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April 12, 2025
War With Iran?

There are a number of discussions about a potentially imminent U.S. war on Iran. Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism concludes that a war is more likely than not. Crooke, Mercouris and Diesen are ambivalent (vid) but also seem to expect a conflict.

President Trump (or, more correct, Netanyahoo behind him) has made demands towards Iran that are designed to be rejected:

  • End all nuclear programs
  • Destroy medium range missiles which can reach Israel
  • Stop support for all 'resistance' movements in the Middle East

Iran will of course reject those demands.

It is willing to put its nuclear program back into the parameters of the JCPOA nuclear agreement, which Trump previously discarded, IF sanctions against it are lifted. It is also willing to do lucrative business with the U.S. But that is about it.

The U.S. is trying to impress Iran with military arrangements. Several B-2 bombers were sent to Diego-Garcia, two airforce carriers are in the Middle East, Israel has been supplied with more THAAD and Patriot air defense missiles.

I find that to be a mere show of force mostly for the audience in the U.S. It is not enough for a sufficiently strong attack that aims to defeat Iran. Iran's abilities to retaliate require a much larger force for the opening campaign and many more forces to handle all the calamities which would inevitably follow.

Trump's envoy Steve Witkoff was in Oman today for talks with Iran's Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi. The first reactions are positive but there are no words (yet) of any results:

"Talks were held in a constructive atmosphere, based on mutual respect," and the delegations exchanged the views of their respective governments about "Iran's nuclear program and sanctions relief with the mediation of Oman FM," says the MFA statement.

The talks will continue next week.

It is hard to assess what Trump might do. If he does not give a f*** he will attack Iran no matter what. If he still cares for his legacy he will avoid a war that would let energy prices explode and pull the U.S. into another large war without end which it can not possibly win.

My current line of (wishful?) thinking is similar to Larry Johnson's:

My hope is that Trump is smarting from the beating he has taken over the tariff fiasco and that he is eager to score a diplomatic win. If my assumption is correct, Trump will embrace JCPOA 2 as his creation and proclaim himself as the one who stopped Iran from building a nuke.

Then again, as Alastair Crooke reminds us, the current volatile international situation may make random events more relevant than politicies in creating the outcome. Simple moves, from potentially many sides, (an Israeli attack on Iran?) could easily have snowball effects.

Comments

Trump has a real issue with Obama’s Presidency that transcends reason,
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 12 2025 19:10 utc | 97

trump is a racist. He just removed Obama’s picture from the gallery of the former presidents to replace it with his own. Racist and narcissic.

Posted by: Naive | Apr 12 2025 19:18 utc | 101

@Naive | Apr 12 2025 15:36 utc | 7
Concerning Khomeini’s fatwa on nuclear energy
He did live up to it in early 1979 but remeber what had just transpired:
Hollywood premiere of China Syndrow followed after two weeks by the Harrisburg ‘accident’. Just like that.
At the time people who knew details claimed that it was an act of sabotage. And that wasnt a farfetched idea. The US authorities who were responsible were known at that time to have a negative view of that energy source even though it sounds odd.
The empire with its petrodollar didnt want a vast expansion of nuclear power used to industrialise the previously poor countries.
Worse: The Europeans in a deal with the USSR Japan and OPEC had serious plans to fund an ambitious development plan for the less developed nations and tying it to a new petrocurrency or like they say a financial instrument.
Nuclear power was something the empire wanted for themselves but they didnt want it to spread.
I dont know but I would suspect that the issue mattered a lot to Israel. And Khomeini was actually brought to power and the Shah was ousted with significant help from the UK/US.
All the things mentioned here makes the fatwa convenient but perhaps not necessary since Khomeini surely was aware of being dependent on the acceptance of the empire.
It is strange how little this background is mentioned.
The CIA gladly published info about the regime change operation in 1953 but totally avoid the case 25 years later.
I dont quite get how historians are able to get along when so much of their subject matter is untouchable.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Apr 12 2025 19:21 utc | 102

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 12 2025 18:54 utc | 90
OK. See ya in the open. Forgot to mention your comment on that new “Warrior” flick. I won’t touch that film with a 10 foot pole. Can’t stomach or countenance’militainment’ or ‘copaganda’ Hollywood-Pentagon bullshit. I guess they got to A24 too. And the director, IIRC, is the guy who did “Men”, “Civil War” and “Ex Machina” (the last of which I liked, the other two were too abstract wannabe arty-with-a-message).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 12 2025 19:26 utc | 103

Bad dream: If Iran doesn’t get the Bomb, the US will make sure to give them one, just to have a reason to go all-in.

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 12 2025 19:33 utc | 104

Bad dream: If Iran doesn’t get the Bomb, the US will make sure to give them one.
Posted by: persiflo | Apr 12 2025 19:33 utc | 104
Or two. Or three. Would have been sufficient to leave it at that.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 12 2025 19:36 utc | 105

I think any responsible military leader in Washington would be crazy to launch any kind of significant attack against Iran. I started to outline my reasoning in my weekly newsletter this morning, and hope to write more about the topic on Globalities.org over the coming days…
Of course, there is a BIG question as to whether there is indeed any kind of a “responsible” leader in Washington today.

Posted by: H. Cobban | Apr 12 2025 19:37 utc | 106

TehranTimes
Iran’s air defense matrix: Blending indigenous innovation and geography to forge a fortress

. . .This multi-tiered approach, underpinned by advanced technology and homegrown ingenuity, ensures that every aspect of Iran’s airspace remains robustly protected.
I. The long-range segment of this robust defense system is a testament to domestic ingenuity and a strategic counterbalance in the region.
The Bavar-373, a proudly homegrown counterpart to the Russian S-300, boasts a formidable range of nearly 300 kilometers with an integrated radar system that vigilantly monitors the skies.
In parallel, an upgraded version of the Russian S-300PMU2 further refines this capability by skillfully tracking even stealth aircraft.
Adding to this impressive array is the Arman system, a recent indigenous breakthrough unveiled in 2023 and specifically designed to counter ballistic missile threats, thereby solidifying Iran’s long-range defensive posture. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 12 2025 19:38 utc | 107

@karlof1 | Apr 12 2025 17:52 utc | 70
👍

Posted by: Oui | Apr 12 2025 19:40 utc | 108

I’m surprised people still think Trump gives a flying f*** about anything besides enriching himself further and being on the news for some fake alpha display.
There are no thoughts about legacy or anything else, stop deluding yourselves.

Posted by: Rui | Apr 12 2025 19:43 utc | 109

Hamas retains the ability to resist, albeit with direct support from the Bibi faction.
Hezbollah won the ground war and retains a missile deterrent. They also have drone capabilities to Haifa. – Polli | 30

Excellent.

