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April 10, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-076
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Trubind1 95
If I was Russia, and I had saved the West’s bacon in 1944, and been attacked by the West’s mujahideen in Afghanistan , Eastern Europe, and by Western proxies in Ukraine, I wouldn’t feel like sticking my neck out again to save the jumped up jihadist leaders in Political Islam from their latest own folly on Oct 7.
Especially since USUKIS has stated publicly that it intends to attack Central Asia probably using Political Islam. Why save the brainwashed jihadists who hate your socialism from the USUKIS destruction of Palestine?
Better to let the bonkers US-trained Jihadists taste the Joys of USUKIS genocide and see if they learn anything about their Imperial allies.
So long as political Islam backs USUKIS agsinst Russia, why should Russia intervene in Iran and Palestine to save political Islam from its own mistakes?
Greater Israel will totally subjugate Qatar , Saudi Arabia, Jordan , Lebanon, Syria and Kurdistan, in other words the entirety of Political Islam. Leave them to their own folly.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 12 2025 13:32 utc | 101
Trubind1 95
If I was Russia, and I had saved the West’s bacon in 1944, and been attacked by the West’s mujahideen in Afghanistan , Eastern Europe, and by Western proxies in Ukraine, I wouldn’t feel like sticking my neck out again to save the jumped up jihadist leaders in Political Islam from their latest own folly on Oct 7.
Especially since USUKIS has stated publicly that it intends to attack Central Asia probably using Political Islam. Why save the brainwashed jihadists who hate your socialism from the USUKIS destruction of Palestine?
Better to let the bonkers US-trained Jihadists taste the Joys of USUKIS genocide and see if they learn anything about their Imperial allies.
So long as political Islam backs USUKIS agsinst Russia, why should Russia intervene in Iran and Palestine to save political Islam from its own mistakes?
Greater Israel will totally subjugate Qatar , Saudi Arabia, Jordan , Lebanon, Syria and Kurdistan, in other words the entirety of Political Islam. Leave them to their own folly.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 12 2025 13:32 utc | 102
Katz announces glorious IDF success after success. Yet, his credibility is zilch. The IDF barely holds the ground it stands on.
Posted by: Exile | Apr 12 2025 13:44 utc | 103
“Giyane | Apr 12 2025 13:32 utc | 102” is why I don’t check the comment threads here anymore.
Posted by: Maracatu | Apr 12 2025 13:45 utc | 104
@ Giyane 102
“So long as political Islam backs USUKIS agsinst Russia, why should Russia intervene in Iran and Palestine to save political Islam from its own mistakes?
Greater Israel will totally subjugate Qatar , Saudi Arabia, Jordan , Lebanon, Syria and Kurdistan, in other words the entirety of Political Islam. Leave them to their own folly.”
Is this really Giyane, or a trolling fake ? It seems so unlike all the previous comments by Giyane. Someone should check into this, please.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Apr 12 2025 13:57 utc | 105
Re: Posted by: Giyane | Apr 12 2025 13:32 utc | 102
It’s simple:
There is no “Political Islam” aside from USReal.
Zionism created “Political Islam”.
Pull the root out (creation of Israel as Zio super state).
It was always colonizing strategy.
Nothing more. Pure deception.
Wise and knowledgeable Allamah know this as well.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 12 2025 14:40 utc | 106
RE: “Katz announces glorious IDF success after success. Yet, his credibility is zilch. The IDF barely holds the ground it stands on.”
Posted by: Exile | Apr 12 2025 13:44 utc | 103
Also read how IDF has 50% of Gaza territory now in hand, and will use as “buffer zone”…
Notice how every illegal squatting occupation for USReal is called “a buffer zone”… ?? Ie Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, West Bank, Gaza, Jordan ect…
Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 12 2025 14:51 utc | 107
@104 and 105
It is necessary to keep the comments in their relative perspective, which is of Russian engagement in the region and the ability to confront , or use of directly confronting, and attempting to manage, western hegemony, or its aftermath.
That would be from someone who sees politicisation of Islam as a corruption of its meaning.
“So long as political Islam backs USUKIS against Russia…” [which is largely true] “…why should Russia intervene in Iran and Palestine to save political Islam from its own mistakes?” [For example, in a non temporal sense it would be to allow political islam to continue reshaped into a form that counters Russian presence instead of facing a destruction due]
Those are only a suggestion of interpretation.
My own view is slightly different, which is that from a moral viewpoint Russia should not be supporting or recognising “Israel” in any way etc.
People base their views on their understanding of the world, of how things work or should work. Obviously that creates divergent views, Giyane has his.
i.e. Babylon was not worth saving, maybe.
Doesn’t mean he would ask for the destruction the west, a wider confrontation with it, would bring.
But then…I could not guarantee Giyane wrote the post either … in which case I would be “over analising” what was written (i.e. applying my interpretation of Giyane’s meaning to words that were not even his) :-/
Posted by: Ornot | Apr 12 2025 15:21 utc | 108
https://x.com/ecomarxi/status/1911006786074861954
Tiberius @ecomarxi
It makes sense that the US stands with Israel when you understand that both societies are filled with some of the worst people to have ever lived
https://x.com/WBSRespecter/status/1910310591077511400
WBS @WBSRespecter
Did you know that one precision strike could cause 350 million Chinese to ching their last chong?
Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 12 2025 15:50 utc | 109
Continuing with the new Palestine Resistance Tally for 2025:
– Merkava: 1 destroyed (unchanged), n/a approximate damaged, n/a targeted (unchanged)
– Narmer: n/a
– Other Armoured Vehicle: n/a
– Officers: ~ 7 (+1 IDF reservist killed by a landmine near the Lebanese border)
– Bulldozers: 1 destroyed (unchanged)
– Weapons Trucks: n/a
– Missile/Drone Strikes on Israel: 4 (+1 barrage on Ashkelon, 1 rajoom strike on Nir Yitzak settlement)
– Fighter Jets (as of 22/12/2024): n/a
– Yemeni attacks on Zionist Shipping: 0
– Yemeni attacks on US Navy Ships: ~ 33 (+1 large attack on USS Harry Truman)
– Yemeni strikes on US Drones: 18 (+1)
– Yemeni strikes on US Aircraft: 1 (unchanged)
Comment:
1. The AQB launched a barrage of rockets on Ashkelon which shows large scale damage based on my survey of sample footage around the net.
2. Nir Yitzhak settlement was struck with with a short-range, 114mm “Rajum” rocket system. Casualties unreported.
3. 1 IDF reservist forgot where he was and got shredded in a Lebanese minefield.
4. We no longer hear of the Houthi striking Zionist shipping, instead their strikes are focused exclusively on the US Navy.
It’s not clear if Zionist shipping is now completely avoiding the Red Sea or if the Houthi are simply giving their full attention to the US Navy. Whatever the reason is, nobody can now make the spurious claim that the Houthi are harassing civilian targets: They are directly fighting “the worlds most powerful navy” – and defeating them.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 12 2025 16:10 utc | 110
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 12 2025 16:10 utc | 111
Tally as of Sunday 13/04/2025:
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 12 2025 16:12 utc | 111
Yemen Military 🇾🇪 @Yemenimilitary
The closure of Yemeni accounts by Platform X is truly strange. The account of the spokesperson for the Yemeni Armed Forces, Yahya Saree, along with other officials’ accounts, has been suspended. All Yemeni accounts must be restored and reactivated.
Uh Oh.
Posted by: persiflo | Apr 12 2025 17:46 utc | 112
@JessDTruth | Sat, 12 Apr 2025 13:57:00 GMT | 106
“So long as political Islam backs USUKIS agsinst Russia, why should Russia intervene in Iran and Palestine to save political Islam from its own mistakes?
Greater Israel will totally subjugate Qatar , Saudi Arabia, Jordan , Lebanon, Syria and Kurdistan, in other words the entirety of Political Islam. Leave them to their own folly.”Is this really Giyane, or a trolling fake ?
It sounds like him. I can also see what he means: There is a distinct element of religious brainwashing at play with the al-Qaeda/ISIS/HTS footsoldiers of USUKIS, and Giyane notes that this is, ideology-wise, not a straight-up consequence of Koranic teachings, but rather a dark ploy by USUKIS; he calls it political Islam. I’m not qualified to try and go into the details, but what stands out is certainly the oil deal between KSA and the Empire, which included various measures of population control, as evidenced by the Saudi Salafist financed Madrasas that became ‘all the rage’ [pardon the pun] in Central Asia, up to the point of propaganding suicide bombings in Afghanistan in elementary schoolbooks also paid for by KSA.
On a much darker note [please continue only after donning a working tinfoil hat] the infamous ibn Wahhab is said to have been a cryptojew. The Saudi royals themselves, a few years ago, prided themselves publicly of some jewish ancestry. A friend of mine, himself a Muslim with good connections, told me that the Prophet’s birthplace was filled with concrete and remade into a lavatory … I only have his word for it, but it fits with the destruction of the Yemeni National Museum, where the oldest pieces of original Koranic scripture were preserved. Not everyone is ready to do that. —
Posted by: persiflo | Apr 12 2025 18:16 utc | 113
Trubind1 107
Political Islam was a creation of the British Empire , to allow Muslims to fight for the Brithsh under the banner of Islam.
