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April 12, 2025
War With Iran?

There are a number of discussions about a potentially imminent U.S. war on Iran. Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism concludes that a war is more likely than not. Crooke, Mercouris and Diesen are ambivalent (vid) but also seem to expect a conflict.

President Trump (or, more correct, Netanyahoo behind him) has made demands towards Iran that are designed to be rejected:

  • End all nuclear programs
  • Destroy medium range missiles which can reach Israel
  • Stop support for all 'resistance' movements in the Middle East

Iran will of course reject those demands.

It is willing to put its nuclear program back into the parameters of the JCPOA nuclear agreement, which Trump previously discarded, IF sanctions against it are lifted. It is also willing to do lucrative business with the U.S. But that is about it.

The U.S. is trying to impress Iran with military arrangements. Several B-2 bombers were sent to Diego-Garcia, two airforce carriers are in the Middle East, Israel has been supplied with more THAAD and Patriot air defense missiles.

I find that to be a mere show of force mostly for the audience in the U.S. It is not enough for a sufficiently strong attack that aims to defeat Iran. Iran's abilities to retaliate require a much larger force for the opening campaign and many more forces to handle all the calamities which would inevitably follow.

Trump's envoy Steve Witkoff was in Oman today for talks with Iran's Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi. The first reactions are positive but there are no words (yet) of any results:

"Talks were held in a constructive atmosphere, based on mutual respect," and the delegations exchanged the views of their respective governments about "Iran's nuclear program and sanctions relief with the mediation of Oman FM," says the MFA statement.

The talks will continue next week.

It is hard to assess what Trump might do. If he does not give a f*** he will attack Iran no matter what. If he still cares for his legacy he will avoid a war that would let energy prices explode and pull the U.S. into another large war without end which it can not possibly win.

My current line of (wishful?) thinking is similar to Larry Johnson's:

My hope is that Trump is smarting from the beating he has taken over the tariff fiasco and that he is eager to score a diplomatic win. If my assumption is correct, Trump will embrace JCPOA 2 as his creation and proclaim himself as the one who stopped Iran from building a nuke.

Then again, as Alastair Crooke reminds us, the current volatile international situation may make random events more relevant than politicies in creating the outcome. Simple moves, from potentially many sides, (an Israeli attack on Iran?) could easily have snowball effects.

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Me again as forgot to put a link to ‘which path to persia’, sorry typing with two fingers as my cat is sleeping on my arms- no edit….:)
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/06_iran_strategy.pdf
2009, brookings

Posted by: stranger | Apr 13 2025 21:09 utc | 201

would be good if posters stopped engaging the zionist shill…
Posted by: james | Apr 12 2025 17:05 utc | 49
That observation is not only beneath you, but short-sighted.

Posted by: Ering46z | Apr 14 2025 3:56 utc | 202

Has the B-2 ever been deployed against a country with a high altitude air-defense capability? As a flying-wing type aircraft, lacking a vertical stabiliser fin, its ability to perform rapid evasive manouvres would be severely limited.
Iran has several types of radar:
1. Passive Radar which doesn’t emit signals and is thus undetectable.
2. Active conventional radar.
3. A form of radar of the type installed at major airports worldwide which detects atmospheric disturbances, primarily Microbursts, which are high speed downdrafts of cold air and are visually undetectable.
Microbursts can cause aircraft to lose 50 feet of altitude and/or cause one wing to drop, just before touch-down.
If the Iranians can spook a B-2 pilot into attempting a sharp evasive manouvre there’s a better than even chance that it will flutter to earth, arse over tit, like an autumn leaf…
It’s “unusual” for Yankees to attack anything which can shoot back. Desperation? Or Delusion?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 14 2025 4:47 utc | 203

Has the B-2 ever been deployed against a country with a high altitude air-defense capability? As a flying-wing type aircraft, lacking a vertical stabiliser fin, its ability to perform rapid evasive manouvres would be severely limited.
Iran has several types of radar:
1. Passive Radar which doesn’t emit signals and is thus undetectable.
2. Active conventional radar.
3. A form of radar of the type installed at major airports worldwide which detects atmospheric disturbances, primarily Microbursts, which are high speed downdrafts of cold air and are visually undetectable.
Microbursts can cause aircraft to lose 50 feet of altitude and/or cause one wing to drop, just before touch-down.
If the Iranians can spook a B-2 pilot into attempting a sharp evasive manouvre there’s a better than even chance that it will flutter to earth, arse over tit, like an autumn leaf…
It’s “unusual” for Yankees to attack anything which can shoot back. Desperation? Or Delusion?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 14 2025 4:47 utc | 204

Apologies for double post. I used the wrong finger and probably double clicked.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 14 2025 4:53 utc | 205

It’s hilarious that Bibi has ordered his Yankee jew$lave, DJT, to pursue “Israel’s” Iran wet dream with indecent haste.
Why the rush, Boofhead(s)?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 14 2025 5:18 utc | 206

