Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
April 21, 2025
Phase 1: Impose Tariffs – Phase 2: ? – Phase 3: Profit

The underpants gnomes (vid) had a great plan:

1. Steal underpants, 2. …, 3. Profit


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The Trump administration seems to think likewise:

1. Impose tariffs, 2. …, 3. Profit

There was already some struggle while implementing phase 1.

Phase 2 seems to create even more serious problems:

Charles Gasparino @CGasparino – 16:42 UTC · Apr 21, 2025

BREAKING: Japanese negotiators are complaining that the problem with the trade negotiations with the White House, what's delaying concrete progress and a real deal, is that US keeps changing its ask in terms of exactly what it wants, said one financial CEO who speaks regularly to country officials. Maybe it's a negotiating tactic. But the lack of publicly announced deal progress is depressing the dollar, spiking bond yields and leading to a flight to quality to gold and now Bitcoin. Developing

Gregg Carlstrom @glcarlstrom – 17:38 UTC · Apr 21, 2025

Not just Japan. Every diplomat I've asked about tariffs in the Middle East has told a similar story: they don't know how to engage with the Trump administration because everyone makes different demands

Also, we are really in trouble if Bitcoin is now a "flight to quality"

Every single person who works for the White House on trade seems to have a different idea of how to (ab)use the tariffs. There seems to be no big common plan to which they are all aligned to. This won't work.

Markets need rules and assurances that the rules will be adhered to. Any factor that increase insecurity will require additional security margins within each deal. When all this gets too expensive, unpredictable and complicate people will simply bail out. Money is leaving the U.S. dollar denominated markets. This creates the unusual case where share prices, treasuries and the dollar conjointly decline.

But "trust us" some pro tariff folks might say. "Phase 3 will soon come and its gonna be huge." 

May be. I for one am not yet convinced.

Comments

I think Trump is going through a sulking phase at the moment because absolutely nothing he announced with his characteristic fanfare of trumpets has actually worked or come about successfully. He’s good mostly at creating more and more enemies basically through his grossly inflated ego.
People give him far too much credit for being a capable leader but he is simply not up to the task because he continues to be driven by his pathological narcissism and emotions, and not any level of geopolitical genius or statesman-like abilities (only religious Trump followers believe in that). This is why Xi Jinping and Putin have him exactly where they want him even though Trump himself started the aggressive bun fight with great bravado and lashings of ill founded megalomania.

Posted by: George | Apr 22 2025 0:35 utc | 101

Trump is a chaos monkey, and it’s visible in the chaos he’s inflicted on his own team as well.

Posted by: AmusedIndian | Apr 22 2025 0:35 utc | 102

Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | Apr 21 2025 23:54 utc | 98
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Trump loves McKinley, he wants to restore the Gilded Age with his tariffs and deregulation, a period of extreme wealth disparity.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 0:41 utc | 103

Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | Apr 21 2025 23:15 utc | 88
Several long-time posters here have, at various times and in various threads, given detailed explanations of their lived experience in China.
It might be worth your while to ‘lurk moar’, though I can quite understand that your exceptionalist entitlement to your manifest destiny gets in the way…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 21 2025 23:25 utc | 89
You assign FAR too much import to anything “long-time posters” around here contribute.

Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | Apr 22 2025 0:41 utc | 104

and it’s a big if, the gambit is decoupling china from “western trade” (and including most countries too weak to bail out)….
Posted by: Newbie | Apr 21 2025 18:52 utc | 3
If that’s the goal it won’t be just China that’s decoupled from Western trade, it will be much of BRICS+.
That would achieve the opposite of what the US wants, creating an opposing trading bloc where China would be the dominant player with a captive market.
The fact is that the West has never really known what it’s like to be decoupled from trade on this scale:
– During colonial times it had the resources of the global South at its disposal gratis.
– In modern times it’s had cheap labour and materials from the global South.
This is no ‘gambit’. There’s no winning outcome here:
What the Americans are doing is committing suicide and taking the entire West with them.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 22 2025 0:42 utc | 105

I’m with karlof1 who @67 points out that Trump is just enriching the elite. “But at what cost?”
Exacerbating the already incredible wealth disparity in this country brings the potential of a critical mass where all bets are off. And funneling everything to the top creates a fabulously unbalanced economic system where total collapse occurs.
That the people would let the elite buy everything for pennies on the dollar then would be a precarious assumption indeed.
Rather, one could easily see a true nationalist/populist a la Putin rising from the ashes and whipping the oligarchs into shape.
A prior post I mentioned the despair index around the Soviet Union’s collapse. Putin has cut suicides to now 25% of their highs during the late Soviet Union and shortly after its collapse.
I see a lot of pain in the U.S.’ future. I also see opportunity. And a pan sifting of all the detritus in our system getting it down to a more uniform shape.
I have asked this question a million times and no satisfactory answer follows: what is Russia?
Communist, liberal, nationalist?
An age-old way of looking at leadership and fair rule over the Masses? The return of the Aristoi?
Heidegger offered in his interview with Der Spiegel published posthumously that perhaps, “China and Russia will reawaken ancient means of ruling” that will show the west the way.
Nailed it!

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 22 2025 0:46 utc | 106

Trump wants 188 Bilateral Trade partners for America. With that many individual agreements and operations. Every one will “ideally” be a Win-Win.
Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | Apr 21 2025 23:54 utc | 98
These people can’t even complete one negotiation properly and they want to sweep on to 188?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 22 2025 0:46 utc | 107

I think the underpants gnomes three step method needs to be modified for Trump:
1. Collect underpants (win election).
2. Make a lot of noise and tell everyone to be scared because self-proclaimed ‘Superman’ Trump has been elected.
3.?

Posted by: George | Apr 22 2025 0:47 utc | 108

Fascism are us.

Posted by: elmagnostic | Apr 22 2025 0:47 utc | 109

sounds like a movie doesn’t it?
Posted by: ld | Apr 21 2025 19:42 utc | 21
Sounds like a certain book that may not be named.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 22 2025 0:49 utc | 110

get Sinophile shit but the Chinese Communists have ZERO care for anyone, or anything that doesn’t bow to their Global schemes.
Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | Apr 21 2025 23:15 utc | 88
Name me one country that does?
It’s all a free for all, but at least with China you’re not ‘negotiating’ over a barrel.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 22 2025 0:52 utc | 111

Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | Apr 21 2025 23:15 utc | 88
I usually lurk and don’t contribute, but I want to take some time to express how much I love this guy, adding levity in an otherwise very gloomy atmosphere. I haven’t laughed so much in quite a while, thanks for that.
Please, for next comment, add more caps.

Posted by: Lemming | Apr 22 2025 1:46 utc | 112

Phase 1: Impose Tariffs – Phase 2: ? – Phase 3: Profit ????????????????????
The Trump Administration Team, Trump himself and his Billionaire MIC / Intel backers know exactly what they are doing and why, and why it is going to work for them as planned.
This article and comments section here, and all over the world, is replete with people who do not and never will.
Why does anyone still listen to them?