The creation of the Muslim Brotherhood and Saudi Salafism in and around Israel allowscwhatcwas once a tool of the British to now be a tool of the US through Israel.
Israel’s pretence at being a religion enables it to be almost anything it likes and justify everything. In the mosque we constantly bombarded with Qur’an verses urging Muslims to fight , but no constructive plan to fight Israel, or the Gulfies over this genocide.
As individuals , we might be able to prepare ourselves for military duty, but the learned scholars know that fantasising about jihad is a waste of time with no action. And the current method of controlling Muslim behaviour, which totally haram forbidden, is electronic spying which is entirely Israeli run.
Allah expresses his frustration in the Qur’an about vain talk and unIslamic methodologies. I don’t believe there are in existence any scholars in Sunni Islam that know anything, except what USUKIS offers them.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 12 2025 18:50 utc | 114
RE: “Political Islam was a creation of the British Empire , to allow Muslims to fight for the Brithsh under the banner of Islam.”
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 12 2025 18:50 utc | 115
May be worded differently, but saying the same thing.
Fake Zionism was around before fake Political Islam.
Both of UK/West origin.
Before both of them, good old sectarian/racial/class/religious divide and conquer worked around the world.
And still does.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 12 2025 19:19 utc | 115
Notice how every illegal squatting occupation for USReal is called “a buffer zone”… ?? Ie Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, West Bank, Gaza, Jordan ect…
RE: Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 12 2025 14:51 utc | 108
bingo!
this is the US-centralized Empire assuring/trying to assure its control over the world’s oil supplies and its main waterways, as well as of course its continuation of exploiting the planet’s labor force/s and resources in general world-wide
Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 12 2025 20:44 utc | 116
At one point, the interviewer asked Miranda Cleland of Defense for Children International – Palestine, “How you ever thought through ‘what’s the strategic reason to shoot a child? What message should we take from a military that would target children?’” Cleland’s reply: “I’ve thought about it a lot and the only conclusion I can come to is that Israeli soldiers are shooting Palestinian children because they want to. And I think they do it because they are allowed to and nobody has stopped them.”
https://truthout.org/articles/this-passover-we-must-reckon-with-israels-massacre-of-children-in-gaza/
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 12 2025 20:54 utc | 117
Ornot 109
The US mujahideen fought the Soviet Union in Afghanistan because they banned and persecuted religion.
As a consequence they became indoctrinated by the US against socialism, while in reality Islam contains the concept of community Welfare which the US dogmatically rejects
Political Islam was then medically indoctrinated into savagery in the War on Terror, so it is now both anti- Welfare and anti- Humanity.
Meanwhile Russia had restored religion , Jewish, Christian and Muslim.
Americans are unable to view Russia and China , except through the venomous hatred of capitalism for Socialism . And they are unable to see Islam as peaceful religion because of their indoctrination.
Israel has gaslighted all Muslims
as terrorists because of Political Islam, and all Russians as imperialists because of their hatred of Nazism.
The truth is that USUKIS is planning a war on Central Asia in partnership with their indoctrinated Political Islam. It will be a war exactly like Gaza, ruthless, racist, and religious in judtufication.
Wny would Russia get involved with saving the extremists of Sunni Political Islam from their stupidity in allying with Israel?
If you don’t understand the question,
ask yourself why USUKIS installed HTS in Syria, if Syria is to become part of Greater Israel.
Ask yourself whether if Turkey , Lebanon, Jordan , Kurdistan, Saudis, UAE , Tunisia, Jordan, etc are Normylised with Israel, will the rest of Asia that USUKIS wants to conquer be any different?
Brian Berletic understands that USUKIS has already softened up West Asia into sunbservient obedience, and the rest of Asia with its Facebook and Linkedin will grovel to USUKIS bunker bombs exactly the same.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 12 2025 20:59 utc | 118
“israelis have only one right, to pack up their bags and leave the state of Palestine.” – Norman Finkelstein, attributed
https://x.com/tparsi/status/1911118735265382433
Trita Parsi @tparsi
A campaign to get @SteveWitkoff fired and to denigrate Oman started weeks ago by Israeli operatives (see below) and pro-Israel voices in DC.
The reason is crystal clear: They wanted to push Trump towards war with Iran. To do that, they needed to discredit pro-diplomacy voices inside the administration (Witkoff) and US partners who could help make talks succeed (Oman, Qatar).
Their campaign will probably intensify now, but they are playing with fire. Trump will likely not tolerate Israel sabotaging diplomacy and influential MAGA voices are increasingly turning against Israel for seeking to once again drag the US into an unnecessary war in the Middle East…
https://x.com/Almutawakkil560/status/1911158290899427632
محمد عبدالملك – Mohamed @Almutawakkil560
Hegemony in the Red Sea and the Arab Sea is no longer for America, it has become for Yemen, and for more than a year and a half, maritime navigation has not been affected by the world except for Israel, as it is punished under humanitarian law until it lifts its hand from Gaza.
https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1911102748935803341
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
🚢 Meanwhile merchant ships in the Red Sea enjoy freedom of navigation, only if they’re not US-Israeli linked ✅
Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 12 2025 21:39 utc | 119
@119 Giyane
Talking recently to a young person from Tajikistan, who had migrated to europe in the last decade, gained training, self learned english from video, living on the continent. A kind and honest person. We talked of Gaza “…we will be next, we must stand together” was the conclusion offered, which I understood. Then I mentioned Russia in a neutral going on sympathetic manner, but there was no sympathy for Russia, it was seen as a danger and to be avoided. That was not western propaganda or gaslighting, that was this person’s own experience of Russian influence on the country they were from.
That is only to say that whatever Russia is or stands for now, which includes recognising a genocidal entity and maintaining relations with, it has also been part of the problems of central Asia. In other words… for example the Taliban asked for or accepted US help and influence due to conflict with the soviet union (Russia).
Where I am looking from, the US (and west), “Israel”, and Russia are all at least part responsible for the existing circumstance. I don’t think local population want to be saved by any of those, or to take part in any conflict, they would prefer to be left to their own organisation, at least that would be the most just . As that is not likely to be, as the external conquest of their region has been underway for well over a century in one form or another, uninvited…what are they to think or do ?
I cannot just say “let them pay the price for their stupidity” , because few actually had or have any reasonable choice in the evolution of their country or nation.
Posted by: Ornot | Apr 12 2025 23:20 utc | 120
Syrian sources say Russia has replenished its Khmeimim airbase with fighter jets, military transport aircraft and other military equipment in large quantities. Satellite images show runways and hangars overcrowded.
https://x.com/SprinterObserve/status/1911202753239498817
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 0:40 utc | 121
Talk of preparations being made for assault on Hodeidah (by PLC/STC I think)…not sure if correct though:
https://www.yemenmonitor.com/en/Details/ArtMID/908/ArticleID/137450
Posted by: Ornot | Apr 13 2025 1:05 utc | 122
Posted by: Ornot | Apr 13 2025 1:05 utc | 123
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Everything I’m seeing on Twitter is that Ansar Allah wants them to try.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 1:12 utc | 123
Ornot 121
There’s a big difference between people who seek refuge from politics in Britain and those who become part of the Nest of Spies in London, to influence London to get Israel to change the regime that rules tgeir country.
All of the problems in Asia are caused by Muslims tarting for regime change. Nobody can touch a lady or a country without to some extent being invited in.
If Hamas wanted to beat Israel, they should have asked Russia for military assistance , and that is my point, that, ideologically, Political Islam, weirdly , thinks USUKIS are good people. Is Gaza going to change their mind? No , politics is always idee fixe. They , political Islam , won’t change their weird concept that USUKIS supports justice and freedom, until a new generation after the cooked project of Osama bin Laden is replaced by wiser brains.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 13 2025 2:04 utc | 124
I miss Hassan Nasrallah tonight.
I miss his speeches.
His humbleness, his vigor, his encouragement.
It’s a worse World without him in it.
That’s all I got to say for now.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 13 2025 4:07 utc | 125
demonic barbarians
https://x.com/Ahmed_hassan_za/status/1911197891315617907
Ahmed Hassan 🇾🇪 أحمد حسن زيد @Ahmed_hassan_za
Israel just bombed the surgical operations building at the Baptist Hospital and the medical oxygen generation station for intensive care patients in central Gaza City.
Ahmed Hassan 🇾🇪 أحمد حسن زيد @Ahmed_hassan_za
The IDF requested the evacuation of the Baptist Hospital in preparation for targeting it
They announce that they want to bomb A fking HOSPITAL
Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 13 2025 10:49 utc | 126
Don’t just watch the video clip – DO IT!
https://nitter.poast.org/PSCupdates/status/1911328555188826216#m
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 13 2025 10:53 utc | 127
Re: Tally
Arch – are IDF fighters patrolling inside the Gaza fence ? Are they making quick raids in/out of Gaza ? Are the holding any ground inside the Gaza Fence ? It’s unclear from the few reports I‘ve seen.
