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April 10, 2025
Trump’s Market Whiplash Continues

Yesterday's piece had warned about the curious drop in Treasurys and rise of interest rates. It was a dire sign that the global economy and markets far beyond Wall Street were going bad.

The Trump administration recognized the danger and, just fifteen minutes after I had published my post, pulled back (archived):

The economic turmoil, particularly a rapid rise in government bond yields, caused Mr. Trump to blink on Wednesday afternoon and pause his “reciprocal” tariffs for most countries for the next 90 days, according to four people with direct knowledge of the president’s decision.

Asked to explain the decision, Mr. Trump told reporters: “Well, I thought that people were jumping a little bit out of line. They were getting yippy, you know, they were getting a little bit yippy, a little bit afraid.”

Behind the scenes, senior members of Mr. Trump’s team had feared a financial panic that could spiral out of control and potentially devastate the economy. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent and others on the president’s team, including Vice President JD Vance, had been pushing for a more structured approach to the trade conflict that would focus on isolating China as the worst actor while still sending a broader message that Mr. Trump was serious.

This does not mean that the trouble has ended.

Who is going to invest, into what, while any day, at any moment, the most basic economic conditions may change in completely unpredictable directions:

Asked on Wednesday how he would decide on any further exemptions, Mr. Trump said: “Instinctively, more than anything else. I mean, you almost can’t take a pencil to paper. It’s really more of an instinct, I think, than anything else.”

By admitting that Trump acknowledges that he is the real problem.

How can I decide to invest in a new car when by delivery date the tariffs and interests involved might have changed in unforeseeable directions? On what basis can I trust Trump's instincts? I can't and won't. The same will hold for much bigger investment decisions.

For once the Washington Post editorial is getting it right (archived):

The bond markets forced Trump’s hand. By moving their money out of dollars and selling U.S. Treasury bonds, investors told Trump what his closest advisers would not about the perils of starting trade wars with all other countries at once. Trillions in value were wiped out in equity markets, and the financial system blinked red with indicators of contagion.

Finally, bond yields began to forecast calamity — especially the alarming sell-off of 10-year Treasurys. In times of panic, these bonds usually attract investors. Their failure to do so this time reflected declining confidence that the U.S. government would repay its debts.

After Trump finally announced the tariff pause, the S&P 500 closed up 9.5 percent and the tech-heavy Nasdaq gained 12 percent. The news is indeed worth rejoicing. But keep in mind that the 90-day pause will last only until July 8, and in the meantime the trade war with China might continue to escalate. In other words, investors, business and consumers will still be living with uncertainty. For the long term, Trump and his team are well advised to come up with a less volatile economic strategy.

Until Trump settles on a predictable course the global carnage will continue.

Comments

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 11 2025 5:07 utc | 197
§| newbie barflies… ya reckon he’s new?
Hmmm, there’s something very familiar about his style.
I think he’s been here awhile, with various usernoms.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 11 2025 5:59 utc | 201

Invest in land.
mortgage free.
Not for speculation.
that has water.
and the capacity to grow food.
and provide wood for heat and then fertility.
Cannot. go. wrong.
No matter what ‘finance guru’ boomer say or how tech heads ridicule ‘boring backward thinking.’
Capitalist fuck heads might get rich, but they ALWAYS miss the boat on truly GOOD investments. They got no staying power or foresight and they take everybody down with them.
Get off the merry go round.
Better yet, don’t get on it to begin with.
Intact and/or restored land is real integrity in every sense of the word.

Posted by: Iriish | Apr 11 2025 6:09 utc | 202

“Hmmm, there’s something very familiar about his style.
I think he’s been here awhile, with various usernoms.”
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 11 2025 5:59 utc | 203
I’ve been reading here for a very long time. You guys shouldn’t try to be so aggressive against people you identify as “new”. Are you circling the wagons? Do you really want to be an isolated community? Serious question.

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 11 2025 6:10 utc | 203

Ban check. Looks like I will have to make multiple posts, paragraph by paragraph, until I find the offending one.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 11 2025 6:19 utc | 204

Didn’t know so many here are Trots hoping for China to exhaust itself expending its limited resources fighting multiple economic and military wars so that China ends up overextending itself and collapsing like the Soviet Union, despite these Trots’ post histories demonstrating that they’re aware of the dollar’s exorbitant privilege as a reserve currency allowing America to afford costly blunder after blunder in a way China cannot.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 11 2025 6:19 utc | 205

Trots just can’t let go of a feud that was historically resolved. Developing the productive forces within one country proved to be a more resilient tactic against imperialist aggression – USSR, Vietnam, Cuba, China and the DPRK are great examples of this. The USSR was organized along Leninist principles, obviously. Maoism (real Maoism, not the bastardized version in vogue in the West) and Socialism with Chinese characteristics are descended from Leninism. Juche is also descended from Leninism (unlike what some insane Trot posted in another MoA thread, the DPRK is not a dictatorship). Western socialists spend all day pointing out the flaws of Actually Existing Socialist countries. Yet, Western socialists cannot produce a single example of a Western nation where socialism is done better. In fact, there isn’t even a single Western socialist nation, in the present or in history.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 11 2025 6:19 utc | 206

Trots are literally hoping and praying for China to be more easily painted as an aggressor, as if the negative public sentiment in the West towards China and the system it’s associated with – communism – isn’t bad enough already.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 11 2025 6:19 utc | 207

I can’t stand Wolff, but I really like Hudson. I wish Hudson would do more interviews without that Wolff being there to screw it up.

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 11 2025 6:19 utc | 208

This reminds me of a certain Australian drawing made in 1886, the Mongolian Octopus. It depicts a Qing-era Chinaman with octopus tentacles, with each tentacle representing some societal ill that can be traced back to the Chinaman – “cheap labour”, “opium” (the hypocrisy of accusing the Chinese as opium peddlers when it was the West that forced the Chinese to buy opium), “small pox”, “typhoid” and “customs robbery”. Remind you of anything in the 21st century? Like maybe Chinese overcapacity, Chinese fentanyl, China virus/COVID-19, China robbing us by giving us cheap products in exchange for USD that the Chinese then use to buy US Treasury bonds.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 11 2025 6:19 utc | 209

I don’t know why anyone expected Trump’s half-baked Tariff scheme to differ from his half-baked real estate and property schemes.
His entire business career has been characterised by jumping feet first into a whimsical enterprise and walking away from the failures – leaving everyone else to clean up the mess and suck up the losses.
His foray into casinos was a financial disaster for everyone except Trump who, as usual, walked away when they failed and blamed everyone but himself.
The only people Trump recognises as ‘experts’ are people in his Echo Chamber who agree with him. He’s always been a half-baked disaster waiting to happen. And he’ll never change because he believes his own bullshit.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 11 2025 6:20 utc | 210

The mainstream media’s anti-China narratives are more easily questioned and challenged by the paucity of evidence of Chinese subterfuge. The lack of evidence is because China actually doesn’t do the NED/CIA regime change game. But no, the Trots want China to act in a way as to furnish undeniable proof of China attacking Western interests. The direct consequence of that would be the the Western labor aristocracy rallying even harder around their imperialistic capitalists, and it would also harden the labor aristocracy’s resolve against adopting communism.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 11 2025 6:20 utc | 211

Good luck with that strategy! 😘
Some of y’all are hoping for another US-styled power with socialist branding instead of an actual socialist alternative. What the Trots will never actually do: start a mass movement, start a revolution in the West, bring down the capitalists from the inside where the capitalists are most vulnerable.
Trots and MAGA cultists deserve each other. Unironically.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 11 2025 6:21 utc | 212

If I partition my post, I don’t have to do a single edit and it all goes through. Strange.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 11 2025 6:22 utc | 213

Safety warning.
“Jumping off a roof is safe”
is quite different from
“Jumping off a roof can be safe”
It should be made clear that jumping off a roof can both be perfectly safe and also unavoidably fatal.
There is no contradiction in this.
To be skeptical isn’t the same as making a choice between “flat Earth” and “hollow Earth”.
I might write more later, busy day.
Doctors in case you’re wondering 😛

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 11 2025 7:24 utc | 214

Your posts are always challenging in a good way, All Under Heaven. I found this line to be extremely thought-provoking:
“Trots and MAGA cultists deserve each other. Unironically.”

