Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
April 21, 2025
Phase 1: Impose Tariffs – Phase 2: ? – Phase 3: Profit

The underpants gnomes (vid) had a great plan:

1. Steal underpants, 2. …, 3. Profit


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The Trump administration seems to think likewise:

1. Impose tariffs, 2. …, 3. Profit

There was already some struggle while implementing phase 1.

Phase 2 seems to create even more serious problems:

Charles Gasparino @CGasparino – 16:42 UTC · Apr 21, 2025

BREAKING: Japanese negotiators are complaining that the problem with the trade negotiations with the White House, what's delaying concrete progress and a real deal, is that US keeps changing its ask in terms of exactly what it wants, said one financial CEO who speaks regularly to country officials. Maybe it's a negotiating tactic. But the lack of publicly announced deal progress is depressing the dollar, spiking bond yields and leading to a flight to quality to gold and now Bitcoin. Developing

Gregg Carlstrom @glcarlstrom – 17:38 UTC · Apr 21, 2025

Not just Japan. Every diplomat I've asked about tariffs in the Middle East has told a similar story: they don't know how to engage with the Trump administration because everyone makes different demands

Also, we are really in trouble if Bitcoin is now a "flight to quality"

Every single person who works for the White House on trade seems to have a different idea of how to (ab)use the tariffs. There seems to be no big common plan to which they are all aligned to. This won't work.

Markets need rules and assurances that the rules will be adhered to. Any factor that increase insecurity will require additional security margins within each deal. When all this gets too expensive, unpredictable and complicate people will simply bail out. Money is leaving the U.S. dollar denominated markets. This creates the unusual case where share prices, treasuries and the dollar conjointly decline.

But "trust us" some pro tariff folks might say. "Phase 3 will soon come and its gonna be huge." 

May be. I for one am not yet convinced.

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Many posters are skirting the main issue but not really articulating or seeing the Big Picture here.
Trump and his cronies are the Bouncing Betty that will upend the western financial world in it’s entirety. His ((handlers)) are not interested in free or balanced trade and tariffs, are a smokescreen to create serious chaos to supply chains and trade partners that add another layer of obfuscation to crash the dollar, western markets and sovereign bonds that truly usher in the collapse of middle class households and small to medium businesses. They will take ALL the western wealth for themselves and then move their Base to the Eastern World.
You can protect your family easily in this upside-down world, many financial writers including Poszar and Rickards are calling for a deflationary bomb soon but elevated prices for those essentials families need. Forget about puts and shorts options lofl, commodities and natural resources will be critical for those emerging Eastern countries and the Global South. Gold and silver miners, copper and of course the critical rare earths that mostly China and Russia seem to be able to refine in scale.
Stock up on essentials NOW. Get your medications and foodstuffs. Don’t forget cooking and heating supplies and the means to protect all that. Stealthy buy your gold and silver and hide it near your home. Geopolitics is so exhausting mentally cuz the stress of following it all can put you thru the ringer. Find a quiet rural town and downsize bigtime.
Then you can chillax and enjoy your time on this earth.

Posted by: bisfugged | Apr 22 2025 17:31 utc | 201

“Iran blocks the Strait of Hormuz, that money will not be spent.
Btw, TSMC continues to post massive losses year-over-year on its US operation in Arizona.
Losing money is only sustainable if the dollar is strong. The dollar, IIRC, is at its weakest in several years, and there are no signs of that trend arresting.”
Energy transit is the equivalent to blood carrying oxygen to the world economy.
While Hormuz is particularly vital because the percentage of the worlds energy that passes there and the narrow pass inherently suitable for ambush the worlds energy transit as a whole is fragile. It is not designed as a military asset and it wouldnt be viable to do so anyway. once hormuz is used as a point to end energy transit the message is ending energy transit. Whoever regards anything as unfair and has the capability ends energy transit also. when hormuz transit stops there are going to be a lot of people with capability thinking things are unfair.
Ukraine could have ended energy leaving Russias terminals on the black sea a long time ago. Its off limits even for the Kiev nationalists. the houthis are doing it in a limited way that has a work around. Thats a Iran communication and yes it is heard. Its the thing that can not be looked at. It is pretended that the content of the communication and the communication itself doesnt exist. that of course is a threat and of course threats are always reacted to with force. So all parties pretend the communication does not exist. It a communication that everyone knows and understands but they pretend it doesnt exist.
Persians are not stupid. They have known for a long time nuclear weapons would be a waste of time for them. Just like nuclear weapons there are no winners when energy transit ends. MAD.

Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 22 2025 17:34 utc | 202

@I forgot | Apr 22 2025 16:54 utc | 192

>> Do any US Americans not descending from Norwegians have any idea, inclination or insight ow why they left?
Did they find it inhabited and then decide they lacked the capability to invade and occupy?
Or another reason? Please do tell.

Huh? They obviously left Norway, which at the time (1860+) was poor and overpopulated given the limited available farmland. They left for multiple reasons including poverty, class divisions, rumors of cheap land for agriculture and more.
This was long before hydroelectric power and offshore oil & gas which caused a big change much later.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 22 2025 17:34 utc | 203

They will take ALL the western wealth for themselves
Posted by: bisfugged | Apr 22 2025 17:31 utc | 201

How much of this “Western Wealth” is there when UST Bonds are ~$30 Billions underwater?
There is literally no counterparty to collect on.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 22 2025 17:37 utc | 204

Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 22 2025 17:13 utc | 197
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That is Sasha Krainer’s perspective as well.
I have thought about it.
It doesn’t take a lot of research to understand that China has no interest in becoming a hegemon Western style.
Confucianism won’t allow for it.
It seems to me that Europeans and people of European descent cannot fathom that there are people in the world who will not compromise their values for money or power.
That tendency to sell out and bend is exactly why that woke stuff got as deep as it did in Western societies. As the old expression goes, “stand for nothing, fall for anything”
Think about it.
What is the one core iron value of Americans?
What hill will two million of them be willing to die upon?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 17:38 utc | 205

~$30 Billions

LOL! ~$30 Trillions

Posted by: too scents | Apr 22 2025 17:38 utc | 206

🇺🇸🇨🇳 United States says it’s doing “very well” on closing a potential trade deal with China.

Lies, endless lies.
There is a very good chance that Xi does not speak to Trump again this year.
Americans don’t understand how important “face” is in Asian cultures.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 17:45 utc | 207

NemesisCalling | Apr 22 2025 0:46 utc | 106–
Thanks for your reply. I see modification of past meritocratic systems being the path forward–a collective-meritocratic hybrid system that values citizen input and participation.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 22 2025 17:49 utc | 208

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 22 2025 17:34 utc | 203
There were also those who emigrated from Europe to the USA and Canada, and returned to Europe. Then, just as now, the US looked better in the ads than in real life.

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 22 2025 17:52 utc | 209

Posted by b on April 21, 2025 at 18:30 UTC
Charles Gasparino @CGasparino
re: “US keeps changing its ask…Maybe its “s a negotiating tactic?”
Indeed! The matter is a disrespect or ignorance of “diplomacy”. Diplomatic protocols between governments have been developed over centuries of trial and error to enable good communication be workable between persons who desire mutually agreed-upon results that are beneficial to their interests…specifically to avoid deathr or other rabid outcomes.
Seems that US’ alleeged diplomats lack knowledge of how and why the protocols must be followed to enable long- established, diplomatic manners that promote mutual understanding, as opposed to more solid forms of communication such as bullets and bombs.
All cultures have their manners. Diplomatic manners are universal manners agreed-upon by diplomats from different cultures. The agreed protocols were stablished by our ancestors so we could exist.