Posted by: Exile | Apr 13 2025 11:29 utc | 128
Re: Latest Hospital Bombing
The IDF proudly states they warned the civilians to evacuate …..18 minutes before the strike.
Imagine evacuating bedridden patients and amputee children with 18 minutes warning.
Posted by: Exile | Apr 13 2025 11:32 utc | 129
Adam is right, and that video is his reponse to the post by the demonic barbarian Political Jew’s post (the second link). see the 15-second video at the first link
https://x.com/AdameMedia/status/1911346199631708273
ADAM @AdameMedia
They blindfolded him, made him run and shot him for fun. For sport.
https://x.com/PoliticalJewTT/status/1909940649975050743
Political Jew 🇮🇱🎗️ @PoliticalJewTT
The idea that Israel willingly kills children and almost enjoys doing it is rooted in clear and obvious antisemitic imagery concealed by faux humanitarianism. As always, antisemitism has evolved with time and blended into the cultural codes of our time.
https://x.com/xIsraelExposedx/status/1910622115692228964
IsraelExposed @xIsraelExposedx
I’m in all Israeli telegrams and WhatsApp groups, with hundreds of thousands of people in each.
They celebrate and mock dead children and dead civilians daily.
https://x.com/Ineedtime8/status/1909980707352412446
Ineedtime @Ineedtime8
These zionist nazis think we’re all stupid.
https://x.com/AngelliAngelo/status/1911076168805265797
Angelo Angelli, JD @AngelliAngelo
It’s rooted in thousands of videos coming out of Gaza and interviews with rabbis advocating for the killing of children as well as Israel’s repeated reference to “Amalek” in connection with the Gaza genocide.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 13 2025 11:39 utc | 130
I see a parallel between Israel hating Palestinians because they are the indigenous residents of Palestine and
the Gulf Sunni monarchies hating their majority Shi’a populations.
It’s unimaginable that Saudi Arabia could use the USUKIS Genocide of Palestinians as cover for USUKIS’ HTS genociding Shi’a in Syria.
Are Israel and Saudi Arabia asserting their power over their local populations in exchange for Imperial approval?
Muslims know from the Qur’an that all Power is in the hands of Allah. Why then do these two mad sects seek power from the ignorant superpower?
Neither the Saudis nor Netanyahu can escape from the reality of politics here, that they are trading the lives of innocent populations with legitimate rights to exist, in exchange for being granted regional satrap power from the imperial power.
On Oct 7, Muslim Brotherhood were boasting that their political influence would overtake Saudi political influence as a consequence of Hamas’ challenge to Israel.
Does anybody care about these inter-Muslim rivalries, where US funds can pulverise Palestine to dust, and Saudi funds can round up Shi’a like sheep in Latakia.
Both Iqwan and Saud are colonial creations of the British Empire.
Are the two genocides simply Turf wars?
Israel, Iqwan and Saud need their heads banging together. None of them represent Islam, as understood by the Qur’an, the Gospels or the Torah.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 13 2025 12:19 utc | 131
michaelj72 131
It says in the Qur’an that the Jews changed God’s instructions for entering the gates of the City of their cousins , the Canaanites.
They were instructed to enter the city of the their cousins, the descendants of Ishmaeel , in humility, prostrating and asking for forgiveness from Allah.
Netanyahu’s quotes about the Ameleks are not from Allah.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 13 2025 12:26 utc | 132
There is an Arab saying that if two fish are fighting in the depths of the ocean, the cause of the fight was sown by the British Empire.
Boris Johnson and the Istanbul peace discussions refers. A stuffed parrot is sitting in 10 Downing Street, while the Nazi supporters Johnson and Cameron have been discreetly retired. I hope Trump finishes Britain off completely for its responsibility in Ukraine and West Asia.
If he has the balls.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 13 2025 12:42 utc | 133
Good old house of Saud. Getting preferred treatment from the US because they are willing to sell out the rest of the ME.:
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US Energy Secretary says the United States is approaching a historic partnership with Saudi Arabia.
US Energy Secretary says commercial nuclear development agreement with Saudi Arabia will be signed within months
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?after=190642&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
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UAE doing their part for the US war machine:
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The United Arab Emirates is providing a large portion of the fuel for U.S. strategic bombers and planes stationed on Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean
https://t.me/s/Middle_East_Spectator
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Missing medic is being held by IDF and is said to be alive:
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Palestinian Red Crescent: The Red Cross reported that paramedic Ahmed Al-Nasasra is being detained by the occupation forces after his fate was unknown.
Palestinian Red Crescent: Paramedic Ahmed Al-Nasasra, detained by the occupation, was among the paramedics previously targeted in Rafah.
Palestinian Red Crescent: We demand international pressure on the occupation to immediately release the paramedic after he was forcibly abducted while on duty.
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Gazaplatform?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
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Trigger warning on the photo of this Palestinian child in hospital for starvation and malnutrition:
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Famine is spreading in Gaza.
Gaza doesn’t have enough food for the children, while the world full of food is watching and doing nothing.
https://x.com/mhdksafa/status/1910965120114532531?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1910965120114532531%7Ctwgr%5Ea002e367ac133ff77a56e8dc5517bb7fed8ff3e9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nakedcapitalism.com%2F2025%2F04%2Flinks-4-13-2025.html
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Posted by: teri | Apr 13 2025 13:23 utc | 134
@125 Giyane
“There’s a big difference between people who seek refuge from politics in Britain and those who become part of the Nest of Spies in London, to influence London to get Israel to change the regime that rules their country.”
I agree, but the point was, and I think you covered that in a way in subsequent post, that the local populations do no deserve to be just abandoned to imperial race or turf wars of politics. Though I agree that there is inevitably weakness in local societies, that some individuals are more easily corrupted or have political ambition does not represent the local individuals. Often these societies are attacked until weakened, until differences allow corruption. It is easy to say a people should stand strong if they are worthy, but historically often they would just be mowed down, and currently in Gaza also.
“If Hamas wanted to beat Israel, they should have asked Russia for military assistance , and that is my point, that, ideologically, Political Islam, weirdly , thinks USUKIS are good people.”
Hamas perception is based on a single Palestine state, so to ask Russia, that supports a two state solution, for assistance to combat “Israel” which it recognises, does not make sense. I do not think Russia would help. Over the last year and a half there have been numerous pleas to all to intervene diplomatically, not even to fund or to arm, just to protest and sanction at a diplomatic level. Not even that.
Where you see political Islam, I try to define if it is an attempt to guide politics (which has existed since whenever) by Islamic practice or belief, or if it politics is using Islam as a purely political means. The results given are different. I could not easily differentiate (for lack of knowledge) , but actions speak louder than words as they say. In essence, politics includes territory, standing and wealth, none of which are ‘sins’ as such, but which if not handled with reason or wisdom quickly lead to corruption. I have no illusion about weaknesses of character of people, and arab or middle eastern peoples are no exception. They compete on a map drawn up by foreign empires for wealth and example provided by western nations in exchange for standing, and with oil as payment. It is a weak system, and many in the region are aware of this, of degradation and corruption, of loss of values.
Personally I could not tell locals to return to a more dificult basic existence either though, so there is that, an social and cultural upheaval of modernity where various western enterprises are fast to encroach.
Those that manage this modern providence are seen often seen as ‘good people’ by political factions though, simply because they are not so obviously directly confrontational, i.e. they now use soft power, incremental force, provide opportunity to those willing to coincide. The trouble is when anyone resists a wanted direction, as western influence will work its way in at various levels to narrow choices down to only those workable by the west in the larger picture.
“They , political Islam , won’t change their weird concept that USUKIS supports justice and freedom…”
Soft power again, where modern geopolitical reasoning is provided by the leading powers. They are the justice and control the freedom (western style) compared to return to more restrictive local values.
All spoken lightly, as in of impressions and observations but without any more critical thought.
@132 Giyane …something like that. We might differ on who/what main influences are.
@126 Trubind1
Similarly, though I did not think about that until you mentioned.
Posted by: Ornot | Apr 13 2025 13:31 utc | 135
Arch – are IDF fighters patrolling inside the Gaza fence ? Are they making quick raids in/out of Gaza ? Are the holding any ground inside the Gaza Fence ? It’s unclear from the few reports I‘ve seen.
Posted by: Exile | Apr 13 2025 11:29 utc | 129
From what I can gather:
1. There are patrols in the “buffer” zone inside the Gaza fence: the area outside Rafah.
– We know this because that’s where they committed the mass murder of medics and tried to hide their bodies.
2. There are periodic raids through the Netzarim Corridor – the corridor is not completely clear of IDF.
– Rumours here. Handle with care
However, the patrols and raids where they happen are nowhere on the scale of 2024 or January.
