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April 9, 2025
Some Fall-Out From The Tariff Wars

President Trump likely thought that he could press China into making a deal with him. The tariffs he imposed were supposed to create leverage for that.

Instead he found that China is willing and able to fight back:

China said it will raise its tariff on US goods to 84%, retaliating to the hefty new tariffs on its imports that kicked in on Wednesday.

The move came after the Trump administration followed through on a threat to add a 50% tariff on Chinese goods, in addition to 34% reciprocal tariffs, raising the overall tariff rate on Chinese goods to 104%. The steep new duties on China and 184 other US trading partners took effect at 12:01 a.m. ET on Wednesday.

Beijing's move marks further deterioration in US-China trade relations after China vowed on Tuesday to "fight to the end" in the renewed trade war.

When the U.S. launched its proxy war in Ukraine against Russia it thought that it could defeat Russia by economic means. A wall of sanctions and other restrictions were to destroy the Russian economy. But Russia was prepared and much stronger than the U.S. had anticipated. Its economy did better than those of the countries which opposed it.

A similar miscalculation seems to have happened with regards to China.

Trump is not knowledgeable about China's mighty economy. Vice-President Vance recently called China's highly qualified work force 'peasants'. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent is likewise ignorant:

I advised Scott Bessent, now Trump's Secretary of the Treasury who is leading the tariff war, in 2013 when he was still with Soros. An investment bank engaged me to advise Bessent on China's economy and consumer trends and go over my book The End of Cheap China.

I took an instant disliking – Bessent was one of the most arrogant and ignorant on China people I had ever met. He was uber bearish on China and was largely ideologically driven in his analysis. Communist countries couldn't succeed was basically the jist of his views.

Data and rational analysis did not reign supreme.

He thinks America has the upper hand with China right now. I worry for America. We have one of the most ignorant on China yet arrogant people I've ever met running a trade war against China.

Along with trouble in the stock and treasury markets we now can see trade between the U.S. and not only China but large parts of South Asia comes to a screeching halt:

Amid escalating trade tensions between China and the United States, some Chinese exporters are taking the drastic step of ditching shipments mid-voyage and surrendering containers to shipping companies to avoid crushing tariff costs.

Industry insiders have dubbed the move “preparing for the Long March”, a grim metaphor for what many see as a prolonged and punishing downturn in cross-Pacific trade.

A staff member at a China-listed export company, who requested anonymity, said its US-bound container volume had plummeted from 40 to 50 containers a day to just three to six as a result of the new tariffs on Chinese imports imposed by the second Trump administration.

“We’ve halted all shipping plans from the Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia and Malaysia,” the employee said. “Every factory order is halted. Anything that hasn’t been loaded will be scrapped, and the cargo already at sea is being re-costed.”

Those are goods that U.S. importers expected to see but which will not be delivered. Not even to higher prices. It may take a few weeks until the effects will be seen in U.S. stores but empty shelves, especially for low value everyday stuff, are now sure to appear.

There are no other producers to take up the space.

This will hit the U.S. much more than China:

The Chinese trade surplus with the US is about 3% of its GDP. China would not lose off of that; it would wind up redirecting a lot of those goods to other countries that would only welcome the extra stuff up to a point, or even sell more domestically. But China could weather the hit. Economic suffering that clearly results from US malevolence would also be unifying, while a sluggish economy due to the deflating of a monster property bubble is much less so.

Trump is proposing to make this dire situation worse by sanctioning pharmaceuticals.

The only way inflicting this level of punishment on Americans (a huge spike in untreated illnesses, on top of the economic distress from sudden rises in costs and resulting spending cutbacks that will result in business failures, high inflation (conceivably hyperinflation if the destruction of productive capacity is large enough, and readers know I hate the casual use of the “h” word), and a big uptick in unemployment, is if the plan is to produce so much upheaval as to justify the imposition of martial law. But who wants to be the emperor of a hellhole?

On Monday I had quoted Adam Tooze who provided a scenario of rising Treasury interest:

Rather than investors piling into Treasuries driving the price up, instead, we could see investors selling Treasuries en masse.

At this point we would expect to see the Fed step in, not just to lower interest rates, as is now commonly expected, but do more drastic interventions.

But [..] what if investors, both American and foreign decide, that they no longer wish to hitch their wagon to the empire of the mad king? What if they decide that the US is indeed exceptional, but that it is exceptional in rather nasty ways? […] Well in that case, holding billions in dollars newly created by the Fed does not give you the security you want.

So you sell the dollars. You just want out of the mad house.

This, Ladies and Gentleman, would be the truly big disaster.

The unthinkable move in Treasury happened last night:

Treasury yields spiked on Wednesday as investors bailed out of what has been perceived as the world’s safest instrument on expectations of crumbling foreign demand as tariffs take effect.

The yield on the 10-year Treasury spiked to as high as 4.516%. Yields move in the opposite direction to prices.

Yields settled down after China called for dialogue with the U.S. on trade, and then moved right back near the highs of the day after China said it was increasing its tariffs on the U.S. to 84%.

The yield on the 30-year Treasury was 4.91%, having earlier peaked above 5%.

“Something has broken tonight in the bond market. We are seeing a disorderly liquidation,” said Jim Bianco, president and macro strategist at Bianco Research.

[T]ariffs are devastating to bonds — not only do they have an inflationary impact, but they result in fewer dollars being sent to foreign countries that have traditionally recycled them into financial assets and U.S. Treasury securities in particular.

Peter Schiff @PeterSchiff – 10:51 UTC · Apr 9, 2025

U.S. stocks, bonds, and the dollar are all down. This is a broad-based liquidation of U.S. assets. Trump claims his tariffs will cause foreigners to invest in the U.S. to avoid the tariffs. Instead, tariffs have already resulted in foreigners pulling their money out of the U.S.

Rising interests is the last thing the Trump administration wanted to see. It wants to borrow more to be able to cut taxes. But with interest rates on the rise it will become more difficult to cover the U.S. deficit.

The real damage though will probably happen in smaller Asian countries who have borrowed in U.S. dollar and, due to tariff and trade troubles and rising interest rates, will have difficulties to pay back their loans. If they default the western banks who have lend them the money will go down with them. The trade trouble could thus develop into a serious banking crisis.

These are interesting times to live in …

Comments

@Exile | Apr 9 2025 19:45 utc | 94
re: “You do understand that its not a worldwide trade war / it’s just one middle sized economy ( the USA ) trying start a trade war with the R.O.W. — China will keep exporting to the rest of the world.”
You got it. —
In 2023 total world China exports were $3,513.24B, including US$501.22B to the US, or fourteen percent of the total.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 9 2025 19:51 utc | 101

Posted by: rk | Apr 9 2025 19:50 utc | 98
Exactly. It’s another short term pump-and-dump, but on a market scale. I follow the ‘bear’ indices over a few weeks and it’s obvious.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2025 19:52 utc | 102

Now that the market is up +10%.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 9 2025 19:49 utc | 96

Traders that sold protection against the market falling got crushed.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2025 19:52 utc | 103

If China gets import tariffs from US, China will probably just sell its products to US through countries which have no/lower tariffs. So this whole thing will leak a lot.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 9 2025 19:53 utc | 104

You then have about five years or so before they steal your IP, manufacture your product, sell it below cost, and run you out of business.
Posted by: CullenBaker | Apr 9 2025 18:27 utc | 38
Sounds like the USA circa 1890, but of course, you knew that.

Here in Italy, everybody knows that the telephone was invented by Antonio Meucci.
Unfortunately, he applied for a patent to a Patent Office employee named Alexander Graham Bell, who blatantly stole his invention.
Later, when Marconi invented RADIOTELEGRAPHY, he was likely well aware of what happened to Meucci; so he played safe and took advantage of his British mother to patent Radio in Rome AND London. And nobody messed with the UK around 1895…

Posted by: mauro | Apr 9 2025 19:54 utc | 105

And I have no doubt US Companies are going to source their components/Commodities/products from China through third countries/partie. Apple already gave an indication flying in iPhones through another country.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 9 2025 19:54 utc | 106

Traders that sold protection against the market falling got crushed.
Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2025 19:52 utc | 103
Momentarily. I’m no quant, or even sophisticated day trader, but any protection that has a window longer than 1 month will likely end up paying out just fine.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2025 19:55 utc | 107

LOL “China doesn’t trade it sells.”
🤡
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China has a one trillion dollar surplus with the world. For all intents and purposes all it imports are raw materials and agriculture.

Posted by: CullenBaker | Apr 9 2025 19:56 utc | 108

a window longer than 1 month
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2025 19:55 utc | 107

By this metric Trump has paused the rollout of reciprocal tariffs by three windows.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2025 19:58 utc | 109

rk (98).
We learned form the blowing up of the Nordstream pipelines – that the goal was to replace Russian goods (in this case oil/gas) with more expensive US oil/gas – and Europeans fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The long term goal must surely be, to replace Chinese goods with goods, from, if not China – at least several more friendly or allied countries, until the USA can produce these goods itself, if that is the plan – but surely the main goal is to damage the Chinese economy.
No doubt US businesses, will now set up in countries outside China, again where costs are much lower than the USA.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 9 2025 19:58 utc | 110

@Posted by: unimperator | Apr 9 2025 19:49 utc | 96
If you take the text as it is, it means he has offered the gift of 10% from 0%, but only for 90 days! Or is it -10% and he pays you for exports? Anyone here speaks president Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho’s language?

