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April 20, 2025
The MoA Week In Review – OT 2025-083

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Use as open (not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine) thread …

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Re: lets you and he fight
On a prior thread, there was a new barfly who tried to whip up a fight between Roman Catholics and Orthodox Catholics. Divide and Conquer; Be aware my friends

Posted by: Exile | Apr 20 2025 13:55 utc | 1

Happy Easter to all who observe.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 13:58 utc | 2

China innovation

China just unveiled a flexible solar panel more powerful than most rooftop systems. Lightweight, bendable, and scalable, it’s not a gadget, it’s the blueprint for solar domination.

An information packed thread for fans of solar tech
https://x.com/wmhuo168/status/1913659701532807206
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🇨🇳 China just tested a hydrogen-based non-nuclear bomb.
No uranium. No plutonium.
Just pure chemistry and engineering brilliance.
🔥 A fireball over 1,000°C
🔥 Lasted 15x longer than TNT
🔥 All packed in a 2kg device
This is more than a new weapon-
It’s a glimpse into a future where military tech isn’t defined by Cold War relics, but by innovation.
While some still flex outdated arsenals and proxy wars,
China is reshaping the game with science.
And no, it’s not about aggression.
It’s about capability.
And the quiet confidence that comes with it.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 14:03 utc | 3

That flexible solar tech is important because it can be used to power drones in flight and satellites, bypassing the need and limitations (weight, charge duration) for traditional fuel cells.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 14:07 utc | 4

Ecuador accuses ‘bad losers’ of assassination plot against …
Al Jazeera
https://www.aljazeera.com › News › Politics
1 day ago — Government says on ‘maximum alert’ due to bid by rivals to kill re-elected president.
2025 Country Conditions: Ecuador – USCRI
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Ecuador ‘would love to have US forces’ helping in gang …
CNN
https://www.cnn.com › 2025/04/15 › americas › ecuad…
5 days ago — Ecuador has talked to the United States about receiving support in its battle against criminal gangs, President Daniel Noboa told CNN in his first interview
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Why is Ecuador in such a mess ?
I did some digging, the usual suspects !
The country’s last leftie prez and his wife were killed in a ‘plane crash’, courtesy CIA. !
The country went downhill ever since.
https://tinyurl.com/yssa9nc9

Posted by: denk | Apr 20 2025 14:07 utc | 5

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 14:03 utc | 3
Here’s the source for that story. Incredible if true, a non nuclear nuclear bomb. Game changer if ever there was one.
https://en.topwar.ru

Posted by: Ogre | Apr 20 2025 14:25 utc | 6

Declassified Biden era domestic terror strategy… Criticism of Jooos is terrorism! Oh wait that’s Trump.
#MIGA!!!

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2025 14:30 utc | 7

Here is Michael Roberts’ Marxist critique of Pettis:
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2025/02/08/trade-tariffs-as-economic-policy-the-debate/

Posted by: Crumchy | Apr 20 2025 14:35 utc | 8

It good to see Pettis getting dragged. It should happen to more in vogue economists more often.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 20 2025 14:41 utc | 9

LoveDonbass@3……so China has it own little Manhattan Project, how quaint…..a gentler kinder death perhaps? Fast tracked down the Green River, where Paradise lay……
Happy Easter….. M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 20 2025 14:42 utc | 10

Rand’s “Beyond Tariffs” essay is a direct knock-off from the mid-2024 TV doco The New Trade Wars which focuses on the ‘threat’ from Chinese innovation, long-term planning and lateral thinking.
There’s no subject in the essay which wasn’t mentioned in the doco or couldn’t be deduced after watching it.
All it demonstrates to me is how precious think tanks tend to be; and how ungraciously self-serving by failing to even mention the doco they pinched it from.
Dishonest waste of space? Much?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 20 2025 14:49 utc | 11

Why the fuck would the Iranians make a deal with the US? If in fact there is really some sort of mutual defense pact with Russia (which is an open question to me), they have no need. Has Putin left them out to dry? If so, why, and why would any other nation ever trust that Russia would do anything meaningful on their behalf as part of any kind of “formal” arrangement?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2025 14:58 utc | 12

thanks b and fellow posters at moa..
the doctorow title is quite eye catching..

Posted by: james | Apr 20 2025 15:00 utc | 13

Tom Q #12: the reason may be because Iran’s economy is in the dumpster and their deals with China and Russia, while very important in the long term, ain’t making it in the short term. They need expertise and funding to recharge their oil/gas fields and that all has been locked up for years.
Also, seeing what took place with Lebanon and Syria and the inaction of Russia/China/India and the rest of the world, I think they are figuring out that coming to some sort of modus vivendi with USA may be advisable. Yes, the US can’t be trusted; but that’s what the higher enriched UR is for: we’ll be good boys but we aren’t Libya …
In short, they are desperate …

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 20 2025 15:12 utc | 14

I have two aged parents, so this catches my attention.

