Was This 'Leak' Accidental Or Is It Pro-War Psyops?
There are several curious aspects of this 'leak' of internal communication of high ranking members of the Trump administration:
Top national security officials for President Donald Trump, including his defense secretary, texted war plans for upcoming military strikes in Yemen to a group chat in a secure messaging app that included the editor-in-chief for The Atlantic, the magazine reported in a story posted online Monday. The National Security Council said the text chain “appears to be authentic.”
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The material in the text chain “contained operational details of forthcoming strikes on Iran-backed Houthi-rebels in Yemen, including information about targets, weapons the U.S. would be deploying, and attack sequencing,” editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg reported.
The Atlantic is the worst magazine in America. Its editor in chief, ..
.. Jeffrey Goldberg, dropped out of an Ivy League University to volunteer to be an IDF prison guard during the first Palestinian Intifada. In his memoirs, Goldberg revealed that he helped cover up serious prisoner abuse.
Goldberg is a neo-conservative who has yet to see a U.S. instigated war he dislikes. To trust his reporting is dangerous.
Here is how he tells the story:
On Tuesday, March 11, I received a connection request on Signal from a user identified as Michael Waltz. Signal is an open-source encrypted messaging service popular with journalists and others who seek more privacy than other text-messaging services are capable of delivering. I assumed that the Michael Waltz in question was President Donald Trump’s national security adviser.
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I accepted the connection request, hoping that this was the actual national security adviser, and that he wanted to chat about Ukraine, or Iran, or some other important matter.Two days later—Thursday—at 4:28 p.m., I received a notice that I was to be included in a Signal chat group. It was called the “Houthi PC small group.”
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At 8:05 a.m. on Friday, March 14, “Michael Waltz” texted the group: “Team, you should have a statement of conclusions with taskings per the Presidents guidance this morning in your high side inboxes.” (High side, in government parlance, refers to classified computer and communications systems.)
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At this point, a fascinating policy discussion commenced. The account labeled “JD Vance” responded at 8:16: “Team, I am out for the day doing an economic event in Michigan. But I think we are making a mistake.” (Vance was indeed in Michigan that day.) The Vance account goes on to state, “3 percent of US trade runs through the suez. 40 percent of European trade does. There is a real risk that the public doesn’t understand this or why it’s necessary. The strongest reason to do this is, as POTUS said, to send a message.”
During the discussion CIA head John Ratcliff, Secretary of Defense Hegseth and the deputy White House chief of staff Stephen Miller join in. Despite the reluctance of Vance the bombing campaign in Yemen is ready to go:
At 11:44 a.m., the account labeled “Pete Hegseth” posted in Signal a “TEAM UPDATE.” I will not quote from this update, or from certain other subsequent texts. The information contained in them, if they had been read by an adversary of the United States, could conceivably have been used to harm American military and intelligence personnel, particularly in the broader Middle East, Central Command’s area of responsibility. What I will say, in order to illustrate the shocking recklessness of this Signal conversation, is that the Hegseth post contained operational details of forthcoming strikes on Yemen, including information about targets, weapons the U.S. would be deploying, and attack sequencing.
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According to the lengthy Hegseth text, the first detonations in Yemen would be felt two hours hence, at 1:45 p.m. eastern time. So I waited in my car in a supermarket parking lot. If this Signal chat was real, I reasoned, Houthi targets would soon be bombed. At about 1:55, I checked X and searched Yemen. Explosions were then being heard across Sanaa, the capital city.
I went back to the Signal channel. At 1:48, “Michael Waltz” had provided the group an update. Again, I won’t quote from this text, except to note that he described the operation as an “amazing job.” A few minutes later, “John Ratcliffe” wrote, “A good start.” Not long after, Waltz responded with three emoji: a fist, an American flag, and fire. Others soon joined in, including “MAR,” who wrote, “Good Job Pete and your team!!,” and “Susie Wiles,” who texted, “Kudos to all – most particularly those in theater and CENTCOM! Really great. God bless.” “Steve Witkoff” responded with five emoji: two hands-praying, a flexed bicep, and two American flags. “TG” responded, “Great work and effects!” The after-action discussion included assessments of damage done, including the likely death of a specific individual. The Houthi-run Yemeni health ministry reported that at least 53 people were killed in the strikes, a number that has not been independently verified.
The juvenile behavior of the participants all but confirms that the characters are genuine.
It however leaves many questions:
Why did Michael Waltz, a former advisor to Dick Cheney, seek to add war-pimp and anti-Trumper Jeffrey Goldberg to his contact list? What did he plan to leak to him?
Signal is an encrypted chat application which, until recently, was financed by the U.S. government. That is in itself a good reason to not trust it. There have also been reports that several foreign entities are trying to crack it. Why would high administration officials, who have access to more secure communication systems, use Signal to chat with each other?
Why are Vance and others implying that 'freedom of navigation' in the Red Sea is for the good of Europe and that it should pay for it? That framing does not fit.
The reason for the Houthi blockade of the Red Sea is the Zionist genocide in Gaza. Israel is the country most hurt by the stop of sea traffic to its harbors. The closure of the Red Sea has increased ocean transport cost for a container from $2,000 to $8,000 for everyone, including the U.S., because the transport around Africa takes longer and has led to a shortage of container ships.
This lambasting of Europe to press it for money is part of Trump's general program. To 'leak' this as part of a chat, which hardly mentions Israel or Gaza, is reinforcing that message. This is the main reason why I find this 'leak' suspicious.
The use of Signal and the sending of confidential war plans over it of course a breach of several laws and regulations.
There are rumors that national security advisor Waltz will be punished for this. But I do not expect any firing or other consequences from it.
Posted by b on March 25, 2025 at 13:54 UTC | Permalink
next page »As I mentioned earlier, first things first.
Major trump team screw-up? They did it an they added
Minor trump team screw-up? They did it but not add (hacked)
Somebody trolled Goldberg
Pure psyop/desinformation
So far pentagon and waltz denied
Not saying they couldn’t be stupid enough for this, but darker hypothesis remain
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 25 2025 14:12 utc | 2
The Titanic.
There is an internal infight for power among these amateurs.
And Mr Marco Antonio Rubio (MAR) together with Mr. James David Vance (JDV) are siding together to throw Waltz under the bus.