Posted by: rk | Apr 9 2025 19:59 utc | 111

He gave himself 90 days to flatten the curves.
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 9 2025 19:09 utc | 75

LOL.
A 90 day pause versus a 30y Treasury, what will the markets choose?
Will China back down, will traders find trust again, will the ROW say ‘Actually, US, you’re not that important any more’?
China has stuff, US has paper.
Tune in tomorrow to find out.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Apr 9 2025 20:02 utc | 112

Mark2 | Apr 9 2025 18:00 utc | 22

America is a total right off.

That’s a typo, right ?

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 9 2025 20:02 utc | 113

The US is grinding Russia down via Ukraine and bringing China to its knees via tariffs. Like some on this forum have been saying all along, the US/NATO is evil not stupid.
Posted by: bored | Apr 9 2025 19:23 utc | 81
LOL, it’s Russia grinding down NATO and China will do just fine. Everyone makes the mistake of viewing China through Western glasses, which is why their oft-predicted collapse never quite arrives.
Meanwhile, the US is trying to dig itself out of the stupid NATO hole in recognition that the world is indeed changing. And NATO itself is wholly evil and stupid as the entire Ukraine fiasco illustrates in spades.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Apr 9 2025 19:44 utc | 93
The outcome is still a bit in flux right now.
One name that I haven’t seen is brazil, with 10% tariffs and us behind china in international trade…
That should be an important card.

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 9 2025 20:03 utc | 114

And I have no doubt US Companies are going to source their components/Commodities/products from China through third countries/partie. Apple already gave an indication flying in iPhones through another country.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 9 2025 19:54 utc | 106
That would be a short term cat and mouse game, how do you think vietnam got 90% right away?

Posted by: Newbie | Apr 9 2025 20:05 utc | 115

In the absence of a recent Ukraine thread, and since Trump is kind of the topic.
https://www.rt.com/news/615413-trump-son-slams-ukraine/

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2025 20:06 utc | 116

In the past, the US wanted to show its’ allies outperformed communism.
The easiest way to do that was to give these allies preferred access to the US market. The German Beetle car, the Japanese transistor radio, The Taiwanese PC clone, the Korean flat panel tv. This undoubtedly made West Germany a richer place then East Germany, South Korea than North Korea, and perhaps contributed to the fall of communism. But this policy also came at at cost to the average American.
I can understand the Americans wanting their factories and farms back.

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 9 2025 20:06 utc | 117

„…… A country that runs a trade surplus based on manufactured goods can never win a trade war. …“
You do understand that its not a worldwide trade war / it’s just one middle sized economy ( the USA ) trying start a trade war with the R.O.W.
China will keep exporting to the rest of the world.
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U.S. consumer spending is more than twice that of the European Union. US consumer spending is equal to the combined consumer spending of the EU, China, and Japan combined.
So, no, it isn’t a middle sized economy. It is the 800 pound gorilla. No advanced economy can survive without access to the US market. China’s market is already closed. The choice for these countries will be to decide if they want to buy cheap shit from China and be denied access to the US market or buy their cheap shit elsewhere and enjoy favorable treatment in the US.
You know the choice they will make.

Posted by: CullenBaker | Apr 9 2025 20:07 utc | 118

I got some rare earth in my garden anyone want to invest ?
And also behind the compost heap is my very own goldmine, look hears a little bag of gold nuggets from it. Any takers, you’ll get very rich trust in me just in me.
Canuck ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 9 2025 20:08 utc | 119

@Republicofscotland | Apr 9 2025 19:37 utc | 87
amerikkka is agreement incapable and greedy to the bone. Look at how amerikkka did to the agreements it made with Canada and Mexico. Global-minus-one will benefit everyone for peace and prosperity (except the one) without worrying about flip-flops and endless demands of tributes. China advocates Peace and Development (和平發展) for some time already.
The famous Chinese author Su Xun (苏洵, 1009-1066 AD) in Song Dynasty had a commentary about Qin state and the other six during the Chinese Warring States period as follows.
Original Chinese Version

今日割五城,明日割十城,然后得一夕安寝。起视四境,而秦兵又至矣。然则诸侯之地有限,暴秦之欲无厌,奉之弥繁,侵之愈急。故不战而强弱胜负已判矣。至于颠覆,理固宜然。古人云:“以地事秦,犹抱薪救火,薪不尽,火不灭。”此言得之。

English Translation

Qin State, apart from annexing lands through wars, acquired even through their briberies small towns and large cities. Among all these spoils, the bribed towns and cities tremendously outnumbered those procured through wars. Likewise, among six demised sates, the undoing of states due to briberies disconcertingly outpaced the defeating of those via wars. Thus, wars have no bearing on the insatiable greed of Qin State and the tragedies of six states. Just imagine how their founding fathers, to obtain a patch of land, weathered biting cold and burning heat, and toughed out thistles and thorns. However, their descendants didn’t treasure it but frivolously gave it offhand by relinquishing five towns today and ten cities
tomorrow just to pursue peace of a single night. Waking up and looking around, they were surprised to find themselves again besieged by Qin soldiers. Indeed, the lands of six states were limited while the avarice of Qin State was unquenchable. The more frequent the tributes were, the hastier the invasion was. Thus, it is obviously easy to foresee the result of both sides even with no resort to wars, and to claim that their demises were naturally reasonable, just as an ancient saying aptly goes, “The tributes of lands are to Qin as logs are to fire! No more logs, No more fire!”

(The article is available in both Chinese and English here).
amerikkka will NEVER be satisfied until either it breaks or others that it bullies do.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Apr 9 2025 20:10 utc | 120

@JB | Apr 9 2025 18:50 utc | 59
Certainly plausible. Supported by (alleged) retreat from Europe.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 9 2025 20:13 utc | 121

Not surprising the latest move from Trump, it really looks like that the plan was China tariffs all along. Remember that director yesterday that mentioned this exact move from today (pause for all countries except China) which was then denied by White House (as if denying something means jack shit for US at this point).
Of course now we can speculate that the 90 days pause will be done with a lot of countries behind closed doors which indeed as some mention here already, might be to align these countries against China via trade tariffs on Chinese goods or security alignment.
To be honest, outside of BRICS, I have little faith on the ROW that it will not comply with daddy Uncle Sam but I do hope that China had this scenario in mind that is happening now when they preferred to go along with these tariff retaliations. Not sure if those retaliation tariffs from Canada or EU are still going to be added now (maybe it was just fake outrage).
For any half decent country in the world, what happened today should be a signal that it can happen any time for them in the future if they don’t diversify which means still doing trade with countries like China or BRICS. But it also should be a signal for BRICS to properly vet future members that go along with what US did in the last few days.

Posted by: JamesBond | Apr 9 2025 20:14 utc | 122

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2025 19:39 utc | 88
Because they were not edging they were trading for profit.
If you buy put or sell covered calls you don’t go broke.

Posted by: Mario | Apr 9 2025 20:15 utc | 123

I wonder how many billions have been made by ‘guessing’ (nudge nudge wink wink) what Trump would say before he said it and how it would affect the markets. No problem if you are caught insider trading, pardons available for a healthy percentage. 😉

Posted by: andy | Apr 9 2025 20:15 utc | 124

@ CullenBaker | Apr 9 2025 20:07 utc | 118
re: “China’s market is already closed. The choice for these countries will be to decide if they want to buy cheap shit from China. .”
>I guess you missed it. . .
In 2023 total China world exports were $3,513.24B, including US$501.22B to the US, or fourteen percent of the total.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 9 2025 20:16 utc | 125

Posted by: CullenBaker | Apr 9 2025 20:07 utc | 118
US is not stopping other nations from buying from China in order to access the US market, thats false and wont happen. Countries need what China produces.

Posted by: Sonar | Apr 9 2025 20:17 utc | 126

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0waQvGN7Oo
This goes to show that no matter what sort of deal you want to do with vassal countries, they will always sing with the tunes of the master.

Posted by: JamesBond | Apr 9 2025 20:18 utc | 127

Sarlet le Canède @ 113
Liked 👍
Thats funny.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 9 2025 20:19 utc | 128

Has anyone yet made a comprehensive list of all the agreements and international rules (even NATO rules/agreements/clauses as Norway has pointed out) the US has managed to break with this latest nonsense? (I realize it could be a lot of work —I’m not doing it).
Counting individual countries and multiple infractions we’re talking a number that could be in the thousands.
That is the context for Trumps talk about new negotiations 😀
(Direct comparison to JCPOA and Iran).
Thank you Trump 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 9 2025 20:22 utc | 129

Remember, all you self-styled, multi-role Nostradamuses, the internet is forever and most of your predictions about Trump have been a tad-off target, to put it generously. I’ll repeat myself, never bet against the US, it’s a young country with a unique pedigree, and for the past 2-3 decades plus has been run by an increasingly sclerotic and corrupt cabal, which is facing its most sustained and effective challenge since its inception.
Revolution’s in the air, but the self-styled revolutionaries don’t seem to have predicted its emergence or understand its dynamics or underlying trajectory; instead, dismissing and belittling its architects and supporters, traditionally the reaction of the oppressor toward the oppressed, when there’s a perception of an existential threat.

Posted by: Milites | Apr 9 2025 20:22 utc | 130

US is not stopping other nations from buying from China in order to access the US market, thats false and wont happen. Countries need what China produces.
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I suggest you hide and watch.