Posted by: William | Apr 22 2025 2:25 utc | 113

It’s all a free for all, but at least with China you’re not ‘negotiating’ over a barrel.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 22 2025 0:52 utc | 111
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…or at gunpoint.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 22 2025 2:26 utc | 114

Everyone realizes that the banks running algo AI programs make a lot of money when market goes up or down right? This will be a very profitable time as the actors on CNBC do their thing. of course there is no inherent value to the stock market at these PE ratios its a play to avoid dollar destruction nothing more. The big boys do not lose. Retail gets milked.
Behind it all is a sneaking suspicion that Jerome has forgotten the control p key. They allready own all the treasuries because they are collateral on loans the fed has made. The fact that the fed owns even one treasury when they have prime collateral status is indicator that the ponzi might be close. You can point to Japan but the Japanese fed does not hide its Japan treasury buying with this prime collateral sham. If the fed holdings were inclusive of Treasuries the fed owns via them being “prime colateral” on notes the fed owns the percentage owned by the fed might be very high indeed.
Where is the archilles heel? No one knows. Technically the fed can create quadrillions to loan on treasuries that are “prime collateral’ and remain solvent. treasury interest rate is not determined by free market. From the most simplest evaluation the fed meets every quarter to determine interest rates. They determine interest rates because thuy are the ones creating digital ones and zeros to make loans to buy treasuries. As long as there is collateral backing the loans the fed is 100% solvent. The fed says that treasuries are the best collateral ever. If the treasury interest is 4.8% the fed loans at 4.7% and the bank makes profit. The bank can not fail to pay on the loan as the collateral nets more than the loan cost. The loans basically are on the books forever always rolling over. there is no “mark to market” and never has been for the fed. Interest rats will not kill the ponzi. They are set where the fed wants.
What interest rates do is determine how much access business and consumers have to money. Lower interest rates mean more liquidity which s basically more credit. This has to be balanced against dollar demand and this largely comes from China as the worlds biggest real organic economy. China must have those dollars to avoid the reserve currency curse. Even without it its got problems. Wages as well of standard of living have skyrocketed in China. Reserve currency status and its over for China and of course for the USA. Trumps plan threatens China not with lack of dollars created from nothing but with the reserve currency curse. Its been that way for a while and of course China hates it. They just hate it less than becoming the reserve currency. Its actually a pretty safe bet this will continue.
Jeromes ability to give the economy a hot shot comes from making dollars accessible via low interest. Not to mention the dozen or so ways the fed created to inject money into the economy during covid. And of course old reliable. Giving money away.
Here is where it gets interesting. Isnt “economics” fun! Part of the problem during covid is there were not products to buy. Injecting momey had a much less effect. in fact the degree that injecting money effects the economy grows less with each injection. No products to buy made that much worse. Basically consumers paid living expenses or paid off debt with the money injections they got their hands on. The small business loans were give aways. But none of this created a consumer frenzy where products are consumed because there were no products. The tarrifs will do the same thing. None of this will create USA manufacturing. Thats ridiculous. THere will be a lot less products in 90 days. And even less in 180. And even less in 360. IMO much less than covid.Jerome hitting the control p button will do nothing because there is nothing to buy.
Im not sure what the real purpose of the tariffs are. Collapsing the “economy”? Forcing China to try and find a dollar alternative? Ensuring the neoliberals regain control permanently and trumps legacy as a goose stepping ogre is preserved forever as the favorite uber nemesis? more skim for the MIC?Supply and demand depends on supply. limiting supply means demand does not matter. Demand and control p can go to infinity (just like the debt) but if there is no supply no “economic” excitation.
Very soon Trumps republican backers will rebel as they realize they are getting set up for a fall.
All this assumes Jerome will actually hit control p. The tariffs create dollar scarcity mostly in China. Control p creates dollars and they end up in three places. Bonds MIC and China. Control p would work against the tarrifs. I guess theres no reason to overthink this. No Chinese products more for bonds and MIC. Consumers are not really necessary.
Im not sure what dimension Biden came from. All that was needed is just some common sense. Stop the blow up the world talk. Cuts some deals. There was room for some USA manufacturing in high tech in those deals. Common sense would have put red team in for a long time after biden. Common sense and it would have been back to “budiness”. That obviously is not important. Biden was like the alien from planet p. Trump is like the wacky race to ripsaw. But even that is common sense compared to the actual mechanisms of dollar creation. Crazy is as crazy does I suppose.
A little common sense would be nice. A JFK. Is that really too much to hope for? Or is that simply impossible with a wacky race to ripsaw basis? What that cartoon needed is nuclear weapons! I mean what is wacky without nukes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKRIlqOjFA8

Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 22 2025 2:33 utc | 115

“Posted by: William | Apr 22 2025 2:25 utc | 113”
So in love with yourself and your superiority in understanding and commenting -like Trump himself- you write:
“This article and comments section here, and all over the world, is replete with people who do not and never will.”
“…who do not and never will” WHAT?
Such superiority, especially the grammar!

Posted by: George | Apr 22 2025 2:34 utc | 116

Posted by: William | Apr 22 2025 2:25 utc | 113
I see the glowies are out in force today.

Posted by: Lemming | Apr 22 2025 2:38 utc | 117

Are the tarrifs part and parcel of the Taiwan/Ukraine/Palestine confrontation/war/genocide axis.
Yes, or no.
Answers on a postcard, please.

Posted by: Keith | Apr 22 2025 2:46 utc | 118

Have I missed the results of the Fort Knox audit? Or haven’t they been published yet?…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 21 2025 22:10 utc | 65
Came out with the Epstein Files……., er..,..Schrodinger’s Epstein Files?

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 22 2025 3:04 utc | 119

The goal of the US-Imperialist-Bloc the Anglo-Americans is to break up and destroy Russia and China.
There is no difference between the GOP and the DEMS, no difference between Biden-Trump-Obama-Bush, no difference between Rubio-Blinken–they are all cut from the same cloth–they either serve Imperial Capitalism or they are removed.
Under neo-liberalism 1970s-1990s, the relative autonomy of the US state eroded, and private capital exerted more direct control of much of the state (MIC/Techno Deep State). Today, however, faced with rising international economic threats to the US position, and the failure of neo-liberalism to maintain US economic dominance, the collective political interests of the ruling class are being asserted by an increasingly autonomous state (as opposed to representing the interests of individual capitalist groups). To borrow from Lenin, for the capitalists also, ‘politics must take precedence over economics’.
Financialisation or accumulation under the phase of monopoly-finance capital is truly a parasitic development aimed at drawing blood from a sponge and marking the structural crisis of capital. US capital has an internal contradiction. As US capital seeks to increase surplus extraction from its own working class, it risks losing support for its external military wars, which are aimed at removing international obstacles to US capitalist economic interests. The US ruling class (and Congressional Uniparty) is therefore forced into simultaneous attacks on the Global South and its own working class – this necessitated the rise of increasingly right-wing currents in US capitalism.
In the 1930s, the US had sufficient reserves to confront a deep crisis of capitalism with a reformist domestic programme, unlike the open attack on the working class in Germany or Japan. However, it took WWII for the US to escape the economic depression not, as is popularly purported, the Keynesian New Deal. Today, in this new situation, the US has no alternative but to rely on combining external aggression with an increasingly repressive domestic agenda–be it via Trump or Biden or the next Clown hired for the top PR job.
The US utilises inflation to attempt to increase profits – a trend exacerbated by military spending and the debt it incurs. Interest on US military debt now accounts for around 70% of US federal government net interest payments. In the 1970s, the US was able to manage the consequences of its Viet Nam Bonanza in military spending by removing itself from the gold standard to push the cost of this debt onto other countries. This successful attack on imperialist rivals strengthened US economic and financial power compared to them.
An accurate historical perspective, as well as short-term shifts, is required when analysing a potential decline of an empire. In Europe, the transition from slavery to feudalism took several centuries as did the transition from feudalism to capitalism. France was still fighting remnants of feudalism in the 19th century, hundreds of years after European capitalism had begun on a small scale in Italian city-states.
A country’s balance of payments is equal to the difference between its domestic capital creation (savings/surplus) and its domestic capital investment. If a country’s ‘domestic’ capital creation is larger than its domestic investment, it is, therefore, exporting capital and runs a balance of payments surplus. If a country’s domestic capital creation is less than its ‘domestic’ capital investment, it runs a balance of payments deficit and is importing capital, that is, it has a surplus in its capital account.
From 1913 to the early 1980s, with rare exceptions, the US generated more surplus than it invested ‘domestically’. It had a surplus of capital that it could invest in other countries and extend its international hegemony not only through violence. Post-WWII, the particular beneficiaries of this were imperialist countries whom the US wished to enmesh, integrate, and dominate, as seen by the Marshall Plan in Europe. Other beneficiaries, such as the Republic of Korea, became military frontier states to constrain Russia and China and thus received US economic investment.
By the late 1960s, the US understood that the most urgent economic, as opposed to political, threat did not come from communism. The attention began to focus on curtailing the growth of other capitalist rivals. A few capitalist economies – first Germany in the immediate post-war period and then Japan until the late 1970s – achieved investment rates far higher than the US, reaching 30% of the GDP or above. This enabled these countries to achieve higher GDP growth rates than the US. This was a historical result of the immense defeats of the German and Japanese working classes by fascism – the consequences of which continued into the post-war period. German and Japanese capitalists were able to increase the rates of exploitation, which financed high rates of capital investment. Simultaneously, their ‘late industrialisation’ also allowed them access to better quality technology, which further increased productivity. While the US was prepared to accept the economic consequences of this in the immediate post-war period, the continuation of this process began to impact US economic growth.
To prevent effective economic competition from these countries, the United States used political and military pressure to force down their rates of investment and, therefore, growth rates. The decoupling of the US dollar from gold in 1971, and therefore the removal of restraints on the weaponisation of the US control of the international monetary system, played a key role in this process.
But despite this ability to slow down imperialist rivals, the US proved incapable of raising its own economic growth rate (to achieve a new higher rate of investment and exploitation), partly because of the withdrawal of US-based capitalists from long-term productive investments within the United States — productive investments went overseas to CHINA and others instead–offshoring US Manufacturing and hurting the working class yet again. Indeed, US economic growth decelerated further – the average annual economic growth of the US today is only 2.0%, less than half its growth rate in the 1960s and far behind the rate of growth of China or indeed of a series of Asian states.shows that the US has had a long-term overall decline in average growth rate since 1953.
Confronted with this situation the US Imperialist UniParty (GOP/Dems) has subsequently turned to TARIFFS, economic sanctions, and technology bans, leading to an increasingly protectionist environment. However, despite this economic decline, as already analysed, the US still maintains a military lead over all other states. US Imperialism, therefore, now turns to a growing reliance on force.
Tracing the processes underlying this and showing the inability of the US to raise its rate of growth without a complete restructuring of the US economy (which is not on the agenda).
No matter how often these truths are told people still default to declaring TRUMP and or TDS is the problem. Ridiculous.
By 2002, for the first time, US borrowing from abroad was higher than its domestic net capital creation – i.e., for the first time, even the immediate increase in US capital stock was being financed more by capital from other countries than from the US itself. This slightly reversed and then fluctuated until 2020, when, once again, more of the addition to the US capital stock was financed from other countries.
To summarise this overall process, the US has structured the world economy to its advantage. Its corporations obtain gargantuan amounts of surplus value through the global arbitrage in the Global South and the entire imperial system forces US dollars on foreign countries – including via not only economic processes but through US military bases and other means. The aim is to create a system whereby countries have no choice but to put their US dollars into US securities, financing the US deficit and US domestic investment. This is how global monopoly-finance capital, which is an advanced form of financial imperialism backed by military and political power, works—-GOP or DEMS, Trump or Biden Project2025 or not it makes no difference to anything.
What is upsetting this system is that monopoly capital is relatively stagnant in terms of production (the real economy), which has allowed China and other countries in the Global South to leap forward in production. Hudson’s Super Imperialism provides useful insight on what the consequences would be if the US lost its dollar hegemony.
US Imperial Economic and Military Power overwhelms Russia-China and Global South power by orders of magnitude. Negotiating any kind of “deal” any agreement economic or military with the USA is lunacy.

