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April 17, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-082
News & views related to the war in Palestine …
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MSF : “Gaza has become a “mass grave” for Palestinians and those helping them”. Posted by: Chb | Apr 17 2025 10:48 utc | 1 If you’re still wondering which is the terrorist state, then you’re not paying attention. Posted by: forceOfHabit | Apr 17 2025 11:31 utc | 2 “If you’re still wondering which is the terrorist state, then you’re not paying attention.” Posted by: canuck | Apr 17 2025 11:39 utc | 3 Thanks for the new Gaza thread b. Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 17 2025 11:52 utc | 4 “We write as representatives of the British Jewish community, out of love for Israel and deep concern for its future. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 17 2025 12:57 utc | 5 The gnisse (trolls) are out in force. Posted by: paxmark1 | Apr 17 2025 13:11 utc | 6 Website of martyred Journalist Hossam Shabat Posted by: Ornot | Apr 17 2025 13:23 utc | 7 Repeating the set of local Palestine links…. Posted by: Ornot | Apr 17 2025 13:26 utc | 8 I insist on repeating this from previous thread : Posted by: Ornot | Apr 17 2025 13:40 utc | 9 Well said Sir Arch. Anyone claiming a “love for izzyhell” is claiming a love for plunder and murder. Here’s a long-ish account of the history of colonization attempts by Askanazis beginning in 1881. https://orinocotribune.com/statement-against-genocide-and-surrender-for-hope-steadfastness-and-resistance/ Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Apr 17 2025 13:46 utc | 10 I posted yesterday about the Turkish lawyer Selçuk Kozağaçlı being released. However, he has been arrested again, as the Prosecutor’s Office objected to his release. This happens fairly often in Turkey. These judicial cat and mouse games are common in Plaza Erdoğan. Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 17 2025 13:50 utc | 11 Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Apr 17 2025 13:46 utc | 10 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 17 2025 13:57 utc | 12 LoveDonbass I believe that you are correct. Still, the only possible response for me is to live with a pure heart and continue to be appalled by the thuggery. Salud. Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Apr 17 2025 14:31 utc | 13 45 days of deliberate food, water, medical and water blockades of Gaza….millions unfed, and without access to clean water or medical care, and continued attacks on hospitals….. Posted by: tobias cole | Apr 17 2025 14:37 utc | 14 The goals of the Israeli government remain: Posted by: Polli | Apr 17 2025 14:40 utc | 15 It’s all on the Gulf Arab dictatorships as well as that of Sultan Erdogan and $I$I in Egypt, who is, by Talmudist reckoning, Jewish on account of the situation that his mother was of that dispensation. Posted by: aristodemos | Apr 17 2025 14:43 utc | 16 And now we read that Murika the Murderer is contemplating mercenaries (Eric prince where are you? ) to invade Yemen. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 17 2025 14:48 utc | 17 @ DunGroanin 4 Posted by: JessDTruth | Apr 17 2025 15:04 utc | 18 I disagree. Jews must be held to account for their silence. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 17 2025 15:28 utc | 19 Quick tally before I begin the regular Merkava tally: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 17 2025 15:35 utc | 20 https://x.com/s_m_marandi/status/1912544219450745294 Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 17 2025 15:36 utc | 21 “As for those Jews who reject Zionism and everything to do with it, well what do we call them? Posted by: jr | Apr 17 2025 16:01 utc | 22 Posted by: jr | Apr 17 2025 16:01 utc | 22 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 17 2025 16:02 utc | 23 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 17 2025 14:48 utc | 17
Good query Arch. Maybe we can gain some form of new humanist. Posted by: Forest | Apr 17 2025 16:29 utc | 24 One can be Jew and condemn zionism, one can be Jew and condemn israel. Posted by: Tak-Tik | Apr 17 2025 17:26 utc | 25 Prevaricating on these matters plays into the hands of zionists, nazis and zionist-nazis. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 17 2025 17:36 utc | 26 Putin & Qatari Emir Discuss Crises in Gaza and Syria Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 17 2025 17:49 utc | 27 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 17 2025 15:28 utc | 19
I object to the one-size-fits-all overuse of Nazi analogies. Posted by: Errata | Apr 17 2025 17:50 utc | 28 Arch, Posted by: Exile | Apr 17 2025 17:52 utc | 29 Shall we just describe them as: Posted by: Exile | Apr 17 2025 17:53 utc | 30 “Two former Israeli PMs warn: ‘Israel stands at the brink of the abyss; closer to civil war than ever before’” Posted by: WMG | Apr 17 2025 17:53 utc | 31 “Two former Israeli PMs warn: ‘Israel stands at the brink of the abyss; closer to civil war than ever before’” Posted by: WMG | Apr 17 2025 17:55 utc | 32 IF IT IS THE CASE that the objectionable element affecting Israel is Zionism, should a program of De-Zionization, similar to the De-Nazification program, take place in Israel? Among American & other diaspora Jews to determine & eradicate their “zionist” proclivities? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 17 2025 18:07 utc | 33 Maybe a little off topic, but then again maybe not so much: With Trump and his backers out purging the U.S.A. of foreigners they don’t like, the removal of due process, the suppression of first amendments rights, and other draconian measures of their agenda, it all sounds a lot like some Zionist policy. Seems like what is happening around Israhell and what is happening in the U.S.A. are well coupled. Seems like Trump and backers are also out to turn the U.S.A. into a greater Israhell. Will Detroit in the not too distant future become another Gaza? Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Apr 17 2025 18:35 utc | 34 As for those Jews who reject Zionism and everything to do with it, well what do we call them? Posted by: Mary | Apr 17 2025 18:47 utc | 35 Israeli weapons makers feel at home in the UAE. I hope MBZ gets over thrown. Posted by: sdffa | Apr 17 2025 18:58 utc | 36
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 17 2025 19:08 utc | 37 As I have stated several times, Iran is a superpower without nukes. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 17 2025 19:12 utc | 38 Posted by: Mary | Apr 17 2025 18:47 utc | 35 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 17 2025 19:22 utc | 39 UK : Starmer’s persecution of pro-Palestine journalists continues … Posted by: Red Star | Apr 17 2025 19:45 utc | 40 Instagram censorship ? Posted by: Red Star | Apr 17 2025 19:49 utc | 41 https://www.worldpressphoto.org/collection/photo-contest/2025/Samar-Abu-Elouf-POY/1 Posted by: Apollyon | Apr 17 2025 20:00 utc | 42 https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1912409195162255547 Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 17 2025 20:33 utc | 43 Dr. Khalil Al-Hayya, head of the Hamas negotiating delegation has replied to “Israeli” US propositions aimed at replacing the proper truce which was part of the original ceasefire with temporary measures , rejecting the proposals. The reasons for the rejection are those that have been aired the last week or more, and so I will not repeat them. He ends with: Posted by: Ornot | Apr 17 2025 20:34 utc | 44 Bernie Sanders: ‘Israel has the right to defend itself’ Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 17 2025 20:55 utc | 45 A Calculus of Conflict: Netanyahu’s Political Survival Through Extended War
Posted by: Otto Penn | Apr 17 2025 20:56 utc | 46 don’t f*ck with the Houthis Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 17 2025 20:56 utc | 47 As for those Jews who reject Zionism and everything to do with it, well what do we call them? Posted by: Newbie | Apr 17 2025 21:04 utc | 48 …Sanders said ‘Israel has the right to defend itself’… Posted by: Otto Penn | Apr 17 2025 21:04 utc | 49 How To Stop The Gaza Genocide (& vid) Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 17 2025 21:42 utc | 50 @ Arch Bungle | Apr 17 2025 15:28 utc | 19, who said, “As for those Jews who reject Zionism and everything to do with it, well what do we call them?” Posted by: Cabe | Apr 17 2025 21:45 utc | 51 How to Stop the Gaza Genocide (& vid) Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 17 2025 21:48 utc | 52 @ Newbie | Apr 17 2025 21:04 utc | 48 Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 17 2025 22:07 utc | 53 EI Podcast: Day 559 of the Gaza Genocide Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 17 2025 22:09 utc | 54 Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 17 2025 20:56 utc | 47 “He added that Yemen’s forces also engaged US assets, including targeting the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman, which he said had been forced into a purely defensive posture…..” Posted by: Ed4 | Apr 17 2025 22:10 utc | 55 “A citizen’s cry from Nasser Medical Complex.. “For going on two years in Gaza, we have been living on the brink of death… Every day there is bombing, displacement, and hunger. We even search for bread. Our children grew up to the sound of explosions, our mothers’ pain is silent. We scream, we document, we die in front of the cameras… And the Arabs? Sleeping! As if they don’t see a thing. Gaza is not a movie, we are human beings! Feel us, enough silence and enough betrayal.” ” Posted by: Ornot | Apr 17 2025 22:22 utc | 56 I don’t know if any of the rest of you know who Abubaker Abed is, but he has decided to leave Gaza for now. He’s a 22-year-old reporter who started as a soccer (football) cub reporter, but then switched to reporting on the genocide 18 months ago. He writes for a couple of websites and has appeared frequently on Electronic Intifada. He’s very young, but from what I have seen, even 10-year-old Palestinians are more mature and well-read than most American adults. He lives in Deir el-Balah in the northern/central area of Gaza. Posted by: teri | Apr 17 2025 22:23 utc | 57 @ my # 57 above: Now I remember – Abubaker’s immune system is severely dysfunctional and they had him on medications for that. He can no longer get any meds in Gaza – nobody can. Posted by: teri | Apr 17 2025 22:32 utc | 58 Otto Pen@2104 Apr 17 Posted by: aristodemos | Apr 17 2025 22:37 utc | 59 The assaults by Nutz and Yahoo’s designated killers are without doubt the most evil actions taken against a civilian population, at least since the Donmai converts to Islam from Talmudism genocided the majority of the Armenian people in 1915. Posted by: aristodemos | Apr 17 2025 22:44 utc | 60 Stopped reading right there. Posted by: Menz | Apr 17 2025 22:46 utc | 61 asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل Posted by: Menz | Apr 17 2025 22:49 utc | 62 Drop Site Posted by: Menz | Apr 17 2025 22:51 utc | 63 Omar Sakr Posted by: Menz | Apr 17 2025 22:53 utc | 64 Drop Site Posted by: Menz | Apr 17 2025 22:54 utc | 65 This was a Palestinian beach. The photo is from 1944: Posted by: Menz | Apr 17 2025 22:57 utc | 66 Otto Penn 46 Posted by: Giyane | Apr 17 2025 23:41 utc | 67 Update on that Board of Deputies letter to the U.K. Press. Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 17 2025 23:54 utc | 68 … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 18 2025 1:19 utc | 69 Posted by: PalestinePete | Apr 18 2025 1:14 utc | 69 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 18 2025 1:29 utc | 70 Wake up and smell the roses. It’s all over. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 18 2025 1:56 utc | 71 Denial of Reality. The War has been over for a long time already. Hamas Lost. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 18 2025 1:58 utc | 72 The Saudi Defense Minister, after a meeting with Senior figures in Iran called for the Arab world to unite against the occupation and the Zionist entity Posted by: ld | Apr 18 2025 2:05 utc | 73 Exile | 30
Brilliant! Posted by: persiflo | Apr 18 2025 2:06 utc | 74
An important thought. I believe so, too. Posted by: persiflo | Apr 18 2025 2:11 utc | 75 The Ummah is calling for Jihad against Israel Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 18 2025 2:18 utc | 76 Contradictions, over time, always undo efforts to institutionalize evil, IMO. Posted by: Newbie | Apr 18 2025 2:19 utc | 77 @HoarseWhisperer #70 Posted by: ArtinOz | Apr 18 2025 2:24 utc | 78 A point of attacking Iran is to give cover for Israel to ethnically cleanse Gaza. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 18 2025 2:24 utc | 79 To add to that, I’m Lebanese (but born in Oz), and I live in an area with a lot of Levantines. Posted by: ArtinOz | Apr 18 2025 2:37 utc | 80 https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/90-percent-of-israeli-jews-call-themselves-zionists-herzl-day-poll-finds-454347 Posted by: Errata | Apr 18 2025 2:43 utc | 81 Hamas lost, Israel has won and the West have won. Palestine is gone the same as Carthage was destroyed by the Romans. Now get over it. Humanity cannot do any better. We’re all fucked. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 18 2025 3:22 utc | 82 The next day I saw the Lebanese owner of a manouche shop I visit frequently has posed with him for a photo op on social media and endorsed him in the upcoming election. Needless to say I’m not fucking eating there again. Posted by: Menz | Apr 18 2025 3:29 utc | 83 Given the evolution of the concern trolls into defeat trolls, I’m just going to link to this Substack article on Western Psychological Warfare Posted by: ArtinOz | Apr 18 2025 3:48 utc | 85 RE: Posted by: Mary | Apr 17 2025 18:47 utc | 35 Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 18 2025 3:59 utc | 86 You Muslims couldn’t fight you way out of a wet paper bag. You’re fukcing useless cowards and dumb as. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 18 2025 4:04 utc | 87 19 Arch Bungle — “As for those Jews who reject Zionism and everything to do with it, well what do we call them?” Re: “This is just the way the US does business, 90% lies and bollocks and **10% grains of truth.” Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 18 2025 4:22 utc | 89 “Five ambulance workers were killed when U.S. warplanes struck the port a second time…” Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 18 2025 4:29 utc | 90 Posted by: Menz | Apr 18 2025 3:29 utc | 91 Posted by: ArtinOz | Apr 18 2025 4:30 utc | 91 RE: “Your logic is off. Your facts are fucked. You have no argument.” Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 18 2025 4:32 utc | 92 “We can’t win” Posted by: ld | Apr 18 2025 5:21 utc | 93 It’s really simple. Russia hasn’t done anything but make all things worse in the ME. Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 18 2025 5:31 utc | 94 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 18 2025 5:00 utc | 103 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 18 2025 6:18 utc | 95 How can anyone suggest these anti-zionism Jewish activists are not Jews? Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 18 2025 7:01 utc | 96 Is it fair to blame Zionism on Jews, when Zionism’s principle inventors, including Lord Balfour himself, were astonishing Jew-haters raw in tooth and claw? Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 18 2025 7:16 utc | 97 Isreal has the right to defend itself Posted by: Exile | Apr 18 2025 7:47 utc | 98 like he has some sort of right. Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 18 2025 7:53 utc | 99 On collective or class guilt, continuing from my question above about whether Jews can be blamed for Zionism, then wandering a bit OT:
A groteque public insult (with disgusting pedophilic undertones, no less), leveled at a spiritual leader for millions, in abject service to eternal hatred and endless warmongering. Pope Frank, as leader, brought down upon the shoulders of all Catholics lasting shame for encouraging this Russophobic war, at a most crucial moment. Pretending to speak for the Prince of Peace, Pope Frank spoke for Satan when he gave that interview to CNN. The popemobile can’t lower his bloated corpse down into the seventh circle quickly enough for me. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 18 2025 8:11 utc | 100 |
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