Posted by: CullenBaker | Apr 9 2025 20:23 utc | 131

Write off not right off.
Snigger
I like the original the best though.
Unintentional.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 9 2025 20:24 utc | 132

These trade agreements are negotiated over years, even so called US allies negotiate for years to get the best agreements. To think anything will be done in 90 days is a joke.
Once again this whole effort reeks of attempting to get a “quick win” via China backing down but alas, all the easy fruit has been picked. I do believe that is was also an attenpt to lower treasury bonds but as someone commented 90 days vs 30 years…….
The US is in decline worldwide don’t assume others will be so quick to hitch their wagons, the Asian countries are not as dumb as the Europeans. So far they are the only ones to have fully hitched themselves to the US wagon and look how great that is working out for them.

Posted by: silverfoxes | Apr 9 2025 20:25 utc | 133

>I guess you missed it. . .
In 2023 total China world exports were $3,513.24B, including US$501.22B to the US, or fourteen percent of the total.
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Why are you proving my point? China exports, it doesn’t import. I realize this board is full of Marxists who don’t really understand things but the old marketing axiom that “The buyer is boss” is there for a reason. Their economy collapses is people quit buying for any reason. Their economic model is unbalanced and flawed.

Posted by: CullenBaker | Apr 9 2025 20:27 utc | 134

According to plan. Ninety day pause for all countries that have called to negotiate. Upped to 125 percent for China.
China is now isolated and alone. Choose your side. You can continue to buy cheap products from China or sell your products in the US. You can’t do both.
Trump through slight of hand actually got the markets to go up more than 2,000 points in about half an hour by announcing a trade war with China, ten percent across the board tariffs, and twenty five percent tariffs in steel and autos.
I don’t know why so many refuse to read his book. It’s all right there. This was entirely predictable. lol
Posted by: CullenBaker | Apr 9 2025 18:12 utc | 27
Well, I tend to agree re: rest of the countries, but following the analogy, that was largely, initially the case with the Dems gamble on Russian isolation and collapse.
But, as Russia persisted and eventually defeated the move, more countries began to quietly support it and BRICS. Plus, China is just such an enormous factor in the world economy it really cannot be isolated.
Wait and watch how China fairs in this little donnybrook and especially note the shift in attitude in the ROW re: US imperialism. You may be surprised.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Apr 9 2025 20:31 utc | 135

CBC is reporting US tariffs on Canada have not been paused or reduced.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 9 2025 20:32 utc | 136

“America” underestimates the difficulty in bringing manufacturing back.
https://x.com/molson_hart/status/1908940952908996984
hint…hint….healthcare and infrastructure seem important! LONG post….

