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April 17, 2025
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2025-080
News & views not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine …
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How much lower can the market go?? Has everyone just pulled out (sold everything and converted to cash) or what? Posted by: Yokel | Apr 17 2025 10:40 utc | 1 There is so much more to this story as is being reported.
The MAGAs need a bigger stick. Posted by: too scents | Apr 17 2025 10:47 utc | 2 Are there any good analyses on the situation between Turkey wanting to establish itself on Syrian airfields in central Syria while Israel is bombing said airfields? Seems like a volatile situation although I would love to see Israel get into it with the Turks, HTS and maybe the Egyptians in the south. Posted by: Migmaw | Apr 17 2025 11:25 utc | 3 Explosion at Northtropp Grumman solid fuel rocket plant in Utah. Guess another setback for US guided missile production, in addition to having to rely on Chinese suppliers for 70% of components. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 17 2025 11:25 utc | 4 Nvidia chief Jensen Huang flies to Beijing for talks Posted by: rk | Apr 17 2025 12:06 utc | 5 “EU Officials Use Burner Phones in US Over Spying Fears!” Posted by: WMG | Apr 17 2025 12:16 utc | 6
I am not a coincidence theorist. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 17 2025 13:31 utc | 7 Posted by: WMG | Apr 17 2025 12:16 utc | 6 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 17 2025 13:33 utc | 8 How much lower can the market go?? Has everyone just pulled out (sold everything and converted to cash) or what? Posted by: jr | Apr 17 2025 13:43 utc | 9 The MAGAs need a bigger stick. Posted by: snake | Apr 17 2025 13:56 utc | 10 with fifteen to twenty more years until “retirement,” hopefully things will…work out somehow? Posted by: Mary | Apr 17 2025 14:17 utc | 11 @ Migmaw | Apr 17 2025 11:25 utc | 3 Posted by: james | Apr 17 2025 14:22 utc | 12 CANUK OFFICIAL NEWS Posted by: canuck | Apr 17 2025 14:35 utc | 13 Yokel, Posted by: Exile | Apr 17 2025 14:37 utc | 14 The last thing the US Great Lakes industrial heartland needs is EU or Chinese free trade steel or coke or aluminum………… Posted by: tobias cole | Apr 17 2025 14:48 utc | 15 Canada has been ripping off the US for decades, dumping steel and aluminum and lumber on US markets destroying hundreds of thousands of jobs and acting as a cheat go around for importation of Chinese goods into the US. Posted by: tobias cole | Apr 17 2025 14:57 utc | 16 @ tobias cole | Apr 17 2025 14:57 utc | 16 Posted by: james | Apr 17 2025 15:05 utc | 17 related to my comment above Posted by: james | Apr 17 2025 15:08 utc | 18 @WMG #6 Posted by: BillB | Apr 17 2025 15:19 utc | 19 The days of Canadian grifting are over………..pay up or get out! Posted by: Tannenhouser | Apr 17 2025 15:32 utc | 20 The U.S. could risk default on its $36.6 trillion debt as early as August unless Congress raises the debt ceiling, the CBO has said. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 17 2025 15:35 utc | 21 This current market likely won’t drop much more than 50% and could recover in as little as a decade. You’ll be fine. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 17 2025 15:36 utc | 22 Invest accordingly. Posted by: Mary | Apr 17 2025 15:40 utc | 23 Gold might make a correction back to $2900 in the next months, but the gold/Sp500 capital rotation event will continue for several more years, with a high potential leading to another doubling of price till $6000. Silver will be following suit outperforming gold, but not yet. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 17 2025 16:21 utc | 25 Tariff-wise, DJT’s intent seemed originally to protect the competitiveness of U.S. industry, like the automotive sector, and re-industrialize manufacturing in the U.S. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 17 2025 16:27 utc | 26 The Turkey vs Jewrael story is fake news. Erdogan needs a distraction from the anti-Erdogan Dictatorship protests which won’t die down until his rival candidate for President is released from jail. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 17 2025 16:34 utc | 27 Read a few of the Collapse Genre Books: Posted by: Exile | Apr 17 2025 16:36 utc | 28 High tariffs work, bring back American jobs ! Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 17 2025 16:46 utc | 29 For a lighter motif… check out Roger Boyd’s car talk on his substack. You will enjoy seeing the Rolls Royce getting dusted by a Chinese EV. Thanks Roger. Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Apr 17 2025 16:57 utc | 30 This is what the future in Britain – and eventually the West, holds for small truth telling websites – I’m pretty sure MoA will eventually come under this vile umbrella as well. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 17 2025 16:59 utc | 31 Saudi Arabia will sell Iran out if it gets the chance. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 17 2025 17:04 utc | 32 And from the dark side: https://www.telesurenglish.net/alba-tcp-denounces-irregularities-in-ecuadors-presidential-runoff/ Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Apr 17 2025 17:04 utc | 33 Saudi Arabia will sell Iran out if it gets the chance. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 17 2025 17:27 utc | 34 For the gold diggers. Gold price is set/”fixed” by these guys: Posted by: KOB | Apr 17 2025 17:51 utc | 35 Law experts worry university legal assistance may come under fire after a congressional committee recently launched a probe into Northwestern University’s legal clinics for representing pro-Palestinian protesters. Other legal clinics worry they could be next as congressional Republicans and the Trump administration aim to crack down on higher ed programs they view as misaligned with their priorities, particularly concerning antisemitism. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 17 2025 17:58 utc | 36 Take all your money out the bank, cash in all your stocks shares and bonds. Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 17 2025 18:00 utc | 37 @Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 17 2025 17:58 utc | 36
What does this even mean at this point? Anti-Israel? anti-Zionism? anti-genocide? pro-justice? Posted by: KOB | Apr 17 2025 18:11 utc | 39 @Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 17 2025 18:00 utc | 37 Posted by: KOB | Apr 17 2025 18:13 utc | 40 Mertz talked tough, then/….. Posted by: denk | Apr 17 2025 18:30 utc | 41 Siemens executive and family, pilot dead after helicopter . Posted by: denk | Apr 17 2025 18:44 utc | 42 From previous OT
https://tinyurl.com/37t2dth8 Posted by: denk | Apr 17 2025 18:47 utc | 43 Though early for a new ukraine post I still drop by big serge once in a while to check if there’s something new. Posted by: Newbie | Apr 17 2025 18:48 utc | 44 tHAT copter exploded in mid air, with Najib’s PA onboard. Posted by: Newbie | Apr 17 2025 19:04 utc | 45 Posted by: Newbie | Apr 17 2025 19:04 utc | 45 Posted by: denk | Apr 17 2025 19:19 utc | 46 Chinese top thermal nuclear scientist killed in air disaster, on his way home after finishing a collaborative proj in Brazil.
Posted by: denk | Apr 17 2025 19:25 utc | 47 This is useful: Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 17 2025 19:36 utc | 48 AF Flight 447
Posted by: denk | Apr 17 2025 19:40 utc | 49 tHAT copter exploded in mid air, with Najib’s PA onboard. Posted by: jopalolive | Apr 17 2025 20:17 utc | 51 Apparently Israel was planning a strike on Iran, but it was averted by Trump amid ongoing indirect Iran-US talks, as I discuss in my last article, covering also the ongoing Zionist genocide of Palestinian in Gaza and other related topics: https://geopolitiq.substack.com/p/impending-israeli-strike-on-iran Air transport seems to be particularly vulnerable at times. Amazing no one has ever published (that I know of) who placed the shorts on UA and AA September 2001. Posted by: Newbie | Apr 17 2025 20:59 utc | 53 Let’s get Japan into the war game. Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 17 2025 21:19 utc | 54 Finally recovered from travelling and caught up with things to formulate an article, “Mismanaging Imperial Decline: Europe & America”, that also involves the viewing of two important video chats thus making it long and complex. Don Bacon | Apr 17 2025 21:19 utc | 54– The first part of my quarterly update on the global car industry, looking at the competition between BYD and Geely for global dominance and the very dark prospects for the German luxury car manufacturers. Posted by: Roger Boyd | Apr 17 2025 21:33 utc | 57 steel_porcupine | Apr 17 2025 16:27 utc | 26 Posted by: Markw | Apr 17 2025 21:35 utc | 58 11 Mary –“Things always, without fail, work out “somehow.” @Posted by: Roger Boyd | Apr 17 2025 21:33 utc | 57 Posted by: KOB | Apr 17 2025 22:03 utc | 60 Professor Mearsheimer w/ Judge Nap earlier today, talking about the deportation of Abrego Garcia, the Maryland dad, to a prison in El Salvador: “I find this all unbelievable. I never thought I’d see the U.S. behaving like this. It’s incomprehensible. It’s against all the values we claim to represent. It’s doing so much damage to our country—and it’s doing so much damage to our reputation around the world. We are in trouble. I don’t understand why more people are not standing up to protest. The fact that we need political heat to get senators & congressional leaders to act correctly-? The welfare of the country is at stake.” Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 17 2025 22:13 utc | 61 The new Secretary of the Army is raring to send soldiers against . . .someone who speaks Chinese while erupting to unite his country ? . .Daniel Driscoll: “We have the fewest number of active-duty soldiers that we have had since World War II right now. Conflict is erupting around the world.” . .here Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 17 2025 22:20 utc | 62 MOATS, Ep439, with George Galloway Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 17 2025 22:39 utc | 63 @ steel_porcupine | Apr 17 2025 22:13 utc | 62 Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 17 2025 22:45 utc | 64