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 11 2025 7:27 utc | 215

[…] I note you two cheering on the financialization of the talkboard, which would have been unheard of just four months ago.
Posted by: Spectator | Apr 11 2025 5:21 utc | 199

“financialization of the talkboard”. You are a crack up. For anyone who only recently blew into MoA it might appear that way, but those who’ve been frequenting Bernhard’s watering place for many years know his keen interest in and commentary on the world of global finance. MoA has a long history, going back to the mid 2000s, and over the years many highly knowledgeable contributors chimed in on discussions concerning the ins and out of economics.

[…] I’ve been reading here for a very long time. You guys shouldn’t try to be so aggressive against people you identify as “new”. […]
Posted by: Spectator | Apr 11 2025 6:10 utc | 205

Sure. “A long time”. Lolz. Which would make your mischaracterization of “the talkboard” even more hilarious.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Apr 11 2025 7:31 utc | 216

The stock market is nothing but a silly game for rich people. From such a source we might occasionally read something about the shallow, frenetic souls of rich people. For those who care. (Otherwise, you can chill, imho.)
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 10 2025 12:48 utc | 26
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I don’t agree.
Millions of Americans have their pensions invested in the stock market, bonds, etc. Pension funds pay managers to manage the pension funds so that the beneficiaries can get their pensions.
Some people—probably mostly the self-employed—also have the pension they saved up over their working lives invested in the stock market, bonds, etc. Most of them probably also pay someone to manage the investments.
Many people also manage their own investments.
In the USA, absent the markets most people would not have a pension.
For most people Social Security is not enough to retire on.
Where does YOUR pension come from, Aleph?
Posted by: Jane | Apr 11 2025 0:43 utc | 172

What this episode has exposed is that there are too many Americans from oligarchs to the Marxists (Gruff excluded) who have a vested interest in keeping the system as is. It’s fine and dandy to rail against US corporations exploiting third world peasants just as long as long as no action is taken that hurts their pension funds, 401k’s and stock portfolios.
It’s a win/win for the alleged Marxists. You get to maintain your funds by investing in companies that earn mega profits through the exploitation of third world peasants whilst simultaneously being virtuous by publically railing at the said injustice that maintains your wealth.
The oligarchs don’t give a fuck about the working class but neither do the Marxists. The rust belt can continue to rust if that is what it takes to maintain their fund wealth.
The sheer horror at the thought of having to pay extra for the latest iPhone.

Posted by: Down South | Apr 11 2025 7:46 utc | 217

Didn’t know so many here are Trots hoping for China to exhaust itself expending its limited resources fighting multiple economic and military wars.
Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 11 2025 6:19 utc | 207
I’m sure there are those that are pushing that ideology here but I am not one of them.
When I speak about China, Russia or even Iran taking a more aggressive approach to the Empire its from the perspective of their own self interest.

i.e They should do this in order to take the initiative in war for their self-preservation.

I don’t suggest they do this simply to be “saviours of the world”. In fact I advise against it because that is the same ideology which results in the U.S.A – a saviour complex. A sense of entitlement that the world owes you for saving it.
The principle is simple:
In combat it is mostly the attacking side which has the strategic advantage. China, Russia and Iran are fighting from a position of weakness, as strong as they may be.
Allowing the U.S the privileged advantage of always being able to dictate the attack is a path to defeat.
Therefore, China needs to re/gain the attacking advantage if it expects to continue existing.
Further: The suggestion is not that they pursue all out war with the Empire, simply that they pursue low-intensity actions to knock the Empire off balance and keep it there … with plausible deniability.
Remember: Even ancient civilisations can be made extinct within the blink of an eye. 5000 years of continuous history can very plausibly vanish in a year through excessive passivity.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2025 8:14 utc | 218

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 11 2025 6:21 utc | 214
You seem to have ‘Trots’ on the brain. Are you all right?

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Apr 11 2025 8:50 utc | 219

In the philosophical literature envy is explicitly excluded from other emotions as irredeemable.
In other words, envy is beyond the pale.
Although obvious, envy is hard to define and the cogency of various specific criticisms of envy depends on what view of that subject is adopted.

Posted by: pepe | Apr 11 2025 9:11 utc | 220

Posted by: Juan Moment | Apr 11 2025 7:31 utc | 218
I know. You were a barfly way before it was cool. The rest are just “poseurs”. Oh sure, MoA has *always* been a discussion board focused primarily on gold prices, US Treasury bill interest rates, stock market prices, and other metrics of speculative financial capitalism. Yeah, right. Pull my other finger.

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 11 2025 9:15 utc | 221

[…] Economics is the underlying connector between all these points. […]
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2025 5:46 utc | 202

Precisely. Financing the genocide in Gaza, spending countless billions on the Ukraine debacle, able to increase the US military budget to $1T, maintaining empire, all relies on having the economic means to do so. Therefore, paying attention to, understanding the States’ financial position, the schemes concocted to delay its inevitable ruin, should be of interest to anyone hoping this devastatingly brutal era of western hegemony is coming to its end.
Mind you, the overlords pulling the strings aren’t American. They may hold US passports and have their HQs in the US, but are essentially globalists, at home just as likely in London, Paris or anywhere else they own multi-million dollar castles and mansions acquired over decades, or should I say centuries. They care as little about the prosperity or stability of the American economy, and by extension the American population as they care about the financial well-being of Ecuador or Cambodia. Whether it is an American being made homeless by unaffordable rents, trapped in menial and poorly paid jobs, whose homes are in foreclosure or who are filing for bankruptcy because they cannot pay their medical bills, or someone in Ghana sleeping in a cardboard box, to those in the driver’s seat it makes no difference.
Americans, in the hundred million and growing, whose incomes and savings are being eroded by predatory business practices and government policies enacted by or on behalf of the banker and industrialist dynasties owning the central banks, living from paycheck to paycheck, impoverished by health care costs, super low minimum wages, etc, and now tariffs and their inflationary impact on cost of living, would be well advised to show solidarity with the Global South. Coz like everyone else on this planet the cabal gets to rule over, they are being milked and once fully drained, made redundant.
That being said, a stock market crash or say a 2008 global financial crisis would at best put a dent in the globalist cabal’s armor, more likely they’ll have engineered it and are handsomely profiting from it, buying up assets for pennies on the dollar, as they have for centuries. So watching the current economic turmoil and hoping the losses incurred would dethrone those soulless parasites, is silly.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Apr 11 2025 10:21 utc | 222

I know. You were a barfly way before it was cool. The rest are just “poseurs”. Oh sure, MoA has *always* been a discussion board focused primarily on gold prices, US Treasury bill interest rates, stock market prices, and other metrics of speculative financial capitalism. Yeah, right. Pull my other finger.
Posted by: Spectator | Apr 11 2025 9:15 utc | 223

“I know. You were a barfly way before it was cool. The rest are just “poseurs”. – I let that one go through to the keeper. Too dumb a comment to even have a swing at it.
I understand comprehension of the written word isn’t your strength, but lets try this again.
You pulled “focused primarily on gold prices, US Treasury bill interest rates, stock market prices,” out of your rectum. Nobody stated that, not even in a round about way. What I did say is that Bernhard does from time to time put the spotlight on economic issues, especially when developments on that front are making headlines, like during the GFC or right now. B and most of his readership have always recognized that economic measures and geopolitical machinations are intrinsically linked, and therefore discussed fiscal happenings and business sentiment more broadly since this blog’s early days.
Rather than spouting indignant nonsense because it was pointed out your comment showed you had no idea of the history of MoA, take some time and read the archive. There are 20 odd years of it. You are sure to learn something. I did.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Apr 11 2025 10:47 utc | 223

@ Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 11 2025 6:22 utc | 215
Yes I have had such issues occasionally – sometimes it had to do with some hidden ‘formating’ if I had copied and pasted some part of the comment I was making.
Which worked when I re typed instead of using the paste!
However while a good post AUH – i must take issue with your conclusion.
@Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 11 2025 6:21 utc | 214
“. What the Trots will never actually do: start a mass movement, start a revolution in the West, bring down the capitalists from the inside where the capitalists are most vulnerable.
Trots and MAGA cultists deserve each other. Unironically. “
Trots and Capitalists are indeed linked. But you need to make the further connections. The former is a creation of the latter and the latter is a creation of Older Forces – then everything falls into place.
The bonfire of the markets and bonds at the same time by its creators os only explained by the fake capitalism/AntiCapitalism neoreligion created over the recent centuries.
When that religions idolators and high priests (economists, media and academia) rend their shirts and wail that they don’t understand , what they were so confidently spouting and indoctrinating otherwise smart intelligent youngsters about new sky faerie bullshit of ‘duh economy stoopid!’ Turd Wayists, Strangulationg Triangulation, neoliberalism con, globalist financial super controlling …
To keep it in bliblical terms Drumty Dumpty is the modern Samson – an ego and celebrity built to order and propagandised to the masses using the sophisticated media and cultural hegemony purveyors.
He is as much a construct as Shelenski is, much as Bozo was and our Fartage and Yaxley-Lenin …and just about every single populists – so called ‘right wingers’, Including Le Penn and AfD.
His job is to pull down the Games Arena now that it has met its nemesis and to use that as a springboard for the shapeshifter owners to get with the ‘winners’, so they can attempt again to take over from inside in a few generations!
The Fed needs to be dismantled, the Income Tax regime that was instigated to keep it fed has to be attacked.
The Bonds that it issued as magik money have to be disappeared leaving the future ‘new republic’ to issue new bonds (Yup the US project has failed, as it goes into purdah.)
The ex-Fed masters will claim first dibs in the queue to replace their own junk private ones.
They will continue to live off centuries more of interest on the interest as they have long become accustomed to.
This is not a war to take down China /Russia /Multipolar Global South anymore.
This is the staged admission of that failed Cold, Economic and Hot wars – which ends with their bunkers and grand palaces in ruins.
Their two hundred year plans have failed – as they try to demamd a compensation is the Levant – that is the simplest answer.
Collective Wastes populations reduced to a new dark age – they always were mere slaves – but now free!
At least the delusional blinkers of lifetimes of bullshit economic nonsense may finally fall. Of the concept of what Money is and what taxes pay for – or not!
Meanwhile the global robber barons as I say melt away, shapeshifting as they have always done through human history and misery – whilst their willing priests provide cover with smoke and mirrors. Cries of ‘why have you forsaken us economic truth gods!! ‘
Blame the Russkies; Blame the Chinese and their ways of socio-economics!
Etc etc.
Trots are Capitalists!
The maga ‘deplorable’, populists and the rest of us are just deluded worshippers who think we are different from each other. Oh that sweet delusion of grandeur and superiority that drove empire builders! Whilst distant unknown masters took all the benefits.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 11 2025 10:50 utc | 224

Christine Lagarde, ECB chief just said ‘if she was aware of Fed [US central bank] she would not tell you’.
Take it as Fed is now intervening to stabilize treasury market. It also restores confidence and may stabilize dollar but also provides more fuel for gold.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 11 2025 10:54 utc | 225

Tesla is reportedly not taking any more orders in China. I think China has shut Tesla out of the market, and some analysts say all direct trade between China and USA is now effectively over.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 11 2025 10:55 utc | 226

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 11 2025 10:55 utc | 228
>>>
Very welcoming news indeed.

Posted by: pepe | Apr 11 2025 11:45 utc | 227

Tesla is reportedly not taking any more orders in China.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 11 2025 10:55 utc | 228

For their American manufactured cars. The Chinese sentiment towards Musk has been positive, but now that everything American is Kryptonite maybe he smeared himself?
Japanese car sales in China crashed after the nationalization of the Senkaku Islands (Diaoyu Islands) in 2012, triggering widespread protests and a boycott movement against Japanese goods. Expect the same boycott of everything American.
At this point the Chinese tariff against America is purely performative.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 11 2025 11:50 utc | 228

Long time no post but I hope this destroys the free trade world system and make countries less dependent on others or superpowers.
To each their own!

Posted by: Smith | Apr 11 2025 13:04 utc | 229

The Washington post article gets it WRONG !!
Like they always do….
I will explain
“The bond markets forced Trump’s hand. By moving their money out of dollars and selling U.S. Treasury bonds, investors told Trump what his closest advisers would not about the perils of starting trade wars with all other countries at once. Trillions in value were wiped out in equity markets, and the financial system blinked red with indicators of contagion.”
When you sell a treasury bond you get a reserve balance which are still $’s just without a duration and a coupon. They still get interest paid on their reserves. Which is less interest if they held a treasury bond.
They can spend those $’s in America or just leave them sitting as a reserve balance.
They can exchange them for another currency But the amount of $’s won’t change at the FED. Someone else’s name will now own those $’s. They new owners of these $’s can spend them or save them.
That’s it..
“Finally, bond yields began to forecast calamity — especially the alarming sell-off of 10-year Treasurys. In times of panic, these bonds usually attract investors. Their failure to do so this time reflected declining confidence that the U.S. government would repay its debts.”
Is complete nonsense by the Washington Post. No surprise there.
The FED sets the rate at the FED meetings not the market. Gamblers think the tariffs will cause inflation and they know the FED will stupidly hike rates thinking they will be fighting inflation. So the gamblers are expecting rates to rise again and are getting accordingly.
That’s all that is happening here.
“After Trump finally announced the tariff pause, the S&P 500 closed up 9.5 percent and the tech-heavy Nasdaq gained 12 percent. The news is indeed worth rejoicing. But keep in mind that the 90-day pause will last only until July 8, and in the meantime the trade war with China might continue to escalate. In other words, investors, business and consumers will still be living with uncertainty. For the long term, Trump and his team are well advised to come up with a less volatile economic strategy.”
Is the only truthful part of the Washington Post article.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 11 2025 13:23 utc | 230

The truth is Trumpian Phoneyfart bottled it.
He is full of shit as always and as per usual pivoted towards China.
He doesn’t know what he is doing because Tariffs wasn’t even his idea. They are the brainchild of one – Stephen Miran – who is now the Chair of the US – Council of Economic Advisers – and an economist at a US-based hedge fund.
This is all his idea. He has crossed his fingers behind his back hoping that the US $ appreciates against the currency of the exporting nation then there might be no impact on the domestic price of the good in question.
That is what he has pinned his ideology on.
Here:
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=62467
1. The nominal exchange has to appreciate by “the right amount”.
2. There is essentially no value-added being produced for the good or service in the domestic economy – so all costs embedded in the quoted price (in foreign currency) are foreign.
3. There is full “passthrough from exchange rates to exporter prices” – this becomes a problem for the US because often traded goods are not quoted in foreign prices at the instantiation of the contract but in USD.
In that case, the USD appreciation would just boost the “exporter profit margins” and not alter the price US consumers pay.
4. “Passthrough from wholesale import to retail consumer prices is complete.”
The Chair of the CEA admits that “these assumptions may not hold perfectly”, in which case the offset justification may fail.
Why would the currency appreciate after a tariff was imposed?
The assumption is that the current account (Balance of Trade component) changes in favour of US exports and against US imports, which combined boost relative demand for US dollars.
This is because the rising US dollar price of imports shifts domestic demand away from them to substitutes such as import-competing goods and services.
The Evidence of all this happening :
Is Flimsy at best. Pinning your whole ideology on the $US appreciating by ” just the right amount ” is fairy tale goldilocks economics. Especially when exchange rates are no longer fixed and how volatile FX markets can be.
Where exchange rate effects on trade balances do occur in this direction they take some time to work through.
So Trumpian Phoneyfart bottled it and left Stephen Miran pissing in the wind. Probably due to the fact he has one eye on the midterms.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 11 2025 13:36 utc | 231

EVERYTHING Trumpian Phoneyfart does is somebody else’s ideas.
Mainly ideologically driven by the Heritage Foundation a corporate and business think tank. In other words the top 1%.
EVERY new executive order is written by the Heritage foundation.
Why whenever Phoneyfart is asked about any of his policies he has a brain fart and passes it off to that nutter with the beard that sits on Phonryfart’s shoulder 24/7.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 11 2025 13:44 utc | 232

– There are several people in the Trump administration who hate “everything foreign” and see China as “the big bad wolf”.
– The biggest threat for the US is a SHRINKING Trade Deficit or Current Account Deficit. If / When the US imposes tariffs then that will shrink the Current Account Deficit. If / When the Trade Deficit / Current Account Deficit shrinks by say $ 100 billion then foreign DEMAND for Treasuries will shrink by $ 100 billion AS WELL.
In that regard a US economy that’s in “a recession” (think: should scare the heck out of the current US administration.
– No, the “Trade War” between China and the US is escalating and is far from over because China just right now increased AGAIN its import tariffs on US products.
– How high are the tariffs right now ? I have lost count …………..

