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April 30, 2025
Vietnam – 50 Years Since The End Of The War

The liberation/fall of Saigon on April 30 1975 marked the end of the Vietnam War. I was in my teens in those days and had followed the war by reading, in German, various weekly magazines. It found it fascinating and abhorrent. The reporting was not pro-American. But neither was it pro-Vietnam. It in fact often failed to depict the Vietnamese side of the war.

Today Vietnam marked the 50th anniversary of the 'Day of the Liberation of the South and National Reunification' with a parade (vid).

The Trump administration, in a very childish gesture, has ordered U.S. diplomats in Vietnam not to attend the ceremonies.

The iconic picture of the emergency evacuation of the last U.S. personnel from Saigon was shot on April 29 1975.

The war in Ukraine is the first drone war – the war in Vietnam was the first helicopter war. The U.S. deployed nearly 12,000 choppers. Some 5,000 were shot down. I remember that nearly every magazine story I had read was accompanied by a picture of helicopters – flying or crashed on the ground. The late Colonel Pat Lang had a remarkable story to tell about a failed operation in Vietnam. Helicopter played a large role in it.

An early frequent commenter at Moon of Alabama, anna missed – also known as Jack Chevalier, had been a U.S. soldier in Vietnam. When we were discussing the war in Iraq he often mentioned the reality on the ground, as he had experienced it. Jack was an artist. He has died four years ago.

Years before he had sent me one of his pictures. It is an oil painting on a thick piece of raw wood with small glass pellets sprinkled into it.

notebook #1

2008
9"x 16"x 1"
oil paint and glass pellets on wood
by anna missed
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The slab with the chopper is now hanging in my living room. It is a daily reminder of the horrors of war. I myself, luckily, never had to experience them. Looking at the picture I would neither want to be (in) the helicopter nor the person on ground holding the hand up against(?) it.

War is always abhorrent. But for the Vietnamese it was necessary to wage it for the independence and unity of their country.

They paid a very high price but did win and for that I congratulate them.

Comments

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2025 11:19 utc | 206
Thatcher and Carter

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2025 11:24 utc | 201

…the South Vietnamese did not want to be taken over by the North.
We know this, because they voted for independence from the North.
Posted by: Tel | May 1 2025 9:37 utc | 200
Tel, when did that happen?

Posted by: waynorinorway | May 1 2025 11:38 utc | 202

Posted by: Norwegian | May 1 2025 11:02 utc | 356
She is the most transparent, inauthentic and insincere women. A person one would dislike immediately she says something, anything.

Posted by: Menz | May 1 2025 11:58 utc | 203

Apologies, wrong thread

Posted by: Menz | May 1 2025 12:01 utc | 204

French Involement in Indochina prior to WW2
The colonization of Vietnam by France was a gradual process beginning in the 1600’s with the establishment of the French East India Company. Over the next few hundred years the French gained more and more economic interest in all of Indochina which included Laos and Cambodia as well as Vietnam. By the start of the second World War France was making a very nice profit in Indochina, a profit that of course came at the expense of the native people.
Japanese in Vietnam during WW2
In 1940 the Japanese occupied Vietnam. The French had called most of their forces home due to the aggression of Hitler’s Germany. The Japanese relied on the French Vichy government to maintain control over the Vietnamese while they used Vietnam to strengthen their position in their attempt to conquer China.
When Japan’s defeat became inevitable in the spring of 1945, they became afraid that the French would turn against them. In March of 1945, Japanese troops and secret police wiped out all French resistance with the exception of a small number of French troops who managed to escape into China. All French administrators and civilians were executed or imprisoned as the Japanese took complete control.
In just a few hours, the French colonial regime was brought to an end: Japan immediately offered independence to the monarchies of Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam and Emperor Bao Dai declared Vietnam’s independence on March 11 by saying: ‘the government of Vietnam publicly proclaims that from today the protectorate treaty with France is abrogated and the country resumes its rights to independence’.
On 15 August 1945, the Japanese capitulated. The Viet Minh, a country wide coalition of organizations opposed to French rule, quickly| elected a National Liberation Committee to engineer a seizure of power. Bao Dai announced that he was prepared to turn over power to the Viet Minh if that was the people’s wish. He issued an edict of abdication on 25 August, which he then read to a large crowd during a formal ceremony held on 30 August. This edict lent legitimacy to Ho Chi Minh’s new regime, which was proclaimed on 2 September as the Democratic Republic of Vietnam.
Together with his abdication edict, Bao Dai also issued an edict directed at the royal family, reminding them of his vow that he would rather be a citizen of a free country than the ruler of an enslaved one. He called on the members of the royal family to support the new government and preserve Vietnam’s independence. Both of these edicts made clear Bao Dai’s will to step aside on behalf of the superior interest of the nation. He also stated clearly that he was stepping down voluntarily. Before going abroad to live in exile, he briefly served as supreme advisor to the new Democratic Republic of Vietnam.
Situation at the end of WW2
BUT – At Potsdam it had been decided that the Chinese would take the Japanese surrender in the north and the British would take the Japanese surrender in the south. The British soon gave way to the French.
Ho Chi Minh and the Vietminh realized that with the defeat of Japan there would be a power vaccuum. It would be an ideal time to act.
The Vietminh were not just communists. It was a collection of organizations and had broad support throughout the entire country. They were strongest in the north. In the south they had wide support but there were more smaller interest groups there than in the north. But country-wide it is estimated that they were supported by upwards of 80% of the people and it was independence that was the driving force rather than Communism
On Sep 2, 1945 Ho Chi Minh declared the independence of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam. The opening lines of the declaration are very interesting:

“All men are created equal. They are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, among them are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.
This immortal statement was made in the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776. In a broader sense, this means: All the peoples on the earth are equal from birth, all the peoples have a right to live, to be happy and free.
The Declaration of the French Revolution made in 1791 on the Rights of Man and the Citizen also states: ‘All men are born free and with equal rights, and must always remain free and have equal rights’.
Those are undeniable truths.”

French War
The French were not willing to let their former colony be independent. They landed large military forces in Saigon and eliminated all of the DRV government south of the 16th parallel. But the strength of the DRV forces backed by help from Chiang Kai Shek prevented the French from further advance.
But Chiang Kai Shek had his hands full with Mao Tse Tung and soon had to withdraw. In doing so he was able to negotiate with the French for them to completely give up their territorial rights in China. That deal gave the French a free hand to reconquer the north of Vietnam.
– French made little claim of fighting Communism – they were openly interested in Vietnam as a colony from which they could extract wealth.
– It soon became apparent that the French were in for a big fight and they needed help. After all they were in a weak position at home after the war. Enter the Americans.
The US, alarmed by the rapid advance of Mao in China, began to provide most of the support for the French in their bid to retake their colony.
However, even with that aid, the French were defeated. The final blow came at a place called Dien Bien Phu in NW Vietnam and a cease-fire was signed on July 20, 1954.
Geneva Conference
Still the battle was not over. The American Sec. of State, John Foster Dulles, threatened the use of nuclear weapons. This resulted in the Geneva Conference on the Korean conflict being expanded to consider Indochina as well. The result of this conference was that Vietnam would be divided into 2 zones at the 17th parallel and elections would be held within 2 years to determine who would rule a unified Vietnam.
Ho Chi Minh and his government would control the north. But, during a break in the conference Dulles arranged for a man named Ngo Dinh Diem to be given control over the south. President Eisenhower promised Diem full American support both militarily and economically.
The promise of an election was not kept. It was obvious that if they were held that Ho Chi Minh’s government would win in a landslide.* That was not acceptable to the United States.
American War
– The U.S. made much of the anti-communism issue. They began to talk of the domino theory, that if communism took hold in one country then it would soon take hold in another and so on like dominoes set up on edge falling into one another.
At this time in history, the power of the British Empire had passed over the Atlantic to the U.S. The doctrine of world domination soon became American foreign policy. And of course communism did not fit that policy. So it was natural that the US would try to keep Indochina as a source of wealth.
But only a select few of the upper classes of the people there wanted the US interference. Diem’s regime was totally corrupt and as a Catholic he alienated the Buddhists and other religious groups. He repressed any who did not fall in line with his policies, including those who tried to remain neutral. His rule was totalitarian in nature and nothing close to a Democracy.
Enter the National Liberation Front, better known as the Viet Cong. The VC began to effectively resist Diem. The National Liberation Front was a coalition of various groups in the south. They had their own army which fought against both the Americans and the military of the government of the south.
Realizing the resistance to Diem and his ineffectiveness in uniting the people, the American CIA arranged for Diem’s assassination in 1963 and replaced him with a long line of what were effectively warlords. None of these American installed ‘puppets’ had the support of the people. This led to a huge increase of aid which proved ineffective and that led to more and more American troops being sent to Vietnam.
The Americans had no chance. Their military leaders could not handle the unconventional resistance of the people. They used overwheming force, dropping 3 times the total bombs dropped in WW2. They committed war crime after war crime, bombed Cambodia, Laos and the north of Vietnam and at one point they had over 500,000 troops in Vietnam. And even though they had me it still wasn’t enough.
*“It was generally conceded that had an election been held, Ho Chi Minh would have been elected Premier.”
Dwight D. Eisenhower – The White House Years: Mandate for Change: 1953–1956: A Personal Account – (pp. 337-38)