The IDF appear genuinely terrified of operating on the ground in Gaza – as evidenced by their almost exclusive use of air strikes.
The last reported clash between IDF and Hamas fighters was the one which destroyed a Merkava – and then nothing.
This despite the evidence that AQB are still operating in Northern Gaza (else whose been firing the barrages of rockets?).
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 13 2025 13:35 utc | 136
I have concluded that the only way to save Palestine and Palestinians is to destroy all the gulf monarchies and Turkey. They are the ones enabling Israel. Palestinians in Gaza and The West Bank are getting killed daily and these countries are helping Israel militarily, economically and through their media. These same monarchies have helped in the destruction of every secular Arab country from Iraq to Libya to Syria.
Qatar used Al Jazeera to spread lies about Gadafi. UAE and Saudi planes participated in the bombing and bribing generals to stand down and let Al Qaeda take over. Turkey was treating Al Qaeda then like it did later in Syria.
The air bases of all these countries were used then and are being used now.
Posted by: Georgie | Apr 13 2025 13:46 utc | 137
While the US State Dept. looks for “anti-Christian” sentiments amongst its employees, the biggest anti-Christians are living in our “best friend”, Israel, without any mention made in the US media regarding activities such as this (and we might remember the nuns killed and the Christian churches bombed in the past 18 months by the Israeli army):
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Israeli authorities prevented thousands of Christians from the West Bank from attending Palm Sunday services in Jerusalem.
According to Wafa news agency, Israeli forces blocked thousands of worshippers travelling from the West Bank from entering Jerusalem. Regulations require Palestinians to obtain special permits to enter religious sites in the Old City, including the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.
Access to the city was severely restricted, with only a limited number of Christians – mostly residents of Jerusalem and Palestinian citizens of Israel – able to attend services in the Old City.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/israel-prevents-thousands-palestinian-christians-attending-palm-sunday?nid=420885&topic=Gaza%2520Under%2520Attack&fid=543862
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Posted by: teri | Apr 13 2025 13:49 utc | 138
I went to a march for Plestine In Ottawa yesterday April 12. The march was organized by the Palestinian Youth Movement (PYM). The march occured on the backdrop of April 28 Canadian federal elections. The purpose 0f the march was to provide an opportunity for the candidates to articulate any level of support or empathy for the fate of the Palestinians in their homeland. No candidate came to the march as far as I can tell and my wife tells me there was no report on the march on nightly news (TV). However some reports stsrted to appear this morning.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/ottawa/article/national-pro-palestinian-rally-takes-place-in-ottawa-ahead-of-elections/
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/pro-palestinian-rally-ottawa-israel-hamas
I hope the march has some impact on voters anyway.
Posted by: Richard L | Apr 13 2025 13:49 utc | 139
Posted by: Richard L | Apr 13 2025 13:49 utc | 140
Thank you. Truly.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 13 2025 15:44 utc | 140
I have concluded that the only way to save Palestine and Palestinians is to destroy all the gulf monarchies and Turkey.
Posted by: Georgie | Apr 13 2025 13:46 utc | 138
You’re late. I concluded this 2 years ago. Laguerre jumped on me – apparently he thinks the fake Arab states the West created are ruled by indigenous leaders.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 13 2025 15:46 utc | 141
Arch – are IDF fighters patrolling inside the Gaza fence ? Are they making quick raids in/out of Gaza ? Are the holding any ground inside the Gaza Fence ? It’s unclear from the few reports I‘ve seen.
Posted by: Exile | Apr 13 2025 11:29 utc | 129
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 13 2025 13:35 utc | 137
No sooner had I spoken:
Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of Hamas, announced that its fighters detonated an explosive device targeting an ‘Israeli’ special forces unit east of Rafah, in the Abu al-Rous area of southern Gaza.
According to the group, the ‘Israeli’ unit had infiltrated the area when the pre-rigged house was detonated, causing multiple casualties among the soldiers, including both dead and wounded.
This marks the first ambush carried out by Qassam fighters since the resumption of ‘Israel’s’ military assault on Gaza on March 18, following the collapse of a temporary ceasefire.
(source: https://en.royanews.tv/news/58855)
I bet that “special forces” unit is going to be “special” in a whole new way from now on …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 13 2025 15:49 utc | 142
Despite that tragedy, the endless pictures of dead innocents scattered like cut flowers among the ruins, the endless videos of children’s bodies shattered in petals of blood, I can only stand amazed at the will to fight of the Palestinian people.
More than one year imprisoned under the combined hammer of the Anglo Zionist Empire, with the poorest of weapons and yet they make the colonizers tremble in fear.
Who are these people, these “Palestinians”?
The True Chosen People of God?
The Nephilim – descendants of the angels?
They are more than human.
Ascended man.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 13 2025 15:55 utc | 143
Posted by: teri | Apr 13 2025 13:49 utc | 139
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I have concluded that Western Christians are best modeled by the Hungarian Christians who are proud of their pager attack on Hezbollah that killed many children.
Christians do not care about other Christians.
Many Muslims generally don’t care about other Muslims.
On both sides, some of that is that the leaders are corrupt, and some is infowar. Many Muslims in the Gulf countries do not know, and if they do, their lives are kept very comfortable by the oil money.
IMO, materialism is hard-wired as a survival response. It is also most people’s most significant test to overcome.
That is where the Shaytan has a lot of his success.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 16:01 utc | 144
@ Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 13 2025 4:07 utc | 126
Nasrallah’s presence is absolutely missed during these depressing moments where it looks like there is no real resistance to what Israel is doing.
Posted by: Georgie | Apr 13 2025 16:05 utc | 145
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 13 2025 15:55 utc | 144
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Ansar Allah as well.
I like to think that this is the best of what humans are capable of, as the other side is an example of what the worst looks like.
Transcending the fear of death can unlock another level of what humans are capable of.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 16:14 utc | 146
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 13 2025 15:46 utc | 142
Since you have thought about it longer than I have, how do you think it should be done? All the greedy traitors seem to have total control of their populations. They do not allow protests for Palestine and in places like Jordan where people can protest, it is very controlled and people have been jailed for showing support for Palestinians.
I think if one of them is destroyed, the cracks will start in the others.
Posted by: Georgie | Apr 13 2025 16:26 utc | 147
Posted by: Georgie | Apr 13 2025 16:05 utc | 146
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Never lose heart. As the saying goes, it is always darkest before the dawn.
Every day I hear more and more about how Israel is eating itself from within, and we get constant reports now of the US hitting its limits.
We don’t hear much about Israel’s internal problems because the Empire of Lies is founded on relentless propaganda and demoralizing the citizens such that they never push back. Also, keeping people invested in the narrative of unending victory.
I’m not saying that victory is around the corner, but the end of Israel is closer today than any other day in the last 50 years. These things have a momentum, and once the state gets wobbly on its pedestal, it can (and usually does) fall on its own.
Israel is UNTENABLE and becomes more so with every day.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 16:26 utc | 148
Many Muslims in the Gulf countries do not know, and if they do, their lives are kept very comfortable by the oil money.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 16:01 utc | 145
All Muslims in the Gulf countries know what is going on and just do not care or are scared of their governments. Excuses can be made for Muslims that do not neighbor colonized Palestine because they are far and can not do anything but those close only deserve to wear the badge of shame. Isn’t Al-Aqsa mosque supposed to be one of the most holiest sites in Islam? Where is the concern for its destruction by these Muslim populations? How does the population even continue to listen to the clerics that dare not speak about it in countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Bahrain where a whole mosque was shut down because the Imam was talking about Gaza? Why isn’t the Arab street rising up? They too are enabling this genocide.
Posted by: Georgie | Apr 13 2025 16:42 utc | 149
I am listening to a podcast where the guest is KJ Noh.
He’s talking about how the American strategy with China was to bring it into the WTO and collapse the regime by exposing the internal contradictions of that system, as they think they did to the Soviets.
I see Israel with fatal contradictions, and we’re starting to see them surface all at once.
This is a primitive analytical game I play: argue the other side.
How can Israel become as strong as it was 10 years ago? What would have to happen?
How to restore tourism, economy, and shipping, and bring all of those people who fled to come back? How to diminish the reputations of Hamas, Ansar Allah, and Hezbollah? How to get Gen Z in the West to be sympathetic to Zionism again?
How to knit Israeli public life back together when it is hyper-fractured with street protests and military and intelligence forces refusing to report for duty?
How to overcome the child sexual molestation scandal in Bibi’s government, just now coming to light?
It is not 1991.
Sinwar elevated Israel to the world stage on Oct 7th. He knew that the Zionist state thrived in darkness, and he turned up the lights so that everyone could see the monster.
What has been seen, cannon be unseen.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 16:56 utc | 150
Posted by: Georgie | Apr 13 2025 16:42 utc | 150
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Everyone is complicit. Including you and me.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 16:58 utc | 151
I posted this on another discussion.
An Israeli TV presenter saying the quiet part out loud.
