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April 27, 2025
The MoA Week In Review – OT 2025-089

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Other issues:

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Palestine:

Iran:

China:

Germany:

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Use as open (not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine) thread …

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Here is my latest Substack, a very special one, it was commissioned by Ron Unz of the Unz Review and it goes out there in a few days. Entitled “Living in China”, it seeks first to demolish the major myths about its being an undemocratic state which terrorises its population and is an aggressive threat in the region, goes on to demolish the fables about “ghost cities”, Uyghur genocide and VPN illegality, shows that the cost of living there compares very favourably to the west, and tells you exactly what it is like to live there, from someone who has spent much time there over almost twenty years and has lived there permanently for five.
https://waltking.substack.com/p/living-in-china
Comments there particularly welcome.

Posted by: Walt | Apr 27 2025 13:47 utc | 1

Here “Naked Capitalism” fails to understand the financial reality of international money flows of money. The US certainly has an “Exorbitant Privilege” (= the rest of the world subsidizing the US) but this “Privilege” is NOT “UNLIMITED”. It’s limited – more or less – to the size of the US Current Account Deficit. Putting on more tariffs will make the Trade Deficit smaller and then the US Current Account Deficit WILL shrink as well. That in turn will reduce the amount of the rest of the world will be forced to “subsidized” the US even less.

Posted by: WMG | Apr 27 2025 14:04 utc | 2

Posted by: WMG | Apr 27 2025 14:04 utc | 2
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My understanding is that the ROW’s issue is when the US uses its exorbitant privilege punitively.
Has there ever been a noble and enlightened Empire or does that power always bring out the worst in men?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 27 2025 14:16 utc | 3

Posted by: Walt | Apr 27 2025 13:47 utc | 1
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Thank you for sharing. Many think multipolar means more prominent countries simultaneously. What it really means is no more Eurocentric hegemony.
Loss of exclusivity and prominence has always been resisted. Scarcity mentalities once engrained in adults are very difficult to overcome.
Many people struggle to learn the joys of sharing and acceptance.
Sisters, generally, are more open and flexible to those changes as adaptations. Brothers can be tough to a fault.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 27 2025 14:25 utc | 4

Posted by: WMG | Apr 27 2025 14:04 utc | 2
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Walt’s post at #1 is designed for you, as you’re the most likely patron to push American propaganda about China, believing uncritically what the Empire of Lies wants you to.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 27 2025 14:34 utc | 5

The Bhadrakumar (retired Indian Foreign Service) article is extremely complimentary of Trump’s progress so far. He recalls that Trump offered his services as special envoy to Russia for the Reagan administration:
“The stunning thing about Trump’s mindset is that he is also a man of convictions. Not many would know or choose to recall that this extraordinary person, decades before he actually waded into American politics and threw his hat on the presidential ring as an outlier, paid to New York Times a princely sum of $98,000 out of his (businessman’s) pocket to feature a one-page supplement at the dawn of the Ronald Reagan presidency espousing the hidden charms of a détente with the Soviet Union and offered his services as special envoy dedicated to that task.”
And summarizes the China/US standoff charmingly:
“Equally, the US and China are tiptoeing toward the negotiating table. The paradox is, the dramatic standoff on tariffs helped the two sides to peer into the abyss and realise that they don’t like what they are seeing. Trump has conceded that high tariff is not to the advantage of either side and has exuded confidence that a balanced deal is within realms of possibility. Meanwhile, notably, there has been no belligerent display of assertion of ‘freedom of navigation’ in the waters around Taiwan by the US Navy since Trump returned to the Oval Office.”
https://www.indianpunchline.com/trumps-diplomacy-gains-traction-silences-sceptics/

Posted by: freedom fritos | Apr 27 2025 14:38 utc | 6

Yesterday’s explosion at the Bandar Abbas port, Iran — yes, the cause it already determined: storage of rocket fuel at the civilian port.; as was reported by NY Times. Iran’s defense ministry says that no military-use chemicals were stored at the site, but why they would say this is open to speculation.
For consideration: This explosion of rocket fuel on Saturday 26/04/2025, happened exactly 54wks. after the Iran Retaliation rocket and missile strike on Israel, of Saturday13/04/2024; in response to the Damascus Embassy bombing.

Posted by: Nothingburgers | Apr 27 2025 14:41 utc | 7

Anyone here listing to/reading Sam Harris and/or Douglas Murray?
Would like some comments on their arguments regarding Palestine and/or Ukraine.
Maybe some familiar with and opposing their arguments can give me run down.
Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Rolling Rubel | Apr 27 2025 14:46 utc | 8

Thank you, Walt, for your top-quality writing.

Posted by: I forgot | Apr 27 2025 14:47 utc | 9

Cameron Macgregor
Curious. Is this Douglas Macgregor’s son?
https://www.youtube.com/@Neo-Masculinity

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 27 2025 14:49 utc | 10

Let’s say some nonrelavent stuff about China:
— Chinese are like elves; Santa’s secret helpers
— Their concept of comedy is: ‘’Confucius Says. . . Ha, ha, ha’’
— If you say, or think bad things about Leaders . . jokes on you
— They are the most homogenous race on Earth, statistically
— For good luck they say: Happy Five!?
— They scrimp and save . . . so as to look wealthy in their Lexus
— They are devoid of racist ideologies; if you drive a Lexus
— Chinese are just like everyone else: bipedal and thankless (Doestoyevsky)
— But, they don’t hide their pagan idols like the Western zomboids
— Rub the red buddha, pray for money

Posted by: Nothingburgers | Apr 27 2025 15:21 utc | 11

Thanks Walt
Well done

Posted by: Exile | Apr 27 2025 15:27 utc | 12

I have tried to imagine a good analogy for Trump’s short term, transactional sense of foreign relations – and why it may lead to disaster.
MGTOW comes to mind. Male/female relations tended to involve culture, religion and genuine compassion. Now, if you reduce those relations to simple transactions, families erode, misery follows and society suffers.
I think trade is similar. You cultivate friendship, you keep your fences mended and use diplomacy in language. It’s not completely about transactions. Russia and China know this. The US doesn’t – and crude attempts at bullying follow.

Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 27 2025 15:33 utc | 13

@freedom fritos | Apr 27 2025 14:38 utc | 6,

Meanwhile, notably, there has been no belligerent display of assertion of ‘freedom of navigation’ in the waters around Taiwan by the US Navy since Trump returned to the Oval Office.”

Hmm… Not sure how to determine the passages of amerikkkan navy’s vessels through Taiwan strait is belligerent or not. The passage in and of itself is provocation already. Since 2025-01-20, there were two passages already. The latest one is just a few days ago on 2025-04-23 and the other one was on 2025-02-11/12. See the news from amerikkkan own stars and stripes. Bhadrakumar usually offers quality views on international affairs but this piece seems an odd one from him since he got the facts wrong, IMO.
amerikkkan has few cards to play against China now, especially after the tariffs. Taiwan may become an option that amerikkkan will squeeze its remaining values to amerikkka for blackmailing China. If that would happen, it will be another amerikkkan miscalculation.
Watch out for what Taiwan’s Lai will do at his anniversary speech on May 20. Whatever Lai says or does is definitely with amerikkkan’s blessing (uh… approval or order).

Posted by: LuRenJia | Apr 27 2025 15:36 utc | 14

Security forces from the Republic of India (RoI) are using similar tactics [collective punishement] like the Zionists in the genocide in Gaza to punish the local population by demolishing ‘at random‘ the houses of innocent Kasmiris families following the Pahalgam attack.
The RUF and the PRC may take part on in probe of this latest Western false flag attack.

Posted by: pepe | Apr 27 2025 15:47 utc | 15

Another interesting link on Trump: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-many-alternatives-serve-third-term-steve-bannon-2064529

As Bannon noted, the official Trump Store began selling 2028 merchandise this week, including hats and T-shirts. “The future looks bright! Rewrite the rules with the new Trump 2028 t-shirt,” says the Trump store listing for the product, which is priced at $36.

Bannon is a significant figure in world-wide cryptofascist (and not so crypto) circles. He was also the dude who claimed credit for Trump’s popular vote loss in 2016, and spun it as a massive landslide endorsing Trump’s blank check. Don’t know whether Trump cut him loose because he smelled the BS or because he didn’t like the guy hogging the spotlight…

Posted by: steven t johnson | Apr 27 2025 15:51 utc | 16

thanks b and fellow moa posters for all you do and offer here…
posting problems??