But (JDV) caught red handed made it clear to all to read, when he wrote:
I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It's PATHETIC
Posted by: pepe | Mar 25 2025 14:14 utc | 3
"The "lads" in his Cabinet will have to become grownups quickly, including future Hillbilly President Vance."
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2025 14:11 utc | 1
That Hillbilly graduated-who re 'summa cum laude' from Yale Law School on a scholarship and edited the Yale review; you didn't graduate 'summa cum laude' at Yale nor did you attend an Ivy leagues school.
Seems to me you fit the 'Hillbilly' moniker idea rather than Vance.
I would look at who could manipulate signal this way. Smells like an op to discredit trump officials.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 25 2025 14:32 utc | 5
Goldman's inclusion just shows that it is the Israeli government which is running the show.
Posted by: Merkin.Scot | Mar 25 2025 14:35 utc | 6
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2025 14:11 utc | 1
... future Hillbilly President Vance."
Posted by: canuck | Mar 25 2025 14:24 utc | 4
Seems to me you fit the 'Hillbilly' moniker idea rather than Vance.
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Geez. Here you guys are slagging each other from the get-go on a brand new thread.
Can you please take your personal vendetta out in an alley somewhere and stop fighting over literally one word?
Give it a rest.
Posted by: john brewster | Mar 25 2025 14:35 utc | 7
Seems to me you fit the 'Hillbilly' moniker idea rather than Vance.
Posted by: canuck | Mar 25 2025 14:24 utc | 4
My understanding is that it's Vance who tries to portray himself as just "a good'ol country boy" that made good
Posted by: Mary | Mar 25 2025 14:36 utc | 8
Posted by: canuck | Mar 25 2025 14:24 utc | 4
Come on canuck. You're gatekeeping with PMC titles and certifications? Yale is a place to build a Rolodex He didn't exactly double major in physics and philosophy.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 25 2025 14:36 utc | 9
That Hillbilly graduated-who re 'summa cum laude' from Yale Law School on a scholarship and edited the Yale review; you didn't graduate 'summa cum laude' at Yale nor did you attend an Ivy leagues school.
Seems to me you fit the 'Hillbilly' moniker idea rather than Vance.
Posted by: canuck | Mar 25 2025 14:24 utc | 4
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I'm also not a Zionist Manchurian candidate who participates in genocide.
Your heroes speak volumes about who you are. Grow up and please stop crying like a baby online.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2025 14:37 utc | 10
the level of this admin = signaling with emojis...
there you have it... a bunch of low rate nut jobs running the usa... what a load of bullshit they are...
Posted by: james | Mar 25 2025 14:38 utc | 11
"I would look at who could manipulate signal this way. Smells like an op to discredit trump officials.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 25 2025 14:32 utc | 5"
Manipulated how? Nobody has denied the chat took place or that Goldberg was "accidentally" invited.
Only Hegseth has denied texting detailed operation plans.
Posted by: Mary | Mar 25 2025 14:40 utc | 12
Canada's national broadcaster CBC, loves The Atlantic's politics and frequently hosts one of Goldberg's associates, David Frum, to hold forth on US affairs.
Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 25 2025 14:44 utc | 13
Of course George "W" Bush went to Yale and then got an MBA from Hahvahd. Look how well that turned out. "Is our children learning?" Judging a person by their Ivy League quotient is about as useful as judging them by the auto they drive...could be mortgaged. I wonder how much Peter Thiel had to pay for JDV 's degrees.
Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Mar 25 2025 14:47 utc | 14
Posted by: canuck | Mar 25 2025 14:24 utc | 4
Yes yes yes. Now are we sure Mr some come loud achieved such esteemed (obviously in your case) hights did so on their own merit?
A round on canuck for being unlike a canuck
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Mar 25 2025 14:49 utc | 15
To give this story the slightest credence two elements are necessary.
1. Every party in the chat group is incredibly stupid. As is their staff.
Sadly this is possible.
2. For once in his life Goldberg is honest.
Not believing it for a second.
Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 25 2025 14:57 utc | 16
Is that true or did you read it in "The Atlantic"?
Posted by: WeaselBrain | Mar 25 2025 14:59 utc | 17
there you have it... a bunch of low rate nut jobs running the usa... what a load of bullshit they are...
Posted by: james | Mar 25 2025 14:38 utc | 11
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This Helmer article is upsetting. It's like the US is being run by the mob. It's just so...out there :) On the other hand, China's BRI has been criticized for predatory lending practices. How often do they take over ownership of state projects in other countries, I wonder.
"President Donald Trump has been emitting tweets to announce his money shot on the battlefield of the Ukraine, in the genocide in Gaza, and in his wars against the Houthis, Iran, and China. To implement his desire, he recently sent Christopher Landau, his nominee to become Deputy Secretary of State — the brains behind Secretary Marco Rubio — to announce to the US Senate a policy of “commercial statecraft.”
By that, Landau — a Harvard-educated lawyer and Ambassador to Mexico during Trump’s first term – meant that “there is no force in the world that is as powerful as the American private sector”; and that it will be the Trump Administration’s objective to “unleash our private sector”, “out-hustle foreign competitors”, and fight China because they “are out-hustling us”.
One of the first tactics in this American hustle strategy has been Trump’s executive order restoring the lawfulness of US corporate bribery for “gaining strategic business advantages whether in critical minerals, deep-water ports, or other key infrastructure or assets.”
This hustle strategy and the tactics of the money shot are behind Trump’s announcement that as part of his end-of-war terms under negotiation with Russia at the moment, he aims to take US control of rare earth mining in the Ukraine, and also of the Ukraine’s nuclear power generating assets. A shot at taking over the port of Odessa can be expected to follow.
Like old-fashioned make-war profiteering, this is end-of-war profiteering by corporatizing the terms of ceasefire, armistice, capitulation, security guarantees, and reparations. Two of Trump’s hustling associates, Steven Witkoff, the president’s special negotiator for Russia and the Middle East, and Howard Lutnick, the new US Secretary of Commerce, are his brokers in this plan."
https://johnhelmer.org/trumps-money-shot-gunners-shot-fires-back/
h/t @Suresh
Posted by: freedom fritos | Mar 25 2025 14:59 utc | 18
"Mr some come loud..."
Tannenhouser
Your ignorance is showing.
Read the book 'Hillbilly Elegy' but it that is too hard for you watch the movie.