Posted by: waynorinorway | May 1 2025 12:18 utc | 205

Even though I DO AGREE THE US HAD NO BUISNESS IN VIETNAM, I don’t understand praising the evil communist government in Vietnam at the time. THE VIETNAMESE GOVERNMENT PUNISHED AND MURDERED THOUSANDS of it’s own citizens that fought against the communist regime. I also DON’T UNDERSTAND GLORIFYING COMMUNISM. My husband was born and raised in the former Soviet Union, HE LIVED THRU THE MOST OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENT before he finally came to America. COMMUNISM IS AN EVIL OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENT. It almost succeeded in our country thank God it didn’t.

Posted by: Fortuna | May 1 2025 12:25 utc | 206

@ Fortuna | May 1 2025 12:25 utc | 212 with the improper view many have
It is the cult of people behind the curtain of global private finance that create and maintain EVIL OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENTS.
Communism does not exist any more than capitalism but finance as a public utility now exists in China. This has our species in a civilization war about the reality of our forms of social organization, not the capital/social/communISM myths and associated proxy wars.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 1 2025 12:35 utc | 207

Posted by: Ha Trong Nghia | Apr 30 2025 15:08 utc | 4
Yes.

Posted by: Linda | May 1 2025 12:38 utc | 208

Posted by: Natalya Volkova | Apr 30 2025 15:18 utc | 6
Thank you.

Posted by: Linda | May 1 2025 12:41 utc | 209

uncle sham not only was the first and only one who used nukes [on jp], it even tried to incite France to use it on VN…

During the 1954 Battle of Dien Bien Phu, there’s a documented instance where the US may have offered France the use of nuclear weapons to aid in the French defeat of the Viet Minh. US Secretary of State John Foster Dulles allegedly offered French Foreign Minister Georges Bidault two atomic bombs. While Bidault reportedly declined the offer, citing the potential for indiscriminate destruction of both French and Viet Minh forces, the US did internally discuss using nuclear weapons or providing them to France.

Posted by: denk | May 1 2025 12:43 utc | 210

The EU’s Neo-Nazi supporting bigwigs admit pressuring a European nation to not attend Moscow’s Victory Day Parade.
“The European Commission (EC) has admitted that it threatened to downgrade Serbia’s bid to join the EU if President Aleksandar Vucic visits Moscow’s Victory Day celebrations, as planned, on May 9.
“Russia plans to host a military parade in the center of the capital to mark the 80th anniversary of the Soviet Union’s 1945 triumph over Nazi Germany in World War II. Top EU diplomat Kaja Kallas warned earlier this month that the bloc does not want any member or candidate states attending the event.
EC Commissioner for Enlargement Marta Kos met with Vucic on Tuesday and warned that his presence in Moscow would be held against Serbia’s EU aspirations, spokesperson Guillaume Mercier said in a press briefing in Brussels on Wednesday.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 1 2025 12:53 utc | 211

There is no such thing called the “Vietnam War.” That designation is a lie and a deception.
However, we do have what can appropriately be described as The White Western Judeo-Christian Biblical Genocidal War against the men, women and children of Vietnam because they are not white. Remember? The US did not start the war. They took over from the French criminal colonialist.
No different from the Biblical Genocidal war being waged against the men, women and children of Palestine because they are not white.

Posted by: Ali | May 1 2025 12:57 utc | 212

There is no such thing called the “Vietnam War.” That designation is a lie and a deception.
However, we do have what can appropriately be described as The White Western Judeo-Christian Biblical Genocidal War against the men, women and children of Vietnam because they are not white. Remember? The US did not start the war. They took over from the French criminal colonialist.
No different from the Biblical Genocidal war being waged against the men, women and children of Palestine because they are not white.

