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April 6, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-072
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Per Demetriev in an interview w/ Russia 1: “I was surprised that not only is American society being led to believe that it is Russia that is violating the limited ceasefire on energy infrastructure, but even several key people in the administration are unaware that it is actually Ukraine that is striking Russian energy infrastructure.” Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 6 2025 14:43 utc | 1 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 6 2025 14:43 utc | 1 Posted by: smartfox | Apr 6 2025 15:14 utc | 2 @ steel_porcupine | Apr 6 2025 14:43 utc | 1 Posted by: smartfox | Apr 6 2025 15:25 utc | 3 I don’t know how many patrons at this bar paid attention to Cavoli’s testimony in front of the Senate. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2025 15:39 utc | 4 Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 4th April 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly Posted by: The Busker | Apr 6 2025 15:57 utc | 5 So… Before our faithful DS fan arrives. Posted by: Newbie | Apr 6 2025 16:06 utc | 6 The war in Ukraine should continue because it’s eating away Outlaw US of A weaponry and resources fast…and Trump is eating away Outlaw US of A savings with his tariffs. Posted by: pepe | Apr 6 2025 16:27 utc | 7 Another Ukrainian ‘Maidan veteran’ was destroyed during SMO. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 6 2025 16:47 utc | 8 Posted by: pepe | Apr 6 2025 16:27 utc | 7 Posted by: bored | Apr 6 2025 16:49 utc | 9 Per the Sunday Times: globalists like UK’s Sir Keir plan to admit that globalization has failed. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 6 2025 16:54 utc | 10 Developments indicate to me that the Russian Federation has indeed long been following a plan to perform a The Great Gatsby style of bankrupting the abilities of the AFU, and the credibility of the Zelenskyy regime in Kiev. It’s happening a little bit at a time, and slowly enough and along a wide front, so that the West can’t excite its voters enough to get them to ask for a major intervention by NATO military forces. And then when the collapse happens, all at once, clean solutions to the conflict will seem obvious. Bye-bye Zelenskyy and Banderism, hello to the Russian Federation having claim to the formerly disputed regions and to whatever ground it forces occupy. The details can be negotiated. Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 6 2025 16:59 utc | 11 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 6 2025 16:54 utc | 10 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 6 2025 17:01 utc | 12 Imo, a major problem for the AFU is that its new recruits are in general not suitable as replacements on the front lines for the only kind of warfare the AFU seems to be able to wage with a degree of competence. Small unit tactics requires the soldiers being used to be motivated to perform in an aggressive, high energy, manner while on the offensive, and with a near suicidal resolve when performing holding actions. Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 6 2025 17:09 utc | 13 perform in an aggressive, high energy, manner while on the offensive, and with a near suicidal resolve when performing holding actions. Posted by: too scents | Apr 6 2025 17:15 utc | 14 Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 6 2025 16:59 utc | 11 Posted by: smartfox | Apr 6 2025 17:16 utc | 15 Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 6 2025 17:09 utc | 13 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 6 2025 17:24 utc | 16 Posted by: smartfox | Apr 6 2025 17:16 utc | 15 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 6 2025 17:27 utc | 17 LoveDonbass@1539 Apr 6 Posted by: aristodemos | Apr 6 2025 17:28 utc | 18 Pepe @1627 Apr 6 Posted by: aristodemos | Apr 6 2025 17:33 utc | 19 Barflies, I see an atmosphere of suspense! I see that the great victory of the Bear was not the human aspect (because the Ukrainian workforce proved to be very good!), it was not the technological aspect (drones and Western ISR caused and continue to cause a lot of trouble!), it was not the tactical aspect (Kursk, for example, was not a cakewalk!)… Posted by: Elber | Apr 6 2025 18:06 utc | 20 Posted by: Elber | Apr 6 2025 18:06 utc | 20 Posted by: Elber | Apr 6 2025 18:12 utc | 21 !–Ovechkin–! Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 6 2025 18:16 utc | 22 Simple prediction: Posted by: smartfox | Apr 6 2025 18:31 utc | 23 The critical factor in this war looks to be the Azov gangs. If they obey oligarchs, then peace can be achieved. If they are a law unto themselves, then negotiating is hopeless. Either Russia kills off several million male Ukrainians or plays whack a mole in a frustrating game of “Get The Nazi”. However, I repeat, that if they are self directed, then their disunity can be exploited by making them local warlords in a broken up Ukraine. Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 6 2025 18:32 utc | 24 THE NEWS THAT WAS FIT TO PRINT YESTERDAY DOESN’T FIT TODAY