Posted by: Chu-Teh | Apr 22 2025 17:55 utc | 210

too scents | Apr 22 2025 17:38 utc | 206
They will squeeze all the wealth from middle class households and individuals, small and medium businesses and market investors. Already 2 trillion dollars have been syphoned out of the markets to date and there are trillions more to steal.

Posted by: bisfugged | Apr 22 2025 17:55 utc | 211

LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 17:38 utc | 205
what about seeing your wife and young children being tossed out of their shelter, cold and hungry and threatened with danger.
Would that do it??? Time will tell b/c it’s going to happen to millions…

Posted by: bisfugged | Apr 22 2025 17:59 utc | 212

More tariffs.
“Washington has set tariffs of up to 3,521% on solar imports from Southeast Asia, according to information published by the US Department of Commerce on Monday. The hikes follow allegations that Chinese-owned manufacturers operating in the region had violated trade rules.
The tariffs target imports from Malaysia, Cambodia, Thailand, and Vietnam, countries that collectively supplied over $12.9 billion in solar equipment to the US last year, according to Bloomberg.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 22 2025 17:59 utc | 213

It doesn’t take a lot of research to understand that China has no interest in becoming a hegemon Western style.”
So that fox made eternal in history saying she would rather cry in a BMW than smile on a bicycle did not reflect Chinese culture?
Not
I find the most remarkable of Chinas many achievements to be the practice of acupuncture. A incredibly effective medical practice that requires the most minimum of facilities and really not a extreme level of skill. Yes it hurts more when skill is lessor but if the needles get inserted in the right areas it works.
The fact is China got suckered too. When inevitable resource depletion manifests they would be much much better of a a low tech agronomist nation. China got selected to run with the Technology torch because they were best qualified by all parameters. They have succeeded beyond all expectations. The elite could care less that China makes products for the world. The elite worship technology as a god. That requires a focal point of technology and boy is China that now. That manufacturing products for the world is required is a bug not a feature.
China seemed to develop a few problems with technology worship during the circumstance regarding covid. We will see where the power lies in the next couple hundred years as resource depletion becomes the predominant truth observed if our species does not extinct itself with war.

Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 22 2025 18:02 utc | 214

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 22 2025 17:49 utc | 208
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I think the lesson that can be derived from China and Russia (and several other Global South countries) is that social values are essential.
It’s not about having a more sophisticated or scientific system. At the end of the day, laws and Constitutions are just aspirations written on paper. Not magic paper, just the good old kind that can be burned or used to wipe a butt.
Without a culture that reinforces good governance, bad men will always prevail.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 18:03 utc | 215

The Neo-Nazi dictatorship in Ukraine is still buying Russian gas.
“Kiev is buying Russian gas that is being supplied to Western Europe via the TurkStream pipeline, according to Aleksey Kucherenko, the first deputy head of the Ukrainian parliament’s energy committee.
At the start of the year, Vladimir Zelensky refused to prolong the transit deal with Russian energy giant Gazprom. Weeks later, in late January, Kiev’s state-run energy company Naftogaz began purchasing gas from the EU countries at higher prices.
During his appearance on the United News Telemarathon 24/7 information program on Monday, Kucherenko said that Kiev understands that at least some of the gas that it is now getting originates in Russia.
Western Europe has a single gas market where the substitution principle is in effect, and because of this, “we do not know what exact gas we are de facto buying,” he explained.
“We are most definitely purchasing Russian gas that comes through the TurkStream and goes, for example, to Serbia, to Hungary. We cannot determine the origin of the molecules,” the legislator stressed.
According to Kucherenko, Ukraine will need to store up between 4.5 and 6 billion cubic meters of gas ahead of the cold season this year.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 22 2025 18:05 utc | 216

Already 2 trillion dollars have been syphoned out of the markets to date and there are trillions more to steal.
Posted by: bisfugged | Apr 22 2025 17:55 utc | 211

Sure. The “market” is highly concentrated in the top 10 percentile of wealth distribution.
That is why we see reports like this:

Billionaires lose record $536 billion after tariffs
The world’s 500 richest people suffered the biggest two-day loss as fallout from President Donald Trump’s tariff announcement decimated global markets. Billionaires on the wealth list lost a collective $536 billion from Thursday’s stock market open to Friday’s close as the S&P 500 Index dropped 10.5% over the two days and the Nasdaq Composite fell 11.4%. Mark Zuckerberg led the way, losing $17.9 billion, and Jeff Bezos wasn’t far behind, with his net worth declining by $15.9 billion.
and so on ==> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/billionaires-lose-record-536-billion-after-tariffs/ar-AA1Dcakh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_capital

Posted by: too scents | Apr 22 2025 18:07 utc | 217

Since we are posting Blogs we find to be truthful I would like to recommend Gail Tyvbergs ourfiniteworld.com. I consider Gail to be a unrecognized genius committed to truth regardless of the social norms it contradicts. She has studied the role energy and resources play in human societies for many decades. She is aggressively socio-politically neutral finding those debates distracting from the truth. Many of the topics I present here are not my own ideas but spawned from Gails work although I am sure she might not agree.

Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 22 2025 18:12 utc | 218

Posted by: Stine | Apr 22 2025 16:58 utc | 193
If they can’t get the raw materials they need, all promises will be empty.
https://www.cio.com/article/3806430/delays-in-tsmcs-arizona-plant-spark-supply-chain-worries.html

Posted by: Mary | Apr 22 2025 18:12 utc | 219

Posted by: bisfugged | Apr 22 2025 17:59 utc | 212
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Humans are emotional herd animals and as we saw in Israel, Ukraine, and Nazi Germany, they can be trained to hate and be vicious.
The thing about suffering is that not everyone learns from it.
Some use it to nurse and cultivate resentments, and the political class will harness that hatred to gain and maintain power.
It’s cynical but has a substantial track record in Western culture.
How much suffering can convince Zionists that mass murder is wrong?
All of my life, I believed that failure would teach people to be different. Sadly, my experience is that many will ignore the pain or blame someone else rather than make a change themselves.
I don’t think suffering is an effective or reliable tool for personal/social change.
I am all about fundamentals.
What is an American? Not by paperwork but spiritually and intellectually?
Are Americans famous for personal growth? Are Americans famous for resilience of say being bombed and starved for 2 straight years?
Are they famous for treating their fellow citizens with different political ideals decently?
Before one can hope Americans can change, we must first define what an American is and what they represent.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 18:17 utc | 220

“Posted by: Stine | Apr 22 2025 16:58 utc | 193
If they can’t get the raw materials they need, all promises will be empty.
https://www.cio.com/article/3806430/delays-in-tsmcs-arizona-plant-spark-supply-chain-worries.html
Posted by: Mary | Apr 22 2025 18:12 utc | 219″
Bingo
Lets engage in the most technological challenging manufacturing process in human history while simultaneously denying ourselves as well as our allowed suppliers access to the unbelievably varied amount of raw materials and technological facilitation required.
Not

Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 22 2025 18:18 utc | 221

LosBanos 214
“The elite worship technology as a god”… then why have they been so butt-hurt about satoshi?!
Over the next few years, as you say, the “predominant (financial) truth observed” is likely to be the ledger that cannot be manipulated… not sure about the resource depletion thesis (though environmental damage I can see) what with the Malthusian culling, demographic cliff and death of several massive housing ponzis !!

