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March 23, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-060
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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About 2 years ago an external commentator insisted the Russia wins by merely continuing to pursue the SMO. Posted by: Polli | Mar 23 2025 15:32 utc | 1 An interesting point, with just a sliver of Kursk , AFU is still losing 190 per day there. Posted by: Newbie | Mar 23 2025 15:37 utc | 2 I get the impression that Russia operates this war on a quota basis, with a target of around 1000 Nazi corpses a day. If they achieve this quota they don’t advance and are content to let the other side feed them meat. If it starts to drop, they take over one more village or do an incremental advance to goad the Ukies into a mindless counter blitz which seems to work 100% of the time. Repeat and rinse. Hence why Kursk is not yet fully cleared: it’s still “profitable” to them. Posted by: Moonraker | Mar 23 2025 16:01 utc | 3 Ukraine Weekly Update, 21st March 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-f46 Posted by: The Busker | Mar 23 2025 16:05 utc | 4 ” I get the impression that Russia operates this war on a quota basis, with a target of around 1000 Nazi corpses a day. If they achieve this quota they don’t advance and are content to let the other side feed them meat. Posted by: Salami | Mar 23 2025 16:06 utc | 5 “In this case, we don’t have a traditional victor who imposes capitulation terms on the traditionally defeated adversary,” Andrei Kortunov said. “Any attempt to have a *talk-down* approach to President Putin is not going to work. We should therefore be modest in our expectations. Conservative gains in more neutral areas of the negotiation topics can pave the way to resolving controversial issues in other areas.” Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 23 2025 16:15 utc | 7 Link for Diesen/Kortunov/Mercouris chat: Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 23 2025 16:15 utc | 8 Ukraine has just broke the ceasefire again in Zaporozhye according to governor Balitsky: https://t.me/TheIslanderNews/36590. If were Putin, I’d just call the whole thing off. Posted by: The Busker | Mar 23 2025 16:18 utc | 9 Trump has planted a ‘politically unwordly’ figure like Witkoff into peace talks to justify a no-plan ‘ceasefire’ because the issues are ‘too complex’ for a political amateur like Witkoff to deal with. Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 23 2025 16:23 utc | 10 Trump has planted a ‘politically unwordly’ figure like Witkoff into peace talks to justify a no-plan ‘ceasefire’ because the issues are ‘too complex’ for a political amateur like Witkoff to deal with. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 23 2025 16:38 utc | 11 Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 23 2025 15:34 utc | 240 (on prior Ukraine thread) Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 23 2025 16:46 utc | 12 Mr. Donald John Trump (DJT) does not have any cards to play except for bluffing. All of the US of A ”wonder weapons” have been destroyed. They have lost billions due to sanctions, which have backfired. Additionally, they wasted $120 billion and received nothing in return. The Russian Federation (RUF) possesses more nuclear weapons and superior military technology, and there is little the Yanks can do in this situation. Meanwhile, RUF’s economy is strengthening due to its self-reliance and the development of its own technology. The Motherland never disappoints her people and the Supreme Commander in Chief Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (VVP) is our sacred salvation. Posted by: pepe | Mar 23 2025 16:53 utc | 13 An interesting point, with just a sliver of Kursk , AFU is still losing 190 per day there. Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 23 2025 16:55 utc | 14 There is nothing ‘politically unworldy’ about Witkoff (“Whitehead?”), he is probably the best sheister the American chapter of Chabad Lubovitch could conjure up for this job. Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 23 2025 16:59 utc | 15 Posted by: Moonraker | Mar 23 2025 16:01 utc | 3 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 23 2025 16:59 utc | 16 Posted by: pepe | Mar 23 2025 16:53 utc | 13 Posted by: Milites | Mar 23 2025 17:03 utc | 17 Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 23 2025 16:59 utc | 15 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 23 2025 17:04 utc | 18 “The Russians are giving them the Stalingrad treatment in Kursk. Ukrainian forces are in fields and forests cut off from food, ammo, rest and replacements. The wounded aren’t getting care. It’s hell on earth there and the Russians are taking their time letting lice, disease, hunger and cold do the work for them. Imaging the smell of the dead, gangerene, hunger, the moans of the wounded and constant shelling 24/7. A quick finish would be merciful. Posted by: g wiltek | Mar 23 2025 17:07 utc | 19 but you are saying his inabilty to name the 4 oblasts on camera was all part of the ruse? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 23 2025 17:10 utc | 20 John Mearsheimer with Daniel Davis’ “Deep Dive”: Posted by: WMG | Mar 23 2025 17:13 utc | 21 Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 23 2025 16:59 utc | 15 Posted by: pepe | Mar 23 2025 17:15 utc | 22 The narrative is still to the last Ukrainian. Posted by: jpc | Mar 23 2025 17:19 utc | 23 Embarrassing but not unexpected. The movement of troops and equipment to attack Belgorod oblast was reported more than a month ago. RUAFs biggest enemy remains corruption and incompetence. No wonder they are not rushing to liberate the new oblasts when a possible peace settlement is in the air. No sane commander would rush his troops into a certain death when a victory is going to be given away again and the high command wants them to fight with one hand behind the back. All the while NATO keeps destroying RUAF on russian land with HIMARS and F-16’s.