Posted by: james | Apr 27 2025 16:08 utc | 17

There is so much I would like to respond to in so many different threads, including all kinds of replies, but I don’t have the time and energy (weekend is essentially already over, it disappeared very quickly).
I keep doing this and to me this/my behavior feels kind of rude and I want to apologize or at least explain that it is for such a simple reason and nothing else.
Thank you to MoA and everyone here 🙂
(And welcome back Peter AU1, please continue to share occasional updates on you health/medical quest and may you be increasingly successful. If no one has yet said so I’m sure Karlof1 really wants you to share your work (was it on the US bio labs?) that he feared/fears was/is lost).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 27 2025 16:21 utc | 18

The link to Shadow of Ezra doesn’t work for me.
The notion that a mysterious death is prima facie proof of conspiracy is wrong. It is an example of base rate neglect or base rate fallacy. There will be death in any large group of people, generally at a relatively constant rate predictable with statistical analysis. Actuaries do this so that life insurance companies have a reasonably good prospect of making money (unless the money they received prior doesn’t pay off in investments as they hoped they would.) To assess the probability that Giuffre’s death was genuinely proof of murder requires asking first if a death in the group was improbable. (That’s why our host was determined to talk about kidney disease, something that turns out to have been uncertain.) Is 41 an early death for the group of women who’ve suffered sexual abuse and caught up in prostitution? (Or if you care to phrase it differently, is 41 an early death for a victim of the empire? Same question, different flavor, I think.)
The second question, was it a mysterious death? That’s trickier, because you need to ask, what percentage of death don’t have some element of mystery about them. Deaths in hospital after a diagnosed disease or extreme old age/prolonged ill health. There is often an element of mystery about every accident (that’s why police do investigations in traffic accidents or the NTSB investigates plane crashes.) There is even more often mystery in suicide, partly because absent reading a dead person’s mind—a power possessed by much of the MoA commentariat?—there’s no way to know. That’s why suicide notes are often considered definitive, therefore mysteries often play with scenarios of faked suicide notes. In the Giuffre case, there’s the question of why the family would announce this? Who paid them? Or if they were (as reported) having terrible troubles with her personally, if she was isolated emotionally, could that despair have prompted a fundamentally irrational solution? I don’t know. I do know you can’t confidently pronounce, murder.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Apr 27 2025 16:50 utc | 19

X page about Epstein victims was removed. Please archive anything.

Posted by: Tom | Apr 27 2025 16:56 utc | 20

Congrats to Walt for getting his article placed at Unz Review. I’d imagine it complements “Zhou Bo: “Liberal International Order”? This is nothing more than a form of historical myopia”, an article built around an interview of author and retired PLA Colonel Zhou Bo’s new book, Should the World be Afraid of China?. My previous article regarding China was a translation of a Guancha discussion, “Paper Tiger, Global Fracture & Trump as Catalyst”.
I should also note Pepe Escobar had two articles focused on China published last week, “China, Hong Kong and The Art of Blinking” and “The Shanghai Spirit – China Will Take No Bullying”. Most barflies nowadays have translation software readily available making once hard to translate Chinese media very easy, and although I’ll continue to translate and publish Russian and Chinese publications, there’s so much to read at a site like Guancha that readers should do their own perusing as the volume of material is very large.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 27 2025 17:02 utc | 21

Paragraph from Walt‘s substack linked in #1 above:

…..Current Loan Rates: UK, typically 4.38% for the first two years, then an exorbitant 7.49% for the remaining 23 years (Nationwide Building Society). USA 6.90%. China Loan Prime Rate is at 3.10%, compared to 3.10% last month and 3.45% last year. This is lower than the long term average of 3.68%.
Home ownership in China is 96%, USA and UK 65%.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 27 2025 17:03 utc | 22

Here is my latest Substack, a very special one, it was commissioned by Ron Unz of the Unz Review and it goes out there in a few days. Entitled “Living in China”, it seeks first to demolish the major myths about its being an undemocratic state which terrorises its population and is an aggressive threat in the region, goes on to demolish the fables about “ghost cities”, Uyghur genocide and VPN illegality, shows that the cost of living there compares very favourably to the west, and tells you exactly what it is like to live there, from someone who has spent much time there over almost twenty years and has lived there permanently for five.
https://waltking.substack.com/p/living-in-china
Comments there particularly welcome.
Posted by: Walt | Apr 27 2025 13:47 utc | 1
Sorry I don’t use substack (user log in) so I’ll comment here.
Nice article, it addresses a lot of false conceptions and just says it’s a nice place to live (as you also mention there’s a bit of nanny angle that might not suit a western view preferring things a bit rougher around the edges)
If you have been going there for 20 years (and living) you witnessed a significant improvement (you don’t mention if you visited rural areas, the last years’ effort to curb poverty there was text-book)
One thing that you might comment is something that I read many years ago (it was ne of the system’s failings) concerning the rural workers who moved to the cities without permits/changing address (it was hard but not industrial england hard). I’d really like to know how that has improved and the timetable of what you saw.
Hang around, hope you enjoy the bar

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 27 2025 17:04 utc | 23

@ Walt | Apr 27 2025 13:47 utc | 1
Walt, China has not made a claim regarding a nine-dash line. The drawing dating from ROC days is sometimes published by China, without any claim, and many times by China critics, but it has no standing in international law. It’s basically US propaganda frequently used by China critics when actually they are just inventing claims when really it’s just the US and friends pulling the dragon’s tail.
The US State Department published a study on the nine-dash line years ago and recognized China claims on territory but none on water. . .China has not clarified through legislation, proclamation, or other official statements the legal basis or nature of its claim associated with the dashed-line map. In fact any country making a claim on water, except for 12-mile territorial water, is ridiculous.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 27 2025 17:12 utc | 24

– China is a financial basket case with a Debt-to-GDP ratio of 290%. And a Trade War with the US is bad for both the US and China.
– I am NOT a PRO American propagandist and I am NOT “against China”. Too many people have rose colored view when it comes to China.
– What also A LOT OF people fail to understand is the dynamic between the US Current Account Deficit (CAD) and the US (federal) Budget Deficit (BD). Between say 1995 and 2009 the CAD was larger than the BD which was beneficial for the US. But since say early 2009 the CAD was smaller than the CAD which is DETRIMENTAL for the US.
– If the US starts running a Trade Surplus that’s the worst for the US that can happen to the US. But that is what people like Navarro and Trump fail to understand.
– I am convinced that China will go through a financial crisis somewhere in the next few years. How China will emerge out of that crisis will determine what kind of China we will see AFTER the upcoming crisis.

Posted by: WMG | Apr 27 2025 17:20 utc | 25

I am convinced that China will go through a financial crisis somewhere in the next few years.
Posted by: WMG | Apr 27 2025 17:20 utc | 25

You don’t have long to wait. Try not to be too disappointed.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 27 2025 17:36 utc | 26

China is a financial basket case with a Debt-to-GDP ratio of 290%.
Posted by: WMG | Apr 27 2025 17:20 utc | 25
That figure includes all credit in China. For the US total debt to GDP ratio is 340%. I guess that means you think the US is an even bigger financial basket case?

Posted by: jinn | Apr 27 2025 17:47 utc | 27

@jinn (#27): Correct

Posted by: WMG | Apr 27 2025 17:51 utc | 28

@too scents (#26): Correct. My fear is that the US will use this crisis as an opportunity to attack China one way or another. These seems to a US plan to include NATO, Japan, South Korea and other countries in South East Asia (Australia ???) in those attackplans as well.

Posted by: WMG | Apr 27 2025 17:56 utc | 29

Thanks b for this great review. This has attracted my attention.
“. troop numbers in the region have risen from approximately 34,000 to nearly 50,000 as of late 2024, a level not seen since the first Trump term,
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/us-military-in-the-middle-east/
In the context of increasing US military presence in West-Asia and the installation of a terrorist regime in Syria, I can’t help but conclude that the current “negotiations” US-Iran are just a delaying tactic by the US side before an attack on Iran. It smells to me like what happened to Lybia and Itak and maybe Yugoslavia. What Trump says is just PR and it’s purpose is to keep others confused while something unexpected is being prepared.

Posted by: Richard L | Apr 27 2025 17:57 utc | 30

1.66% Chinese 10 Year
4.25% US treasury 10 year
Which country has a bigger debt burden ?

Posted by: Exile | Apr 27 2025 17:59 utc | 31

M. K. Bhadrakumar at Indian Punchline presents an overly idealistic picture of Trump’s supposed doveism. He ignores Trump’s constant bombardment of Yemen and support for Israel’s genocide. Meanwhile, he makes statements like this:
“notably, there has been no belligerent display of assertion of ‘freedom of navigation’ in the waters around Taiwan by the US Navy since Trump returned to the Oval Office.”
https://www.indianpunchline.com/trumps-diplomacy-gains-traction-silences-sceptics/
Well, the guy has only been in power for roughly 100 days! Bhadrakumar could have done a google search, and he would have read this article from only two days ago:
“… a U.S. Navy destroyer carried out a Taiwan Strait passage on Wednesday while a U.S. littoral combat ship carried out a joint sail in the South China Sea with an Australian destroyer on Friday.”
https://news.usni.org/2025/04/25/u-s-chinese-carriers-now-in-the-philippine-sea-u-s-destroyer-makes-taiwan-strait-transit
No amount of sweet talk about Trump’s mastery of the neocons (about which premise one should have grave doubts) changes the fact he is a billionaire leader of a voracious and murderous ruling class, and he seeks U.S. supremacy over the world.
Bhadrakumar is correct when he says, “solutions cannot be unilaterally imposed by nation states in the emerging world order in the 21st century.” But I believe he misunderstands Trump, who is not averse to projecting U.S. military power, yet whose belligerent blundering could, even without his immediate intent, plunge the world into a catastrophic war. It’s not a peculiar Trumpian characteristic either, as even the more dovish of the warlike Democrats share this fatal disposition.