Posted by: WMG | Apr 11 2025 13:44 utc | 233

Correction of post # 235:
– There are several people in the Trump administration who hate “everything foreign” and see China as “the big bad wolf”.
– The biggest threat for the US is a SHRINKING Trade Deficit or Current Account Deficit. If / When the US imposes tariffs then that will shrink the Current Account Deficit. If / When the Trade Deficit / Current Account Deficit shrinks by say $ 100 billion then foreign DEMAND for Treasuries will shrink by $ 100 billion AS WELL.
In that regard a US economy that’s in “a recession” (think: shrinking Trade Deficit / Current Account Deficit) should scare the heck AS WELL out of the current US administration.
– No, the “Trade War” between China and the US is escalating and is far from over because China just right now increased AGAIN its import tariffs on US products.
– How high are the tariffs right now ? I have lost count …………..

Posted by: WMG | Apr 11 2025 13:47 utc | 234

So, to sum up, trump got 10% on everybody with others feeling grateful and praying it stays there, and a stop trade with china with prospect that secondary sanctions will make others board in.
Not a shabby result…

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 11 2025 13:55 utc | 235

The biggest threat for the US is a SHRINKING Trade Deficit or Current Account Deficit. If / When the US imposes tariffs then that will shrink the Current Account Deficit. If / When the Trade Deficit / Current Account Deficit shrinks by say $ 100 billion then foreign DEMAND for Treasuries will shrink by $ 100 billion AS WELL.
In that regard a US economy that’s in “a recession” (think: should scare the heck out of the current US administration.
Posted by: WMG | Apr 11 2025 13:44 utc | 235
And as always you haven’t thought it through have you WMG ??
STOP and learn to think for yourself !!!!
When the Trade Deficit / Current Account Deficit shrinks by say $ 100 billion that means foreigners are selling Americans Less stuff.
That’s all it means. It is ALWAYS each and every time about goods and services.
So did America need those goods and services ?
If So where are they going to get them from now ?
For the love of Christ how many times does it need to be said foreigners buying US treasuries DOES NOT fund America.
So if the trade deficit shrunks. Which means foreigners are getting paid less and thus there are less dollars they have to swap for treasuries – So what ?????
The treasury auctions will still be fully sold period !!!!
Why ?
a) Primary dealers must buy them. That is their job and the reason they exist. To make sure the auctions are sold.
b) The FED gives the primary dealers the funds to buy the auction via a reverse repo if need be.
c) The FED can just buy the treasuries back in the secondary market if they want to.
So foreigners having less $’s to buy treasuries means Jack shit. They DON’T and never have funded Anerica. This is not the Eurozone this is America.
In a goods and services and skills sense it means something. Has absolutely nothing to do with how America funds itself.
Here’s some pictures to help you WMG…
DIAGRAMS & DOLLARS: modern money illustrated (Part 1)
https://neweconomicperspectives.org/2014/01/diagrams-dollars-modern-money-illustrated-part-1.html
DIAGRAMS & DOLLARS: modern money illustrated (Part 2)
https://neweconomicperspectives.org/2014/01/diagrams-dollars-modern-money-illustrated-part-2.html

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 11 2025 14:04 utc | 236

Breaking: China raises additional tariffs to 125 pct on imported US products
By Global Times Published: Apr 11, 2025 04:07 PM
China will lift the additional tariffs on products imported from the US to 125 percent from 84 percent, effective from April 12, the Customs Tariff Commission of the State Council announced Friday.
Given that there is no longer any possibility of market acceptance for US goods exported to China under the current tariff levels, if the US side subsequently continues to impose tariffs on Chinese goods exported to the US, the Chinese side will ignore it, according to the commission.

Posted by: JB | Apr 11 2025 14:09 utc | 237

I see steel porcupine has disappeared with his look , look , look ,look treasury yields are falling due to Trumps tariffs.
That didn’t last long did it.
When clearly the FED sets the rate depending on how they view inflation expectations.
They have it all backwards – hike rates thinking that will fight inflation. Cut rates thinking that will cause inflation.
Even though about 30 central banks have proven that logic to be quite frankly absurd and totally backwards. Including the GROUPTHINK taking place at the Russian central bank right now.
The gamblers and the big hedge funds know that the FED will mistakenly hike rates if inflation caused by tariffs starts creeping up again. They are placing their bets accordingly.
I wouldn’t as that is a risky bet right now today when Phoneyfart has bottled it and the FED were talking about 3 more rate cuts this year. As both inflation and oil prices were falling.
Listen to the master he will keep you right ..
Here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oVfHXuYC_lI
The master gets everything right has done for years.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 11 2025 14:21 utc | 238

If the goal was to produce hundreds of car companies it could certainly be done, but this is not an act based on competitiveness. Quite the opposite, which I believed I implied earlier.
Posted by: anonymous | Apr 10 2025 19:42 utc | 131
How is the US auto industry in any way “competitive” when the big three have had to be bailed out with taxpayer money to protect them from bankruptcy at least twice in my lifetime? They all should have gone under by the 1990’s for fuck sake.
No one in China, india or Africa will buy a $75k gas guzzeling pickup truck … they want something for $20k they can wash out with a hose. Start making marketable products and maybe you can make a sale or two without getting into a trade war trying to force countries to buy shit they don’t want.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 11 2025 14:22 utc | 239

Posted by: HB_Norica | Apr 11 2025 14:22 utc | 241
#########
Well said.
I’ve been making a similar point.
There is no product that America makes that is a “must buy”. Nothing America makes is unique. Profit margins depend on differentiation.
For years corporations got fat and happy off of patents (rents) and near total control of the info-space.
Now that they need to make sales on the merit of the transaction, they are struggling like a down and out door-to-door salesman behind on his rent with two hungry children at home.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 11 2025 14:34 utc | 240

I don’t weep over rich people or fat yuppies losing their savings/investments. Boo hoo. Trump wouldn’t destroy the economy and ruin his fatcat friends. This is a plan in progress for the long term to reign in China, etc.
The anti-Semites and Putin bootlickers in this forum gnash their teeth whenever the President does anything distasteful to the left-wing or Antifa mindset. Take a chill pill, spoiled brats of the West. He is trying to save your culture and civilization. If a few Target carts get overturned, complain to your hairdresser, sheeple. Baaaa..
PS There is no such place as “Palestine.” Pass it on ….

Posted by: Johannes | Apr 11 2025 14:58 utc | 241

karlofi has a very relevant piece today on his substack:
“When You Make Enemies Everywhere, You Can’t Sell Anything”
From a Guancha article
https://substack.com/home/post/p-161057855
The piece informs that a movement is growing to stop buying US products until that country stops its terrorizing policies and starts acting decently, in good faith, constructively and lawfully, in its own and everyone’s interest.
I suggest we join this movement and abandon all US products until that change.

Posted by: JB | Apr 11 2025 15:08 utc | 242

Posted by: Johannes | Apr 11 2025 14:58 utc | 243
There is no “God” : good luck with the rest of humankind , pass it on …

Posted by: Savonarole | Apr 11 2025 15:19 utc | 243

Posted by: Johannes | Apr 11 2025 14:58 utc | 243
#########
Palestinian Muslims and Christians speak Semitic languages and thus, are Semites.
Bibi is Polish. Smotrich is Ukrainian. Neither is Semitic, nor has any leader of Israel ever been a Semite. All of them have been European colonizers.
Trump is getting wrecked by Yemenis in pajamas and sandals, he’s not ready to fight Iran.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 11 2025 15:23 utc | 244

Of course the largest holder of US Treasuries is the Chinese Govt. Just have to place an order to sell a trillion at market and watch for the brown trousers. A gentle reminder to the Donald that he doesnt hold all the cards – he may do if the deficit he inherited is addressed.

Posted by: pipedream | Apr 11 2025 15:34 utc | 245

10 year bouncing on the trampoline for fun …4.6
Can’t state that I’m anywhere near fully understanding this but a great spectacle in more ways than one.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 11 2025 16:31 utc | 246

My impression that all the decisions of Trump are in coordination with other powerful and reach persons behind the scenes. Everything is timed to rigg the markets and make money by heavy shorting or buying cheap shares after that. The simple investor is getting robbed. The Chinese might be playing this game as they are no saints either. They stole for decades a lot of IP.