Posted by: Exile | Apr 6 2025 18:32 utc | 25 Glenn Diesen’s substack: “Negotiations Stall in Ukraine, Fighting Intensifies” Posted by: WMG | Apr 6 2025 18:32 utc | 26 Posted by: too scents | Apr 6 2025 17:15 utc | 14 Posted by: Ogre | Apr 6 2025 18:40 utc | 27 Note to self. Dont drive a 80 ton vehicle into a peat bog. All peat bogs must be posted with neon signs that inform of the danger! It is this dangerous exclusion of safety signs that caused these tragic deaths. Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 6 2025 18:45 utc | 28
with a video on telegram showing how neatly they packed the stuff into the car frame. another terrorist plot from nato. Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 6 2025 18:54 utc | 29 Im sure the SBU speedily and efficiently destroyed this. Id bet two dollars this came from recently refurbished Syria facilities. Never let a good war go to waste. Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 6 2025 18:56 utc | 30
Thanks. Not much to laugh about these days so this one saved my day. Posted by: Avtonom | Apr 6 2025 18:59 utc | 31 They really hate Glenn Diesen. I hope he stays safe. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 6 2025 19:05 utc | 32 6) World War Is imminent; all that’s missing are nuclear weapons, but the destruction in Europe and Russia is considerable. Posted by: Original Newbie | Apr 6 2025 19:07 utc | 33 Posted by: smartfox | Apr 6 2025 18:31 utc | 23 Posted by: Avtonom | Apr 6 2025 19:07 utc | 34 There was a story on RT about the Belarusians intercepting a van that was basically all explosive under the floor and walls. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2025 19:17 utc | 35 Military Situation In Ukraine And Russia’s Kursk Region On April 6, 2025 (Maps Update) Posted by: smartfox | Apr 6 2025 19:24 utc | 36 It is amazing jiw confident is the EU. They sr going to attack Russia very soon. Posted by: vargas | Apr 6 2025 19:25 utc | 37 @ Avtonom | Apr 6 2025 19:07 utc | 34 Posted by: smartfox | Apr 6 2025 19:37 utc | 38 Posted by: smartfox | Apr 6 2025 19:24 utc | 36 Posted by: Naive | Apr 6 2025 19:38 utc | 39 Posted by: vargas | Apr 6 2025 19:25 utc | 37 Posted by: Naive | Apr 6 2025 19:40 utc | 40 @ vargas | Apr 6 2025 19:25 utc | 37 Posted by: smartfox | Apr 6 2025 19:40 utc | 41 Posted by: smartfox | Apr 6 2025 18:31 utc | 23 Posted by: Naive | Apr 6 2025 19:44 utc | 42 Naive | Apr 6 2025 19:40 utc | 40 Posted by: smartfox | Apr 6 2025 19:45 utc | 43 #12-steel-porcupine-Thank you Very Stable Genius President Donald John Trump(VSGPDJT) for destroying WEF whores in just -2days !!!!!! Posted by: pepe | Apr 6 2025 16:27 utc | 7 Posted by: David | Apr 6 2025 19:48 utc | 45 aristodemos@19…..so I’m in the Medical Supply Shop getting an ice machine for my shoulder, pre opp, it’s busy in there, six kiosks going, and the behind the counter staff are bantering about lunch, some how chicken McNuggets comes up in their conversation, several faces frowned, one gal say, do you even know what’s in them? There was silence from the group (mixed sex, and ethnicity, even a nice Ukie sales girl I’d met the week before)…..so I, leprechaun that I am, answered the question, “dog?” says I….. they’ll never forget that lunch conversation….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 6 2025 19:48 utc | 46 It’s always challenging to predict, but I don’t think Trump will take on Iran. Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Apr 6 2025 20:07 utc | 47 Posted by: smartfox | Apr 6 2025 19:45 utc | 43 Posted by: eol | Apr 6 2025 20:11 utc | 48 Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Apr 6 2025 20:07 utc | 47 Posted by: Eol | Apr 6 2025 20:19 utc | 49 It is amazing jiw confident is the EU. They sr going to attack Russia very soon. Posted by: malenkov | Apr 6 2025 20:26 utc | 50
Lovely summary, mostly familiar, but some lesser known gems. It is well known that William Randolph Hearst fueled American support for the Spanish-American War. But Morgan’s role is less discussed:
The importance of full spectrum dominance of the media space for more than a century cannot be overestimated. Posted by: Drifter | Apr 6 2025 20:30 utc | 51 some weeks ago was “chatter” re Tymoshenko the somewhat tainted dunious choice of last resort-?-ex Ukr Prime Mminister taking on a role to replacethe z whethertemporary of permanently …hmm. Posted by: Jo | Apr 6 2025 20:35 utc | 52 budanov:
cant have the cattle know they are beeing sent to the slaughter. Posted by: Justpassinby | Apr 6 2025 20:41 utc | 53 Big feature in Sunday Times (UK) today on “Putin’s underwater war” and the plucky Brits stopping Russians from damaging pipelines (no self-awareness there!), dragging anchors over fibre cables etc etc. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Apr 6 2025 20:46 utc | 54 Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Apr 6 2025 20:07 utc | 47 Posted by: smartfox | Apr 6 2025 20:49 utc | 55 Are we being “prepped” for a conflict maybe NOT involving the US? Posted by: smartfox | Apr 6 2025 20:54 utc | 56 And here’s the Mail: Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Apr 6 2025 20:55 utc | 57 Are we being “prepped” for a conflict maybe NOT involving the US? Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 6 2025 21:04 utc | 58 *** No wonder America lost in Ukraine. Their perception of reality is dangerously skewed. *** Posted by: frithguild | Apr 6 2025 21:05 utc | 59 It is amazing that Poroshenko and Tymoshenko are being touted as peace candidates to replace Zelensky.
As for the ‘lovely’ soulless monster Tymoshenko, in 2014 she discussed nuclear genocide as the solution for the 8 million ‘Russians’ living in Ukraine.
Posted by: Drifter | Apr 6 2025 21:10 utc | 60 Not news about ukraine but a small doubt. Posted by: Newbie | Apr 6 2025 21:16 utc | 61 Posted by: smartfox | Apr 6 2025 19:45 utc | 43 Posted by: Naive | Apr 6 2025 21:21 utc | 62 Russia continues its advances in Ukraine.. BRICS plus is growing and continues to use the dollar.. what happens if the BRICS countries start saving instead of spending their Treasury bond dollars? A situation I think possible to happen as a result of the Tariffs. Posted by: snake | Apr 6 2025 21:21 utc | 63 What kind of brutes could possibly blow up a gas pipeline? Posted by: smartfox | Apr 6 2025 21:24 utc | 64
Exactly this! I have periodically observed Tucker Carlson from early in his career. Despite his marketing as a typical upper middle class WASP family man, his intellectual mediocrity shines through. If he had been born into a lower middle class family he would have struggled to become a manager at a retail store. Posted by: Drifter | Apr 6 2025 21:29 utc | 65 Posted by: snake | Apr 6 2025 21:21 utc | 63 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2025 21:35 utc | 66 Really. I can’t understand the necessity of being so egocentric. Posted by: Same | Apr 6 2025 21:37 utc | 67 reply to 60 Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 6 2025 21:40 utc | 68 4 LoveDonbass Posted by: Jo | Apr 6 2025 21:42 utc | 69 Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 4th April 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly Posted by: English Outsider | Apr 6 2025 21:46 utc | 70 Posted by: Jo | Apr 6 2025 21:42 utc | 69 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2025 21:49 utc | 71 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 6 2025 10:48 utc | 125 (previous Ukraine thread)
https://www.rt.com/russia/615281-russia-germanys-ww2-snub/
So political shenanigans (e.g. Baerbock) aside, I’m not quite getting what should stop Germany from celebrating the defeat of fascism alongside Russia. Posted by: joey_n | Apr 6 2025 21:51 utc | 72 Posted by: Elber | Apr 6 2025 18:06 utc | 20 Posted by: Elber | Apr 6 2025 21:54 utc | 73 He is an idiot, yes. Posted by: Same | Apr 6 2025 21:55 utc | 74 DS daily map update: Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 6 2025 21:56 utc | 75 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2025 21:35 utc | 66 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Apr 6 2025 22:03 utc | 76 And, what he is saying is be better than your ridiculous ego. Be honest, because you gonna reproduce the same ridiculous personality. Posted by: Same | Apr 6 2025 22:04 utc | 77 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Apr 6 2025 22:03 utc | 76 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2025 22:20 utc | 78 some delusional elucidation here perhaps Posted by: Jo | Apr 6 2025 22:21 utc | 79 No problem. Posted by: Same | Apr 6 2025 22:23 utc | 80 Posted by: Same | Apr 6 2025 21:55 utc | 74 Posted by: Naive | Apr 6 2025 22:26 utc | 81 English Outsider | Apr 6 2025 21:46 utc | 70 Posted by: Markw | Apr 6 2025 22:27 utc | 82 Posted by: Elber | Apr 6 2025 21:54 utc | 73 Posted by: Naive | Apr 6 2025 22:32 utc | 83