Posted by: Jeffrey Kaye | Apr 27 2025 18:08 utc | 32

Trump’s supposed doveism.
Posted by: Jeffrey Kaye | Apr 27 2025 18:08 utc | 32

Ben Norton’s latest screed (I love him but he really is very shrill) argues that the Trump Administration is preparing for war against China.
Is war on China coming? The US military is seriously preparing ==> https://youtu.be/E4f43dPOWgo

Posted by: too scents | Apr 27 2025 18:18 utc | 33

Exile | Apr 27 2025 17:59 utc | 31
Nothing speaks louder than countries bond price. Wow is that a shock. Never figured on that one.

Posted by: circumspect | Apr 27 2025 18:46 utc | 34

For james and other music connoisseurs.
(I was going to write that metal heads can skip, but no, you
need this too, especially in light of Ch. 24.)
After another week and a long Sunday of slogging through the endless negativity of wars and conflict, many of you must be weary. This link will provide a great reprieve for a Sunday
evening, either alone or with someone you care for.
Wynton Marsalis at Harvard Lecture Series
It’s a beautiful series of short ‘chapters’ featuring Wynton Marsalis and some of his
friends. Wynton provides a great history of American music and at the same time relates
it to culture and politics. There’s a ton of wisdom and wit here and the music is top drawer.
Scroll down to pick a chapter, but if you watch one you’ll want to watch all of them.
James, you should get a boost from what he says about drummers in Ch. 9. Do you hambone?

Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 27 2025 18:58 utc | 35

M. K. Bhadrakumar at Indian Punchline presents an overly idealistic picture of Trump’s supposed doveism.
Posted by: Jeffrey Kaye | Apr 27 2025 18:08 utc | 32
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A byproduct of being colonized is that a country’s elites lose their cultural sense of themselves, regardless of the age of their civilization.
That has happened to Baba Bhadrakumar, IMO.
Mind you, Indians have longed for the return of a white master for decades. A similar phenomenon happens in Africa. Only the Axis (not to be confused with BRICS) has members resistant to this.
Although the “liberal” Persians make a case otherwise.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 27 2025 19:07 utc | 36

Re: US pending Civil War ?
On the Ukraine thread a Barfly wrote concerning a pending civil war in the U.S. I doubt that scenario. However, if it does come to Civil War in the U.S. , it is likely to take on the terrible characteristics of the Spanish Civil War or the Chinese Warlord period or the European Thirty Years War. Don‘t even go there.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 27 2025 19:10 utc | 37

Who does China owe their debt to ? If it’s to themselves, how will they ever manage to pay themselves back ? 😹
*cue Sun of Alabama*

Posted by: Featherless | Apr 27 2025 19:13 utc | 38

The ‘Shadow of Ezra’ link about other Epstein victims pointing out that they are not suicidal either, has apparently already been scrubbed from X by Mossad.

Posted by: AllSeeingEye | Apr 27 2025 19:15 utc | 39

@ waynorinorway | Apr 27 2025 18:58 utc | 35
thanks waynorinorway! i hadn’t seen this, but i have read a few of his books on music.. he is very articulate and brings a lot of insight into all of this, maybe due some of his mentors – albert murray and stanley crooch, or perhaps even his dad and family, but most probably due his new orleans background.. new orleans is a special place musically speaking in a historical context.. as a side note, i got to play with elis marsalis – his dad, on a few songs on a jazz performance i did for victoria jazz festival in around 1996.. we were playing as a piano trio and the bassist know many of the marsalis clan from living in new orleans.. elis was doing a solo concert in a bigger theatre in victoria and was invited over to our gig after he finished.. sean and i played a few songs with him in a special appearance – that was memorable! i recommend some of his books on music.. he is a bit of a preacher of music and black culture, again – following in the footsteps of his mentors mentioned above..
i also saw much the same band playing in victoria in what was about 9 or 10 years ago.. it is part of the lincoln center orchestra which wynton was given an important role and financial assistance to oversee.. i am not sure he is still directly involved.. he might be..
i don’t really hambone! my close musical friend nicknamed ‘hambone’ died a few years ago.. thanks for sharing this post! you forced me to reveal more about myself, but hopefully it didn’t take anything away from what you’ve shared lol… cheers!

Posted by: james | Apr 27 2025 19:19 utc | 40

Dear Readers, please make note of the posters here running interference for the Empire’s murder of Virginia Giuffre. Even jot their aliases on a postit note to stick to your monitor and more closely examine their subsequent posts for pushing Establishment-friendly narratives. Read their posts with the awareness front and center that they are spokespeople for Empire.
Many of the alert oldsters here are already on the lookout for these Empire spox, but every time the Establishment does one of these conspicuously evil deeds, the same tools are used to blow smoke and muddy the waters; trying to plant doubts about the Empire’s villainy. This is a perfect time to compile a list of posters who speak for the Empire. Just look for the posts trying to clear the Establishment of wrongdoing in Giuffre’s murder and sell the official narrative of suicide, and add that poster to your list of Empire shills. You will find that list to be surprisingly accurate on who is giving comfort to the Empire on other topics as well.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 27 2025 19:26 utc | 41

Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 27 2025 18:58 utc | 35
Thank you for that link! It looks quite interesting. Metalheads are interested, too. I’m musically omniverous. 😉

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 27 2025 19:41 utc | 42

Posted by: Exile | Apr 27 2025 19:10 utc | 37
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Indeed. What would one cohort of Americans fight another cohort to the death over?
I think the Civil War narrative (including the movie) is about preparing the society to punish anyone who would revolt against the Capitalist state. Preparing an endless J9 paradigm.
The ending of free speech and de-banking all play into this.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 27 2025 19:43 utc | 43

Why are certain Russian generals assassinated?
look at the timing of the bomber sent to stalk the general and setup the explosion to be operated ‘remotely’ from ‘Ukraine’.
However bad or good the proxy ukropians are – they are tools of the western spooks – Mossad/CIA/MI6 overlords. They wouldn’t have thought long term and be planning to kill this general who was not even in charge of fighting in Ukraine!
Some posts to ponder. Longer version at previous open thread.
‘Typical African
@Joe__Bassey
18h
“We have trained several locals to overthrow their own government in the past years” American General Langley. ‘
‘Mr Armstrong Utd
@MrStrong_Utd
16h
Replying to @Joe__Bassey
@grok is this original or tempered with?
Apr 26, 2025 · 4:06 PM UTC’
‘Grok
@grok
16h
Replying to @MrStrong_Utd @Joe__Bassey
The video seems to be authentic footage from a March 23, 2023, congressional hearing with General Michael Langley. It shows him discussing U.S. military training in Africa, where a small number of trainees later led coups. However, the subtitle “Africans to overthrow their own governments” may exaggerate or misframe his words, as he emphasized training promotes democratic values. The video might be edited or subtitled to push a controversial narrative, but the core content aligns with verified reports. ‘
———-
‘ Lord Bebo
@MyLordBebo
14h
🇺🇦🇷🇺 The Ukranian bomb assassin was following Ukrainian instructions and set up the bomb and camera, so that someone from Ukraine can pull the trigger.
Ignat Kuzin, the suspect in the murder of Lieutenant General Moskalik near Moscow, stated during interrogation that he was recruited by Ukrainian special services in 2023. In November of that year, he moved into the house where Moskalik lived and began to follow him.
According to Kuzin, his actions were coordinated by a certain “curator Vadim” from the Kyiv region, who contacted him in April 2023. It was on Vadim’s instructions that Kuzin moved to Moscow in September.
In November 2024, six months before the car was blown up, he rented an apartment in the same building as Moskalik. The “curators” covered the housing costs.
In February, he bought a car. All this time, Kuzin received instructions from the curator: it was on his tip that he discovered a hiding place with a camera and an explosive device. The detainee claims that the curator himself carried out the explosion while on Ukrainian territory.
-> Kuzin flew to Turkey to escape, but was detained by the Turks at the request of the FSB and then he was instantly extradited to Russia, where FSB took custody of him.
Apr 26, 2025 · 5:51 PM UTC ‘

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 27 2025 20:09 utc | 44

@ Exile | Apr 27 2025 17:59 utc | 31
Either regime has the power to create new money. (Unfortunately, only one backs its monetary expansion with factories, so there isn’t “too much money chasing not enough goods”. But that isn’t what I wanted to mention.)
With new money, they can buy up their own bonds OR pay interest. (Or mix it up.). The former reduces nominal rates. The latter can be used to leave rates at a higher level.
It’s possible TPTB *want* higher interest rates, for a couple reasons. First, to inflict pain accompanying the narrative that “the bond vigilantes” are angry and we must therefore shakedown the little people, even while TPTB increase military spending. Second, to “crowd out” private spending (reduced by higher rates) in favor of the military industrial complex (that gets its funding straight from the source without paying interest).
Same with tariffs on consumers. (I bet they exempt MIC purchases.)
Together, it appears the new emperor is raising taxes on the serfs, to prepare and wage wars the serfs thought they were voting against.

