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April 9, 2025
Some Fall-Out From The Tariff Wars

President Trump likely thought that he could press China into making a deal with him. The tariffs he imposed were supposed to create leverage for that.

Instead he found that China is willing and able to fight back:

China said it will raise its tariff on US goods to 84%, retaliating to the hefty new tariffs on its imports that kicked in on Wednesday.

The move came after the Trump administration followed through on a threat to add a 50% tariff on Chinese goods, in addition to 34% reciprocal tariffs, raising the overall tariff rate on Chinese goods to 104%. The steep new duties on China and 184 other US trading partners took effect at 12:01 a.m. ET on Wednesday.

Beijing's move marks further deterioration in US-China trade relations after China vowed on Tuesday to "fight to the end" in the renewed trade war.

When the U.S. launched its proxy war in Ukraine against Russia it thought that it could defeat Russia by economic means. A wall of sanctions and other restrictions were to destroy the Russian economy. But Russia was prepared and much stronger than the U.S. had anticipated. Its economy did better than those of the countries which opposed it.

A similar miscalculation seems to have happened with regards to China.

Trump is not knowledgeable about China's mighty economy. Vice-President Vance recently called China's highly qualified work force 'peasants'. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent is likewise ignorant:

I advised Scott Bessent, now Trump's Secretary of the Treasury who is leading the tariff war, in 2013 when he was still with Soros. An investment bank engaged me to advise Bessent on China's economy and consumer trends and go over my book The End of Cheap China.

I took an instant disliking – Bessent was one of the most arrogant and ignorant on China people I had ever met. He was uber bearish on China and was largely ideologically driven in his analysis. Communist countries couldn't succeed was basically the jist of his views.

Data and rational analysis did not reign supreme.

He thinks America has the upper hand with China right now. I worry for America. We have one of the most ignorant on China yet arrogant people I've ever met running a trade war against China.

Along with trouble in the stock and treasury markets we now can see trade between the U.S. and not only China but large parts of South Asia comes to a screeching halt:

Amid escalating trade tensions between China and the United States, some Chinese exporters are taking the drastic step of ditching shipments mid-voyage and surrendering containers to shipping companies to avoid crushing tariff costs.

Industry insiders have dubbed the move “preparing for the Long March”, a grim metaphor for what many see as a prolonged and punishing downturn in cross-Pacific trade.

A staff member at a China-listed export company, who requested anonymity, said its US-bound container volume had plummeted from 40 to 50 containers a day to just three to six as a result of the new tariffs on Chinese imports imposed by the second Trump administration.

“We’ve halted all shipping plans from the Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia and Malaysia,” the employee said. “Every factory order is halted. Anything that hasn’t been loaded will be scrapped, and the cargo already at sea is being re-costed.”

Those are goods that U.S. importers expected to see but which will not be delivered. Not even to higher prices. It may take a few weeks until the effects will be seen in U.S. stores but empty shelves, especially for low value everyday stuff, are now sure to appear.

There are no other producers to take up the space.

This will hit the U.S. much more than China:

The Chinese trade surplus with the US is about 3% of its GDP. China would not lose off of that; it would wind up redirecting a lot of those goods to other countries that would only welcome the extra stuff up to a point, or even sell more domestically. But China could weather the hit. Economic suffering that clearly results from US malevolence would also be unifying, while a sluggish economy due to the deflating of a monster property bubble is much less so.

Trump is proposing to make this dire situation worse by sanctioning pharmaceuticals.

The only way inflicting this level of punishment on Americans (a huge spike in untreated illnesses, on top of the economic distress from sudden rises in costs and resulting spending cutbacks that will result in business failures, high inflation (conceivably hyperinflation if the destruction of productive capacity is large enough, and readers know I hate the casual use of the “h” word), and a big uptick in unemployment, is if the plan is to produce so much upheaval as to justify the imposition of martial law. But who wants to be the emperor of a hellhole?

On Monday I had quoted Adam Tooze who provided a scenario of rising Treasury interest:

Rather than investors piling into Treasuries driving the price up, instead, we could see investors selling Treasuries en masse.

At this point we would expect to see the Fed step in, not just to lower interest rates, as is now commonly expected, but do more drastic interventions.

But [..] what if investors, both American and foreign decide, that they no longer wish to hitch their wagon to the empire of the mad king? What if they decide that the US is indeed exceptional, but that it is exceptional in rather nasty ways? […] Well in that case, holding billions in dollars newly created by the Fed does not give you the security you want.

So you sell the dollars. You just want out of the mad house.

This, Ladies and Gentleman, would be the truly big disaster.

The unthinkable move in Treasury happened last night:

Treasury yields spiked on Wednesday as investors bailed out of what has been perceived as the world’s safest instrument on expectations of crumbling foreign demand as tariffs take effect.

The yield on the 10-year Treasury spiked to as high as 4.516%. Yields move in the opposite direction to prices.

Yields settled down after China called for dialogue with the U.S. on trade, and then moved right back near the highs of the day after China said it was increasing its tariffs on the U.S. to 84%.

The yield on the 30-year Treasury was 4.91%, having earlier peaked above 5%.

“Something has broken tonight in the bond market. We are seeing a disorderly liquidation,” said Jim Bianco, president and macro strategist at Bianco Research.

[T]ariffs are devastating to bonds — not only do they have an inflationary impact, but they result in fewer dollars being sent to foreign countries that have traditionally recycled them into financial assets and U.S. Treasury securities in particular.

Peter Schiff @PeterSchiff – 10:51 UTC · Apr 9, 2025

U.S. stocks, bonds, and the dollar are all down. This is a broad-based liquidation of U.S. assets. Trump claims his tariffs will cause foreigners to invest in the U.S. to avoid the tariffs. Instead, tariffs have already resulted in foreigners pulling their money out of the U.S.

Rising interests is the last thing the Trump administration wanted to see. It wants to borrow more to be able to cut taxes. But with interest rates on the rise it will become more difficult to cover the U.S. deficit.

The real damage though will probably happen in smaller Asian countries who have borrowed in U.S. dollar and, due to tariff and trade troubles and rising interest rates, will have difficulties to pay back their loans. If they default the western banks who have lend them the money will go down with them. The trade trouble could thus develop into a serious banking crisis.

These are interesting times to live in …

Comments

Trump’s attempt to return the factories to America feels a bit like the Battle of the Bulge – a spent force trying to get the upper hand.

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 9 2025 22:49 utc | 201

Chris Hedges and Richard Wolff on “The Economics of Dying Empire”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1aFnl-x_3M

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Apr 9 2025 22:50 utc | 202

Rufus Arrrr | Apr 9 2025 22:21 utc | 189–
It appears a very small percentage of people in the Collective West know what you outlined. Your post put meat on the bones of the fact that China’s US trade is only 3% of its GDP, that in reality it can do without the US market, although admittedly there are a few things China is dependent upon but can solve that issue quickly once it moves to do so.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 9 2025 22:52 utc | 203

Aside:
You can see the purpose of Panama and the fight in the Red Sea in this ‘tariff war’. All the dots are connecting …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 9 2025 18:40 utc | 53
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Can you elaborate?
Are you suggesting that these routes will be open only to US “trading friends”?
Barbary Pirates 2.0?