Posted by: E | Apr 22 2025 18:19 utc | 222

“we must first define what an American is and what they represent.”
Good luck with that

Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 22 2025 18:21 utc | 223

I thank God my well pump died late yesterday.
Mr. Plumber is here today replacing it. Another 3 months…who knows?

Posted by: Mary | Apr 22 2025 18:23 utc | 224

Trump says 34 nations have asked for trade agreements, and 18 deals are already being negotiated.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 22 2025 18:27 utc | 225

Mr. Plumber is here today replacing it. Another 3 months…who knows?
Posted by: Mary | Apr 22 2025 18:23 utc | 224
Well pumps just became worth their weight in gold. Buy two if you can swing it. I recommend the Grundfos SQ series. Yes they were better when they were made in Denmark not Mexico. The made in the USA Franklin lasted me 40 years but its not the efficiency of the grundfos.

Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 22 2025 18:29 utc | 226

“We are most definitely purchasing Russian gas that comes through the TurkStream and goes, for example, to Serbia, to Hungary. We cannot determine the origin of the molecules,” the legislator stressed.
According to Kucherenko, Ukraine will need to store up between 4.5 and 6 billion cubic meters of gas ahead of the cold season this year.”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 22 2025 18:05 utc | 216

That’s strange, I thought Freedom Molecules (TM) have a clearly distinct molecular structure.
Anyway, LNG and gas is a global market. You suck it from one place, it comes from somewhere else to fill the void.
So even if EU is sucking it from Eurasia, the void in Eurasia is filled by gas from Russia.
Or if EU is sucking it from Turkey, the void in Turkey is filled by gas from Russia.
Or if EU is sucking LNG from US, US continues buying LNG (partially from Russia).
Or if EU is buying it from Qatar, Qatar delivers less to Eurasia and Russia delivers more.
So goes the magical loop.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 22 2025 18:32 utc | 227

Solar panels have been too cumbersome and inexpensive to be worth stealing. That just changed.

Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 22 2025 18:34 utc | 228

LosBanos
Thanks for the link to ourfiniteworld.com… haven’t seen that one before!
Here is a quote from her in 2021 on hydropower:
“. The electricity can only be used for very optional activities, such as [satoshi] mining, or charging up small batteries for lights and phones.”
Ahead of the curve in understanding that satoshi miners seek out wasted/stranded energy and are the only power load that can be instantly cycled on/off at large scale to load balance an energy grid…. Kudos!!

Posted by: E | Apr 22 2025 18:37 utc | 229

227 unimperator
Yep, fungibility, reduced counterparty risk … now do currencies, assets!
hence, b’s original article, physical gold … and digital satoshis (still fungible after 16 years, counterparty risk is limited to the entire internet going down forever or encryption-cracking/hacking/persecution/torture … and the mark and worship of the beast to buy/sell , if you believe the book of Revelation, but then gold will “fail” too!!)

Posted by: E | Apr 22 2025 18:46 utc | 230

@LosBanos | Apr 22 2025 18:12 utc | 218
Thanks for that link to http://www.ourfiniteworld.com
Nail on head in first 30s scan: Debt

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 22 2025 18:55 utc | 231

Regarding tariffs, based on how things are going so far, the tariffs will be watered here, there, one by one, and pretty soon they will be watered in more here and there, and nearly everywhere.
What seems to be similar with COVID era supply and movement restrictions is small and medium sized enterprises will get hit the most, while bigger monopoly/duopolies will get a free pass.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 22 2025 18:59 utc | 232

LoveDonbass wrote: “Promises are not payments. …Btw, TSMC continues to post massive losses year-over-year on its US operation in Arizona.”
1. Many people fear that someday China may insist on reunifying Taiwan with the mainland, and that if Taiwan balks, China might decide to destroy all of Taiwan’s seaports and airports, thus instantly ending Taiwan’s exports. To hedge against that semi-realistic possibility, wouldn’t it make sense for TSMC to have substantial operations in the USA now, even if TSMC is currently posting losses on its US operations in Arizona?
2. Getting back now to tariffs and Taiwan (and assuming no attack on Taiwan by China), a majority of the I-phones for the US market are currently manufactured (for Apple) in mainland China by a Taiwanese company, Foxconn. For the moment, Apple has been granted exemption from the new tariffs for these I-phones, but few expect that such exemption will be permanent. Consider now that Foxconn has a huge industrial plant near Racine, Wisconsin, which unfortunately has to date never been used to anything near to its full capacity. But if big tariffs may likely apply in the future to I-phones manufactured by Foxconn in mainland China, then that currently-idled plant may conceivably prove to be golden in the future.
The point is that US tariffs, even if temporarily applied quite unpredictably (to the chagrin of economists), may nevertheless have the desired effect: inducing more and more companies to plan to do big-time manufacturing in the USA.
And contra the opinion of virtually everyone else on this list, Trump’s motivation here is not to make multi-billionaires even richer. Not. For heaven’s sake, offshoring US companies to China has been one sure way to untold riches in the past, but that works for the multi-billionaires if and only if the offshored production can then be shipped back to the USA with little or no tariffs. No, Trump’s two-fold motivation in trying to re-shore manufacturing in the USA by threatening huge tariffs is as follows: (i) bring back high-paying manufacturing jobs for his political base — blue-collar workers [“Make America Great Again”]; and (ii) stop relying on China for national security items (such as pharmaceuticals, parts for US weapons systems, etc.).

Posted by: Stine | Apr 22 2025 19:03 utc | 233

233 stine
Regardless of The Goals, eviscerating the last shreds of trust ‘Murica (or should I say western financial system?) has with the world will achieve Something
PS “where are 2022 Russian central bank reserves now?!”
-Putin et al paraphrased

Posted by: E | Apr 22 2025 19:15 utc | 234

Buy two if you can swing it.
Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 22 2025 18:29 utc | 226
Lol, I don’t expect to be here in 20 years.
Otoh, I could buy a spare now & re-sell down the road in a bidding war when its worth a bazillion more worthless $$. 🤷

Posted by: Mary | Apr 22 2025 19:15 utc | 235

Trump says 34 nations have asked for trade agreements, and 18 deals are already being negotiated.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 22 2025 18:27 utc | 225
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https://x.com/stealthqe4/status/1914681736815923683/photo/1
Interesting read:
Essentially China is threatening countries that if they do a deal with the USA they will retaliate with tariffs of their own.
This puts countries like Japan in a tough spot because they need both countries.
These negotiations are going to be a long process

Posted by: Mary | Apr 22 2025 19:24 utc | 236

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 14:09 utc | 170
America will not industrialize until private equity is leashed.
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Exactly

Posted by: António Ferrão | Apr 22 2025 19:25 utc | 237

@Stine #233
Horrible situation for them. TSMC’s technology is in the process of being stolen. In the case of an amicable arrangement between Taipei and Beijing, probably their capital equipment will also be seized and virtually gifted to some zombie company like Intel for pennies on the dollar.
At least Taipei made it illegal for TSMC to transfer their latest technology.