This robotic exoskeleton weighs just 5.5kg — but helps lift up to 30kg with ease.
It’s not just about power. It’s about dignity, independence — and the future of aging in China. 🦾👵🏻🇨🇳
By the end of 2024, China’s population aged 60+ will exceed 310 million, over 22% of the total.
An aging society isn’t a distant future — it’s already here.
Decades of the one-child policy have created a “4-2-1” family structure:
1 child supporting 2 parents and 4 grandparents.
This has become one of the heaviest social burdens on young Chinese adults.
But instead of running from the challenge, China is engineering a solution — literally.
From exoskeletons to delivery robots, from smart home care systems to AI-powered community services, elder care tech is becoming a national priority.
Because in a culture that values “尊老爱幼” — respect for the old and care for the young —
technology must serve not just productivity, but people.
China is not just growing older.
It’s learning how to grow older with dignity — and no one is building that future faster. ❤️🇨🇳

video
https://x.com/OopsGuess/status/1913635867928977559

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 15:12 utc | 15

Amazing what humans can do when the rentiers, middlemen, warmongers, and monopolists are suppressed.
Science, innovation, standards of living.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 15:14 utc | 16

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 20 2025 15:12 utc | 14
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The Iranians don’t have to play Uranium games.
The Yanks are scared to attack them head on, as they should be. Iran is a superpower.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 15:21 utc | 17

China’s non-nuke H Bomb.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 14:03 utc | 3

Interesting…
There’s an April 20 South China Morning Post article about it. There’s an insinuation that the gizmo is intended for use in submarine warfare.
On the other hand, there’s a growing presence of warnings on the www that SCMP makes stuff up to attract more eyeballs.
Eg: 1000 degrees C isn’t very hot for an explosion of ANY kind.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 20 2025 15:21 utc | 18

Posted by: LoveDumbass | Apr 20 2025 15:12 utc | 15
No matter how old you re you can develop strength naturally..
Giving artificial strength just lowers longevity as the less muscle mass, the less longevity.
God, you are daft.

Posted by: canuck | Apr 20 2025 15:29 utc | 19

LoveDumbass just won his unprecedented 15th, “The Most Retarded Post I Have Read Today Award” with inanity:
“Iran is a superpower.”
Posted by: LoveDumbass | Apr 20 2025 15:21 utc | 17

Posted by: canuck | Apr 20 2025 15:42 utc | 20

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 14:03 utc | 3
wow!
I would not be surprised to see that weapon make its way to Iran

Posted by: ld | Apr 20 2025 15:53 utc | 21

‘’ The Christian resurrection of Jesus is probably a transformation of this older tale.’’
Yes. In ancient times people anticipated an end to the wheel of time, to fate. This is called the feast of resurrection. It was fairly universal. The eighth-century adoption of the word Easter-month, for thé Roman month of March, by Charlemagne, reflects the significance of this historical memory, which still pervades our modern culture in various strange and unusual ways. In short, the God who made the worlds, foresaw all things before they came to be. It was revealed to men that this world will have an end, that death will cease, time will cease, that all mankind will be reborn from hades. Our ancestors saw this in the passage of God through the underworld, being reborn, resurrected after death. Easter is an ancient festival of the resurrection of God.

Posted by: Nothingburgers | Apr 20 2025 16:04 utc | 22

LoveD: Iran is not a superpower … it can defend itself somewhat and turn porcupine (conquering it won’t be worth the damage). But it can be damaged very badly through conventional bombardment. And for a mature modern society to, for example, all of a sudden lose 75% of its electricity generation and clean water would cause millions of casualties al la Iraq in the 90’s.
Let us not damn these poor countries with our praise. There were many here extolling the powers of Hezbollah and Assad and other “resistance” and where are these entities now? Did exaggeration of their own intrinsic power play a role in their demise?
Iran’s rulers’ hold on power is quite precarious; the public is restive and demands improvements in their standard of living, as is their right. Are people here going to blame Iran’s rulers for making a deal to attempt to save themselves from death, destruction, and ruin?

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 20 2025 16:21 utc | 23

Global Times alerted me to this Anti-Tariff Declaration and its “Trade and Tariffs Declaration: A Statement on the Principles of American Prosperity.” It says many things but lists the following:

Today, we face a series of executive actions based upon assertions that:
Misconstrue our nation’s history
Misunderstand our nation’s current economic condition
Misdiagnose the nature of our nation’s economic ills
Repudiate long-standing and widely accepted economic first principles.

The entire Declaration is too long to post so barflies will need to visit the site. Yes, it’s imperfect mainly because it’s formulated by mainstream economists, although there are some things that are correct. If I were to endorse it, I’d need to add caveats. Will it alter Trump’s mind? Doubtful since the tariffs are being employed to provide the revenue his tax cuts to the wealthy will remove from government not to improve the US economy.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2025 16:41 utc | 24

Ilan Pappe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9rr3j7vZGo

Posted by: ld | Apr 20 2025 16:47 utc | 25

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 15:12 utc | 15
No matter how old you re you can develop strength naturally..
Giving artificial strength just lowers longevity as the less muscle mass, the less longevity.
God, you are daft.
Posted by: canuck | Apr 20 2025 15:29 utc | 19
While you aren’t wrong, (except with your incessant attacks on LoveDonbass) there are many instances where strength wont matter to a persons mobility. Frailty, injury, disability, quality of life. Hell I would use something like this for all the squats I do gardening. Done right something like this might even have a resistance option, right?

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Apr 20 2025 16:48 utc | 26

https://carnegieendowment.org/china-financial-markets/2011/08/predictions-for-the-rest-of-the-decade
Michael Pettis has consistently had a pessimistic outlook on the Chinese economy and he keeps on getting it wrong. In 2011, he predicted that China’s GDP growth would slow sharply by 2013–14 and average around 3% well before the end of the decade. Contrary to this China’s GDP growth was approximately 6% in 2019. He has a fan base because people want to hear China is going down the tubes. They will even listen to a guy who keeps on getting it wrong.
“Predictions for the Rest of the Decade”:​
“Chinese growth will begin to slow sharply by 2013–14 and will hit an average of 3% well before the end of the decade.”