Posted by: I forgot | Apr 27 2025 20:10 utc | 45

Well, at least Trump has achieved something today, but his first name is Judd…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 27 2025 20:36 utc | 46

https://youtu.be/3cZTGxGbdXc?t=227
Tucker Carlson who used to be at Fox News until 2024 and was the most influential voice in 2020 and 2021 pm getting America to confront China as a threat talks about China and the trade war. His tone has changed a lot and he sounds like one of the most moderate conservatives when it comes to China. I have to admire that ability to change his beliefs. The many events since 2021 must have changed his mind on what threatens America.

Posted by: dosomething | Apr 27 2025 20:46 utc | 47

Oui | Apr 27 2025 16:01 utc | 20
Thanks for that post.
And I always smirk knowingly when the Mockingbird Media garrulously squawk, panicked, about ISIS-K….. knowing that ISIS-K is a CIA fully owned and operated terror cell.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 27 2025 21:55 utc | 48

Doesn’t sound like Tucker’s “changed his beliefs” at all — he’s merely no longer being paid to physically hyperventilate about China every weekday but that isn’t being less anti-China, actually; he just doesn’t have to put on the scary makeup, so to speak, anymore but his support for the Global American Empire remains the same.
He simply doesn’t want “brother wars” between white countries (namely, US and Russia) and he’s more realistic about the limits of American power today.

Posted by: SSCC | Apr 27 2025 22:23 utc | 49

@Posted by: dosomething | Apr 27 2025 20:46 utc | 47
Carlson plays his audience extremely well, a quite gifted propagandist, as he slips the lies and manipulations in with a chunk of truths. Still an oligarch-tool though, just doing what he gets paid very well to do. His dad was the Director of Voice of America. I did a piece about his a while ago:
https://rogerboyd.substack.com/p/the-false-prophets-of-division-tucker

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Apr 27 2025 22:40 utc | 50

– China is a financial basket case with a Debt-to-GDP ratio of 290%. And a Trade War with the US is bad for both the US and China.
– I am NOT a PRO American propagandist and I am NOT “against China”. Too many people have rose colored view when it comes to China.
– What also A LOT OF people fail to understand is the dynamic between the US Current Account Deficit (CAD) and the US (federal) Budget Deficit (BD). Between say 1995 and 2009 the CAD was larger than the BD which was beneficial for the US. But since say early 2009 the CAD was smaller than the CAD which is DETRIMENTAL for the US.
– If the US starts running a Trade Surplus that’s the worst for the US that can happen to the US. But that is what people like Navarro and Trump fail to understand.
– I am convinced that China will go through a financial crisis somewhere in the next few years. How China will emerge out of that crisis will determine what kind of China we will see AFTER the upcoming crisis.
Posted by: WMG | Apr 27 2025 17:20 utc | 25

Since you obsess over the debt-to-GDP ratio, you should at least do the work of inspecting how debt and GDP are measured in the first place in both the US and China. The two systems operate very differently despite superficial similarities. Stop projecting America’s problems onto China.
In essence, the Soviet model of accounting (MPS, Material Product System) still exerts a strong influence in China. China uses the production method for calculating GDP instead of the expenditure method used by the US. China’s GDP is focused on real tangible goods produced and downplays GDP from services. Unlike the US, China doesn’t indulge in shenanigans like imputing rent for housing (even when the house is not rented out) as GDP. American GDP is also high because things are priced exorbitantly, from healthcare to education to rent – its citizens can’t actually afford to live! As a result, the US is in far more dire straits than China is if we’re comparing debt-to-GDP ratio because the US GDP is grossly inflated.
Now that the differences in GDP has been explained, let’s move onto debt.
The debt in China isn’t really an issue. As a Chinese economist Wen Tiejun has once explained before, much of the infrastructure constructed by China hasn’t been monetized yet. If they were, the debt then becomes an insignificant sum. Wen Tiejun isn’t some blind apologist for modern China, or he wouldn’t have titled his book Ten Crises, all ten of which occurred under CPC rule. It’s not just Wen Tiejun either. Chinese economists debate vigorously over many economic issues that China currently faces, but debt barely registers on their radar.
Incidentally, the Soviet method of calculating “GDP” is why the Soviet Union is considered unproductive/poor by the ignorant. It’s because the Soviet Union’s assets aren’t monetized up the wazoo. When the Soviets produced machinery to be used in other factories, it’s considered an internal transfer and won’t generate GDP because the factories are not “buying” the machinery. When the Soviet Union collapsed, the oligarchs came into existence because they privatized these unaccounted-for national assets. Putin is so well-liked mainly because he re-nationalized a lot of assets, which allowed wages to be paid again.
When it comes to cooking the books, I gladly concede that China has much to learn from the great US of A.
Resources:
1/ If you want to understand how China transitioned from MPS to SNA (GDP), you can read this excerpt from a joint Sino-Japanese research publication, written in English. The rest of the publication can be found here.
2/ The National Bureau of Statistics of China publishes the Annual GDP Accounting Instructions of China in English.
3/ If you want read an article dealing with US vs China GDP, you can refer to this article (written in Chinese). Machine translation does a decent job, but some terms didn’t translate well. If you want an article written in English but is somewhat tangential (it’s not about US vs China GDP but about consumption figures in China), then you can read this Asia Times article.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 27 2025 23:22 utc | 51

Are YOU sick of hearing about “antisemitism”? I know I am.
https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/are-you-tired-of-hearing-about-antisemitism/

Indeed, protecting Jews is a full-time job of the Trump Administration, even more so that under Genocide Joe Biden. Antisemitism comes up in speech after speech and fully ninety per cent of the discretionary Homeland Security Agency grants already go to Jewish groups or buildings, to the tune of more than $400 million. Interestingly, the government also appears to be constructing a data base of Jews to protect them further. The personal cellphones of dozens of current and former Barnard College employees rang last Monday evening with a text message that said it was from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, part of a review of the employment practices of Barnard. A link led to a survey that asked respondents if they were Jewish or Israeli, and if they had been subjected to harassment.

Trump is far worse on this than I would have thought. #MIGA indeed. But it will backfire here and there. Especially for the “little guy” Trump supporters and the rest of us “little guys”…