Alastair Crooke:
– The US has chosen a date on which negociations are going to start with Iran and Netanyahu was shocked:
– The Trump administration / coalition is divided over Ukraine.
– Israel seems to be on a collision course with Turkey. Turkey wants to establish airbases in (northern) Syria. And that’s something Israel doesn’t want.
– An attack on iran would help Netanyahu to make his position stronger. Netanyahu needs a distraction from his domestic and “international” problems.
– Crooke has more interesting details of the intricate situation. VERY VERY interesting details.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FmrMp0-W98
About the Trade Sanctions and the US bond markets:
– The US is using the “Reserve Currency” in its economy and that means the US has an “Exorbitant Privilege” when it comes to issueing (new) debt. But this “Exorbitant Privilege” is NOT UNLIMITED. This “Privilege” is limited to the size of the Current Account Deficit (CAD). With all the (new) tariffs that CAD will shrink and with that the “Privilege” will shrink as well.

Posted by: WMG | Apr 14 2025 14:59 utc | 207

The whole reason Iran is on the warpath – Google “Iran al mahdi”

Posted by: Stanny1 | Apr 14 2025 15:28 utc | 208

War with Iran means all oil transit ceases through the strait of Hormuz. Probably destruction of KSA infrastructure so nothing leaving through the Red sea. Iran, Iraq, and KSA oil taken off line. Russia and Libya will make bank.
Iran has a wide variety of tools to keep the strait closed. I suppose nuclear weapons might open it up again vaporizing a path through strategically sunk container ships. Nuclear weapons would also be required to remove any threat on the shores of the strait. Evey shori range ballistic missile in Irans arsenal would have to be neutralized.
Would Iran really do that? I dont know. I would. Thats why I would be a extremely unfortunate choice as a world leader.
This would have impact more than any previous war by far. The world would change. Whether attack on Iran happens is determined by whether that change is desired. It has nothing to do with the concept refereed to as “winning” or any of the other ideas about why a attack would occur. If a attack on Iran occurs its for one reason cessation of energy transit is desired..

Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 15 2025 19:39 utc | 209

The talks have been moved back to Rome. Wherever they end up scheduled, Iran should show up in Oman.
You can’t trust the Great Satan long enough to blink.
Middle East Spectator – MES
Middle East Spectator – MES
—❗️🇺🇸/🇮🇷/🇴🇲 NEW: Due to the presence of American Vice President J.D. Vance in Rome at the same time as the second round of negotiations was supposed to take place, Iran has decided to move the venue back to Oman Therefore, the second round of indirect talks…
—❗️🇺🇸/🇮🇷 NEW: Barak Ravid, a journalist for Axios, now reports that the location of Saturday’s Iran-US talks has been moved back to Rome, after it was changed to Muscat
@Middle_East_Spectator
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Apr 16 at 08:59

Posted by: Mary | Apr 16 2025 15:27 utc | 210

Hoarsewhisper @ 203
Below is a link to Russian long range Radar system in Iran. Capable of easily detecting a B2 or F 35.
It also shows Russia’s commitment to Iran’s defense, and how Iran’s advanced air defense turned back Israels attack last October.
An attack on Iran will be no Sunday stroll through the park.
https://warriormaven.com/global-security/russia-brings-anti-stealth-radar-to-iran

Posted by: golddigger | Apr 16 2025 20:15 utc | 211

Posted by: Mary | Apr 16 2025 15:27 utc | 210
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The Persians are famous for their negotiation skills.
Trump’s negotiations with Iran didn’t start on the right foot.
First, the Iranians avoided America-friendly Doha (the Prime Minister of Qatar is a close personal friend of Witkoff) and held the first talks in Oman, and they were indirect when the Americans pushed hard for direct negotiations.
I don’t know what to make of this new contest of jurisdiction, but I cannot imagine that it will benefit the Yankees.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 16 2025 20:57 utc | 212

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202504/1332239.shtml?id=12
“China, Egypt to hold first air force joint drill, eye cooperation boost”
By Liu Xuanzun and Liang Rui
Published: Apr 16, 2025 09:52 PM
Excerpt Only:
“The Chinese and Egyptian militaries will soon hold their first joint drill in a move to boost cooperation, the Chinese Defense Ministry announced on Wednesday. With the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force sending forces to Egypt, a Chinese expert said the exercise could pave the way for potential aviation equipment cooperation.
According to an agreement reached between the Chinese and Egyptian militaries, the PLA Air Force will send forces to Egypt to participate in a joint air force training exercise codenamed “Eagles of Civilization 2025” from mid-April to early May, China’s Ministry of National Defense announced in a statement on Wednesday.
This marks the first joint training between the two countries’ militaries, and holds significant importance for promoting pragmatic cooperation as well as boosting friendship and mutual trust between them, the Chinese Defense Ministry said.“
..tick tock…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 17 2025 9:27 utc | 213