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Palestine Open Thread 2025-088
News & views related to the war in Palestine …
Here is a dated post. I had predicted the obvious, that not just Gaza was a target for ethnic cleansing but the West Bank as well.
I have edited the post a bit. It could use expanding with newer information, but one thing egged me on to post this.
The West Bank is presently being demolished by the IDF and what does Abbas have to say to Hamas, (roughly) “Release the hostages, you sons of dogs!”
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NPR…jeesh…don’t get me started…Hold me back! Hold me back!
Ok, one thing, … NPR and Mossad.
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NPR Works With Mossad
Mary Louise Kelly, the anchor for ‘All Things Considered’ at NPR
worked with, or ‘shilled for’, Israel’s Mossad spy agency.
Background
There are many strong indicators that Israel let Oct 7th happen on purpose.
It was done so as to create the outrage and hate such as to draw Israelis to, as Darth Vader would say, The Dark Side, and support the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, and
predictably, this would be followed by the same treatment in the West Bank.
The strong indications of LIHOP were numerous:
Netanyahu was three months away from annexing a large portion of the West Bank,
everyone, including Hamas, knew it.
Netanyahu intentionally antagonized the Palestinians by invading and defiling the Al-Aqsa Mosque five days in a row (Oct 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th).
Israel was in possession of Hamas’ detailed plan for Oct 7th a year in advance.
Israel removed the majority of it’s forces around Gaza just prior to Oct 7th.
Mossad had humint, spys, crawling all over Gaza.
Gaza was the most watched patch of Earth by satellites.
Plus! Israel’s own intelligence officers were warning — in writing — that they believed an attack was imminent.
Israelis watching the borders of Gaza had been sounding the alert over unusual activity for weeks and months.
While invading and defiling al Aqsa Mosque, Israel relocated the Rave Party into the known danger zone just three miles from Gaza and on the route to a prime Hamas target – the Re’im military IDF base (the Rave Party sat in a sandwich between these two); irregular pressure (~Oct 3rd) from higher ups overruled the grave security concerns of the IDF officers who normally were charged with approving or disapproving activities near Gaza.
It was hours before the IDF arrived in force after the Hamas jail break, Israel refuses to explain why.
But even before the arrival in force of the IDF Israel had implemented the Hannabal Directive.
The above are the familiar indicators. You should also be aware that, incredibly, Israel ceased the monitoring of Hamas’ radio network some months before Oct 7th. This is Israel’s stance, that they ceased monitoring altogether; but, more likely is that they compartmentalized it so that only insiders to the LIHOP were getting this critical intelligence.
Israeli media headline: “Unit 8200 could have saved Israel from Oct. 7; why hasn’t it owned up to its failure?”
https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/11/23/unit-8200-could-have-save-israel-from-oct-7-why-hasnt-it-owned-up-to-its-failure/
This is where NPR comes in.
NPR, in the person of Mary Louise Kelly, the anchor for ‘All Things Considered’,
promoted the cover up angle that ceasing of the monitoring was a reasonable thing to do.
Her sounding board was the “retired” Sima Shine, former head of research and analysis for Mossad.
Read it and see that this was not reporting, but advocacy for an Israeli cover-up agenda.
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/06/1211024508/israels-spy-agency-is-one-of-the-best-how-did-it-not-foresee-hamas-attacks
Also, the NPR interview only dealt with the interception of messages by means of monitoring Hamas’ radio network.
Importantly, NPR did not address the fact that there is sophisticated monitoring equipment capable of giving locations and numbers of radios being used by an enemy.
The radio communication traffic would have become volcanic on Oct 7th, and that itself should have led to a Red Alert. Israel could have also seen large radio traffic taking place outside !!! the walls of Gaza in the minutes after the jail break and this would certainly be cause for a Red Alert. With the monitoring equipment Israel could have then tracked the direction and concentration of Hamas.
ALSO, the in the early morning hours of Oct 7th the IDF leadership called an emergency
meeting. Red flag indicators were being detected, the most significant is still a secret that Israeli media is not allowed to report (according to Israeli media itself), but one indicator was that Hamas was loading Israeli SIM cards into their phones so that they could communicate while outside of the Gaza Wall – this is HUGE!
Listening to the interview, clearly NPR is actively assisting with explaining away the lack of monitoring.
This is not reporting or journalism this is actively assisting Israel/Mossad with a cover up.