Causal racism against poor white trash is the only racism allowed in the US at this point. But it has been going on for centuries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_Gq2qDwFpA
Posted by: wagelaborer | Mar 25 2025 15:02 utc | 20
I don’t like his politics but JD Vance is no dummy. He approaches economics from a financier’s perspective rather than a capitalist/capital intensive production approach, no one in Washington or the EU does. JD is erudite and is among the better faces for the Trump team. I think his legal perspective better explains JD Vance, he’s a mercenary like most lawyers
Posted by: Scottindallas | Mar 25 2025 15:05 utc | 21
Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Mar 25 2025 14:47 utc | 14
Ha, ha- George W Bush got in Yale because his father George and his grandfather Prescott, a Nazi sympathizer, were alums -Bush never achieved 'summa cum laude' while Vance got in because he was bright and received a scholarship.
Try again; your Vance Derangement Syndrome is overpowering your reason.
Thanks for the report, b. It might explain this. Okay, I learned this while scrolling through YouTube (latest news) not from the …Guersney Press, but Google offered up GP who covered the story:
“King meets with UK and France top military brass at Windsor”
https://guernseypress.com/news/uk-news/2025/03/24/king-meets-with-uk-and-french-military-top-brass-at-windsor/
“Charles, head of the armed forces, held an audience with the Joint Chiefs of Staff from both countries in the castle’s White Drawing Room on Monday.” Supposedly this is about Russia, but one wonders (at least I wonder)
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Mar 25 2025 15:07 utc | 23
Well, it seems obvious to me why Goldberg editor of The Atlantic is a contact of high administration officials, such friendships are part of how the government manipulates a legally free press.
Nor does it seem at all implausible that the highest officials will dutifully chant talking points from their master, rather than sharing their innermost commitments to Israel. So, JD Vance and Hegseth slagging Europe doesn't seem a bit suspicious.
I don't see anything unusual here except that Goldberg leaked. That's partly a good story for him personally---I mean, how often does a toady editor get any credit?---and he maybe doesn't personally like somebody (he thinks will be) hurt by the story? No particular need to explain this away as psyops, except the general need to portray the Trumpers as the Counter-revolution's Lenins, each and everyone paragons of skill, determination and ruthlessness. The God Trump picking a bunch of incompetent stooges as agents is hard to accept and it doesn't fit comfortably with the 11-dimensional chess stable genius image either.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Mar 25 2025 15:07 utc | 24
Canuck wins the biggest moron EVER to sit at this bar reward. By a country mile - Nobody else even comes a close second he is that dumb.
Regarding the leaked conversation .....
Jon Stewart nails right wing hypocrisy for once regarding the leaked conversation.
Here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sNMdRzK9Nj0
Charles Freeman and Judge Napolitano nails right wing hypocrisy for once regarding the leaked conversation.
Here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qZHDRsmyh_8
Both are absolutely brilliant !!!!
So it looks like Trumpian Phoneyfart can unite the libtards and the right after all. Bring them together in pure hatred against him.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 25 2025 15:08 utc | 25
Dieser Hillbilly hat mit einem Stipendium sein Jurastudium in Yale mit „summa cum laude“ abgeschlossen und die Yale Review herausgegeben; Sie haben weder in Yale mit „summa cum laude“ abgeschlossen, noch haben Sie eine Universität der Ivy League besucht.
Mir scheint, dass die Idee des Spitznamens „Hillbilly“ eher auf Sie als auf Vance zutrifft.
Veröffentlicht von: canuck | 25. März 2025 14:24 UTC | 4
And it's working again.
Trump's vice president is supposed to be discredited, and it's working, as you can see.
Europe hasn't forgiven him for his speech yet, and Europe also has specialists, not just NASA.
But NOT one of you here considered the possibility that the goal here is to denigrate Vance.
And it doesn't matter who... Europe, and especially Germany, has every reason to do so, but the NEO elites won't be his friends either...
AND...don't forget, Trump's term in office is over, whether regular or per diem??
If he were the man who made life difficult for some, removing him wouldn't do much, since the rest of Trump's circle are more like followers.
Posted by: berthold | Mar 25 2025 15:08 utc | 26
Posted by: john brewster | Mar 25 2025 14:35 utc | 7
Who died and made you God?
If you don't like my posts, don't read them-problem solved-or, if you want to keep meddling. you can go Fuck Yourself.
Forgot to add to @24 that leaking is a huge custom with many venues and practitioners. Hegseth and Vance leaking this to discredit Waltz could have been accomplished in the usual ways. Over drinks?
Posted by: steven t johnson | Mar 25 2025 15:10 utc | 28
Only Hegseth has denied texting detailed operation plans.
Posted by: Mary | Mar 25 2025 14:40 utc | 12
Saying "they should be hit in about 2 hours" in an unsafe channel would be OPSEC risk.
If the chat is real it's already bad and that denial is a lie (and the only doubt is the size of the fuck up for the trump team)
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To give this story the slightest credence two elements are necessary.
2. For once in his life Goldberg is honest.
Not believing it for a second.
Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 25 2025 14:57 utc | 16
Was he lying of his own accord? Was he duped? Was he into someone's operation to compromise that group?
One thing is real, the uk is spinning this since yesterday for all it's worth...
Also the de-funded like politico, so...
That should say something.
Maybe a way to reduce credibility to trump admin as it's reaching an ukraine accord against eu and ukraine?
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 25 2025 15:12 utc | 29
If Mike Waltz is being targeted, is this in any way related to it?
https://x.com/RT_com/status/1904335955814719846
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 25 2025 15:13 utc | 30
Clearly, a deliberate leak, the question is, why? Also obviously, it has nothing to do with Al Ansar, so the target has to be someone in the Trump posse but who? The leak is meant to discredit. A power play? It obviously has nothing to do with policy, the US bombs at will regardless, so some kind of US 'night of the long lives'?
Posted by: Barofsky | Mar 25 2025 15:14 utc | 31
I just found out last week that Gal Gadot (Wonder Woman) served in the IDF and probably killed people in Lebanon as Gal Greenstein.
America is ZOG.
@Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2025 14:11 utc | 1
You just triggered a memory...grrrr
The 50th anniversary of the treacherous attempted sinking of the USS Liberty
and the attempted murder of all of those onboard her was June 8, 2017.
"Israel" and LBJ had attempted to bring the US into the 6 Day War
by the use of a false-flag. Three years before that LBJ had experienced
a successful false-flag with the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Why not try again?