Posted by: William | Apr 22 2025 3:39 utc | 120

LosBanos | Apr 22 2025 2:33 utc | 115 < i>But none of this created a consumer frenzy where products are consumed because there were no products.
Wot.
Are you posting from North Korea?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 22 2025 3:42 utc | 121

Posted by: George | Apr 22 2025 2:34 utc | 116
Read the comment as is. The answer is self-evident and clear. Read it properly and awaken. I’m not your mother.

Posted by: William | Apr 22 2025 3:44 utc | 122

I read the Golem article linked by G | Apr 21 2025 19:12 utc | 9, it makes a speculation that I am unable to fully restate here, because I don’t grok economics.

I read those links too.. Phase 2 is the manipulation of the dollar, the tariffs were expected to strengthen the dollar temporarily. Phase 2 then follows the tariffs to weaken the dollar and strengthen other national currencies to reduce their purchasing power parity.
Something, something, something .. about “currency offset”.
I like Brian Berletic’s analogy better. The US is battening down its own ship, in order to ram it super hard into other ships, the idea being while your own ship may still be seriously damaged, you will still be floating & recoverable, when the other sinks.
I also support whoever mentioned Limits to Growth, several revisits of that 1972 study, have continued to validate it’s predictions.
Those interested, might also like to read Tim Morgans “Surplus Energy Economics” blog.
Not sure it will work out as planned, it seems to have a base assumption that the “massive American consumer market” or Treasuries etc, and/or its “massive military might” as a “security umbrella” is still of worthwhile value, providing a “global public good”, to most of the rest of the world, and they will put up with anything for US ‘protection’. Maybe some of the poorest & weakest will..

Posted by: Rain | Apr 22 2025 3:48 utc | 123

Nah, I still see Russia and China as midwifing something “else” into history.
TINA. All is theater.
Russia and China are slowly but surely chokeholding the west into submission.
Every counter move the west attempts to make, the tightening only hastens.
China has control of its population. There is a coherent narrative, an amalgamation of nationalism, communism, mercantilism, and natural religion from its own history. The same can be said for Russia, more or less. The west is, on the flipside, so disparate and disunited, full of liberal class contradictions that no miracle could be conjured up to galvanize us to go running into a trench for TPTB.
Powell. Trump. ALL THEATER!
Don’t get too invested in the silliness. The future is being decided on the battlefields in Ukraine and the killing fields in Gaza.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 22 2025 4:26 utc | 124

…or at gunpoint.
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 22 2025 2:26 utc | 114
Thanks. I love my mixed metaphors.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 22 2025 4:55 utc | 125

…or at gunpoint.
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 22 2025 2:26 utc | 114
Thanks. I love my mixed metaphors.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 22 2025 4:56 utc | 126

Goal #1: lower/zero/negative interest rates to refinance the national debt, reduce interest payments on the debt, and enable the printing press once more.
Goal #2: achieve goal #1 without a deep and prolonged recession
Goal #3: all money saved by DOGE + Goal #1 used to increase defense spending and production for WW3
Evidence: What have you heard Trump complaining about? Tariff progress? No! His biggest complaint these days is why hasn’t Powell lowered rates! Trump vs Powell vs Fed vs Rates
Means of Achieving Goals: cut non-defense spending, use tariffs and/or tariff uncertainty to produce a recession, blame it on previous administration

Posted by: nobody | Apr 22 2025 5:00 utc | 127

Nobody wants to lend money under lower rates when it is highly likely banks will have to raise rates by the end of the year. The 4.5% Bond rates will rise to well over 5% if Japan & some private euro holders continue to unload them.
Remember too that the $9 trillion loan rollover that amerika must organise during this year will be at far higher rates than those they currently hold. Like prices interest rates will continue to rise during 2025.
The Federal government can make rates rise with their antics, but there is nothing they can do to prevent the rate rises already programed.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 22 2025 5:21 utc | 128

refinance the national debt
Posted by: nobody | Apr 22 2025 5:00 utc | 127

You see, this is where your plan falls the apart.
The debt will not be refinanced. It will be defaulted upon.
After that default getting more new credit will be a miserable task.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 22 2025 5:29 utc | 129

What Bloomberg is saying.
Markets Are Discovering the Real Trump Trade Is ‘Sell America’
The president’s attacks on the Fed are pushing the world further off its American axis, as governments and investors lose confidence in the US dollar and bonds.
April 21, 2025 at 9:00 PM GMT+2
Two months into Donald Trump’s second term, the pillars of American financial hegemony — erected over the best part of a century — have rarely looked shakier.
and so on ==> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-04-21/trump-s-trade-war-puts-us-dollar-bonds-safe-haven-status-at-risk
Sell, Mortimer! Sell!