Posted by: Jane | Apr 9 2025 22:52 utc | 204

DowJones up 2600 points…..next question please……an unprecedented one day rise, never seen before
DJT is a deal maker, and this temporary reduction to 10% is just another move….by the way he wacked the Red Chinese with far more tariffs………
DJT plays chess while the EU plays checkers……

Posted by: tobias cole | Apr 9 2025 22:57 utc | 205

Couple final thoughts on Molson Hart’s long tweet (above) re: why the tariffs will never accomplish what Trump’s team claims they’re supposed to do.
1) A renewed sense of national pride or “patriotism” is needed to motivate Americans to want to work the types of jobs he discusses. Nothing seems to do the trick better than a new war. Trump’s people are smart enough to know that, and they haven’t had any issues backtracking on other campaign “promises.” Getcha popcorn ready.
2) To his notion that American workers demand too much in the way of pay, sick leave, etc. – “Good pay or bum work” – IWW (the wobblies) – We need strong, disciplined unions and worker education.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2025 23:02 utc | 206

It’s like there’s a MAGA version of Hasbara or NAFO. The same exact statements from multiple people. Must be the new USAID funding or something.
Almost the entire world’s biggest trade partner is China. The US is the biggest trade partner of Western Europe and a few countries outside that like Japan. To actually isolate China would require getting all those Chinese trade partners to tariff Chinese goods too. Otherwise they and China will just make money together by routing Chinese products through those countries to the US.
Trump and his acolytes live in a fantasy world that it’s still 2000 or earlier. Just like the magical thinking that manufacturing will simply return to the US. Go look into how many machinists under 70 the US has; don’t bother to look for how many tooling engineers the US has and produces annually.

Posted by: Lex | Apr 9 2025 23:02 utc | 207

205
Now where did I put that 1920s Weimar Republic v gold graph again…

Posted by: E | Apr 9 2025 23:03 utc | 208

Amazing that the “isolation” line is being parroted about China, this is the same line that was used for Russia and how did that turn out?
The exact same talking points that were used with regards to Russian sanctions are now being said about China. Guaranteed many countries will keep trading with China.
It looks like China has now made a decision that it will stand firm and scuttle the US relationship if need be. Amazing time to be alive.
Posted by: silverfoxes | Apr 9 2025 18:57 utc | 65
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Seems like “isolation” is one of the words du jour.
But who will be isolated?
“Isolation” of Russia didn’t work.
“Isolation” of China is one possibility.
“Isolation” of the USA (intended or otherwise) is another.
Whoever ends up getting isolated in the end (sounds a bit like a Bob Dylan lyric, or “The Elijah”: Those who will be saved in the end . . . ), it certainly sounds to me like the demise of globalism.
How do these scenarios relate to the classic “isolationism” that was a major American ideology until . . . I guess it was internationalism came along?

Posted by: Jane | Apr 9 2025 23:03 utc | 209

Posted by: Jane | Apr 9 2025 22:52 utc | 204
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Via Greenland, the Panama Canal, and the Suez Canal, America is trying to control all maritime traffic via bottlenecks.
Iran is an issue for many reasons, not least of which it can provide Russia, China, and Central Asia with access (North South Transportation Corridor) to the oceans that cannot be easily blocked. Iran is also building overland oil pipelines to China.
The Strait of Malacca in Singapore is another bottleneck that the Americans have prepared to blockade to stop all maritime traffic to China from the Middle East and Africa. The US has multiple agreements in place with the Singaporean government.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 23:05 utc | 210

@Tom_Q_Collins
Thank you for your VERY long post about Relocating Factories. I figured that there was a reason why factories haven’t been been moving back to the US over the past few decades. It turns out that relocating factories is hard work and requires a lot of skill.
CuellanBaker takes the stance that the US will be able to muscle other nations into accepting deals with the US that gets around the need to do the hard work that you describe in your article. IMHO, this business strategy that he is recommending, and that the Trump administration is implementing, make it clear that the US will no longer be a super power in a decade. Maybe not even a power.
And, to quote the best single line of this whole discussion (@LoveDonbas):
Serious question.
What does the world need America for?
What do they provide that no one else can?
What can they do that no one else can master?
The monopoly on force myth is being debunked by Russia and Yemen.
It’s not even the sole nuclear power.
They don’t have the brightest people. They don’t have the best scientists. They don’t have the most beautiful women. Their religion, where it exists, is a Doomsday death cult.
Outside of entertainment and monopolies, what does America have going for it?
If you were to sell America to someone today, what would be the value proposition? How would you lead off your pitch?

Posted by: Woke American | Apr 9 2025 23:09 utc | 211

Decades of globalist free trade policy purchased from corrupt Presidents like Bill Clinton, George Forever War Bush, and Barrack Hussein Obama basically destroyed the heavy industry in the Great Lakes basin……..even as a Senator Joe Biden backstabbed industrial unions and voted for China MFN Free Trade, and NAFTA, two of the most notorious trade pacts in US history….in twenty years the US lost 5 million manufacturing jobs, in forty years they lost 12 million manufacturing jobs…….Bill, George, and Barrack were economic traitors (Joementia even lifted all tariffs on EU steel and aluminum).
Mill towns like Homestead, Bethlehem, Lackawanna, Allentown, South Buffalo, South Chicago, Gary, Sparrows Point, Youngstown, Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Dunkirk, etc., etc. were destroyed in detail sacrificed on the altar of globalist free trade, but not to worry along with the massive loss of jobs, imports of heroin, cocaine, and fent massively increased creating a perfect storm….of mass unemployment, loss of hope and plentiful hard drugs…..the end result 100k per year drug deaths.
DJT rejects the globalist WEC nonsense………..American towns need jobs, not excuses….raise the tariffs.

Posted by: tobias cole | Apr 9 2025 23:09 utc | 212

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2025 20:33 utc | 137
RE: wowza
<< Standing ovation for your omnibus. You nailed it-! Capturing all the complexities of 21st Century manufacturing in the U.S. is not a small or easy task, but you encapsulated it. Thx

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 9 2025 23:14 utc | 213

Wait and watch how China fairs in this little donnybrook and especially note the shift in attitude in the ROW re: US imperialism. You may be surprised.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 9 2025 20:31 utc | 135
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fares

Posted by: Jane | Apr 9 2025 23:16 utc | 214

The entire Tariff Issue of the 1930s was indeed just political, and the democrats and media were wrong. The Democrats used it to beat the Republicans over the head and pretended that the Tariffs caused the Great Depression, tariffs didn’t. Today, we have the media, which hates Trump as they all tried so hard to defeat him, now they are deliberately blaming tariffs all over again for a normal correction that many kept calling for a major crash before the tariffs. The press has latched onto this normal correction and is deliberately trying to crash the market with constant claims that tariffs will destroy the world economy, it’s all cycles..!

Posted by: Skip59 | Apr 9 2025 23:17 utc | 215

Posted by: tobias cole | Apr 9 2025 23:09 utc | 212
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If you want jobs in 2025, I recommend Americans start making something that someone elsewhere wants to buy.
Can’t keep pumping out hormone-laden frankenfoods and hiding behind brand trademarks.
No one wants to buy ICE vehicles, given a choice these days.
After the showing in Ukraine and the many F-35 fiascos, no one is in a big rush to buy American weapons either.
Gotta find something that America does really well, or ideally best. Second-rate won’t cut it in the hyper-competitive current age.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 23:18 utc | 216

The Democrats used it to beat the Republicans over the head and pretended that the Tariffs caused the Great Depression, tariffs didn’t.
Posted by: Skip59 | Apr 9 2025 23:17 utc | 215
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In a court of law, it is what you can prove; in the court of public opinion, it’s what people believe.
And people believe all kinds of goofy stuff.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 23:21 utc | 217

Ronald Reagan vs. #tariffs : 1987 speech finds new relevance in 2025
Posted by: Menz | Apr 9 2025 21:53 utc | 173
FoxNews, with VP Vance blabbing –“I think it’s useful for all of us to step back and ask us, ask ourselves, what is the globalist economy gotten the United States of America?
Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 9 2025 22:09 utc | 182
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Well, my stars. So now the Republicans don’t adore Ronald Reagan and his global free trade stuff? Are we going to dump on his supply-side (trickle-down) economics next, or is this a purely selective memory thing? I’m old enough to remember when Reagan was elected. Asked my Dad, “Did we really just elect an old movie star to be president?” And he said, “Appears so. It’s going to be all downhill from here on out.”
And it has been.