You will find it extremely interesting to listen and also you will notice a curious thing.
(At the above NPR link is a podcast of the interview.)
When the interview gets to the real meat of why it was ok to stop monitoring,
the Mossad agent is explaining and suddenly there is a hard edit. You can discern it easily.
Mossad is explaining, “And…”. And then the explanation is cut short.
At the 3:30 mark is the very clear edit.
“SIMA SHINE: But it makes sense to me. It makes sense to me. And… ”
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Otto Penn, formerly posting as librul
Posted by: Otto Penn | Apr 24 2025 15:58 utc | 18
@Don Firineach
“Reminds me of the 19th Century Colonial Victorians and their views on the Irish, and Other, Savages …. hence, the Irish support for Palestinians – the historical correlations too many to get into here …”
The complex tapestry of geopolitical struggles, such as the Irish struggle against British imperialism and the ongoing plight of the Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank, invites a profound comparative analysis. This discourse employs a multifaceted lens, weaving together notions of victimhood, cultural expression, and transnational solidarity, particularly highlighted through the emerging voice of Irish hip-hop artist Neecap. In unraveling these threads, we must also consider the historical narratives of Irish transportation to Jamaica and the consequent linguistic syncretism that produced Jamaican Patois, thus enhancing our understanding of diasporic consciousness.
The Irish Context: Historical Narratives of Resistance
The struggle of the Irish against British colonialism, encapsulated by centuries of dispossession, famine, and political subjugation, resonates deeply within the psyche of the Irish diaspora. Ireland’s tumultuous history can be interpreted through the lens of post-colonial theory, where relief from imperial chains is not merely a political endeavor but also an artistic and cultural revival. The Famine (1845-1852) led to significant emigration, with many Irish transported not only to the United States but also to the Caribbean, forging a complex identity that is crucial to understanding the transcultural narratives of oppression.
Palestinian Struggles: A Contemporary Resonance
The Palestinian narrative, characterized by dispossession and resistance against Israeli occupation, interlinks with the historical plight of the Irish. Both groups have faced similar existential crises that reflect a universal struggle against imperial forces, cultural erasure, and the yearning for self-determination. The analogy becomes particularly poignant when exploring psychological dimensions, such as the psychology of victimhood, which manifests differently in each context yet reveals shared experiences of suffering and resilience.
Neecap: Hip-Hop as a Vehicle for Liberation
Neecap, as an embodiment of contemporary Irish hip-hop, offers a unique voice in this dialogue. His lyrical explorations of Gaza depict both empathy and solidarity, resonating with a historical legacy of resistance. By utilizing hip-hop as a medium of expression, Neecap taps into the broader canon of cultural discourse that places art at the intersection of activism and socio-political commentary.
The utilization of hip-hop as a vehicle for liberation integrates theories of critical pedagogy, positing that art transcends boundaries and serves as a catalyst for collective consciousness. In this regard, Neecap’s work not only serves to articulate the struggles of the Palestinian people but also implicates the Irish experience within a larger narrative of resistance against systemic oppression.
The Jamaican Diaspora and Linguistic Impact
The connection between Irish indentured laborers and the Jamaican population further complicates our understanding of transnational identities. The integration of Irish dialects within Jamaican Patois illustrates the syncretic nature of language as a carrier of cultural memory and resistance. Jamaican Patois, enriched with Irish lexicon and phonetics, becomes a testament to the shared struggles against colonial structures. This linguistic convergence accentuates the Afro-Irish solidarity, presenting a unique case study of empathy across diasporas historically subjected to similar forms of imperial domination.
Academic and Philosophical Collaborations
Numerous texts explore the synthesis of Irish and African-Caribbean sympathies regarding the Palestinian struggle. Scholars such as Edward Said and Seamus Heaney have laid frameworks highlighting the interconnectedness of colonial narratives and the role of cultural expressions in shaping political consciousness. Furthermore, works focusing on post-colonial theory—particularly those by Homi K. Bhabha or Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak—illustrate the hybrid identities that arise from the interstices of colonized experiences.
The convergence of these narratives can also be explored through the lens of Frantz Fanon’s work on decolonization and cultural identity, which posits that liberation encompasses the reclamation of narrative and self, resonating strongly with both the Irish and Palestinian struggles.