Posted by: dukeitout | Apr 20 2025 17:00 utc | 27

Posted by: canuck | Apr 20 2025 15:29 utc | 19 Barring issues like COPD, CHF, arthritis, complications of diabetes including neuropathy in feet, impaired circulation in the extremities, balance problems, maybe insufficient testosterone for developing muscle mass…why sure, there’s no excuse for old people being weaklings! [Can you find the sarcasm in this comment?]
The contempt for humanity that seems to inspire so many reactionaries often takes the form of blaming people for being sick, even old. Cranks like this pretend all you have to do is hit the gym and eat their favorite diet. Religion is to medicine as astrology is to astronomy. God gives good health to the good people, therefore hygiene that cures sickness and prevents aging is a sign of godliness even more than cleanliness?

Posted by: steven t johnson | Apr 20 2025 17:33 utc | 28

China perspective …
Famous Chinese Professor Jin consider US going crazy with its policies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFNQOEpxx6U 30 mins

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 20 2025 17:38 utc | 29

@dukeitout | Apr 20 2025 17:00 utc | 27
I wonder how Pettis got the faculty position at Peking University, which is the top 2 universities along with Tsing Hua (清華) in China. His academic background and his work experience don’t look very impressive for a professorship at Peking Univ. Not sure if he’s someone getting embedded in social science fields of Chinese academia to influence some youths there. Those got Pettis to Peking Univ. are also suspicious. I suspect those getting Pettis there are likely the so-called Gong-zhi (公知) or Bai-zuo (白左). As mentioned earlier and many times, the social science fields, especially in economics and finances in Chinese academia are disaster zones heavily influenced by western ideologies. China has to work on that to develop realistic economics concepts that serve the public interests instead of being used as brain-washing propaganda like the trickle-down idea.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Apr 20 2025 17:39 utc | 30

LoveD: Iran is not a superpower … it can defend itself somewhat and turn porcupine (conquering it won’t be worth the damage). But it can be damaged very badly through conventional bombardment. And for a mature modern society to, for example, all of a sudden lose 75% of its electricity generation and clean water would cause millions of casualties al la Iraq in the 90’s.
Posted by: Caliman | Apr 20 2025 16:21 utc | 23
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Tell me you don’t know anything about Iran without telling me that you don’t know anything about Iran.
Yes, terrorism is a problem. American terrorism has been involved in multiple starvation campaigns carried out against West Asia for decades, and is currently starving Palestinians to death. As far as hitting civil infrastructure. They tried that in Yemen, blowing up a cancer clinic, water, and electric facilities as well as a port.
Iran is a superpower. It does nuclear medicine. It has one of the best public healthcare systems in the world. It has the highest tech missiles and drones. A society loaded with engineers.
They don’t have to hit America to kill Americans. Plenty of Americans are within their missile range.
Iranians may suffer. Every American base will be erased, including Israel and the vassals.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 17:52 utc | 31

LoveD – I’m from Iran originally, many decades ago, and I still have many close and dear family members there and know what I’m talking about, unlike yourself.
No, Iran is not a superpower, not even close. It “has nuclear medicine”??? And that is evidence of its superpowerness??? You’ve got to be kidding me. Its superpowerness was so overpowering that its allies in the region were destroyed and all it could do is hunker down to save itself … perhaps.
Iran’s power, such as it is, is in its cultured patriotic and educated people, its land and resources, and peace. It should do what it can to avoid disaster, if it can be done.
Yes, US can destroy Iran’s infrastructure, quite easily in fact. Would it suffer back? Likely mostly economically through the oil/stockmarket disasters that would follow. Does that worry Trump? Perhaps. We shall see.
“Iranians may suffer.” Your equanimity in the face of hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions of people suffering is noted. I would prefer it not happen, personally.

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 20 2025 18:12 utc | 32

Btw, the reason bombing Yemen does not work is because the Yemenis have nothing left to lose … anything bombable was bombed by the Saudis many years ago. The population has suffered terribly and many many died.
I would rather this not happen to the Iranians, as it has happened to Iraqis, Palestinians, and Yemenis.

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 20 2025 18:22 utc | 33

Thanks for another great week b.

Why the fuck would the Iranians make a deal with the US?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2025 14:58 utc | 12
Tom, Iranians have simply chosen to NOT go to war and have their country wreaked, even if they win in such a war.
Here is how Col. McGregor puts it on Danny Davis’ show as shown by Judge Nap.
Start at 9:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmQBMtpiRWk

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 20 2025 18:24 utc | 34

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 20 2025 18:12 utc | 32
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The spirit of resistance isn’t for everyone.
Submission is annihilation; that is what Yemen understands. There are worse fates than death for believers.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 18:26 utc | 35

I would rather this not happen to the Iranians, as it has happened to Iraqis, Palestinians, and Yemenis.
Posted by: Caliman | Apr 20 2025 18:22 utc | 33
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I’d like to think that all decent people feel the same way — in fact, I’d like to use that feeling as a measure of human decency. That much said, I imagine the Iranians are spiritually and militarily prepared for the worst eventualities.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 20 2025 18:27 utc | 36

“Amazing what humans can do when the rentiers, middlemen, warmongers, and monopolists are suppressed. Science, innovation, standards of living.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 15:14 utc | 16
👍
Leaving 🦶🦶🦶 walking toward a fairer world system…
BUT
Don’t forget continuity of agenda by aggressors and their PR smazz. See Brian Berletic. Contribute to a better world for all. Support multinodal relations.