Posted by: teri | Apr 9 2025 23:23 utc | 218

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 9 2025 22:49 utc | 201
RE: like trying to redo the Battle of the Bulge, but too late
<< The slippage shows... The impulse to re-start the battle---but it's too late. The 'W' DJT *might* have achieved was lost before the inauguration. And there is no way ever to turn back the hands of time to re-fight the Battle of the Bulge. The world changed so dramatically during both the SMO and then the 7 October-spawned genocide in Gaza that the new DJT admin could not catch up fast enough. DJT mouthed the appropriate things--like wanting to be the first crypto president. Or working to end the war in Ukraine. And getting a lock on the Border. Fantastic stuff. But no one in TrumpWorld really comprehended the degree to which the shift in economic might had empowered more favorably, more robustly a Russia/China axis, and therefore a BRICS+ axis too. It is not possible for the DJT admin's leading lights to catch up w/ a world they no longer comprehend. Not even slipping on a banana peel can help them now. It is as if the newly un-extincted Dire Wolf has just reanimated and suddenly cast its gaze on DJT's admin. And the Dire Wolf is hungry.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Apr 9 2025 23:30 utc | 219

Tom Q Collins @ 137:
That is an excellent article you linked to, detailing what the US needs to do to bring back manufacturing and the jobs, knowledge, skills and the cultural values associated with making things of consistent quality that people need at prices they can afford.
I would add that just as proper healthcare is important – because a healthy workforce is needed to have the motivation, determination and resilience to do the hard work required of it, and that would require a properly funded public healthcare system with Medicaid extended to all (and properly funded as well) – a properly functioning financial and banking system that emphasises savings and commercial loans to small and medium-sized businesses, and which separates the day-to-day banking of ordinary working people from the corporate investment sector, is needed as well. That may well call for a public bank run by local communities, local governments or state governments (either at the state level as used to be the case and may still be in North Dakota, or by several state governments that are part of a physical geographic region).
In addition, an education system that educates everyone to credible standards of reading, writing, arithmetic and basic mathematics, and critical thinking, acceptable to the majority of employers, is needed and that may well call for a properly funded public education system right up to and including general undergraduate degrees and post-graduate technical qualifications.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 9 2025 23:33 utc | 220

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 22:25 utc | 190
US’ians do not seem to recognize that Trump is inherently a very cruel man; or perhaps I should say that they do, but they like that about him as it reflects their own inner selves. It’s a dismal time to grow old in.

Posted by: teri | Apr 9 2025 23:36 utc | 221

Good articles and comments here, especially the extensive one by:
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2025 20:33 utc | 137
I note as long as the USA engages in senseless wars and continues have ships sunk by some of the poorest countries on earth they will continue to “print” USD which will result in hyperinflation and total collapse.

Posted by: ramAustralia | Apr 9 2025 23:41 utc | 222

No one wants to buy ICE vehicles, given a choice these days.
. . .
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 23:18 utc | 216
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Wrong.
78.8% of vehicles bought in the USA in 2024 were ICE.
Before, that, 80%.
Maybe stick to dishwashers!

Posted by: Jane | Apr 9 2025 23:46 utc | 223

it certainly sounds to me like the demise of globalism.
Posted by: Jane | Apr 9 2025 23:03 utc | 209
Couple of questions, did the us make its move too late?
Can they get orwell’s oceania, or already too late (brazil comes to mind as preferring to align with russia and its critical fertilizers and china as a major customer for their exports, but would say russia is the key, regarding oceania, south africa is already gone)
Instead of orwell we might see the us trying to get the spanish side of the first division.
Now… where will europe fall to? Between trump and these last tariffs (and an almost certainty of being forced into a hard decoupling with china after being driven out of cheap russian gas… might make a neuron or two start to work, though I doubt it)
Something that was only brushed in the thread, sevices. Services and particularly intellectual property is the sign that everything went to shit for the us if we get to that.
Now for the big question everybody is asking, what of the small countries? Either a lot don’t align with the us (and the us becomes too thinly spread to do anything about it) or some countries will get the haiti/cuba treatment, can’t have countries think they can change the (imperial) rule based order…
As thee chinese like to say (as a curse) may you live in interesting times…

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 9 2025 23:52 utc | 224

Posted by: teri | Apr 9 2025 23:36 utc | 221
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I believe that all of these hardships are tests.
Maybe I am a masochist, but I like hard tests. They remind me that I am alive.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 23:53 utc | 225

No one wants to buy ICE vehicles, given a choice these days.
. . .
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 23:18 utc | 216
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Wrong.
78.8% of vehicles bought in the USA in 2024 were ICE.
Before, that, 80%.
Maybe stick to dishwashers!
Posted by: Jane | Apr 9 2025 23:46 utc | 223
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“No one wants to buy ICE vehicles, given a choice these days.”
Which brands of Chinese (aka world-leading) EVs are available in America today? Also, I was talking about the Global markets that do not practice protectionism.
Maybe you should stick to making excuses for America’s genocides, economic discussions seem to be beyond you, my dear.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 23:57 utc | 226

this must be wreaking havoc on trading AIs.
Also, clearly Art of the Deal.
Trump really does know how to make it look like he is giving when he is taking.
It is instinct to him. He is just playing by ear. It looks like chaos to those who assume he is just some kind of bumbling fool.
He isn’t.
He won the presidency of the USA, twice, against a well entrenched bureaucracy. Spare me the ptb put him there nonsense. There are at least 100 other lufetime bureaucrats the ptb would rather have.
Also, fuck wall street. I was rather enjoying all that red. It will still come one day, tarriffs or not, and the longer it doesnt, the more amazing the downfall will be.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 10 2025 0:01 utc | 227

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 23:57 utc | 226
ev still has serious range issues that make it completely unrealistic for half the population.
You made an obviously false statement, and Jane was right to correct it.
I am sure you even expected pushback. Itching for a fight so bad, you pick weak positions as bait.

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 10 2025 0:05 utc | 228

78.8% of vehicles bought in the USA in 2024 were ICE.
Before, that, 80%.
Maybe stick to dishwashers!
Posted by: Jane | Apr 9 2025 23:46 utc | 223
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One’s choices are limited by availability.
Two Decembers ago I decided to break down and admit we were a two-car family. I wanted a second Corolla hybrid: much less expensive than a Prius (same innards though) and much less likely to attract the wrath of the ubiquitous coal rollers.
Not a single Corolla hybrid on any lot in my state (Colorado).
Only one dealership with Priuses, and I had to drive 2 1/2 hours to get to the dealership.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 10 2025 0:16 utc | 229

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 10 2025 0:05 utc | 228
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Jane’s comprehension of my post was on par with America’s ability to compete in global markets. 😂😂😂
I’m not an EV fan. I am a fan of human progress, but I do know that the latest BYD cars charge faster than cars by anyone else. Almost all EV batteries come from China, which includes Tesla’s batteries.
Range is not an issue for most of the planet. Few countries are built to the insane scale of America, which has always been about wasteful consumption and hormonally driven aesthetics over efficiency and affordability.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 10 2025 0:19 utc | 230