Conclusion: Towards a Unified Front of Struggle
Ultimately, the interplay of the Irish and Palestinian experiences reveals not only the universality of oppressed narratives but also the potential for solidarity in their struggles. The artistic interpretations of these experiences, particularly through the vehicle of hip-hop, emphasize the role of cultural expression in galvanizing movements for liberation.
Through examining the intersections of language, music, and historical memory, we can foster a more profound understanding of the impacts of imperialism and the resilience of subjugated peoples. In these shared strivings for autonomy, we unearth not only common grievances but also the potent possibilities for collective empowerment and resistance in the face of enduring oppression.
Posted by: DarknessFromLight | Apr 24 2025 16:41 utc | 20
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🟢 Hamas:
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In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
The Central Council Meeting Deepens Division, Entrenches Isolation, and Disappoints Our People’s Hopes for Unity
The Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) affirms that the outcomes of the Palestinian Central Council meeting, held in Ramallah on April 23 and 24, 2025, amounted to a profound national disappointment. It ignored the hopes and aspirations of the Palestinian people, both at home and abroad, who are seeking national unity in the face of the greatest threats to their existence and cause, foremost among them the genocidal war waged by the occupation against Gaza and the escalating Judaization settlement activity in the West Bank and Al-Quds.
This meeting came after 18 months of massacres, destruction, and starvation, without its results or decisions bearing the slightest national response to the role required of official Palestinian institutions in confronting the zionist aggression, working to halt the war of extermination in Gaza, and confronting the desecration of the West Bank and its refugee camps, the displacement of our people, the strengthening of settlements, and attempts to Judaize Al-Quds and Al-Aqsa Mosque, all in implementation of a plan to resolve the conflict in favor of the occupation. Rather, this meeting represented a new stage in the consolidation of isolation, exclusion, and separation from the reality of our steadfast, resistant people.
This meeting was boycotted by major national factions and forces, most notably the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the National Initiative Movement, and the Alliance of Palestinian Forces. In addition, the Democratic Front withdrew from the first session, along with a number of independent national figures. This was a clear message of rejection of the coup against the spirit of national unity, the confiscation of the will of the Palestinian people, and attempts to dominate the institutions of the Palestine Liberation Organization. It also called for the restoration of unity and the formulation of a single, comprehensive national strategy that embraces resistance in all its forms against the zionist occupation.
This meeting also blatantly ignored the outcomes of previous national dialogues, most notably the Beijing Agreement, which stipulated the formation of a national consensus government as a first step toward reuniting the Palestinian ranks and building Palestinian political institutions based on partnership and genuine representation.
We also express our condemnation of the President of the Palestinian Authority’s blatant and unacceptable insults and abuses against Palestinian resistance forces during the Council sessions. This comes at a time when the national situation requires greater support for the resistance, rather than defaming it or holding it responsible for the crimes of the zionist occupation.
We, in Hamas, reject the continuation of this unilateral path and affirm that rebuilding the Palestine Liberation Organization on national and democratic foundations, activating a unified leadership framework, and holding comprehensive elections at home and abroad are the true paths to restoring national unity and building a liberation project that expresses the will of our Palestinian people.
Our Palestinian people deserve a unified national leadership that rises to the level of their great sacrifices, is faithful to their rights, and is loyal to the blood of the martyrs, not a leadership that coordinates security with the occupation, submits to external dictates, is governed by a logic of unilateralism, and reproduces failure and division.
Islamic Resistance Movement – Hamas
Thursday: Shawwal 26, 1446 AH
Corresponding to April 24, 2025 AD
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1915576182407417964
Posted by: Menz | Apr 25 2025 11:27 utc | 77
Houthi rebels shoot down 7 US military Reaper drones worth $334m, in recent weeks
LOLITA C. BALDOR
April 25, 2025 • 9:43am
9:43am
03:16
US airstrike killed 12 people in Yemen
Houthi rebels in Yemen have shot down seven US Reaper drones in less than six weeks, a loss of aircraft worth more than US$200 million (NZ$334m) in what is becoming the most dramatic cost to the Pentagon of the military campaign against the Iran-backed militants.
According to defence officials, three of the drones were shot down in the past week — suggesting the militants’ targeting of the unmanned aircraft flying over Yemen has improved. The drones were doing attack runs or conducting surveillance, and they crashed both into the water and onto land, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss military operations.
The US has increased its attacks on the Houthis, launching daily strikes since March 15, when President Donald Trump ordered a new, expanded campaign. He promised to use “overwhelming lethal force” until the Houthis cease their attacks on shipping along a vital maritime corridor. The US has done more than 750 strikes on the Houthis since that new effort began.