Subtitled video
https://x.com/Partisangirl/status/1911379457933259176
I don’t know if people understand this. The evil goes far beyond what we’ve seen. It’s ambition is endless.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 17:17 utc | 152
Jehad Abusalim
@JehadAbusalim
Remember my post about Palestinian Christians in Gaza celebrating Palm Sunday yesterday? This is how they woke up. The Baptist hospital and church Israel bombed is just minutes from St. Porphyrius Church. Israel is annihilating Gaza’s Christian past, present, and future.
https://x.com/JehadAbusalim/status/1911402081526731203
Posted by: MenJehad Abusalim @J | Apr 13 2025 17:31 utc | 153
jeremy scahill
@jeremyscahill
Israeli military spokesperson Lt. Col. Peter Lerner October 18, 2023: “Hospitals are not a target; we would never target a hospital.”
Throughout the ensuing 18 months, Israel deliberately attacked every hospital in Gaza.
Eye on Palestine
@EyeonPalestine
Massive destruction struck the Baptist Hospital after it was bombed by two air-to-ground missiles from the Israeli warplanes, which completely destroyed the emergency building and caused damage to the reception and emergency departments, following the evacuation of nurses and patients.
https://x.com/jeremyscahill/status/1911332519271629272
Posted by: Menz | Apr 13 2025 17:33 utc | 154
Drop Site
@DropSiteNews
🚨 Media Committee in Tulkarm
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April 12-13, 2025
Ongoing Israeli Aggression on Tulkarm: Forced Displacement, Arrest Campaigns, and Continuous Explosions in Nour Shams Camp
📍Tulkarm City
▪️ Israeli forces have continued their assault on Tulkarm city for the 76th consecutive day.
▪️ More than 800 civilians—including women and children—were forcibly evacuated from residential buildings in the northern neighborhood facing Tulkarm Camp.
▪️ Five buildings housing dozens of families, including those displaced from Tulkarm and Nour Shams, were seized and converted into military positions.
▪️ Occupation forces took over additional homes on Nablus Street and in the northern city, turning them into outposts and surrounding them with vehicles.
▪️ Checkpoints have intensified, especially along Nablus Street and the Jabara Bridge gate, restricting movement.
▪️ Heavily armed forces, including “Eitan” armored carriers, stormed the city and stationed near Al-Salam roundabout, stopping vehicles and checking IDs.
▪️ Bulldozers carried out destruction near the Zeinat gas station and other areas, damaging streets and civilian infrastructure.
▪️ Nablus Street remains heavily militarized, with dirt mounds blocking access in both directions.
▪️ Raids were carried out in the Thannaba neighborhood and Deir Al-Ghusoun. Homes were vandalized and residents detained, interrogated, and abused.
📍 Nour Shams Camp
▪️ The assault on Nour Shams Camp has entered its 63rd day.
▪️ Heavy gunfire and explosions were reported as military reinforcements, including infantry and armored vehicles, entered the camp.
▪️ The camp remains besieged, with homes in Al-Mahjar neighborhood raided and young men detained for field interrogations.
▪️ Bulldozers destroyed roads and damaged gravesites near the cemetery bridge area.
▪️ In nearby Tulkarem Camp, soldiers were deployed in the Abu Al-Foul neighborhood, firing flares and conducting searches.
Casualties and Displacement
▪️ 13 Palestinians have been martyred, including a child and two women—one of them eight months pregnant.
▪️ Dozens have been injured or arrested since the start of the campaign.
▪️ Over 4,000 families from Tulkarm and Nour Shams Camps have been forcibly displaced, along with dozens more from the northern city neighborhoods.
▪️ 396 homes have been completely destroyed and 2,573 partially damaged in Tulkarem and Nour Shams.
▪️ Dirt barriers continue to seal off entrances and alleyways in both camps.
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1911459254306758961
Posted by: Menz | Apr 13 2025 17:36 utc | 155
Drop Site
@DropSiteNews
🟢 Senior Hamas Official and Member of Hamas Political Bureau, Basem Naim:
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Our delegation is in Cairo today to discuss how to end the war, open the crossings for humanitarian aid, and explore the possibility of activating the decision to form the Community Support Committee, which has become a point of Palestinian-Arab-Islamic consensus and also has international acceptance.
This committee would manage governance affairs at all levels, prepare the conditions necessary for reconstruction, and work to unify institutions between Gaza and the West Bank in cooperation with the government in Ramallah, based on the unity of Palestinian land and the political system.
We are dealing with any new proposal with high responsibility and positivity, based on ending the war and the withdrawal of enemy forces.
The situation is complex, with regional abandonment on one hand, and painful international complicity or incapacity on the other. The cost is great, but our Palestinian people and their resistance are well aware of the enemy’s plans and intentions to prolong the war for personal and internal reasons. Therefore, they will not give up their legitimate right to end the war, secure the withdrawal of forces, reconstruction, and their political rights, including an independent Palestinian state with Al-Quds as its capital.
The enemy will not see us broken or fall into the trap of turning the whole process into just a prisoner exchange, only to resume the aggression and massacre afterward.
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1911447295603655000
Posted by: Menz | Apr 13 2025 17:37 utc | 156
Leaked Data Reveals Massive Israeli Campaign to Remove Pro-Palestine Posts on Facebook and Instagram
Waqas Ahmed
Apr 12, 2025
A sweeping crackdown on posts on Instagram and Facebook that are critical of Israel—or even vaguely supportive of Palestinians—was directly orchestrated by the government of Israel, according to internal Meta data obtained by Drop Site News. The data show that Meta has complied with 94% of takedown requests issued by Israel since October 7, 2023. Israel is the biggest originator of takedown requests globally by far, and Meta has followed suit—widening the net of posts it automatically removes, and creating what can be called the largest mass censorship operation in modern history.
Government requests for takedowns generally focus on posts made by citizens inside that government’s borders, Meta insiders said. What makes Israel’s campaign unique is its success in censoring speech in many countries outside of Israel. What’s more, Israel’s censorship project will echo well into the future, insiders said, as the AI program Meta is currently training how to moderate content will base future decisions on the successful takedown of content critical of Israel’s genocide.
MORE…
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/leaked-data-israeli-censorship-meta
Posted by: Menz | Apr 13 2025 17:41 utc | 157
The British-Israeli soldiers at risk of Gaza war crimes probe
UK nationals are fighting on the frontline in Gaza, helping Israel’s military enforce its “total siege” over millions of Palestinians.
HAMZA YUSUF
10 June 2024
British nationals are serving in some of Israel’s “craziest” combat units in Gaza where they view Palestinian fighters as “rats” and “animals”.
The soldiers have pledged to “kill these sons of whores” and “start pummelling them again”.
Declassified has gathered names and photographs of 15 Britons who have recently fought for Israel, and has partially identified another ten.
They are among at least 80 UK nationals who the Foreign Office knows to have enlisted in the IDF but is doing nothing to stop.
One of the soldiers, master sergeant Sam Sank, filmed himself fighting in Gaza between December 2023 and January 2024.
Declassified showed the footage to open source intelligence analyst Alysia Alexandra who located the neighbourhood where it was taken.
Her analysis, together with other videos geolocated by Bellingcat and testimony from a Palestinian community news page, give reasonable grounds for suspecting that Sank was in the Gazan border settlement of Khuza’a while it was being flattened by the IDF during his two-month tour.
Israel’s top human rights group, B’Tselem, has described the IDF’s operation to create a buffer zone in Khuza’a throughout that period as a “war crime”.
“The military demolished the entire town, including residential buildings and mosques,” B’Tselem said, warning that the level of destruction was disproportionate and “violates a basic principle of international humanitarian law”.
Sank filmed a neighbourhood being demolished while his unit laughed and cheered. The footage strongly resembles other videos of demolitions in Khuza’a. Sank did not initially respond to a request for comment. He later denied to Declassified having served in Khuza’a.
When discussing his video with another journalist, Sank said: “Israeli soldiers were killed at that specific spot, so after weeks of fighting, we were able to locate the tunnel entrances.”
Sank said his men felt “a sense of achievement” watching the demolition, “knowing that we had killed Hamas terrorists that were still hiding underneath.”
MORE…
https://www.declassifieduk.org/the-british-israeli-soldiers-at-risk-of-gaza-war-crimes-probe/
Posted by: Menz | Apr 13 2025 17:44 utc | 158
pal74press telegram
“The European Union:
– Announcing the launch of the first high-level political dialogue with the Palestinian Authority tomorrow, Monday
– The Palestinian Authority is our main interlocutor, and Hamas does not represent the Palestinians
– We will announce tomorrow €1.6 billion in aid to support the Palestinian Authority’s reform plan”
Meanwhile the US “guarantees discussion”…”if”…
Journalist Youssef Fares
“Channel 12:
The US administration conveyed a message to Hamas stating: “If you agree to the proposal, there will be a serious and real discussion about ending the war, and they (the Americans) guarantee that.”