Posted by: too scents | Apr 22 2025 5:37 utc | 130

Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | Apr 21 2025 23:15 utc | 88
Someone needs to update this guy’s talking points

Posted by: trev | Apr 22 2025 5:40 utc | 131

The efficacy of Trump’s tariffs.

China Trade Immune So Far to Tariffs With Growth Pickup in April
April 22, 2025 at 7:29 AM GMT+2
Chinese trade flows have held up in April despite the imposition of punitively high duties by Donald Trump, as the US president spared many electronic products from some of his levies and paused the wave of tariffs he plans against most countries.
Chinese ports processed 6.3 million containers in the seven days through April 20, official data showed on Monday. That’s an increase of 10% from the same week last year, according to Bloomberg calculations, a stretch of growth that now extends to nearly three months.
continues ==> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-22/china-trade-immune-so-far-to-tariffs-with-growth-pickup-in-april

The data is not so rosy for Japan.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 22 2025 5:57 utc | 132

Repost excerpt of SilverFox upthread. Worth close reading:,

…. the only possible explanation for this whole policy was to extract as much resources/money from the current US economy/system by the elite who back Donald Trump. The best modern day parallel that comes to mind is 1990s Russia under Yeltsin.
The elite/cunning recognized the USSR was over and it was time to feast on the carcass. I believe this is the direction we are headed for , of course the presentation will be different but the outcome will be the same, increased concentration of the US assets in the hands of the elite and the general population having a decrease in quality of life.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 22 2025 6:00 utc | 133

Posted by: William | Apr 22 2025 3:39 utc | 120

“Confronted with this situation the US Imperialist UniParty (GOP/Dems) has subsequently turned to TARIFFS, economic sanctions, and technology bans, leading to an increasingly protectionist environment. However, despite this economic decline, as already analysed, the US still maintains a military lead over all other states. US Imperialism, therefore, now turns to a growing reliance on force.

Then four paragraphs later…

“To summarise this overall process, the US has structured the world economy to its advantage. Its corporations obtain gargantuan amounts of surplus value through the global arbitrage in the Global South and the entire imperial system forces US dollars on foreign countries – including via not only economic processes but through US military bases and other means. The aim is to create a system whereby countries have no choice but to put their US dollars into US securities, financing the US deficit and US domestic investment. This is how global monopoly-finance capital, which is an advanced form of financial imperialism backed by military and political power, works—-GOP or DEMS, Trump or Biden Project2025 or not it makes no difference to anything.

Great shpeal William I could agree with most of it except the bolded above. Were you to read here more often you’d’ve learned america’s in third or fourth place militarily. Look how our generals are doing in 404 for instance. Had the proxies and our shoddy weapons, but how did that work out? Check out our Navy too, William two aircraft carriers to take on the Houthis does that sound like military might to you? Your stuck in the twentieth century, perhaps join us in the new millenium? It started awhile ago, so you have some catching up to do.
Below is a thirty one minute video I linked to in a different thread, but I find Brian Berletic’s analysis of Genocide Don’s tariff policy, which is just a continuation of Genocide Joe’s tariff policy, which was just an escalation of Trump’s tariffs during his first term.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSWMEc8J88Y
However, Brian lays out that all the policies G. Don and G. Joe before him were already written by the Heritage Foundation. A link below is to the stink tanks lengthy document on “Project 2025”, which was written in 2023. Brian believes the tariffs are to help protect the american economy from the chaos the tariffs are supposed to wreak on the rest of the world. America will purportedly come out ahead and continue to rule the world. The only problem I can readily see is the document linked below is 100% propaganda!
https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf
Chapter 26 is on TRADE and the tariffs and there’s a graph within purportedly showing america’s manufacturing prowess, since the 1920’s and shows our peak manufacturing is occurring today!

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Apr 22 2025 6:04 utc | 134

extract as much resources/money from the current US economy/system
Posted by: Exile | Apr 22 2025 6:00 utc | 133

Good luck extracting value from a Potemkin Village. The counterparties that these vultures propose to feast upon are themselves.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 22 2025 6:04 utc | 135

Re: Powell Cutting Rates ?
Powell only sets short term rates. He‘s already cut short term rates 3 times…..yet the long end of the curve has risen big time.
Conclusion – Powell has lost ability to influence interest rates.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 22 2025 6:04 utc | 136

our peak manufacturing is occurring today!
Posted by: aye, myself & me | Apr 22 2025 6:04 utc | 134

The Clinton Administration’s Buro of Labor Statistics reclassified fast food restaurants from the “service” to the “manufacturing” category.
Project 2025 is full of other such categorical errors, and more fantasy. It is a cartoonish fiction.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 22 2025 6:16 utc | 137

Re: counterparty risk ?
Good point Too Scents. All the more reason for the insiders to loot quickly in short bursts.
If you and I can back-of-the-envelope calculate the (increasing) risk of default ; surely the insiders have done so too.
I‘m honestly shocked at how fast this is unraveling.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 22 2025 6:28 utc | 138

I‘m honestly shocked at how fast this is unraveling.
Posted by: Exile | Apr 22 2025 6:28 utc | 138

I’m not. I expected the wheels to fall off years ago.
Now that China is so strong market operators can no longer sell their bad money. The jig is well and truly up.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 22 2025 6:34 utc | 139

The US economy has produced 2 Surpluses in the past 50 years.
Why has it taken so long for the money to go elsewhere, and traders finally reject the US Dollar as the safe haven they robotically always turned to??

Posted by: Rubiconned | Apr 22 2025 6:52 utc | 140

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 22 2025 0:42 utc | 105
I’d say it’s assisted suicide. They are stealing the silver ware while the body is still warm, to then fekk off to greener pastures. The western peasants will be left holding the bag, if there even is a bag left to hold.
The interisting question is: will the rest of the world give a place to live to these looters? Will the rest of the world let the looters proceed to extract surplus value?

Posted by: kspr | Apr 22 2025 6:57 utc | 141

@Markw | Apr 21 2025 22:13 utc | 66

Take Norwegian for example; do any of those who remained in the home country have any idea, inclination or insight about those who left?

You mean 100+ years ago. Yes, it is extensively covered in schools. In the 1970s there were evening long TV shows covering the subject at the time when there was only 1 TV channel. There was also the famous movie “innvandrere” with Liv Ullman on the subject.
And of course, a Norwegian was the first European to set foot on the North American continent more than 1000 years ago. That is also well covered in the Norse sagas and history books.
Do any US Americans not descending from Norwegians have any idea, inclination or insight ow why they left?

Or reflect on the fact that Norwegians would just be another variation of ice niggers if they weren’t sitting on reserves?

LOL ‘ice niggers’, that’s nice. I take it to mean you have taken my posts to heart. Good for you, because I count expressing truth as my top priority. Do you consider it as some sort of crime to have natural resources? Why are your military acting as occupiers in my country?

Nope, all the Euros here are simple reactionaries who are repelled by overt, over the top US patriotism (ie exceptionalism), never thinking to consider any deeper meaning.

‘Euro’ is the currency of the EU, of which Norway is not a member and the currency in Norway is Kroner. Are you a ‘$’ ?

It’s just lazy and stupid, all sound and fury signifying nothing.

Yes.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 22 2025 6:57 utc | 142

China – China – China
So many are pontificating on China, yet many are just content to be a barfly and stuff their mouths with stale peanuts and quaff a “Tall Toad”.
Hey! A flight to China is CHEAP. And China is visa-free for many nations, including the United States. ( believe it is a three day “buy all you can carry” program. Just call your boss, tell him that you’ll be at home for a few days to deal with “personal issues”, and fly to China.
See things with your own two eyes.
Watching CNN, FOX or MSNBC is so 1990’s.
Or “Google” for that matter. What’s stoppin’ you all? Just crank up DeepSeek or QWen 2.5 and get real insight and answers.
Now all this chit-chat on MoA is all related to what the “talking heads” in the West are sayin’. Not what is actually going on.
Pssst…
What the “news” says is all a distraction narrative. it has no relation to reality.
The big news in China today is the new non-nuclear nuclear bomb.