Another defence official said that although hostile fire is likely the cause of the drone losses, the incidents are still under investigation. The official noted that the increase in US strikes can add to the risk to aircraft, but said the US will take every measure possible to protect troops, equipment and interests in the region. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to comment on sensitive military issues.
The sophisticated drones, built by General Atomics, cost about US$30m (NZ$50m) each, and generally fly at altitudes of more than 12,100m. Houthis leaders have consistently touted the strikes in public statements. One of the defence officials said the US lost Reaper drones on March 31 and on April 3, 9, 13, 18, 19 and 22.
US senators, meanwhile, are raising concerns about civilian casualties caused by the American strikes in Yemen. Democratic Sens. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Tim Kaine of Virginia wrote to Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth on Thursday questioning whether the Trump administration is “abandoning the measures necessary to meet its obligations to reducing civilian harm.”
9:43am
03:16
US airstrike killed 12 people in Yemen
Houthi rebels in Yemen have shot down seven US Reaper drones in less than six weeks, a loss of aircraft worth more than US$200 million (NZ$334m) in what is becoming the most dramatic cost to the Pentagon of the military campaign against the Iran-backed militants.
According to defence officials, three of the drones were shot down in the past week — suggesting the militants’ targeting of the unmanned aircraft flying over Yemen has improved. The drones were doing attack runs or conducting surveillance, and they crashed both into the water and onto land, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss military operations.
The US has increased its attacks on the Houthis, launching daily strikes since March 15, when President Donald Trump ordered a new, expanded campaign. He promised to use “overwhelming lethal force” until the Houthis cease their attacks on shipping along a vital maritime corridor. The US has done more than 750 strikes on the Houthis since that new effort began.
Another defence official said that although hostile fire is likely the cause of the drone losses, the incidents are still under investigation. The official noted that the increase in US strikes can add to the risk to aircraft, but said the US will take every measure possible to protect troops, equipment and interests in the region. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to comment on sensitive military issues.
The sophisticated drones, built by General Atomics, cost about US$30m (NZ$50m) each, and generally fly at altitudes of more than 12,100m. Houthis leaders have consistently touted the strikes in public statements. One of the defence officials said the US lost Reaper drones on March 31 and on April 3, 9, 13, 18, 19 and 22.
US senators, meanwhile, are raising concerns about civilian casualties caused by the American strikes in Yemen. Democratic Sens. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Tim Kaine of Virginia wrote to Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth on Thursday questioning whether the Trump administration is “abandoning the measures necessary to meet its obligations to reducing civilian harm.”
A Drones General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper, the US military drone. (file photo)
Specifically, they questioned reports that US strikes at the Ras Isa fuel terminal in Yemen last week potentially killed more than 70 civilians.
“Military leaders agree that ingraining civilian harm mitigation practices within US operations leads to better outcomes and that civilian casualties actually undermine the mission that the military has been sent in to do,” their letter said.
In addition to downing the drones, the Houthis have been persistently firing missiles and one-way attack drones at US military ships in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden. They haven’t hit any.
The US has been using an array of warships, fighter jets, bombers and drones to strike the Houthis, and aircraft can now launch from two Navy carriers in the region.
Hegseth decided in March to beef up the Navy warship presence in the Middle East, ordering the USS Harry S. Truman to extend its deployment there, as the USS Carl Vinson steamed toward the area.
The Truman, along with two of the destroyers and a cruiser in its strike group, is now in the Red Sea. And the Vinson, along with two destroyers and a cruiser, is in the Gulf of Aden.
The third destroyer assigned to the Truman is in the Mediterranean Sea. And two other US Navy destroyers are in the Red Sea, but aren’t part of the Truman’s group.
Hegseth is weighing whether to grant a request by US Central Command to once again extend the Truman’s deployment. A decision to do that could keep the Truman and at least some of its strike group in the region for several more weeks.
It has been rare in recent years for the US to have two aircraft carriers in the Middle East at the same time. Navy leaders have generally been opposed to the idea because it disrupts ship maintenance schedules and delays time at home for sailors strained by the unusually high combat tempo.
MORE…
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360666149/houthi-rebels-shoot-down-7-us-military-reaper-drones-worth-334m-recent-weeks
Posted by: Menz | Apr 25 2025 11:31 utc | 78
AS`AD AbuKHALIL: Where is the ‘Arab Street?’