Posted by: BillB | Apr 22 2025 19:29 utc | 238

@Mary | Apr 22 2025 19:24 utc | 236

Essentially China is threatening countries that if they do a deal with the USA they will retaliate with tariffs of their own.

That is NOT what China said. What China said is that China will take corresponding countermeasures to countries that make any trade deal with amerikkka at China’s expense or hurting China’s interests. That is different from the description above.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Apr 22 2025 19:50 utc | 239

Posted by: LuRenJia | Apr 22 2025 19:50 utc | 239
Thank you for the correction. The article referenced in the xtweet was mostly behind a paywall. I didn’t see anything in the part I could read either support or contradict the xtweeter’s claim.
Otoh, the article did suggest it was going to be a lengthy process & that Japan was reluctant to make a deal. They depend on both US & China.

Posted by: Mary | Apr 22 2025 20:03 utc | 240

No, Trump’s two-fold motivation in trying to re-shore manufacturing in the USA by threatening huge tariffs is as follows: (i) bring back high-paying manufacturing jobs for his political base — blue-collar workers [“Make America Great Again”]; and (ii) stop relying on China for national security items (such as pharmaceuticals, parts for US weapons systems, etc.).
Posted by: Stine | Apr 22 2025 19:03 utc | 233
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Those are Trump’s “stated motivations,” just like the promises of investment.
The thing is, talk is cheap. Every political season, people make all manner of promises, many of which cannot be achieved under the Constitution.
I know a few things about automotive and high-tech manufacturing. It is easy to bake cookies. It is 1 million times harder to establish assembly lines.
And more, it would take a LONG time even if Trump was actually trying to do so, of which we have seen zero evidence to date.
I get that you want it to be true. I’m not an American, but if I was, I might share similar aspirations.
That said, no one is served well by bullcrap. What politicians are saying is rarely what they do, and Trump fits that to a tee.
I can promise you a pony and box seats for the Super Bowl, but if I am broke, you will receive neither.
See the earlier comment about how TSMC is being cut off from necessary supply chains. Finished goods, particularly high-tech goods, cannot be made without the necessary inputs.
China has cornered the supply chains on all of the critical inputs necessary to make technological goods.
If America wants them, it will be war.
Hope that they are easier to fight than Ansar Allah.
What a twisted world where pharma is considered national security. 😂😂😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 20:07 utc | 241

What a twisted world where pharma is considered national security. 😂😂😂
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 20:07 utc | 241

Polio remembers that you can’t laugh in an iron lung.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 22 2025 20:20 utc | 242

Posted by: too scents | Apr 22 2025 20:20 utc | 242
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A lot of “value” in those patents.
The stock market’s recent beatings have come at the expense primarily of the tech industries.
If there were a problem with pharma patents, the remainder of the stock markets might collapse.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 20:32 utc | 243

50 year Anniversary of the Liberation of Saigon is coming up next week.
German Band Celebrating the Liberation with a Song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMjLWougafM

Mit dem Stein und mit der Schleuder
Mit dem Stein und mit der Schleuder
Schlug einst David Goliath
Schlug einst David Goliath
Heute schlägt er mit Raketen
Heute schlägt er mit Raketen
Weil er Klassenbrüder hat
Alle auf d
https://lyricstranslate.com/de/oktoberklub-saigon-ist-frei-lyrics.html

Posted by: exile | Apr 22 2025 20:44 utc | 244

“Trump tariffs decimated a small business”.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Vk9tAM3dnDI (length: < 1 minute) This small business ordered for $ 3,300 worth of aluminum parts from China. The import tariffs were about $ 2,230 and this was before the tariff of 104% on imported goods. Scott Bessant: "Access to good goods is not the essence of the American Dream". In other words: We (Bessant) don't want to have cheap goods for the american people. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7baxHOGNSNQ (length: 01:20).

Posted by: WMG | Apr 22 2025 20:47 utc | 245

Kellogg’s Cornflake plan for Ukraine totally rejected by Russia
China turns trade war into huge win
Trump’s tariffs isolating/walling off the US
Trump is a loser himself. He needs to collect diapers, not underpants.

Posted by: George | Apr 22 2025 20:51 utc | 246

I note that in finance, everybody has an opinion and for some reason (at least on the internet) they tend to attempt to be witty, but dont offer much in the way of constructive discussion or insite.
Everybody seems to have an agenda – defending their own position and attacking that of others.
I would say that the logic of tariffs it pretty self-evident though in finance it is rarely so simple.
So perhaps it will not work and I am surprised at the approach – clearly Trump was trying to be very dramatic.
Myself, I just watch and try to make so sense of what I am seeing (not having much luck with that so far).
One point I have noted is that many talk and act as if there has been some kind of market collapse – that is not at all the case, so far.
The other point I would make is that I suspect that Trumps thinking (such as it is) is that he does not need to finesse nor micromanage it. He will break it into pieces and let the market put itself back together – he may not want the status quo to be able to repair itself.
Whatever one might think of Trump, I think that he has the benefit of input from capable people and I suspect that in fact he respects the views of those that he has chosen as his team and with input from others. That does not mean that they could not be wrong, but if they are they will be among the first to know it.
But there is they tendency to want to give credence to the guidance of random and unqualified people – I dont know why it kind of adds the the mystique I think.

Posted by: jared | Apr 22 2025 20:53 utc | 247

One point I have noted is that many talk and act as if there has been some kind of market collapse – that is not at all the case, so far.
Posted by: jared | Apr 22 2025 20:53 utc | 247
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How many retirements have been wiped out in the stock market since “Independence Day”?
I don’t gamble in the markets, but I believe around $8 trillion in wealth has been wiped out since Trump announced emancipation from the global trading system. Sure, a lot of it was paper wealth, but it matters because it is about capital flows and investments, which reflect decisions today about tomorrow.
The thing about these kinds of economic circumstances is not instant. They take time. The losses in the stock market aren’t going to lead to empty store shelves the next day, but they will be felt over the next 3 to 6 months.
The issue is that because they are slow developing, they take as long, if not much longer, to reverse. The effect and the response are asymmetric. Like how a single accident can back up a highway for miles, and even once the accident is removed, it may take a few more hours to clear traffic.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 21:13 utc | 248

No matter how many come here and attempt to rationalize and explain away the Trump trade war actions and paint Trump or his advisors as competent none of them can point to actual steps Trump is taking to rebuild American communities/culture at home via a reduction of the deeply entrenched corruption on the domestic front , especially in the health care sector or educational sector.
If he was serious about MAGA that is where the fight would begin and it would takd many years and energy to clean up those sectors if it’s even possible.
Instead we have endless distractions about Signal chats, CECOT/Venezuelan gangs/Ukraine,etc none of which impact the two corrupt sectors above.

Posted by: silverfoxes | Apr 22 2025 21:29 utc | 249

William | Apr 22 2025 9:12 utc | 152
…Curious if a non-Chinese speaker ex-pat can live and survive in China, say relying on translation apps
Watched a pair of (young/ in their 20s) yt content bloggers who recently went to China with no clue and no plan (or so they say… seemed legit as they did come across as stupendously stupid….) anyway. They had no Chinese language and traveled around using apps … within days they seemed to have mastered buying food, ordering ubers, travelling city to city.
YouTuber has blogs from everyone everywhere doing everything.
Once you watch two or three the algorithm feeds you more and more……
There’s probably someone on yt right now blogging their life as an ex-Pat retiree in China…
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Norwegian. That Thailand Laos China expedition sounds interesting.
I reckon you should do it, and report back here.
I’ve decided I’m never leaving Australia from now, having traveled OS a reasonable amount in my 20-40s.
I’d be interested in travelling vicariously via your journeys!