Pretty cool. Twice the destruction and no radiation!
And you all thought that the “neutron bomb” was the shit! Silly you!
Apparently it’s got Nanostructured metals (like magnesium) combined with oxidizers, to create a hybrid weapon based on Metastable Intermolecular Composites (MICs). The explosions are very large much larger than Thermobaric weapons.
The good news is that the weapon payloads are really tiny, enabling multiple warheads with their own guidance to be crammed into the hyper-sonic arsenals that the Chinese already have deployed.
Ah. What an interesting time we line in.

Now, of course, if you read Western “news” you might have the impression that all of China are worrying and fretting all about “tariffs”. Nope. Not at all. In fact, most of the Chinese surrounding me thinks it’s funny.
Big stuff going on in China.
Those flying cars are the shit! I’ll tell you what. Kinda expensive though. $250,000. Tack on a 245% tariff and no one’s gonna be taking a Jetson’s style taxi in the USA any day soon…

The new electronics out of the Canton Fair is worth reporting on. But all I hear out of the Western media is crickets.
Phones that don”t need cell phone towers, robots that babysit, AI controlled microwaves. All so cool.

But I watched a FOX “news” show where an “expert” earnestly repeated that narrative (in great emotion) that China is going to come to Trump on their knees, because China is nothing compared to the great Goliath of the United States financial sector.
A mountain of paper…
… is still just a mountain of paper.
It means nothing unless you do something with it. And from the looks of the United States today… one big Bangladesh-style ghetto… nothing of value has been, is current, and is not planned to ever be done to benefit the peasants inside the American gulag.
Ah. I’m a simple fella.
As long as my coffee costs less that 25 cents, and a two egg breakfast with grits, buttered toast and orange juice is less than a dollar… all is good.
Until that day returns, I’m just gonna stay here in China. Thank you very much.

Posted by: Rufus Arrrr | Apr 22 2025 6:58 utc | 143

Re: I expected the wheels to fall off years ago ?
Indeed, those of us raised by depression era elders; recognized the warning signs long ago. Suspect both you and I already set ourselves up for hard times. Living below one‘s means has its own rewards.
Fortunately – my adult children also are frugal and debt free. So also on that end, not worried.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 22 2025 7:06 utc | 144

Posted by: William | Apr 22 2025 3:39 utc | 120
Yes, the US ramming itself into the ROW is like a patient taking chemotherapy for cancer.
The US is prepared to tolerate real hardship and real pain in the hope that the ROW’s economies are broken and forced into vassalage; they cannot achieve their goals by military coercion alone.

Posted by: Saul Goode | Apr 22 2025 7:10 utc | 145

Interesting interview with Tom Luongo
https://youtu.be/KFb-rNKMk2w?si=gssn0aYNEhvbTSQF

Posted by: Down South | Apr 22 2025 7:14 utc | 146

Until that day returns, I’m just gonna stay here in China. Thank you very much.
Posted by: Rufus Arrrr | Apr 22 2025 6:58 utc | 143
Good to hear from China. Thank you. Please post more often on the situation there.

Posted by: Michael J | Apr 22 2025 8:01 utc | 147

@Rufus Arrrr | Apr 22 2025 6:58 utc | 143
Thanks for your post, very interesting.
I am personally tempted to visit China, i.e. by high speed train from Luang Prabang in Laos to Xishuangbanna in the Chinese Yunnan province, and possibly further to Kunming. We shall see if this idea becomes reality, I hope so. My understanding is that I will not require a visa to do so.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 22 2025 8:11 utc | 148

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Apr 21 2025 21:10 utc | 48
Exactly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1aFnl-x_3M&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fsteelcityscribblings.uk%2F
“The final stages of capitalism, Karl Marx wrote, will be marked by developments intimately familiar. Unable to expand, and generate profits at past levels, the capitalist system will begin to consume the structures that sustain it. In the name of austerity and government efficiency it will prey on the working class and the poor, driving them ever deeper into debt and poverty and diminishing the capacity of the state to serve the needs of ordinary citizens. It will increasingly relocate jobs, including both manufacturing and professional positions, to countries with cheap pools of labor.
Industries will mechanize their workplaces to trigger an economic assault on not only the working class but the middle class – bulwark of a capitalist system – initially disguised by the imposition of massive personal debt as incomes decline or remain stagnant.
Politics in late stage capitalism will become subordinate to economics, leading to political parties hollowed out of any real political content, and abjectly subservient to the dictates of corporations and oligarchs. But as Marx foretold, there is a limit to an economy built on the scaffolding of debt expansion. There comes a moment, he warned, when no new markets are available, and no new pools of people who can take on more debt. Capitalism will then turn on the so-called free market itself, along with the values and traditions it claims to defend. It will in its final stages pillage the systems and structures that make capital possible. As it causes widespread suffering it will resort to harsher forms of oppression, and attempt in a frantic last stand to maintain profits by looting state institutions in contradiction of its avowed nature. The final stage of capitalism, Marx grasped, is not capitalism at all.”
– Rev. Chris Hedges

Posted by: Dave Hansell | Apr 22 2025 8:16 utc | 149

Posted by: aye, myself & me | Apr 22 2025 6:04 utc | 134
Thanks for your comments and references. I offered my comments in good faith readers will have to work it out for themselves as usual. There are many ways to ‘slice this’ nuances and context matters which is too hard time consuming via text based discussion forums to be clear enough to be on the same page. Time will tell no doubt what unfolds from here-and that news will undoubtedly be distorted as always-lies statistics and all. There will never be agreement on anything. Not anymore. Not among the plebs nor the ruling classes.
The US is prepared to tolerate real hardship and real pain in the hope that the ROW’s economies are broken and forced into vassalage; they cannot achieve their goals by military coercion alone.
Posted by: Saul Goode | Apr 22 2025 7:10 utc | 145
Thank you for putting it so succinctly the intent being conveyed of my short summary missive.

Posted by: William | Apr 22 2025 9:03 utc | 150

@ Posted by: Dave Hansell | Apr 21 2025 19:19 utc | 11
@ Posted by: Dave Hansell | Apr 22 2025 8:16 utc | 149
Yes to both. And thank you for the indi.ca link — that is priceless!

Posted by: Clever Dog | Apr 22 2025 9:11 utc | 151

Until that day returns, I’m just gonna stay here in China. Thank you very much.
Posted by: Rufus Arrrr | Apr 22 2025 6:58 utc | 143
Curious if a non-Chinese speaker ex-pat can live and survive in China, say relying on translation apps vs the luck of having a Chinese partner.
If anyone knows for sources of info on potential (funds required/yearly cost of living humbly) of relocating to China as retired ex-pat long term, please do share.

Posted by: William | Apr 22 2025 9:12 utc | 152

Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | Apr 22 2025 0:41 utc | 104
Ok so it’s official. You’re a dumbfuck. Kindly go suck Trump’s tiny cock elsewhere or try articulating a real point for a change.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 22 2025 10:22 utc | 153

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 22 2025 4:26 utc | 124
I think there’s something very “off” about the notion “China has control of its population” – strikes me as a very western misreading of the Chinese condition and reality of whom is represented by the Chinese government.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 22 2025 10:26 utc | 154

Norwegian @148:

I am personally tempted to visit China, i.e. by high speed train from Luang Prabang in Laos to Xishuangbanna in the Chinese Yunnan province, and possibly further to Kunming. We shall see if this idea becomes reality, I hope so. My understanding is that I will not require a visa to do so.

Ah! The “slow paced” side of China! Not that any place in China is really a quiet backwater anymore, but Kunming had less of the frenetic energy of a city racing into the future when I was there. More of a measured and stately pace suitable for an old guy like me. Of course, if you skip places like Shenzhen and Chongqing and Qingdao then you miss out on the visceral thrill of progress on amphetamines… that feeling of having been catapulted a hundred years into the future. If you are young enough to appreciate that, then it is not to be missed.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 22 2025 11:19 utc | 155

@Rufus Arrrr | Apr 22 2025 6:58 utc | 143

Hey! A flight to China is CHEAP. And China is visa-free for many nations, including the United States. ( believe it is a three day “buy all you can carry” program. Just call your boss, tell him that you’ll be at home for a few days to deal with “personal issues”, and fly to China.