Posted by: Ornot | Apr 13 2025 17:49 utc | 160
see the video and photos at the third link. heartening
https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1910995729260195946
Iran Observer @IranObserver0
⚡️BREAKING
Iran has proposed to the United States a nuclear-free Middle East, including a completely denuclearised Israel
https://x.com/s_m_marandi/status/1911053333877366972
Seyed Mohammad Marandi @s_m_marandi
The only issues under negotiation in Oman are sanctions and the nuclear program.
The indirect talks will not be lengthy.
Ignore Western fake news.
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/17254
Middle East Spectator – MES
— 🇵🇸/🇧🇩 NEW: Today in Bangladesh one of the largest pro-Palestine gatherings in the entire world was held, with almost a million people in attendance.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 13 2025 18:17 utc | 161
complicity, and barbarians
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/17272
Middle East Spectator – MES
— 🇺🇸/🇦🇪/🇮🇷 NEW: The United Arab Emirates is providing a large portion of the fuel for U.S. strategic bombers and planes stationed on Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean
https://x.com/RyanRozbiani/status/1911252507390595448
Ryan Rozbiani @RyanRozbiani
Israel has bombed Baptist Hospital in Gaza City
Two airstrikes have destroyed the emergency unit, main entrance, and the medical oxygen facility of al-Ahli Arab Baptist Hospital in Gaza City—crippling critical care for intensive patients.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 13 2025 18:44 utc | 162
The latest from Jeff Sachs via a ZH posting link
The Most Important 4-Minutes On America’s Middle East Wars We Have Ever Heard
https://twitter.com/i/status/1911004324030804288
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 13 2025 19:31 utc | 163
see the 1:37 video at the first link, of the massive rally in Yemen for the Palestinians of Gaza
https://x.com/Ahmed_hassan_za/status/1911421803731222819
Ahmed Hassan 🇾🇪 أحمد حسن زيد @Ahmed_hassan_za
History has never brought such a people , my folks are the best
https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1911489101947085150
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
🚨 ⚡️ The Yemeni Armed Forces carried out two operations today:
1) targeted the Sdot Micha Air Base east of Ashdod with a “Palestine 2” Ballistic Missile, and Ben Gurion Airport with a “Zulfiqar” BM.
2) targeted a vital Israeli target in the Ashkelon region with a Drone.
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/us-aggression-targets-yemen-at-midnight
US aggression targets Yemen at midnight
US warplanes launched strikes on two governorates on Saturday, in a continued weeks-long assault.
….According to Al Mayadeen’s correspondent, five airstrikes struck the vocational institute in the al-Sawma’ah District, located east of al-Bayda Governorate. The strikes reportedly caused significant damage to the facility, which serves as a key educational and training center in the region……
….On Friday, millions flooded Al-Sabeen square, in the capital Sanaa, and over 450 main and branchial squares across 14 Yemeni governorates in a massive show of solidarity with the Palestinian people, their Resistance, and the Yemeni Armed Forces under the banner “Jihad, Steadfastness, and Heroism… We Will Not Abandon Gaza.”
The Yemeni rallies, which reaffirmed Yemen’s firm solidarity with Palestine, issued a statement declaring, “We will not let Gaza down, and we will not leave its people alone. We say again: you are not alone.”…..
Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 13 2025 19:43 utc | 164
Laguerre jumped on me – apparently he thinks the fake Arab states the West created are ruled by indigenous leaders.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 13 2025 15:46 utc | 142
Oh really? Are they not which ones are not ruled by native Arab rulers?
Posted by: laguerre | Apr 13 2025 19:45 utc | 165
About the Resistance strategy for conducting negotiations in light of current horrific conditions in Gaza:
88 Ornot. Thank you for this link — “The greatest danger lies in allowing the enemy to monopolize the card of military and political escalation. A weak or flexible response to this escalation will gradually weaken the negotiating position , opening the door to offering piecemeal concessions under the weight of constant pressure. This will distance us completely from the path to stopping the war and bring our people closer to facing forced displacement with their backs exposed—a scenario that must be avoided at all costs.
For example, sitting down for negotiations itself must be treated as a pressure card . Furthermore, the ceiling of demands in the face of military operations must be raised, such as increasing the number of prisoners to be released and introducing new conditions, such as demanding financial compensation for the massive destruction of civilian infrastructure and civilian homes.
All these elements turn negotiations into a true battlefield, transforming the negotiating table itself into a weapon against criminals devoid of any human or moral sense. Dealing with them becomes all about force, because that’s the only language they understand and obey.” (Behind the Lines)
157 Menz from Drop Site
@DropSiteNews, quoting Senior Hamas Official and Member of Hamas Political Bureau, Basem Naim:
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“Our delegation is in Cairo today to discuss how to end the war, open the crossings for humanitarian aid, and explore the possibility of activating the decision to form the Community Support Committee, which has become a point of Palestinian-Arab-Islamic consensus and also has international acceptance ….Our Palestinian people… will not give up their legitimate right to end the war, secure the withdrawal of forces, reconstruction, and their political rights, including an independent Palestinian state with Al-Quds as its capital.
The enemy will not see us broken or fall into the trap of turning the whole process into just a prisoner exchange, only to resume the aggression and massacre afterward.”
Love Donbass @122
That’s interesting that you bought up khmeimim base and the current level of activity there. I don’t suppose you have any information on the fate of those 8,000 or so Alawite/ Christian refugees that sought sanctuary there ?
I refer you to poster ‘stonebird’ and comment #41 in the previous Palestine thread with a referral to their forced eviction and rounding up by these murderous HTS ragheads. The Syrian Telegram account ‘stonebird’ referred to gives no detail as to their fate.
I don’t comment here, I usually like mixing it with Southfront’s contributors which can be quite entertaining. Two days ago there was an article on an Alawite cleric’s concern for the group’s safety. After multiple attempts to comment on the Syrian Telegram account of this eviction, I managed to post a non specific comment alluding to this, without being censored . Yesterday when I checked, this article was missing , deleted, and that’s after scrolling through past articles.
For Southfront, that’s a bit radical to say the least. I don’t think that any western ‘legacy’ media outlets have even touched this.
It looks to me like a cover up for a very dirty act. All those devoted ‘putinistas’ of the western blogosphere should take note.
@166 laguerre
It is possible he means they are ruled from Washington, or similar ?
Posted by: Ornot | Apr 13 2025 20:25 utc | 168
From the Cradle
Yemeni Armed Forces announces the downing of a US MQ-9 drone over Hajjah Governorate, the 19th since 7 October, 2023.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 20:49 utc | 169
Posted by: Rosco | Apr 13 2025 20:24 utc | 168
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The last I had heard about the refugees on the Russian airbase was that the Russians had set up temporary school rooms for the children. That would have been 3 or 4 days ago.
I don’t dislike Southfront, but I seldom read it. I think everyone is compromised (I imagine most are, it is what I would do if I were TPTB) and only trust news I see shared by a variety of disparate independent outlets.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 20:52 utc | 170
6 brothers in one family killed in Gaza. They were in the family vehicle, delivering food to neighbors who needed it. All six were killed when the IDF bombed their car.
2-minute video at link.
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WATCH: Grief, condemnation as Israeli strike kills 6 volunteer brothers delivering food in Gaza
Israeli strike kills six volunteer brothers delivering food in Gaza, sparking grief and condemnation
https://aje.io/qp87tb?update=3641811
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Posted by: teri | Apr 13 2025 20:53 utc | 171
It is the case that reactionary Arab leaders have contributed to the aggression on the Palestinian people from the beginning, which framework is always a dynamic of colonial projects.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 13 2025 19:31 utc | 164
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I commented on this and it got lost, I think.
Great video of Sachs, who is normally so mild-mannered. It displays the moral urgency that is starting to emerge globally against Israel.
The ideal outcome is not a moment of defeat for the IDF, but to make the idea of an Israeli state impossible in the region. No support from other states (support and normalization were the purpose of the Abraham Accords). The cost to operate in occupied Palestine, like so many other failed colonial projects, must outweigh the benefits.
I secretly hope things kick off with Iran and America stops feeling safe doing anything in the region anymore, including through its proxies (KSA, UAE, Turkiye) that have funded the genocide.
While the holy cities of Mecca and Medina are in KSA, there is very little love around the world for the House of Saud, or the corrupt Emiratis who have funded civil war in Sudan.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 21:35 utc | 173
meanwhile, back at the ranch
see the 12-second video at the first link
https://x.com/s_m_marandi/status/1910351162571686149
Seyed Mohammad Marandi @s_m_marandi
The collective West is starving Palestinian children before the eyes of the world.
#GazaHolocaust
https://x.com/xIsraelExposedx/status/1902119096042262839
IsraelExposed @xIsraelExposedx
There is a telegram channel with 300,000 Israelis that sits around and laughs at videos of dead children all day. Heres a screenshot.