Posted by: Gabriel | Apr 11 2025 16:35 utc | 247

@ Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 11 2025 6:19 utc | 206
Denmark and Sweden have greater percentages of their economy’s dedicated to state-owned enterprises than China with its “socialism with Chinese characteristics,” (i.e., a market economy with private property in which the bourgeoisie are allowed to enrich themselves and exploit the Chinese working class while politically subordinated to the party dictatorship). They also have substantially greater welfare states. Don’t get started on unequal exchange between core and periphery if you’re not gonna bring any empirical facts about it.

Posted by: fnord | Apr 11 2025 17:03 utc | 248

There’s a kernel of truth to what some right-wing cranks are saying about stocks being overvalued. After 2020 asset price inflation rose (the prices of “fictitious capital”) without corresponding gains in the real economy. The US economy (namely, profit rates) after the 1970s crisis was kept afloat through offshoring to third world countries where large labor forces could be exploited for a fraction of a fraction of the cost of supporting a US worker. This was fine until the economy became digitalized and networked, and it became possible for someone in Argentina to specialize in the US tax code, and take a $20,000 salary instead of the $60,000 salary a US tax specialist might demand (and that’s a low estimate). Software engineers have complained about H1B visa holders but the future for us is offshoring, too, as Indian and Pakistani programmers (not to mention East European programmers) are just as smart as us US programmers, if not harder workers with a more serious work ethic (your average young right-winger has just as bad an attitude toward work as your average young left-winger).
The US is an empire in decline. It is still the world’s premier military power, which bodes ill for the workers of countries targeted by this declining empire. It is sure to lash out. Trump will announce at some point in the coming years some kind of war of national rejuvenation. He’s following a fascist playbook to a T, and fascism is the ideology of the capitalist ruling class in times of decline.

Posted by: fnord | Apr 11 2025 17:11 utc | 249

One last thing that I forgot in my previous comment: the reason stocks got to be so overvalued, the reason you could put money in the stock market and expect it to grow, is because of US trade deficits, which made possible foreign purchases of US assets, and made US asset markets a kind of sponge for international dollars. Trade deficits go kaput, demand for US assets fall, and you can reasonably expect
Asset prices falling is not a bad thing in and of itself, but within the context of an economy where debt obligations are expected to be paid based on constantly increasing growth of asset values? That’s your Minsky moment, the start of a financial crisis which could imperil the US economy for the long-term. We only got out of the Great Depression through massive state spending and a centrally planned war economy. We only got out of the 70s crisis through offshoring and the services-ification of the economy. Where next, Columbus?

Posted by: fnord | Apr 11 2025 17:19 utc | 250

Captain (DJT) is fighting the Outlaw US of A domestic market not the People’s Republic of China (PRC).
75,000+ American companies operate in the (PRC).
The Outlaw US of A housing market has peaked on Friday, February the 7th, 2025.
Another ten (10) days to go where the iceberg shall become more visible.

Posted by: pepe | Apr 11 2025 17:22 utc | 251

“‘MASS BANKRUPTICIES’ LOOM Under China Tariffs: Port Expert” (???????????????)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2XzCFv9uNQ
Quote from the video (at 0:26):
On April 17th the US Trade Representative’s office is expected to impose fees of up to $ 1.5M(illion) per port call for ships made in China and for $ 500k to $ 1M (per [per port call ??? (WMG)) if the ocean carrier owns a single ship made in China or even has one on order from a Chinese shipyard
Ryan Petersen, who was a guest in the video above has a accoount on X / Twitter: https://x.com/typesfast

Posted by: WMG | Apr 11 2025 17:29 utc | 252

What Did Trump Just Do To The Economy? (audio)
https://www.cbc.ca/listen/cbc-podcasts/209-front-burner/episode/16139745-what-did-trump-just-do-to-the-economy
“…Justin Wolfers, a professor of economics at the Uinversity of Michigan, unpacks what’s really going on here, and why Trump’s past dealings with Canada could provide some insight into how it will all shakedown.”
An insightful analysis well worth a listen.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 11 2025 17:31 utc | 253

GM auto plant in Ingersoll Ontario to shut down next month – 500 workers to be laid off. Plant may reopen in October but will operate on a single shift when/if production resumes.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 11 2025 17:45 utc | 254

the basis trade
Posted by: steven t johnson | Apr 10 2025 16:22 utc | 82
Brookings wants the Fed to backstop the basis trade.
Dumping their risk onto the plebs is the Brookings way.
Posted by: too scents | Apr 10 2025 16:36 utc | 82
Indeed Hedge Funds are suffering horribly from the bond market instability:
https://youtu.be/PIWwph9vUQg?si=pmihGJlS3BmWRZPi

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Apr 11 2025 18:18 utc | 255

@Sun Of Alabama #246
Why ?
a) Primary dealers must buy them. That is their job and the reason they exist. To make sure the auctions are sold.
b) The FED gives the primary dealers the funds to buy the auction via a reverse repo if need be.
c) The FED can just buy the treasuries back in the secondary market if they want to.
Thanks for that tutorial [I’ve been getting a few].
I’ll wait to see if it is refuted.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 11 2025 18:20 utc | 256

“Fascism is capitalism in decay”
Vladimir Lenin

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Apr 11 2025 18:22 utc | 257

Nows the time to organies a mass strike for more money !
Pass it on.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 11 2025 19:41 utc | 259

Yeah baby lets see which side trumps really really on.
Walk the walk fucker.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 11 2025 19:46 utc | 260

@257
That’s very amusing considering “fascism” would have destroyed the Soviet Union if not for global capital coming to its aid.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 11 2025 19:58 utc | 261

@ NemesisCalling | Apr 11 2025 19:58 utc | 261
the book ‘the capital order’ discusses this transition with mussolini in power in the early 1920s and offers much insight on the policies of austerity.. the book is very recent.. i highly recommend it..
The Capital Order
How Economists Invented Austerity and Paved the Way to Fascism
Clara E. Mattei

Posted by: james | Apr 11 2025 20:02 utc | 262

He is trying to save your culture and civilization.
Posted by: Johannes | Apr 11 2025 14:58 utc | 241
He should find a cure for it instead …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2025 20:33 utc | 263

Why do china, Russia and Africa formally boycott America and england-two most evil nations in the world?
Being victim one by one is worse than uniting to kill Anglo machinations . Of ourselves clueless putin would be disaster for Russia -his idiotic grin will be his only legacy. But other nations if the global south(excludes treacheroes India) get together to boycott Bankrupt America then as Anglo empire will be finished in one month

Posted by: Sam | Apr 11 2025 20:47 utc | 264

WrOf course the largest holder of US Treasuries is the Chinese Govt. Just have to place an order to sell a trillion at market and watch for the brown trousers. A gentle reminder to the Donald that he doesnt hold all the cards – he may do if the deficit he inherited is addressed.
Posted by: pipedream | Apr 11 2025 15:34 utc | 245
Not how it works.
The primary vendors are under contract to buy new USA debt nothing else.
The treasuries china holds can be sold for $2. and new treasury Ogfferings will be bought By everyone at the price thefed ells them to and as a buyer of last resort the primary vendors for the simple reason that the fed will loan them to do so with the treasuries as collateral.
And the chinese treasuries would be bought up buy someone for more than two dollars for the same reason
They are prime collateral. The fed will loan on them. In fact the fed will loan on them to buy them. Just like the last time China dumped and mystery bank in Belgium bought more treasuries than the Belgium GDP.
Fed creates the $. Note for the purchased treasury on fed books. everything is peachy.
Where is the mechanism to sell a trillion dollars of Secondary market treasuries?
All the shenanigans are set up around new debt.
Where is this place you speak of where China enters a sell at market order for a trillion?
Secondary market volume is nothing.
These things are designed to hold to maturity and use as collateral.
when china gets a trillion digital dollars from the sale Where will they park that?
China needs dollars but only what it needs it dumps the rest.
Its like eggs. you only buy what you need. They go bad.
China wants a T of digital ones and zeros like a hole in the head
To start with china devalued the dollars it just traded for by the bond sale.
Selling a T of bonds means a T of dollars are created by the fed in exchange for a note held by fed the buyer getting the loan using the bonds as collateral.
The treasuries are not on the fed books just the loan and note.
You think they care?
They dont.
China will hold the treeasuries to maturity.
and then
They will buy more.
with
(wait for it)
dollars
(cymbal clash)
The whole time China is growing getting bigger badder and smarter.
You think China cares about the t of treasuries?
They dont.
China cares about getting bigger badder and smarter.

Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 11 2025 20:51 utc | 265

Someone, quick, tell me again how America is the first world when you can’t even get food delivered to you at a park in minutes very cheaply?
1 minute 46 seconds video
https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1910799930878468417

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 11 2025 21:06 utc | 266

In Birmmingham UK the bin men have been on strike for four weeks, so some of the rubbish is now 6 weeks uncollected.
The weather is getting hot.
The smell is getting terrible.
Aparently the rats are as fat as capatilists👀

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 11 2025 21:34 utc | 267

Cynthia Chung has this remarkable analysis showing how today’s elitist-capitalist and neocon USA is a veiled ghastly zombie return of the British empire: A detailed and complex article but essential reading.
https://open.substack.com/pub/cynthiachung/p/the-special-relationship-how-the?r=3fli5x&utm_medium=ios
One thing I learned is that Russia under Tsar Alexander II intervened with its navy on behalf of the USA in that country’s civil war. Russia’s navy blocked Britain from both east and west to prevent Britain supporting the confederates who were Britain’s natural allies. Britain infinitely preferred the agricultural and raw resource producing south to the industrialised north.
Fast forward to today. The U.S.-UK-Israel blob doesn’t want any other nation on earth to be developed or industrialised at all. They want a dandified elite in their own countries serviced by an enslaved world being worked to death in mines and plantations. The Anglo goal is to turn the whole world into a concentration – death camp with USUKIS as the prison guards.
If you, like me, are from U.K. or U.S., let your heart swell with pride at this realisation.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Apr 11 2025 21:36 utc | 268

I forgot….
The UK has today anouced another 350,000,000. Donation to ukraine. 👀👀

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 11 2025 21:38 utc | 269

@ Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 11 2025 6:19 utc | 206
Denmark and Sweden have greater percentages of their economy’s dedicated to state-owned enterprises than China with its “socialism with Chinese characteristics,” (i.e., a market economy with private property in which the bourgeoisie are allowed to enrich themselves and exploit the Chinese working class while politically subordinated to the party dictatorship). They also have substantially greater welfare states. Don’t get started on unequal exchange between core and periphery if you’re not gonna bring any empirical facts about it.
Posted by: fnord | Apr 11 2025 17:03 utc | 248

I thought you were a genuine Marxist since you were smart enough to push back against Trump’s assault on DEI and immigrants, unlike some other self-proclaimed “Marxists” on MoA, but it turns out that you’re a just a social democrat, a garden-variety liberal in other words. Only a liberal would hold up Denmark and Sweden as models of socialism. I’m disappointed in myself. That is an error in judgment that I won’t make so easily in the future.
The much touted Nordic model is welfare capitalism. It’s not socialism. Let me repeat that: Welfare capitalism is not socialism!
You wanted empirical evidence? Here’s empirical evidence from a Danish institution-affiliated author talking about Scandinavian imperialism.
Scandinavian Imperialism, Torkil Lauesen, Journal of Labor and Society (2024) 1–45
https://scispace.com/pdf/scandinavian-imperialism-41likbdlnn.pdf

Sweden’s Position in Globalized Capitalism
Swedish capitalism is not an innocent bystander outside of globalized capitalism—it is an active participant. Swedish investments abroad are larger than foreign investments in Sweden. Huge parts of Swedish industrial production have been outsourced. The Swedish company Electrolux, which is one of the world’s leading producers of household appliances and tools, had by 2010 outsourced roughly 70% of its production to low-wage countries. The former important Swedish car industry is an example of how difficult it is to produce cars at Swedish wage levels and make a profit. Saab closed its car production in 2011. Volvo’s passenger cars was sold to the Chinese company Geely. Volvo truck and busses division is still Swedish owned, but mainly produced in low wage countries.
In 2020 the 3833 Swedish transnational companies employed 2.1 million people, 1.47 million abroad and the other 0,68 million at home in Sweden. Outside of Sweden, most employees were located in the USA (214 405), Germany (103 416) and China (90 983) (Statistiska Centralbyrån, 2022: p. 5). There are however, differences in the types of jobs carried out in the Global North and South. In the North, most jobs were in management, branding, sales, and services, while in the South most jobs are in production. Swedish Electrolux products are sold in the EU and the USA, and German Siemens and US Apple products are sold in Sweden; what is important is, that both Electrolux, Siemens, and Apple products are all physically in low-wage countries (Statistiska Centralbyrån, 2022: p. 10).
According to “Statistics Sweden”, approximately 576 000 people living in low wage countries worked for Swedish companies through their subsidiaries in 2020. Of these 244 000 were living in Asia, with 91 000 in China and 50 000 in India. South and Central America had 117 000 workers, with 26 000 in Brazil and 30 000 in Mexico. Africa had 25 000, with 13 000 in South Africa. Eastern Europe had 140 000, with 62 000 in Poland (Statistiska Centralbyrån, 2022: pp. 19–20).
Parallel with outsourcing, the number of industrial workers in Sweden decreased from 370 000 in 1996 to 168 000 in 2020 (Statistiska Centralbyrån, 2022: p. 10). As a result of outsourcing, in China and India alone, the number of workers directly employed by Swedish transnational companies are nearly the same as the number of industrial workers employed by these companies in Sweden.
To the number of workers in low-wage countries working direct for Swedish transnational companies must be added the number of workers in independent local companies in the South to which Swedish companies have outsourced their production. For example, textile companies like Hennes and Mauritz, mq and Dressman, have thousands of textile workers around the world who manufacture their clothes. The same goes for the furniture company ikea. Hundreds of thousands of workers labor for these “fabless” companies.

Here’s what the author thinks of the role the Global South plays in resisting imperialism.

The US/nato proxy war in Ukraine against Russia and the “cold war” against China is an attempt to uphold US supremacy. However, in this process, US policy shatters the world market, on which it has built its power and wealth since the end of the Second World War.
The US, the EU, Japan, New Zealand and Australia are for the time being united in the effort to uphold US hegemony. They constitute one aspect of a new principal contradiction. The other aspect is headed by China in its ambition to build “socialism with Chinese characteristics” and a multipolar world-system. In this effort, China is allied with a conglomerate of states united in the ambition to change the North (core)–South (periphery) structure, which has dominated the world-system for the last two centuries. The new confrontation between “the West and the rest” is indeed an anti-imperialist struggle.
China, India, Russia, Iran, Brazil and South Africa are worlds apart in their political projects, but they all reject US hegemony. So are many other African and South American states. A multipolar world system, and the existence of a major technologically developed state—China—will provide space for social movements and states in the Global South, to move in the direction of socialism.

You can also read up on how the Scandinavian countries are beneficiaries of pre-21st century imperialism despite the lack of overseas colonies over here: https://aeon.co/ideas/the-hitchhiking-scandinavian-way-to-the-imperial-riches
And need I remind you of the present relationship between Denmark and Greenland, the focal point of infighting between the imperialist/Western bloc?
Turns out it doesn’t take much for “Marxists” to expose themselves as liberals.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 11 2025 21:40 utc | 270

Mark2 267, 269
The UK should send all those bin bags to Ukraine.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Apr 11 2025 21:44 utc | 271

Posted by: fnord | Apr 11 2025 17:03 utc | 248
#########
Contrast the philosophical and cultural values of European countries with Chinese Confucianism.
The difference is how the two approach … everything.
That’s also why Americans will not achieve socialism until they give up libertarian individualism. So … never.
The obsession with statistics is autism, not revolution.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 11 2025 21:44 utc | 272

Whats the price differential between the cost of an iphone in america and one in Mexico ?
And how will that chainge when the tariffs kick in.
I predict holidays in mexico will the new thing. The devels always in the detail.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 11 2025 21:51 utc | 273

Roger Boyd in his Substack on the tariffs points out that much of the export of stuff from China to the USA is done by U.S. companies.
https://open.substack.com/pub/rogerboyd/p/tariff-mania-acceleration-toward?r=3fli5x&utm_medium=ios
So the tariffs both ways across the Pacific Ocean are hurting the USA.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Apr 11 2025 21:53 utc | 274