The 14 Reasons Why these Tariffs Will Not Bring Manufacturing Back
They’re not high enough
A tariff is a tax on an imported product. For example, when Apple imports an iPhone that was made in China it declares to the United States government what it paid to make that product overseas. Let’s say it’s $100. When there is a 54% tariff, Apple pays $100 to the manufacturer in China and $54 to the US government when importing. In this simplified example, an iPhone used to cost Apple $100, but it now costs $154. For every dollar Apple spends, Apple needs to make profit. So Apple sells iPhones to stores for double what it pays for them. And stores sell iPhones to consumers like you and me for double what it pays for them, as well.
Before the tariffs, prices looked like this:
Apple bought iPhones it designed for $100
Apple sold iPhones for $200 to stores
Stores sold iPhones to you and me for $400
After the tariffs, prices look like this:
Apple bought iPhones for $154 ($100 + $54 in import taxes)
Apple sells those iPhones for $308 (double what it paid)
Stores sell those iPhones to you and me for $616 (double what they paid)
Now that you know what a tariff is, let me tell to you why they aren’t high enough to bring manufacturing back to the United States.
In short, manufacturing in the United States is so expensive and our supply chain (we’ll explain that next) is so bad that making that iPhone in the United States without that 54% tariff, would still cost more than in China with 54% tariff. Since it still costs less to make the iPhone in China, both Apple and consumers would prefer it be made there, so it will, and not in the USA.
America’s industrial supply chain for many products is weak.
Think of a supply chain as a company’s ability to get the components it needs to build a finished product. Suppose you wanted to build and sell wooden furniture. You’re going to need wood, nails, glue, etc. Otherwise you can’t do it. If you want to build an iPhone you need to procure a glass screen, shaped metal, and numerous internal electronic components.
Now you might be thinking, “what do you mean America has a weak supply chain?” I’ve built furniture, I’ve assembled a computer. I can get everything I want at Home Depot and at Amazon.
That’s because America has an amazing consumer supply chain, one of the best, if not the best in the world, but this is totally different from having an industrial supply chain.
When you’re operating a furniture factory, you need an industrial quantity of wood, more wood than any Home Depot near you has in store. And you need it fast and cheap. It turns out that the United States has a good supply chain for wood, which is why, despite higher wages, we export chopsticks to China. We have abundant cheap wood in the forests of the Northern United States. But if you decided to move that chopstick factory to desert Saudi Arabia, you would not succeed, because their supply chain for wood is poor; there simply aren’t any trees for 1,000s of miles.
When it comes to the iPhone, all the factories which make the needed components are in Asia, which is one reason why, even with a 54% tariff, it’s cheaper to assemble that iPhone in China than in the United States. It’s cheaper and faster to get those components from nearby factories in Asia than it is to get them from the US, which, because said factories no longer exist here, has to buy these components from Asia anyways.
Supply chains sound complicated, but aren’t. If you can’t get the components you need at a reasonable price and timeline to build a finished product, it doesn’t matter what the tariffs are, you have to import it, because you can’t build it locally.
We don’t know how to make it
Apple knows how to build an iPhone, but may not know how to make the individual components. It may seem trivial to make that glass that separates your finger from the electronic engineering that powers your ability to access the internet, but it’s difficult.
The world buys semiconductors from Taiwan, not just because its relatively expensive (but more expensive than China) labor and excellent supply chain, but because they know how to make the best semiconductors in the world. Even with infinite money, we cannot duplicate that, because we lack the knowhow.
A 54% tariff does not solve that problem. We still need to buy semiconductors from Taiwan, which is perhaps why the administration put in an exception for semiconductors, because we need them and because we can’t make them without their help.
This is a problem which applies to more than just semiconductors. We have forgotten how to make products people wrongly consider to be basic, too.
My company makes educational toys from plastic called Brain Flakes. To make Brain Flakes, you melt plastic and force it into shaped metal molds. Were we to import the machines and molds needed to do this, it would work for a little while, but as soon as one of those molds broke, we’d be in trouble, because there are almost no moldmakers left in the United States. The people who knew how to build and repair molds have either passed away or are long retired. In the event of a problem, we’d have to order a new mold from China or send ours back, shutting down production for months.
People trivialize the complexity and difficulty of manufacturing when it’s really hard. And if we don’t know how to make something, it doesn’t matter what the tariff is. It won’t get made in America.
The effective cost of labor in the United States is higher than it looks
Most people think that the reason why we make products in China instead of the United States is cheaper labor. That’s true, but it’s not the whole story. Frankly, the whole story is hard to read. People are not machines, they are not numbers on a spreadsheet or inputs into a manufacturing cost formula. I respect everyone who works hard and the people I have worked with over the years, and I want Americans to live better, happier lives.
Chinese manufacturing labor isn’t just cheaper. It’s better.
In China, there are no people who are too fat to work. The workers don’t storm off midshift, never to return to their job. You don’t have people who insist on being paid in cash so that they can keep their disability payments, while they do acrobatics on the factory floor that the non-disabled workers cannot do.
Chinese workers much less likely to physically attack each other and their manager. They don’t take 30 minute bathroom breaks on company time. They don’t often quit because their out-of-state mother of their children discovered their new job and now receives 60% of their wages as child support. They don’t disappear because they’ve gone on meth benders. And they don’t fall asleep on a box midshift because their pay from yesterday got converted into pills.
And they can do their times tables. To manufacture, you need to be able to consistently and accurately multiply 7 times 9 and read in English, and a disturbingly large portion of the American workforce cannot do that.
Chinese workers work longer hours more happily and they’re physically faster with their hands; they can do things that American labor can’t. It’s years of accumulated skill, but it’s also a culture that is oriented around hard work and education that the United States no longer has.
Sadly, what I describe above are not theoretical situations. These are things that I have experienced or seen with my own eyes. It’s fixable, but the American workforce needs great improvement in order to compete with the world’s, even with tariffs.
So yes, Chinese wages are lower, but there many countries with wages lower than China’s. It’s the work ethic, knowhow, commitment, combined with top notch infrastructure, that makes China the most powerful manufacturing country in the world today.
We don’t have the infrastructure to manufacture
The inputs to manufacturing are not just materials, labor, and knowhow. You need infrastructure like electricity and good roads for transportation, too.
Since the year 2000, US electricity generation per person has been flat. In China, over the same time period, it has increased 400%. China generates over twice as much electricity person today as the United States. Why?
Manufacturing.
To run the machines which make the products we use, you need electricity, a lot of it. We already have electricity instability in this country. Without the construction of huge amounts of new energy infrastructure, like nuclear power plants, we cannot meaningfully increase our manufacturing output.
And it would put huge stress on our roads and create lots more dangerous traffic. When we import finished goods from foreign countries, a truck delivers them from the port or the airport to distribution centers, stores, and where we live and work.
When you start manufacturing, every single component, from factory to factory, needs to be moved, increasing the number of trucks on the road many times.
Paving more roads, modernizing our seaports, improving our airports, speeding up our train terminals, and building power plants in the costliest nation in the world to build is a huge undertaking that people are not appreciating when they say “well, we’ll just make it in America”.
Made in America will take time.
We placed a $50,000 order with our supplier overseas before the election in November 2024. At the time of ordering, there were no import taxes on the goods. By the time it arrived, a 20% tariff had been applied and we had a surprise bill for $10,000. It can easily take 180 days for many products to go from order, to on your doorstep and this tariff policy seems not to understand that.
It takes at least, in the most favorable of jurisdictions, 2 years (if you can get the permits) to build a factory in the United States. I know because I’ve done it. From there, it can take 6 months to a year for it to become efficient. It can take months for products to come off the assembly lines. All this ignores all the infrastructure that will need to be built (new roads, new power plants, etc.) to service the new factory.
By the time “made in America” has begun, we will be electing a new president.
Uncertainty and complexity around the tariffs
To start manufacturing in the United States, a company needs to make a large investment. They will need to buy new machinery and if no existing building is suitable, they will need to construct a new building. These things cost money, a lot, in fact. And significantly more in the USA, than they do in other countries. In exchange for this risk, there must be some reward. If that reward is uncertain, no one will do it.
Within the past month, the president put a 25% tariff on Mexico, and then got rid of it, only to apply it again, and then get rid of it a second time. Then, last week, he was expected to apply new tariffs to Mexico, but didn’t.
If you’re building a new factory in the United States, your investment will alternate between maybe it will work, and catastrophic loss according to which way the tariffs and the wind blows. No one is building factories right now, and no one is renting them, because there is no certainty that any of these tariffs will last. How do I know? I built a factory in Austin, Texas in an industrial area. I cut its rent 40% two weeks ago and I can’t get a lick of interest from industrial renters.
The tariffs have frozen business activity because no one wants to take a big risk dependent on a policy that may change next week.
Even further, the tariffs are confusing, poorly communicated, and complex. Today, if you want to import something from China, you need to add the original import duty, plus a 20% “fentanyl tariff”, plus a 34% “reciprocal tariff”, and an additional 25% “Venezuelan oil” tariff, should it be determined that China is buying Venezualan oil. The problem is there is no list of countries which are importing Venezuelan oil provided by the White House, so you don’t know if you do or don’t need to add that 25% and you also don’t know when any of these tariffs will go into effect because of unclear language.
As such, you can’t calculate your costs, either with certainty or accuracy, therefore, not only do you not build a factory in the United States, you cease all business activity, the type of thing that can cause a recession, if not worse.
For the past month, as someone who runs a business in this industry, I have spent a huge portion of my time just trying to keep up with the constant changes, instead of running my business.
Most Americans are going to hate manufacturing
Americans want less crime, good schools for their kids, and inexpensive healthcare.
They don’t want to be sewing shirts.
The people most excited about this new tariff policy tend to be those who’ve never actually made anything, because if you have, you’d know how hard the work is.
When I first went to China as a naive 24 year old, I told my supplier I was going to “work a day in his factory!” I lasted 4 hours. It was freezing cold, middle of winter, I had to crouch on a small stool, hunched over, assembling little parts with my fingers at 1/4 the speed of the women next to me. My back hurt, my fingers hurt. It was horrible. That’s a lot of manufacturing.
And enjoy the blackouts, the dangerous trucks on the road, the additional pollution, etc. Be careful what you wish for America. Doing office work and selling ideas and assets is a lot easier than making actual things.
The labor does not exist to make good products
There are over a billion people in China making stuff. As of right now there are 12 million people looking for work in the United States (4% unemployment). Ignoring for a moment the comparative inefficiency of labor and the billions of people making products outside of China, where are the people that are going to do these jobs? Do you simply say “make America great again” 3 times and they will appear with the skills needed to do the work?
And where are the managers to manage these people? One of the reasons why manufacturing has declined in the United States is a brain drain towards sectors that make more money. Are people who make money on the stock market, in real estate, in venture capital, and in startups going to start sewing shirts? It’s completely and totally unrealistic to assume that people will move from superficially high productivity sectors driven by US Dollar strength to products that are low on the value chain.
The United States is trying to bring back the jobs that China doesn’t even want. They have policies to reduce low value manufacturing, yet we are applying tariffs to bring it back. It’s incomprehensible.
Automation will not save us.
Most people think that the reason why American manufacturing is not competitive is labor costs. Most people think this can be solved by automation.
They’re wrong.
First, China, on a yearly basis installs 7x as many industrial robots as we do in the United States. Second, Chinese robots are cheaper. Third, most of today’s manufacturing done by people cannot be automated. If it could, it would have already been done so, by China, which, again, has increasingly high labor costs relative to the rest of the world.
The robots you see on social media doing backflips are, today, mostly for show and unreliable off camera. They are not useful in industrial environments where, if a humanoid robot can do it, an industrial machine which is specialized in the task can do it even better. For example, instead of having a humanoid robot doing a repetitive task such as carrying a boxes from one station to another, you can simply set up a cheaper, faster conveyor belt.
Said another way, the printer in your office, is cheaper and more efficient than both a human and a humanoid robot with a pen, hand drawing each letter.
It’s unlikely that American ingenuity will be able to counter the flood of Chinese industrial robots which is coming. The first commercially electrical vehicle was designed and built in the United States, but today China is dominating electric vehicle manufacturing across the world. Industrial robots will likely be the same story.
Robots and overseas factory workers don’t file lawsuits, but Americans do
I probably should not have written this article. Not only will I be attacked for being unpatriotic, but what I have written here makes me susceptible to employment lawsuits. For the record, I don’t use a person’s origin to determine whether or not they will do good work. I just look at the person and what they’re capable of. Doing otherwise is bad business because there are talented people everywhere.
America has an extremely litigious business environment, both in terms of regulation and employment lawsuits. Excessive regulation and an inefficient court system will stifle those with the courage to make in this country.
Enforcement of the tariffs will be uneven and manipulated
Imagine two companies which import goods into the United States. One is based in China, while the other is based in the United States. They both lie about the value of their goods so that they have to pay less tariffs.
What happens to the China company? Perhaps they lose a shipment when it’s seized by the US government for cheating, but they won’t pay additional fines because they’re in China, where they’re impervious to the US legal system.
What happens to the USA company? Owners go to prison.
Who do you think is going to cheat more on tariffs, the China or the US company?
Exactly.
So, in other words, paradoxically, the policies which are designed to help Americans, will hurt them more than the competition these policies are designed to punish.
The tariff policies are structured in the wrong way
Why didn’t the jobs come back in 2018 when we initiated our last trade war? We applied tariffs, why didn’t it work?
Instead of making America great, we made Vietnam great.
When the United States applied tariffs to China, it shifted huge amounts of manufacturing to Vietnam, which did not have tariffs applied to it. Vietnam, which has a labor force that is a lot more like China’s than the United States’, was able to use its proximity to China for its supply chain and over the past 7 or so years, slowly developed its own. With Vietnamese wages even lower than Chinese wages, instead of the jobs coming to the United States, they just went to Vietnam instead.
We’re about to make the same mistake again, in a different way.
Let’s go back to that last example, the China based and the US based companies which were importing goods into the United States. That US based importer could’ve been a manufacturer. Instead of finished iPhones, perhaps they were importing the glass screens because those could not be found in the USA, for final assembly.
Our government applied tariffs to finished goods and components equally.
I’ll say that again. They applied the same tax to the components that you need to make things in America that they did to finished goods that were made outside of America.
Manufacturing works on a lag. To make and sell in America, first you must get the raw materials and components. These tariffs will bankrupt manufacturers before it multiplies them because they need to pay tariffs on the import components that they assemble into finished products.
And it gets worse.
They put tariffs on machines. So if you want to start a factory in the United States, all the machinery you need which is not made here, is now significantly more expensive. You may have heard that there is a chronic shortage of transformers needed for power transmission in the United States. Tariffed that too.
It gets even worse.
There is no duty drawback for exporting. In the past, even in the United States, if you imported something and then exported it, the tariff you paid on the import would be refunded to you. They got rid of that so we’re not even incentivizing exports to the countries that we are trying to achieve trade parity with.
Tariffs are applied to the costs of the goods. The way we’ve structured these tariffs, factories in China which import into the United States will pay lower tariffs than American importers, because the Chinese factory will be able to declare the value of the goods at their cost, while the American importer will pay the cost the factory charges them, which is of course higher than the factory’s cost.
Worse still.
With a few exceptions like steel and semiconductors, the tariffs were applied to all products, ranging from things that we will never realistically make like our high labor Tigerhart stuffed animals to things that don’t even grow in the continental USA, like coffee.
Call me crazy, but if we’re going to make products in America, we could use some really cheap coffee, but no, they tariffed it! Our educational engineering toy Brain Flakes, also got tariffed. How is the next generation supposed to build a manufacturing powerhouse if it cannot afford products that will develop its engineering ability? It’s like our goal was to make education and raising children more expensive.
Not only did we put tariffs on the things that would help us make this transformation, we didn’t put higher tariffs on things that hurt us like processed food which makes us tired and fat or fentanyl precursors which kill us.
The stated goal of many of our tariffs was to stop the import of fentanyl. 2 milligrams of fentanyl will kill an adult. A grain of rice is 65 milligrams. How do you stop that stuff from coming in? It’s basically microscopic.
Maybe we could do what every other country has done and focus on the demand, instead of the supply, ideally starting with the fentanyl den near my house which keeps my children indoors or in our backyard instead of playing in the neighborhood.
It’s frustrating to see our great country take on an unrealistic goal like transforming our economy, when so many basic problems should be fixed first.
Michael Jordan sucked at baseball
America is the greatest economic power of all time. We’ve got the most talented people in the world and we have a multi-century legacy of achieving what so many other countries could not.
Michael Jordan is arguably the greatest basketball player of all time, perhaps even the greatest athlete of all time.
He played baseball in his youth. What happened when he switched from basketball to baseball? He went from being an MVP champion to being a middling player in the minor leagues. 2 years later, he was back to playing basketball.
And that’s exactly what’s going to happen to us.
My prediction for what will happen with the tariffs
This is probably the worst economic policy I’ve ever seen. Maybe it’s just an opening negotiating position. Maybe it’s designed to crash the economy, lower interest rates, and then refinance the debt. I don’t know.
But if you take it at face value, there is no way that this policy will bring manufacturing back to the United States and “make America wealthy again”. Again, if anything, it’ll do the opposite; it’ll make us much poorer.
Many are saying that this tariff policy is the “end of globalization”. I don’t think so.
Unless this policy is quickly changed, this is the end of America’s participation in globalization. If we had enacted these policies in 2017 or 2018, they stood a much stronger chance of being successful. That was before Covid. China was much weaker economically and militarily then. They’ve been preparing 8 years for this moment and they are ready.
China trades much less with the United States as a percent of its total exports today than it did 8 years ago, and as such is much less susceptible to punishing tariffs from the United States today than it was back then.
Chinese made cars, particularly electric vehicles, are taking the world by storm, without the United States. Go to Mexico to Thailand to Germany and you will see Chinese made electric vehicles on the streets. And they’re good, sometimes even better than US made cars, and not just on a per dollar basis, but simply better quality.
That is what is going to happen to the United States. Globalization will continue without us if these policies continue unchanged.
That said, I think the tariffs will be changed. There’s no way we continue to place a 46% tariff on Vietnam when 8 years ago we nudged American companies to put all their production there. Most likely, this policy will continue another round of the same type of investment; rather than replacing made in China with made in the USA, we’ll replace it with made in Vietnam, Mexico, etc.
Finally, in the process of doing this, regardless of whether or not we reverse the policies, we will have a recession. There isn’t time to build US factories, nor is it realistic or likely to occur, and American importers don’t have the money to pay for the goods they import.
People are predicting inflation in the cost of goods, but we can just as easily have deflation from economic turmoil.
The policy is a disaster, how could it be done better? And what’s the point of this anyways?
The 3 reasons why we want to actually bring manufacturing back
1. It makes our country stronger. If a foreign country can cut off your supply of essentials such as food, semiconductors, or antibiotics you’re beholden to that country. The United States must have large flexible capacity in these areas.
2. It makes it easier to innovate. When the factory floor is down the hall, instead of 30 hours of travel away, it’s easier to make improvements and invent. We need to have manufacturing of high value goods, like drones, robots, and military equipment that are necessary for our economic future and safety. It will be difficult for us to apply artificial intelligence to manufacturing if we’re not doing it here.
3. People can simplistically be divided into three buckets: those of verbal intelligence, those of mathematical intelligence, and those of spatial intelligence. Without a vibrant manufacturing industry, those with the latter type of intelligence cannot fulfill their potential. This is one reason why so many men drop out, smoke weed, and play video games; they aren’t built for office jobs and would excel at manufacturing, but those jobs either don’t exist or pay poorly.
How to actually bring manufacturing back
Every country that has gone on a brilliant run of manufacturing first established the right conditions and then proceeded slowly.
We’re doing the opposite right now, proceeding fast with the wrong conditions.
First, the United States must fix basic problems which reduce the effectiveness of our labor. For example, everyone needs to be able to graduate with the ability to do basic mathematics. American healthcare is way too expensive and it needs to be fixed if the United States wants to be competitive with global labor. I’m not saying healthcare should be socialized or switched to a completely private system, but whatever we’re doing now clearly is not working, and it needs to be fixed.
We need to make Americans healthy again. Many people are too obese to work. Crime and drugs. It needs to stop.
And to sew, we must first repair the social fabric.
From Covid lockdowns to the millions of people who streamed over our border, efforts must be made to repair society. Manufacturing and economic transformations are hard, particularly the way in which we’re doing it. Patriotism and unity are required to tolerate hardship, and we seem to be at all-time lows for those right now.
Let’s focus on America’s strengths in high end manufacturing, agriculture, and innovation instead of applying tariffs to all countries and products blindly. We should be taxing automated drones for agriculture at 300% to encourage their manufacture here, instead of applying the same blanket tariff of 54% to that that we apply to t-shirts.
The changes in the policies needed are obvious. Tax finished products higher than components. Let exporters refund their import duties. Enforce the tariffs against foreign companies more strenuously than we do against US importers.
If American companies want to sell in China, they must incorporate their, register capital, and name a person to be a legal representative. To sell in Europe, we must register for their tax system and nominate a legal representative. For Europeans and Chinese to sell in the United States, none of this is needed, nor do federal taxes need to be paid.
We can level the playing field without causing massive harm to our economy by adopting policies like these which cause foreign companies to pay the taxes domestic ones pay.
And if we want to apply tariffs, do it slowly. Instead of saying that products will be tariffed at 100% tomorrow, say they’ll be 25% next year, 50% after that, 75% after that, and 100% in year four. And then make it a law instead of a presidential decree so that there is certainty so people feel comfortable taking the risks necessary to make in America.
Sadly, a lot of the knowhow to make products is outside of this country. Grant manufacturing visas, not for labor, but for knowhow. Make it easy for foreign countries to teach us how they do waht they do best.
Conclusion and final thoughts.
I care about this country and the people in it. I hope we change our mind on this policy before it’s too late. Because if we don’t, it might break the country. And, really, this country needs to be fixed.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2025 20:33 utc | 137