The group is called ‘The Shadow’, and is run by ‘Yoav Eliasi’
https://x.com/blackintheempir/status/1910732446078829045
Black in the Empire @blackintheempir
Iraq didn’t have WMDs, Gaddafi didnt give soldiers Viagra, babies weren’t thrown out of incubators in Kuwait, Assad didn’t use chemicals weapons in Douma, and we lost to the Taliban
Russia was provoked, Israel is committing a genocide, and our Govt doesn’t care about Freedom, Democracy or Human Rights
Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 13 2025 22:45 utc | 174
B.M.
@ireallyhateyou
It’s a good time to mention that one of Orit Strook’s sons, Zviki Strook, was once convicted and sentenced to two and a half years in prison for abducting and torturing a 15-year-old Palestinian child. He got out 9 months early.
More of the horrible details:
“The incident occurred in July 2007, when Strook – along with another person – kidnapped and beat the Palestinian boy. The two then took the boy to an open field. There they continued to beat him, stripped him of his clothes, and then threw him with his face covered and his hands tied. He remained tied for hours, and only after he managed to free himself, did he manage to reach a nearby road, from where passersby picked him up and took him back to his village. He was hospitalized in Nablus and was diagnosed with bruises and cuts all over his body. In addition to that incident, Strook was convicted of slapping the same boy in the face and kicking to death a new-born baby goat that was with the boy at the time.”
Minister Strook lives in the Jewish settlement in Hebron and has 11 children.
https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1909746600181645740
Posted by: Menz | Apr 14 2025 5:15 utc | 175
Pressed for evidence against Mahmoud Khalil, government cites its power to deport people for beliefs
By JAKE OFFENHARTZ
Updated 10:23 AM GMT+10, April 11, 2025
NEW YORK (AP) — Facing a deadline from an immigration judge to turn over evidence for its attempted deportation of Columbia University activist Mahmoud Khalil, the federal government has instead submitted a brief memo, signed by Secretary of State Marco Rubio, citing the Trump administration’s authority to expel noncitizens whose presence in the country damages U.S. foreign policy interests.
The two-page memo, which was obtained by The Associated Press, does not allege any criminal conduct by Khalil, a legal permanent U.S. resident and graduate student who served as spokesperson for campus activists last year during large demonstrations against Israel’s treatment of Palestinians and the war in Gaza.
Rather, Rubio wrote Khalil could be expelled for his beliefs.
He said that while Khalil’s activities were “otherwise lawful,” letting him remain in the country would undermine “U.S. policy to combat anti-Semitism around the world and in the United States, in addition to efforts to protect Jewish students from harassment and violence in the United States.”
“Condoning anti-Semitic conduct and disruptive protests in the United States would severely undermine that significant foreign policy objective,” Rubio wrote in the undated memo.
https://apnews.com/article/mahmoud-khalil-columbia-university-trump-c60738368171289ae43177660def8d34
Posted by: Menz | Apr 14 2025 5:18 utc | 176
Oh really? Are they not which ones are not ruled by native Arab rulers?
Posted by: laguerre | Apr 13 2025 19:45 utc | 166
The king of Jordan, for one.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 14 2025 6:25 utc | 177
The king of Jordan, for one.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 14 2025 6:25 utc | 178
The current dictator of Syria for another.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 14 2025 6:26 utc | 178
Our friend Michael, a young sniper in the IOF, clearly enjoys his work. He and his buddies have an informal contest to see who can pick off the most children every day. Some of them, like Michael, can’t resist the competitive kick, though they have to buy beer for all the other guys every time they triumph as the day’s “top gun.”
I have a question for Michael, but he’s busy as Hell lining up another little head in his telescopic sight, so he has no time for me: Michael, are you religious? Do you approach blowing up little skulls as a religious duty, or is it just something your religion tolerates as a harmless diversion, like raping prisoners?
Are these fair questions? Caitlin Johnstone aside, practically everyone thinks there’s something offensive about asking whether Judaism is implicated in world-warping crimes of the Jewish State. I honestly don’t know — because USA is also neckdeep in the blood of Palestinians, in the same permanent perdition, mainly thanks to (self-styled) Christian Zionists.
Either side of the Atlantic, it’s beyond Pollyannish delusion to pretend religious dysfunction is playing no role in “this hell” (as Craig Murray describes our world). If it’s truly Jewish to celebrate indiscriminate slaughter, if it’s truly Christian to stand with the butchers of Gaza, then perhaps the world has experienced enough of such “great” religions. If religion does more harm than good, what was supposed to be the point of “spiritual” study? Working out for a hardened heart, so you can kill more children tomorrow?
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 14 2025 7:05 utc | 179
@ Menz | Apr 14 2025 5:18 utc | 177
USA’s interest in persecuting Mahmoud Khalil is nothing personal. We needed somebody to make an example of with qualifications such as: (1) “antisemitic” (aka antizionist) activism, (2) troublemaking US citizen wife, (3) Columbia! — OMG how could we find a better target?
To be clear, this hasn’t much to do with Khalil’s visibility, or with shutting down protest, or with squashing higher education. If you’re not seeing that yet, it’s only because you’re squinting. Too close to the page. At the 50,000 foot view, Khalil’s public scourging is about all of those things and more.
The most important message the fascist state intends from such actions is difficult to seriously credit because it sounds absurd if torn from the fascist mindframe: We’re doing this because we can.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 14 2025 7:33 utc | 180
For example-Ruled out: Australia deports Djokovic for being unvaccinated
Posted by: Peru | Apr 14 2025 7:08 utc | 181
Djokovic travelled to Australia on a Subclass 408 Visa that permits individuals to travel to Australia temporarily for specific circumstances including elite sporting events.
KHalil is a lawful permanent residency in the U.S. under the green card program and is also married to a US citizen.
Djokovic also lied about his vacination status, a big deal in Australia at the time, Khalil has never lied or broken any law.
In any case, the US authorities seem to have the power to depart any non citizen for any reason, especially those that do not agree with their ideology.
Posted by: Menz | Apr 14 2025 7:35 utc | 181
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 14 2025 7:33 utc | 182
Agreed.
Posted by: Menz | Apr 14 2025 7:37 utc | 182
No new thread?
This is too delicious to be left standing.
‘ 📹 THROWBACK: Hardcore Zionist Douglas Murray says ‘WESTERN CIVILIZATION WOULD DIE’ without Israel
“Western civilization could not survive the destruction of the Jewish state because it would be, among much else, the cutting away of the whole tree that we’re on,” Murray claims.
He says that the Jewish people are now facing “the existential threat,” which is “not just about the Jewish people” but “it’s about America.”
“Could America survive if the Jewish people were no more on its watch? Or if everybody was forcibly deported from the Holy Land? Come on, of course not,” the British journalist concluded. ‘
https://t.me/geopolitics_live/48309
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Please please do you promise Duggy?
Will you shrivel and melt too!
Please tell me that is so.
And hurry up doing it.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 14 2025 12:42 utc | 183
We must unfortunately consider the possibility that Khalil cannot be returned because he is dead.
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 14 2025 12:48 utc | 184
We must unfortunately consider the possibility that Khalil cannot be returned because he is dead.
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 14 2025 12:48 utc | 186
I don’t fear his death, I fear the condition they’ll return him in and what they will compel him to say.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 14 2025 13:13 utc | 185
@ Arch Bungle | Apr 14 2025 13:13 utc | 187
I wouldn’t be too hasty to assume that Khalil will be returned in any condition.
Right now it’s Trump versus the courts, and Trump is winning. Which is no surprise because the courts lack armed forces with which to enforce its rulings.
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 14 2025 13:19 utc | 186
“Western civilization could not survive the destruction of the Jewish state because it would be, among much else, the cutting away of the whole tree that we’re on,” Murray claims
Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 14 2025 12:42 utc | 185
Murray is a pillock, but on this point he is quite correct.
The entirety of Western Civilisation is a Jewish construct.
In fact, I’m beginning to wonder if there is such a thing as a “Westerner” at all.
I’m beginning to think that perhaps Westerners are merely low-caste crypto Jews.
Think about it:
1. Their God is a Jew. Proclaimed the Jews His chosen people.
2. Their first prophets are all Jews.
3. Their Bible derived from a watered down version of the Jewish scriptures.
4. Their Scientific establishment is controlled and run buy Jews (no longer a conspiracy theory, provable by analysis of the power hierarchy). Moreover their foremost scientific minds are Jews.
5. All their media is owned or controlled by Jews from social media to the legacy newspapers “of record”
6. That part of their political establishment which decides world affairs is run by Jews
7. Their most powerful financial institutions from G.S to Blackrock are controlled by Jews
8. Their Legal System is controlled by Jews, who insert preferential laws for Jews
9. Their leaders declare their primary allegiance to be the ‘Jewish State’ above that of their own people.
10. Their foremost thought leaders and media influence personalities are almost all Jews
11. Their entertainment industry from music to movies is all either financed, controlled or creatively directed by Jews
12. Their criminal networks from the biggest drug empires to sexual exploitation to human trafficking – owned and operated by Jews.
13. The moral norms propagated through their society through media, music, pornography – Jew run. Factual.
Here I’m only touching the surface!