Thanks for the info. My understanding is that the visa-free transit policy is that one can stay in designated cities/regions for up to 72/144 hours if one has the flight proof that he/she has China as a transit stop. For example, one can stay in Shanghai and nearby areas up to 144 hours if his/her flight reservation is like LAX -> PVG -> SIN. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
Additional info about this visa-free transit policy is available from this Chinese official site.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Apr 22 2025 11:36 utc | 156

@LuRenJia | Apr 22 2025 11:36 utc | 156
**Addendum**
The additional info link about China’s visa-free transit policy includes both Chinese and English versions. Scroll down for the English version.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Apr 22 2025 11:40 utc | 157

Posted by: George | Apr 22 2025 0:47 utc | 108
With all those collected underpants worn over pants the “superman” claims get some credibility.

Posted by: Sekava Seppo | Apr 22 2025 11:54 utc | 158

@William Gruff | Apr 22 2025 11:19 utc | 155
Thanks for the feedback on the “slow paced” side of China. I suppose that is a relative term, but it sounds like something I would prefer rather than the more frenetic places like Shenzhen. I am not 20 anymore…
The idea would be to use Thailand as a starting point as well as an end point for such a China visit, plus combine it with visiting the old city of Luang Prabang in Laos on the banks of the Mekong river. China has built high speed train via Luang Prabang all the way down to Vientiane, eventually it will reach Bangkok, Thailand + access to a deep port there. BRI, you know.
So either a plane from Bangkok to Luang Prabang, or even overland from the Thai province of Nan, the second option is a bit much perhaps. Anyway, the fast train from Luang Prabang to Boten on the border and then to Xishuangbanna and possibly Kunming. Return the same way. It would be just a small taste of China, but I am guessing it would be enough impressions to consume anyway.
We shall see if the dream comes true. Anyway, thanks for your input!

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 22 2025 11:55 utc | 159

Norwegian @159
Yeah, “slow paced” is relative. Sounds like there will be lots to keep someone with anthropology and local culture interests busy on that route., though. I never made it to Laos when I was in the region, and I wish I had.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 22 2025 12:27 utc | 160

Target and Walmart CEOs are in Mar A Lago discussing their exemption from import tariffs.
https://x.com/StealthQE4/status/1914661367103029359

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 22 2025 12:47 utc | 161

Target and Walmart CEOs are in Mar A Lago discussing their exemption from import tariffs.
https://x.com/StealthQE4/status/1914661367103029359

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 22 2025 12:47 utc | 162

@154 Tom
“The sage empties the peoples’ minds and fills their bellies.”
“When the way prevails in the empire, the people dare not act.”
~Tao Te Ching

The word “control” has a bad connotation in the west. In the east, otherwise. Or rather, no such word exists. Only the idea of making the people graze happily.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 22 2025 12:59 utc | 163

Given my own frequent references to the sometimes brilliant, oft-scatological satire of South Park (for example the election between Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich) I am greatly pleased to see b turn to the dark side. It also happens to be an effective metaphor for the lack of planning evident from the new Maerican administration. I guess they thought bluster and bullshit would carry them through.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 22 2025 13:10 utc | 164

1. Impose tariffs,
2. Reindustrialize (20 years); forget Wallstreet,
3. Profit

Posted by: António Ferrão | Apr 22 2025 13:17 utc | 165

This has probably been in the works since the fall of the USSR. The US empire had incurred massive military spending deficits, coupled with Financial deregulation and massive tax cuts to the rich, all which in combination seemed virtually designed to crash the economy, particularly through the Financialization of the same. Then 2008 arrived, and that was signal it was all over. However during the same time new bogeyman conveniently appeared to replace the specter of Soviet Communism, namely 9/11, LGBTQ (with emphasis on trans), and mass “Global South” immigration to EU and US, much of it generated by US imperial interventions in Middle East and Latin America.
Planned and/or organic, oligarchy couldn’t let any of those crises go to waste, so it uses them not only to preserve politico-economic power, but indeed to increase and consolidate it, while reducing democracy, especially in the US, to “culture war” issues, about which that same oligarchy genuinely cares little about. Obviously, no matter who’s POTUS, he works for oligarchic empire, which means he must meddle in Latin America, ME, Asia, wherever (but perforce in the Americas) and likewise, as far as internal US politics are concerned, he must treat the US masses as subjugated people, whose democratic potential to change their position vis a vis oligarchy must be curtailed as much as possible by hook or by crook (by corralling the majority of voters into a horizon that consists predominantly of culture war issues and that consists at best of a completely warped “understanding” of the macroeconomic reality in which they’re living). This is assuming that American presidential primaries and such elections tout court are authentic and legitimate at all.
If Trump is successful such success would mean what exactly, other than creating an enduring geist, regardless of which party gets elected after him, where the model of relation between people and government and government and plutocracy is modelled after the American South? To wit, one perpetually darkened by the pall of oligarchic corruption, deference to the same, corralling of voters to principally culture war concerns and bogeyman, and re-energized racism and misogyny, which is to say classism against themselves in disguise.

Posted by: Ludovic | Apr 22 2025 13:27 utc | 166

An unlikely ally…
As the thread discusses the ??? Before profit might as well mention something significant in one of the two battles that I consider central for the first half of the XXIst century. Information control vs information unbound.
https://futurism.com/meta-copyrighted-books-no-value
As we add that if the ???? Might also include an uncoupling where one side disregards the other (IP included) we might be going there and the AI giants a bizarre and unlikely ally

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 22 2025 13:50 utc | 167

I shall pour some water on the new Chinese explosives discussion.
Waving around “non-nuclear nuclear bombs” in a thread/t is just nonsene. Metastable Intermolecular Composites “are composed of a fuel and oxidizer both with nanometer sizes”. The Chinese stuff is made from magnesium hydride plus some amount of oxygen. The hydrogen acts as the primary energy stored. In other words, there is nothing but a cleverly designed combustion process going on.
When it says that the explosions are very large, then this is a relative statement relating to less refined forms of combustion. It has a bit more energy, and the resultant flame ball radius is a bit larger, and the heatwave lasts a bit longer, but all this as currently reported on about a factor of 2 over classic explosives. The upper limit is in the respective thermal values of the chemicals in the bomb. It has nothing to do with fission or fusion, and the available energy is nowhere close to these types of reaction.

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 22 2025 13:55 utc | 168

Rules have long since let financial markets. Free money, record rate cuts, rate increases, AI/algo trades. While anyone worth their salt has become richer in the last 15+ years, it is still an illogical shitshow.