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 12 2025 19:43 utc | 110

Sereously though, im trying to see the logic in picking a fight with Iran right now.
As follows…
It would tempt Russia to ingage in another war front thus weakening Russias SMO front.
Exposing Russias SMO and homeland to a concerted push by the euroupean coaliltion of the willing.
Haveing beem a tree climber all my life and surviving, risk assement comes natural.
Keep two steps ahead and identify the risk.
And thats it here.
Crazy people do crazy things.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 12 2025 19:50 utc | 111

The key unmentioned fact was Witkoff’s meeting with Putin in St. Petersburg yesterday for four hours before Witkoff shuffled off to Oman. No, we don’t know what was said, but if Trump wants a treaty with Russia, he’ll lay off Iran. What news has been issued so far is boiler plate. – @karlof1 | 37

Another very succinct insight. True: Putin has no need to Farbe bekennen with US offerings at negotiation (to use a german card game metaphor for once) – so he doesn’t have to abandon Iran.

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 12 2025 19:58 utc | 112

Maybe now would be a good time for Russia And Iran to issue a very clear joint statment.
And thats an understatment.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 12 2025 20:07 utc | 113

China too.
Lets have some grown ups in the room.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 12 2025 20:09 utc | 114

Look out for hidden hazads also helps with both trees and warfare. Risk assement.
I think we need to keep an eye on Turkey.
Critical as in location and patentialy unstable, with a craveing to regain the ottaman empire.
That guy needs keeping an eye on. He ‘may’ be a liabilty.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 12 2025 20:17 utc | 115

Interesting discussion here. First, on Lebanon, unless you know Lebanese people and/or have followed events in the past half-century or so it is impossible to understand their politics. There are too many moving parts. Suffice it to say there are Western interests, Iranian, and local interests in a grand condominium of confusing cross-currents and alliances.
As for an Israeli/US attack on Iran if it does happen in a big way, i.e. saturation bombing or a nuclear attack it will be the crack that finally leads to the end of the Empire once and for all and, God willing, the neo-Nazi version of Israel we see now. The US is, to be blunt, unable to win wars. We (I’m a USA-an) simply don’t have the military our politicians think we have. The Pentagon is utterly corrupt and ineffective. We can drop a lot of bombs and send a bunch of cruise missiles and other ordinance but the Iranians have gamed that out and whatever the US does will not work as hoped other than kill a lot of civilians. However, what they can do in concert with MI6 and the Mossad is to find and kill Iranian leaders and foment domestic divisions inside Iran–that is a credible threat.
Having said all that is Israel/US ready for an Iranian counter-attack? I say they are not. In a way I hope there is an attack on Iran because I want the Empire and the millstone around its neck called Israel to end since it is and has been destroying whatever moral fiber remains in the West.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Apr 12 2025 20:22 utc | 116

” i.e. look at “Israel”. Its cowardly and incompetent “soldiers” are routinely thrashed by well-trained militias whenever they put boots on the ground.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 12 2025 18:44 utc | 87 ”
Then it must be embarrassing for the resistance that they are in Lebanon, Syria, the West bank and dissecting more of Gaza each day.

Posted by: Salami | Apr 12 2025 20:23 utc | 117

Based on the little we know of the outcome of the first round of direct US-Iran negotiations, a US war against Iran seems to be averted… for now at least.
See my latest article, where I also talk about direct Turkey-Israel talks.

Posted by: Ismaele | Apr 12 2025 20:26 utc | 118

Salami @ 117
That needs to be said.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 12 2025 20:27 utc | 119

LoveDonbass | Apr 12 2025 15:44 utc | 17

Does anyone know if Thorium munitions have similar radioactive outcomes as uranium weapons?

No, it doesn’t. It also produces more power and pollutes less ! But you can’t make nuclear weapons out of it !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 12 2025 20:27 utc | 120

I just hope all our phones an pagers dont suddenly blow up.
Those fuckers dont mess about do they.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 12 2025 20:31 utc | 121

Posted this once before, but got shouted down for it:
Dimona is within Oreshnik range

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 12 2025 20:31 utc | 122

And how long has a war with Iran been telegraphed? Russia and China have long established interests with Iran, especially with regards to energy. So why haven’t Russia and China stepped-up more in the defensive role?

Posted by: horseguards | Apr 12 2025 20:37 utc | 123

America and israel are the aggresor.
Contray to what you have been told.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 12 2025 20:49 utc | 124

I find it highly unlikely there will be a war with Iran.
Lots of talk and sabre rattling, but no war.
The stockarket almost crashed over tarriffs, war with Iran would end it, and everyone knows it.
The best the USA et al can do is color revolution and civil war attempt. And I see that as also hoghly unlikely.
I am sure many Iranian youth hate the theocracy, but at the same time, can see the great Satan and its israeli imp as an even greater evil.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 12 2025 20:49 utc | 125

Iran is doomed and weak. Nobody can help Iran.

Posted by: vargas | Apr 12 2025 20:54 utc | 126

https://x.com/Ih8imperialism/status/1910748476692148387
aor_fan (formerly imperialism hater) @Ih8imperialism
what do you think a deal will look like?
https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1910749076418666847
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
I believe some very tough restrictions on Iran Nuclear program + to abandon some of their allies in the region, in exchange for sanction relief

Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 12 2025 20:58 utc | 127

Obviously it goes without saying that if a conflict does start Russia will have no intention of becoming party to it. However, as NATO have shown us and boasted about increasingly openly of late intelligence sharing, and even directly targeting strikes, doesn’t make you a party to a conflict in their book.
We know Iran has some very accurate missiles, they’ve shown that capability in strikes upon US and Israeli installations. I dread to think what damage they could do with real time region wide intelligence fed to them by the Russian and even Chinese satellite constellations.

Posted by: Spanish Pipedream | Apr 12 2025 21:10 utc | 128

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang@122……you think the 1.2 million Russians squatting in Occupied Palestine don’t get a say in Russian politics….Russia would get it’s hazalnuts cracked trying a stunt like that…..Dimona, funny. Always remember, Russia has as much to gain from Trump Plaza Gaza as any zioyank billionaire…
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 12 2025 21:25 utc | 129

Then it must be embarrassing for the resistance that they are in Lebanon, Syria, the West bank and dissecting more of Gaza each day.
Posted by: Salami | Apr 12 2025 20:23 utc | 117

Embarrassing for the civilians who are fighting using rocks and their bare hands essentially against a modern, well equipped army with an air force? A force of bedwetting use criminals committing a war of extermination?
Given that the militas are fighting to protect their children from being raped and murdered so that a religious supremacists enemy can steal their land and have nowhere to flee to, you think they’d be embarassed?
You ought to be ashamed of yourself but putrid trash like yourself never is, are you? Pray you are never in such a situation where embarassment is the last thing on your mind, you repulsive, supremacist child.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 12 2025 21:31 utc | 130

Every POTUS has his war, and Trumps will be one with Iran – for me its a foregone conclusion.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 12 2025 21:31 utc | 131

@pepe | Sat, 12 Apr 2025 18:53:00 GMT | 88

Neither of the words ‘control’ or ‘manage’ mean to dictate.

