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April 24, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-088

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

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“Hundreds of israelis march for palestinian children” (source: Middle East eye)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zMzsRLO-Mtw (1 minute)
This was in Tel Aviv which is on different planet than e.g. the West Bank.
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“Israel is ‘on the road to fascism’, warns Israeli historian Avi Shlaim”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8hVWbOWR-o (5 minutes)

Posted by: WMG | Apr 27 2025 5:05 utc | 201

Ornot | Apr 27 2025 0:21 utc | 191
Ammonium Perchlorate is usually used for solid rocket fuel but according to the article you linked the Sodium Perchlorate alleged to be supplied by China via the port can be converted into Ammonium Perchlorate. I’m no expert in chemistry, but you would assume it would be easier to synthesize the Perchlorate rather than use Sodium Perchlorate as a precursor (it’s just Chlorine and Oxygen after all)? Perhaps just a stick to beat both Iran and China? There were reports of orange smoke before the explosion, would that be consistent with Sodium Perchlorate?
We know the Israelis are seeking to target Iran’s solid fuel rocket program, claiming to have struck facilities used to mix the Perchlorate oxidizer with the Polybutadiene and powdered Aluminum fuel. It’s unlikely they could’ve done much damage from afar with air-launched ballistic missiles as the mixers are widely dispersed so that an accidental explosion in one cannot spread to the others on the site. One exploded recently at a US solid fuel facility recently, there’s spectacular footage online of these kind of explosions. So each mixer would require one expensive ALBM to destroy the facilities.
Going after the precursor chemicals might be an alternative approach?

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Apr 27 2025 5:28 utc | 202

@S.P. Korolev || 203
I clearly saw orange smoke in the video I linked above, which also shows that the big conflagration was not an outright explosion but preceded by a few seconds of erupting flash.

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 27 2025 5:37 utc | 203

Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 27 2025 3:38 utc | 201
Bingo.
I’ll raise you one further:
When your allies politely ask you not to arm yourself with the one weapon that will guarantee your ability to act and offer you “conventional” weapons instead.
And they send you lots of cool toys and weapons with experts to “train” you, as a placebo, to make sure you never get those weapons.
And you develop an even deeper form of Learned Helplessness because you’ve now put the only means of true defense in the hands of others – others who themselves would never relinquish their nuclear weapons.
On top of it all, your paramount leader neuters the nation with a “fatwa” because he believes Desert Sky Daddy is going to defend him when American tomahawks start flying into Persian mosques.
And all these things are the opposite of what the Zionists do.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 27 2025 6:07 utc | 204

persiflo | Apr 27 2025 5:37 utc | 204
AFAIK Red/Orange smoke is characteristic of Nitrogen compounds. US missile crews working on the Titan II & III programs referred to the “BFRC” (Big F’n Red Cloud) resulting from the ignition of the Nitrogen-based liquid propellants. I usually think of solid fuel rocket exhaust as being bright white, remember the Challenger’s solid rocket boosters cartwheeling across the Florida sky?
Ammonia is a Nitrogen compound however, and the Beirut explosion had quite an orange hue. I’m not sure if an explosion involving Ammonium Perchlorate would produce orange smoke, but it could just be Beirut-style sabotage of insufficiently guarded Ammonium Nitrate.

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Apr 27 2025 6:41 utc | 205

@S.P. Korolev || 206
I’m really out of my depth with this, but will say I also assumed a sabotage operation of precursor chemicals. Beirut may or may not be a good comparison.

Posted by: persiflo | Apr 27 2025 7:23 utc | 206

lmao
see the 13-second video at the link
the video-clip is from a courtroom scene where the lawyer character played by Al Pacino shouts: “My client should go right to fucking jail! The son of a bitch is guilty! That man there, that man is a slime.”
https://x.com/CensoredMen/status/1744397174039773398
Censored Men @CensoredMen
🇮🇱 Me if I represented Israel at the International Court of Justice:

Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 27 2025 7:55 utc | 207

https://x.com/Yemenimilitary/status/1916181339478618424
Yemen Military 🇾🇪 @Yemenimilitary
The Yemeni Armed Forces carried out several military operations during the past 12 hours:
1. Targeting Nevatim Airbase in the Negev, northern occupied Palestine.
2. Targeting a military site in occupied Jaffa.
3. Targeting a military site in occupied Ashkelon.
4. Conducting a joint operation targeting disabled aircraft carriers and their accompanying warships in the northern Red Sea.
Our Yemeni Armed Forces continue to strongly support the oppressed Palestinian people and their resistance fighters, and to confront the American aggression against our country. We will never abandon Gaza, no matter the cost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVOyeKd7tt0
Yemen Strikes Nevatim Base AGAIN | “They’re LYING About USS Harry S Truman”
Mahmood OD | محمود عودة
121K subscribers

Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 27 2025 8:05 utc | 208

Re: Iran – US negotiations
Pleased to see that the U.S. negotiators seem open to a quid pro quo on Nukes and Bioweapons. Namely, USA gives up theirs and Iran does same.
/s

Posted by: Exile | Apr 27 2025 9:27 utc | 209

Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 27 2025 7:55 utc | 208
Thanks for that. So true, they surely deserve it if the world was a saner place.

