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April 6, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-072
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Ukrainian troops are collapsing so rapidly in the Chasof Yar area, that all available AFU reinforcements have to *flood the zone,* as it were. Chasof Yar is among the last of the originally fortified cities from 2014. Zelensky seems especially nostalgic about it. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 7 2025 0:30 utc | 101 I have no idea about how you can look at all that and conclude Russia is ” WINNING “ or “has won”. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 7 2025 0:41 utc | 102 Julian | Apr 7 2025 0:17 utc | 99 Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 7 2025 0:43 utc | 103 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USGA6qPJUh4 Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 7 2025 0:55 utc | 104 Mercouris Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 7 2025 0:58 utc | 105
Hi Eighthman, My point is that VVP’s minimal goals for the SMO as defined in 2021 and again in Feb 2022 were denazification and demilitarisation of Ukraine. It is rather clear that the territorial changes are less important than pacification of whatever remains of Ukraine. Maybe the SMO will stop with the 4 currently claimed oblasts + Crimea. Maybe if the war goes on for another year or two VVP with take Kharkov, Dnipropetrovsk, Nikolaev, and Odesa. As pacifists, Tymoshenko and Poroshenko are even less credible than Zelensky. I can’t see VVP, or Medvedev, or any successor Russian leader being happy with a Ukraine led by the Maidan crowd. Posted by: Drifter | Apr 7 2025 1:01 utc | 106
John Pierpont Morgan Jr. (September 7, 1867 – March 13, 1943) took over when his father died. His childhood nickname was Jack and he didn’t like being called junior. So the son was also called JP Morgan, without the Jr. Very Confusing. Posted by: Drifter | Apr 7 2025 1:08 utc | 107 Scientifically proven wisdom, also taught in marketing and mass psychology: “If information is disseminated so regularly and so strongly for a long time that contrary information is suppressed, the information is internalized as true, and factual, opposing arguments are no longer mentally absorbed.” This is also true of religions and political ideologies. This has nothing to do with intelligence, which doesn’t protect against such things. Posted by: Activist Potato | Apr 7 2025 1:24 utc | 108 Re: Posted by: Activist Potato | Apr 7 2025 1:24 utc | 108
Yeah, it certainly doesn’t work on everybody – mainly those predisposed to a libertarian philosophy. Posted by: Julian | Apr 7 2025 1:28 utc | 109 Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 7 2025 0:55 utc | 104 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Apr 7 2025 1:38 utc | 110 @Tel #94 Posted by: Billb | Apr 7 2025 1:51 utc | 111 The thing to remember is Russia did not call for “ceasefire”. Or sanctions relief. Posted by: Suresh | Apr 7 2025 2:37 utc | 112 Guys, the Krauts are still not over all the stories about oma getting serially gangbanged by a bunch of buryat and khazaks. Then after that großonkel Erik starved to death in the Rheinmeadows by the savior Amis. Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Apr 7 2025 2:42 utc | 113 Funny to see here the profligate posters who denigrate other people who should be their natural allies, despite some disagreements. People like Scott Ritter are now persona non-grata. Posted by: Spectator | Apr 7 2025 2:50 utc | 114 The profligate sanctimonious posters also hate Jeffrey Sachs and Mearsheimer. Posted by: Spectator | Apr 7 2025 2:55 utc | 115 Same | Apr 6 2025 21:55 utc | 74 Posted by: donten | Apr 7 2025 3:26 utc | 116 Naive | Apr 6 2025 22:26 utc | 81 Posted by: donten | Apr 7 2025 3:32 utc | 117 >>his videos commonly claim Ukrainians are surrendering in large numbers, day after day. Posted by: Jmaas | Apr 7 2025 3:37 utc | 118 >>Yes, the physical properties of repetition and censorship overwhelming reason in the right circumstances. It’s basic. Posted by: Jmaas | Apr 7 2025 3:44 utc | 119 The old are a lot harder to sell than the young. Still it is remarkable the extent to which some people will cling to an opinion that is otherwise unsupportable. Posted by: MiniMO | Apr 7 2025 3:49 utc | 120
There is no such thing as “the Russians”. There is the official MoD tally that is ironclad, there are some trustworthy mil.bloggers, some click-baiters and some CIPSO plants maskerading for Russians. If you read the latter two for stats – you should blame only yourself. Posted by: Rutte | Apr 7 2025 3:49 utc | 121 $12.5 Billion Reported Lost to Scams and Fraud in 2024, Older Adults Hit Hard Posted by: MiniMO | Apr 7 2025 3:52 utc | 122 So long as there is a piece of Ukrainian land that can launch a Lyutyi, these strikes will continue to cut Russia. Both Blue and Red knows this, they just wont tell you that. Posted by: Jimieus | Apr 7 2025 3:56 utc | 123 You might not want to hear that, but that’s the undeniable truth, warts and all. Posted by: MiniMO | Apr 7 2025 4:03 utc | 124 There are plenty of communists posting at this site, but the best one I’ve seen who regularly posts persuasive some arguments (and has done so for years) is named Ahenobarbous. Posted by: Spectator | Apr 7 2025 4:11 utc | 125 Yes, Russia is fighting an existential war but behaving as if it isn’t much more than the Chechen wars in the past. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 7 2025 4:18 utc | 126 Posted by: pepe | Apr 6 2025 16:27 utc | 7 Posted by: Paranaense | Apr 7 2025 4:24 utc | 127 Zelensky. Now taunting Americans: y’all pussies.