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 27 2025 23:35 utc | 52

Highly individualistic societies cannot understand people from societies that actually (not performatively) care about one another. This post is partially inspired by my reply to WMG but isn’t entirely related to it, which is why I separated it out.
American imagination is filled with survivalist fantasies. They have their bug out bags ready for when the impending collapse of civilization comes. They’re all too ready to hide in a bunker in the middle of nowhere. It’s all zombie fiction where everyone is out for themselves and any large organization is portrayed as oppressive and untrustworthy.
This mentality extends even to the elite in the West. They all have bunkers in New Zealand where they hope to ride out the apocalypse in comfort, but they neglect to account for the fact that their comfort is enabled by the army of servants attending to their every whim and need. In a post-apocalyptic world where laws, norms and conventional media of exchange have been wiped away, why would these servants defer to the authority of their “wealthy” master? Just because the master claims ownership over the resources?
Absent from the modern Western imagination is the positive portrayal of people who band together to solve problems.
China, in contrast, imagines a future where humanity works and thrives together. One of the more recent and well-known Chinese fiction (in the West) is 2019’s The Wandering Earth. Unlike typical Western fiction where tiny ark ships are sent away from Earth to colonize distant stars in the face of an impending apocalypse while the remaining majority on Earth are left to their fates, the Chinese imagine dragging their entire home – Earth – to a distant solar system so that as many people as possible can be saved. It’s not a solo effort from China. Every nation on Earth is involved.
Whether the author of The Wandering Earth realizes it or not, real-life events from Chinese history undoubtedly served as inspiration for The Wandering Earth, notable recent ones being the 2022 Chongqing fire and the 2025 earthquake in Tibet where Chinese people from all levels of society worked together to combat the disaster (Global Times editorial: Why does Chongqing’s ‘heroic spirit’ resonate so strongly? and What should the West see from rescue efforts in Xizang earthquake?: Global Times editorial). When the CPC speaks of the “nationwide system” 举国体制, which is the ability to mobilize the entire nation towards a goal, it is not an empty boast, as evidence of such mobilization ability exists abundantly. Remember the concept of the “nationwide system” for when I talk about biology later.
The Wandering Earth also contains 2 little details about the protagonist that is worth remembering for when I talk about Yu the Great later. First detail: the protagonist consigned his terminally ill wife to death so that he could secure a place in the shelters for his son and also his father-in-law. The protagonist then left his son to be cared for by his father-in-law so that he could serve onboard the scout/guide ship responsible for navigating the Earth. This perceived abandonment of his wife and his son earned him resentment from his son. Second detail: the protagonist also adopted a non-biologically related daughter. Her biological mother thrust her into the father-in-law’s arms to save her from the floods that resulted from rising sea levels.
The difference in mindset for handling crises is not just present in imagination (forward-looking), it can be found in ancient mythology as well (backward-looking).
Many cultures around the world have their own flood mythology. In China, there is the Yu the Great, who is a mortal worshipped as a God because he tamed the floods in China. One prevailing legend concerning Yu is 三过家门而不入, which said that during Yu’s flood engineering efforts, he passed by his own home 3 times, and in those 3 times he never entered his own home. The first time, his child was just a baby crying in his wife’s arms. The second time, his child has already learned to wave at him. The third time, the child was old enough to run to his side to embrace him. Every single time, Yu did not tarry to bond with his child and wife, not because he didn’t love his family, but because he loved his family too much. Yu recognized the floods to be the principal contradiction and the lack of family time to be a secondary contradiction that is a product of the principal contradiction. Only by resolving the principal contradiction can the secondary contradiction be resolved.
Yu the Great also didn’t go around saying that those who did not believe or participate in his decades-long flood engineering effort should drown. Benefits were shared by all (okay, I admit that India’s vindictive and unjustified cutting off of Pakistan’s water supply might have subconsciously influenced me in recounting Yu the Great’s myth).
Contrast the Chinese flood mythology with Western flood mythologies. The most prominent one is from the Abrahamic religions and features the figure named Noah, who built an ark to save mating pairs of all animals and only his family. Unbelievers are justified in being drowned due to their lack of faith. Noah’s love for his own family was so narrow that it’s incestuous. You can see shades of Noah’s ark-building strategy in dealing with floods in modern day oligarchs’ bunker-building strategy in dealing with the collapse of capitalistic society.
Yu the Great’s myth also shows the difference in how affection is shown between individualistic and communally-minded societies. Asian parents, including Chinese, are often stereotyped as being cold, uncaring or stoic – very much in the mold of Yu the Great’s 三过家门而不入 legend. In contrast, Westerners are very liberal with saying “I love you” to show affection, just like how Trump is very liberal in professing friendship with Xi (his exact words: “I like President Xi a lot, he was a very good friend of mine during my term”). However, in action, Trump displays a complete lack of friendliness, even outright hostility towards China. The Westerners’ displays of affection are ultimately devoid of substance.
Having covered individualism and communalism from the perspective of culture, which you are free to argue are on shaky grounds, I’ll move onto something more concrete: biology.
Are you aware of the difference between unicellular and multicellular organisms? Have you ever wondered why you close your eyes or raise your arms to shield your face when you detect imminent danger approaching your face? Shouldn’t the cells in the eyelid or arm prioritize their own interests/survival first? If endless competition is the best thing ever, why isn’t there “free market” competition between individual cells? How could multicellular organisms have come into existence if they’re so inefficient and wasteful, destined to be outcompeted by unicellular organisms? Survival of the fittest, right?
Probe these questions deeper and you’ll start to understand why individualistic societies struggle to understand communalistic societies.
From the perspective of the unicellular organism (not that such life is capable of cognition), individuals banding together in a “nationwide system”, even at a cost to their own lives, to further a greater goal is an alien concept. Why would an arm shield the head/brain from damage?
It all comes down to working together in groups being a better survival strategy than toughing it out alone. This strategy was so successful that different types of organisms independently figured out their own way to become multicellular. Even a single cell itself is a team. The mitochondria in our cells are widely believed to be endosymbiotic, meaning that they are foreign objects that were gradually incorporated into our cells.
Materialist natural science provides ample evidence that greater complexity – and ultimately sapience – is a product of things working together instead of in opposition with each other. Viruses (technically not cells) and bacteria still exist, and infections can certainly bring down the mightiest multicellular organisms, but these unicellular organisms can never reach the heights that multicellular humans have.
“Community with a shared future for mankind” is not just a propaganda slogan from the CPC, it’s its sincere belief. The words on the giant placard hung on Tiananmen, “Long Live the Great Solidarity of the World’s Peoples” 世界人民大团结万岁, still holds true today as it did in Mao’s time.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 27 2025 23:48 utc | 53

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 27 2025 14:25 utc | 4
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 27 2025 14:34 utc | 5
Posted by: I forgot | Apr 27 2025 14:47 utc | 9
Posted by: Exile | Apr 27 2025 15:27 utc | 12
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 27 2025 17:02 utc | 21
Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 27 2025 17:12 utc | 24
Thanks to all for your kind responses.
Posted by: Exile | Apr 27 2025 17:03 utc | 22
One thing that you might comment is something that I read many years ago (it was one of the system’s failings) concerning the rural workers who moved to the cities without permits/changing address (it was hard but not industrial england hard). I’d really like to know how that has improved and the timetable of what you saw.
My wife’s hukou — her official residence — (as are many Shenzhener’s) is elsewhere in China, actually in a town in the far north of Guangdong province. This was once a problem but over the years things have eased up. Now she tells me she will have to go back to renew her passport, and we had to go up there to register the marriage.There are still certain advantages to having a local hukou, people with country hukous can come for treatment but have to pay the full price like me. OAPs free local transport. If you have employment in a foreign town then these are mostly covered such as access for schooling for your children up to 15, then they will have to finish schooling in the home town. Once you die, you remains have to go back to your home town!

Posted by: Walt | Apr 28 2025 0:24 utc | 54

@ All Under Heaven
Two excellent comments, detailed, informative, and — a quality sorely lacking among our more voluble commenters here — lucidly written. You’re quickly becoming one of my favorites here.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 28 2025 0:27 utc | 55

Sorry, that response was to:
Posted by: Newbie | Apr 27 2025 17:04 utc | 23
Hang around, hope you enjoy the bar
Er, right. Thanks.

Posted by: Walt | Apr 28 2025 0:37 utc | 56

The link for Shadow of Ezra should be https://x.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1916156753525281038. If you don’t like Elon’s site you can also access it at https://twiiit.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1916156753525281038.

Posted by: 无名 | Apr 28 2025 0:52 utc | 57

My wife’s hukou — her official residence — (as are many Shenzhener’s) is elsewhere in China, actually in a town in the far north of Guangdong province. This was once a problem but over the years things have eased up. Now she tells me she will have to go back to renew her passport, and we had to go up there to register the marriage.There are still certain advantages to having a local hukou, people with country hukous can come for treatment but have to pay the full price like me. OAPs free local transport. If you have employment in a foreign town then these are mostly covered such as access for schooling for your children up to 15, then they will have to finish schooling in the home town. Once you die, you remains have to go back to your home town!
Posted by: Walt | Apr 28 2025 0:24 utc | 53
Sorry, that response was to:
Posted by: Newbie | Apr 27 2025 17:04 utc | 23
Hang around, hope you enjoy the bar
Er, right. Thanks.
Posted by: Walt | Apr 28 2025 0:37 utc | 55
I do, hardly ever miss a day.
Thank you for your answer, so now it’s not as big a issue as it was, ok for schools but still a big no on health care (for us 100% of their price ischeap, but for low wage workers not so much). Thank you for your answer.