Can we have a discussion on what, exactly, control means? I’ve been struggling with that one forever.
To kickstart it, I’ll offer the idea that it’s somehow a counterpole to agency. Both these concepts have no equivalent in the German language.
I’ll be for a walk, and hope for your replies and discussion over on the OT. Thanks!

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 12 2025 21:31 utc | 132

I just hope all our phones an pagers dont suddenly blow up.
Those fuckers dont mess about do they.
Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 12 2025 20:31 utc | 121

Yes, the terrorist attack by Israel and America on Lebanon was ‘not messing around’, in that it indiscriminately attacked a civilian population and was then celebrated in the increasingly immoral and diseased Western media as though it were some kind of military masterstroke a la Sudzha instead of the horrifying war crime….and omen of the future..that it was.
Actual American and Israeli and Western military glories are are shall we say a bit sparse on the ground so they love to make shit up to help them feel tough. Like the recent Times editorial breathless about the UK geniuses behind Ukranian strategy. Because we can all see how successful thst was.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 12 2025 21:38 utc | 133

The US loses all it’s wars Can Iran et al. just occupy and dismember the USA, as with Germany in 1945?

Posted by: lester | Apr 12 2025 21:52 utc | 134

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 12 2025 21:25 utc | 129

1.2 million Russians

[citation needed]

Russia would get it’s hazalnuts cracked

By who, exactly? Please be specific here…

Always remember, Russia has as much to gain from Trump Plaza Gaza as any zioyank billionaire…

Now that’s just your poitín-fuelled vision of the world getting cloudy again…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 12 2025 21:55 utc | 135

No, it doesn’t. It also produces more power and pollutes less ! But you can’t make nuclear weapons out of it !
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 12 2025 20:27 utc | 120
To produce power from thorium you have to breed U233 which is fissile and whose fission releases lots of energy. If you have breeder reactors producing U233 you can divert some of that to produce fission bombs. The USA tested a U233 bomb back in 1955.

Posted by: Paul Cockshott | Apr 12 2025 22:04 utc | 136

Doctor Eleven @ 133
Liked 👍
And all to true.
But take hart their is push back, and it’s showing in surprising places.
I just listened to ‘call johnathan pie’ on bbc radio 4
2nd time i’v recomended listening to this.
How they get away with it is beyound beleaf.
In a posative way.
I desperatly need feedback on this prog.
Its unlike anything on air, amazeing in fact.
Satire humour.
I’m not sure how easy the bbc is to acsess now (recent chainges)
Its acessesable on the net under ‘bbc sounds’
Respect

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 12 2025 22:44 utc | 137

It is existential for the US dollar.
The US is a space, air, and maritime power. This is about the north south corridor of the belt and road initiative. Just like Ukraine was about the European East West corridor into western Europe.
For the US dollar to remain the world’s reserve currency, Western Europe needs to buy more MIC hardware. China needs to be contained. US allies must be forced to choose sides in Asia.
The north south corridor can not be allowed to be established through Iran. It would easily connect a shorter cheaper route between Russia and China and the Middle East.
To defeat it, you would need to shore up India, and destabilize Ukraine and Iran.
As far as Energy only 20% of European energy comes from the middle east. Shutting down the straight of hormuz is a win for the West, especially if they can get Iran to do it for them.
Destabilizing the middle east is also a win as no one will be strong enough to take on Israel and the US.
I think it is hubris and arrogant to think they can contain the chaos but it looks like they will try. I personally think they would be better off living with the world instead of trying to rule over it.
The US just used the Roservelt doctrine to take ownership of the US Mexico border by the US military. Shoring up their southern flank. IMHO The US is preparing for war. Forcing countries to choose sides through the tariffs. The SCO and BRICS have been put into the cross hairs.

Posted by: TundraTide | Apr 12 2025 22:47 utc | 138

– Alastair Crooke is quite clear. Israel WANTS an attack on Iran as an distraction from its domestic problems (growing instability). Israel has sent a large delegation to Washington DC. I still think the US & Israel will attack Iran. Crook thinks that the targets will be the political & religious leaders in Iran.
– Witkoff has been described a an devoted Zionist. It could stand in the way of an agreement with Iran.

Posted by: WMG | Apr 12 2025 23:08 utc | 139

” You ought to be ashamed of yourself but putrid trash like yourself never is, are you? Pray you are never in such a situation where embarrassment is the last thing on your mind, you repulsive, supremacist child.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 12 2025 21:31 utc | 130 ”
Spare me the feigned indignation. Civilians with rocks and sticks?
Hamas was a formidable fighting force, Hezbollah was a very formidable fighting force, even the various Jihadis in Syria are competent enough to wage a guerilla war on the so-called cowards, yet here we are.

Posted by: Salami | Apr 12 2025 23:21 utc | 140

Israelis have a very carefully “cultivated” history that bears no relationship to verifiable factual data.
Posted by: S Brennan | Apr 12 2025 17:52 utc | 71
Yeah. It is similar to the MO employed by (the phony) state of “Ukraine” to manufacture a history to justify the Bandera-Nazi agenda.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Apr 12 2025 23:45 utc | 141

Spare me the feigned indignation. Civilians with rocks and sticks?
Posted by: Salami | Apr 12 2025 23:21 utc | 140
David vs Goliath

Posted by: Original Newbie | Apr 12 2025 23:48 utc | 142

” David vs Goliath
Posted by: Original Newbie | Apr 12 2025 23:48 utc | 142 ”
” Hamas was a formidable fighting force, Hezbollah was a very formidable fighting force, even the various Jihadis in Syria are competent enough to wage a guerilla war”

Posted by: Salami | Apr 12 2025 23:57 utc | 143

@lovedonbass
Do you never grow tired of the sound of your own voice?
I sure do.
You’ve been around the bar forever, that certainly gives you the right to dominate the conversation.
Give it a rest you fuck.