Posted by: Sal | Apr 22 2025 14:04 utc | 169

Posted by: António Ferrão | Apr 22 2025 13:17 utc | 165
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America will not industrialize until private equity is leashed.
Trump is aiming to do the opposite.
Every day America is falling behind the ROW when it comes to education and infrastructure.
They can blame others but their own inaction domestically is entirely on them.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 14:09 utc | 170

Norwegian@142…. Brenden the Navigator….Irish fellow, and his small crew, sailed to N America around 340ad…..in a Curragh.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 22 2025 14:15 utc | 171

Posted by: alek_a | Apr 21 2025 22:18 utc | 70
[after] the trade balance evens out you can negotiate. .
<=the trade balance is defined by the relative strengths of the nation states that are involved with trade.. Its the in-fighting of the oligarch defined nation state system that has caused this so called TRADE IMBALANCE and the failures of nation states to implement resource recycling.. what would happen if there were no artificial or gangland imposed trade barriers, no monopoly creating intangible property rights, no armed governments, no government-private partnerships, no limit on, or competition associated to access to natural resources (natural resources would be public goods)? What makes this open access open source access to technology and natural resources model impossible to implement is the Oligarch controlled nation state system. It is a system that has crippled the world. The controls attributable to a particular nation state can be found anywhere in the world. They include patents, copyrights, tariffs, customs, and other state created monopoly powers all designed and used to hinder or impose free trade in order to protect the interest of a few. . The nation state system will never allow true Free invention, free development, or free trade. Collapse the Nation state network of Oligarch controlled governments and impose shared ownership of all resources and all technology worldwide and you will see a peaceful world. War is about restraint or its opposite access. The function of government would be reduced to maintaining everyone's competitive freedoms. Currency would no longer be important anything could function as money. Government authority would be limited to protecting everyone's right to access the resources and the knowledge needed to produce and to be competitive. The American declaration of independence called it the pursuit of happiness. Make the end users of natural resources capture and recycle them to the global stock piles. The problem is 200 nations are competing to impose their own set of trade barriers and access controls over raw materials that exist within their respective defined territorial boundaries. Division of the world population into citizens of a nation state as well as containment of natural resources within those divisions accounts for the tension that bring about war. I believe War can only be eliminated and modern life can be extended to everyone, only if, government has no authority to regulate anything outside of crimes against persons such as murder, personal injury, kidnap, rape, theft, bribery and extortion.

Posted by: snake | Apr 22 2025 14:21 utc | 172

Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | Apr 22 2025 0:41 utc | 104

I have to say you seem to be very loudly and very desperately asserting your incredibly inane worldview against all available evidence. How long before the walls of your reality crack under the strain of so many logical contradictions? I for one, find your tribalism and simplistic understanding of complex forces fascinating. It’s like a microcosm of why Maerica is fucked. The worst thing about the internet is it made everyone think their opinions have value, when nothing could be further from the truth.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 22 2025 14:23 utc | 173

The Trump Administration Team, Trump himself and his Billionaire MIC / Intel backers know exactly what they are doing and why, and why it is going to work for them as planned.
This article and comments section here, and all over the world, is replete with people who do not and never will.
Why does anyone still listen to them?
Posted by: William | Apr 22 2025 2:25 utc | 113

The same intel agencies and billionaires who planned the Ukraine war that you’re trying to pretend or apparently forgetting the US instigated and lost? You know, Russia being a gas station with nukes?
Seems more that America is a reality show with nukes. What happens when people tune out?
Ah, the savior complex of a political cultist. You don’t need to know what they’re doing, you just have faith in your saviors. Seems risky but what do I know?

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 22 2025 14:31 utc | 174

4 years of Trump, then 4 years of bloodthirsty dead man walking Biden, and now again 4 years of Trump, the question is whether USA will be there after these 4 years?

Posted by: ostrr | Apr 22 2025 14:42 utc | 175

1) Collect underpants,
2) Bullshit liberally in them,
3) Profit from having a spare pair handy to back out of the mess.

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 22 2025 14:46 utc | 176

It has nothing to do with fission or fusion, and the available energy is nowhere close to these types of reaction.
Posted by: persiflo | Apr 22 2025 13:55 utc | 168
Said as much in another thread, and you mentioned twice regular HE but not really true, it’s only much hotter , much longer, but half the radius. The SCMP article is quite clear. But passing from prodction in the grams range to kilotons per year is significant for all uses.
Even my comparisson with thermobarics was off as there should be a much smaller pressure effect. Enhanced thermite is a better image.
————————
This is no ‘gambit’. There’s no winning outcome here:
What the Americans are doing is committing suicide and taking the entire West with them.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 22 2025 0:42 utc | 105
That is what I meant by option 2, but there are all the others and all bets are off, sorry but the current and end result are still highly
———————–
As a side note, will trump impose 1000% tariffs on vatican if they don’t choose an american pope?
And if they go for tagle that has leaned china, 1.000.000% or secondary tariffs on countries that don’t expel all catholic bishops?

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 22 2025 14:52 utc | 177

US Imperial Economic and Military Power overwhelms Russia-China and Global South power by orders of magnitude.
Posted by: William | Apr 22 2025 3:39 utc | 120

Emphasis mine. If you actually believe that the US ‘military power’ could ‘overwhelm’ Russia and China, let alone the rest of the world, I dont think there is any basis for further discussion. That’s utter fantasy by someone living in a fantasy 1995. If the Maericans invent a time machine we’re in trouble, otherwise there is no reality where US power does anything but continue to decline relative to the world. American military technology is quite frankly outdated, heavily overcosted and the officer class are peacocks who have failed upwards their whole lives. These problems are entering failure cascade status, passing the event horizon.
Magical thinking is a problem for many Americans raised on a diet of exceptionalism and contradictions from birth.’Bombing a village to save it’ comes to mind, or the repeated humiliation of their military when fighting third world nations, the loss in Vietnam that was rebranded as ‘not really’ a loss and even if it was a loss it was the medias fault, and on and on. Glorious indeed.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 22 2025 15:19 utc | 178

🇺🇸The U.S. has imposed record-high duties on solar panels from Southeast Asia, with imports totaling $12.9 billion last year, Bloomberg reports.
Cambodia faces the highest tariff at 3,521%, followed by Malaysia at 34.4%, Vietnam at 395.9%, and Thailand at 375.2%.
The tariffs stem from a trade investigation revealing that these countries were dumping panels in the U.S. at below-market prices, with Asian manufacturers benefiting from government subsidies.
There are concerns that the increased tariffs could harm U.S. businesses reliant on these imports.

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/40064
I see US empty shelves in the future.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 22 2025 15:21 utc | 179

Markets need rules? Like i said, stick to geopolitics. You aren’t good at much else. Markets don’t need rules, they don’t have any now. Price discovery doesn’t exist and hasn’t since 2008. What was the market at the end of 2019 and where was the market at the end of 2024? You don’t know, and you have no idea why it goes up, but yet you comment on it. The market ended 2019 around 21k and ended 2024 around 45k, why? I’ll give you a hint, it had to do with 2020, which you were 100% wrong about also.

Posted by: Mr. House | Apr 22 2025 15:27 utc | 180

below-market prices
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 22 2025 15:21 utc | 179

LOL!

Posted by: too scents | Apr 22 2025 15:27 utc | 181

This ‘Trade War’ started decades ago, but thanks to globalist stooges like Bill Clinton (we dont need steel plants in the US) and four other Presidents the US has lost huge ground……12 million lost manufacturing jobs in 25 years!!
And yes 25% tariffs on Canadian, EU and Chinese steel and aluminum products are completely justified…..the Great Lakes industrial region of the US has been destroyed by horrendously bad trade policy…….ask the folks in South Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, Youngstown, Pittsburgh, Bethlehem, Lackawanna, Dunkirk, Homestead, Duluth, Cheboygan, and Erie how they feel about the globalist elites who could care less about their heavy industry jobs……..
DJT is on the right path here, defending US jobs and US towns……………

Posted by: tobias cole | Apr 22 2025 15:53 utc | 182

Canton fair.
The contrast between the wealth level reflected in technology manufacturing and facilitation between China and any other nation is Stark. High speed train takes you anywhere in China to any one of its booming cities.
A incredible display of products and technology stunning the world with their availability.
Except the USA.
They
have
cut
themselves
off
from
supply
Those that are ok with the USA shake their head.
Those that dislike the USA smile.
In the meantime the world gets on with business.
Except the USA.
They took there ball (dollar) and went home to sulk.
The game doesn’t care at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrP-ZhzMK_4

Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 22 2025 16:01 utc | 183

2. Make a lot of noise and tell everyone to be scared because self-proclaimed ‘Superman’ Trump has been elected.
3.?
Posted by: George | Apr 22 2025 0:47 utc | 108
Like in every superman movies dude :
3. Make Underpants Overpants Again !
It’s a change compared to Joe’s diapers … but not sure it’s a change for the best.

Posted by: Savonarole | Apr 22 2025 16:11 utc | 184

lol…so predictable …
“According to one anonymous guy who wasn’t in the meetings and has no position in the government, here is the negative story we want you to fully swallow. He’s a ‘CEO,’ so it adds legitimacy to our propaganda.”