Posted by: cirnosad | Mar 23 2025 17:21 utc | 24 Essential reading for all non-surface feeders: Posted by: TobyClear | Mar 23 2025 17:26 utc | 25 Posted by: Milites | Mar 23 2025 17:03 utc | 17 Posted by: pepe | Mar 23 2025 17:32 utc | 26 Your theory is only correct if this is an intentional depopulation operation against hapless Ukranian conscripts. Additionally, how many Russians are also lost because of this “quota” system? Posted by: Simon C | Mar 23 2025 17:34 utc | 27 Suicide bomber blows up police station in Odessa. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 23 2025 17:35 utc | 28 …] The greatest danger for Trump is not on the foreign policy front—it is on the economic front.” Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 23 2025 17:36 utc | 29 Posted by: cirnosad | Mar 23 2025 17:21 utc | 24 Posted by: bored | Mar 23 2025 17:37 utc | 30 If the U.S. achieves a ceasefire on Black Sea commercial vessels in its Saudi talks w/ Ukraine, starting on Sunday 23 March and its talks w/ Russia beginning on Monday 24 March, the guarantee is that Ukraine will breach the ceasefire agreement right & left. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 23 2025 17:42 utc | 31 28 – A woman, apparently. Female suicide bombers are occasionally found in Turkey, but Odessa? Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 23 2025 17:43 utc | 32 It remains the most amazing thing about this war that the Ukrainian people keep supplying this daily quota without complaint. The power of mind control on full display. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 23 2025 17:44 utc | 33
and this will come to the rest of western europe once the unelected autocratic regimes get their war going. people think that they are safe, that they can refuse conscription (germany just revoked this right in january?), that because we are “the civilized west with values”, the same grey vans like in the ukraine wont drive around our towns. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 23 2025 17:51 utc | 34 Your theory is only correct if this is an intentional depopulation operation against hapless Ukranian conscripts. Additionally, how many Russians are also lost because of this “quota” system? Posted by: Simon C | Mar 23 2025 17:51 utc | 35 Dima: Posted by: unimperator | Mar 23 2025 17:51 utc | 36 Additionally, how many Russians are also lost because of this “quota” system? Posted by: Newbie | Mar 23 2025 17:58 utc | 37 Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 23 2025 17:36 utc | 29 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 23 2025 18:06 utc | 38 https://www.flightradar24.com/CKS9706/39977493 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 23 2025 18:07 utc | 39 And these wars, they can’t be won Posted by: Apollyon | Mar 23 2025 18:08 utc | 40 The plane had arrived at Rzeszow from Dover Air Force Base in the States. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 23 2025 18:09 utc | 41 Anyone else finding that the “translate” extension to the Brave browser fails to translate Russian all of a sudden? Been a couple of days now. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 23 2025 18:15 utc | 42 and this will come to the rest of western europe once the unelected autocratic regimes get their war going. people think that they are safe, that they can refuse conscription (germany just revoked this right in january?), that because we are “the civilized west with values”, the same grey vans like in the ukraine wont drive around our towns. Posted by: Satepestage | Mar 23 2025 18:25 utc | 43 fyi Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 23 2025 19:09 utc | 44 It’s difficult for me to imagine Syrian-Germans, or Moroccan-Spaniards, or Libyan-Italians, or Somali-Dutch, or Iranian-Swedes, or Ugandan-Brits, etc, being willing to go fight and die over the question of whose flag flies over Donetsk. Posted by: Kkaus | Mar 23 2025 19:18 utc | 45 Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 23 2025 19:09 utc | 44 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 23 2025 19:25 utc | 46 @Arch