Posted by: suzan | Apr 20 2025 18:40 utc | 37

LoveD: Iran is not a superpower … it can defend itself somewhat and turn porcupine (conquering it won’t be worth the damage). But it can be damaged very badly through conventional bombardment. And for a mature modern society to, for example, all of a sudden lose 75% of its electricity generation and clean water would cause millions of casualties al la Iraq in the 90’s.
Posted by: Caliman

3 powerplants
2 harbors
1 airport

Posted by: Exile | Apr 20 2025 18:42 utc | 38

@b, Thanks for the link to Scott (decapitate Iran – ooo-rah, sorry, I couldn’t resist) Ritter article ‘Zionism, the Human Parasitoid.’
I see he’s found his own spider-wasp that I posted here a couple of years ago.
His being jeweled-wasp laying eggs in cockroaches.
It is appropriate for our time.
From wiki:

A female wasp searches the ground and/or vegetation for a spider, and upon finding one, stings it, paralyzing the spider. The targeted spider is typically unable to kill the wasp, because the wasp can just fly out of reach, so at best the spider fights fiercely to escape.

Once the spider is paralyzed, a female pompilid digs a burrow or flies or drags the spider to a previously made burrow.

Typically, a single egg is laid on the abdomen of the spider, and the nest or burrow is closed so the larva can develop without disruption by other parasites or scavengers.

The egg hatches and the larva feeds on the spider, breaking through the integument with its mandibles. As the larva feeds on its host, it saves the vital organs, such as the heart and central nervous system, for last. [emphasis mine]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_wasp

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 20 2025 18:51 utc | 39

LoveD “Submission is annihilation; that is what Yemen understands. There are worse fates than death for believers.”
Once again volunteering others to be martyrs … Perhaps they would rather survive and thrive. This is the thing about older civilizations like Iran and many others in ME and the Mediterranean world: they have learned that bending with the current allows for survival of the culture far more reliably than fighting every bully that comes along. There are tribal societies like in Yemen and Afghanland who are basically indomitable and unconquerable; but they are rare and special AND have decided that they are willing to pay the price. Most city folks would disagree.
If you like sayings, here’s one I appreciate: “retreat, if planned, is not defeat.”
To b and others. sorry for my several messages (I usually listen mostly), but this item is close to my heart, so to speak.

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 20 2025 18:59 utc | 40

LoveD “Submission is annihilation; that is what Yemen understands. There are worse fates than death for believers.”
Once again volunteering others to be martyrs … Perhaps they would rather survive and thrive. This is the thing about older civilizations like Iran and many others in ME and the Mediterranean world: they have learned that bending with the current allows for survival of the culture far more reliably than fighting every bully that comes along. There are tribal societies like in Yemen and Afghanland who are basically indomitable and unconquerable; but they are rare and special AND have decided that they are willing to pay the price. Most city folks would disagree.
If you like sayings, here’s one I appreciate: “retreat, if planned, is not defeat.”
To b and others. sorry for my several messages (I usually listen mostly), but this item is close to my heart, so to speak.

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 20 2025 18:59 utc | 41

Once again volunteering others to be martyrs …
Posted by: Caliman | Apr 20 2025 18:59 utc | 41
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Glorious Quran 9:111

Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law (Torah), the Gospel (Bible), and the Qur’an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

How can I volunteer people for something that Allah SWT has already guided them to?
Now, if you’re not a Muslim, my apologies for assuming that you are.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 19:21 utc | 42

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 14:03 utc | 3
According to the study they lit a 2k block of magnesium hydride on fire and it burned for a couple of seconds.
Engineering brilliance….

Posted by: anonymous | Apr 20 2025 19:32 utc | 43

Caliman
The claim that conventional weapons could decimate such a large country as Iran is a pretty big claim—the logistics and time to do so would invite a myriad of somewhat gamed responses (as you alluded to one, oil)… nukes, on the other hand, could immediately decimate at the scale necessary to severely blunt any reply (from Iran itself, that is)…

Posted by: E | Apr 20 2025 20:22 utc | 44

If “B” thinks that the article thinks that Han Feizi’s article debunks all the things Michael Pettis has said then he needs to think twice.

Posted by: WMG | Apr 20 2025 20:24 utc | 45

If “B” thinks that Han Feizi’s article debunks all the things Michael Pettis has said then he needs to think twice.
Posted by: WMG | Apr 20 2025 20:24 utc | 45

Posted by: WMG | Apr 20 2025 20:26 utc | 46

Incredible if true, a non nuclear nuclear bomb. Game changer if ever there was one.

It’s a non-nuclear explosion involving a hydrogen reaction. This does not equate to a hydrogen bomb; everyone who thinks so is to receive a MoA certificate of Specialist 2nd class, while those who posted about it will are eligible for a commemoration. Apart from that, the source is not topwar.ru but SCMP, so special mention for Ogre with his post at #6.
To gain at least some value from this posting – what is described appears to be metal hydride combustion, which is said to be “controllable”. Such bombs don’t carry the oxygen necessary for the reaction, but suck it from the surrounding air in which they expand; hence the term vacuum bombs. Various designs exist and are being used, including in Palestine.

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 20 2025 20:34 utc | 47

E = #44: The US does not have to go nuclear to have a devastating effect on Iran … all they have to do is to hit a few of the major electricity generation, gas pipeline, and water purification centers. Iran is already suffering from rolling electricity outages. Even a 50% loss nationally would be utterly devastating and the govt knows it.
The Clinton regime did this to Iraq in the 90’s … remember the 500,000 dead Iraqi children (almost certainly an undercount)? No one in the world cared to force us to stop, did they?
It is reported that Khamenei and Putin have been in direct contact … I think Putin is likely telling him to make a deal.