Posted by: John Gilberts | Apr 9 2025 20:32 utc | 136
There’s a decent chance banking cartel will screw the retail investor one more time.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 9 2025 20:38 utc | 138

WH says tariffs on Mexico and Canada remain in effect.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 9 2025 20:40 utc | 139

A Fox News mouthpiece named Jesse Watters recently spilled the beans: This American trade war against China is ultimately part of a broader American war to “destroy China” (his words) by curtailing its exports, causing a social implosion, and thus maintaining American world dominance.
This is the true sociopathic nature of America First.
As such, now would be an excellent opportunity for China to dump all of its US Treasury “debt” that ultimately helps bankrolls the parasitic American way of life, economy, and soon-to-be $1 trillion dollar war machine.
The USA will never admit this, but America is vampire that lives by sucking the financial blood of the world through the US Dollar reserve currency, which is why other nations pay imperial tribute to the USA in the form of buying this US debt (which will never be paid back in full).
Dedollarization is the stake through the heart of this American vampire.
That is why Trump was so massively triggered earlier this year and threatened BRICS nations for considering the DeDollarization of its trade with each other.

Posted by: ak74 | Apr 9 2025 20:41 utc | 140

The level of Trump Derangement Syndrome, together with the levels of utter misunderstanding of how supply chains work and the effort required to not only build a new factory but the whole supply chain and social ecosystem around it, has gone full retard for a number of commenters.
The US exports to China are predominantly raw materials and some manufactures that can be readily replaced by China, which is the manufacturing centre of the world. Chinese exports to the US are predominantly manufactured goods, which the de-industrialized US with a failing educational system and rentier style capitalism cannot replace in less than many years or even more if at all. Other countries, such as even Vietnam, do not have the depth and scale of Chinese manufacturing and therefore will be more expensive to source from; even after they have done all the hard work to expand capacity / produce new goods.
China is also rapidly moving up the manufacturing value-added chain, and therefore like Japan with South Korea in the 1960s, is happy to offload less value-added and complex activities to other countries. Expect a proliferation of Chinese-owned factories in place like Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia and even further away places. Very much like the US outward investment wave after WW2. In the meantime, China can easily offset the 2% or so hit from exports to the US.
The US will be cutting itself from the most dynamic industrial sector in the world, making it somewhat like the old East German GDR in not being able to utilize the advances in China. If Trump does not climb down the US is finished.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Apr 9 2025 20:45 utc | 141

Soybeans, aircraft, and petroleum.
Two commodities and highly technical manufactured goods. First, let’s talk about aircraft. China won’t be buying aircraft from the US much longer. That’s a fact. So no loss there.
As for soybeans and petroleum. Please, they have to be bought somewhere. How did those sanctions work on Russia? Did they keep them from selling oil?
What will happen is that China will look elsewhere like Brazil for soybeans and oil. Brazil will sell China all the soybeans they can produce at a nice little premium. Then Brazil will turn around and buy soybeans from the US to fill their other orders or for domestic use. Everybody profits, except for China which now pays more for soybeans than it did before it slapped tariffs on US soybeans.

Posted by: CullenBaker | Apr 9 2025 20:45 utc | 142

Trump said he reversed tariffs because people ‘were afraid, bit yippy and yappy’. Are you entertained?
https://x.com/Kanthan2030/status/1910056351784632699

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 9 2025 20:47 utc | 143

@140,
Yes, De-dollarization should be the main key moving further but there also should be a payment mechanism between states bypassing the existing Western SWIFT controlled system. Without an alternative, it would be difficult for smaller countries to resist on the long run. Which is way (I’m going to say it again), I believe that BRICS should’ve already started it some time ago.