Posted by: Silent Waves | Apr 27 2025 9:39 utc | 210

Peter Cronau
@PeterCronau
US Signal Corps intelligence analyst with top secret security clearance — revealed Top Secret military intelligence before he died: US Special Forces are fighting in Gaza.
“One of the things he told me is the US military was involved in the genocides going on in Palestine — that we had troops on the ground, that were killing large numbers of Palestinians.”
https://x.com/PeterCronau/status/1763321251408535679
💧Mary Kostakidis
@MaryKostakidis
Bushnell’s job it seems was in intelligence and perhaps he chose self immolation in preference to spending the rest of his days in solitary confinement., along with other whistleblowers. He chose impact.
“He told me [a close friend] on Saturday that we have troops in those tunnels, that it’s US soldiers participating in the killings.
His actual job involves the processing of intelligence data. Some of what he was processing had to do with the Israeli Gaza conflict.
One of the things he told me is that coming across his desk … was the US military was involved in the genocides going on in Palestine.
He told me that we had troops on the ground, you know, that were there and were killing large numbers of Palestinians.
“…I can tell you that the tone of his voice just had something in it that told me he was scared,’’ the buddy said. “I’ve never heard that tone come out of him.”
…Bushnell claimed he was imparting top secret information to his pal.’
https://x.com/MaryKostakidis/status/1763168744615129211

Posted by: Menz | Apr 27 2025 9:44 utc | 211

The inference here is that the USA is looking to kill more civilians:
Pete Hegseth Is Gutting Pentagon Programs to Reduce Civilian Casualties
The defense secretary’s focus on “lethality” could lead to “wanton killing and wholesale destruction and disregard for law,” one Pentagon official said.
Nick Turse
April 15 2025, 7:00 a.m.
The Pentagon had been slowly dedicating more resources to killing fewer civilians in recent years, following a long drumbeat of damning investigations of civilian casualties by the press, nongovernmental organizations, government-supported think tanks, and even the U.S. military itself.
But now, under the control of Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, the Department of Defense is reversing course.
The Intercept spoke with five current and former Defense Department officials familiar with its Civilian Harm Mitigation and Response, or CHMR, efforts, who say that the Pentagon is in the process of eliminating or downsizing offices, programs, and positions focused on preventing civilian casualties during U.S. combat operations.
On the chopping block are the Civilian Harm Mitigation and Response office, which handles policies that reduce dangers to noncombatants, and the Civilian Protection Center of Excellence, which is focused on training and tools for preventing civilian casualties.
The Army also recently announced it will make law of war training — which covers basic battlefield ethics, prohibited acts, and rules of engagement — optional, in an effort to remove “unnecessary distractions” and increase focus on “decisive action in combat.”
This comes as Hegseth trumpets an overwhelming emphasis on “lethality” and cuts to programs that run afoul of Trump administration priorities. Hegseth also reportedly plans to overhaul the entire JAG Corps, which is essential to ensuring adherence to the rule of law and upholding the Uniform Code of Military Justice, after firing the judge advocates general of the Army, Navy, and Air Force.
Trump has also rolled back constraints on American commanders to authorize airstrikes and Special Operations raids outside conventional battlefields, broadening the range of people who can be targeted. After Trump relaxed targeting principles during his first term, attacks and reports of civilian casualties in war zones like Somalia and Yemen spiked.
“There is an overt and ongoing effort to completely shut the Center down and to remove CHMR across all the commands,” said Wes Bryant, who until recently served as the chief of civilian harm assessments and senior analyst and adviser on precision warfare, targeting, and civilian harm mitigation at the Pentagon’s Civilian Protection Center of Excellence. “Basically, they are wiping DoD of anything related to Civilian Harm Mitigation and Response.”
MORE…
https://theintercept.com/2025/04/15/pete-hegseth-pentagon-civilian-casualties-harm/

Posted by: Menz | Apr 27 2025 9:51 utc | 212

The Resonance
@Partisan_12
“If you are in support of Pal€stine, then you are breaching conditions & you can be arrested.”
“& if we are in support of 1$rael, we can stay?”
“Yes, Yes”
https://x.com/Partisan_12/status/1916169651828232473