Posted by: David F | Apr 13 2025 0:08 utc | 144

Posted by: Naive | Apr 12 2025 19:18 utc | 101
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 12 2025 19:10 utc | 97
Fucking idiots. Try reading before you spew your bullshit.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/white-house-moves-obama-portrait-painting-trump-assassination-attempt-rcna200965

Posted by: JK_in_Glendale | Apr 13 2025 0:09 utc | 145

Posted by: David F | Apr 13 2025 0:08 utc | 144
###########
Who are you?
All of these new names that I’ve never seen before who want to join my fan club. 😂😂😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 0:27 utc | 146

Israel would be gone if they or the US started an Iran war. It does not make sense for Israel to be pushing it. Messing with free transit of the Strait, not smart. Though it would be big money for oil producers who ship other routes.
I think a ‘deal’ will be made to make nice with Iran, maybe with Putin sweetening the pot by rushing the SMO wrap-up (only if he gets his terms).
I think China is the big goal now, but I don’t get why, as we are cooperative there on the business level. My big fear is if we (US) bomb Taiwan, sovereign territory, the US may get reciprocal bombing. That would be new.

Posted by: freedom fritos | Apr 13 2025 0:45 utc | 147

I’m somebody who has been reading this blog for about 15 years, and I’m tired of fucks like yourself contributing 10-25% of the comments on any given thread, offering very little to the conversation.
I would posit that you, and people like your dumb fuck self, are why this forum is not nearly as worthwhile as it was a decade ago.
It used to be insightful, enlightening, and generally enjoyable.
Then, fucks like yourself came along, and now all it is is non-stop postings of your opinion.
Get a fucking life and spare us from constantly having to hear what is occuring in that pea brain that you call “your most magnificent mind”.

Posted by: David F | Apr 13 2025 0:54 utc | 148

Posted by: David F | Apr 13 2025 0:54 utc | 148
Talking to yourself? 10-15 years ago the blog was much different because there wasn’t an SMO going on. Nor was “Trump” so dominant in the posts. So many posts now have the proper noun “Trump” in it. That wasn’t the case 10-15 years ago. I wasn’t reading MoA then, but I bet it was rare to see a post with the word “Trump” in it.

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 13 2025 1:03 utc | 149

@ 148 David F
“…are why this forum is not nearly as worthwhile as it was a decade ago.”
It is that a decade ago people still thought they had some kind of a say on anything.

Posted by: Ornot | Apr 13 2025 1:15 utc | 150

Posted by: TundraTide | Apr 12 2025 22:47 utc | 138
“It is existential for the US dollar.”
I think that is the key point, important to keep in mind. US dollar hegemony needs to have debt growth to survive. That also helps to explain the non-stop need for immigration into dollar-clown world. It needs more and more assets to be monetized for usury and rent-taking. And that is exactly what makes it also existential for Russia and China and Iran. I see so way out of a big war. Too much at stake on all sides.

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 13 2025 1:15 utc | 151

In a way I hope there is an attack on Iran because I want the Empire and the millstone around its neck called Israel to end since it is and has been destroying whatever moral fiber remains in the West.
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Apr 12 2025 20:22 utc | 116
Chris, have you purchased your ticket to Tehran, to have a first-person view of the attack?
You know that saying ‘asking for a friend?’ Well, I’m asking for a my family.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 13 2025 1:19 utc | 152

david f makes a valid point.. i agree with him..

Posted by: james | Apr 13 2025 1:19 utc | 153

” david f makes a valid point.. i agree with him..
Posted by: james | Apr 13 2025 1:19 utc | 153 ”
LoveDonbass practically lives here and thinks its his own personal fiefdom. Its all so stale and tiring.

Posted by: Salami | Apr 13 2025 1:40 utc | 154

“david f makes a valid point.. i agree with him..”
Posted by: james | Apr 13 2025 1:19 utc | 153
Too many eff-bombs in it. The point gets lost when the rage is expressed like that. People used to say “spittle-flecked”.

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 13 2025 1:44 utc | 155

” You know that saying ‘asking for a friend?’ Well, I’m asking for a my family.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 13 2025 1:19 utc | 152 ”
You have a point but so does he. If Iran makes some sort of deal with the devil again it will just be weakened and softened for some type of future attack. Serbia learned that the hard way, so did Iraq and Libya. North Korea showed everyone the way, its up to them to learn it.

Posted by: Salami | Apr 13 2025 1:45 utc | 156

@Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 13 2025 1:19 utc
I wish you, your family, and Iran well, Sakineh.
We U.S. Americans are currently at the mercy of some crazy, power-drunk people. But China, Russia, India and Iran seem to be doing a good job of talking us down off the ledge, and I hope, really do hope, we all get down safely.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Apr 13 2025 1:51 utc | 157

For the people who complain that MoA “isn’t as good as it used to be”, I would suggest that you wall yourselves off on a private site with paid access that isn’t publicly available on the internet. Otherwise, you will probably have to deal with people who disagree with you more often than you would like. Like it or not, this talkboard has had a substantial impact in the alt-media world especially starting with the beginning of the SMO in 2022. People on other forums link to MoA pretty regularly. And that brings in people who read and sometimes post.

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 13 2025 1:54 utc | 158

Posted by: David F | Apr 13 2025 0:54 utc | 148
who sayeth “Then, fucks like yourself came along, and now all it is is non-stop postings of your opinion.”
As opposed to fucks like you?
Your F-bombs betray you. There’s nobody on this forum who posts the way you just did who has had any exposure or allegiance to it.

Posted by: Saul Goode | Apr 13 2025 1:58 utc | 159

” Otherwise, you will probably have to deal with people who disagree with you more often than you would like.
Posted by: Spectator | Apr 13 2025 1:54 utc | 158 ”
Have you not seen how LoveDonbass and a few others treat people with differing opinions? Its constant accusations of trolls, disinfo agents, and Zionist plants. Not to mention personal attacks.

Posted by: Salami | Apr 13 2025 1:59 utc | 160

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Apr 13 2025 1:51 utc | 157
Thanks for the well wishes Tom. I hope what you say comes to pass.
This is not a computer game. It is actual humans. The entity has made people numb to the killings. The official number of 50,000 (unofficial perhaps 400,000) was just released, and nobody bat an eye. Soon, the killing 15 million in Tehran, will be, just statistics.
Kill a man, you are a murderer. Kill a million, well, that’s just statistics.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 13 2025 2:04 utc | 161

Iran’s only protection is nukes. North Korea avoids war thanks only to its nuclear weapons. Syria was attacked after it gave up its chemical weapons program and after Israel attacked and destroyed its nuclear program. Libya was attacked after it gave up its chemical weapons program. Iraq was invaded after it gave up its WMD capabilities.
These events should teach Iran to deploy nukes to preempt war. The moment it’s clear that Iran does not have nuclear and chemical weapons, it will be war.
If USA and Israel attack Iranian nuclear sites (a war crime as these can’t be attacked), Iran should replace warheads of its long range missiles with radioactive waste created by US and Israel attacks and launch them into Israel. Even if its air defense systems intercept them radioactive waste would have scattered across it. Not knowing where, people will leave en masse. Israel is a small nation and its habitable zone is even smaller. Thereafter it will be a cakewalk for Iran or Turkey (yes, Turkey is positioning itself to attack Israel) to takeover Israel though they must suffer the effects of radiation.