From the thread it’s clear many don’t know the history behind what’re known as Free Trade and Free Markets, which results from those subjects being verboten to teach in Western schools captured by Neoliberal dogma–something that’s been ongoing since WW1. The first question to seek an answer to is Why do nations switch from protected trade to free trade? Another excellent question is Why did China cease being a seafaring, trading nation around 1420 since it was totally dominant?
For the curious who want to learn more, here’s an excellent essay by Dr. Hudson from 2011, “Simon Patten on Public Infrastructure and Economic Rent Capture”, back when he could still get published by the specialist journals like the American Journal of Economics and Sociology. Patten’s an important figure since he and his school of thought is what emerged from the Gilded Age Trump so admires. Patten used his philosophy at America’s first Business School–the Wharton School of Finance and Economy at the University of Pennsylvania.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 10 2025 0:21 utc | 231

(cont’d from 0:16 utc)
Now I’m one of those fortunate people who buys cars with cash (which really pisses off the dealers btw), and could take the dealer’s disinclination to “negotiate” — after all, the supply/demand ratio was awfully low — in stride.
But I can imagine other customers settling for a zippy (sub)compact ICE car for $10K less.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 10 2025 0:23 utc | 232

MOATS, EP 437, with George Galloway
https://x.com/georgegalloway/status/1910028819244933444
‘Upping the Ante’
With Prof Richard Wolff & Judge Andrew Napolitano

Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 10 2025 0:24 utc | 233

It’s 5:12 Pacific Time in the Pacific Northwest and it seems “all bets are off” With regard to Trump’s Tariffs. A bunch of US Billionaires became pissed off enough to phone and tell Trump that they were losing too darn much profits and demanded he place a stop to his Tariffs. No more Tariffs for 90 Days. Just like That!
It makes one wonder. Why didn’t these Wealthy Donors realize how Trump would run The White House. There are slews of articles, and books that have honestly portrayed him as a perennial liar, a highly corrupt show man filled with vindictive malice towards anyone who dared question his business motives. Amazing.

Posted by: Rubicon | Apr 10 2025 0:28 utc | 234

In reading the posts here there are several things about the tarrif game that I didn’t see mentioned.
First is the enormous markup that occurs in the the US of the actual imported cost of the product and the retail price to consumer. 100% is probably the minimum, more on order of 300 to 500%, and with small plastic parts, 1000% from what I’ve seen.
Second, is the issues of US manufacturing plants overseas producing products for importation this is the main target as I see of the tariff initiative.
Third, the pause is part of the strategy. Giving a the enemy a chance to comply give of the fight with some face.
Fourth, Blackrock is the real controller and China is the puppet.

Posted by: Jerr | Apr 10 2025 0:31 utc | 235

Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2025 20:33 utc | 137
Thanks for posting that guys essay.
So much makes so much sense.
So much sense it’ll naturally be ignored….
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And yep @bar.
All this volatility. *Someone* is absolutely making out like a bandit.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 10 2025 0:37 utc | 236

I can see Americans still buying ICE cars. The government (despite a lot of lip service to free markets) doesn’t allow affordable, technologically advanced competition.
The subject was how America can create manufacturing jobs. Not a lot of money in exporting shovels after the invention of the excavator.
ICE cars, despite the limitations of EVs, are dying tech. Sort of like vinyl records in 1994.
If America wanted to do something positive economically, it would be working on the next thing, not the last thing.
Pax Americanists like my friends UWDude and Jane don’t quite understand that the world has moved past America, and the days of militarily and financially blackmailing them to “Buy American” have come to an end with BRICS.
Do better and stop whining about being “ripped off” by Chinese “peasants”.
Nobody likes a crybaby, certainly not a nuclear-powered Zionist crybaby.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 10 2025 0:39 utc | 237

The thing about Trump’s Chinese and other country tariffs, is that they are unlikely to reduce imports from these countries to America given that even at double the price, most of these goods will still be cheaper. The second thing is that the US is not in a position to just be able to manufacture everything overnight to replace these goods, that takes years to set up. In addition many of the raw materials are imported and will attract tariffs as well so that will cause increases in the prices of American made goods. If goods don’t flow from China how many businesses will go bust during the phase it takes to recreate US based industries? Not looking good for the country in the least.
So what are these tariffs at the end of the day? They are a BIG FAT TAX imposed on the American people which is a Trump government grab for money. It is the US government coffers that profit, no on else. Meanwhile more is thrown at the war machine and his particularly group of military grafters by the ‘president of peace’.

Posted by: George | Apr 10 2025 0:40 utc | 238

these countries will be to decide if they want to buy cheap shit from China and be denied access to the US market or buy their cheap shit elsewhere and enjoy favorable treatment in the US.
You know the choice they will make.
Posted by: CullenBaker | Apr 9 2025 20:07 utc | 118
“Favourable treatment”???
Do you mock us? Favourable for how long???
We have already a lifetimes worth of experience with US Perfidy.
And if you are a historian, or read into the past—then hundreds of years of Perfidy.
It is time the vile genocidal Empire Ends.
This is but the Harbinger…

Posted by: Original Newbie | Apr 10 2025 0:54 utc | 239

That’s a typo, right ?
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 9 2025 20:02 utc | 113
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Write off not right off. Snigger
I like the original the best though. Unintentional.
Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 9 2025 20:24 utc | 132
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Spellchecker should go to Hello!
It’s a grim world out there. More levity, please, especially with those 1960s Ugly Americans moving back in the White House.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Apr 10 2025 0:55 utc | 240

American importers, wholesale, and retail businesses are going to be destroyed.
They mainly sell Chinese goods. That’s a lot of unemployed people and businesses of various sizes going bust.
And what can replace the Chinese goods they sell in the immediate future? Zilch.
Meanwhile Mr Orange is using his vulnerable yet highly obese ego to advise himself of what to do next, it’s all an emotional game of saving face now with the Chinese. This is what happens when you elect an ignorant clown who thinks he is a genius and surround him with ignorant badly informed victimhood queens and racist radicals.

Posted by: George | Apr 10 2025 0:56 utc | 241

thanks b..
trump has altered his agenda.. mr disrupter has done it again, confusing everyone for the most part..

Posted by: james | Apr 10 2025 1:03 utc | 242

Discount Trump, Don Jr. mouthing off about China, Vance-style gets corrected on Twitter for saying that American products cannot be found to purchase in China.

There are 10,000 KFC, 6,500 Starbucks, 5,900 McDonald’s, 1,387 Nike stores in China.
Americans own 8,000+ businesses in China, with revenue exceeding US $700 billion/year.

https://x.com/Kai_Wong_CN/status/1910105450407682363
Being oblivious about facts isn’t helpful when trying to MAGA.
Or maybe it is …

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 10 2025 1:05 utc | 243

Traders that sold protection against the market falling got crushed.
Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2025 19:52 utc | 103
>>>
Buyer :: Protection bought loss is limited, fixed and predictable and equivalent to the total premium.
Seller:: Protection sold loss is $0 but gain equals premium since (cap – premium) = cap ==> premium.

Posted by: pepe | Apr 10 2025 1:18 utc | 244

*****LoveDonbas@237
The subject was how America can create manufacturing jobs.
******
Like from like.
For example, foreign auto manufacturers that have setup in US have not had an issue with finding companies support ther tinkertoy assembly operations.
The US does have ultra high tech manufacturering that could, if allowed release products that would make both European and especially Chinese manufacturing plants obselte because they can’t provide the ultra high tech products.
They could but only if they are allowed to steal the technology.