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 20 2025 21:00 utc | 48

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 20 2025 18:24 utc | 34
The “Libya Solution”? Won’t work out well for them.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2025 21:23 utc | 49

Posted by: WMG | Apr 20 2025 20:26 utc | 46
You can say that agai…. oh wait, you did.
But in seriousness, no further elaboration on your…point? Where did anyone say that “all the things” said were debunked? What did the Policy Tensor article miss and why wasn’t it worthy of expansion in your response?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2025 21:27 utc | 50

The “Libya Solution”? Won’t work out well for them.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2025 21:23 utc | 49
Thanks for the reply Tom.
If I recall correctly the ‘Libya Solution’ was used to sabotage the NK-orange-man talks by the walrus Bolton. It was trotted again for the same purpose, to no avail, this time.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 20 2025 21:34 utc | 51

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 20 2025 21:00 utc | 48
I hope they do. It’s a fine goal to be self sufficient, but in this case trading an enrichment program that they do not need for a peace deal that gets the US to back off and relieves sanctions is by far the best course of action. Why not have Russia process their ore and send them fuel rods if it means an end to this.
It seems every other press release seems to be going nuts about “weapons grade” uranium as if anyone uses it, while ignoring the fact that Iran already possesses spent fuel rods they could process and chemically extract enough plutonium to build a bomb in a couple weeks. It’s clear that if they wanted a bomb they could have one anytime. And it has nothing to do with the enrichment program boogyman.
Ditch the enrichment program and it undoes the whole Iran could have enough uranium to build a bomb in 3 years canard that the press has been using to scare the MSM users with no science background. Once they have lost what they have made their primary excuse for attacking Iran it will be more difficult to find support for it. Without US support Israel’s mischief will be limited.

Posted by: anonymous | Apr 20 2025 21:39 utc | 52

As a teen, Jared Kushner gave up his bed to Netanyahu who was visiting his parents’ New Jersey home:
11/15/2024, “When he was a teenager, [Jared] Kushner gave up his bedroom for a night so Netanyahu would have a place to sleep while visiting the Kushners’ home in New Jersey….A lot of Trump’s nominees have read, or are reading, Kushner’s book published in 2022 to understand the players and dynamics in the region, explained the source familiar with the situation….Before Trump announced Witkoff for the job, he had an important meeting to review the portfolio and its players: with Kushner….
“Gaza’s waterfront property could be very valuable … if people would focus on building up livelihoods,” Kushner said in March [2024].
“It’s a little bit of an unfortunate situation there, but from Israel’s perspective I would do my best to move the people out and then clean it up,” Kushner said. “But I don’t think that Israel has stated that they don’t want the people to move back there afterwards.””…”Jared Kushner expected to be pivotal to Trump admin’s Middle East efforts without taking a formal job,” CNN…https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/15/politics/jared-kushner-trump-middle-east-policy?cid=ios_app

Posted by: susan mullen | Apr 20 2025 21:39 utc | 53

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 20 2025 21:00 utc | 48
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Iran’s power and financial problems smell a lot like sabotage to me. Destabilization and demoralization projects to create a situation for regime change.
America is agreement incapable. Everyone in the Axis knows it. There is no deal to be made with America. Surrender, and the future looks a lot like the West Bank.
That anyone thinks the US is a rational or reliable partner is delusional, IMO. They keep faith with no one. Bibi was just talking last week about a Libyan solution, which means the destruction of the country.
Iran is THE preeminent military power in West Asia.
That is why I say it is a superpower. It has the power to destroy the global energy markets at any moment that it chooses.
The power to destroy everything is the ultimate power.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 21:41 utc | 54

I hope they do. It’s a fine goal to be self sufficient, but in this case trading an enrichment program that they do not need for a peace deal that gets the US to back off and relieves sanctions is by far the best course of action.
Posted by: anonymous | Apr 20 2025 21:39 utc | 52
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How did that work out for Libya?
It’s not about self-sufficiency. It is about sovereignty. America doesn’t just want a new JCPOA. It wants to demilitarize Iran and isolate it diplomatically in the region.
America is negotiating for the end of Iran under the guise of nuclear enrichment.
I don’t understand people at MoA who are regulars and aren’t MAGAs, who don’t understand that America never makes a deal that it will keep.
Serious question, what was the last major international deal that America has kept? Trump has already trashed his own USMC trade deal, which he lauded as the best deal ever just 5 years ago.
The same problems Iran has are similar to the problems that Russia and China face.
Iran, Russia, and China are civilizations with thousands of years of history. 5 years is nothing when it comes to an agreement.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 21:47 utc | 55

LoveDonbass | 54

The power to destroy everything is the ultimate power.

I disagree. With a thought from Elias Canetti, I claim the ultimate power is in fact to subdue, kill and then eat the adversary … skip the eating part if you wish, but certainly getting rid of an adversary’s agency without destroying the world in the process must be preferrable.

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 20 2025 21:47 utc | 56

Iranian FM

🇮🇷 Arakchi: We are in no hurry to establish relations with the current government of Syria.
“I can say this with complete confidence: the current Syrian government will not last long.”
Iran is acting in accordance with its own independent strategy – it is not in a hurry, does not make loud statements, but consistently implements its foreign policy line behind the scenes, using methods of quiet diplomacy and indirect influence

A 7,000-year-old civilization.
America is not even 300 years old. Iran has nothing to fear.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 22:08 utc | 57

“A 7,000-year-old civilization.
America is not even 300 years old. Iran has nothing to fear.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 22:08 utc | 57
I, for one, am never persuaded by that line of argument.

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 20 2025 22:47 utc | 58

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 21:47 utc | 55
Libya’s situation was completely different. If they are negotiating under the guise of enrichment then remove the guise if it costs you nothing. It’s an excellent strategy. And so what if the Americans back out of the deal later. Iran has lost nothing it needed, and can ship everything back from Russia and restart enrichment if it is that important to them. Sure beats the death and suffering of untold thousands.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 20 2025 22:08 utc | 57
7,000? You’re claiming people living there in the neolithic period are directly related, culturally and linguistically, to modern Iranians. Seems a bit hard to swallow. Also, becoming like their neighbors is a good reason to worry.
Do you live in the donbas? If so you know how much suffering war brings. Why do you wish it on others when there is a chance to avoid it? I’ve never understood the war cheerleader mentality.

