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March 20, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-057
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Posted by: Clown Shoes | Mar 22 2025 21:02 utc | 402
As I mentioned the Flygsystem 2020 could be a stealth Gripen with a lot of more modern stuff and little of the f35 defects (maybe also a new engine)
And the Flygsystem 2025 a twin engine full 6th generation beast but cheaper and more reliable than us stuff.
Yes, the aerospatial boeing is still (maybe) salvageable, but much of their management should take the russian exit route (windows, the real ones, not OS)
I mentioned that for the boeing-saab T7 the wining proposal was way under budget and the platform is a nice one, even for an ultra-light-weight fighter. (you might need drone/cruise hunters, and either it’s slow hunters like the super-tucano or something like a F7 to get to the area faster)
As I mentioned if boeing doesn’t scrw their side of the deal IKEA (saab) fighters (cheap, practical and nice looking) might become a thing
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 22 2025 21:38 utc | 401
LoveDonbass@383…like most Canadians, you have no idea what types of terror Canada conducts overseas on behalf of it’s Imperial Masters, do you have any Canadian friends, preferably in the military. There has not been one regime change operation conducted on behalf of the Five Eye Conglomeration that Canada did not participate in, post WW2, regardless of planetary location….
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 22 2025 22:40 utc | 402
re: steel_porcupine | Mar 22 2025 17:05 utc | 385
thanks for posting the link to the slander against Dany Davis (who is a decent guy and worth listening to).
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/03/tulsi-gabbard-daniel-davis-defense-priorities-israel-russia/
David Cornhole is a total piece of crap who floats to the top of the MSM toilet.
Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 22 2025 23:31 utc | 403
@Avtonom | Sat, 22 Mar 2025 14:04:00 GMT | 366
Unfortunately I don’t think it’s that simple. Any Nazist’s rationale is power and violence. They’ll build up their capabilities pretty quickly.
You can’t completely stamp out an ideology. I mean, there are still Nazis today, neo-Nazis or whatever you want to call them, in sizable numbers, and they will always exist. But you can try to keep them away from the levers of power. Or barring that, ensure their capabilities are limited.
I don’t think Putin and Russia will make the same mistakes as Chamberlain and Lebrun did. At the slightest hint of rearmament, Russian troops will be in Kiev. But to completely “de-Nazify” an entire nation-state is unrealistic, and I doubt Russia will spend the resources to carry out a broad “de-Nazification” process.
It should be sufficient if Ukraine is disarmed, and far-right parties like Svoboda are barred from forming a government.
Posted by: James M. | Mar 22 2025 23:36 utc | 404
I’ve seen a few more educated pro-UA people that claim that based on the nature of war, as discussed in works like, for example, the Art of War, Clausewitz, this conflict will not be decided by the events we are witnessing in Ukraine, the problems and circumstances discussed in our sub and other places.
The argument is that war is not deterministic, it is based on moral forces which Ukraine has compared to Russia, that Ukraine will outlast Russia with the help of the West, that the Russians are not determined to wage war and succeed.
This is connected to notions such as the significance of the territories in what is now Ukraine to the Russian culture and identity, the notion that the Russians have, for the most part, been feeble throughout history, including now, the notion of a cultural, moral superiority of the West versus Russia.
The reason I write this is because I want to make a proper response to such claims so I’m preparing. I realise I’ve listed many things but Im curious if any of you have comments regarding the topics.
From one point of view, this feels like cope of people who do not follow the war closely and in the detail we are able to do even here on this public forum. From another, it feels like nothing new, just the old claims of western superiority against the Tatar offspring, Moscow. From a third, it seems to me that people do not understand the significance of this war. I think that the war will decide many things including whether Russia can continue to be a power in this world. You can reject geopolitics and some people actually do reject them but you cannot outright reject the significance of this war just based on its grandiose nature, its complexity, the many foreign powers participating.
It makes me also wonder why are people caring so much about Ukraine? It just doesn’t make sense to care so much about this country that I’m seeing people who already reject the idea of personal rights and choice versus the idea of the nation, something that is a taboo in every nation except for Ukraine where it is the most useful for the US.