I’m sure there are those that are pushing that ideology here but I am not one of them.
When I speak about China, Russia or even Iran taking a more aggressive approach to the Empire its from the perspective of their own self interest.
i.e They should do this in order to take the initiative in war for their self-preservation.
I don’t suggest they do this simply to be “saviours of the world”. In fact I advise against it because that is the same ideology which results in the U.S.A – a saviour complex. A sense of entitlement that the world owes you for saving it.
The principle is simple:
In combat it is mostly the attacking side which has the strategic advantage. China, Russia and Iran are fighting from a position of weakness, as strong as they may be.
Allowing the U.S the privileged advantage of always being able to dictate the attack is a path to defeat.
Therefore, China needs to re/gain the attacking advantage if it expects to continue existing.
Further: The suggestion is not that they pursue all out war with the Empire, simply that they pursue low-intensity actions to knock the Empire off balance and keep it there … with plausible deniability.
Remember: Even ancient civilisations can be made extinct within the blink of an eye. 5000 years of continuous history can very plausibly vanish in a year through excessive passivity.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2025 8:14 utc | 218

Despite the denial, the rest of what you wrote shows that you are advocating that China overextend itself.
You are obsessed with aggression, with appearing strong, with flashy results that make for good newspaper headlines. Since you seem to be a military-minded person, perhaps you’ve heard of the expression from a certain US general: “Infantry wins battles, logistics wins wars.”
China is already doing plenty simply by developing its productive forces. The productive forces are what will eventually allow socialism to overcome capitalism.
There is the military aspect of productive forces: Soviet tanks rolling off the factories, swarming the plains of Europe, burying fascists under their tank treads.
But, there is also the non-military aspect. Do you, like MAGA cultists, think factories, manufacturing supply chains, an educated workforce and many more material improvements made by China have simply sprung out from the ground because the Chinese wished really, really hard? They arose from decades of concerted state-led efforts to develop the entire country. All the scarce resources not spent on “plausibly deniable” interventionism were spent on developing China.
RedNote allowed the captive Western population to break through the iron curtain and witness the comfortable and affordable living conditions in first-tier Chinese cities. A comprehensive 5G network in China allowed IShowSpeed to broadcast the drones, EVs, robots and other ubiquitous technological marvels found in China to the whole Western world. None of these propaganda wins are possible without the requisite material conditions. And while they are propaganda wins, none of them are actually paid Chinese propaganda efforts, despite the desperate attempts from Western mainstream media to portray them as such – it’s not just plausible deniability, it’s deniability based on the complete absence of evidence.
Fascists like MAGA cultists and liberals like fnord (the line between the two grows thin these days) are all too eager to attribute China’s successes to either fascism or capitalism. They fear that the proles will associate abundance with communism.
It’s not just propaganda wins either.
China did not develop technological marvels that I’ve mentioned earlier for propaganda wins. China developed the tech to improve the lives of its people. As a result, China is now a credible alternative trade partner for those wishing to move away from the US-led bloc. Nations can choose to wean themselves off their dependency on US/Western-made high-tech goods without sacrificing their quality of life.
China’s dominating role in the rare earth trade comes from the technological advancements it made in processing rare earth, not from mining rare earths. Why do you think China can restrict rare earth exports to America, confident in the knowledge that alternatives would be extremely costly for America?
You might have heard of people speculating that China could dump its US Treasury bonds to crash the dollar. Have you ever wondered how China acquired those bonds in the first place?
Again, this is the case of deniability due to a complete lack of evidence. China is simply developing its economy. There’s no need for plausible deniability.
Interventionism starts small, with “low-intensity actions”. That’s how you get hooked with sunk cost. You’ll eventually end up like the US, throwing good money after bad. The US is able to shrug off blows after blows from its foreign misadventures because it has a money printer, but even it is showing signs of faltering after taking so many blows. China doesn’t have a money printer, nor is China the sort of power who seeks to externalize the costs of foreign adventures on the few partners it has. And you forget far too often that China still is a developing country with limited resources.
You have heard of how some Eastern martial arts like Tai Chi emphasize using the enemy’s strengths against the enemy. The phrase 以柔克刚 – using softness to overcome hardness – has been known for thousands of years in China (it’s from Zhuge Liang, who predated Sun Tzu by a few hundred years). Mao famously refused to face KMT in head-on combat where KMT had the advantage. China, being led by practicing Marxists, are putting the quote, “The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them”, into action.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 11 2025 21:55 utc | 275

Andrew Sarchus @ 271
Liked 👍

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 11 2025 21:55 utc | 276

*came after Sun Tzu, not predated
This is what I get for not checking my posts.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 11 2025 22:11 utc | 277

As a simple son of the soil, i have to confess haveing trouble understanding trumps tariffs and the US benifts ther of.
Trumps logic seems to be stop tradeing with the US or the US tax payer ‘gets it’
You know like that funny scene in blazing saddles.
But hell what do i know.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 11 2025 22:33 utc | 278

As Mark2 at post 272 was saying, there will be a smuggling of products from China to US via third countries. Or a third country imports from China something as Original Equipment Manufacturer places their logo amd exports to US at 10% tarrif. Trump and his team are quite some idiots or they are playing along a bigger game to bring down USA and let China take control of the world..

Posted by: Gabriel | Apr 11 2025 22:33 utc | 279

Arch Bungle 111
You seriously think that the USA by gunboat diplomacy can rule the world? Force every nation into enslavement to the U.S. and separate them from Russia and China?
They clearly are still living in the age of the opium war where a clinker hulled gun boat running up a river can bring millions of “peasants” into line.
Western capitalism has reached the end of being able to move the world forward. Future advances for instance in electric vehicles and batteries, and pharmaceuticals, IT and AI, require huge structures of universities, technology clusters and supply chains. China has these. The USA could try to emulate China for a billion years until the sun expands and sterilises the world, but it will never succeed. The USA can no more become China than pigs can fly to Jupiter. The U.S. citizen would have to evolve into a different species to escape from its predatory capitalist mindset and do something productive. Become something even close to Chinese.
China having lifted its own population out of poverty (for which the west will never forgive it) it is doing the same for the third world. Which as a result won’t be third world much longer. This is why China can take a “take it or leave it” approach to the USA. They really don’t need the USA. They are making their own markets in Asia, Africa, South America etc. BRICS now has bigger GDP than G7, and is growing much faster. It has been correctly commented that the USA is no longer a threat worldwide, merely a nuisance.
In China an excellent electric car costing 10-20,000 dollars is better than a turbo petrol junk heap in the US costing no less than 100,000. The U.S. is structurally and psychologically incapable of further innovation and development beyond the 1950’s Cadillac and Boeing 707.
Trump and Bessent thrashing around with tariffs and celebratory Sinophobia will only speed their own collapse. China is the future, the USA is digging its own grave. It will be fun to watch.
Also militarily ships are a tad irrelevant as hypersonic missiles from just Iran, Russia and China, could sink all the U.S. and U.K. naval ships worldwide in less than an hour. U.S. Pacific command are already laying plans to hide all their military hardware behind human shields in Asian countries, such as international airports, in the event of war. Their island bases are ludicrously exposed and would last minutes only in a war. China makes a Royal Navy every year, and the west can’t make hypersonic missiles.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Apr 11 2025 22:35 utc | 280

Just asking a question, maybe some people know more. So, US is now second biggest producer for soy beans after Brazil (not. much behind, but it was because Trumps first tarrif war in 2017-20018, again the guy was a complete idiot when he showed a “beautiful” letter from cunning Xi Jinping about commiting to buy some amount of soy beans from USA, but instead they turned to Brazil). Anyway, back to my question, why is not USA growing pigs with those soybeans and then export higher value raw or processed meat ? At least, that way they cam make more revenue, create some jobs that are not highly skilled and force China to scramble for other sources if they want their pork industry to survive (Brazil alone is still not enough for the China demand).