The treacherous dog.
The 50th anniversary, surely there would be major news items to mark the date!
There wasn't. I remember searching and searching and it was a struggle to find
much of anything in the news rags.
But there WAS a big event. You don't remember but I do. The woke movie
Wonder Woman was premiered in Los Angeles on Thursday, May 25, 2017.
It was treated as a huge social event. There was a big push to maximize publicity.
TV interviews, articles, analysis ...
It shoved everything else aside.
And the star of the movie was/is a member of the IDF!
The irony just slayed me.
Posted by: Otto Penn | Mar 25 2025 15:14 utc | 32
I don’t like his politics but JD Vance is no dummy. He approaches economics from a financier’s perspective rather than a capitalist/capital intensive production approach, no one in Washington or the EU does. JD is erudite and is among the better faces for the Trump team. I think his legal perspective better explains JD Vance, he’s a mercenary like most lawyers
Posted by: Scottindallas | Mar 25 2025 15:05 utc | 21
And
He's considered Trump's successor!
Also, as a replacement, should something happen to Trump...
Intelligent approach to the matter, respected by his supporters
= very dangerous for some people and possibly plans that would make him Trump's successor (representative).
I mean, an assassination attempt on Trump wouldn't achieve much...on the contrary, it would be very dangerous for some.
So
he's being discreet, and it won't be the last attempt.
Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 25 2025 15:16 utc | 33
Vance's opposition is interesting. He claims it's based on making Europe pay, but could that be a polite way to say he's not blindly Zionist, like the rest of the gang? He certainly supports Israel, but perhaps more pragmatically than the rest of the gang. It also suggests that he understands on some level just how critical the false, anti war image of Trump is at the moment, domestically.
Beyond that it's just another confirmation that the US government down to the lowest local officials is irretrievably Zionist.
For those of you who shudder at the idea of a social revolution, how else can we rid the west of the plague of Zionism? Unless wage slaves organize to completely oust the billionaires and the economic system that spawns them, you'll continue to be ruled by Zionists that ultimately consider you a second class human being.
For those of you who just can't stand Trotsky. Read what he wrote about Zionism. Spoiler alert: he was absolutely right.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 25 2025 15:18 utc | 34
@ freedom fritos | Mar 25 2025 14:59 utc | 18
trump is serving the oligarchs and doesn't give a rats ass about the little guy.. ironically the little guy likes him because of his big mouth... ''walk loudly and carry a big mouth''.. that is trump... on the other hand, i admire his attempt at a ceasefire.. so he is not a simple read..
@ canuck | Mar 25 2025 15:02 utc | 19
i've read the book.. reminds me of an ayn rand type book, full of ''you can do it'' ideology, which is what makes america great right?? the verdict is still out on vance as i see it.. is he interested in his billionaire tech friends more then the little guy on the street now that he has 'arrived'? it looks like more of the former then the later.. i agree with others here - driving a car analogy.. he was pushed to the front by peter theil and friends.. that is how it works.. this rags to riches fantasy bullshit needs to end..
Posted by: james | Mar 25 2025 15:19 utc | 35
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2025 14:37 utc | 10
So you didn't go to Yale; didn't get 'cum summa laude' in any institution yet Vance is the Hillbilly and you are ,'sophistication personified'.
Hmmmmnnnn.
Obviously, with your non stop posting you got nothing going on so you attempt to pump yourself up with posters who don't know who you really are because if they did they would be unimpressed.
Pathetic, but understandable if you have had such a shitty life one unconsciously practice 'ressentiment'(1)
1. "As Elgat interprets it, Nietzschean ressentiment is an "instinctive reaction" to suffering (of a certain sort). More compendiously, it is "an affectively charged desire for revenge that involves the belief that someone or other is responsible for the suffering that causes it . . . " (emphasis in original). To read this is to be reminded of Aristotle's definition of anger as "a desire, accompanied by pain, for conspicuous revenge for some conspicuous belittlement of oneself or one's friends and family, the belittlement not having been deserved" (Rhetoric 1378a 31-33), and this should give us pause. Anger is the signature emotion of the Homeric hero -- an emotion of strength (one might have thought) that typically expresses itself in plain, honest outbursts. But Nietzschean ressentiment is surely an emotion of weakness that typically (though not perhaps necessarily) expresses itself obliquely and deviously, that usually doesn't vent itself at once, but simmers and stews and festers."
What If
What if JD Vance had been expected to say something
"antisemitic"?
That is, something not 110% onboard with the Genocide Policy.
Now THAT would be the headline today.
Posted by: Otto Penn | Mar 25 2025 15:24 utc | 37
Posted by: berthold | Mar 25 2025 15:08 utc | 26
So you are now at the stage that no matter how fucking stupid and careless it was and so idiotic beyond belief.
" It was all just a conspiracy theory to get rid of Trump. "
Unfreakingbelievable !!!!
Now pour yourself a cup of tea or visit a doctor and watch Charles Freeman and Judge Napolitano explain in detail how Jeffrey Goldberg only released a tenth of the conversation.
Why did Jeffrey Goldberg only release a tenth of the conversation berthold ?
As explained if Goldberg had released all of it. It would have caused EVEN MORE damage to these clowns in the Whitehouse.
The simple truth is quite simply these people in the Whitehouse are a bunch of complete morons.
As Charles Freeman and Judge Napolitano and Jon Stewart point out an airmen in 2016 during Trumps first term got 20 years in Jail for much, much, much, much less.
Hegseth and Waltz will Walk free for doing much much much worse. Now the department of justice is under fascist control.
So ask your head this .... Before you visit a doctor.
If Goldberg held back 90% of the conversation to save further embarrassment for these morons in the Whitehouse. How is he trying to bring down Trump ?
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 25 2025 15:26 utc | 38
Charles Freeman and Judge Napolitano nails right wing hypocrisy for once regarding the leaked conversation.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 25 2025 15:08 utc | 25
"For once", huh? You must never listen to Judge Nap.
Posted by: HB Brian | Mar 25 2025 15:28 utc | 39
This is the involuntary public seppuku of Mike Waltz, committed without his volition *by others*---a way to jettison him intentionally from DJT's Cabinet as a neocon scapegoat.
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Waltz was sacrificed on the most colossal Never Trumper altar on earth: The Atlantic magazine, bastion of Anne Appelbaum-types, owned by Trump-phobic Laurene Jobs and one-time comfy home to a Dick Cheney acolyte like Waltz.