Posted by: JamesBond | Apr 9 2025 20:48 utc | 144

Seems like a lot of people are seeing what they want to see. Whether what they want to see has any relation to reality — time will tell!
Important facts to keep in mind — the financial markets are not the Real Economy on which citizens depend; and the US stock markets have been wildly over-priced for years now. The financial markets have been poised on the edge of a precipice for some time, just waiting for something to give way. What effect the inevitable drop in the financial markets will have on the Real Economy is debatable, and will play out over months, years, decades.
Settle down, folks. Settle down!

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Apr 9 2025 20:50 utc | 145

@ CullenBaker | Apr 9 2025 20:27 utc | 134
re: “China exports, it doesn’t import.”
Exactly, and as now China exports more to the non-US 85% in Asia and Europe especially, while the shelves empty out in US Walmart stores. So who’s hurt by this? Not China, not Europe, and not Asia.
Again, In 2023 total China world exports were $3,513.24B, including US$501.22B to the US, or fourteen percent of the total.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 9 2025 20:51 utc | 146

@: Roger Boyd | Apr 9 2025 20:45 utc | 141
‘… manufactured goods, which the de-industrialized US with a failing educational system and rentier style capitalism cannot replace in less than many years or even more if at all.
Yes. One must wonder how much understanding of manufacturing (other than Musk) exists in the Trump Team?

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 9 2025 20:54 utc | 147

Exactly, and as now China exports more to the non-US 85% in Asia and Europe especially, while the shelves empty out in US Walmart stores. So who’s hurt by this? Not China, not Europe, and not Asia.
Again, In 2023 total China world exports were $3,513.24B, including US$501.22B to the US, or fourteen percent of the total.
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Well, good. You should probably go find a bookmaker in the UK to give you odds that countries won’t line up to kiss Uncle Sugar’s ass in D.C. and that Uncle Sugar won’t demand an alignment against China, then bet the house. You’ll be rich since it is a sure thing, right?

Posted by: CullenBaker | Apr 9 2025 20:56 utc | 148

Trump delaying Reciprocal Tariff (except 10%) for 90 days is seen by many as Trump folded. It is an adjustment as he sees China is not going to give in easily and focus his attention on China.
Here is my assessment of what could happen next
China retaliation
Possible, but not needed. China already charging 84% tariff on US imports which make them not competitive anyway. If China wants to escalate, it could go after US service sector (which has huge trade surplus with China). China will likely keep reducing UST holding in the meantime and use the proceed to buy gold and other reserve commodities. Trump’s action literally unite 1.4B to stand behind Xi and CPC will not back down, they are prepared for complete decouple. US companies operating in China will get hit by nationalistic emotions. Their revenue will decline over time in China impacting their overall profitability.
China would probably focus more on what next after USA. There has been discussion that China may form a zero/low tariff community, literally a WTO without USA, to trade with whoever want to join. Given China’s market size for other to export to and China exports that cover from low end to high end on all products at reasonable price. And everyone knows they will never benefit from trading with US (this is idea behind the Reciprocal Tariff), US will squeeze them after the 90 days halt. Some maybe open to joining it. BRICS would likely be the backbone for this
We will have 2 trading blocks in the near future
US next steps
Trump will need to appease his base first
Farmers, devastated by China tariff on U.S. import, will need to be taken care of. Govt subsidies will need to come to support them for years to come.
Today’s action is a bail out of Wall Street and Trump’s hedge fund donors. IMHO, this maybe a short reprieve as the fundamental does not change. Stock market bubble has bursted
Bessent team needs to figure out how to mend the damage on the UST market. I do expect capital outflow will continue pushing yield and gold up (I could be wrong). It will be a challenging job
Without Chinese import and 10% on all import, inflation will return. Fed will be reluctant on rating cutting. Trump already tried to ask SCOTUS to allow the firing of agency head, so Powell could be gone and replaced by someone who will lower rate. By then gold will be really moving
Another problem is people will be upset when price is up and selection is down when they go shopping. Mid term election is coming, Republicans are eager to get this fixed. Eventually, Trump will need to make a move to get China to talk (China will not initiate the talk)
As far as I can see, China is walking away from US. Trump may want to get China imports for the time being and eventually dump them. China is unlikely to go for this. The question is if US consumers are willing to suffer and keep supporting Trump on this change? I have my doubt.
https://x.com/DavidLe76335983/status/1910072242500673933

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 9 2025 20:57 utc | 149

CullenBaker @ 142
Thats a good explanation regarding soya beans.
Of course two can play that game.
Mexico over took america as Chinas largest trading partner not long ago.
Proveing they think and plan way way ahead of america.
Just as an example. That probably scared trumps hoarse, contributing to trumps tariff move.
How about China trading military hard ware with Mexico ?
Wars are prone to esculate be they military war or trade war.
In the end both sides lose.
But who is the agressor here.
Same as ukraine , or israil.
Round up the usal ofenders i say.
You know who that is dont you, dont you.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 9 2025 20:59 utc | 150

@Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2025 20:33 utc | 137
Thanks for that, showing how the actual economy works rather than the frictionless bullshit in mainstream economic texts. Trump is a property developer and self-marketer, and his cabinet is made up of finance types, lawyers and mainstream economists. Utterly clueless. Xi is a chemical engineering graduate and spent much time overseeing the manufacturing-powerhouse Guangdong province, most of the Chinese leadership have the same kind of background. After many decades of preparation they know that they can win a trade war with the US, and the outcome will be a relative weakening of the US. Trump and his administration are arrogant amateurs.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Apr 9 2025 21:00 utc | 151

How many copy/paste comments you can find in this thread and this blog’s comments, but different user names: smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2025/04/nima-and-me.html?m=1
Louis here is Mauro Rossini there. Someone is low on cash, paid comments are low level these days.

Posted by: rk | Apr 9 2025 21:00 utc | 152

@ CullenBaker | Apr 9 2025 20:45 utc | 142
When Trump started his first trade war, America provided most of the soybeans China used and Brazil’s soybean industry was smaller than the US, now Brazil’s soybean industry is 50% larger than America and is China’s major supplier.
This windfall could have easily been America’s, tell me again how the US is “winning”.

Posted by: Sid Victor Cattoni | Apr 9 2025 21:01 utc | 153

Posted by: Sid Victor Cattoni | Apr 9 2025 21:01 utc | 153
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Peace is war.
Slavery is freedom.
Losing is winning.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 21:03 utc | 154

Thats a good explanation regarding soya beans.
Of course two can play that game.
Mexico over took america as Chinas largest trading partner not long ago.
Which is why Mexico has been targeted with tariffs. They’re cheating. As it has been since 1848, Mexico will bend the knee or get the foot up it’s ass.
As the poor Mexicans say, “So far from God, so close to the Estado Unidos.”

Posted by: CullenBaker | Apr 9 2025 21:03 utc | 155

reducing UST holding in the meantime and use the proceed to buy gold and other reserve commodities.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 9 2025 20:57 utc | 149

China will use their US Dollar reserves to meet the obligations of Global South partners in triangular trade. Unburdening their partners from onerous USD debts.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2025 21:04 utc | 156

CullenBaker @ 155
Isnt that called hypocracy ?
Heaven forbid another country should actualy cheat. 😨
The yanks have got the monoply rights on cheating ? Since when. Twin towers ?
The moon landing ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 9 2025 21:10 utc | 157

Tom_Q_Collins @100
The simplistic Homer Simpson view of China from the US is stupefying
Don’t knock Homer, he knows which way the wind’s blowing:
“Oh, big deal. By the time Bart’s eighteen, we’re gonna control the world… we’re China, right?” (S18E05, 2006!)

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Apr 9 2025 21:12 utc | 158

CullenBaker
I’ll get on the phone to Brazel and tell them cheatings not allowed.
By your exceptionalist stand point.
Jeez you f ing yanks. So up your own arse.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 9 2025 21:15 utc | 159

Pride comes before a fall.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 9 2025 21:17 utc | 160

@unimperator | Apr 9 2025 20:57 utc | 149

If China wants to escalate, it could go after US service sector (which has huge trade surplus with China).

Good points. China’s related ministries just issued warnings to Chinese about studying in OH and touring in amerikkka. This seems just a start. As noted earlier for decoupling, amerikkka said more than done but China just does it. Though China could start earlier and done faster if there were fewer compradors within.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Apr 9 2025 21:18 utc | 161

A note to say that import and export (international trade) very much is the real economy thus finance has little choice but to correctly respond to changes in international trade.
Cart put behind horse 😉
They didn’t already lose trillions because they wanted to, they had no choice. Also; those trillions were only the parts that could be adjusted the fastest and the corrections from both the initial announcement as well as the ongoing prevarications that introduce additional insecurity are both ongoing and cascading and will last at an extreme (unlikely) minimum at least one fiscal year (we just started a new one).
Perfect timing from Trump 😀

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 9 2025 21:19 utc | 162

🇺🇸🇨🇳 U.S. President Donald Trump signed an executive order on Wednesday to revitalize American shipbuilding and curb China’s dominance in the global shipping industry.
Fun fact: China’s shipbuilding capacity is reported to be 232 times larger than that of the United States, according to a widely cited figure from a leaked U.S. Navy briefing slide prepared by the Office of Naval Intelligence. This estimate is based on a comparison of manufacturing capacity, with Chinese shipyards capable of producing approximately 23.25 million tons, while U.S. shipyards have a capacity of less than 100,000 tons.