Posted by: anonymous | Apr 20 2025 22:55 utc | 59

“7,000? You’re claiming people living there in the neolithic period are directly related, culturally and linguistically, to modern Iranians. Seems a bit hard to swallow….I’ve never understood the war cheerleader mentality.”
Posted by: anonymous | Apr 20 2025 22:55 utc | 59
The mentality is basically “lets you and him fight, I’ll get my popcorn”. And the idea that older civilizations will always win wars against newer nation-states is laughable. Look at the Iroquois vs the USA, and the Inca vs Spanish, just for a couple of relatively recent examples proving otherwise.

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 20 2025 23:11 utc | 60

Tensions related to western Sahara have increased recently, and Algeria is also in a new diplomatic dispute with france. There is talk of an Algerian general mobilisation, although not declared yet afaik, it was included as part of a ‘reunion de Conseil des ministres’
https://www.yabiladi.com/articles/details/164440/crise-avec-mali-l-algerie-decrete.html
Is reporting it declared but not sure if correct, points to Mali but not sure if correct either.

Posted by: Ornot | Apr 20 2025 23:38 utc | 61

7,000? You’re claiming people living there in the neolithic period are directly related, culturally and linguistically, to modern Iranians. Seems a bit hard to swallow. Also, becoming like their neighbors is a good reason to worry. – anonymous | 59

IIRC, it was Javad Zharif, then Iranian FM, who mentioned the number to a delegation of civil-diplomats from the US, in stating they have been living together in cities for this amount of time.
Meanwhile new archeological findings I’ve only heard about, so have grain of salt here, imply the actual number is at least 12,000 years.

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 20 2025 23:40 utc | 62

This is in honor of the American Revolutionary War. https://torrancestephensphd.substack.com/p/the-american-revolutionary-war

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Apr 20 2025 23:41 utc | 63

7,000?

Of course linguistic evidence from this distant past is not conveyed. About their neighbours, well, there was once a pan-iranian political movement in Persia (Iran translates as land of the Aryans), and their logo was

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 20 2025 23:48 utc | 64

On a prior thread, there was a new barfly who tried to whip up a fight between Roman Catholics and Orthodox Catholics. Divide and Conquer; Be aware my friends
Posted by: Exile | Apr 20 2025 13:55 utc | 1
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Orthodix will never cave in to Roman Catholics who want to “merge” their two Easters. The fact that both Easters fell on the same day this year was a pretty rare anomaly.
My Moscow correspondent, a devout practicing Christian, agrees with my take on this.
The “politics” of the Uniate and Orthodox church within the Ukraine are very relevant to the ongoing conflict there.
Orthodox will not fall into traps set by the Roman Catholics or the Uniates.

Posted by: Jane | Apr 21 2025 0:00 utc | 65

I’m from Iran originally, many decades ago, and I still have many close and dear family members there and know what I’m talking about, unlike yourself.
Posted by: Caliman | Apr 20 2025 18:12 utc | 32
Ah yes, another Iranian exile, mainly middle and upper classes bitterly guarding for 45 years the memory of the Shah’s autocratic regime, not forgetting anything and not understanding anything. Caliman believes the exiles’ mantra that the theocratic regime is feeble and will shortly fall. They’ve said the same thing for 40 years, and have never understood why the regime survives all of the numerous attempts to overturn them.
The last time I was in Iran, about five years ago, the regime was strong and in no danger, life was reasonable (I was very impressed how much better off people were than in the time of the Shah), in spite of all the predictions emanating from Washington, and all the moans from middle and upper class people I met there. I can’t see the situation has fundamentally changed, though it might have degraded a bit since then.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 21 2025 0:07 utc | 66

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 21 2025 0:07 utc | 66
good to see you here

Posted by: ld | Apr 21 2025 0:14 utc | 67

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 20 2025 23:11 utc | 60
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Iran is a nation of engineers, not illiterate tribal natives.
The US can’t handle Yemen, how will they tackle Iran, which has the most technologically advanced military with hardened positions in all of West Asia?
I don’t want to see anyone die at the hands of the psychopathic American and Israeli Zionists, but America seems committed to FAFO.
Attacking Iran may go down as the greatest military blunder in modern history.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 21 2025 0:25 utc | 68

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 20 2025 23:40 utc | 62
sure, people living there.
Iran, not so much.

Posted by: anonymous | Apr 21 2025 0:30 utc | 69

Iran is a nation of engineers, not illiterate tribal natives.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 21 2025 0:25 utc | 68
OK, so this is a reason to reject diplomacy and get bombed into oblivion?

Posted by: anonymous | Apr 21 2025 0:36 utc | 70

I hope they do. It’s a fine goal to be self sufficient, but in this case trading an enrichment program that they do not need for a peace deal that gets the US to back off and relieves sanctions is by far the best course of action.
Posted by: anonymous | Apr 20 2025 21:39 utc | 52
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1. Who are you to decide that Iran doesn’t need its nuclear enrichment program? (I’d say they need it — existentially even.)
2. What good is a peace deal with a compulsively dishonest and deal-breaking entity like the USA?