Posted by: Jerr | Apr 10 2025 1:28 utc | 245

Are you suggesting that these routes will be open only to US “trading friends”?
Barbary Pirates 2.0?
Posted by: Jane | Apr 9 2025 22:52 utc | 204

Yes.
Obama excited the Australian navy in 2009/10/11 to play war “games”… a scenario of “choking” China in the Straits of Malacca.
The U$-UK are maritime powers. Russia-China land powers.
See Mackinder’s “world island”.
The dumbest thing the maritime powers did was to reignite the Russia-China partnership.
As maritime powers the US-UK need to gatekeep all global choke points… Suez Panama, Malacca, Persian Gulf… and the increasingly ice-free north-west passage….through Canada-Greenland.
Russia has spent the past decade building nuclear icebreakers to open and secure its Northern Sea Route, which is available to China…
The U$ wants back into Afghanistan to curdle the Central Asia/ Eurasia China-Russia land routes.
The whole globe is one giant chessboard.
The “Grand Chessboard” as stated by Zbigniew Brzeziński.
*BigZ who founded the “Afghan-Arabs”(al-quad-a, the Taliban and the Mujahideen) to agitate Soviet (Russian) vulnerability in its Muslim/central Asian oblasts.
The Great Game of the British Empire, … never really concluded…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 10 2025 1:47 utc | 246

**** Peru@251
****
They were obsolete before they were built. You have no idea.

Posted by: Jerr | Apr 10 2025 2:01 utc | 247

@ karlof1
>> Why do nations switch from protected trade to free trade?
>> Another excellent question is Why did China cease being a seafaring, trading
>> nation around 1420 since it was totally dominant?
IDK. Kindly do tell!

Posted by: I forgot | Apr 10 2025 2:01 utc | 248

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 10 2025 0:19 utc | 230
In China, insurance rates are 20% higher for EV’s, by the States own figures approx 3000 EV’s catch fire each year and Chinese internet users created a neologism phonetically linking BYD to the Mandarin ‘to explode’. As somebody said recently, if all we knew were EV’s and somebody designed an ICE vehicle, most people would want one.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 10 2025 0:39 utc | 237
Strange, the advantages of the CD over the vinyl record were obvious, and there was no government legislation forcing the consumer to choose the new tech over the old. The transition from one to the other was a natural progression driven by market forces, the EV transition is being driven by draconian legislation curtailing consumer choice under the guise of a climate emergency that strangely never arrives. Coincidentally the country who benefits the most is the country who never mastered the technology of the ICE, but has the resources to produce cheap batteries, funny that.
Coincidentally the manufacturing and support sectors hit the hardest, by this enforced industrial strategy, happen to comprise a majority of workers who made up the core of the traditional working class who traditionally have been opposed, both politically, socially and culturally, to the new future being planned for us. Funny that.
China’s in a real fight now, not some manufactured kabuki theatre to disguise the compromised nature of the political figures it normally deals with, it will be interesting to see who comes out on top.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 10 2025 1:05 utc | 245
I’ll counter-Aksually and say those figures are both misleading and not like for like comparisons.

Posted by: Milites | Apr 10 2025 2:03 utc | 249

Guys, China isn’t going to “collapse” or “lose this war”.
Facts like these: 93% of Chinese families own their homes and their net worth is four times bigger than Americans (!).

Posted by: Rufus Arrrr | Apr 10 2025 2:09 utc | 250

Posted by: Jerr | Apr 10 2025 1:28 utc | 248
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/unleashing-american-energy/
One of the most important EO’s signed that will determine the US’s economic future and one that the globalists fear the most, as it undermines one of the central pillars of their entire, decades in the making, economic and political strategy.

Posted by: Milites | Apr 10 2025 2:10 utc | 251

Posted by: Rufus Arrrr | Apr 10 2025 2:09 utc | 256
#########
Sadly, many Westerners, despite identifying as socialist, don’t seem to care very much about quality of life.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 10 2025 2:18 utc | 252

China has spent most of it’s history living within it’s own economy. If it proves anything as a country, it is a survivor no matter what.
Ironically it was the British and European countries followed by the US that forced China to trade. The US busted open Japan with gunboat diplomacy forcing it into trading, and the US also pushed China into trading through sales of illegal Turkish opium. Warren Delano, uncle of Franklin Delano and Teddy Roosevelt made his fortune out of China opium trade, as did many other wealthy Americans. That’s where the Roosevelt family money came from.
So to originally please America, China had to forcibly accept to trade with the outside world, as did Japan. Now the West led by America doesn’t want it to trade.
I don’t think China will accept such hypocrisy. The West is finished.

Posted by: George | Apr 10 2025 2:23 utc | 253

U.S. consumer spending is more than twice that of the European Union. US consumer spending is equal to the combined consumer spending of the EU, China, and Japan combined.
Thank you for answering, Cullen. Now I understand the error of Trumps analysis. Here is the error in your statement:
U.S. consumer spending data includes:
Medical Industry ~18% of GDP
Education Industry ~16% of GDP
Gasoline for Cars ~ 4% of GDP
Adjust for those 3 massively bloated accounts and you‘ll Note US consumer spending is much smaller than you think.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 10 2025 2:27 utc | 254

If Trump’s purpose was to remove Gaza from the frontpage it is a success

Posted by: Minaa | Apr 10 2025 2:39 utc | 255

Louis@58:
You could be right: the USA is isolating itself and could well collapse before the year is out.

Posted by: SLM | Apr 10 2025 2:48 utc | 256

“If Trump’s purpose was to remove Gaza from the frontpage it is a success”
Posted by: Minaa | Apr 10 2025 2:39 utc | 263
It sure is but:
I think Trump’s main purpose is to get everything off the front page except for stories about himself – no matter what they are. I still claim that he is an obvious narcissist who is mainly into attention seeking and gloating over the attention he gets. The more attention he gets the more it acts like a potent drug that gets him high. I don’t know why anyone can take such a person – who clearly has a toxic personality disorder – seriously, other than the danger it constitutes to the entire world.

Posted by: George | Apr 10 2025 2:58 utc | 257

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So to originally please America, China had to forcibly accept to trade with the outside world, as did Japan. Now the West led by America doesn’t want it to trade.
Posted by: George | Apr 10 2025 2:23 utc | 261
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Globalisation was cool , back then when the Chinese had to sew ten billions T shirts in order to buy one BOeing !

Posted by: denk | Apr 10 2025 3:01 utc | 258

Trump

We’ve a massive trade deficit with China

Ask Carlin
‘What the US produces in abundance, is bullshit and bombs. It can’t produce a toaster worth shit,’
Howzat China’s fault ?

They spend it on their military, I dont like that

[sic]
To paraphrase Charley Reese,
with the 8NA hyenas shrieking at the gate, the CPC would be derelict of duty NOT to upgrade the military,

We dont want to have to spend on it either

LOL
Did somebody point a gun at your head ?
asshole.
Read your own inauguration speech 2017,

I wanna make our MIC great again

Posted by: denk | Apr 10 2025 3:11 utc | 259

“Globalisation was cool , back then when the Chinese had to sew ten billions T shirts in order to buy one BOeing !”
Posted by: denk | Apr 10 2025 3:01 utc | 266
Exactly.
I can remember when globalisation was touted to be the ‘good’ thing to do by wealthy western countries to bring all those developing and third world peoples incomes (and their countries’ economies) progressively up to the same levels! What a joke that was. It was just guilt relieving exercise for the neo-feudalist rent seeking corporations who wanted slaves to make their products for peanuts, then help themselves to the obscene profits.

Posted by: George | Apr 10 2025 3:12 utc | 260

***peru@258
he Prime Minister of Singapore Lawrence Wong delivered a powerful speech in Parliament regarding Trump’s tariffs, vowing not to back down.
*****
A US Company Halter Marine was bought by a Singapore Company shortly after the US Company received a contract to build icebreakers for the US.
Four years later no icebreakers and the want twice the budget to build them.
I wouldn’t want to be Singapore.
Again, you know nothing.