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 28 2025 1:02 utc | 58

@52 all under heaven
I echo Malenkov in saying that your comments are thorough to say the least. You put thought into what you write. You must be Asian. Us Euro-westerners value timely, pithy comments and we often have disdain for long commentary.
As Hegel said, “Philosophy always arrives on the scene too late.”
That being said, I just wanted to comment on your idea in one of your paragraphs that eastern countries can not understand countries that do not work together for the benefit of all.
Well, therein lies the rub. When I think of caring for individuals, like Jesus, I think about going out of my way for the lost sheep, the 1 out of 100 who most would say is forlorn or nature’s way of taking out the trash.
In eastern countries, especially in China, rigorous social codes and enforcement keep the flies away, and this is an undeniable phenomenon of eastern life. While in the west, we seem content to step over the rot we see in our society or are very reticent to chastise or publicly shame someone for misbehavior, whether drug/alcohol abuse, or indulging such burgeoning movements as transhuman/transgenderism.
Who can argue against this? It is no insult to the east, because when we talk about the differences of the eastern and western mind, we touch upon something that very few can even approach eloquently in writing about.
That being said, I think reading eastern thought is a good idea but so very few in the west pursue it in an authentic way–instead, they indulge in eastern mysticism a la the Beatles and think they have experienced something. What about the average easterner? The ‘peasant’ as J.D. Vance said?
Not all eastern peasants have a Yoko Ono to advise them on spirituality or are a trust fund kid, solidly upper-class stock that have their 20s to engage in vision quests because factory work sucks.
So I do take issue with your comment about the west not caring for each other. The words ‘caring for each other’ seem to have different meanings in the east and west.
But perhaps I am mistaken. I am a young lad relatively speaking and perhaps at an earlier moment in time, the city or state may have rounded up the public drunks or the mentally unfit and taken them away from the public view to a centralized location for forced rehab.
I live in an area with a very visible homeless problem and I can honestly see the necessity in “violating” the individual’s rights for their own good. I think we are getting to that point. Letting people rot in the street is an indictment against the west. So it would not surprise me if in the near future when a real populist revolution comes around that we did forcefully gather those in the gutter up.
We are really only a stone’s throw from that kind of public policy (re?)emerging in the west.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 28 2025 1:18 utc | 59

“Community with a shared future for mankind” is not just a propaganda slogan from the CPC, it’s its sincere belief. The words on the giant placard hung on Tiananmen, “Long Live the Great Solidarity of the World’s Peoples” 世界人民大团结万岁, still holds true today as it did in Mao’s time.
Posted by: All Under Heaven | Apr 27 2025 23:48 utc | 52
Spot on, and goes in lime with what I mentioned @23 (as you also mention there’s a bit of nanny angle that might not suit a western view preferring things a bit rougher around the edges).
Even cooperative people in the west prefer to have the choice of playing by those rules at each instance, it’s a cultural thing from getting rid of the church’s power I would say.
Excellent choice of getting cixin liu in the picture, when I first read 3 body problem I felt a freshness that was absent in more recent science fiction (could i point out the scene of the ant in the gravestone as a picture of the individual’s conscience not being aware of the larger picture where he walks?)
And Hu the great is a reminder that chinese have roughly 4.000 years of needed cooperation. And before that the yellow emperor is probably the basis on which he created.
Without any solid presentable evidence, I am inclined to believe that the lesson about not seeking hegemony is at least 5.000 yo and china learned it fully.
Thanks for your posts

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 28 2025 1:22 utc | 60

I live in an area with a very visible homeless problem and I can honestly see the necessity in “violating” the individual’s rights for their own good. I think we are getting to that point. Letting people rot in the street is an indictment against the west. So it would not surprise me if in the near future when a real populist revolution comes around that we did forcefully gather those in the gutter up.
We are really only a stone’s throw from that kind of public policy (re?)emerging in the west.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 28 2025 1:18 utc | 57
Careful, the way the west deals with those problems has a less than stellar record…
I mentioned we westerners prefer a choice, but if it comes to being “rehabilitated by the state”, I’d rather risk my luck with china than the west…

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 28 2025 1:25 utc | 61

@59 newbie
Mental illness is a horrific problem in the west right now. Largely thanks to its ever-widening wealth disparity and lack of universal Healthcare.
I am very aware of our problem with authoritarian police force and the morale of low-paid Healthcare workers. Horror stories abound.
In the mid 2000s, there was an incident in Portland, Oregon, where an ill man on the street, James Chasse, was busted for urinating in public. Being in psychosis, he ran from them immediately and they chased him down, beat him without recognizing his illness, and he died on the way to the hospital.
It was a big deal. Not as big as a black man trying to pass a phony bill high on fentaynl who got busted and died from an overdose. But the similarities were eery.
But, like it or not, a central hospital for mental health recovery is sorely needed again.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 28 2025 1:38 utc | 62

1.66% Chinese 10 Year
4.25% US treasury 10 year
Which country has a bigger debt burden ?
Posted by: Exile | Apr 27 2025 17:59 utc | 31
Feels like I’m back around 2008 again and the attraction of that ten year little pesky number – four and a quarter – four and a quarter? What? There must be something going on again – so there must.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 28 2025 1:40 utc | 63

Small displacement (5.000 tons), big badaboom (74 vertical launch tubes, including 20 big ones)
More news from north korea
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/nkorea-frigate-54pct-firepower-destroyer-choi-hyon

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 28 2025 1:47 utc | 64

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 28 2025 1:47 utc | 62
######
Hey! NO FAIR!
Asians are not supposed to have navies!

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 28 2025 1:55 utc | 65

Hey! NO FAIR!
Asians are not supposed to have navies!
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 28 2025 1:55 utc | 63
Worse, they can, and will send them to the western front if need arises.
Check out the ukraine thread and the tass article.
I am tempted to say it’s a recruitment drive for nato “alternative” (counter to be serious) and article 4 beats article 5
And as this is the open thread, it’s another hard line that now the west has to handle, bet trump is regretting not nuking north korea back in the first term.
Big bad question, even less fair, for the west… when will china sign?

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 28 2025 2:02 utc | 66

I’ve been fairly ill lately, consequently not doing much as health sorta confines me to quarters – still get visitors of course but that is not the proactive way I have always functioned, at least until recently. Anyway nuff of that which I say only by way of explanation for what I’m about to say, I have no wont or desire for sympathy from humans I’ve not met.
During this hiatus from the world I’ve reverted to my earliest passion, that of reading y’know actual books, my favourite relaxation for most of my life – until the net intruded.
The book I picked up last weekend when I was bed ridden was “Alone” William Manchester’s second volume of his W Churchill hagiography (claims to be a biography but reads more like a vanity publication Churchill may have commissioned had he been alive in 1987 when it was published). I had picked up the book in the hope it would give details of Churchill’s excesses particularly that of keeping all ANZAC forces in Europe after 1942 when it became plain that Australia & even Aotearoa were threatened by Japan. Unfortunately that is contained in the 3rd volume of Manchester’s trilogy which covers Churchill as PM of england. By the time I recognised that I was already into the book because it revealed much much more about the timidity of the governments of england and france right through the 1930’s. The timidity was not entirely unwanted, the awful toll of the ‘war to end all wars’ remained with both england and france right up until the war broke out again. However once a.hitler’s deceits became known, along with his ambitions as expressed in ‘mein kampf’ a book which it appears Churchill was one of the few euro politicians to have read, defence policies should have changed. They did not and appeasement continued even after the outbreak of war! It was only the backhanded ‘Let’s watch know-it-all Churchill fail’ motive which caused many tory pols to go along with public demand to make him prime minister.
Anyway the reason I post about it now is that there are two extremely interesting issues the book points out, issues which may be as much interest to some here as they were to me.
The first concerns the intransigence of both the Englander and French governments to building their defence capability in the 8 years between a. hitler scamming his way into the German chancellorship and their reluctant declarations of war against the nazis.
Whilst at least some of this was down to the rightist tendencies of most of europe’s governments, including england and france, regarding the problem as solely that is simple in hindsight but inaccurate. The chief reason for their reluctance was that they didn’t want to provoke hitler who threw tantrums, lied and made threats about anything and everything, much of it none of his concern such as, from any european media’s criticism of him or his government to complaining about england considering beefing up its airforce or france’s construction of the worthless Maginot line.
The fact is that post ‘The Great War’ 1914 – 1918 europe’s population had become increasingly pacifist, no bad thing but when one powerful neighbouring nation with a huge chip on its shoulder, is doing the exact opposite, highly dangerous.
If either or better both, governments had stood up to the scumbag early in his reign Germany’s military who were also concerned that ‘the great war’ had cost so much blood and treasure, wouldn’t have become the most powerful in europe. Consequently it is highly likely that the wehrmacht would have couped hitler out of office in favour of a reversion to domination of Germany by a Prussian military elite. Germany would have become more militarist but less warlike.
The only member of parliament who consistently urged rearmament was Churchill, the man who had been highlighting the nazi danger since he read ‘Mein Kampf’ shortly after publication. Once a. hitler came to power Churchill became more urgent in his insistence than england needed to invest in its airforce to defend against germany bombing england as well as increasing the size of the army and replacing some of the navy’s aging battlefleet.
Most importantly the book has reinforced the fact that the USSR had spent most of that decade attempting to enter into a mutual defence pact with england & france and that Churchill (the self-avowed post ww2 anti-communist) had fought for a pact with the USSR since the mid 1930’s.
Here is a short extract of the book concerning that – there are many others.

”The extent of Churchill’s information about Kremlin infighting is unknown. But the Soviet envoy Maisky was almost certainly his chief confidant. It can hardly have been coincidence that he renewed his campaign for the triple alliance on May 4, the day after Litvinov was sacked. The chief stumbling block, he knew, was Poland. The Poles were adamant that Russian troops never be permitted to cross their territory, not even, say, if Germany attacked France and the Red Army lunged westward to support the French. Beck and his fellow officers in Warsaw not only persisted in regarding the Russians as lepers; they resented anyone who suggested that they be treated as anything else.”