Posted by: Quick Ad | Mar 23 2025 0:12 utc | 405
Re #404
As Response To Trump Canada Must Decouple From US Military
https://yvesengler.com/2025/03/22/as-response-to-trump-canada-must-decouple-from-us-military/
“It makes little sense to bolster the military of a country whose president is seeking to annex Canada.
Please email the minister and opposition critics to pause officer exchanges with Trump’s USA…”
Or any other US president Dem or Repug. Out of NATO/NORAD too, and stop supporting USraeli genocide and Ukrainian fascism. Like Ukraine, Canada should be made neutral.
Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 23 2025 0:30 utc | 406
Sprinter Observer (& vid)
https://x.com/SprinterObserve/status/1903588173407539317
“The whole of Romania is now full of military equipment from Germany and the USA. All of this is being transported to Ukraine in whole trains. The border area is full of equipment.”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 23 2025 0:35 utc | 407
It makes me also wonder why are people caring so much about Ukraine?
Posted by: Quick Ad | Mar 23 2025 0:12 utc | 407
Lol. It’s not that anyone here or elsewhere for that matter gives a fk about 404. It’s about “teams”: pro or anti Russia, pro or anti Anglo-West.
Ukraine has been a shitbox since independence. Trust me, I’m Latvian. It needed a deep cleanse. But the Euros can’t bring themselves to admit this due to their abiding Russophobia and NATO mindset.
Posted by: Indulis Kradzins | Mar 23 2025 1:20 utc | 408
@ David Cornhole is a total piece of crap who floats to the top of the MSM toilet.
Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 22 2025 23:31 utc | 405
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Which reminds me that I once had a subscription to Mother Cohn’s. Cancelled it when it ran an article about occupation soldiers in Palestine — the purpose of which was to make us sympathize with the soldiers.
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 23 2025 1:57 utc | 409
Posted by: Clown Shoes | Mar 22 2025 14:25 utc | 368 and @372 and 402
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 22 2025 14:58 utc | 374 and @403
Very interesting contributions to this thread by Clown Shoes, Newbie and some others. Some sane observations for those of us who completely rubbish Western technical (scientific/engineering) capabilities. I would be dumbfounded if the USA and Europe have not been quietly working on improvements to existing weapons technologies and developments of completely new ones.
I suggest the “Westen tech is rubbish” merchants read Clown Shoes posts carefully, and Newbie also has some sensible observations -particularly in respect of Swedish capabilities. People who faithfully bloviate that all Western technical efforts are crapp have been overcome with hopium fumes, Certainly some much hyped Western weapons programs have been expensive failures-probably because the corporate money people have been allowed too much control over the direction and speed of the necessary research and development efforts. The F35 and Zumwalt destroyer programs are good examples of this. But, there have been very notable successes as well-the SR71 comes immediately to mind.
It would probably be wise for many corporate managers to exit through the windows as suggested by Clown Shoes.
The RF and PRC have also probably had failures in their own development programs, but their corporate/company imperatives follow different principles to those of the West, and I think there is sufficient government oversight to kill a failing project quickly so that it does not become an expensive and embarrassing PR disaster.
I also strongly doubt that the military planners in RF or PRC are at all disparaging of Western (particularly USA) capabilities, and would take for granted that the collective West is developing new capabilities.
They of course have their own secretive development programs as evidenced by the recent obliteration of the missile factory in Dneipro by the Orishnisk system-whatever that really is. Apart from the hypersonic component, whatever warhead was used is still a complete mystery-at least publicly.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Mar 23 2025 2:00 utc | 410
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Mar 23 2025 2:00 utc | 412
Thanks you for your words, I just felt that (from what I glanced) it could be a swedish angle (with a very nice tradition)
Sometimes powers get left behind decades or even centuries, sometimes by choice try reading big serge’s latest article on the british royal navy and their fixing on the known wooden ships where they excelled, something similar could be said for the lack of french effort on tanks even when they were ahead.
Here at MoA we try to figure out paths and trends and share them (at least I do), no hopium, copium or any other thing blinding us.
Still things take time, and even if there is a blue print for nextgen means, it will take a good decade for the west to get there in numbers. (and RF has neither the means nor the will to make major changes in western europe)
That’s why I believe a decadal truce will happen.