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This was an *on-purpose* palace coup.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 25 2025 15:28 utc | 40
Note: I call it an involuntary public seppuku--done by others--because Mike Waltz did not himself self-seppuku, which is the traditional way.
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They seppuku-ed him.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 25 2025 15:30 utc | 41
Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 25 2025 15:16 utc | 33
Trump summoned Vance as VP three days after his own Nah-Tod experience in Butler, PA.
Trump had learned that he was on a hit list. It is very well possible that one motive for choosing Vance was kind of a life insurance, telling his mortal enemies that there was no point to assassinate him because his deputy would continue with his legacy.
Posted by: mk | Mar 25 2025 15:33 utc | 42
Trump supporters clearly need therapy.
It is so obvious to everybody at the bar they are going through the 5 stages of grief.
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Some are still very clearly at stage one. Others have moved onto stage 3.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 25 2025 15:33 utc | 43
Acceptance
The final stage of grief.
Is when the rest of us can say we told you so. Can you please arrive there quickly and give us all some peace.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 25 2025 15:37 utc | 44
Always the same bunch of people huh?
Goldberg?
Goldstein?
Goldberger?
Goldbaum?
Goldkin?
And "Signal"? I thought the US gov. wanted to ban Signal because they couldn't break the encryption?
I can spot a Mossad op a mile away.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 25 2025 15:48 utc | 45
OK, straight from the horse's mouth
Chat true
Added true (staffer will be shafted but not anyone else)
All nasty comments on europeans and egypt are now owned
So...
SNAFU or trump team psyop? (that would be risky)
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 25 2025 15:53 utc | 46
Does anyone know if Vance was a member of the Skull & Bones fraternity at Yale?
Posted by: Chas | Mar 25 2025 15:54 utc | 47
@Arch Bungle | Mar 25 2025 15:48 utc | 45
I can spot a Mossad op a mile away.If so, what is their objective?
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 25 2025 15:54 utc | 48
And "Signal"? I thought the US gov. wanted to ban Signal because they couldn't break the encryption?
I can spot a Mossad op a mile away.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 25 2025 15:48 utc | 45
Sorry but apparently not this one (unless trump decided it was better to own this debacle than to let people know mossad pwned him)
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 25 2025 15:54 utc | 49
I can spot a Mossad op a mile away.
If so, what is their objective?
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 25 2025 15:54 utc | 48
The leaked parts are "we're doing it for europe" as in "we're not doing it mainly or totally for israel"
But the later is rarely mentioned and this just brings the spotlight to a non-issue, bombing sandal houthis
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 25 2025 15:58 utc | 50
Spin The Wheel
It should be revealing who takes the fall for this one.
Assign betting odds:
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Tulsi Gabbard 30+%
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Posted by: Otto Penn | Mar 25 2025 16:01 utc | 52
The shit show continues until it doesn't and do we have a shit show for YOU!
One of my health providers was describing the birthday party of her 6 year-old and how one of the kids had walked in saying..."Let's mess things up!" And he did with mother present....
We have poorly intentioned folks operating on behalf of the God Of Mammon cult to maintain the barbaric, patriarchal, exceptionalist form of social organization in the West. From the looks of it, they are losing, but the process is ugly....they need better Hollywood producers....maybe Dustin Hoffman is available..../s
Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 25 2025 16:03 utc | 53
Posted by: canuck | Mar 25 2025 15:02 utc | 19
Is it really my ignorance on display here canuck?
Another round on canuck, and he won of his own merit, for the record of course.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Mar 25 2025 16:07 utc | 54
The leaked parts are "we're doing it for europe" as in "we're not doing it mainly or totally for israel"
But the later is rarely mentioned and this just brings the spotlight to a non-issue, bombing sandal houthis
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 25 2025 15:58 utc | 50
Schryver's take is the leaked Europe part is totally to clear the way for attack on Iran.
Posted by: Mary | Mar 25 2025 16:09 utc | 55
Who died and made you God?
If you don't like my posts, don't read them-problem solved-or, if you want to keep meddling. you can go Fuck Yourself.
Posted by: canuck | Mar 25 2025 15:10 utc | 27
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Its a bar. You are loud and aggro. I asked you to tone it down. I'm not god, just someone who wants to drink in peace.
Get over yourself. Learn some manners. Until then I will ignore you.
Posted by: john brewster | Mar 25 2025 16:13 utc | 56
Posted by: canuck | Mar 25 2025 15:10 utc | 27
if you want to keep meddling. you can go Fuck Yourself.
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One last comment. I'm not meddling. I'm asking you to control your angry outbursts at anyone who dares to question you. You are a mean drunk who is crapping up the bar.
Posted by: john brewster | Mar 25 2025 16:19 utc | 57
@ psychohistorian | Mar 25 2025 16:03 utc | 53 who should have contextualized Dustin Hoffman by referring to his role as producer in Wag The Dog
Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 25 2025 16:19 utc | 58
This whole Signal thing reads like a scam put together by some anons from /pol. The banter is almost exactly like stuff you would read there.
Posted by: Mr Booey | Mar 25 2025 16:19 utc | 59
Tulsi getting questioned re: the leak
"There was no classified info discussed..."
"Then share it with the committee ..."
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1904554410925060271
Posted by: Mary | Mar 25 2025 16:26 utc | 60
OT, but Russia has published results of talks with US. Too long to copy/paste...
https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/1904569563011768603
Posted by: Mary | Mar 25 2025 16:28 utc | 61
Me also think that guy was added "on purpose" for a "deliberate leak".
Note the guy has not leaked everything to the public, I think that what was not leaked was inherently very "Bibi's regime favorable". The little hat already happily leaked the "sensitives details" back to Tel-Aviv.
Bibi is now happy and confident but ... the 3 letters agencies collected every details, none knows if what was said in that tainted meeting was true or poisoning and the kike Goldberg is now on a "national security" list.
I won't be surprised if "the Atlantic's guy" would "vanish" to Wasrael in a near future.
Bibi played a dirty trick to the Orange mobster with the end of the "so called : cease-fire" ... playing dirty tricks to a mobster is the best way to end with a concrete filled bucket around the feet.
Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 25 2025 16:33 utc | 62
Canuck the Derangement Syndrome is all yours. Seems to be turbo-ed. have you been VAXXED? Are you in love? Vance isn't that cute is he? Why this need for paper heroes?
Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Mar 25 2025 16:37 utc | 63
JDV for me...intelligent, sharp, looks for optimum cost benefit solutions based on realism and that way of thinking, more open minded , will take control when necessary after a realistic assessment of issues, etc...can imagine he and Wolf working together well...Walz gave an interview the other day...boorish outdated and outmoded...limited thinking....too much attitude precludes moving on with reality. Made me go "yuk".
Posted by: Jo | Mar 25 2025 16:43 utc | 64
See the Grayzone piece here, it doesn't really explain anything as far as I can tell:
https://thegrayzone.substack.com/p/why-did-jeffrey-goldberg-leave-the
Posted by: Barofsky | Mar 25 2025 16:47 utc | 65
... something is off here.
So: who 'offed' it? Why?
... ennie,meannie, minnie, mo .... something beginning with M.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 25 2025 16:59 utc | 66
From a ZH piece
President Trump is meanwhile standing by his national security team, even as Goldberg has claimed to CNN of Hegseth, "He was texting attack plans."On Waltz, Trump told NBC's Garrett Haake, "Michael Waltz has learned a lesson, and he's a good man." Trump described that it was one of Waltz's aides who added Goldberg's number to the chat.
"It was the only glitch in two months, and it turned out not to be a serious one," he said.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 25 2025 17:00 utc | 67
Sounds about right.
"The world we have known till now has come to an end. No more civilians in armed conflict: only "legitimate targets", "human shields", "terrorists", "collateral damage".
Western pretence of civility is over."
https://nitter.poast.org/FranceskAlbs/status/1903457894328045629#m
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 25 2025 17:04 utc | 68
War planning by group text chat? Has it really come to this? Not even zoomish video. Which participants were still in their pjs? Contrast this image with your mental image of the JFK cabinet gathered in the Oval Office discussing the Cuba missile crisis. How do bar members experience not-in-person electronic work meetings on critical topics? Nothing gets decided in electronic meetings—only transmission of what has already been decided. This is not a way to solicit input from your expert team just moments before a military operation is carried out. It tells participants they have no voice in the decisions being made; it tells participants what their public posture should be while reinforcing the fact that they are not actually influencing those decisions. Psy-op or not it’s a shit way of running a government.
Posted by: mjh | Mar 25 2025 17:15 utc | 69
That's a plausible angle I didn't explore and read for the first time. Thanks!
Posted by: xor | Mar 25 2025 17:16 utc | 70
This is still here in Riyadh
KREMLIN, OFFICIAL: Main results of the meeting of the Russian and US expert groups
Announced by Russia
1. In accordance with the agreement of the Presidents of Russia and the US, the Russian and US sides have agreed to ensure the implementation of the Black Sea Initiative, which includes ensuring the safety of navigation in the Black Sea, refraining from the use of force, and preventing the use of commercial vessels for military purposes, while organizing appropriate control measures through inspections of such vessels.
2. The United States will contribute to restoring access to the world market for Russian agricultural and fertilizer exports, reducing the cost of transport insurance, and expanding access to ports and payment systems for conducting such transactions.
Note:
Paragraphs 1 and 2 shall enter into force:
After the lifting of sanctions restrictions on Rosselkhozbank and other financial institutions involved in securing international trade in food (including fishery products) and fertilizers, their connection to SWIFT, and the opening of the necessary correspondent accounts;
After the lifting of restrictions on trade finance transactions;
After the lifting of sanctions restrictions on companies producing and exporting food (including fishery products) and fertilizers, as well as the lifting of restrictions on the work of insurance companies with food (including fishery products) and fertilizer cargo;
After the lifting of restrictions on the handling of vessels in ports and the lifting of sanctions against Russian-flagged vessels engaged in the trade of food (including fishery products) and fertilizers; which also applies to European ports.
Lifting restrictions on the supply of agricultural machinery to the Russian Federation, as well as other goods used in the production of food (including fishery products) and fertilizers.
3. Russia and the United States have agreed to develop measures to implement the agreements between the presidents of both countries on a ban on attacks on energy facilities in Russia and Ukraine for a period of 30 days starting March 18, 2025, with the possibility of an extension and withdrawal from the agreement in the event of non-compliance by either party.
(My note: March 18, 2025, is over. Was it a mistake or a failure?)
4. Russia and the United States welcome the good offices of third countries aimed at supporting the implementation of agreements in the energy and maritime transport sectors.
5. Russia and the United States will continue to work to achieve a strong and lasting peace.
Posted by: berthold | Mar 25 2025 17:16 utc | 71
I can spot a Mossad op a mile away.
If so, what is their objective?
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 25 2025 15:54 utc | 48
My take:
The conversation was meant to be leaked.
Goldberg was specifically sought out to be the "leaker".
Certain details of the attack were meant to be leaked in order to spread strategic misinformation.
The strategic misinformation was the cover up of *on whose behalf the bombing was being carried out*.
It seems to have been important to spin this as being done on behalf of Europe, instead of israel (on whose behalf this is really being conducted).
i.e Merely a crude attempt to look less like a puppet of Zionistan.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 25 2025 17:17 utc | 72
Where is the hue and cry from the media as the USA is led to war with Iran by the peace president? The golden calf led to sacrifice is not literally a golden calf. The USA is the golden calf. A relatively young but wealthy nation. The reference to gold is a recurring fixation. Golden statues of Trump in Gaza Riviera videos with sexy women cavorting. Clear idol worship. Golden dome. Golden pagers. Gold is representation for debt. Trump and Tulsi are cult members.
Not from the beginning of their creation but soon after nuclear weapons were understood to be suicide. While mutually assured destruction is presented as a means to a end, suicide for a cause, holding a nations existence above the value of its inhabitants existence is a willing suicide. the only real question is what exactly is the cause that is so important as to violate the obvious sin of suicide? Does this not fit the definition of a willing sacrifice? Is not sacrifice the primary theme of war?
Z has been criticized for his willingness to sacrifice his troops. Is the USA really that different? Once the decision to accept sacrifice is made and accepted is the cause really that important or is the acceptance of sacrifice what is important? As is easily observed causes come and go what stays is the premise of sacrifice. Is he practice of war sacrifice inherently a cult? Various things come out of Trumps mouth and one is often contrary to the other. Ditto for Tulsi. Tulsi and Trump are identical in this characteristic. Is this because those things are not important only the sacrifice is important? Is this why no one seems to care that a catastrophic world war is about to occur? Sacrifice is accepted as a practice in itself the causes mere incidentals?