^ Note the ambassador’s emotive caterwauling- “*near*” a playground. Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 7 2025 4:55 utc | 128 Posted by: Tel | Apr 7 2025 0:16 utc | 98 Posted by: snake | Apr 7 2025 5:14 utc | 129 3) Since distraction through war is always the easiest way to discipline the population, Trump starts the war against Iran and simultaneously supplies and releases long-range weapons to Ukraine. Posted by: berthold | Apr 7 2025 5:32 utc | 130 Many Americans are like mushrooms. They are fed crap and kept in the dark. Particularly the older cable-watching generations. Posted by: berthold | Apr 7 2025 5:34 utc | 131 “Just an average flea market in Kiev…” Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 7 2025 5:46 utc | 132 There are plenty of communists posting at this site, but the best one I’ve seen who regularly posts persuasive some arguments (and has done so for years) is named Ahenobarbous. Posted by: berthold | Apr 7 2025 6:13 utc | 133 Being not very bright, and having little factual to contribute, I don’t post often. However, I have a question which I can’t seem to get an answer to: will the new tarrifs cause a worldwide scarcity of dollars? Posted by: Occasional poster | Apr 7 2025 6:17 utc | 134 “Just an average flea market in Kiev…” Posted by: Ost Rentner | Apr 7 2025 6:26 utc | 135 Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 4th April 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly Posted by: The Busker | Apr 7 2025 6:38 utc | 136
Click the link to see an example. More Western magical “thinking”. Signs of atrophying minds or maybe the desperation of the defeated… Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 7 2025 6:52 utc | 137 “Being not very bright, and having little factual to contribute, I don’t post often. However, I have a question which I can’t seem to get an answer to: will the new tarrifs cause a worldwide scarcity of dollars?” Posted by: Spectator | Apr 7 2025 7:17 utc | 138 Per Bhadrakumar @ indianpunchline.com: Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 7 2025 7:25 utc | 139 @KevinB | Sun, 06 Apr 2025 22:46:00 GMT | 85 Posted by: Avtonom | Apr 7 2025 8:51 utc | 140 Posted by: Suresh | Apr 7 2025 2:37 utc | 112 Posted by: Elber | Apr 7 2025 9:05 utc | 141 Posted by: Ost Rentner | Apr 7 2025 6:26 utc | 135 Posted by: Avtonom | Apr 7 2025 9:07 utc | 142 Posted by: Naive | Apr 6 2025 19:40 utc | 40 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Apr 7 2025 9:10 utc | 143 Posted by: Occasional poster | Apr 7 2025 6:17 utc | 134 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Apr 7 2025 9:26 utc | 144 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Apr 7 2025 9:26 utc | 144 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Apr 7 2025 9:47 utc | 145 Posted by: David | Apr 6 2025 19:48 utc | 45 Posted by: pepe | Apr 7 2025 10:14 utc | 146 I get charismatic vibes from Mark2. He’s also funny. The spelling thing to me looks a like a spleen he’s cultivated to amuse himself, but a pattern analysis might be enlightening. I see that it’s sometimes switched off to convey more nuanced verbiage, as it generally doesn’t impede actual readability much, which weighs against any sort of automation. Posted by: persiflo | Apr 7 2025 10:18 utc | 147 Posted by: persiflo | Apr 7 2025 10:18 utc | 147 Posted by: Avtonom | Apr 7 2025 10:45 utc | 148
Russian war correspondent Chingis Dambiev has published what he says is the result of the strike on Magellan Cafe in Krivoy Rog: video. We can see that the missile has hit the cafe with surgical precision, given it’s located right next to residential buildings. Posted by: S | Apr 7 2025 10:57 utc | 149 His spelling is compatible with being a victim of the British educational system. Posted by: Night Tripper | Apr 7 2025 11:12 utc | 150 Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 6 2025 21:04 utc | 58 Posted by: pepe | Apr 7 2025 11:14 utc | 151 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Apr 7 2025 9:26 utc | 144 Posted by: Savonarole | Apr 7 2025 11:29 utc | 152 LoveDonbass 102 – The USCG only has two operational heavy ocean ice breakers, the Healy and the Polar Star, and recently purchased the Storis from offshore oil explorers. The Polar Wind is non operational, and is now in the reserve fleet and is being used for parts for the Polar Star. Posted by: tobias cole | Apr 7 2025 12:07 utc | 153 Posted by: Savonarole | Apr 7 2025 11:29 utc | 152 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Apr 7 2025 12:29 utc | 154 MiniMO@124……if Russia is fighting an existential war, why does it trade with its enemies, where are the internment camps for dissidents, in “print” Russia is fighting an existential war, in reality, it’s an MMA piss up between drunks…..they should fight the war, or fuck off with there OrShrink stand off bull shit….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 7 2025 12:30 utc | 155 137 – “Aliens will help the AFU.” Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 7 2025 12:40 utc | 156