In my experience, many Americans confuse decrees with divine commands.
Trump said X. X happened instantly.
WWF center-of-the-ring theatrics for infantile people.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 21:19 utc | 163

“Vice-President Vance recently called China’s highly qualified work force ‘peasants’.”
To be a peasant [nongmin] is an honorable thing in China. Retailers like convicted felon Trump are far lower.

Posted by: lester | Apr 9 2025 21:25 utc | 164

Serious question.
What does the world need America for?
What do they provide that no one else can?
What can they do that no one else can master?
The monopoly on force myth is being debunked by Russia and Yemen.
It’s not even the sole nuclear power.
They don’t have the brightest people. They don’t have the best scientists. They don’t have the most beautiful women. Their religion, where it exists, is a Doomsday death cult.
Outside of entertainment and monopolies, what does America have going for it?
If you were to sell America to someone today, what would be the value proposition? How would you lead off your pitch?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 21:28 utc | 165

“Communist countries couldn’t succeed was basically the jist of his views.”
Note that PR China has not been Communist for many years. It’s just “the Party” these days, and is full of businessmen networking.

Posted by: lester | Apr 9 2025 21:29 utc | 166

CullenBaker | Apr 9 2025 20:07 utc | 118
Stop pretending to use economic arguments. All you are saying is that Americans consume more than everyone else therefore the rest of the world should give them stuff for nothing…forever! Aren’t you Americans so special!
In the good tradition of neo-colonialism America can still bribe political elites in foreign countries to do their bidding. So you’ll get many caving to the tariff pressure. But that won’t win the day for the USA.
The simple fact is that America produces nothing but expects everything in return. No matter how many Vichy governments you have in the world, that’s still not sustainable.
China can consume what it manufactures and its surplus will still be available to the rest of the world. America cannot consume finance(which is all it produces). It can only bribe others. How much longer can that last when you’ve got an imperial President who changes the rules each week?
This tariff chaos is another example of the breakdown of law and order in the USA. I’m not seeing investors being given a single reason to reinvest in America.
Keep pretending it’s 1990 and it’s America uber Alles. This is just another stake in the vampire’s heart.

Posted by: EoinW | Apr 9 2025 21:30 utc | 167

– What A LOT OF people fail to understand the automatic linkage between the US Trade Deficit and foreign demand for US Treasuries. A reduction of the Trade Deficit from say $ 500 billion to say $ 200 billion will also reduce the foreign demand for US Treasuries from $ 500 billion to $ 200 billion.
I haven’t got a clue how large the US Trade Deficit is right now that large but this gives you an indication how automatic foreign demand for US Treasuries is related to the US Trade Deficit. The Trade Deficit will shirnk as a result of these Import Tariffs and therefore the demand for US Treasuries.

Posted by: WMG | Apr 9 2025 21:31 utc | 168

Read it in a Darth Vader voice.

DO NOT RETALIATE AND YOU WILL BE REWARDED

From the White House Twitter account.
https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1910058352278708638
I knew reality was crazy, but I didn’t know it was this crazy until 2024 with a genocide and a senile President.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 21:35 utc | 169

There’re some excellent Howlers on the first page of comments, the best being Trump’s screed. US West Coast ports are soon going to become very quiet places. Another US economic sector that will get hammered that’s gone unmentioned is tourism. Every general has a plan until the opposition hits back and breaks the plan. That’s precisely what we’re watching. I recall what was predicted in the Guancha article I linked to yesterday that advocated the Tyson strategy of the body blow to the kidney followed by the right uppercut. Of course, if Congress was still in control of all taxation, none of this would be happening. Oh, and the 90-day waiver equals a whole business quarter. As for the markets, the next two days will tell the tale as analysts continue to lack sleep and pull out their hair.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 9 2025 21:39 utc | 170

You’ll be rich since it is a sure thing, right?
Posted by: CullenBaker | Apr 9 2025 20:56 utc | 148

Everytime you and your fellow travellers post I hear a little boy afraid for his 401k and looking for a strong man to save him.
You are the true believer here and are probably single handedly responsible for 50 percent of the words in the thread, most of which are boisterous assertions with little evidence. You sound like the Ukraine trolls only slightly more delusional.
Let’s just wait and see, as you suggest. The US nostradamuses..to quote Milites..were just as sure about Russia and the sanctions from hell. I’m sure the same goofball types with the same ignorant backgrounds are going to produce much better strategy.
I mean isn’t America known for its long term strategy? Ha. A young nation indeed – that pissed the worldest richest empire away in record time due to greed and hubris. Congratulations and pass the popcorn.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 9 2025 21:42 utc | 171

By this metric Trump has paused the rollout of reciprocal tariffs by three windows.
Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2025 19:58 utc | 109
A couple of pundits are suggesting that Trump may have shit his pants when advised that China and Japan were dumping U.S. Treasuries, suggesting it could have cast doubt further on US Tresuries as a haven asset.

Reciprocal levies on almost 100 countries, including 104% tariffs on Chinese goods, went live at midnight. Long-term Treasury yields, which rise when bond prices fall, spiked shortly after—the 30-year yield hit 5% at one point before falling back to around 4.8%. It’s still on track for its largest three-day gain since 1982, according to Dow Jones Market Data.
That historic move is concerning for global markets and casts further doubt over U.S. Treasuries’’ status as a haven asset. It’s also reminiscent of the sharp bond selling during the Covid-19 pandemic in March 2020, when investors sold stocks and bond in a ‘dash for cash’ amid heightened market stress.
Yields typically fall in times of turmoil so the rise is notable—it also undermines the Trump administration’s effort to lower borrowing costs.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/trump-tariffs-treasuries-china-stock-market-things-to-know-today-aae98368

Posted by: Menz | Apr 9 2025 21:45 utc | 172

Armand Domalewski
@ArmandDoma
the Chinese Communist Party posting Reagan speeches about the importance of free trade…what a time to be alive
Quote
Apr 7
Ronald Reagan vs. #tariffs : 1987 speech finds new relevance in 2025
https://x.com/ArmandDoma/status/1909281769838592393

Posted by: Menz | Apr 9 2025 21:53 utc | 173

Now Trump says that he is going to charge “major” tariffs on pharmaceuticals too, which right now are exempted from the tariffs! This will be a disaster for the US healthcare industry given how much it relies on foreign pharmaceuticals. India is a very big provider of generic drugs.
China will immediately reciprocate and its huge pharmaceutical sector rapidly work out how to get rid of all of the US$11.3 billion of US pharmaceuticals and medicines that China imports. That will more than make up for the US$7.84 billion of pharmaceuticals and medicines exported to the US.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Apr 9 2025 21:53 utc | 174

Posted by: louis | Apr 9 2025 18:48 utc | 58
You must be another fanatical disciple of Gordon “been predicting the imminent collapse of the chinese economy for 25 years” Chang.
When in reality the polar opposite has happened.

Posted by: RC213V | Apr 9 2025 21:56 utc | 175

Great comments by Arch, TQC, Roger and others.
As a common lay person growing up in Asia in the late 70s, I was surprised at how backwards the US was.
Americans in the movies walked around with boomboxes when Asians were using Walkman.
I am old enough to have seen how VHS was manipulated to bypass the superior beta max.
US made TVs were garbage, same with those gas guzzling 4 and 2 wheels contraptions. Drag racing is an American thing only because those death traps can’t corner. Indy 500 is the closest thing to a corner.
The average Asian have greater spending power compared to Americans.
Red Book app opened up a storm in the US when people found out how much groceries, rent, power or medical care costed.
The tariff war on China doesn’t hurt its average consumer.
The hurts the already downtrodden average American already struggling with several maxed our credit cards working 2.5 jobs just to pay the rent.
Winning much, Cullen? America, fuck yeah??

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 9 2025 21:58 utc | 176

Roger Boyd | Apr 9 2025 20:45 utc | 141–
Yes Roger, it’s quite entertaining, but the same joke and jokers and rapidly becoming old and tiresome. I wrote about something non-tariff today, “Normalization of Relations Faltering & Lavrov Answers a Teenager’s Probing Question”. Much of what transpired today was predictable and was predicted, except for Trump’s surrender and the ensuing idiotic market rally. I still anticipate legal action, and I’m 100% certain Walmart and Amazon purchasing agents are going crazy. Tomorrow’s Hudson/Wolff chat will be one not to miss.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 9 2025 21:58 utc | 177

Right wing policy. Move fast and break everything. Business needs predictability, so criminals create unpredictability in order create chaos.
The idea that politicians are serving the interests of the public is deeply shocking to all civilisations in history. Trump is no different.
Why would anybody be so naive as to think that Trump is trying to address US ecomomic problems , just because he says so? All Trump thinks is that if he adds tariffs to Chinese products, either
China will cut its prices or the Democrat Party Traders in cheap Chinese goods.
Vindictiveness is Trump’s MO. Psychopaths love being bad. End of story.

Posted by: Giyane | Apr 9 2025 22:00 utc | 178

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Apr 9 2025 21:53 utc | 174
######
Roger, give this a watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8zX0i9JoqE
It’s an American ex-pat businessman who explains Chinese industry and business as it pertains to America.
Today’s episode is about Pharma. It is excellent.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 22:00 utc | 179

See my (87) comment – the USA wants that trade deeply reduced.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 9 2025 19:50 utc | 99

Not the yankeeland, the clown wants. Maybe. He also wants to go on looting the rest of the world, to save the US$. He is behaving like a gangster.
And I see that the trumptards are rallying in…

Posted by: Naive | Apr 9 2025 22:04 utc | 180

Sorry, my take on countries “bending the knees”.
These countries are reliant in exporting to the US, their consumers either can’t afford or want American made stuff.
Their Nike, Levi’s, apple & Harleys are all made in their own country.