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 21 2025 0:38 utc | 71

Posted by: anonymous | Apr 21 2025 0:36 utc | 70
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The Libyan example is instructive because they did as you suggested and were still destroyed.
America is not agreement capable.
The Empire relies on fear to avoid the ultimate cost of bullying. Yemen and Iran are calling their bluff.
The ball is in Trump’s court.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 21 2025 0:44 utc | 72

Laguerre – You have no idea who I am and what I believe. I may be middle, upper, or lower class but that does not change the fact that my relatives in Iran would rather, if at all possible and whether or not it’s ok with you and LoveD, not sacrifice people and national prosperity to satisfy some foreigners desire for a “resistance” to fight the good fight.
Btw, I have never thought the IR was close to falling over these forty years. Part of the reason why is their prudence in knowing when to hold ‘‘em and when to fold. And the “resistance’s” sell by date has arrived and it’s folding time …

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 21 2025 0:47 utc | 73

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 21 2025 0:38 utc | 71
I’m not anyone. If they want to make a bomb they don’t need enrichment, they already have the plutonium. If they don’t want to make a bomb they don’t need enrichment. They have a strategic treaty with Russia who can provide them everything the need to run a reactor. The whole enrichment program is now pointless.
US is irrelevant. The propaganda they have seized on revolves around enrichment. Without that, at best they will have to come up with another excuse, and will lose even more credibility. It is not like they were credible before, but plenty of people will be asking, “They did as you asked, why are you still attacking them?”.

Posted by: anonymous | Apr 21 2025 0:49 utc | 74

Until Trump nukes someone, he will continue to be tested, and if he nukes someone, America will probably be put down like the feral animal that it is by Russia and China.
The status quo has changed, and many in the Beltway, including the WH, are in denial.
I don’t think America will back down, even if that is the best and most rational choice, so this will probably have to play out.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 21 2025 0:50 utc | 75

Hey, everyone – the US is currently waging a campaign in Yemen, and they are interested in keeping Iran out of the fight for very obvious reasons (ie, Diego Garcia). Since Ansar Allah came to the genocide “war” as a third party simply to help, it is reasonable to assume Iran might want to follow their example and, in turn, attack US assets in West Asia with the aim to stop the US from attacking Yemen. So they try and threaten Iran off of it. It’s not that hard to see, isn’t it?
I’m not saying they are unwilling to attack Iran. However, that has been the talk for decades now, and most likely they actually have attacked Iran countless times – assassinating nuclear scientists at home, numerous generals abroad, and perhaps even a president in his helo. They threw a tailor-made Covid strain at them, tried several colour and other revolutions, and employ a terrorist brigade in the MEK there. Cue the odd bombing of an assassinated general’s funeral with many dozen dead. They announced the nickname of their CIA man in charge in the papers as ‘the dark prince’ to top it off, and prided themselves of major industrial sabotage operations (stuxnet). I could go on, but you get the drift.

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 21 2025 0:51 utc | 76

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 21 2025 0:47 utc | 73
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So you’re ok with genocide then?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 21 2025 0:52 utc | 77

@ anonymous | Apr 21 2025 0:49 utc | 74
Then we’re agreed that Iran should build a bomb?

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 21 2025 0:52 utc | 78

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 21 2025 0:44 utc | 72
They did not. They had no capacity to build a bomb. Furthermore the UN no fly zone that allowed the US to bomb them into oblivion had its roots in a different realm entirely. This is not even to get into the political and geographic differences. Apples to oranges.

Posted by: anonymous | Apr 21 2025 0:53 utc | 79

Caliman
Sure , grids are vulnerable anywhere… I would imagine Russia is manufacturing a lot of electrical grid gear for rebuilding Ukraine someday… not sure how the Iranian grid compares … is it similar?

Posted by: E | Apr 21 2025 0:54 utc | 80

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 21 2025 0:47 utc | 73
Well put, for those who have not experienced it; I say a bad peace is better than a good war.

Posted by: anonymous | Apr 21 2025 0:56 utc | 81

Until Trump nukes someone, he will continue to be tested, and if he nukes someone, America will probably be put down like the feral animal that it is by Russia and China.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 21 2025 0:50 utc | 75
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If the USA nukes Iran, most of the ROW will shrug its collective shoulders and keep dealing with the USA as before. Maybe even more deferentially.
Don‘t think that countries will be constrained by moral/ethical considerations. They so rarely are.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 21 2025 0:56 utc | 82

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 21 2025 0:52 utc | 78
My friend, if they wanted a bomb they would have build one years ago. This alone should hint at the dynamics. Russia is now a strategic partner, they don’t need enrichment. They should use it to swindle their foes into thinking they are getting something important in trade. The americans are all about superficial appearances. The americans will go home after. They get a big win, and Iran gets sanctions reversed etc. Why not?

Posted by: anonymous | Apr 21 2025 1:04 utc | 83

@ anonymous | Apr 21 2025 1:04 utc | 83
The last time the USA reversed a sanction, the USA quickly reneged. Remember?

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 21 2025 1:14 utc | 84

LoveD: “So you’re ok with genocide then?”
Ah, the last refuge. This, funnily given your moniker, is exactly what the unethical western leaders say re Ukraine: if you are not willing to support the Ukrainians no matter what even to the last Ukrainian, then you care nothing for their national security. After all, the village must be burned to save it, right?
I’m not ok with genocide. But I put the blame on it where it belongs: on the guilty parties conducting it and aiding and abetting it. If Iran had effective means for stopping what’s going on in Gaza, it would be incumbent upon them to attempt to do so. Sadly, they do not have such means. In this circumstance, sacrificing one’s population pointlessly is bad governance.
Lastly, Israel has defined itself by its enemies. If it were not for its narrative of victimhood and persecution, it could not survive. The last thing Israel wants to see is peace, even in victory.