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 22 2025 21:38 utc | 250

@Mary | Apr 22 2025 20:03 utc | 240
Not a problem. The official remarks from the spokesperson of China’s Ministry of Commerce on this dated on 2025-04-21 can be found here (in Chinese). There is no English version for this. Maybe you can use some translation tool to get the English version of it.
As China stands up to the amerikkka mafia behavior, most countries now seem to take a wait-and-see approach for the evolvement between China and amerikkka. Some commentators said that EU now kind of hides behind China; Japan hides behind EU; and S. Korea hides behind Japan. The hide-behind means to wait for the outcome between China and amerikkka as their own negotiation bargaining with amerikkka. So China’s standup messes amerikkkan’s original planning. The only idiot in this fiasco so far is Taiwan’s Lai, which is really an axx kisser to his master. Lai once said publicly in Taiwan that Taiwanese should NOT doubt amerikkka at all because amerikkka is so nice to Taiwan. By the way, Lai’s older son lives in amerikkka with his family. So Lai literally is an amerikkkan’s grandpa while he pursues Taiwan’s independence that will result in a disaster for Taiwan. When Korean War erupted, Mao’s son joined China’s People Volunteers Army and died in Korea.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Apr 22 2025 21:39 utc | 251

LoveDonbass wrote: “I know a few things about automotive and high-tech manufacturing. It is easy to bake cookies. It is 1 million times harder to establish assembly lines. …What a twisted world where pharma is considered national security.”
Penicillin is a perfect example of what I am talking about. If the USA got into a war with China, either a kinetic war (perish the thought) or (more likely) a deadly serious trade war, the USA could not tolerate the fact that currently the vast majority of penicillin used in the USA comes from China. So it’s a national security issue.
Although penicillin was discovered / invented in Great Britain, it was first manufactured at scale in the USA, in the early years of WWII. “By the end of the war, American pharmaceutical companies were producing 650 billion units a month.” America could obviously manufacture penicillin again (and indeed this is currently done for about 10% of the penicillin consumed in America).
We must distinguish between (i) the ability to manufacture items at scale in America, vs. (ii) the ability, depending in part on what tariffs apply, to make a profit (rather than suffer large losses) in manufacturing items at scale in America.
As Trump has specifically said (though he was talking about pharmaceuticals generally, not just penicillin), the higher the tariffs he imposes on imported penicillin, the more quickly and surely the manufacture of penicillin will return to the USA. If it’s a national security issue, the higher prices are worth it.

Posted by: Stine | Apr 22 2025 21:49 utc | 252

No, we’re not tired of winning yet.
Posted by: Stine | Apr 22 2025 16:58 utc | 193
And all of these companies are going to have to pay their workers American pay rates and many will still have to import materials and components from China.
Go figure.

Posted by: George | Apr 22 2025 21:58 utc | 253

Annnnnd just like that!
BREAKING: President Trump announces that the United States will substantially lower tariffs on China
‘Tariffs on China will not be 145%, but they also won’t be zero. We’re working with China, and we’re very happy with them’ – Trump.

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 22 2025 22:01 utc | 254

I see Mexico has revived the rail corridor connecting Coazacoalcos to Salina Cruz as an alternative to the Panama Canal.
While it may take longer to transit, the shipping cost can save up to 2 weeks wait time for the Panama route.
US and foreign manufacturers are moving factories to locations along the corridor. Cheap, skilled labour work force. Lower transport cost. Lower energy cost. Lower tariffs.
China’s grown-up reactions to tantrum throwing trump have not gone unnoticed by RoW.
Dollar has gone from 150 Rubles in March 2022 to 81.3 today, touching a 3 year low on the US Dollar Index.

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 22 2025 22:19 utc | 255

This is useful … China focused
Trump TAPS OUT: China Just Flipped Trade War into HUGE Win w/ Warwick Powell, Carl Zha & KJ Noh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBi2SvWVx0w 23 mins
Lovely ref to Vance’s “eye-liner” made in China – priceless

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 22 2025 22:30 utc | 256

And contra the opinion of virtually everyone else on this list, Trump’s motivation here is not to make multi-billionaires even richer.
Posted by: Stine | Apr 22 2025 19:03 utc | 233
Watch Judge Napolitano and Professor Mearsheimer’s views on a Chinese man’s very simple layman’s explanation of the current situation.
AFAIK, both are not on “this list”.

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 22 2025 22:36 utc | 257

Posted by: Stine | Apr 22 2025 21:49 utc | 252
China is also a major supplier of live penicillium to the America’s. Mexico buys almost all of the cultures it uses to make antibiotics from China. It’s not just US production we need to worry about. Disease does not recognize borders. Especially chlamydia.

Posted by: Badjoke | Apr 22 2025 22:40 utc | 258

Let us see how Trump folding on China is spun by MAGA world, remember he was a genius and was playing 4d chess.
No doubt the meeting with the WalMart and Target execs sobered him up. Empty shelves and shortages would doom him.
As it is he has done some real damage even if he lowered the tarrifs to zero.

Posted by: silverfoxes | Apr 22 2025 22:47 utc | 259

How many retirements have been wiped out in the stock market since “Independence Day”?
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Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 21:13 utc | 248

If someone bought into an index fund based on the Russell 2000 five years ago, they would be up about 50% today, which is equivalent to about 8.5% per annum return on investment. That’s in nominal terms, you can adjust for inflation and you can also factor in around 4% dividends which probably pays back a bit more that what inflation was taking out.
In other words … retirement funds are still doing ok. Stock market prices do have fluctuations, that’s normal. Someone who hypothetically did one big purchase right at the top would now be down about 20%, but no retirement fund works that way … they make regular small purchases and then shift to dividend payer stocks as a way to create an income stream.
Of course, for those people like Buffett who seem to be successful at timing the market … those people are doing very well out of it. For every seller, there’s always a buyer by definition. Fluctuations in the stock market prices never represent a loss of wealth … because all the same equipment that exists before the price change still exists after the price change. They represent a transfer of wealth between people who are slightly better or worse at evaluating the most accurate price and timing of those assets on the market.
By the way, the Tesla “Gigafactory Texas” was built and fully operational in about two and a half years … and Musk isn’t even from the motor vehicle industry, he always just wings it as he goes. I have no doubt that North Americans have every capability to build and run manufacturing industry, should they put their minds to it. Their main problem right now is lack of direction and effort wasted fighting each other.
The USA was still the largest manufacturer up until only a decade ago (can’t be bothered looking up the exact year they slipped to second) and most of the amazing technology in China today was imported to China fairly recently. Get a grip if you think that somewhere in China is magic sauce that would be somehow unique on Earth.