A couple of points of information Ivan Maisky was the Russian ambassador to england and Maksim Litvinov the Soviet commissar for foreign affairs at the Kremlin.
Litvinov had put everything on resolving the a. hitler issue by entering into an england/france/USSR defence treaty from the mid 1930’s on so that when in 1939 it became obvious that england and france didn’t want to ‘offend’ a. hitler by making Poland accept the USSR part of their defence treaty, Stalin gave him the flick into retirement and gave the gig to V. Molotov who immediately brokered the Treaty of Non-Aggression between Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. A big error but the only viable option for the USSR as unlike france & england’s politicians apart from churchill, many in the Politburo had read ‘mein kampf’ and knew that hitler had identified their nation as being the vast fertile lands hitler had said aryans would use for their lebensraum.
Although others may not I found this book extremely interesting not only because it exposes many of the political machinations by euro nations pre-WW2, it raises some interesting parallels with contemporary issues, particularly the similarity in deceitful behaviour between a. hitler and b. Netanyahu. Consequently I have scoured the net for versions of this book and came across both an epub edition and an audiobook version. If interested in more of this or even checking my statements
you will find a downloadable folder containing both here.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 28 2025 2:08 utc | 67

I am willing to change my mind about China but none of the replies to my posts in this thread made me change my mind about the financial situation in China.
It was / is “crickets” about the posts I wrote in this thread about the financial ramifications of the Trade War between China and the US.

Posted by: WMG | Apr 28 2025 2:08 utc | 68

I am willing to change my mind about China but none of the replies to my posts in this thread made me change my mind about the financial situation in China.
It was / is “crickets” about the posts I wrote in this thread about the financial ramifications of the Trade War between China and the US.
Posted by: WMG | Apr 28 2025 2:08 utc | 66
Not going full SoA but for a system as china has… not a big issue.
What does china need? Resources it can buy elsewhere. And plenty to give in return even if thrown out of swift/usd
It has bootstrapped the hard part, it can create virtually any capital investment from internal know-how and machines.
Anything short of making most other countries renege on previous contracts and/or full blockade are peanuts without significant impact on citizen’s well being.
What RF did is much easier for china (as long as it keeps a couple of good friends with the right resources, I’d say RF and brazil,south africa with a dash of some countries would be more than enough)
Decoupling would probably be catastrophic for the US, south korea, japan, and germany.
Losing australia would hurt both sides and losing some south american countries like chile and peru, and even some african resources could be problematic before re-routing.
The financial part could be managed, it is not a financialized casino, it’s a serious economy.

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 28 2025 2:25 utc | 69

Don Bacon replied to say that China does not claim sea to the nine dash line which was stated in the graphic I reproduced:

Walt, China has not made a claim regarding a nine-dash line. The drawing dating from ROC days is sometimes published by China, without any claim, and many times by China critics, but it has no standing in international law. It’s basically US propaganda frequently used by China critics when actually they are just inventing claims when really it’s just the US and friends pulling the dragon’s tail.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 27 2025 17:12 utc | 24
The graphic, reproduced from Wikipedia, is therefore evidently highly inaccurate. As I understand it, China’s claims are to above water features within the nine dash line and not all the water. Here is a tract from the South China Morning Post.

The conventional wisdom is that Beijing “claims almost the entire South China Sea” but this oversimplifies its position and, while it might not be entirely inaccurate, risks being interpreted as a claim over the whole area within the line as its territorial waters. In fact, Beijing’s position is more nuanced and starts with its “indisputable” sovereignty over islands, reefs, shoals and cays in the Pratas, Paracel, Spratly and Zhongsha islands, which it says is based on history. Under Chinese law, only the waters within 12 nautical miles seaward of the baselines of these maritime features are regarded as part of China’s territorial sea and Beijing accordingly claims the contiguous zone, exclusive economic zone, and continental shelf.

China’s actual claims in the “West Philippine Sea”, as Manila refers to it, according to Deepseek are:

Paracel Islands (Xisha Qundao) – Controlled by China but also claimed by Vietnam and Taiwan.
Spratly Islands (Nansha Qundao) – Claimed in whole by China (and Taiwan), but parts are also claimed and occupied by Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, and Brunei.
Pratas Islands (Dongsha Qundao) – Administered by Taiwan (Republic of China) but claimed by the People’s Republic of China.
Macclesfield Bank (Zhongsha Qundao) – A submerged atoll claimed by China and Taiwan, with no land above water. The Philippines also contests part of it (Scarborough Shoal).
Scarborough Shoal (Huangyan Dao) – Controlled by China but claimed by the Philippines and Taiwan.
China’s claims are based on historical records, though they are disputed by neighboring countries and have been a source of regional tension. The Nine-Dash Line (now often referred to as the Ten-Dash Line in newer Chinese maps) represents Beijing’s expansive maritime claims in the South China Sea, though this was partially invalidated by a 2016 ruling by the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) in The Hague, which China rejected.

Posted by: Walt | Apr 28 2025 3:35 utc | 70

Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 28 2025 2:08 utc | 65
I was born in the final year of the Second World War. All my life I believed that Hitler was a war-mongering menace and that Britain and its allies did the right thing to retaliate and eventually triumph.
Just a few months ago, I read AJP Taylor’s “Origins of the Second World War” (1961) and that shook my beliefs to the core. Here is an extract from Wikipedia.

Taylor’s thesis was that Hitler was not the demoniacal figure of popular imagination but in foreign affairs a normal German leader. Citing Fritz Fischer, he argued that the foreign policy of Nazi Germany was the same as those of the Weimar Republic and the German Empire. Moreover, in a partial break with his view of German history advocated in The Course of German History, he argued that Hitler was not just a mainstream German leader but also a mainstream Western leader. As a normal Western leader, Hitler was no better or worse than Gustav Stresemann, Neville Chamberlain or Édouard Daladier. His argument was that Hitler wished to make Germany the strongest power in Europe but he did not want or plan war. The outbreak of war in 1939 was an unfortunate accident caused by mistakes on everyone’s part and was not a part of Hitler’s plan.

It was repeatedly stated that Hitler admired Britain and its empire and had no wish to engage in a war with it.
I followed up with researches and found for example, that Britain first bombed civilian targets in Germany in the Ruhr on 15 May 1940, and went on to bomb Berlin on 25 August 1940. Germany retaliated with the Blitz on London from 7 September 1940 to 11 May 1941.
Ultimately I came to the conclusion that Germany need not have been an enemy, and WW2 need never have happened. What a different place the world would have been today.

Posted by: Walt | Apr 28 2025 4:12 utc | 71

It was / is “crickets” about the posts I wrote in this thread about the financial ramifications of the Trade War between China and the US.
Posted by: WMG | Apr 28 2025 2:08 utc | 66
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The war is over. Trump has been backtracking for a week.
The bond market couldn’t handle the way Trump was pushing tariffs.
China has also embargoed critical inputs needed for military and high-tech production. The US has no workaround for that.
American farmers are being devastated by the Chinese canceling beef and soybean orders. Brazil is handling the soybeans and Australia the beef.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 28 2025 4:13 utc | 72

Did I mention that China has cancelled all of its energy purchases from America and is now importing from Canada (among others)?
In the space of a month, China wiped out the US leverage in the global economy.
That is why Scott Bessent sounds increasingly shrill and pushy when he speaks in public.
He’s resorted to demanding that global banks stop lending to China altogether.
Trump, meanwhile, maintains the charade that the Chinese are negotiating daily with the US, and the Chinese have stated publicly multiple times that they have ZERO contact with the Yankees.
The Chinese government would never lie the way Western governments do. If they say “no contact”, it is no contact.
Also, the Japanese are pushing back on Trump’s attempts to negotiate, and the South Koreans already have a zero-tariff agreement with the US.
The only one that is “playing ball” is India, but India is too far down the value chain when it comes to manufacturing to matter.
Xi recently did an Asian tour, firming up economic relations with Vietnam and Cambodia.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 28 2025 4:23 utc | 73

@ Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 27 2025 19:41 utc | 42
I thought it was just me 😀

Posted by: Planner | Apr 28 2025 4:35 utc | 74

re Walt | Apr 28 2025 4:12 utc | 69 who said
“Ultimately I came to the conclusion that Germany need not have been an enemy, and WW2 need never have happened.” I don’t disagree but unfortunately for everyone especially Germans, a. hitler finangled his way into sociopathic tyranny. Perhaps you should read ‘mein kampf’.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 28 2025 4:43 utc | 75

Socialism means state of the arts cities, clean modern infrastructure, high speed rail, national health care, affordable education, an end to homelessness and more.