Posted by: Suresh | Apr 9 2025 22:08 utc | 181

FoxNews, with VP Vance blabbing —
“I think it’s useful for all of us to step back and ask us, ask ourselves, what is the globalist economy gotten the United States of America? And the answer is fundamentally, it’s based on two principles — incurring a huge amount of debt to buy things that other countries make for us, and to make it a little bit more crystal clear, we borrow money from Chinese peasants to buy the things those Chinese peasants manufacture,” Vance said.. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 9 2025 22:09 utc | 182

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 9 2025 20:57 utc | 149
Top Notch.
I have heard TIPS might also be a good inflation hedge under tariffs and are priced well, but the liquidity issue makes me nervous

Posted by: Deniz | Apr 9 2025 22:11 utc | 183

Trump is bluffing. Only morons will fall for it.
Maybe he wants to accelerate the downfall of the yankeeland. 🙂

Posted by: Naive | Apr 9 2025 22:12 utc | 184

The whole “peasants” narrative only works because Americans don’t use the internet, and those who do have no idea about anything regarding the East.
Believe dumb stuff, win dumb prizes.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 22:13 utc | 185

I read somewhere that China sold 50 billions of yankee treasury bonds.

Posted by: Naive | Apr 9 2025 22:14 utc | 186

I knew reality was crazy, but I didn’t know it was this crazy until 2024 with a genocide and a senile President.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 21:35 utc | 169
I caught about 2 minutes of Trump “explaining” today’s sudden alteration of the tariff regime. It was abundantly clear the man did not really know why he did it or what it was that he had just decided to do (in more exact terms than his tweet earlier – which is confusing to say the least).
He hardly seemed able to say anything save a repetitious mantra of how swell it was all going to be with a return to American greatness and how many foreigners were kissing his ample butt. The guy knows the word “tariff” and can say it in English, and he uses it a lot, but I am not convinced he has any real knowledge that he could whip out to make the case that tariffs are helpful to the US at present.
He’s for sure no idiot savant; just an idiot.
And an even meaner and more devoted genocider than Biden. Hard as that is to believe.

Posted by: teri | Apr 9 2025 22:17 utc | 187

The S&P 500 surged 9.5% today.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 9 2025 22:21 utc | 188

An on-the-street view from China.
I’m an American expat living in China for over 20+ years, and I am in international trade, design and project management. I have some REAL things to say amongst all this speculation from the “bar flies”.
[1] The mood in China is upbeat and happy. Spring is here, and in a few weeks will be the week-long May Day holidays.
[2] All of China knows about what Trump is doing, and the tariff situation. The Chinese are quite well informed.
[3] The comment about “peasants” in China was taken poorly by the hard-working, average “Joe” Chinese who are staunchly patriotic, intelligent, and well-read. It not only shows just how ignorant the Americans are, but how arrogant and stupid they are. What ever “good will” that Hollywood generated in the minds of the Chinese is all now eviscerated.
[4] I am shipping factory components to Houston, Texas later on this month. My American customer will pay the tariff as his financial backers are fully aware of the turmoil of the Trump Administration and will not stop the on-going project that is a multi-year effort.
[5] Of course, my American customer has amortized the cost of the the equipment and will transfer the costs on to HIS American customers.
[6] Factories here are still doing business. The vast majority of them sell outside of the Untied States. Most have no American customers at all. And so all this “noise” simply does not affect them.
[7] Not one of my factories have American customers that represent the bulk of their customer base. In fact, to put it bluntly; those factories that do ship to the USA, only ship small quantities to limited customers that represents a small percentage of the whole.
All this being said, from my side, the “bigger picture” looks like this…
[A] Back in the 1980’s and 1990’s, large American companies became “International”. They closed down their domestic American operations and opened up in China.
[B] To open up in China the American companies partnered with existing Chinese firms for sub-assemblies and materials.
[C] The Chinese companies expanded their offerings to the Chinese Domestic market; as it is much larger than the USA market (five times larger). While the USA companies focused in supplying to the USA (with some sales to Europe).
[D] Resulting in the general situation of today. Trump Tariffs affect American companies operating in China. Not Chinese companies.
[E] And of course, the American companies have to pass on the Tariffs to their American customer base.

The main take away is this;
You do not, ever, bully a Chinese man.
It’s the slow moving, quiet person in the back of the room, that you need to be afraid about. Never the dancing clown on the stage with the spotlight.

Posted by: Rufus Arrrr | Apr 9 2025 22:21 utc | 189

Posted by: teri | Apr 9 2025 22:17 utc | 187
############
Trump is perfect for ending the Empire.
He’s arrogant, insecure, sloppy, and vicious.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 22:25 utc | 190

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 9 2025 22:09 utc | 182
People will surely remember how Obama spoke about Russia: Barack Obama said Russia was nothing more than “a regional power” whose actions in Ukraine (back then) reflected “weakness rather than strength.”
Or McCain: Russia is a ‘gas station masquerading as a country’
And today Russia is winning against nato supported ukronazis. And it is because Russia is defeating the yankeeland that the monkey wants a peace deal.
Now we have the Chinese peasants.
One of the most retarded people are the yankees (only check the relative IQ). Their ignorance is at a maximum level. China is superior to the yankeeland in everything except in the number of nuclear weapons. But China can decide to catch up very quickly.
China called the bluff of the imperialist monkey. Captivating!

Posted by: Naive | Apr 9 2025 22:26 utc | 191

China’s central reserve
The Gordon Chang’s of the world believe China will go broke subsidizing exports. If China has to subsidize anything they will be better off subsidizing internal consumption. A benefit of that is that they would be able to use their own currency.
Why should China and the rest of the world depend on consumption by the U.S with only 5% of the world’s population.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Apr 9 2025 22:27 utc | 192

Why should China and the rest of the world depend on consumption by the U.S with only 5% of the world’s population.
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Apr 9 2025 22:27 utc | 192
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Americans are exceptional and white.
Brown peasants need to know their place. 🙄

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 22:32 utc | 193

Posted by: Rufus Arrrr | Apr 9 2025 22:21 utc | 189
###############
I enjoy your commentary from someone who is in China. Everyone has an opinion; few of those opinions are qualified.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 22:33 utc | 194

Tom_Q_Collins thanks for taking the time to write your lengthy post. Most of us are aware of many of the details, but you have laid them all out in one post. Clearly, the wise people are not on Trumps “Econ advisor” team. Thanks to all for interesting comments. Curious times. The strange dislocations in long Treasuries versus stocks versus rates and the options market are puzzling. Who said “something wicked this way comes?” Ray Bradbury I think. Salud. Please note the CELAC meeting current in Honduras. Claudia of Mexico, Ximena of Honduras and Petro of Colombia especially are stepping up to defend themselves against the Trump lunacy. A good thing.

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Apr 9 2025 22:40 utc | 195

Posted by: Giyane | Apr 9 2025 22:00 utc | 178
I think you’re 100% correct on that first part. No serious trade policy – focused on balancing trade or allegedly bringing manufacturing back to the US – would involve these roller-coaster-with-reverse-gear announcements, adjustments, retractions and then re-implementation-only-slightly-different. Even the various statements given by Trump and Bessent today are wildly mutually contradictory. Trump admitted that the 90 day pause was exactly due to the “yippy” complaints from “da markets.”
Anyway, yes. This is ‘move fast and break things’ + pump and dump on steroids. It’s also a major distraction technique. After all, when you’re busy gutting the regulatory and research agencies of the federal government, cutting staff into the tens of thousands, and implementing a Zionist-adjacent gulag style state, it’s good to keep people panicked and busy worrying about their retirements. Not to mention the saber rattling with Iran (the press and military have mostly been silent on the massive transfers of B2 bombers and other military assets to the Gulf and Diego Garcia).
Looking at it like a sane person would, it’s pure insanity. But when you realize that Trump is basically doing what every right-wing President since Nixon left office has dreamed about (and Reagan and Clinton did some of it, to a lesser degree) it starts to make some sense. This isn’t about trade, manufacturing or anything of the sort. It’s a unitary executive with a major axe to grind surrounded by techno-feudalist broligarchs.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2025 22:40 utc | 196

Don Bacon | Apr 9 2025 22:09 utc | 182–
Gosh Don, yet another Howler! Where did that punk go to school? I suggest Musk defund it ASAP.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 9 2025 22:41 utc | 197

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Apr 9 2025 22:40 utc | 195
Appreciate the h/t, but just to be clear, I didn’t author that and don’t have much personal expertise in manufacturing. It was copy/paste from a Twitter post by a guy who actually manufactures stuff in the US and abroad.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2025 22:41 utc | 198

@Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 9 2025 22:00 utc | 179
I’m subscribed to his channel, one of the best commentators on Chinese economy and industry.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Apr 9 2025 22:42 utc | 199

Man, that “peasant” comment. Wow. JD Vance is a fraud; a political project of Peter Thiel, if you will. His only experience with foreign cultures is as a Marine transcriptionist cranking out Yankee war propaganda for internal consumption in Iraq and/or Afghanistan. What a scumbag. All other reasons that the Empire is in steep decline aside, that comment does not portend well. At all.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2025 22:47 utc | 200