April 24, 2025
During the ongoing wars of Israeli expansionism in Gaza, the West Bank, Syria and Lebanon, the absence of large, sustainable protests in numerous Arab capitals is notable
By As`ad AbuKhalil
Special to Consortium News
There’s been a long-standing, though distorted and Orientalist fascination in the West with Arab public opinion.
Western governments and media have for decades referred to Arab public opinion dismissively as “the Arab street’ in an attempt to attribute, as the West’s favorite Arab Fouad Ajami called it, atavistic impulses and boisterous rambunctiousness to Arab public behavior and thought.
It’s as though Arabs behave politically unlike civilized Westerners; as if Arabs take to the streets while Westerners take to effete op-ed pages to register their political grievances. In the 1950s and 1960s, during the heydays of Nasserism, Arab people took to the street regularly to register their disapproval of Western governments — and often their own governments.
U.S. embassies were a familiar destination for protesters during those years, which is why U.S. embassies have since been turned into fortresses. Arab protesters are kept from American embassies while local armies ensure Israeli and U.S. diplomatic missions remain accessible to regular people. In the last year, the Jordanian army was deployed to prevent protesters from storming the Israeli embassy.
Al Jazeera English
@AJEnglish
Thousands of protesters supporting Palestine were met with tear gas as they gathered for a second day outside the Israeli embassy in Amman, demanding an end to Jordan’s peace agreement with Israel
“>https://x.com/AJEnglish/status/1772754349854167359
In the past, Western embassies took note of demonstrations directed at Western policies and local rulers aligned with the West. European and American governments often factored in Arab public opinion in their reports and analysis of the region.
The Rival Views
That was a time of actual elite debate about U.S. Middle East policy. The rival camps (the so-called Arabists, decimated in the 1990s, and the Israel lobby) argued over the political salience of Arab public opinion.
Arabists maintained it was important and the U.S. would ignore it at its peril, given the cumulative effects of popular resentment and antipathy towards America. Arabists invoked the example of the 1979 Iranian revolution with its strong, anti-U.S. element, attributed to the C.I.A. and MI6-engineered coup of 1953 that set aside the opinion of the Iranian people.
The Arabist message was: You can ignore local public opinion but it may explode on you later.
On the other hand, the Israel lobby never considers Arab public opinion to be an important factor in making policy, and characterizes Arabists’ warnings as alarmist. They argue — perhaps in their firm belief in the efficacy of using force — that Arab public opinion is an irrelevant factor in formulating U.S. regional policy. They are rooted in colonial thinking that holds that the natives can be subjugated with the right amount of force. As Bernard Lewis and other Zionist analysts argued: the Arabs only understand the language of violence.
Yet, during the ongoing wars of Israeli expansionism in Gaza, the West Bank, Syria and Lebanon, the absence of large, sustainable protests in numerous Arab capitals is notable.
There have been some large demonstrations in several Arab countries against the genocide in Gaza. For instance, Yemen, the impoverished country that has been suffering for years from Western and Gulf siege warfare, held weekly solidarity demonstrations for Palestine in which hundreds of thousands of people participated.
Yemen, by far, has displayed in both street protests and military action against Israeli interests, the most intense identification with the Palestinian cause. There were protests in Jordan and Mauritania among other capitals, but the popular outpouring against the genocide has been minimal compared to Western cities.
In 1982, Arabs also failed to show support for Palestinians and Lebanese during the savage Israeli invasion of Lebanon.
What Has Changed
MORE…
https://consortiumnews.com/2025/04/24/asad-abukhalil-where-is-the-arab-street/
Posted by: Menz | Apr 25 2025 11:47 utc | 79
Here is the most Jewish thing that I have read today. I had to chuckle.
Victimhood is so ingrained in Jewish identity it can lead to some funny results.
Harvard is being attacked by the ZOG Trump administration.
Harvard is added to the list of Yemen (being militarily attacked)
and Gaza (ZOG is supplying endless weapons). And we should include Syria and Lebanon
and, in other ways, Iran.
So, here is a widely distributed opinion piece (originally found in Haaretz) that
is bemoaning “Wait Till They Blame The Jews For Bringing Down Harvard”
Narcissists and psychopaths NEVER do anything wrong in their own minds, so if you criticize them
they must logically conclude that there is something wrong with you.