Canada would have no need to defend the North on a cold war level of engagement if US and NATO hadn’t pulled them in into their wanton confrontation. Apart from the doomsday stuff, I’d guess they need “icebreakers” and proper aircraft to patrol the vast space; neither are even available from the US. The P-8 doesn’t do counter air, but SU-35/57 would be great for their range. Russia might sell icebreakers, too. Posted by: persiflo | Apr 17 2025 22:55 utc | 65 The Shovel Posted by: Menz | Apr 17 2025 22:59 utc | 66 Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 17 2025 22:45 utc | 65 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 17 2025 23:04 utc | 67 @Newbie | Thu, 17 Apr 2025 18:48:00 GMT | 44
I’ve been wondering about that just as much as you. Always thought they might perhaps be simply interested in the learning curve, for whatever rationale exactly. Like they try to build a number of different novel nuclear reactor types in parallel, and go big into fusion. As of late, the sheer numbers of shipbuilding seem to support their decision, plus the missile carriers are complemented by AS missiles, long range aircraft, sensor networks, and now drone swarms … but I’m merely speculating, I’m a layman to these things, and should probably refrain from opinionating too much when I’m not really sure. It’s just so much fun! Sorry, MoA. I’ll hold back. Posted by: persiflo | Apr 17 2025 23:19 utc | 68 @ Newbie | Apr 17 2025 18:48 utc | 44 Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 17 2025 23:43 utc | 69 Why are people accepting the label of “deportation” for something that is clearly an arbitrary rendition to a legal black hole- a life sentence – with no way out? Posted by: BillB | Apr 17 2025 23:43 utc | 70 from News of the Weird:
My own handle (stop me if you’ve heard this already) is a bow to Georg Cantor, whose first order of infinity, going on forever but countable like integers, he called aleph-null. I don’t know why he chose a Hebrew letter (first in their alphabet), except that all the greek letters had been staked out for other mathematical conventions. (Cantor was Lutheran, not Jewish.) The number of grains of sand on all galactic beaches is still countable, for anyone with the patience. Initially, Cantor’s first hunch included additional limited orders of infinity, somewhere between aleph-null and the continuum (represented by ‘c’). The names aleph-one, -two, &ct. were reserved for additional orders, upon discovery — which never happened. Not really. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 17 2025 23:50 utc | 71 . . .a smart decision on the mistake-jet. . . Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 17 2025 23:55 utc | 72 62, 65, 68. Don Bacon, steel_porcupine –“The police department’s Gang Unit MS-13 Intelligence Squad conducted an interview with Abrego Garcia and contacted a “past proven and reliable source” who identified him ay s an active member of MS-13 with the “Westerlins” clique, with the rank of “Chequeo” and the moniker of “Chele.” I’m never sure whether Iran stories belong in the Palestine thread or not. Iran is in USrael’s crosshairs over West Asian lands and peoples, most crucially Palestine and Palestinians. Perhaps b will need to add an Iran thread at some point, or else expand the Palestine thread into a West Asia thread.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 18 2025 0:37 utc | 74 Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 17 2025 23:43 utc | 70 Posted by: Newbie | Apr 18 2025 0:42 utc | 75 @Don Bacon | Apr 17 2025 23:43 utc | 70
I know you simply cited the Economist’s view so this is not to you. However, it has to be pointed out that the Economist is one of the western propaganda organs. China’s claim on Taiwan is NOT a fiction. It is a legitimate claim as well as fact. The Economist can keep playing with words for its propaganda that fits amerikkka’s geopolitical agendas. It might only STFU after China’s reunification of Taiwan completes. Like the british likes to say this and that about HK today. One thing they don’t really accept is that HK is no longer under the british colonization and the glory of the british empire is now history. Posted by: LuRenJia | Apr 18 2025 0:46 utc | 76 unless Iran yields to a far-reaching ultimatum that requires sweeping concessions, the U.S. will attack them. That is deranged and illegal, but it isn’t confusing. Posted by: Newbie | Apr 18 2025 0:50 utc | 77 I’m never sure whether Iran stories belong in the Palestine thread or not. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 18 2025 0:57 utc | 78 Posted by: Lavieja | Apr 17 2025 23:59 utc | 74 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 18 2025 1:30 utc | 79 @Newbie