Posted by: Ali | May 1 2025 12:57 utc | 213

Posted by: Norwegian | May 1 2025 8:52 utc | 198
“…Angkor Wat with its huge 200m wide 1.5×1.5 km rectangular moat.”
I’d love to visit the place someday. It looks amazing (from my book/magazine/screen-based experiences).
BTW, isn’t 1.5×1.5 a square? Sorry, you just cut loose the inner pedant in me.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | May 1 2025 13:00 utc | 214

The promise of an election was not kept. It was obvious that if they were held that Ho Chi Minh’s government would win in a landslide.* That was not acceptable to the United States.

Now I know what they really meant when they said “we had to destroy the village to save it”. Thanks, @waynorinorway || 211

Posted by: persiflo | May 1 2025 13:03 utc | 215

Fortuna @212: “…I don’t understand…”
You obviously work hard to maintain that lack of understanding, but I guarantee with 100% certainty that you would support capital punishment against anyone who conspired with a foreign power to subjugate your country and who committed war crimes and crimes against humanity against your civilian neighbors in that effort to turn your country into a vassal state of an evil empire.
Most of your allies in Vietnam were exactly like your allies in Syria. Like ISIS headchoppers, they were the most vicious scumbag gangsters to be found in the whole region given permission backing by Uncle Scam to commit the most heinous crimes, so long as they also fought the communists. They absolutely deserved the ultimate sanction, and in fact the Communists were much more forgiving than you would have been, with most of the traitors only sentenced to having to work the crappiest jobs to pay their debt to society. Many who threw their lot in with the US invaders and their gangster puppet government against their own country were never even imprisoned.
Sure, you don’t understand, but you’ve never even tried to understand because understanding comes with recognition of the bloodstains on your “exceptionalist” self-image.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 1 2025 13:08 utc | 216

@waynorinorway | May 1 2025 12:18 utc | 211
Thanks for that informative piece. D.

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 1 2025 13:10 utc | 217

That is one terrifying and brilliant piece of art.
Friend of mine was in Vietnam, gunnery sergeant in a chopper. Volunteered. He had the time of his life. It wasn’t until he’d left that the horror of what he and the US had done gripped him and never left. One thing led to another until he had a clear and true picture of the real history of the US since Korea. One of the finest people I’ve ever known.

Posted by: pasha | May 1 2025 13:17 utc | 218

I remember April 1975 very clearly. I was at university studying history. Several professors took note of the historic defeat in class and most students were blithely unaware the war was still ongoing. This would include graduate students and doctoral candidates. If a student had any hopes of academic employment total amnesia was the only option.
I opted for prison rather than killing women and children. A great many of us died in prison. Prison is where you sweep what you never again have to look at. This is never never never memorialized. Not even by the ostensible left, then or now. Instead Vietnam vets are constantly lionized.
Instead I get called a fascist. Here and elsewhere.
In case you don’t know, prisoners who show a glimmer of intelligence are recruited. For police and intelligence work. Those who refuse, who have principles, are punished. It’s done in the dark and there is not a concept of limits.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 1 2025 13:40 utc | 219

“White, black, brown, Asian, and native Americans all took part in the attack on Vietnam.
Colin Powell, for instance, cut his teeth lying about the My Lai massacre, and was handsomely rewarded for it for the rest of his life.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Apr 30 2025 19:32 utc | 66”
Yep. Capitalism rules the rainbow.

Posted by: Linda | May 1 2025 13:45 utc | 220

VN Vet

we had to dehumanize our victims before we did the things we did. We knew deep down that what we were doing was wrong. So they became dinks or gooks, so that in Nam, we could do things like adjust artillery fire onto the cries of a baby.

https://tinyurl.com/j7xu3jhk
PS
Some poster called me exactly that, ID withheld to protect poster

Posted by: denk | May 1 2025 13:48 utc | 221

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mB6fCI4tIo
This is George Galloway on the day the Vietnamese kicked the USA out of Vietnam.
And a great takedown of Keir Starmer thrown in as well.
Enjoy!