When they say, “why are you blaming me?” It is their way of throwing
your criticism back at you – ‘you are blaming the eternal victim!’
The original article is behind a paywall at Haaretz.
Here is a different link:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220265094
The more I thought about it, the clearer it became. The Trump Administration is not weaponizing antisemitism to suppress pro-Palestinians on campus, as I had previously thought. They are weaponizing the discomfort experienced by some Jewish students amid mostly peaceful pro-Palestinian protests to suppress academic freedom, freedom of speech and independent research at America’s most prestigious institutions. And when they succeed, they will indeed blame us, the Jews.
There is a “*snip*” at the alternative link at democratic underground,
but I see no mention whatsoever – WHATSOEVER – about the Genocide in Gaza.
Support for Genocide is why Trump is attacking Harvard, to support Israel’s Genocide of the Palestinians. Duh.
Though there is no mention of the Genocide in Gaza there IS
mention of the Holocaust (of course!!):
And as a Jewish Israeli, and the son of Holocaust survivors, it is horrifying to think that a biased interpretation of the prejudice that led to the deaths of so many of my parents’ relatives is now being used as a tool to destroy the very institutions that made America truly great.
I fear the day we will be blamed for the destruction of American science, and the real antisemitic wave that will follow.
Did this Haaretz opinion piece make you laugh?
So incredibly funny sometimes……..
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This would be an appropriate place to remind the bar about Victimhood.
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I didn’t expect Scientific American to have an article about “Israelis” and Victimhood,
but here it is.
Speaking about people in general everywhere, Victimhood is a natural personal state developed
after a variety of life’s traumas. From that state, it is necessary to learn, understand and forgive,
and then it is healthy to progress, develop and move on. But some, for various reasons,
become stuck in the Victimhood state. They can discover a selfish power that that state of
Victimhood bestows upon them, others may develop a group identity in Victimhood.
Moving from the general population to speaking of “Israelis” in particular.
Why are “Israelis” so aggressive and violent? Why do they create pain and suffering for
others while lacking any morsel of compassion, any awareness of the pain and suffering
they create? Why do they believe they are just and right while committing the worst forms of war crimes?
And if the thousands upon thousands of Holocaust movies, books, articles, memorials, museums, and more, have
only served to incite “Israelis” to commit Genocide, to perpetuate the state of Victimhood,
then should not that incitement be condemned, shunned and banned?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/unraveling-the-mindset-of-victimhood/
Based on clinical observations and research, the researchers found that the tendency for interpersonal victimhood consists of four main dimensions: (a) constantly seeking recognition for one’s victimhood, (b) moral elitism, (c) lack of empathy for the pain and suffering of others, and (d) frequently ruminating about past victimization.
…are so preoccupied with their own victimhood that they are oblivious to the pain and suffering of others. Research shows that people who have just been wronged or who are reminded of a time when they were wronged feel entitled to behave aggressively and selfishly, ignoring the suffering of others and taking more for themselves while leaving less to others.
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At the group level, research suggests that increased attention to an in-group’s victimization reduces empathy toward the adversary as well as toward unrelated adversaries. Even just the priming of victimhood has been shown to increase ongoing conflicts, with the priming leading to reduced levels of empathy toward the adversary and people being more willing to accept less collective guilt for current harm. In fact, research on “competitive victimhood” shows that members of groups involved in violent conflicts tend to see their victimization as exclusive and are prone to minimize, belittle or outright deny their adversary’s suffering and pain.
A group that is completely preoccupied with its own suffering can develop what psychologists refer to as an “egoism of victimhood,” whereby members are unable to see things from the perspective of the rival group’s perspective, are unable or unwilling to empathize with the suffering of the rival group, and are unwilling to accept any responsibility for harm inflicted by their own group.
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Similar findings have been found at the group level. A strong sense of collective victimhood is associated with a low willingness to forgive and an increased desire for revenge. This finding has been replicated in diverse contexts, including thinking of the Holocaust, the conflict in Northern Ireland and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Instead of healing from the state of Victimhood, “Israel” seeks to perpetuate it, and descend further
into the “Dark Side” of violence, revenge self-centered needs, theft and aggression.
The main temple for Victimhood and Holocaust worship is in Jerusalem, Yad Vashem.
All new IDF recruits are made to visit Yad Vashem with the goal of teaching the recruits on thing, “Why we fight”.
Posted by: Otto Penn | Apr 25 2025 19:08 utc | 95
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