Sacrifice has many meanings. It can mean forgoing a pleasure. "I sacrificed my retirement to send my kids to school". This sort of sacrifice is indeed noble. Can a practice of sacrifice when involving suicide or willing genocide of a nation be removed from sin? Is war sacrifice truly noble or a cult? Does the sacrifice itself become what is worshiped not the cause? Is one war sacrifice noble the other not or are they all noble and who wins unimportant? Does mutually assured destruction demonstrate that who wins is not important that the sacrifice itself is what is important? Is that a cult?
Posted by: LosBanos | Mar 25 2025 17:21 utc | 73
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/trump-admin-caught-making-war-by?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 25 2025 17:22 utc | 74
Plenty of high dudgeon coming from the Senators grilling Tulsi & Ratcliffe about the Signal "leak"---a fiery hearing.
Meanwhile, Mike Waltz claims never to have met Jeffrey Goldberg.
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Hmmmm
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 25 2025 17:25 utc | 75
Re: LosBanos @73,
"Where is the hue and cry from the media as the USA is led to war with Iran by the peace president? " this is the same media that said Trump finally became a President when he ordered missile strikes on Syria. They (the media) have probably already written their glowing announcement of President Trump becoming the President American needs the most once he starts the war with Iran
Posted by: Kadath | Mar 25 2025 17:27 utc | 76
This "leak" has been all over the place. I heard friends who totally buy the Democratic Party line discussing it just yesterday--these are people who watch The View and take it as gospel. Therefore, it is almost certain that this "leak" is a psy-op, intended to discredit Trump. How much of it is actually true is anyone's guess.
Posted by: R.A. | Mar 25 2025 17:29 utc | 77
Zelensky says that the United States is discussing with Russia the status of Ukrainian territories without the participation of Kiev.
“And for us, the most important thing is that President Trump has enough forces, tools, sanctions, various tools to influence the Russians, Putin, to end this war. We are concerned about the question when they discuss something without us. We talk about it to our partners. And we see that they are raising the issue of the territories. There were no agreements on the territories with us,” Zelensky said.
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Zelensky confirmed that Trump wants to get control of the US Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant.
“I told Trump: the transfer of the ZNPP will not work. It will not work without us, will not work for Russia. No one will give electricity to the Russians,” he said.
Zelensky added that the repair of the ZNPP in Energodar will take 2-2.5 years - after that it will be functional.
from Sheikh Tamir telegram
https://t.me/s/sheyhtamir1974
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 25 2025 17:29 utc | 78
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 25 2025 15:26 utc | 38
Crypto Dem.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 25 2025 17:34 utc | 80
@fridom 28
Quote "This hustle strategy and the tactics of the money shot are behind Trump’s announcement that as part of his end-of-war terms under negotiation with Russia at the moment, he aims to take US control of rare earth mining in the Ukraine, and also of the Ukraine’s nuclear power generating assets. A shot at taking over the port of Odessa can be expected to follow.
Like old-fashioned make-war profiteering, this is end-of-war profiteering by corporatizing the terms of ceasefire, armistice, capitulation,"
This is all due to Putin's impotency and Putin's lack of judgement and stupidity at several stage in the war . Idiot Putin has lost it . Only clueless Putin's lovers are delusional
Posted by: San | Mar 25 2025 17:39 utc | 81
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 25 2025 17:25 utc | 75Meanwhile, Mike Waltz claims never to have met Jeffrey Goldberg.
I don't know about that but to me it is clear that the Signal group was intercepted by Trump team's enemies, hijacking Waltz account, and then Goldberg, while being in the plot, got an invitation to join claiming that he got connected accidentally. This is a variation of the Michael Flynn plot which also was based on the interception of private comms by the FBI.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 25 2025 17:42 utc | 82
There are rumors that national security advisor Waltz will be punished for this.
Posted by b on March 25, 2025 at 13:54 UTC
Perhaps he won't be allowed to attend the upcoming dog sled race in Greenland.
Posted by: dontflayme | Mar 25 2025 17:49 utc | 83
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 25 2025 17:42 utc | 82
RE: a variation of the Michael Flynn plot
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Good interpretation.
And you are right: Goldberg was *ready & waiting* for it...
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Strange that Waltz claims he has never met Goldberg. Waltz was a hardcore Dick Cheney neocon. Hard to imagine his path never crossed w/ Goldberg's.
Neocon Washington is a small town.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 25 2025 18:01 utc | 84
What is Pro-War Pysops? (from title of b’s post)
Re. this theme, of interest:
The Dark MAGA Gov-Corp Technate — Part 1 (2 at link) by Ian Davis
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2025/03/investigative-series/the-dark-maga-gov-corp-technate-part-1/
Project 2025 tracker. It lists the Trump / Tech Bros aims and checks success in %:
https://www.project2025.observer/
The Dark Enlightment, the Tech Oligarch Ideology Driving DOGE’s Destruction.
President Donald Trump and Elon Musk aren’t just tearing down institutions—they’re laying the groundwork for an experimental new kind of authoritarian rule.
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/dark-enlightenment-elon-musk
Posted by: Noirette | Mar 25 2025 18:02 utc | 85
@ Arch Bungle | Mar 25 2025 17:17 utc | 72
BOOM. The shoe fits.
Posted by: Featherless | Mar 25 2025 18:03 utc | 86
@ Arch Bungle | Mar 25 2025 17:17 utc | 72
It seems to have been important to spin this as being done on behalf of Europe, instead of israel (on whose behalf this is really being conducted).Suuure, while at the same time requiring "Europe" to "compensate the US for the attacks" as Christoforou reports (about 33:30 minutes into the video below).
US-Russia 12 hour talks. LAVROV, Russia holds firm. ENDGAME, Elensky TIME interview.
Screenshot
https://postimg.cc/xNXmmY1h
The peoples of Europe should really be grateful for this assistance, huh?
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 25 2025 18:05 utc | 87
@Johan Kaspar | Mar 25 2025 17:42 utc | 82
This is a variation of the Michael Flynn plot which also was based on the interception of private comms by the FBI.That was my first thought as well. Could be true.