Posted by: Jason | Apr 13 2025 2:12 utc | 162

“Have you not seen how LoveDonbass and a few others treat people with differing opinions? Its constant accusations of trolls, disinfo agents, and Zionist plants. Not to mention personal attacks.”
Posted by: Salami | Apr 13 2025 1:59 utc | 160
I’ve seen much worse here. Yes, LB posts a lot. Never drops any spittle-flecked f-bomb posts, though. Posts a lot of what I would consider to be passive-aggressive posts with a spiritually superior flair.

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 13 2025 2:29 utc | 163

Posted by: S Brennan | Apr 12 2025 18:36 utc | 84
part of conquering has always included gathering the opponents of the conquered regime into your own army, often including remnants of the conquered army.
There are always two sides to every story. Colonialism also used the inevitable truth that any power structure has built itself by supressing others, and the supressed welcomed the colonizers.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 13 2025 2:34 utc | 164

People should look forward more and look less to the past. What is “colonialism” nowdays? It is just signing up people for financial debts. IMF and whatnot. Imperialism now isn’t about planting a flag. It is just making sure that the targeted population is reliant on the debt-credit structure.
This is why I think the people who say “US has not won a war since WWII” are looking in the wrong direction. Some people have old-fashioned ideas about what it means to “win wars”

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 13 2025 3:23 utc | 165

The Zionists are trapped.
For any or all of that to happen in sync [looks good in paper and yes it’s been part of the plan since day one] the Zionists need to declare a full-on war on RUF-PRC-IRI.
Do you genuinely think that the Zionists stand any chance of succeeding against the RUF-PRC-IRI?
All bets are off.

Posted by: pepe | Apr 13 2025 3:37 utc | 166

Posted by: pepe | Apr 13 2025 3:37 utc | 166 in reference to Posted by: TundraTide | Apr 12 2025 22:47 utc | 138
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The copy and paste did not work. My bad.

Posted by: pepe | Apr 13 2025 3:41 utc | 167

@ Spectator | Apr 13 2025 1:44 utc | 155
true.. i would prefer no swear words were used, but i get the rage and reason they do occasionally get used..

Posted by: james | Apr 13 2025 4:24 utc | 168

If it’s true that Russia & China have adopted the role of Iran’s “Someone To Watch Over Me” then there will not be a military assault on Iran by The West’s Jew$lave$.
The last thing the Neocons and the Parasite Statelet need is a headline announcing “Russia and China warn US against bombing Iran”.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 13 2025 4:43 utc | 169

Posted by: james | Apr 13 2025 4:24 utc | 168
I don’t mind swear words because they can be effective when used right. That post in question was too much. Oh well no biggie, free speech. I get the frustration about LB. That poster needles people (not individually though) based on racial and religious identities, and often creates additional animosities on threads where there are already plenty of other animosities. But I still read almost every LB post because he often also shares some very good insights and does so succinctly and with some panache. For some reason I always think of LoveDonbass as a she, not a he. I hope I don’t get prosecuted for incorrect pronouns.

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 13 2025 5:45 utc | 170

I’m commenting too much. Getting sucked in. Must stop.
Anyway, thought for today: if Russia supplied Iran with Oreshnik? No proliferation treaty issues, as its not nuclear, but it would rather concentrate the thinking on the other side, would it not? I have always assumed that Iran doesn’t need nuclear weapons, because Israel has Dimona. Israel isn’t big enough to be habitable after their NPP is scattered to the four corners (although it would probably be fine to insist the Palestinians remain there.)
Talking about US motivation for attacking Iran, I came across an explanation for the tarrif chaos that seems to make sense: https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2025/04/05/economic-chemotherapy/

Step 1: Tariff chaos. In this step the administration shows that it means business. It no longer cares about the stock market crashing. It no longer cares about the economy temporarily doing poorly. It just applies a lot of high Tariffs to foes and friends alike to create negotiating leverage…
“Step 2: reciprocal tariffs… This is the long term goal of the tariffs. Or in Bessent’s words: ‘tariffs are designed to address – leveling the playing field such that the international trading system begins to reward ingenuity, security, rule of law, and stability, not wage suppression, currency manipulation, intellectual property theft, non-tariff barriers and draconian regulations…’
“Step 3: a Mar-a-Lago accord… Yes, a Mar-a-Lago accord that will go into the history books to rival the 1944 Bretton Woods agreement, or 1985 Plaza accord in which Japan, the US and European countries came together to collectively raise the values of the Yen, and European currencies versus the Dollar.”

The above article is a bit thin on evidence, but takes the hypothesis from a video posted by (Dutch economist?) Money and Macro. I dont normally do videos (no time – text is faster) but this made a lot of sense to my small brain. There will be three groups of nations: vassels/satraps, who will pay for the exorbitant privilege of being the USA’s bitches, “neutral”, also known as irrelevant, and enemies. What could possibly go wrong?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1ts5wJ6OfzA
There is also a very good video explaining why the EU wants to re-arm, purely to boost the eu-wide economy.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eTS16oLluyo

Posted by: Occasional poster | Apr 13 2025 6:34 utc | 171

I’m commenting too much. Getting sucked in. Must stop.
Posted by: Occasional poster | Apr 13 2025 6:34 utc | 171

That is too funny. Thanks for the laugh, OP.
Its amazing how many people use a mouse without scroll wheel, leaving them having to read comments by posters who’s opinion they don’t share and thus deem trolls or who are commenting too much for their liking.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Apr 13 2025 7:10 utc | 172

Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update: May be useful to some: https://youtu.be/7h7dAYDfjYA?t=2875

Posted by: The Busker | Apr 13 2025 7:18 utc | 173

All Teheran needs to do is figure out some delaying tactic that prevents an attack for 2 years, until 2027. By then, Washington will face an insolvency crisis.
No money
No war

Posted by: Exile | Apr 13 2025 8:32 utc | 174

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 13 2025 4:43 utc | 169

The last thing the Neocons and the Parasite Statelet need is a headline announcing “Russia and China warn US against bombing Iran”.