Posted by: CullenBaker | Apr 22 2025 16:12 utc | 185

I am enjoying the criticism and responses to the tariffs from Asia.
If there was any plan to unite Asia against China, that ship never left port.
Cambodia, Vietnam, Malaysia, etc, are all holding tighter to China than 3 months ago.
Even Japan is pushing back, which is remarkable since, like South Korea, they are occupied by the American military.
Trump will never admit defeat, but what he says becomes less important by the day. I think objective observers accept that he lies relentlessly.
I listened to an analysis of the Chinese holdings of US securities and Treasury Secretary Bessent’s take on them.
He’s supposedly a smart guy, but he totally has no clue what China has been doing to slowly drain their US$ holdings without taking a loss, but rather, increasing their trade clout. The Chinese have essentially created a parallel dollar economy in foreign trade, an economy that they 100% control, and where they issue US$-denominated bonds.
It’s dollars, but it could be marbles or tiddlywinks. Chinese strategic ingenuity is really something.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 16:27 utc | 186

The IMF is having its Spring Meeting right now in D.C.
It has already slashed 2025 U.S. growth forecasts to 1.8% from 2.7%, citing “tariff tensions.”

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 22 2025 16:44 utc | 187

🇺🇸🇨🇳 US Treasury Secretary Bessent says the tariff war with China is unsustainable and he expects de-escalation.

Trump blinks again. And again. And again.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 16:46 utc | 188

I see US empty shelves in the future.
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 22 2025 15:21 utc | 179
Followed by aid containers labeled in Cyrillic and Mandarine.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Apr 22 2025 16:50 utc | 189

“DJT is on the right path here, defending US jobs and US towns……………”
I wonder why Somalia doesnt have a booming economy?
lots of demand.
Mostly domestic.
Why doesn’t facilitation manifest to create supply domestically?
Nations other than China competing with the USA get to utilize China inexpensive Chinese tooling.
Of course they will need to be have heavy tarrifs.
Where will the tooling come from for the fictional USA manufacturing? There is only one source. China. 240% more to facilitate in the USA.
Capital is international. Tripling facilitation expenses will create capital for USA facilitation? There was no motive to facilitate before but tripling facilitation expenses will create motive to facilitate? Where will the skilled workforce come from?
Ccreating manufacturing is a PROCESS. You engage in a PROCESS to create it. ironically the tarrifs regard manufacturing as a product that can just be purchased like the imported goods.
its very simple. the USA is cut out of world trade. The USA chose to leave world trade. No one cares. But anyone living in the USA will care. REAL SOON. What comes in gets consumed. shelves go empty.Tarrif bypasses will raise cost of what comes in.
And it al depends on dollar demand. which is a function as a world settlement mechanism. The Tarrifs force elimination of the dollar,
Unprofitable franchise. Energy consumption per capita too high. Franchise is being shut down. chinaa got the tap on the shoulder as the profitable franchise a long time ago. Trump is doing what he has always done. Shut down failed franchises and loot the carcass.
Sacrificing to get ahead is a good thing. Thats how the tarrifs are marketed. Thats not what this is. Sacrificing to get ahead requires adressing reality. addressing the reserve currency distortion. Working toward that would have been a good thing. It wouldrequire starting the process of competition. The process can not even start with the reserve currency curse. That would be the start of sacrificing to get ahead. No one is really willing to sacrifice to get ahead. So a fake sacrifice to get ahead is offered. This is closing a franchise with high overhead. The people calling the shots made this deciscion long long ago. As things fall apart it will be billed as sacrifice to get ahead as the franchise gets closed down. When the smoke clears the dollar will be gone as a world reserve currency but there will be no organic economy to replace it. Energy consumption per capita will fall in the USA yes it will. NONE OF THESE THINGS CREATE A HEALTHY ORGANIC ECONOMY.
Cooperation is the key to success in the world we live in. Really what is being billed a hybrid economy where aspects of the reserve currency are sustained but a organic economy is also present would be bsolutely neccesay for a USA transition to reality. thats not what is happening and not what is desired. Whats desired is the end of the dollar and the end of the USAs energy consumption via the dollar right now. Cold turkey.

Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 22 2025 16:52 utc | 190

Wait until you start seeing the PRC taking retaliatory sanctions against members of the Outlaw US of A congress and other officials as well as extremist and nefearious western NGOs for interfering in PRC’s internal affairs deemed sacrosanct.

Posted by: pepe | Apr 22 2025 16:52 utc | 191

@ Norwegian
>> Do any US Americans not descending from Norwegians have any idea, inclination or insight ow why they left?
Did they find it inhabited and then decide they lacked the capability to invade and occupy?
Or another reason? Please do tell.

Posted by: I forgot | Apr 22 2025 16:54 utc | 192

LoveDonbass wrote: “Please, Trump, people cannot handle this much winning!”
Yes. Consider the number of companies that, thanks largely to Trump’s controversial tariff policies, have pledged to invest huge amounts of capital in manufacturing in the USA:
1. Apple: Announced a $500 billion investment in US facilities, including a new factory in Texas for AI servers and the expansion of R&D centers.
2. Johnson & Johnson: Increased its US investment to over $55 billion.
3. TSMC: Expanded its US investment to $165 billion for AI advancements.
4. Roche: Committed $50 billion to US drug and diagnostics manufacturing.
5. Nvidia: Pledged to invest hundreds of billions of dollars in U.S.-based manufacturing over the next four years.
6. Eli Lilly: Doubled its US manufacturing investment.
7. GE Aerospace: Invested nearly $1 billion in U.S. manufacturing.
8. Hyundai Motor: Committed $21 billion to investing in domestic manufacturing from 2025 to 2028, including $9 billion for expanding domestic automobile production to 1.2 million vehicles a year.
* * *
No, we’re not tired of winning yet.

Posted by: Stine | Apr 22 2025 16:58 utc | 193

The RUF real GDP growth rate is projected at 2.5% this year, 2.4% in 2026, 2.8% in 2027 and 2028, respectively.

Posted by: pepe | Apr 22 2025 17:01 utc | 194

The Chinese government has ordered Chinese companies to cancel orders from US firms.
The Chinese have so many cards to play.
The other day, China returned a completed Boeing plane to America because it no longer wanted to buy anything American and payment was not complete.
What little industry the US still has may be wiped out if other countries join in.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 17:02 utc | 195

Posted by: Stine | Apr 22 2025 16:58 utc | 193
#######
Promises are not payments.
Anyone who has been in business knows that. Promises are what insolvent parties always offer under duress (or in Trump’s case threat).
The Arabs promised trillions in investment, but if Iran blocks the Strait of Hormuz, that money will not be spent.
Btw, TSMC continues to post massive losses year-over-year on its US operation in Arizona.
Losing money is only sustainable if the dollar is strong. The dollar, IIRC, is at its weakest in several years, and there are no signs of that trend arresting.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 17:13 utc | 196

“Wait until you start seeing the PRC taking retaliatory sanctions against members of the Outlaw US of A congress and other officials as well as extremist and nefearious western NGOs for interfering in PRC’s internal affairs deemed sacrosanct.
Posted by: pepe | Apr 22 2025 16:52 utc | 191”
China doesnt have to do nothing. The same people that gave China its start are closing the USA. China took the opportunity and made what it has with a ton of hard work. There are signs that PRC is more autonomous than the previous chosen one. We will see.

Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 22 2025 17:13 utc | 197

pledged to invest huge amounts
Posted by: Stine | Apr 22 2025 16:58 utc | 193

Flapjaw hokum.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 22 2025 17:19 utc | 198

This tariff war has become a game of chicken.
Trump and Xi will take it as far as it can go.
If that happens, America will be destroyed.
China has more trade partners and more resources, with a military to defend them.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 22 2025 17:25 utc | 199

The bar may want to acquaint themselves with Rufus’ blog/website as well.
https://metallicman.com/

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Apr 22 2025 17:26 utc | 200