Posted by: Gabriel | Apr 11 2025 22:44 utc | 281

The best way to shut those american basterds up is….
For South America to threaten to stop exporting cocaine to the US.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 11 2025 22:46 utc | 282

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 11 2025 22:33 utc | 278
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Miran, Trump’s advisor and architect of the tariff policy, believes that America providing bases and a big navy are public goods for the world’s benefit.
That’s where Trump’s “everyone has been ripping us off” narrative comes from. The planet has benefited from the Imperial footprint and not helped contribute to the costs of it.
This also includes the public good of America providing a global reserve currency. These folks believe these are positive things for the planet.
It is crazy, but that is what these people believe.
The idea is that countries that sell to America will pay the tariff to protect their American customers from higher costs. All of those collected tariffs are another revenue stream for America, which can allow the US to cut taxes on the rich and maybe eliminate income taxes on the citizens.
Like all bad plans, they assume everyone will behave exactly as they expect. That country X will comply and not place reciprocal tariffs back on.
When China started to push back, Trump got mad. He cannot tolerate anyone not rolling over because a protection racket requires 100% compliance, or other people may also choose not to pay, and then the whole thing falls apart.
I don’t know if it was China or Japan, but someone started selling treasuries which started to undermines America’s fragile debt situation, as I understand it, prompting Trump to backtrack and offer a 90 day reprieve except for China, as the Administration is trying to frame this as a trap that Trump goaded China into.
Truth be told, American consumers will pay the tariff, which will offset any benefits that they may gain (I doubt it) from lower or no taxes.
No more taxes, but you have to pay 50 %+ more for everything. Not a very good deal for most people.
The Empire is trying to squeeze more money out of the ROW through intimidation, and what effectively are “licenses” to sell goods into America, paid for in the form of tariff charges. Companies and countries can bypass this by choosing to invest in America at the expense of investing in themselves or their people.
Bottom line, it is all mafia rackets and tactics, but the mafia boss is slow and out of touch with modern technology.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 11 2025 23:01 utc | 283

Gabreal @ 281
I think China has already prepted that possabilty by slapping a 125% tarrif on anerican goods.
Plus the rest of the world would also be forcsed to go protectionist, to save ther own pork industries.
Its supply and demand. Its also known as a trade war.
US self inflicted wound. Or self harm.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 11 2025 23:07 utc | 284

LoveDonbass @ 283
Brilliant explanation even i understand that.
Thanks and kudos

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 11 2025 23:14 utc | 285

Gabreil @ 281
Your last paragraph is getting close to the truth, its not China who trumps wanting /helping to take over america and the world !
Care to take an other guse who ?
Mmm intersting is this a trap 👀

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 11 2025 23:23 utc | 286

Trump CANNOT settle down. Time to impeach him for senility. Vance is a dope but not as crazy as Trump.

Posted by: lester | Apr 11 2025 23:23 utc | 287

Mark2 @284 I checked the latest numbers of soybeam production an Brazil is on top of the world with 40% (160 million tons), USA is second with 28% (118 million), Argentine is third with 12% (49 million) and China is fourh with just 5% (20million). But China is the biggest world importer with 112 million tons. They need that amount mostly for the pork industry, then for the soy sauce and tofu. They import about half from Brazil and another half from USA. If suddenly USA stops exporting and use that to grow pigs and make soy sauce (which by the way is quite an expensive item all over the world, but I always saw it as made in China), then China will some issues with the meat supply. But Trump is an idiot surrounded by other idiots that can’t think and see the bigger picture. He is hell bent in selling only raw commodities because he wants only fast solutions for some of his voting base. To create the extra industries is too much thinking for the 2 neurons from his brain. If Xi Jinping is smart again, he will send another “beautiful” letter to Trump promising to buy more soy beans. And Trump will show it on TV again to the stupid voters.

Posted by: Gabriel | Apr 11 2025 23:35 utc | 288

Posted by: lester | Apr 11 2025 23:23 utc | 287
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Trump’s impeachment will come if the US loses a war and he uses a nuke.
Use of a nuke would be an all of America thing, but the Democrats (the only party to use Nukes before) will try to pin it all on “Orange Man Bad” so that they can pretend to have clean hands.
He’s not going to get impeached for a recession or over stock market crashes. The Dems will want to pin some moral transgression on him, and through him, MAGA and the Republican party.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 11 2025 23:36 utc | 289

Gabriel @ 288
Yep its supply and demand the market hates a vacuim.
But one things for sure….
We reap what we sow.
‘The grapes of roth’
Israel, america and the uk,
Will surly reap the harvest they deserve i hope you agree.
Bad karma.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 11 2025 23:45 utc | 290

Just for curiosity, I checked the biggest soy sauce producers: China is first with a value of 233 million dollars, Netherland is second with 109 million dollars and Japan with 91 millions. And guess who is the biggest importer: USA with 114 million dollars, followed by Canada with 53 million and Germany with 52 million. China is probably the biggest consumer, but they are too smart to import. Again, more proof of Trump and previous administrations being complete idiots.

Posted by: Gabriel | Apr 11 2025 23:55 utc | 291

It’s really very simple.
For Americans, the currency has fundamental value in that you pay taxes with it. Somebody somewhere needs to do that.
For non-Americans, the currency has fundamental value in that you can trade it for other goods…ultimately somebody somewhere trades it for American goods or envisions doing so (possibly investing IN America).
When that trade become subject to capricious trade wars, the certainty of its value to somebody somewhere decreases.

Posted by: Charles Peterson | Apr 12 2025 0:09 utc | 292

Trump and his team are quite some idiots or they are playing along a bigger game to bring down USA and let China take control of the world..
Posted by: Gabriel | Apr 11 2025 22:33 utc | 279
Hoover raised tarriffs substantially in 1929, everybody blames the idiot hoover

Posted by: natrat | Apr 12 2025 0:46 utc | 293

Those of you who are interested in the reaction to Trump in Australia might like to know that main stream Australian media is now questioning AUKUS and Australia’s defence agreements with the US. An article appeared in the Sydney Morning Herald this week that is significant in that this newspaper is usually one of the most anti-China pro-US of the lot, and generally supportive of the Australian Liberal Party (similar to the UK Tories) which has always been the more willing US sycophant among the two major political parties compared to Labor. Albeit modern Labor is nothing like it used to be and still needs to wake up.
https://johnmenadue.com/post/2025/04/aukus-turning-point-sydney-morning-herald-calls-for-revie/
Unfortunately it’s not possible to access the actual SMH article due to the pay wall.

Posted by: George | Apr 12 2025 3:08 utc | 294

Unfortunately it’s not possible to access the actual SMH article due to the pay wall.
Posted by: George | Apr 12 2025 3:08 utc | 294
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Where there is a will there is a way…
https://archive.ph/2FhQ4

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 12 2025 3:19 utc | 295

Well Done! Thank you.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 12 2025 3:19 utc | 295

Posted by: George | Apr 12 2025 4:05 utc | 296

Posted by: George | Apr 12 2025 4:05 utc | 297
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If an article is a day old or older, try plugging the URL into archive.ph
Information wants to be free.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 12 2025 4:10 utc | 297

@262 james
Thx. In another post, above, I wrote about the rise of tyrants who came about under popular rule.
Austerity? For me that has become another code word for money printing or its need. And the new money injected from money printing, according to Cantillon’s theory, always ends up firstly in the hands of the elite.
So if the elite are the ones who get first crack at new money in a system, and if they are able to invest this money, front-running the proles who get their money last and who spend it on consumables rather than investing, it stands to reason that new money injected into a system only further perpetuates wealth disparity. One can see easily how this can go on ad infinitum until inflation is so high that no one can buy anything. And then in comes deflation and the wealth hoarders get to feast.
I don’t think Cantillon is wrong. The U.S. has spent more money in the last five years, since…I don’t know when…
I am no economist, but you don’t have to get lost in the weeds of MMT to understand this basic principle: new money goes to the rich/elite/connected first.
If your author implies this and posits that we need to find a way around this phenomenon (and this is indeed their definition of phenomenon of austerity and how it comes to be), then perhaps she is right. We should find a way around this phenomenon.
By not printing any more money.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 12 2025 4:35 utc | 298

@ newbie barfly Peru | Apr 12 2025 4:57 utc | 300 who provided us with a 2018 Reuters link about China-US trade war
Let me leave you with a bevin
If you aren’t paid to throw sand into readers’ eyes and you do so out of malice, vanity or stupidity, not even the plea of economic necessity excuses your egregious behaviour.
Kindly leave the stage- to honest actors.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 12 2025 5:13 utc | 299

Putin on the China US Trade War.
“When tigers fight, the Wise Monkey sits and observes”

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 12 2025 5:51 utc | 300