I’ve often wondered why we don’t hear them say it. Russia and China have so much to gain by preventing the bombing of Iran why don’t they just come out with it, something like Touch Iran and you’re in deep shite but in a diplomatic way.
The answer surely must be that they do say it, not just by their posturing and messaging but also directly on every level they can, behind the scenes.
Why behind the scenes? Because publicly is absolutely a provocation and provocation of Trump in particular is problematic at his personal level but more importantly would provide Trump’s opponents with the perfect stick to beat him with: “America can’t be threatened, we bow to nobody.” and Trump would end up having to get tough on Russia to try save himself just as in his first term

Posted by: Saul Goode | Apr 13 2025 9:04 utc | 175

Iran has been shown to possess Uranium enriched to 60 percent of U235. Of what use, if not military, could such enrichment be? It can be quickly upgraded to 90 percent, which would be weapons grade Uranium.
On Friday’s Cross Talk, Scott Ritter et al. have beautifully outlined that Iran is by now a nuclear threshold state, meaning one that has mastered the hard part (which is enrichment) and is only days away from building a nuclear bomb. Their guess is that Iran has accumulated enough material for 3 to 5 bombs.
With the former agreement, Obama’s JCPOA, Iran wouldn’t have been able to reach the nuclear threshold stage. The agreement was taylored to keeping them at least one year away from the finishing steps. Iran was in compliance with the JCPOA until Trump unilaterally stepped out of it during his first term in office, leaving the sanctions in place. Iran followed suit. So it’s because of Trump that they are now standing where they stand.

Posted by: grunzt | Apr 13 2025 9:41 utc | 176

Posted by: Saul Goode | Apr 13 2025 9:04 utc | 175
part of it may be negotiations. For isnstance, Iran held up some kind of rail deal with Russia because they did not like Russia’s price.
I mean, offering the blood of your people for nothing o return is a bit foolish.
And i knowany of you are aghast at what Trump says and does, but hes right about a lot of things
Its not just usa hostile to russia, euros, esp Brits, are too, and they do so with the arms of the usa.
city walls served two purposes, protection and tax collection. USA provides coty walls for wurope, but Europe collects the taxes.
likewise, it is not wose just to offer a defense pact with everybody and everything, without some kind of quid pro quo.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 13 2025 10:01 utc | 177

Iran has been shown to possess Uranium enriched to 60 percent of U235. Of what use, if not military, could such enrichment be? It can be quickly upgraded to 90 percent, which would be weapons grade Uranium.
Posted by: grunzt | Apr 13 2025 9:41 utc | 176
Good point.

However the very fact that Iran has chosen to be transparent about the 60% enrichment level indicates that they are trying to push for a peaceful resolution:

– Having become a nuclear threshold state, if they wanted to achieve nuclear weapons state status they could have done so. They even have the delivery mechanisms now (proven against israel and through satellite launch).
– Publicising their 60% threshold is a defensive manoeuvre meant to deter an attack against Iran. That was clearly the intent.
The Iranians were always clear that uranium was being enriched as a punitive action for the failure of the U.S to comply with the JCPOA.
In the end it doesn’t matter what kind of message they want to send: The Zionist Empire seeks their destruction under all conditions. Even complete submission to the will of the Americans will be followed up with the now standard obliteration of their civilisation for ever daring to oppose their Western Colonial masters.

In the end, Uranium Enrichment is a hedge meant to work as a negotiating tool, a potential deterrent and, in last resort, as an actual weapon.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 13 2025 10:54 utc | 178

I’ll see if I can throw together a sermon based on opinions expressed in this thread and my daily spleen at seeing real dead and mutilated babies , the slaughter of innocents and now their starvation as any who revolt against that is subjected to lawfare and censorship here in the Collective West.
Look 👀 every fucking US president since at least Star Wars Raygun has donned a crown of the self declared kings of the world and kissed the wall their shapeshifter masters have laid claim to since the defeat of WW2 – kissed it as if there is special arse hole built into it. Sticking their tongue in, making a meal of it, saying ‘yummy’ – making sure enough close up photos exist of their … worship!
As the shapeshifters with their centuries long plans in ruins – again – have no REVERSE GEAR. They only exist to achieve that Great Total Domination of the whole of humanity all the Earths resources and consumptions.
The ancient human civilsations that have give humanity almost everything that makes being human a pleasure – the foods, the cultures the spiritual beliefs – have always been preyed upon by ‘outlaws’ that lived beyond civilsation.
(The only thing there is to show for it – THIS language, will be the only thing to last. )
Subjected to their slavery and piracy, who grew powerful through their seafaring and transportation of hundreds of millions.
They decide future narratives; what should you believe; how many should be alive; what you should eat,drink and be entertained by; what technology you should have and when; and most of all what freedom you are allowed if any.
After a Millenia of their gathering strength through Shapeshifting.
New religions (Judaeo Christianity),
New Nations ( Westphalian),
Empire building by Sea (every single Anglo European colonialism),
Industrialisation of slavery, war and deadly science.
The belief in fake wealth and value of Money, Debt, and delusional investments!
The worst of all is the brainwashing of their own slaves and settlers into fake belief in the nonsense of ‘human race/s’ through the cultural hegemonic Orwellian mind control.
The USA – and Wasrael and several other such creations have of the shapeshifters pecil lines on maps – not even 300 years old , IS A FAKE a fake shapeshifter created ‘nation.’
Sorry if that bothers any or many who buy into the ‘mahcunterry‘ bs .
You ain’t ‘special’.
Please don’t cry like a spoilt child.
The USAins are NOT a ‘race’ or ethnically different as they self deludedly are told to believe.
They are not superiors to any other ethnicities or nations or actual human civilsations of history.
Equally goes for the shapeshifters last century’s post war narrative establishing the illegal apartheid entity.
Which too is peopled by the same delusions as the USAins, The 5 Eyed and the satraps the shapeshifters Collective West.
Wasrael won’t even make it’s first century birthday as its shapeshifter masters delusional dream of fulfilling the Millenia long goal of taking over ancient Persia and EurAsia as they did the subcontinent!
Thank whatever God you want to believe in for that.
The demise of the misanthropic Millenia of Shapeshifting New World Order – which has metastasised for the last two centuries as rabid ziofascism.
Under various guises of judaeo Christianity- except the ones that escaped- the Orthodox eastern, the coptics and other ancient sects; now shape shifted to anti Christianity and pro TransHumanism! A breakdown of commonality of Being Human!
The majority of that common humanity has had more than enough of the centuries of terror, barbarism, enslavement and global robbery by Few and their deluded imperialist colonialist settlers forced to leave their own homelands!
The Barons refuse to accept their ‘history and mythology’ is DONE!
It’s come down to the Ancients of Civilisation to strike down the unruly, destructive wild child’s that they never believed would become savages or Nate as of Civilised cohabitee Humans of the World.
Threatening to burn down the whole world if they don’t get what they want!
Fuck that for a game – the message is clear :
‘Don’t Lay One More Finger on any of the Multipolar Humanity.’
The real ancient civilsations have come together and are ready to lay waste to the shapeshifters; Monster and Creator.
Whatever the cost – surviving future humanity will not be spared their rise again.
Have a nice Sunday . Amen.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 13 2025 11:10 utc | 179

‘Will be spared their rise again’

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 13 2025 11:17 utc | 180

My comment to LB didn’t have anything to do with the content of his opinion, I agree with a lot of what he says. Doesn’t mean I want to hear him say it 20 times on every thread.
My beef is with the volume of his contributions. No single person should be posting so much that every third comment is from them.
In my experience if I have to scroll by 25% of the post in a thread because I consider them to be noise, then the thread becomes not worth reading.