Posted by: Menz | Apr 27 2025 9:57 utc | 213

The Resonance
@Partisan_12
American Singer Jesse Welles with a Surprise Subway Song on Pal€stine
https://x.com/Partisan_12/status/1916185256215843088

Posted by: Menz | Apr 27 2025 9:58 utc | 214

Drop Site
@DropSiteNews
🟢 Statement By Hamas:
A Hamas leadership delegation, headed by Mujahid Muhammad Darwish, Chairman of the Movement’s Leadership Council, and including the remaining members of the Council, left the Egyptian capital, Cairo, on Saturday evening after holding intensive talks and consultations with Egyptian officials. These discussions addressed the efforts being made to achieve a ceasefire and end the aggressive war against our Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip, as well as all related issues.
The delegation presented the movement’s vision for reaching a comprehensive deal that achieves a ceasefire, prisoner exchange, relief, and reconstruction. It was agreed to exert further efforts and continue communication to ensure the success of these efforts.
The meeting also addressed the humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip after two months of a total blockade, with the occupation preventing the entry of aid, food, and medical supplies into the Strip. The meeting also emphasized the need for urgent action to deliver aid and meet the needs of the Strip’s citizens.
Islamic Resistance Movement – ​​Hamas
Saturday: Shawwal 28, 1446 AH
Corresponding to April 26, 2025 AD
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1916249217175097465

Posted by: Menz | Apr 27 2025 10:03 utc | 215

michaelj72 208
There are several liars talking about Palestinians leaving Gaza by force of bombing and starvation. We know their names and we are tired of listening to their lies. The one telling the truth is our prophet Muhammad , may Allah’s Peace and Blessings be upon him who said , saw, that the Palestinians would not leave their land.
Our prophet, saw, only said what he was told by Allah swt to say, and He said, in Chapter Isra of His Qur’an that anytime the Jews got too arrogant, He would raise a deadly force against them.
There are two things to remember:
The Palestinians won’t leave and the Jews will be humiliated. Everything else is pipe dream gruel of Satan.
Allah swt even today , while 2 million Palestinians survive, would accept genuine repentance if food and a state were agreed to by the addicted liars.
The Palestinians have passed their test and the Jews have Confirmed what Allah swt has told us that the Jews are a menace to the world and liars, except a tiny minority who.practice their religion.
I don’t think we will have to wait for the Jewish Messiah AS to return, for the humiliation of the Jews to begin.
As to the blasphemy of the Jews that Allah swt wants them to destroy the Muslims under their protection in order to trigger them arrival of a different Messiah to the one the West already generates as Jesus AS, what further proof do the Roman Catholics and US Evangelical Christians need to prove that the Jews are liars, than the fact that they deny that Jesus AS is the Messiah?
Are they braindead or something?

Posted by: Giyane | Apr 27 2025 10:10 utc | 216

Just reread my own post, it contains an ambiguity.
@Posted by: Otto Penn | Apr 26 2025 22:59 utc | 189
For clarification ‘murder’ should read ‘murder (Hannibal Doctrine)’

They cannot face the truth that Israel is committing Genocide
based on a lie, based on treachery and betrayal, based on the
sacrifice and murder of their citizens on October 7th.
This makes them collaborators in not just Genocide
but in betrayal against themselves.
Posted by: Otto Penn | Apr 26 2025 22:59 utc | 189

It also makes a repeat of betrayal more likely.
They have proven how willing they are to be manipulated and fooled.
Netanyahu wouldn’t have dared his LIHOP/MIHOP
if he didn’t have a subservient media, a subservient US Congress,
and a citizenry that is deeply delusional.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Apr 27 2025 11:43 utc | 217


@Posted by: Otto Penn | Apr 27 2025 11:43 utc | 218

(Continued)

And more than that, far far more than that,
it has been proven to Netanyahu that he is protected
when he commits betrayal (as he did on Oct 7th).
If he is willing to betray and sacrifice his own people
in a false-flag and get away with it, then he is certainly willing to sacrifice
American lives if and when it serves him.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Apr 27 2025 12:55 utc | 218

Then they move in for the kill.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 27 2025 0:44 utc | 194
Thanks for the reply Arch.
Better to die free, than live in vasal-dom of the empire.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 28 2025 2:49 utc | 219

Whatever Bushnell was reacting to must have happened during Biden’s presidency, as Biden was still president when Bushnell killed himself. Whatever Bushnell was reacting to I can only assume has become worse under Trump.

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 28 2025 19:09 utc | 220