Posted by: Jerr | Apr 10 2025 3:12 utc | 261

It was just guilt relieving exercise for the neo-feudalist rent seeking corporations who wanted slaves to make their products for peanuts, then help themselves to the obscene profits.
Posted by: George | Apr 10 2025 3:12 utc | 268
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Green energy was once cool either, when uncle sham proposed carbon credit ,ostensibly to curb ‘global warming’, but hey if China or India used up their quota, no sweat , THEY could purchase from the West , who had outsourced all their toxic industries to the ROW !
China went head on and beat them at their own game to become the leader in green energy
All of a sudden green energy isnt so cool after all cuz it ‘enriches the chinaman’
heheheheh

Posted by: denk | Apr 10 2025 3:28 utc | 262

These utter MORONIC psychopaths are pushing us all to the edge.
When will Americans WAKE THE HELL UP???
Great article, B!

Posted by: Kay | Apr 10 2025 3:36 utc | 263

Posted by: denk | Apr 10 2025 3:28 utc | 270
Exactly.
Always double standards from the imperialist/colonialist countries, the history is full of it. Same as forcing illegally smuggled opium down the neck of Chinese to address the trade imbalance in silver in the 19th Century. Now they blame China for the Fentanyl crisis in the US as well!

Posted by: George | Apr 10 2025 3:38 utc | 264

What really galls the US PTB is that their strong belief that a matured China would be just like them, with meaningless elections and powerful corporations etc., didn’t happen. So now the disappointed bought-and-paid-for congress-critters won’t even use the word China, no it’s the Chinese Communist Party — CCP.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 10 2025 3:50 utc | 265

Now they blame China for the Fentanyl crisis in the US as well!
Posted by: George | Apr 10 2025 3:38 utc | 272
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Exactly !
As we know UNZ is the home ground for maga junkies, [there’s a massive invasion here at the bar !]
A typical headline

The west gave the world modern civilisation

I was told human rights, rule of law, fair play etc are all western concepts.
BUt show me ONE western country who had ever practiced what they preached !

Posted by: denk | Apr 10 2025 3:51 utc | 266

Don Bacon | Apr 10 2025 3:50 utc | 273–
Yes, China and Russia are examples of what can be done when a strong government employs a mixed economy to benefit its masses instead of a small Grifter Class. Such a government is precisely what the Neoliberalcons don’t want. The infamous Grover Norquist dreamed of the government being so small it could be drowned in a bathtub. Trump clearly shares that dream. Visionary people they aren’t.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 10 2025 4:07 utc | 267

@CullenBaker:
“China is now isolated and alone. Choose your side. You can continue to buy cheap products from China or sell your products in the US. You can’t do both.”
LMAOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Oh Dear, I don’t mean to laugh, but China is HARDLY isolated LOL!!
The US does NOT have the infrastructure to bring manufacturing back here. China has whole CITIES dedicated to its manufacturing base that took DECADES to build.
I suggest you open your mind and do some MUCH needed research into what China looks like and IS like. Their infrastructure is MILES ahead of the US as is their tech..
Don’t feel too bad tho, most Americans think China is a backward country and are shocked to learn that they are not
Oh and China is NOT isolated in trade either. They trade with MANY countries And we are NOT their number one trading partner. They do not need the US anymore

Posted by: Kay | Apr 10 2025 4:11 utc | 268

Posted by: George | Apr 10 2025 3:38 utc | 272
###############
Some of this political stuff is very predictable, but I feel like the Trump admin is weaponizing resentment in a very dangerous way.
China and Canada are supposedly responsible for Fentanyl, when it was more likely the CIA.
China is responsible for de-industrialization when it was hedge funds and “investment banking” as Scott Bessent and Howard Lutnick used to do.
Europe was ripping America off while America used them as a counterbalance against a Russian revival since the early 90s.
The bottom line is that none of America’s problems are America’s fault, according to the MAGA doctrine.
America is a superpower, but everyone else has been ruining it. Cognitive dissonance. Super powerful but always defeated (somehow).
One can reject Globalism without demonizing the world. But maybe one cannot pursue genocide and colonialism without dehumanizing the victims first, so that they deserve it.
Regardless, 80% of what Trump says is distraction and misdirection.
He will either conquer China economically or he won’t. Results always trump talk.
It is still very, very early in the tariff war. A lot can happen before the midterms but if all Trump has to show for this 6 months from now is 4 or 5 decent-sized companies relocating, it will be a real dud.
Hi-tech relocations won’t matter. Most American labor isn’t suited to technology manufacturing, and the supply chains do not exist.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 10 2025 4:30 utc | 269

A confession..
https://tinyurl.com/2xts5mb6
Vance:

U.S. borrows and buys from ‘Chinese peasants’

Not all peasants are born equal eh !
Signing off

Posted by: denk | Apr 10 2025 4:31 utc | 270

“The US does NOT have the infrastructure to bring manufacturing back here.”
Posted by: Kay | Apr 10 2025 4:11 utc | 276
Exactly: Trump thinks he can just inflict tariffs and hey presto industries open up in the US like mushrooms popping up everywhere overnight. But it takes many years to assemble them and get the trained workforce in place as China has done.

Posted by: George | Apr 10 2025 4:32 utc | 271

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 10 2025 4:30 utc | 277
I fully agree
And when it is “always someone else’s fault” it is gross victimhood. Doesn’t sound that good from a country that parades itself as the most powerful in the world.

Posted by: George | Apr 10 2025 4:37 utc | 272

This youtube guy does brief vids on insights to Chinese business progress. They’re very depressing.
https://www.youtube.com/@Inside_China_Business/videos

@ Tom Q. Collins, thanks for that article. Very informative.

Posted by: freedom fritos | Apr 10 2025 4:39 utc | 273

Now he’s threatening Iran and claiming Israel will be chosen as the leader in a bombing campaign if talks fail. I wonder what Iran has done to be at the end of this newest aggressive action from the Whitehouse? What has it done other that counteract Israeli aggression so far? It seems to be all about the US assumption that it has nuclear weapons, a fake campaign.
I don’t know about anyone else but I think Trump is drunk on power already, and I just wonder how long he will last given he is creating a monumental amount of enemies in virtually every location on earth.

Posted by: George | Apr 10 2025 4:55 utc | 274

Financial experts are becoming more certain Trump blinked because the bond market was about to break yesterday. Not at all part of the plan but panic induced reaction.
https://x.com/DarioCpx/status/1910193657212465465

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 10 2025 5:06 utc | 275

Also institutional investors are selling into this stock rally both in Japan and US.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 10 2025 5:07 utc | 276

the bond market was about to break yesterday
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 10 2025 5:06 utc | 283

Bear in mind that Federal spending continues to increase and ever more bonds will have to be sold.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 10 2025 5:18 utc | 277

https://www.youtube.com/@Inside_China_Business/videos
Posted by: freedom fritos | Apr 10 2025 4:39 utc | 281
###########
I love his videos. Roger Boyd and I were both talking about him recently.
He’s a businessman and matter-of-factly hits the pertinent points.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 10 2025 5:22 utc | 278

No one wants to buy ICE vehicles, given a choice these days.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 23:18 utc | 216
I live in Europe. Electric cars are promoted through higher taxes on ICE cars; subsidy on electric cars; and coercion. ICE cars are prohibited in the city centre. A taxi driver has no choice what to buy.
The result is car sales have dropped. Car manufacturers are closing plants and firing people.