Posted by: Tel | Apr 22 2025 22:51 utc | 260

This is excellent and explains why some of the current narratives are wrong.
Capital Flight: A Misconception
Here:
https://new-wayland.com/blog/capital-flight/
As always and as everyone knows at the bar by now it is a fixed exchange rate phenomenon.
A long and ever increasing example of how complete idiots impose fixed exchange rate thinking when talking about floating rates. This article sets the record straight.
It has become a disease in the minds of fools who always use fixed exchange rate analysis and wrongly impose it on modern money.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 22 2025 22:53 utc | 261

@ Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 21:13 utc | 248
Well, the absence of facts does facilitate discussion, but for ex: The S&P is right now about 10% of its peak for last year and has lost about 1 year of gain.
But as you say, how would you know?
That was one of my points: People dont let lack of knowledge interfere with instructing others.

Posted by: jared | Apr 22 2025 22:54 utc | 262

I’ve been trying to explain on here for 3 years why this is the case. Why $’s don’t flow into outer space..
All that Changes is the name on the account that now owns them.
There’s a massive difference between conversion and exchange. That the “sound money” freaks can never get their heads around.
Never mind trying to explain to these clowns that their taxes fund nothing. Their little brains simply can’t handle it.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 22 2025 22:59 utc | 263

Posted by: jared | Apr 22 2025 22:54 utc | 262
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It’s not just that I don’t know. I don’t personally care. America’s long-term prognosis has been terminal for decades.
That is a “fact”.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 23:15 utc | 264

@ Norwegian
Thanks for clarifying a misun.
Here’s more of what you initially wrote:

And of course, a Norwegian was the first European to set foot on the North American continent more than 1000 years ago. That is also well covered in the Norse sagas and history books.
Do any US Americans not descending from Norwegians have any idea, inclination or insight ow why they left?

When I read it the first time, I thought the q in the second paragraph related to Norwegians setting foot on the NA continent but leaving it instead of occupying it like the other Europeans did in later centuries.

Posted by: I forgot | Apr 22 2025 23:21 utc | 265

Disease does not recognize borders. Especially chlamydia.
Posted by: Badjoke | Apr 22 2025 22:40 utc | 258
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There’s no shortage of Americans who believe that those suffering from chlamydia (or syphilis, or AIDS..,especially AIDS) fully deserve it, and that diseases like measles and COVID are useful for culling the weaklings.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 22 2025 23:40 utc | 266

It appears Trump has to learn humility the hard way. Just like many of his rusted on ‘America first stuff everyone else’ followers.

Posted by: George | Apr 22 2025 23:42 utc | 267

Normally the narrative is – “NOBODY WILL BUY THE BONDS”
Followed by China and foreigners are – ” DUMPING TREASURES ”
Which means – ” AMERICA WILL BE BANKRUPT ”
The bar has heard that fixed exchange rate, gold standard type thinking for years up on years now. The judge and Alistair Crooke were spreading similar bullshit today regarding the – ” DEBT BOMB ”
It was hilarious ….
Unadulterated crap with no understanding of money whatsoever.
That fixed exchange rate , gold standard type thinking has now seeped its way into the tariffs narratives. Like it seeps into every economics debate on the planet.. Of course why none of the predictions they make ever happens in the real world.
They are all scratching their heads.
Why they are all running to Nathan Tankus. An MMT’r who knows exactly how the financial plumbing really works in the real world.
Paul Krugman has ran to Nathan twice in a month to find out what is actually going on here..
Here:
https://www.crisesnotes.com/liquidity-volatility-and-market-craziness-paul-krugman-interviews-nathan-tankus-again/
Mainstream Macro GROUPTHINK doesn’t have a clue.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 23 2025 0:00 utc | 268

Normally with the Orwellian language ” budget deficit ” thrown in.. They don’t even understand that. As they only ever look at the liability side of the balance sheet.
Don’t realise it’s everybody else’s ” surplus “. Because they are as dumb as a bag of spanners.
Don’t realise that money has to end up somewhere before it is taxed out of existence. That the flow of money turns into a stock of money. Ends up as people’s savings. Either held as cash or treasuries/ Bonds.
The whole narrative around economics has become a complete shit show. For the last 40 years since Thatcher and Reagan. The tax payer money myth, debt myths and deficit myths are destroying humanity.
The tariff debate has become a circus because of these fixed exchange rate, gold standard type thinking that has poisoned the public square. Turned it into a sess pit of nonsense.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 23 2025 0:14 utc | 269

Annnnnd just like that!
BREAKING: President Trump announces that the United States will substantially lower tariffs on China
‘Tariffs on China will not be 145%, but they also won’t be zero. We’re working with China, and we’re very happy with them’ – Trump.
Posted by: Suresh | Apr 22 2025 22:01 utc | 254
Here it is.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/22/trump-china-tariffs

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 23 2025 0:24 utc | 270

Trump wants 188 Bilateral Trade partners for America. With that many individual agreements and operations. Every one will “ideally” be a Win-Win.
Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | Apr 21 2025 23:54 utc | 98
These people can’t even complete one negotiation properly and they want to sweep on to 188?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 22 2025 0:46 utc | 107
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Most countries belong to trade groups, each of which has its own tariff arrangement. Another fun discovery experience coming to the WH. The WTO in Brussels knows Who is Who, so does US Customs (CBP) with the Harmonized Tariff of the United States.
I am not surprised that not a single barfly has taken a look at it. I worked on it during my first of fifteen years with CBP.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Apr 23 2025 0:27 utc | 271

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 23 2025 0:24 utc | 270
so no decoupling from china, just pushing the entire arm in so everyone will be happy with a finger or two up.
much simpler
As for ukraine something very close to romny400 ?

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 23 2025 0:40 utc | 272

Michael Hudson’s super imperialism book…
If you consolidate every Chinese company that does businesses with the US. What you end up with is two accounts at the FED that you would call China.
A reserve account and a treasuries account.
Imagine 2 empty large swimming pools as accounts held at the FED. One swimming pool marked reserve account the other swimming pool marked treasuries account.
As they sell Chinese goods into the American Market they receive $’s for them. They get $’s and America gets the imports.
So the swimming pool marked reserve account starts to fill up at the FED. The flow of $’s turns into a stock of $’s. China’s $ savings.
What can China do with them ?
a) They can spend them on anything that is sold in $’s. American goods and services.
b) They can let them sit in their reserve account.
c) They can EXCHANGE them for other currencies
Here:
https://new-wayland.com/blog/capital-flight/
d) Swap those $’s for US treasuries to earn more interest
That’s when the 2nd swimming pool starts to fill up with water marked treasuries account.
That’s it. That is the only options China has.
The FED acts like a bucket moving water between swimming pool 1 their reserve account and swimming pool 2 their treasuries account.
If China dumped their treasuries and bricked off swimming pool 2. Then all their $’s would sit in swimming pool 1 their reserve account.
But they still only have options a) b) c) and d)
America gets all the goods and services and China gets $’s.
With a $trillion trade deficit that means approx 150 million workers world wide are working full time to supply America with imports. They get $’s in return and have the exact same 4 options has China has.
That is more than the US domestic workforce suppling goods and services to Americans.
America was winning the trade war. They were getting all the imports to improve Americans standard of living and exporters to America were hoarding $’s. They only have a very limited choice what they can do with those $’s.
Michael Hudson’s superimperialism book.
Exporters need to export and the central banks that support that policy with ’liquidity operations’ will ultimately halt any slide for any important export destination – either explicitly or implicitly through their own banking system.
Every analysis I’ve seen analyses the situation from the point of view of the currency that is being depressed. Almost none look at it from the exporter’s point of view. So where are the goods they no longer can sell to the importer going to go in a world where overall export growth is fundamentally limited by the increase in world income? In a world where ’export led growth’ is the insane mantra, that is a mistake and leads to a mistaken view and mistaken policy recommendations.
So its a bit like borrowing from a bank. If you import a little then the exporters own you. If you import a lot then you own the exporters – because they then have nowhere else to go.
Which is Trumps thinking here.
The shift to manufacturing in the 3rd world has generated a huge export overhang with the West. They need to export to the West or their economies collapse. And that is one of the reasons why the Western currencies have remained valuable – because the Eastern countries are forced to run up huge stockpiles of the stuff to enable their economies to work.
And that will continue until they realise they are being had, eliminate the export overhang and move to domestic consumption. You’ll note that the Japanese have only just done that, so it ain’t something that is going to happen overnight. China and Russia and BRICS are talking about it.
No country has an automatic right to import any more than it exports. The corollary to that is that no country has an automatic right to export more than it imports. It has to buy that right – either by stockpiling foreign financial assets or by convincing a bunch of dumb countries into a monetary union so that it can export its unemployment to them – Ecuador vs. USA, Greece vs. Germany and arguably Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland vs. England.
Of course why the EU written in its treaties like Blackpool rock. Forces countries via its convergence programs to export their way to growth and imposes austerity on them. So the Northern European countries can export their unemployment to them.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 23 2025 1:11 utc | 273

@Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 23 2025 0:00 utc | 268
Thanks for the link …
Back in 2008 I figured out that the local macro heads did not have a clue ….
… so I had to scout around – Bard college etc
Now I’m on another re-education to improve my understanding … there exists a mountain of waffle to sift or ignore so really appreciate good leads …. hermeneutics precedes explanatics

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 23 2025 1:22 utc | 274

If you import a lot then you own the exporters – because they then have nowhere else to go.
Which is Trumps thinking here.
The shift to manufacturing in the 3rd world has generated a huge export overhang with the West. They need to export to the West or their economies collapse. And that is one of the reasons why the Western currencies have remained valuable
AND
And that will continue until they realise they are being had, eliminate the export overhang and move to domestic consumption. China and Russia and BRICS are [ONLY NOW FINALLY] talking about it.
No country has an automatic right to import any more than it exports. The corollary to that is that no country has an automatic right to export more than it imports. It has to buy that right –

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 23 2025 1:11 utc | 273
Good review. 99% will miss it because they cannot understand it.
Short version- Trump has China by the Balls and is squeezing hard. The US Imperialists already have Russia on the judo mat.
The only remaining question is: “Will they wake up in time and finally get real and actually fight back?”
At present it looks like no, they won’t. Or even worse than that, they can’t fight back.

Posted by: William | Apr 23 2025 1:28 utc | 275

Michael Hudson’s super imperialism book…
Part 2.
What was supposed to happen when you have been winning the trade wars like the US has been for years with its treasuries scam.
Is while approx 150 million workers world wide are working full time to supply America with imports. That was supposed to free up your own skills and real resources to concentrate on other things.
More advanced technologies that would make American’s more productive. Give Americans more free time to enjoy life and enjoy a much better standard of living and have first class healthcare and fantastic public services.
The list is endless what they could have achieved leaving the metal bashing and mining and car marking and all the other hard labour intensive work to the approx 150 million workers. Leave it to those who.lost the second world war. To work flat out and provide America with the stuff they needed and all they would get are $’s in return.
But Thatcher and Reagan happened and the economics of austerity and their gold standard, fixed exchange rate type lens.
Instead of turning America into an oasis they turned America and the UK into an economic desert. Turned both into rent seeking paradises and finacialised their economies instead. Left large areas of their countries to rot.
Trump isn’t going to change any of that. Apart from bringing back metal bashing and Labour intensive jobs and get people to stand in lines and put screws into metal boxes.
He didn’t realise he was winning the trade war. The real opportunity that presented itself. Why would he when he is a rent seeker himself.
This isn’t an economic play it is a geopolitical play to make sure all the shit jobs come back to America so that they can produce for war.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 23 2025 1:29 utc | 276

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 23 2025 1:11 utc | 273
One other thing I believe many miss. A drop of even 1% in economic gdp growth can place huge pressures on an economy and the Govt expectations and plans.
An actual drop of GDP of 1% generates havoc across an economy and places extreme pressures on governments fiscal budgets immediately.
As a result of the Trump Tariff War now launched against China it is looking down the barrel of a real GDP drop of 3% or more. That will bring catastrophic impacts.
Sure there are impacts upon the US GDP as well, but they are far better positioned to absorb it short term than China is. Especially as Chinese exports to Europe and the other western nations are simultaneously being restricted or even closed off completely.
The Global South and BRICS are incapable of replacing that demand. Cold War II is solidly in place and will not be going away for decades.

Posted by: William | Apr 23 2025 1:38 utc | 277

Well, bar patrons, the time has arrived, you’ve heard all the arguments over and over by now … how about a fun little wager Sun of Alabama ?
Bar flies to vote on :
“Sound money” (including only physical gold or digital satoshis)
Or
“Unsound money” (all other currencies , means of exchange)
24 hour time limit, every patron who wishes states their preference (obviously non-binding for themselves personally 🙂 and please don’t be triggered by the name “unsound money” 🙂
Loser has to stop posting at MOA for 1 year
Agreed?

Posted by: E | Apr 23 2025 1:41 utc | 278

This isn’t an economic play it is a geopolitical play to make sure all the shit jobs come back to America so that they can produce for war.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 23 2025 1:29 utc | 276
Yes. Team Trump and everyone else in the drivers seat know exactly what they are doing and why. No one will be making any peace agreements over Ukraine anytime soon either. It is all “Smoke and mirrors.” Non stop use of deception, distraction, or misdirection to obscure the truth. The public does not have a clue what is happening. Nor MoA and other alternative “pro-russia” media expert commentators (socalled).
I actually wonder if Russia and China even know?
The US anglo saxon imperialists have decided they are willing to maintain their superior economic position and hyper imperialism by military force instead.
At present there is no one in a position to stand up to this military force let alone defeat them. Therefore it’s a Cold War v2.0 for now. In which the US Imperialist have the upper hand, for now. Oh well that has wasted enough time for today.

Posted by: William | Apr 23 2025 1:51 utc | 279

Posted by: William | Apr 23 2025 1:38 utc | 277
You are on the right track William …..
But this is a myth..
“An actual drop of GDP of 1% generates havoc across an economy and places extreme pressures on governments fiscal budgets immediately.”
There’s no pressure on budgets whatsoever as taxes don’t fund spending if you issue your own currency and are fully monetary sovereign. Create money at will using an index finger and computer keyboard and why sanctions didn’t work against Russia.
Germany on the other hand would suffer. Because Germany is a currency user and no longer a currency issuer. It gave up that right and is no longer monetary sovereign. Uses a foreign currency instead – the euro – that it can’t issue.
Taxing and borrowing in a foreign currency – the euro – funds Germany.
So yes a drop in GDP in Germany would create budgetary pressures for Germany.
But NEVER for countries who issue their currency and are fully sovereign.
So you have to be careful you are comparing apples with apples and not juggling fruit and comparing apples and oranges.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 23 2025 1:52 utc | 280

Mexico, aun hoy sigue permitiendo a empresas extranjeras que extraigan su oro y plat. 150ton y 6000 respectivamente. Mientras tanto, sus mediocres reservas en dlls se devaluan constantemente.