Yes, and good point. Old school Methamphetamine is truly dark stuff, as the dopamine rush is so intense that basically anything feels just alright. You can stand in a line for hours in Buddha mode (and be quite talkative), but you may just as well get angry or even bloodthirsty. The Collateral Murder video gives me strong impression the Apache crew was high on something like this – the absolute nonchalance while totally dedicated upon killing some random strangers, and then some more, from afar is very suspect. The addictive properties are in a wholly different league to standard amphetamine for this reason as well. Luftwaffe pilots had it on them in case they were shot down, and Stuka Pilot Hans-Ulrich Rudel describes such an instance, ending in his dramatic escape. He says he lost the “Fliegerschokolade” while swimming through a river, but — — Posted by: persiflo | Apr 6 2025 22:42 utc | 84 @18: Posted by: KevinB | Apr 6 2025 22:46 utc | 85 Aristodemos 18 – read the excellent book by Professor Peter Peterson “Propaganda for War” published in 1935. Posted by: tobias cole | Apr 6 2025 22:47 utc | 86 Will the Brits and the London bankers who have backed the Kieve regime with many billions, attempt to force the US into a shooting war with RF? Posted by: tobias cole | Apr 6 2025 22:54 utc | 87 Mercouris describes him as “a non-entity and a fanatic.” This is Sir Keir. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 6 2025 22:55 utc | 88 Exactly this! I have periodically observed Tucker Carlson from early in his career.*** Posted by: frithguild | Apr 6 2025 23:03 utc | 89 @smartfox | Sun, 06 Apr 2025 20:54:00 GMT | 56
After the Frogs and Tommies announced their Potemkin’s Unternehmen Zitadelle, I’m inclined to believe the Krauts got handed the job of building auxiliary aircraft carriers for sea control this time. The aim: “a card” for the negotiations. It sounds like something ChatGPT could come up with, but it’s still less stupid than the real thing. Posted by: persiflo | Apr 6 2025 23:05 utc | 90 The UK reportedly suspects that the leisure vessels may used for spying on nuclear submarines Posted by: smartfox | Apr 6 2025 23:08 utc | 91 The U.S. does not have credible leverage over Russia. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 6 2025 23:44 utc | 92 I mean, you just have to say it: if the U.S. cannot find a financial workaround for restarting the grain deal via the Black Sea, which the second round of Riyadh talks focused on massively, then that indicates a lack of imagination & innovation on the part of the U.S. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 6 2025 23:55 utc | 93
Not really … China has had plenty of opportunities to dump, and they would make a big loss of they did. Instead they are slowly drawing down their US treasury portfolio. The high point was 1.3 Trillion but now they are almost down to half of that. Posted by: Tel | Apr 6 2025 23:56 utc | 94 @KevinB | Sun, 06 Apr 2025 22:46:00 GMT | 85
Most posters here aren’t known for their historical accuracy, especially the ones who ramble on about “hidden powers” “the powers that be” “ruling cabals” “deep state” or “false flags”. They just want to rant at a place where their precious worldviews won’t be challenged. It’s one reason I reduced my posting. Posted by: James M. | Apr 6 2025 23:56 utc | 95 You can be sure the Ukrainians are doped with a near lethal dose. Posted by: Activist Potato | Apr 7 2025 0:10 utc | 96 What’s becoming obvious: the Russians have never *not known* the extent to which the U.S. was directing & guiding its proxy in the war against Russia, choosing targets, selecting weapons, providing data sets, etc. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 7 2025 0:13 utc | 97
What they are trying to do is force China to choose between trade with Russia and trade with the USA. If China so much as buys any oil and gas from Russia then the 500% tariff will apply to all Chinese exports into the USA. That’s economic brinkmanship. Posted by: Tel | Apr 7 2025 0:16 utc | 98 Re: Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 6 2025 15:39 utc | 4
You have such a bizarre definition of ” WINNING “ – or even ALREADY WON . Posted by: Julian | Apr 7 2025 0:17 utc | 99 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 7 2025 0:13 utc | 97 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 7 2025 0:29 utc | 100 |
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