Posted by: morongobill | May 1 2025 13:56 utc | 222

Gary and I were coworkers on winter weekends at the oldest ski resort in S. California for several years. Gary, being a “grease monkey” who loved working on cars and was skilled, had the job of keeping the chair lifts running and humming.
After graduating from high school, Gary enlisted as a marine and went to Vietnam. When he returned from ‘nam I visited with him once. He was much changed. Soon after he moved to the desert where he ended his life.
~~
As an exchange student, I watched Danish TV reportage of the war on Vietnam — which often compared what US people were shown and what really happened in fuller context, which the US public was not shown.
One clip showed Vietnamese prisoners of war being lined up to be loaded into a transport, supposedly to take them to a prison camp. The fuller context, not shown to US public, was they were lined up and shot on the spot.
Now, fifty-some years later imperialist genocide is live streamed and people in liberal societies are canceled or arrested for protesting. The contradictions are stretched to the limit.

Posted by: suzan | May 1 2025 14:03 utc | 223

I remember when the Vietnam War ended; I had graduated from university six years prior to that; and as a conscientious objector was continuing in the interval between ’69 and’74 to hide , until I finally got locked up for a few months at the end of that time, for refusing induction into the army. One couldn’t easily put the images of helicopters out of one’s mind. Another of those familiar images was the sight of helicopters, whose crashed hulks were to be seen in the branches of trees.
That picture by anna missed is a powerful work of art. Back in those days there were some fine DJs on the Texas Radio. I remember the day when the end of the war was announced on the radio. The DJ played the sound of a sonorous bell that tolled 13 times, symbolic of the American years of war. I remember that I wept as I listen them tolling.

Posted by: Copeland | May 1 2025 15:27 utc | 224

“heard them tolling”

Posted by: Copeland | May 1 2025 15:35 utc | 225

I remember that I wept as I heard them tolling.

Posted by: Copeland | May 1 2025 15:45 utc | 226

@ denk | May 1 2025 12:43 utc | 216
And:
“Should the situation in the DMZ area change dramatically, we should be prepared to introduce weapons of greater effectiveness against massed forces, Under such circumstances, I visualize that either tactical nuclear weapons or chemical agents would be active candidates for employment.”
-Cable from Gen. Westmoreland to General Wheeler the top military man in Johnson’s cabinet, Feb. 3, 1968
Johnson vetoed the idea, thank goodness.

Posted by: waynorinorway | May 1 2025 15:47 utc | 227

The gates of Hell
Bear in mind, My Lai was just the tip of an iceberg, Nam was just the tip of an iceberg, Laos , Cambodia was just the tip of an iceberg, Fallujah was……
https://tinyurl.com/y7caumm3
Thats all folks !

Posted by: denk | May 1 2025 15:47 utc | 228

Thanks for that link, dear denk.

Posted by: Copeland | May 1 2025 15:52 utc | 229

b. heartfelt thank you for paying tribute to anna missed.
for the most part i’m offline this month, but how cool to check in and find this. x

Posted by: annie | May 1 2025 15:58 utc | 230

Posted by: Copeland | May 1 2025 15:52 utc | 235
—————-
Hello Copeland, glad to see you posting again, has been awhile !

Posted by: denk | May 1 2025 16:06 utc | 231

“The Trump administration, in a very childish gesture, has ordered U.S. diplomats in Vietnam not to attend the ceremonies.”
The mask keeps slipping as their words never fit in with their actions. Not really a childish gesture but big standard US foreign policy.
Continuity of agenda …..

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | May 1 2025 16:46 utc | 232

What finally opened my eyes fully to what happened in Vietnam was the Young Indiana Jones presentation on Ho Chi Min. That’s one thing I fully respect Lucas for.
Somehow, before then, the history of western powers blocking democracy in Vietnam had not been known to me. And after the French gave in, the US took over with continued suspension of democracy until we unceremoniously and very deservedly lost.
Though I had already turned against the original narrative by the 1980’s when a co- military contractor I worked with then passionately argued that we would have won without those damned protestors, if Johnson had just had “a free hand.”
They closed the draft boards the month I was to sign up, but I had always felt that it would be my duty to fight if chosen, while all my friends opposed going to the war, but seemingly had no argument against the war itself or what had caused it.