It’s time to learn from China.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 28 2025 5:10 utc | 76

The first unmanned bus line in southwest China’s Guizhou is undergoing trial operation in the Huaxi University Town, and is expected to open for public on May 4 to provide more travel options and help ease traffic congestion. By then, citizens can reserve free rides via mobile app or QR code to enjoy self-driving experiences on this 5-km route.

Photos
https://x.com/ChinaScience/status/1916719024932815281

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 28 2025 5:13 utc | 77

The first unmanned bus line in southwest China’s Guizhou is undergoing trial operation in the Huaxi University Town
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 28 2025 5:13 utc | 75

A funny story ’cause bus transit is usually installed in regions that cannot afford light rail which certainly isn’t the case for China.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 28 2025 5:20 utc | 78

Meanwhile, Musk’s « full self driving » cars keep smashing into things 😹

Posted by: Featherless | Apr 28 2025 5:53 utc | 79

@ WMG | Apr 28 2025 2:08 utc | 66
Agree simultaneously with your posts and the responses thereto.
Does China face a financial crisis? Yes. So does everyone else, because of AI.
In the best-case scenario, AI will simultaneously provide a fantastic quality of life to everyone and eliminate all jobs. But, in a financial system where most money is borrowed into existence by people with jobs: mass layoffs -> reduced borrowing -> monetary growth stalling and reversing hard.

Posted by: I forgot | Apr 28 2025 6:05 utc | 80

Posted by: too scents | Apr 28 2025 5:20 utc | 76
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I read that as specifically trialing unmanned buses.
All over China, as I understand it, they are trying out new things. I am sure many first gen prototypes flop but there has to be a V1 before there can be a V2.
So… not really free market.
The better command economy is the one that executes oligarchs, not the one that puts them in charge.
In the West, due to IP, regulation, and financialization, innovation has ground to a halt.
The closest thing to innovation in the West are the Musk firms which are subsidized by the USG, usually the DOD or some other 3LA.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 28 2025 6:07 utc | 81

This line
>>>> So… not really free market.
Was in reference to Musk’s funding.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 28 2025 6:08 utc | 82

Meanwhile, Musk’s « full self driving » cars keep smashing into things 😹
Posted by: Featherless | Apr 28 2025 5:53 utc | 77

Unlike personal transportation the “driver” of a mass transportation vehicle is also frequently the “conductor”, a more important role that has a social aspect.
Why even take away a chauffeur’s job? They provide cultural knowledge for their passengers that “self driving” lacks.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 28 2025 6:12 utc | 83

A funny story ’cause bus transit is usually installed in regions that cannot afford light rail which certainly isn’t the case for China.
Posted by: too scents | Apr 28 2025 5:20 utc | 76
Two reasons.
Guizhou is one of China’s most impoverished provinces.
And.
The province lies deep in the mountains in the southwest and is one of the few in the country that lack flat arable land. Not good for rail systems.
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2019-08-10/China-lifts-7-million-people-out-of-poverty-in-Guizhou-J2qQ9v5yW4/index.html#:~:text=Guizhou%20is%20one%20of%20China%27s%20most%20impoverished%20provinces.,in%20the%20country%20that%20lack%20flat%20arable%20land.

Posted by: Walt | Apr 28 2025 6:17 utc | 84

Posted by: too scents | Apr 28 2025 6:12 utc | 81
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The future will be less laborious. The day is coming when AI drivers will be safer and more efficient than humans. That day is coming soon with China aggressively developing those technologies.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 28 2025 6:19 utc | 85

Guizhou is one of China’s most impoverished provinces.
Posted by: Walt | Apr 28 2025 6:17 utc | 82

So why eliminate the Chauffers’ jobs?

Posted by: too scents | Apr 28 2025 6:20 utc | 86

The future will be less laborious.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 28 2025 6:19 utc | 83

I suggest you learn the labor theory of value.
Value comes from human effort.

As a regulatory norm in the market place, value can exist, Marx shows, only when and where commodity exchange has become “a normal social act.”
https://davidharvey.org/2018/03/marxs-refusal-of-the-labour-theory-of-value-by-david-harvey/

Posted by: too scents | Apr 28 2025 6:25 utc | 87

Why even take away a chauffeur’s job? They provide cultural knowledge for their passengers that “self driving” lacks.
Posted by: too scents | Apr 28 2025 6:12 utc | 81
I just can’t imagine a self-driving Green Tortoise.
It would prolly stop at the Burger King in Grants Pass. 🙂

Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 28 2025 6:33 utc | 88

So why eliminate the Chauffers’ jobs?
Posted by: too scents | Apr 28 2025 6:20 utc | 84
They haven’t actually told me yet but I suspect they have to demonstrate the feasibility to potential customers on their home ground to get orders. Looks like they are generating employment opportunities well enough.

Made with a new intelligent manufacturing technology with AI algorithms at its core, the bus received bulk orders from over 30 countries and regions including Spain, Italy, South Korea, the US, and Japan. It has also obtained testing licenses for public roads in Turin, Italy, and Guiyang. Meanwhile, the licenses in cities such as Beijing, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen are in the process of being applied for, aiming to expand operations nationwide.

https://www.eguizhou.gov.cn/guiyang/2025-01/10/c_1063663.htm

Posted by: Walt | Apr 28 2025 6:33 utc | 89

Chyna
§|~ Shanghai motor show TOP 20: The CRAZIEST motor show I’ve ever been to!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xuv87xMDBho
Shanghai Motor Show (tour) to give you an idea of the scale
of the Chinese car market and some of the stuff we do have coming to Australia.
China sells over 30 million new cars a year domestically.
There’s 150 car brands. So it is a mammoth mammoth car market and…… some of the the cool stuff that’s here, some of the brands you’ve never heard of that might come to Australia.
One that I’m excited about is a plug-in hybrid dual cab ute from Nissen that could be the next Navara ………

50mins

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 28 2025 6:38 utc | 90

I suspect they have to demonstrate the feasibility to potential customers on their home ground to get orders.
Posted by: Walt | Apr 28 2025 6:33 utc | 87

So its the potential customers that want to take away the jobs?

Posted by: too scents | Apr 28 2025 6:44 utc | 91

https://www.eguizhou.gov.cn/guiyang/2025-01/10/c_1063663.htm
Posted by: Walt | Apr 28 2025 6:33 utc | 87

Looking at the picture it seems that the plan is to demote the driver to a cleaner.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 28 2025 6:46 utc | 92

So its the potential customers that want to take away the jobs?
Posted by: too scents | Apr 28 2025 6:44 utc | 89
I am sorry but you are making no sense at all.
But I will try to explain.
Potential customers may place orders. They seem to be doing so in large numbers.
This means that the factory, which is based in Guizhou, will need to employ many, many more people.
Far more than would be needed to drive a few buses around the town.
So people in the region who may presently be unemployed can apply for jobs and may become employed.
Not too difficult, is it?

Posted by: Walt | Apr 28 2025 6:59 utc | 93

So people in the region who may presently be unemployed can apply for jobs and may become employed.
Posted by: Walt | Apr 28 2025 6:59 utc | 91

Their product demotes chauffers to bus cleaners.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 28 2025 7:07 utc | 94

Posted by: Jeffrey Kaye | Apr 27 2025 18:08 utc | 32
Spot on, Jeff!
Bhadrakumar has become a joke!

Posted by: v | Apr 28 2025 7:08 utc | 95

@ too scents | Apr 28 2025 6:25 utc | 85
Should chauffeurs continue to drive in order to eat, while competing with machines that drive better and far cheaper than they do? Or should chauffeurs and humans generally equally share ownership of the means of production — the AI software and hardware that will soon run everything — so they can spend their time any way they like constrained by a UBI that grows every year as automation grows itself?
If any theory or any particular interpretation of that theory argues in favor of “yes” to the first question rather than to the second question, I prefer another theory.

Posted by: I forgot | Apr 28 2025 7:13 utc | 96

I prefer another theory.
Posted by: I forgot | Apr 28 2025 7:13 utc | 94

What theory gives Art its value?

Posted by: too scents | Apr 28 2025 7:23 utc | 97

https://x.com/timand2037/status/1915000882216972710
Someone pls post this to Bessent Xwitter account. Then if someone could post the X of his head exploding.
Thanks

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 28 2025 9:02 utc | 98

Argo AI was operating LVL4 Self-Driving cars in a half dozen cities sucessfully for like 3 years. In 2022, Argo AI was folded into the respective Ford and BMW teams.
Of course, the best solution is living car free. Who needs the trouble, inconvenience, costs, and eliminating 1/2 of one‘s Garden to store a stinky and deadly weapon ?

Posted by: Exile | Apr 28 2025 9:07 utc | 99

Self-driving taxis setup as an inexpensive solution for those situations where buses n trains aren’t convenient, that would be pretty cool.

Posted by: Featherless | Apr 28 2025 9:17 utc | 100