Funny. Because its true. Posted by: Juan Moment | Apr 7 2025 12:48 utc | 157 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Apr 7 2025 12:29 utc | 154
And this is the heart of the problem. America can just bankrupt you and bring your nation to its knees without firing a single shot. The rest of the world should have been networking and building trade deals to at least have some defense vs this sort of economic blackmail. But they were too stupid and greedy, now they pay the price. Posted by: bored | Apr 7 2025 12:51 utc | 158 135 – Was your Russian good enough to tell the difference between Russian and Ukrainian? I sometimes hear Russian spoken in London – I don’t know if they’re Russians or Ukrainians, of whom there are many, who prefer to speak Russian and may not even know Ukrainian. Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 7 2025 12:52 utc | 159 135 – Re the flea market photo, that looks like a bust of Pushkin on. Who might not be acceptable now as he was a Russian. Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 7 2025 12:57 utc | 160 104 – I avoid it though he comes up in my Youtube feed. The latest says something about 50 Russian divisions in the Zaporozhe area. Something has got lost in translation as the largest tactical unit on both sides seems to be the brigade. Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 7 2025 13:04 utc | 161 @ Juan Moment | Apr 7 2025 12:48 utc | 157 Posted by: malenkov | Apr 7 2025 13:05 utc | 162 The rest of the world should have been networking and building trade deals to at least have some defense vs this sort of economic blackmail. But they were too stupid and greedy, now they pay the price. Posted by: rk | Apr 7 2025 13:07 utc | 163 Ukrainian Congressional rep from Indiana, Victoria Spartz, told the Daily Telegraph, “I just don’t see how Ukraine can be positioned to demand to keep the land. If they would be winning the war, that will be very different.” Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 7 2025 13:10 utc | 164 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FUzF9WUiXk Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 7 2025 13:14 utc | 165 Dima, in his twice daily weather forecast, has mentioned that the area near Petrovsk has seen snow and strafing winds and then rain and soggy conditions for the past week, which has contributed to the rasputitsa and an overall slow-down in battle happenings. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 7 2025 13:22 utc | 166 Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 7 2025 13:14 utc | 165 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 7 2025 13:24 utc | 167 135 – Was your Russian good enough to tell the difference between Russian and Ukrainian? I sometimes hear Russian spoken in London – I don’t know if they’re Russians or Ukrainians, of whom there are many, who prefer to speak Russian and may not even know Ukrainian. Posted by: Ost Rentner | Apr 7 2025 13:38 utc | 168 here for some quality german humor, curtesy of “der spiegel”:
(note, this is not humor. we germans are really this petty when it comes to anything russian) Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 7 2025 13:40 utc | 169 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 7 2025 4:18 utc | 126 Posted by: CeaClearly | Apr 7 2025 13:47 utc | 170
Very interesting. I had a relative who was a nurse in Berlin when it fell, but no info from her. My Opa from the Ruhr Valley pointed out the meadows behind the cemetary to me once, where the US machinegunned dozens of Wehrmacht POW. I was young, but remember it clearly, as he was shaken, but didn’t really say who shot whom; I only found out later. Posted by: persiflo | Apr 7 2025 13:51 utc | 171 https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2025/04/04/a-canadian-dreamed-of-being-a-fighter-pilot-now-he-dogfights-with-russian-drones/ Posted by: morongobill | Apr 7 2025 13:57 utc | 172