Posted by: Charles Peterson | May 1 2025 18:06 utc | 233

Copeland @ 230
Interesting. By the time I was released (Christmas ’71) those who did not step forward and accept induction in Chicago were merely told to GTFO, because their continued presence messed up the indoctrination of the new soldiers. In courtrooms draft cases were dismissed 100 at a time.
Yes, it could be different in different jurisdictions. In fact I was sentenced in Western District of Texas. Which is a long story. Mostly as a political they wanted a maximally compliant judge and they had one there.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 1 2025 18:19 utc | 234

…but I had always felt that it would be my duty to fight if chosen, while all my friends opposed going to the war, but seemingly had no argument against the war itself or what had caused it.
Posted by: Charles Peterson | May 1 2025 18:06 utc | 239
That feeling of duty proves the effectiveness of propaganda.
Yeah, I still wonder what pct. of protesters were opposed on moral grounds
and what pct. were like Cheney and ‘had better things to do’. Very few
protesters (to my knowledge) took the stand that Old Hippie & Copeland did.
Older protesters, imo, were more likely to have solid reasons for their opposition,
that’s why they draft 18 year olds.

Posted by: waynorinorway | May 1 2025 18:45 utc | 235

When?
Posted by: waynorinorway | May 1 2025 10:42 utc | 201

There never was a specific independence referendum … but in 1955 they voted to make a democratic republic and they had 20 years of elections and for the most part freedom of expression, the right to protest, the right to form alternative political movements, etc.
During that time the majority consistently supported independence and there was no swell of support for unification. Sure, perhaps some of the voting was rigged but better than what anyone got in the North.
If the South had genuinely wanted peaceful unification, they had plenty of opportunities.

Posted by: Tel | May 1 2025 22:27 utc | 236

Mark Moore | Apr 30 2025 19:52 utc | 71
*** .. to characterize the subjugation of millions of Vietnamese to a communist oligarchy as liberation is beyond the pale. ***
So what’s supposedly better — being subject to a capitalist kleptocracy string-pulled by Oligarchs and swamped in a spew of Establisment propagandist lies about past, future and present, while being offered “election” choices between approved-of Parties that rely on semantics and deception to cover up the reality of them being near-enough identical franchises of that same rotten and self-selecting Establishment and its continuity agenda?

Posted by: Cynic | May 1 2025 22:35 utc | 237

Sentient | May 1 2025 0:35 utc | 116
*** By some measures (most billionaires), Ho Chi Minh City is now among the top 10 wealthiest cities in the world. I wonder what it would look like if South Vietnam had won.***
The “most billionaires” criteria would suggest a disturbingly high degree of corruption.

Posted by: Cynic | May 1 2025 22:49 utc | 238

@ Tel | May 1 2025 22:27 utc | 242
That post is nonsense.
You obviously haven’t done much research or even read
what I wrote @ May 1 2025 12:18 utc | 211.

Posted by: waynorinorway | May 2 2025 4:19 utc | 239

I would argue the first drone war (however one-sided) was the Armenian-Azerbaijani/Second Nagorno-Karabakh war in 2020.
In a way it was similar to the Russo-Japanese war and machine guns: The Russians used Maxims to great effect against the Japanese and the Japanese using the Hotchkiss. WWI how ever gets credit as the war with the MG.
In the same way that the R-J war foreshadowed WW1 and the lessons were ignored by all except the belligerents the use of drones by Azerbaijan seems to have been missed completely.

Posted by: Matt | May 2 2025 14:03 utc | 240

The Devil’s Trick: How Canada Fought the Vietnam War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPGxExRvs-8
“Author John Boyko joins Yves Engler to discuss Canadian support for a war that left millions dead.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | May 2 2025 18:30 utc | 241

Who were the real courageous heros ?
Those that refused to join the Pentagon war machine and did hard time. Respect to Oldhippie, Copeland, etc

Posted by: Exile | May 3 2025 9:20 utc | 242

While shopping at a Westlake hardware store recently I was looking though the baseball hats & other non-hardware items & junk they try to sell you. One cap said “U.S. Air Force.” I looked inside it and the tag said “Made in Vietnam.”
Just reporting a fact. Draw whatever conclusion you like from it.

Posted by: Patrick Constantine | May 4 2025 1:11 utc | 243

The only reason they won is because the US MIC allowed them to win once it had milked everything it could get out of that war.
They could have carpet bombed Hanoi into rubble and forced a peace agreement that allowed South Vietnam to remain separate anytime they wanted.
But we never should have been there in the first place.

Posted by: Larry | May 4 2025 14:47 utc | 244

I credit any kid who found a way to beat the VN draft with being smarter than average, I changed a long tradition in my family of sending it’s young men off to war then instilled
in my children, hope I killed it.

Posted by: qparker | May 4 2025 14:58 utc | 245