Posted by: David F | Apr 13 2025 12:23 utc | 181

Is this video of Israeli Children being taught genocide of sub-humans is a scared goal for real or some fake news ?
blockquote>Israeli children are taught to kill Arabs and ethnically cleanse them from their land from as young as age 8.
https://x.com/xIsraelExposedx/status/1896505754041159717

Posted by: Exile | Apr 13 2025 12:26 utc | 182

Logic got nothing to do with it.
Bibi needs continuous war to stay out of prison.
The elites, AngloSaxon or Israeli, care little about body count.

Posted by: necromancer | Apr 13 2025 12:42 utc | 183

Diego Garcia: platform for a U.S. attack on Iran
Some may be wondering what Diego Garcia is, and why it’s in the news these days. It’s a platform in the middle of the Indian Ocean that provides a staging ground for U.S. bombers to attack Iran.
There are currently 6 B2 bombers on Diego Garcia. The U.S. has 18 such bombers, so that’s 1/3 of the U.S.’ B2 fleet currently in service.
B2s can carry very heavy ordinance, like bunker-busting bombs, as well as nuke bombs.
Walt King, who many of you will recognize as a MoA poster from years back, has written an excellent history of Diego Garcia. It covers all the bases, with lots of pictures.
Here’s a link to his timely and thorough article.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Apr 13 2025 12:54 utc | 184

Just up today. Topical!
Thanks Tom!

Posted by: Walt | Apr 13 2025 13:30 utc | 185

Good point.
However the very fact that Iran has chosen to be transparent about the 60% enrichment level indicates that they are trying to push for a peaceful resolution:
– Having become a nuclear threshold state, if they wanted to achieve nuclear weapons state status they could have done so. They even have the delivery mechanisms now (proven against israel and through satellite launch).
– Publicising their 60% threshold is a defensive manoeuvre meant to deter an attack against Iran. That was clearly the intent.
The Iranians were always clear that uranium was being enriched as a punitive action for the failure of the U.S to comply with the JCPOA.
In the end it doesn’t matter what kind of message they want to send: The Zionist Empire seeks their destruction under all conditions. Even complete submission to the will of the Americans will be followed up with the now standard obliteration of their civilisation for ever daring to oppose their Western Colonial masters.
In the end, Uranium Enrichment is a hedge meant to work as a negotiating tool, a potential deterrent and, in last resort, as an actual weapon.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 13 2025 10:54 utc | 178
Well evidently it didn’t work. The US is taking it as provocation and will now use this as justification for attacks.
I see this kind of strategy in the same way as Hezbollah publishing drone footage of vulnerable Israeli ports to deter Israel instead of using the opportunity to attack.
There’s clearly some misunderstanding about how they think the empire’s mind operates.

Posted by: Autumn | Apr 13 2025 14:00 utc | 186

I counted 13 posts from LB on this thread on a total of 186.
What’s the matter?

Posted by: scc | Apr 13 2025 14:10 utc | 187

Posted by: Autumn | Apr 13 2025 14:00 utc | 186
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The Empire will do as it pleases.
We ex post create and accept justifications and rationalizations.
If they want to bomb hospitals, they bomb hospitals.
If they want to nuke Japanese civilians, they do so.
They want to apply a “Libyan model” to all of West Asia, and eventually the world.
They want to destroy Russia and America too.
As with the Ukrainian Nazis, the Yankees have unleashed evil forces in the pursuit of power.
https://x.com/Partisangirl/status/1911379457933259176
As throughout history, the little guy will pay the price for enabling and encouraging these dangerous animals.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 14:12 utc | 188

There’s clearly some misunderstanding about how they think the empire’s mind operates.
Posted by: Autumn | Apr 13 2025 14:00 utc | 186

Indeed.
The trouble with the sane dealing with the insane is that the sane will try to logically predict what the insane will do. But the insane do not follow logical or predictable patterns, see Trump.
I have zero hope for the non-Western aligned countries as they seem completely incapable of understanding that there is no appeasing the West, there is only winning or losing. Conceding ground on any matter just emboldens the West to try for more.
I hope the non-West will grasp this and act accordingly. Faint hope as I have been watching the same play for the last 50+ years and those targeted by the West STILL don’t seem to get it.

Posted by: saner | Apr 13 2025 14:14 utc | 189

As to my posting irritating some to the point of rage, particularly those who don’t interact or comment much, as well as the chronically passive aggressive…
I must be “over the target” to be receiving this much flak.
If I post too much or say incorrect things, I leave that to b’s discretion. He can ban me at any time, and I will accept it and move on.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 14:22 utc | 190

A victory over Zionism will be a victory for humanity.

The U.S. does not have sovereignty under Zionism. -Dan Cohen
Zionism today stands for aggression… the use of force….to take what you want irrespective of other people or of their inalienable rights -Alice Bailey

Iran/US Scenario 2 in Play, Ball is now in Trump’s Court, and Trump Blinks First in China Showdown
By Larry C. Johnson on 12 April 2025
…The agreement between the Iranian and US negotiators, i.e., Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi and Trump’s pal, Steve Witkoff, to meet next Saturday is very good news…. Let’s not forget that Araghchi was in Moscow earlier this week, coordinating and discussing Iran’s proposals with his counterparts from Russia and China. I am certain that the Russians and the Chinese played a role in persuading Iran to offer the US a proposal that they believed could be acceptable to Witkoff…
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Witkoff’s task is difficult. While he has the backing of Trump, the proposal offered by Iran is likely to enrage the Zionist cabal that surrounds Trump — i.e., Michael Waltz, Marco Rubio and CIA Director, John Ratcliffe. The GrayZone’s Max Blumenthal reports that AIPAC considers those three as reliable lackeys…
Trump now holds the success or failure of his Presidency in his own hands. If he endorses the Witkoff deal, he will earn the enmity of the Zionist cabal, but he will have a credible deal that will likely mark the end of the Iranian interest in building a nuclear weapon. Trump will have JD Vance and Tulsi Gabbard in his corner, along with his son, Don Jr., and the support of friends like Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk….
above is a brief excerpt
https://sonar21.com/iran-us-scenario-2-in-play-ball-s-now-in-trumps-court-and-trump-blinks-first-in-china-showdown/
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We must drag the machinations of the powerful into the daylight for all to see… we must be unapologetic about that most basic need of humanity – the desire to know….“Mass Leaking is the most effective political intervention. -Julian Assange
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Cowards and traitors won’t leak.