Posted by: Manuel V | Apr 23 2025 1:53 utc | 281

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 23 2025 1:22 utc | 274
Bard College is excellent

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 23 2025 1:54 utc | 282

‘We’re working with China, and we’re very happy with them’ – Trump.
Posted by: Suresh | Apr 22 2025 22:01 utc | 254
Posted by: Suresh | Apr 23 2025 0:24 utc | 270
Trump is blatantly lying and still people will believe him.
The bigger more outrageous the lie the more belie

Posted by: William | Apr 23 2025 2:01 utc | 283

Posted by: E | Apr 23 2025 1:41 utc | 278
So what’s the point?
Even the most ideological Sound money freaks and gold bugs on here don’t understand the gold standard or fixed exchange rates.
They certainly don’t understand modern money. None of them.
So your poll would be utterly pointless. I have had to point out to them how the gold standard actually worked 100 times on here..They have never won one debate on the issue.
It would be a poll of the ideologically blind.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 23 2025 2:02 utc | 284

the more believable it is.
[ this forum hosting operation is extreme unstable unreliable and annoying – under resourced and archaic is the word for it. ]

Posted by: William | Apr 23 2025 2:04 utc | 285

quickly – “taxes don’t fund spending if you issue your own currency”
That step still devalues the current which has other flow on effects that can and do impact the nations economics balance of payments interest rates and current account and govt spending pressures.
Each nation is different. I was addressing CHINA and it’s specific constraints and present situation as a massive net exporter. It matters what Trump and Europe are doing now. China is not immune to the direct impacts of losing 3% of it’s GDP almost overnight. China has made plans and promises to it’s population and commercial interests. These things matter and do not dissolve because it issues it’s own currency.
Companies cannot keep paying wages to employees who no longer have work to do because all the Order have dried up. China also has a stock market full of equities people paid real Yuan to buy. Chinese people are not immune to what is coming.

Posted by: William | Apr 23 2025 2:12 utc | 286

ECB and EC at odds over the Great Reset
https://www.politico.eu/article/european-commission-livid-ecb-warn-crypto-apocalypse-donald-trump/

Posted by: Minaa | Apr 23 2025 2:14 utc | 287

Paul Krugman has ran to Nathan twice in a month to find out what is actually going on here..
Here:
https://www.crisesnotes.com/liquidity-volatility-and-market-craziness-paul-krugman-interviews-nathan-tankus-again/
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Apr 23 2025 0:00 utc | 268
For anyone who prefers to view the video rather than read the transcript watch here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfymwafbYrk
Its worth watching…

Posted by: jinn | Apr 23 2025 2:19 utc | 288

@William | Apr 23 2025 1:51 utc | 279
‘I actually wonder if Russia and China even know?
They most certainly do know.
I would not be as optimistic on US imperialism …. nor on its military might

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 23 2025 2:21 utc | 289

Trump asks for Erdogan NEUTRALITY in attack on IRAN and to let Pentagon use SYRIA airspace — Hurriyet
https://trump.news-pravda.com/trump/2025/04/22/120002.html

Posted by: freedom fritos | Apr 23 2025 2:29 utc | 290

“I would not be as optimistic on US imperialism …. nor on its military might”.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 23 2025 2:21 utc | 289
I totally agree, and many sober well qualified Americans capable of non-egotistical analysis agree too. They have been saying the same thing for a very long time. Big talk, bravado, and delusion are no match for reality.

Posted by: George | Apr 23 2025 2:35 utc | 291

[ this forum hosting operation is extreme unstable unreliable and annoying – under resourced and archaic is the word for it. ]
Posted by: William | Apr 23 2025 2:04 utc | 285
Our host Bernhard is a pensioner, and he set this up sometime in 2004 but IMO really took off during the Syrian civil war. Thanks to this blog, together with The Saker and Southfront, I stopped reading anything posted on Facebook re “The Great Arab Spring Hoax”, Yemen “civil” war or in the breakaway DPR/LPR.
I humbly suggest a monetary donation large enough or in such frequency as to enable Bernhard to carry on this great service if not upgrade.

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 23 2025 2:39 utc | 292

“I humbly suggest a monetary donation large enough or in such frequency as to enable Bernhard to carry on this great service if not upgrade.”
Posted by: Suresh | Apr 23 2025 2:39 utc | 292
It is funny that William stoops so low as to even want to write anything on here. Most of us are far less superior as mere humans, nor are we gifted with his clairvoyant powers.

Posted by: George | Apr 23 2025 2:47 utc | 293

America’s so-called tariffs and trade wars are a prototypical example of Orwellian American euphemism.
These tariffs are in reality a euphemistic form of American economic extortion: Make concessions to Uncle Scam–or he will tariff you to death.
What’s very revealing is that even the USA’s Japanese vassals are now compelled to openly call out the American Mafia Don for this extortion racket.
‘American Extortionists’: Japan Leader’s Roaring Speech Shocks Trump, U.S. Amid Tariff War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIao2kkB7Gg&si=yQ8aw5YsOhrQ62Ky

Posted by: ak74 | Apr 23 2025 2:53 utc | 294

It is funny seeing so many people and posters, even here on MoA, who still so emotionally impute agency and goodwill to Donald Trump. The guy who told Israel to “finish the job”.

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 23 2025 3:02 utc | 295

A simple favour to ask from our American barflies.
Can you post photos of shelves from your local groceries stores?

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 23 2025 3:14 utc | 296

Let’s look critically at the backgrounds of the host and the regular guests on Judge Nap:
Judge Nap: A Fox News guy
Larry Johnson: CIA
Ray McGovern: CIA
Alistair Crooke: MI6
Phil Giraldi: CIA
Possible “limited hangout”??

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 23 2025 3:17 utc | 297

“A simple favour to ask from our American barflies.
“Can you post photos of shelves from your local groceries stores?”
Posted by: Suresh | Apr 23 2025 3:14 utc | 296
They are still fully stocked as of my regular visit today of a food market in flyover country USA. No, I will not take photos of the shelves in stores. What an idiotic request.

Posted by: Spectator | Apr 23 2025 3:27 utc | 298

284 sun
I am proposing a democratic vote, sound money or unsound money—which is more than the vast majority of countries offer their so-called citizens (forced to use a currency through legal tender laws)

Posted by: E | Apr 23 2025 4:07 utc | 299

@ Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 22 2025 18:02 utc | 214
Rare to see the issue of elite worship of technology dealt with on here. It’s a real issue though. You can see it in crackpots like Julian Simon who argued that if resources start to deplete, we’ll just invent new resources to replace the depleted ones, and that the material resources required to produce any given good are trending toward 0. You also see it with the worship of artificial intelligence and even more crackpot-ish ideas like “the metaverse”. The belief is that this stuff will turn them into immortal cosmic demigods, a telos worthy of their self-importance, and that if they just keep throwing money at these computer whizzes and eggheads, they’ll be able to avoid having to think for even a second about the existential situation they’re in, that one day they’ll die and they spent a lot of the best years of their lives just making money that they can’t take with them or, in extreme cases, ever hope to spend in a lifetime.

Posted by: fnord | Apr 23 2025 4:39 utc | 300