AoC is weird. But it gets less disturbing once you grok that, indeed, with any application of some logical model there is necessarily an applicant. Any notional objects become themselves only in this applicant’s working mind; this what the AoC accounts for. You can always go out there and start counting grains of sand, but you cannot simply say “all of them” and just compute on as if it were no matter of substance. – It works sometimes to go “all in”, set-wise, without further ado, as in aleph null sized sets, but in general you need the AoC to account for the process of the objects becoming the objects in the first place. In the general scheme of things regarding epistemology, and the nature of mathematics more specifically, it’s one more example of the problems of the metaphysics of substance, albeit a tricky and abstract one. Posted by: persiflo | Apr 18 2025 1:36 utc | 80 Regarding Big Serge, does anyone knows where he lives? I would like to visit him with a shotgun, to express my opinion about his paywall. It’s not even a principled thing, I’d be fine if he buys himself a bank in Paris, for as long as the paperwork doesn’t distract him from writing. Or a mega yacht, if it comes with a proper library. Posted by: persiflo | Apr 18 2025 1:41 utc | 81 And no, this does not mean I deny the grains of sand on your beach. We have them here, too. Posted by: Newbie | Apr 18 2025 1:50 utc | 82 Posted by: William Wallace | Apr 18 2025 1:39 utc | 84 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 18 2025 2:00 utc | 83 As this is the open thread I’ll just ask. Posted by: Newbie | Apr 18 2025 2:01 utc | 84 Mike whitney thinks Iran war imminent Posted by: Featherless | Apr 18 2025 3:17 utc | 85 @ LuRenJia | Apr 18 2025 0:46 utc | 78 Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 18 2025 3:38 utc | 86 Newbie | Apr 18 2025 2:01 utc | 90 Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2025 3:44 utc | 87 Ok search engine. First result Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2025 3:51 utc | 88 “Canada has been ripping off the US for decades, dumping steel and aluminum and lumber on US markets destroying hundreds of thousands of jobs and acting as a cheat go around for importation of Chinese goods into the US. Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 18 2025 3:53 utc | 89 “The death of Columbia University (New York)” Posted by: WMG | Apr 18 2025 4:24 utc | 90 “Soldiers! Don’t fight for slavery! Fight for liberty! In the seventeenth chapter of St. Luke, it’s written “the kingdom of God is within man”, not one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In you! You, the people, have the power, the power to create machines, the power to create happiness! You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure. Then in the name of democracy, let us use that power. ” Posted by: LosBanos | Apr 18 2025 4:35 utc | 91 Newbie 44 Posted by: Watcher | Apr 18 2025 5:20 utc | 92 Watcher | Apr 18 2025 5:20 utc | 102 Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2025 5:32 utc | 93 Manchild is back peeps, same mo, different wank socks. Easy to spot- screaming for attention as usual, sad. Posted by: Suresh | Apr 18 2025 5:40 utc | 94
A legitimate superpower. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 18 2025 6:04 utc | 95 Posted by: Watcher | Apr 18 2025 5:20 utc | 102:
Today, in a hot war between the Empire and China, the battle ground will be Alaska and Hawaii Island Chain and the open sea between Hawaii and California. This is the present perspective from China’s point of view, and the intention of their weaponry build-up thus far. This assumes conventional hot war. If nuke is employed, then we all go up in smoke. But China’s conventional war preparedness is to fight enemies at 8,000+km distance from Chinese coast. That’s their intended battle grounds. Posted by: Oriental Voice | Apr 18 2025 6:22 utc | 96 AoC is weird. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 18 2025 6:47 utc | 97 @all Posted by: Newbie| 77, Newbie | 77, Aleph_Null | 97 Posted by: dynkyd | Apr 18 2025 7:36 utc | 99 Russia is unable to do anything. They need USA technology and know-how and already-built factory to produce something so basic as can food!! Posted by: Blueturtlesp | Apr 18 2025 8:28 utc | 100 |
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