Posted by: WillSeymour | Apr 13 2025 14:45 utc | 191

The trouble with the sane dealing with the insane is that the sane will try to logically predict what the insane will do.
Posted by: saner | Apr 13 2025 14:14 utc | 189
Why does it matter what the insane will do or not? Even the insane respond to danger, especially when their own lives are in danger, like animals. As long as you have one or more types of leverage the insane can’t do anything and if they do they must be instantly hit back stronger one way or another. In Iran’s case they have no leverage and the only moment when they could have shown that they have one was wasted with their slingshot missiles that no one cared about. In Russia’s case they have many, one of them, according to Nato’s own numbers, is more nukes than the rest of planet combined, yet they kiss more butt than most of the planet combined, so their real world leverage is third world zero, that’s why they get bombed like a third world country, get their ships sunk and stuff blown up left and right. Still waiting to see if they ever tell us who blew up Kirillov but even if they don’t, we know who likes to blow up Iranian generals. China so far does not follow the stupid path of their Brics partners, they responded equally to tariffs but not at all on the always increasing US and Nato military presence in the area, which is far better than shooting down your own drones in flight, but won’t make anyone care.

Posted by: rk | Apr 13 2025 15:00 utc | 192

Who is ready to die in order to bring down Iran? HTS are not going to march on Tehran. MEK are capable of terrorist attacks, nothinng more. I just don‘t see Trump or Bibi able to survive any casusalties politically, be it from shot down planes or missiles hitting their bases in the ME. Let alone the economic fallout that Iran can and will cause when attacked. When Israel attacked Iran a few months ago, they did so from the safety of Iraq‘s airspace, with little impact. Iran OTOH can sell their own fallen as martyrs defending their homeland.
Their best option is the Syria model. Hollowing out and bribing until one day the Regime collapses. But that‘s a long way to go.

Posted by: Peter Givens | Apr 13 2025 15:37 utc | 193

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 14:22 utc | 190
I enjoyed reading your posts btw. People on a public forum will always get disagreements don’t worry, its natural.

Posted by: Autumn | Apr 13 2025 16:18 utc | 194

It’s worth remembering that jewish residents of “Israel” born after 1945 are not Holocaust Survivors. They are, by default, Holocaust Perpetrators.
Thus the jews who have not treated Palestinians like sub-humans are just as guilty as the jews who have, by remaining silent about the deeds of their lying, thieving, violent, racist bretheren.
Deriving pleasure from inflicting suffering upon Human Beings is a shared, and uniquely jewish, trait.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 13 2025 16:57 utc | 195

Posted by: Autumn | Apr 13 2025 16:18 utc | 194
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Thank you, and I enjoy reading your writing as well.
I don’t really “care” what anyone besides b thinks. b is the final authority.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 17:04 utc | 196

Posted by: Peter Givens | Apr 13 2025 15:37 utc | 193
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It is a very Western thing to see Iran as just another country.
Like China and Russia, Iran is a civilization (Persian) that has been around for thousands of years.
The reach of Shia Islam is all over the planet, and Iran is the leading authority for the faith of resistance.
There is no way to defeat Iran that doesn’t start and end with Iran. The only way Iran collapses is when the Persian people turn on what it is to be Persian.
No offense to anyone in particular, but Americans, Australians, and Canadians may not be able to understand this. None of them come from real countries. Those are all occupations and not civilizations.
If one doesn’t understand the difference, well, that’s the problem in a nutshell.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 17:25 utc | 197

Along the lines of rejecting one’s civilization, that is what has been done to South Korea, India, and Japan. They can ape being who they were, but it has been distorted and manipulated by colonizers.
And 2 (SK, JAP) of those 3 are going extinct now, the more Western they become.
North Korea’s birth rate is 2x that of South Korea. A similar dichotomy exists between Pakistan and India.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 17:32 utc | 198

From https://www.scienceabc.com/innovation/why-is-thorium-a-potentially-safer-alternative-to-uranium-not-used-in-nuclear-reactors.html

On the other hand, the fission of thorium does not produce plutonium-239 as a byproduct. The thorium fuel cycle (shown above) starts with the transmutation of 232Th into 233U through a series of decays. 233U goes on to play the role of nuclear fuel in these reactors. The thorium fuel cycle also produces plutonium, but the non-weaponizable isotope (plutonium-238). 233U can also be used in nuclear weapons, but the presence of 232Th in the mixture negates its capabilities.
To piece this all together, thorium cannot be weaponized, which meant that research and development of dual-purpose uranium reactors were encouraged (and also funded) in several nations after World War 2. Researchers who voiced their opinions and encouragement for thorium reactors were either ousted from their respective organizations or the ideas were dismissed in favor of uranium’s military uses.

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 13 2025 17:50 utc | 199

Thank you to b. and all, very good thread.
Special thanks @ Tundra Tide, Spectator, Arch ( all posts on all threads ) and Dun Groanin.
I think that the attack on Iran is going to happen, and is a step towards attack on China as a leader of multipolar world threatening the hegemon status in all fields.
MAGA is not and never was intended for the bettering of the usa citizenry, but for the preservation of the american ruling oligarchy.
Quote from Brian Berletic article on NEO:
”With the rollout of sweeping US tariffs aimed at nations worldwide, economists and geopolitical analysts alike are astounded by what at face value looks like irrational self-sabotage attributed to incompetence within the White House.
In reality, the tariffs are a central pillar of bipartisan foreign, trade, and economic policy implemented first during the previous Trump administration, continued and even expanded upon during the following Biden administration, before being expanded further still under the current Trump administration.
Rather than a random idea that formed within the mind of President Donald Trump himself or among those within his cabinet, sweeping tariffs are the stated policy of unelected corporate-financier interests, articulated in-depth within the pages of special interest-funded think tank documents including Heritage Foundation’s “Project 2025” paper under Chapter 26: Trade Policy.
The policy, far from a sound plan to re-industrialize America or genuinely balance America’s trade deficit, is instead meant to maintain America as “the world’s dominant superpower.” … etc etc
Link:
https://journal-neo.su/2025/04/08/worst-case-scenario-trumps-tariffs-walling-us-off-ahead-of-wider-world-conflict/
Also good read is ‘ Which path to Persia’, since more than 10 years I have read it. Israel is not dragging usa to this war, just their interests converge here, no need to explain…
For usa it is the way to war on China, and it is decoupling itself from China and international trade in time before it launches demolition of it. It has to be done systematically, but the fool Trump has overdone it and had to retreat as he nearly caused crash…
I agree with Arch that China and Russia have to act more assertively, as it is existential for all the sides.
War is coming.

Posted by: stranger | Apr 13 2025 20:41 utc | 200