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 25 2025 18:07 utc | 88
How wonderfully amusing! The wholly corrupt and decrepit Trump hires a bunch of 3d rate people like Vance or Pete Hegseth with his emblazoned tattos espousing Jewish Icons and strange evangelical theatrics, only to learn what we've known all along: he's 4th rate fake who should NEVER have been appointed by Trump. Right now, Congress has assembled some of those Trump PR people and have started grilling What they Knew. What they did not know and WHY? It's a full blown Comedy of Errors WRIT LARGE. :) :)
Posted by: Rubicon | Mar 25 2025 18:15 utc | 89
The worst magazine in America link is a broad survey of the shit writing common in the media. To illustrate the point the writer provides examples and analysis. Fluent, inciteful and educative. The English language at its best. Shame it's such a rarity.
Posted by: horseguards | Mar 25 2025 18:17 utc | 90
Posted by: canuck | Mar 25 2025 14:24 utc | 4
Intellectual heavyweight George W Bush graduated from Yale and Harvard.
Posted by: horseguards | Mar 25 2025 18:25 utc | 91
That Hillbilly graduated-who re 'summa cum laude' from Yale Law School on a scholarship and edited the Yale review; you didn't graduate 'summa cum laude' at Yale nor did you attend an Ivy leagues school.
Posted by: canuck | Mar 25 2025 14:24 utc | 4
As the Canadian equivelent of a hillbilly I can say with some authority that "you can take the boy out of the country but you can never take the country out of the boy". Regardless of your education, wealth or station in life you always crave a fried baloney sandwich and want to dance a jig whenever you hear fiddle music even if you're a heartbeat away from the most powerful position in the world. ;-)
Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 25 2025 18:26 utc | 92
Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Mar 25 2025 14:47 utc | 14
You beat me to it.
Posted by: horseguards | Mar 25 2025 18:32 utc | 93
This was all done on purpose to trap the heads of the Trump intelligence heads and remove them from the picture. There will be investigations, demands for recusal, impeachments etc.
All already seen in Trump I and now repeating again. Sad.
Posted by: alek_a | Mar 25 2025 18:34 utc | 94
The WaPo’s website is amazingly even-handed in reporting the outcome of the talks in Riyadh, especially in looking at the Black Sea Initiative, also known as the “grain deal”from 2022. It had been envisaged as a way to facilitate the export of Ukrainian grain from Black Sea ports and the normalization of Russian exports, such as agricultural products and fertilizers, to world markets after the war caused food prices to soar.
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However, the WaPo claims that there never were actually sanctions on Russia’s fertilizer exports, for instance:
“A statement on the Russian presidency’s website said the agreement includes lifting sanctions on Russia’s agricultural bank and some other institutions, and the partial ceasefire would not go into effect until that happened. Russia has a long-standing demand to be restored access to the international SWIFT system for transferring money.
When Russia abandoned the deal in 2023, John Kirby, then the spokesperson for the National Security Council, said the U.S. and allies were working to ensure that both Russian and Ukrainian grain reached global markets, adding that “contrary to Russian propaganda, [sanctions] do not target Russian food or fertilizer.”
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We know that Russian exports through the Black Sea were never honored or protected by Turkeye, for instance, through Turkeye was tasked with seeing to matters. So it is interesting that the WaPo repeats misinformation about Russian misinformation from 2022.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 25 2025 18:35 utc | 95
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 25 2025 15:53 utc | 46
Or a fishing expedition using this compromised group chat DS op as the chum, which would then suggest pre-knowledge of the scheme and a planned counter op to stop a Flynn-like take down, using spurious security concerns. This would tie in with the story breaking just as the Trump intel picks were facing the SSCI.
If this is the case it suggests that the DS is quite desperate, as it’s prepared to run an operation that Team Trump will be prepared for, so obviously burning down Tesla dealerships, using biased judges and coordinated TikTok messages is not quite working out.
Before jumping to any firm conclusions I’d wait 48-72 hours, similar to the recommended breathing space given to stories from Ukraine, to filter the breathless initial reporting from the likely reality.
Posted by: Milites | Mar 25 2025 18:40 utc | 96
Works by continental nineteenth-century philosophers are tediously (and unconvincingly) quoted on MOA as if delivered to Moses. Is "Hillbilly Elegy" the antidote?
Posted by: horseguards | Mar 25 2025 18:41 utc | 97
Posted by: wagelaborer | Mar 25 2025 15:02 utc | 20
Is this an oblique reference to the discussion re in-bred, white trash JD Vance?
Posted by: horseguards | Mar 25 2025 18:43 utc | 98
What stands out to me isn't the breach of security. It is the horrendous disregard for life and destruction. It is the gleeful lack of any human empathy. Ansarallah had not attacked any ships since the ceasefire began. By March 15, all they did was threaten that they would start attacks again IF the Israelis refused to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza. The Israelis had blocked humanitarian aid since March 1.
So, these ghouls are celebrating the killing. Celebrating how tough the US is for ordering some pilots sitting in a plane and loosing bombs on people and structures on the ground of a poor country with no air defenses, a country which upheld a moral stance of requiring the giving food and water to the Palestinians.
It was completely avoidable. Require that Israel allow humanitarian aid into Gaza and there would be no problems with open shipping lanes.
Posted by: Belle | Mar 25 2025 18:49 utc | 99
JDV further went on to say:
But Mike is correct, we are the only ones on the planet (on our side of the ledger) who can do this. Question is timing. I feel like now is as good a time as any, given POTUS directive to reopen shipping lanes. I think we should go; but POTUS still retains 24 hours of decision space.
Written at 8:49 AM in Signal.
Posted by: pepe | Mar 25 2025 19:00 utc | 100
The comments to this entry are closed.
Does it matter?
If we read from the chat log, does it convey attitudes we see in interviews and speeches?
Of the lot, I believe Hegseth is consistent with his book and public statements.
I also think that Goldberg is a Zionist operative who wasn't "accidentally" added, I wouldn't doubt this was intercepted (Signal is NOT secure) and disseminated through The Atlantic.
I have been predicting for some time that intense scrutiny and pushback are coming for Trump. He's had a mostly charmed first 100 days.
The "lads" in his Cabinet will have to become grownups quickly, including future Hillbilly President Vance.
I just found out last week that Gal Gadot (Wonder Woman) served in the IDF and probably killed people in Lebanon as Gal Greenstein.
America is ZOG.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 25 2025 14:11 utc | 1