You can go on about tinfoil hats and anti-semitism all you want but the facts speak for themselves.
No, Murray is that broken clock that happens to be right this once today.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 14 2025 13:30 utc | 187
From the Ukraine thread:
Let us be honest and say (and write) Anti Jewish or just Anti-Zionism when we wish to take issue with the excesses of the (supposed) adherents to the Jewish faith (religion/philosophy).
@ Barrel Brown | Apr 14 2025 6:02 utc | 101
Honesty is (usually) your best policy with inquiries from dear ones, but it has nothing at all to do with decisions about which words to use. Word-choice is about philology, not honesty (something I learned from Nietzsche!)
There’s no question the word “antisemitism” (in its various spellings), whatever its scholarly context might once have been, has been absolutely buried under an intense campaign of thought-control via language-control. The correct response to such absurdly verbal oppression is to concede the stupid victory. That’s what “the impressionists” did: adopting someone else’s slur as a point of pride.
Pathological hatred of Jews has been a real thing since zero BC. Too bad we’ll have to shift terms, because we now need “antisemitic” as verbal revenge, as a respectful way to describe defenders of Palestine.
From now on, this here is MoA’s “antisemitic” thread for me.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 14 2025 13:38 utc | 188
From now on, this here is MoA’s “antisemitic” thread for me.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 14 2025 13:38 utc | 191
And just like that you no longer need to worry about all those beheaded Palestinian babies. Good for you, man!
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 14 2025 13:49 utc | 189
Arch Bungle | Apr 14 2025 13:49 utc | 192
Your logic is impenetrable.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 14 2025 14:06 utc | 190
To recapitulate, the following was referenced in my post 118, in this thread:
Miranda Cleland of Defense for Children International – Palestine,
Q: “How you ever thought through ‘what’s the strategic reason to shoot a child? What message should we take from a military that would target children?’”
A: “I’ve thought about it a lot and the only conclusion I can come to is that Israeli soldiers are shooting Palestinian children because they want to. And I think they do it because they are allowed to and nobody has stopped them.”
The brutality of the truth here hurts like hell, rings like tinnitus. They kill babies because they want to.
What to make of this? How did we wind up with baby-killing as a fascist recreation?
Zionists are consumed by perverse pride, to one-up Nazi atrocites of the 1930’s and ’40’s.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 14 2025 14:17 utc | 191
Aleph_Null | Apr 14 2025 7:05 utc | 180 “(as Craig Murray describes our world)”
DunGroanin | Apr 14 2025 12:42 utc | 185 “Hardcore Zionist Douglas Murray says…”
Arch @ 13:30 189 – Important not to confuse the two Murrays. Initial or first name helps.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 14 2025 14:23 utc | 192
I will repeat for the umpteenth time that taking the term antisemitic seriously may be a sign of severe mental retardation.
To be a victim of antisemitism, one would have to first be a Semite. Ashkenazi Israelis of Western origin are not Semitic.
The term was coined in the late 19th century, the same time as American death cult “Christianity”.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 14 2025 14:31 utc | 193
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 14 2025 14:17 utc | 194
#########
Simpler answer. Like many Western “Christians”, Israelis worship Satan and evil.
There is nothing Holy about the occupation except the whole of existence devotion to God by the victims.
Saying that they are LARPing as Nazis is whitewashing, IMO.
This is what colonialism is. Brutality and atrocity.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 14 2025 14:39 utc | 194
@ michaelj72 | Apr 13 2025 18:44 utc | 163
Israel’s cruelty has no limits. It is not enough to bomb people in their tents or streets, they need to destroy the hospitals too so that they can not get medical treatment. They did the same in Lebanon when they bombed the building Nasrallah’s cousin was in. Then prevented the paramedics from reaching him and everyone that was there.
They are truly evil. It might take a while but their punishment will be harsh. No mercy for them. Every generation of the Palestinian resistance is more determined than the previous one and better advanced militarily. The new group that will form after Hamas or when Hamas decides to cool things, will be brutal.
It appears Turkey is going to try repeating its success in Syria of installing ISIS/Al Qaeda first in South Yemen and probably expanding to North Yemen that is ruled by AnsarAllah.
Tomorrow, a new political entity will be announced in Hadramawt with Turkish support, headed by a Yemeni politician in direct contact with Syrian President Ahmad al-Sharaa.
The movement includes several Yemeni political figures close to the armed Syrian factions currently ruling Syria.
This is the first Yemeni political entity with direct support from the Turkish government, signaling that Turkey has officially decided to enter the political arena in Yemen. ”
@Aldanmarki
Posted by: Georgie | Apr 14 2025 14:52 utc | 195
@ Arch Bungle | Apr 14 2025 13:30 utc | 189
The point of departure between Arch and me might be more apparent than actual.
For enhanced clarity I’ll drop the hopelessly polluted term “antisemitism” in this note.
I’ve made the bland observation that Jew-hatred goes back to the birth of Christianity.
(That was the result of James Carroll’s diligent investigation entitled “Constantine’s Sword.”)
Jew-hatred literally glitters from the Gospels, as all reflective exegetes know.
The seed of modern Jewishness sprouted simultaneously with anti-Jewishness.
Simultaneously with the birth of Christianity.
It didn’t happen instantly, like the birth of Christ. The chronological progress of the Gospels
[Mark, Luke, Matthew, John]
displays the gradual birth of Jew-hatred in the teachings of the “Evangelists”
from Mark, whose Jesus is more or less Jewish; to John, who really hated Jews.
I don’t think hatred is good for the hater. Though anger is often most appropriate,
hatred corrodes the soul.
Arch appears to argue that Jew-hatred is appropriate. Perhaps that Hitler should have finished the job?
Such arguments shouldn’t be treated dismissively. Jew-hatred is a strong enough
historical toxin to serve as the fundament of global fascism, in the guise of Zionism.
Jew-hatred is just as vital to USrael’s global fascism as are Israel’s hundreds of nukes.
There would not be an Israel without geostrategic terror, UN-sponsored since 1948.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 14 2025 15:04 utc | 196
@ Posted by: Menz | Apr 13 2025 17:36 utc | 156
This is why Israel and the EU love the Palestinian Authority. They allow Israel to commit these crimes. The PA has to be dismantled inorder to build a unified Palestinian resistance.
Abbas is a traitor. Yasser Arafat would not have allowed this to happen. Killing Palestinians youth in service of Israel is an unforgivable act.
Everyone is complicit. Including you and me.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 13 2025 16:58 utc | 152
I disagree. A civilian thousands of kilometers and not a politician or military is not complicit. My hands are clean on this.
I focus a lot on colonized Palestine’s neighbors because they have the power to actually do something that can make a difference. They share borders. Jordanians’ protesting to stop the trucks from entering Israel can make a real difference. All the aid is at the Egyptian border. If Egyptians rose up and did a massive protest, El Sisi might be forced to actually use his power to get that food in. Lets remember the US and EU are bribing him to continue working with Israel. There is also no reason for Israeli ships to dock at Egyptian ports.
The Saudis are busy holding dog competitions and festivals while Gazans are being slaughtered. Clerics that dare to talk about Palestine get jailed and the population is okay with this.
Posted by: Georgie | Apr 14 2025 15:09 utc | 197
My hands are clean on this.
@ Georgie | Apr 14 2025 15:09 utc | 200
Congratulations.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 14 2025 15:20 utc | 198
The daughter of Israel’s Minister of Settlements and National Mission, Orit Strook, has publicly accused her parents and a brother of sexually assaulting her as a child.
“Hi, I wanted to share something after a long time of carrying it with me. My name is Shoshana Strook, and I was sexually abused as a child by both of my parents. The sexual assault was filmed, which means it was used for child pornography,” Shoshana Strook said in a video shared on social media on Thursday.
Orit Strook is a member of the far-right Jewish Power party and a staunch supporter of illegal Israeli Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank, having called for the annexation of the territory, as well as East Jerusalem.
One of Orit Strook’s sons, Zviki Strook, had been charged with kidnapping and torturing a 15-year-old Palestinian boy in 2007, the Quds News Network (QNN) reported.
FULL STORY
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/daughter-of-far-right-israeli-minister-orit-strook-accuses-parents-of-sexual-abuse/
Posted by: ld | Apr 14 2025 15:29 utc | 199
LoveDonbass:
Everyone is complicit. Including you and me.
Georgie:
I disagree. A civilian thousands of kilometers and not a politician or military is not complicit. My hands are clean on this.
I’ll have to go with the (much maligned btw) LoveDonbass on this. If I pay US federal income tax, I’m certainly complicit; if I buy just about any Western corporate product, I’m certainly complicit. Of course, there are degrees of complicity, because complicity can be forced (automatic tax withdrawals from one’s paycheck, for instance) or just about unavoidable (just try living without any Western corporate product). But no, even if my hands are several degrees less filthy than the ones that murder Palestinian babies for fun, I can’t say they are entirely clean. The world we live in simply doesn’t allow it.
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 14 2025 15:39 utc | 200