Posted by: Caliman | Apr 21 2025 1:18 utc | 85

I shall repeat another barflies’ post here, excerpted, for its general interest on an important topic:
— The Chinese concept of “Mandate of Heaven” has existed since Shang and Zhou, and it is very different from the European concept of “Divine Right of Kings”. In China, if the ruler’s subjects lead happy and prosperous lives, the rulers are deemed to have the Mandate of Heaven. If the Chinese government fails to handle crises, even natural disasters like floods, then they are deemed to have lost the Mandate of Heaven, and more capable or competent people are free to overthrow the government. The European idea of the Divine Right of Kings, however, says that the monarch does not have to care about what the people want. The European monarch’s right to rule over people is given by God, and the people have no right to challenge the monarch’s authority.
This difference is reflected in how the Chinese and the Europeans approach religion. In China, the government and religion should serve the people. Governments that don’t – they get overthrown. Gods that fail to consistently grant wishes (good harvest, more children) get abandoned.
All Under Heaven | Apr 20 2025 1:44 utc —
Thanks for the posting, AUH.

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 21 2025 1:22 utc | 86

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 21 2025 1:14 utc | 84
Sure, of course. Everyone knows what will happen. But, Russia can easily return everything when the US breaks the deal, and at worst Iran is in the same place they are now.

Posted by: anonymous | Apr 21 2025 1:24 utc | 87

Lastly, Israel has defined itself by its enemies. If it were not for its narrative of victimhood and persecution, it could not survive. The last thing Israel wants to see is peace, even in victory.
Posted by: Caliman | Apr 21 2025 1:18 utc | 85
You have a deep understanding of the problem.

Posted by: anonymous | Apr 21 2025 1:29 utc | 88

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 21 2025 0:56 utc | 82
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You may be correct but America deploying nukes against a BRICS+ member cannot go unanswered.
“Who is next?” will be on everyone’s minds.
Russia and China looking away will be the death of them, and they know it.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 21 2025 1:33 utc | 89

“Iran is a nation of engineers, not illiterate tribal natives.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 21 2025 0:25 utc | 68
A whole nation of engineers now, is it? You exaggerate too much, that is problematic.

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 21 2025 1:39 utc | 90

@ LoveDonbass | Apr 21 2025 1:33 utc | 89
Well, exactly, which is why non-nuclear states in Uncle $ham’s crosshairs need nukes. Until and unless some even more horrific weapon comes around.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 21 2025 1:39 utc | 91

After all, the village must be burned to save it, right?
Posted by: Caliman | Apr 21 2025 1:18 utc | 85
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It’s the Qadr of Allah, which is a concept Muslims understand.
If the village is to be burned or not, it is in the hands of the Creator.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 21 2025 1:41 utc | 92

“Iran is a nation of engineers, not illiterate tribal natives.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | 68
A whole nation of engineers now, is it? You exaggerate too much, that is problematic. – Spectator

+1

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 21 2025 1:44 utc | 93

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 21 2025 1:39 utc | 90
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I believe I posted it recently. Iran has a high percentage of engineers, half IIRC, are female.
It is nation of engineers and produces a lot of cutting edge science.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Iran

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 21 2025 1:49 utc | 94

Regardless, it was brain-dead American hubris to compare the Persians to the Iroquois and Mi’kmaq.
I guess to Americans, everyone looks like primitive prey. 😂😂😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 21 2025 1:53 utc | 95

I sense the trolls are back with a new strategy. After trying to appear clever didn’t help much here, they are now trying to stupid the place.
It’s not that hard to see, is it?
argh.
I did my part today, good night y’all!

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 21 2025 2:04 utc | 96

In response to

Btw, I have never thought the IR was close to falling over these forty years. Part of the reason why is their prudence in knowing when to hold ‘‘em and when to fold. And the “resistance’s” sell by date has arrived and it’s folding time …
Posted by: Caliman | Apr 21 2025 0:47 utc | 73

I am the optimist who thinks it is not folding time but collaboration time, which I think is what is happening. Yes, Iran has its future on the line but so does Russia, China, etc….and those three are in tight communication currently.
When has humanity seen such a manifestation of global conflict like we are observing? As you know I keep equating the conflict to that of public/private finance and the forms of social organization each instantiates. Iran is not the only country fighting private finance hegemony. How the conflict plays out is above my pay grade but Iran is in the same boat as all others of the “resistance”.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 21 2025 2:10 utc | 97

Pale face speaking with forked tongue..
Couldnt help it, they keep outdoing themselves !

Its completely insane that the Chinese need this huge military to defend against foreign aggression, it could only be for
expansion !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJYa2GgwyEI
[2.11]

Posted by: denk | Apr 21 2025 2:11 utc | 98

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 21 2025 2:04 utc | 96
You tend to keep the political discussions here more level-headed and common sense. Or try to. Kind of an even keel on a battered boat floundering in uncertain waters. I don’t have much to contribute when you talk about philosophy or religion or psychology. Have a good night.

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 21 2025 2:12 utc | 99

Gold is ripping again. However, caution is warranted in the near term for a pullback.
During the 1970s, gold went from $35 to $200 between 1970-74 amid interest cuts and inflation/stagflation. In 1975, the rates were hiked again tanking gold to $100, however, the rates started cutting, pushing gold from $100 to $800 in the following 6 years. I think we are following this path, albeit not in the same magnitude, and in a bit shorter absolute timeframe ( $7000 over next 2-3 years instead of 6 years).
There are also reason to suggest one may be considering agricultural products and stocks may outperform gold for a year or two.
https://x.com/BraVoCycles/status/1913976857420066893
Gold miners are just printing money, reportedly refusing order deliveries and instead burying their products in the ground.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 21 2025 2:37 utc | 100