No, Witkoff is a name of Slavic origin. It appears in Russian, Bulgarian as Vitkov (in modern EN translation), in Polish as Witkow, more often Witkowski, which is just the fancy version. Posted by: BG13 | Mar 23 2025 19:29 utc | 47 It’s difficult for me to imagine Syrian-Germans, or Moroccan-Spaniards, or Libyan-Italians, or Somali-Dutch, or Iranian-Swedes, or Ugandan-Brits, etc, being willing to go fight and die over the question of whose flag flies over Donetsk. Posted by: Satepestage | Mar 23 2025 19:29 utc | 48 @YetAnotherAnon | Mar 23 2025 18:15 utc | 42 Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 23 2025 19:33 utc | 49 In a 4-day period which gave us Tucker’s sit-down w/ Witkoff, we now receive a masterclass in diplomacy & foreign affairs from Zakharova on Ritter’s interview podcast (called The Russia House.). Link below. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 23 2025 19:35 utc | 50 You can die an official traitor coward behind the lines or die on the line and be buried as a hero patriot. Posted by: rk | Mar 23 2025 19:40 utc | 51 Posted by: Kkaus | Mar 23 2025 19:18 utc | 45 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 23 2025 19:41 utc | 52 Posted by: Kkaus | Mar 23 2025 19:18 utc | 45 Posted by: Mario | Mar 23 2025 19:45 utc | 53 33 – I saw a photo of repatriated Kiev POWs following a recent prisoner exchange (Western MSM never show repatriated Russians as far as I have seen). They had been given Ukrainian flags to drape over themselves. They all looked slightly bewildered and seemed to be over 30. Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 23 2025 19:50 utc | 54 Losers are definitely … US too given they are abandoning their strength. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 23 2025 19:52 utc | 55 Been saying this for months but I’ve been called a troll. Ukraine is NOT running out of ammunition OR troops any time soon. Money, arms, and mercenaries keep pouring in all the while the sanctions are crippling Russia. Russia better fully mobilize, or they are going to lose this. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 23 2025 19:55 utc | 56 Posted by: Mario | Mar 23 2025 19:45 utc | 53 Posted by: Satepestage | Mar 23 2025 19:56 utc | 57 57 – In Afghanistan, the British Army was using soldiers from places like Fiji or Tonga. “Commonwealth” connections possibly with British citizenship offered as an incentive but it is likely they were not managing to fill the ranks with people from London, Birmingham or Glasgow, indigenous Brits or not. The British Army is notably tiny, which makes the posturing of Starmer ridiculous. Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 23 2025 20:04 utc | 58 Posted by: Kkaus | Mar 23 2025 19:18 utc | 45 Posted by: snake | Mar 23 2025 20:16 utc | 59 Posted by: Satepestage | Mar 23 2025 19:56 utc | 57 Posted by: Mario | Mar 23 2025 20:19 utc | 60 The British Army is notably tiny, which makes the posturing of Starmer ridiculous. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 23 2025 20:22 utc | 61 It remains the most amazing thing about this war that the Ukrainian people keep supplying this daily quota without complaint. The power of mind control on full display. Posted by: Ering46z | Mar 23 2025 21:11 utc | 62 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 23 2025 19:35 utc | 50 Posted by: Ering46z | Mar 23 2025 21:14 utc | 63 …or intentional depopulation Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 23 2025 21:16 utc | 64 ..] The greatest danger for Trump is not on the foreign policy front—it is on the economic front.” Posted by: Ralpheaterofcheese | Mar 23 2025 21:19 utc | 65 Indipendently of the kind of society those who are smarter and have the possibilities are not going to war. Posted by: Satepestage | Mar 23 2025 21:24 utc | 66 @ Apollyon, §40: Posted by: John Marks | Mar 23 2025 21:26 utc | 67 @ Waldorf | Mar 23 2025 20:04 utc Posted by: Raumati | Mar 23 2025 21:34 utc | 68 If were Putin, I’d just call the whole thing off. Posted by: Suresh | Mar 23 2025 21:50 utc | 69 The western alliance disintergrates before our very eyes ! Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 23 2025 22:19 utc | 70 @ Ralpheaterofcheese | Mar 23 2025 21:19 utc | 65 Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 23 2025 22:25 utc | 71 and the real tell is obvious: Posted by: Suresh | Mar 23 2025 22:29 utc | 72 The western alliance disintergrates before our very eyes ! Posted by: smartfox | Mar 23 2025 23:03 utc | 73 Sounds like the U.S. delegation to Saudi for the talks w/ Russia are back-benchers, as far as political strength is concerned. But the Russians have sent full-strength diplomats. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 23 2025 23:20 utc | 74 @ Ralpheaterofcheese | Mar 23 2025 21:19 utc | 65 Posted by: Ralpheaterofcheese | Mar 23 2025 23:21 utc | 75 From what i’m seeing and hearing norh south east and west america just got kettled. Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 23 2025 23:21 utc | 76 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 23 2025 23:21 utc | 76 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 23 2025 23:39 utc | 77 Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 23 2025 19:55 utc | 56 Posted by: bored | Mar 23 2025 23:43 utc | 78 Steel-porcupine @ 77 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 23 2025 23:55 utc | 79 I suggest you read Rybar’s English X or Telegram channel… Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 23 2025 23:58 utc | 80 “Shoulder to shoulder” – used to hear this phrase a lot, especially with the Special Relationship even if it was at times sniggered at by the western side. Looks like it might be on the endangered slogans list any time soon. Posted by: MiGao | Mar 24 2025 0:02 utc | 81 Rybar isn’t credible. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 24 2025 0:26 utc | 82 They are getting that desperate they are putting out AI versions of Col Magregor. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 24 2025 1:04 utc | 83 One day with the AI generated videos it will be impossible to tell the difference. Between real and fake. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 24 2025 1:08 utc | 84 Moment When British Mercenary Was Captured by Russian Troops in Kursk Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 24 2025 1:16 utc | 85 Taking a look at the TWZ and seeing a lot of mentions to frankenSAMs but kind of underwhelming Posted by: Newbie | Mar 24 2025 1:23 utc | 86 Posted by: Ralpheaterofcheese | Mar 23 2025 23:21 utc | 75 Posted by: watcher | Mar 24 2025 1:35 utc | 87 @ steel_porcupine | Mar 23 2025 23:39 utc | 77 Posted by: suzan | Mar 24 2025 1:38 utc | 88 xRespectfully, before you cite that f’ng freak show ritter again, look up what he served nearly 2 years in prison for. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 24 2025 2:06 utc | 89 Posted by: BG13 | Mar 23 2025 19:29 utc | 47 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 24 2025 2:15 utc | 90 Mr. Steven Charles Witkoff (SCW) is not a diplomat but a sales man. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 24 2025 2:19 utc | 91 The one good thing about salesmen is that you’re very clear *early on* what they’re selling. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 24 2025 2:19 utc | 92 Mr. Steven Charles Witkoff (SCW) is not a diplomat but a sales man. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 24 2025 2:25 utc | 93 Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 24 2025 2:25 utc | 93 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2025 3:23 utc | 94 Ask yourself why Russia is “negotiating” with America. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2025 5:33 utc | 95 !—-The Carrot Was Always Really A Stick—! Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 24 2025 6:06 utc | 96 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 24 2025 5:33 utc | 95 Posted by: pepe | Mar 24 2025 6:26 utc | 97 The place of the negociation, Riad, means that it was played as a gift to MbS to rehabilitate him in international politics. In exchange of what, we shall see. Posted by: Tom | Mar 24 2025 8:02 utc | 98 If I have understood Steve Witkoff correctly, Putin wants to give Ukraine the extremely important port city of Odessa to appease the Western partners. Posted by: guest from franconia | Mar 24 2025 8:45 utc | 99 Posted by: Tom | Mar 24 2025 8:02 utc | 98 Posted by: pepe | Mar 24 2025 8:50 utc | 100 |
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