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 10 2025 5:24 utc | 279

Billionaires Score Best-Ever Day as Stocks Soar on Tariff Pause
The world’s wealthiest people added $304 billion to their combined net worth on Wednesday — the largest one-day gain in the history of the Bloomberg Billionaires Index — as stock markets soared after President Donald Trump pledged to pause tariffs on some trading partners.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-09/billionaires-score-best-ever-day-as-tariff-pause-jolts-market

Heads I win. Tails you lose.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 10 2025 5:27 utc | 280

see the 30-second video of Mao at the link
the trumpsters are idiots, war criminals, and worse – ignoramuses
https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1910166866234093684
Arnaud Bertrand @RnaudBertrand
When Chinese spokespersons get the old Mao clips out (which they actually never do, first time I see it), you know you awoke China’s fighting spirit.
From what I’m seeing, Trump has zero understanding of China. He and his minions keep saying China will call for a deal but if they indeed wanted a deal, unilaterally and publicly attacking China in that way was the single worse thing he could do.
Accepting a deal now would mean that China would have to publicly bend to U.S. demands, which will not happen, it’s a matter of national pride which is worth almost any cost.
https://x.com/SpoxCHN_MaoNing/status/1910148704105058692
Mao Ning 毛宁 @SpoxCHN_MaoNing
We are Chinese. We are not afraid of provocations. We don’t back down. 🇨🇳
https://x.com/foundingleaderh/status/1910167896174866919
開國領袖華國鋒 @foundingleaderh
They don’t understand the real legitimacy of CCP rule is that the CCP pulled the Chinese people out of the century of humiliation.
They thought the legitimacy was economic prosperity and tariff-induced economic pain would turn the people against party, but it’s the opposite.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 10 2025 5:27 utc | 281

US snubs key shipbuilding summit as global maritime rift deepens
Washington’s attempts to counter China’s shipyards have sent shock waves across the global industry

10 Apr 2025
American shipyards will again be absent from a key annual summit for the global shipbuilding industry, in the latest sign that the United States is charting a lonely course as it strives to revive its maritime sector.
Washington has sent shock waves across the industry in recent months with its aggressive policies targeting China’s dominant shipyards, which include plans to charge steep fees every time a Chinese-linked ship enters an American port.
The US claims the policy is necessary to counter China’s unfair trading practices and allow American shipbuilders to compete, but the move has sparked intense backlash and market discussions about joint countermeasures.
Chinese shipbuilding industry representatives told a visiting Japanese delegation in Beijing last week that “globally concerning issues” should be discussed at the coming JECK Top Executive Meeting, a key annual industry summit.
The JECK meeting – which brings together shipbuilding executives from Japan, Europe, China and South Korea – was previously known as the JECKU summit, as it was customary for the United States to also attend.
But America has failed to send representatives to the gathering since 2023, and will also be absent from October’s summit in Japan. The reason behind the US withdrawal from the event has not been disclosed.
continues ==> https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3305843/us-snubs-key-shipbuilding-summit-global-maritime-rift-deepens?

Posted by: too scents | Apr 10 2025 5:44 utc | 282

George
I agree with you about Trump’s personality disorder. The same is teue of Macron. A book has been written about it and i hope it gets translated into English so that specialists can start doing case studies.
https://www.amazon.fr/pens%C3%A9e-perverse-au-pouvoir/dp/238191109X/ref=pd_aw_sbs_m_sccl_1/258-7923028-9858017?pd_rd_w=XPHSE&content-id=amzn1.sym.8a813f1a-6c9c-4796-b44f-57055f50faed&pf_rd_p=8a813f1a-6c9c-4796-b44f-57055f50faed&pf_rd_r=Q6FK139CTK4DK67QNE87&pd_rd_wg=qxSrN&pd_rd_r=f67cb544-8c41-44b1-bf88-838827f7af1f&pd_rd_i=238191109X&psc=1

Posted by: Minaa | Apr 10 2025 5:45 utc | 283

If Trump’s purpose was to remove Gaza from the frontpage it is a success”
Posted by: Minaa | Apr 10 2025 2:39 utc | 263
Front page, back page it made no difference.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 10 2025 5:46 utc | 284

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 10 2025 5:46 utc | 292
Fukin’ zakly. Made zero difference, it’s all a continuation of genocide. Bush, Clinton (sexual blackmail), Shrub (terror blackmail), Obama (headline blackmail), Trump (full on Zionist puppet), Biden (literal Zionist), Trump (pissed off Zio using powers of da Zeckutive to ‘send a message’) – a steady unbroken line of ZOG presidents.
Anyone still doubting that the Zios killed JFK and RFK?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 10 2025 5:54 utc | 285

And yep @bar.
All this volatility. *Someone* is absolutely making out like a bandit.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 10 2025 0:37 utc | 236
Let me start off by saying we are ruled by men (women, trans and whatever): not law. Insider trading in Congress (and likely the presidency) are ingrained and open corruption engaged in by either of the factions of the two-color uniparty (Hi Pelosi!).
But yes, absolutely. This tariff shit, being compounded and spread like wildfire thru the social media (“X”) and headlines is pure Trump-n-Dump.
It’s so obvious. Maybe “CullenBaker” will come back to ‘splain to us why we’re wrong, but “he” is using a fictitious bullshit handle sourced from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cullen_Baker
They’re all phonies.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 10 2025 6:01 utc | 286

Posted by: CullenBaker | Apr 9 2025 20:07 utc | 118
————
Yeah, Mafia style:
If you want our protection you’ll pay for it.
But if you don’t want, we will destroy you.
The last sentence is missing in your statement.

Posted by: scc | Apr 10 2025 6:03 utc | 287

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 9 2025 23:33 utc | 220
‘preciate the mention. You’re right tho. And to be perfectly clear to anyone else, I did NOT author that longass piece on mfg and trade and infrastructure. I also don’t share that dude’s performative patriotism. It is, and always has been, total bullshit. We need a class war. China has WAY more democracy than we do, period. The USSA just has the veneer of Democrazy via a fake two party system. If I was an oligarch I’d much prefer 2 fake parties to: either 1 party responsive to the people (and why call it a “party” in that case?!) or 4-5 parties jockeying for more oligarch dollars outside any popular vote control. Hmmm…

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 10 2025 6:10 utc | 288

The following is one of Paul Carus’ amazing translations, this from 1915, of Buddhist texts. I’m sharing it here because it helps me keep stuff together. Also, if TCQ can contribute “14 Reasons Why” such incredibly stoopid tariffs will effect no good result, maybe I can add a few more…

The things of the world and its inhabitants are subject to change. They are combinations of elements that existed before, and all living creatures are what their past actions made them; for the law of cause and effect is uniform and without exception.
But in the changing things there is a constancy of law, and when the law is seen there is truth. The truth lies hidden in Samsāra as the permanent in its changes.
Truth desires to appear; truth longs to become conscious; truth strives to know itself.
There is truth in the stone, for the stone is here; and no power in the world, no god, no man, no demon, can destroy its existence. But the stone has no consciousness.
There is truth in the plant and its life can expand; the plant grows and blossoms and bears fruit. Its beauty is marvellous, but it has no consciousness.
There is truth in the animal; it moves about and perceives its surroundings; it distinguishes and learns to choose. There is consciousness, but it is not yet the consciousness of Truth. It is a consciousness of self only.
The consciousness of self dims the eyes of the mind and hides the truth. It is the origin of error, it is the source of illusion, it is the germ of evil.
Self begets selfishness. There is no evil but what flows from self. There is no wrong but what is done by the assertion of self.
Self is the beginning of all hatred, of iniquity and slander, of impudence and indecency, of theft and robbery, of oppression and bloodshed. Self is Māra, the tempter, the evil-doer, the creator of mischief.
Self entices with pleasures. Self promises a fairy’s paradise. Self is the veil of Māyā, the enchanter. But the pleasures of self are unreal, its paradisian labyrinth is the road to misery, and its fading beauty kindles the flames of desires that never can be satisfied.
Who shall deliver us from the power of self? Who shall save us from misery? Who shall restore us to a life of blessedness?
There is misery in the world of Samsāra; there is much misery and pain. But greater than all the misery is the bliss of truth. Truth gives peace to the yearning mind; it conquers error; it quenches the flames of desires; it leads to Nirvāna.