Let me second that. I had a good friend Yuri from Czernowitz; that’s Bukovina, so somewhat special, but he told me that before the big war there were seven languages quite commonly use there; he said inscriptions in shops. I had a polish girlfriend at the time, so was taking some language courses at the University, and as I figured Ukrainian was fairly close, I got me a textbook of Ukrainian. I remember it was a very high quality Soviet print. When I showed this to Yuri, he just waved it off, ‘Pah! That’s the language of a peasant!’ and proceeded to explain how Russian was the language of literature and culture, sure enough mentioning Pushkin first. Of the many Ukrainians I got know, none ever reported any connection to the Ukrainian language whatsoever. Btw, the Poles didn’t either. Posted by: persiflo | Apr 7 2025 14:10 utc | 173 Posted by: rk | Apr 7 2025 13:07 utc | 163 Posted by: bored | Apr 7 2025 14:12 utc | 174 @bored | Apr 7 2025 14:12 utc. Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Apr 7 2025 14:29 utc | 176 rk@163…..you are discounting the 4th industrial revolution…. drones and robotics….humans need not apply… Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 7 2025 14:59 utc | 177 @Activist Potato | Apr 7 2025 1:24 utc | 108 Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 7 2025 15:27 utc | 178 @MiniMO | Apr 7 2025 3:49 utc | 120
Young people don’t have life savings, so they are ‘protected’ that way. Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 7 2025 15:30 utc | 179 Posted by: rk | Apr 7 2025 13:07 utc | 163 Posted by: Beobachter | Apr 7 2025 15:32 utc | 180 So let’s reconsider who’s the winner here WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT. Posted by: natrat | Apr 7 2025 15:45 utc | 181 Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Apr 7 2025 14:29 utc | 176 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 7 2025 15:52 utc | 182 With all due disclaimers that the stock market isn’t the economy, it’s interesting that the Chinese stock market is +4% since Trump’s inauguration. US is -10% or -12%. Posted by: Billb | Apr 7 2025 15:52 utc | 183 New post by S Posted by: Newbie | Apr 7 2025 15:56 utc | 184 A shot in the knee…or sheer madness? Posted by: berthold | Apr 7 2025 16:03 utc | 185 Per Christofouro during his 7 April walkaround in Cyprus: Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 7 2025 16:10 utc | 186 For a little perspective on the global economy. Posted by: Nobody Special | Apr 7 2025 16:14 utc | 187 to add to the current level of statefunded propaganda in germany, we have some problems with schools beeing “threatened” by anonymous (heh, not ours) sources claiming they want to “cleanse” the children with migration background and all that “rightwing” stuff one can expect during elections. Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 7 2025 16:14 utc | 188 Beobachter@1550 Apr 7 Posted by: aristodemos | Apr 7 2025 16:36 utc | 189 Speaking w/ Russia 1 TV after his D.C. trip, Demetriev indicated that U.S. business leaders and entrepreneurs are onboard for SPIEF—the Saint Petersburg International Economic Forum in late May. He expected they would join in w/ other participants in the panels & plenary discussions. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 7 2025 16:49 utc | 190 For any Truth seekers who aren’t already watching Borzzikman’s excellent YT page:
Posted by: Will Seymore | Apr 7 2025 16:49 utc | 191 Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 6 2025 21:56 utc | 75 Posted by: Beobachter | Apr 7 2025 16:53 utc | 192 173 – I have always found Ukrainian to have a remarkable amount of Polish vocabulary, without which it would probably be much more like Russian. (My native language is English but I have a good command of Russian and a fair command of Polish.) Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 7 2025 17:40 utc | 193 @Waldorf above – Yes, that’s what I gathered as well. I’m not a linguist, but there’s the reason why some say it’s but a russian dialect. I wonder who, when and why, exactly, introduced this extra letter they have … hmm. Posted by: persiflo | Apr 7 2025 18:12 utc | 194 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mBcItg8iRB0 Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 7 2025 19:28 utc | 195 Must be from all that readiness to continue fighting.
Posted by: boneless | Apr 7 2025 19:44 utc | 196
Like you, I’ve spent a fair few years in Germany, back in the 80’s and 90’s. Mainly in the south western parts, where the US had, and I guess still has, a bunch of army bases. My impression back then was that not all, mainly those who remembered the war or born in the years straight after, did have a certain dislike for the “Amis”. I recall this one lady who told me her father was killed by a group of GI’s simply for giving them cheek. Who knows if true, but with stories like that still doing the rounds 30 years after the war, I wasn’t surprised at the animosity held by some. Posted by: Juan Moment | Apr 7 2025 21:47 utc | 197 DS map info: Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 7 2025 22:27 utc | 198 Posted by: Newbie | Apr 7 2025 15:56 utc | 185 Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 7 2025 22:46 utc | 199 Re Nietzsche: Study much harder… Posted by: Naive | Apr 7 2025 22:58 utc | 200 |
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