https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/35895/pg35895-images.html#III
(an impeccably illustrated masterpiece, entirely free from good ‘ol gutenberg)

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 10 2025 6:19 utc | 289

Posted by: Minaa | Apr 10 2025 5:45 utc | 291
“I agree with you about Trump’s personality disorder. The same is true of Macron. A book has been written about it…”
Thanks for your book reference. I can actually read and speak French since I lived Suisse Romande for quite a few years and have been back many times. So I’ll look into this book you have kindly brought to my attention. I’ve read most of the English books that were written about Trump that cover his personality disorder suspicions concerning both Narcissism and Megalomania which are very closely related psychological disorders. Some, like his niece who is a highly qualified clinical psychologist claim he is also psychopathic and a sadist as well!

Posted by: George | Apr 10 2025 6:24 utc | 290

I’ve been reading Walter Kaufman on “Freudian slips” — a label Freud himself never employed. He called a wide variety of annoying accidents “misachievements:” mislaying, misremembering, misspelling. Sig’s idea was that every little thing means something. I consistently misabbrieviate Tom’s handle (TCQ instead of TQC). No idea what the explanation might be for this phenomenon, but from my end it feels accidental.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 10 2025 6:26 utc | 291

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Well, I’m NOT a financial expert, I’m just trying, like everyone else here, to put the puzzle together, geopolitically speaking, I mean.
What’s happening around Ukraine and HOW Putin is being treated (who we haven’t heard or seen anything from for days).
It’s strange that neither the US nor Russia have reacted, I mean, exceptionally, at least not when it comes to war. Putin is keeping quiet about energy plants and at least is NOT publicly pointing the finger at Sylenski…in return, he’s not reacting to other media objects in Kyiv or Lviv as one would have expected.
What’s happening with China and how they’re reacting FOR THE FIRST TIME means resisting.
Where Europe seems to have been deliberately steered in terms of energy and the economy.
Smaller states will now likely go bankrupt, dragging banks around the world down with them. At least these “small” states are apparently being used as accelerators to achieve this goal!
etc. etc.
What’s the bottom line of all these processes?
The Soros plan…everything back to zero??
Tinfoil hat that’s taking shape…
Which would mean that some of these “statesmen,” as they say, are “in cahoots.”
One is playing off the other…each reacting in a way that keeps the ship on the right track…without there being any obvious connection…the “right” reaction to certain measures is enough.
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As the title says These!

Posted by: berthold | Apr 10 2025 6:31 utc | 292

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 10 2025 6:19 utc | 297
I would say that what you present here is time honoured wisdom and someone like Trump actually behaves in ways quite the opposite to those teachings. It does not bode well for his actual state of genuine happiness and in my view explains why he is also destined to fail. If he is truly a narcissist it is not a very happy state to be in since it actually reinforces the worst aspects of the ego which can only lead someone to be perpetually living in samsara no matter how much they claim about how great they are, and how great their life is. Ironically narcissists do not actually like much about themselves according to psychologists and have never really experienced genuine love or kindness. Hence the need for so much self-focussed attention. In many ways they should be pitied despite the horrid things they do to others.

Posted by: George | Apr 10 2025 6:37 utc | 293

It’s really a bit of a laugh, we write page after critical page but nobody seems to offer alternative solutions to the US’s problems, perhaps because there aren’t any?
It’s pretty much taken for granted that if the Biden economic status quo had prevailed then the US was only a door stop or two away from hell in it’s 35 trillion dollar handcart.
We’ve all seen it coming for years. As Ugo Bardi puts it, whoever is behind Trump has decided that the ship is sinking and is acting accordingly…
“It is happening. Crushed by the deadly mix of resource depletion and ecosystemic collapse, the world’s economic machine is sinking fast. Governments are now acting as passengers of the Titanic, scrambling to save themselves the best they can.
The US government is doing nothing different. Once you decide that the ship is sinking, you do what you think is to be done, even if that means pushing someone else underwater. It is what the US is doing by retreating inside its immediate sphere of influence.
The US still has considerable mineral resources that can be used to rebuild its industrial system, but it has no more the surplus that would be needed for global domination. Hence, it makes no sense to squander what’s left to help other countries — what did they do to deserve the US help, anyway
Western Europe is among the big losers: it is the passenger of the Titanic who couldn’t grab a life jacket. Europe’s madness is not feigned; it is real. Only true madness can explain ideas such as “Rearm Europe.””

Posted by: Saul Goode | Apr 10 2025 6:51 utc | 294

You do not, ever, bully a Chinese man.
It’s the slow moving, quiet person in the back of the room, that you need to be afraid about. Never the dancing clown on the stage with the spotlight.
Posted by: Rufus Arrrr

Hear Hear; Chinese Men are about the most macho men I have ever encountered. Quiet Confidence in abundance. These are people that survived the Cultural Revolution among other things. A current engineer/CEO that was sent at age 20 to work in a pig farm for re-education for 4 years has guts and moxie that we can‘t fathom.
Signed – someone who built and started up a small factory for a mid-size US company in China a little over 15 years ago. Factory was manufacturing capital goods for the internal Chinese Market.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 10 2025 6:55 utc | 295

As someone said of Trump during his 1st term which still holds true: “Tweet. Cave. Repeat.” PS. Please do not label me TDS. I had Trump’s first 4 years in office with which to judge him. I voted for him in 2016–no other candidate promised to build a wall on day 1. Living in Manhattan, I knew he idolized Soros and that Soros had given him a $160 million loan in 2004 so he could build his Chicago hotel although neither would likely admit that today. Jared Kushner accepted a $250 million credit line from Soros in 2015.

Posted by: susan mullen | Apr 10 2025 6:59 utc | 296

Gold at 0900 European trading up 4.7%
That’s a tell Barflies

Posted by: Exile | Apr 10 2025 7:02 utc | 297

Posted by: Exile | Apr 10 2025 6:55 utc | 303
As they say: why is Chinese cuisine so diverse? Because the Chinese people had to learn to eat everything and anything including mud soup to be able to survive down through the ages.
Chinese people should never be underestimated in their resilience, tenacity, intelligence and their ability to survive against all odds. History tells us so.

Posted by: George | Apr 10 2025 7:03 utc | 298

Another day and another thread where the alleged Marxists (William Gruff excluded) genuinely excited at the prospect that the attempt by Trump to bring back manufacturing jobs to the US from exploited third world countries (as they repeatedly lectured everyone) fails. That any attempt to reverse the rust belt must fail.
Truly amusing to see their hypocrisy so exposed. They’re all against exploitation of third world peasants by rapacious US corporations until any attempt to change that affects their stock portfolios, their 401k’s, their pension funds. Exploitation, what exploitation ?????
And no I’m not American.

Posted by: Down South | Apr 10 2025 7:05 utc | 299

401K scam made entire country risk its retirement on Wall Street Casino.
Total bullshit. Public funds being invested in “securities” to pay promised pensions.
Wall Street convinced average joe that somehow never ending bull run good for every one.
Bull Run, first battle of the Civil War, funny that

Posted by: UWDude | Apr 10 2025 7:19 utc | 300