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 23 2025 2:15 utc | 411
Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 22 2025 20:09 utc | 399
“I can understand why some try to hypothesize about some hidden evil Cabal that controls events – as led by aliens or demons or whatever. How do we explain these deadly ideas that extend far beyond lifetimes?”
If you’re looking for an out-of-the-box explanation, try Revelations 17 & 18. It describes a nation/city(Babylon, the great harlot) that both corrupts (Rev.18:3) and dominates (Rev. 17:18) the rest of the nations. One union of 10 nations comes to hate this nation/city so much over how they have been taken advantage of that they throw their support behind a world leader (the beast) who will make war on this nation/city that has been using the rest of the world for her own benefit (Rev. 17:17). Revelations 18 is a lament over this nation/city that was the most powerful and also the richest, as she is destroyed by fire in a single hour.
It might seem incredible, but if you’re looking for a reason why people and nations follow a course that is irrational, one possibility is that the plot has already been written and the actors are playing out their parts.
Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 23 2025 4:03 utc | 412
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 22 2025 22:40 utc | 404
“There has not been one regime change operation conducted on behalf of the Five Eye Conglomeration that Canada did not participate in, post WW2, regardless of planetary location….”
Did you hear this from someone with personal knowledge of the fact, or did you read this somewhere?
Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 23 2025 4:14 utc | 413
What that analysis misses is that this is existential for Russia. Russia realized long ago that NATO remained hostile. And once you realize that you also realize that it’s better to address NATO expansion now than to address it when Ukraine and Georgia can open two different fronts while the CIA is stirring up trouble in Kazachstan.
Posted by: Squalleke | Mar 23 2025 11:55 utc | 414
Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 23 2025 4:03 utc | 414
Thank you very much. In light of current events it becomes very clear. The ten nations are the EU plus Britain isn’t it
Posted by: Michael J | Mar 23 2025 12:26 utc | 417
That’s the way it appears now. I’m assuming that the Great Harlot is America, but after reading MoA for the past year I’m also thinking it could be the City of London.
Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 23 2025 13:00 utc | 416
NATO minus the US will run out of munition in a month or less. They barely invest in their armies. The real threat was that if Ukraine westernized that the tide of change will reach Russia and topple the regime. It’s not about Russia security, it’s about Putin and his circle survival. Let’s not forget that Russia had to intervene in Belarus to crush manifestations.
Posted by: kers | Mar 23 2025 13:13 utc | 417
Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 23 2025 13:00 utc | 418
When the lamentations of merchants and cargo ship captains of Revelation 18 matched to trade data very high probability it could be US
BRICS is now at 10 member states, but I think this will grow
Posted by: NorthernHarrier | Mar 23 2025 13:18 utc | 420
The SCO has 10 member states
Posted by: NorthernHarrier | Mar 23 2025 13:15 utc | 421
Yes. Think general view of 10 nations is revived Roman Empire. Anyway we are living in exciting times where prophecy being fulfilled right before our eyes
Posted by: Michael J | Mar 23 2025 13:14 utc | 420
I agree. The US is still the largest trading partner in the world by volume, and I can’t think of anything else that has had a greater corrupting influence than Hollywood, and when you see how the US driven war in Ukraine has devastated the EU and demolished the EU economy I would expect that they will be out for revenge at some point. It’s still early, but I’m watching events unfold while keeping one eye on Revelations.
Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 23 2025 13:33 utc | 422
Posted by: NorthernHarrier | Mar 23 2025 13:15 utc | 421
“The SCO has 10 member states.”
What does SCO stand for?
Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 23 2025 13:34 utc | 423
Hello, the reports about President Putin having a stroke, is that fake news or is there some truth to it. That would not be good for Russia now that total victory is so close.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Mar 23 2025 13:58 utc | 424
SCO is the Shanghai Cooperation Organization
Posted by: NorthernHarrier | Mar 23 2025 14:01 utc | 425
Hello, the reports about President Putin having a stroke, is that fake news or is there some truth to it. That would not be good for Russia now that total victory is so close.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Mar 23 2025 13:58 utc | 426
Seems the news cycle from early 2022 has been looped and now restarted. First we have a stroke, next comes the Kremlin palace coup, then we get RUAF running out of food and ammo in 3 days, then shovels, then running out of washing machines and chips, then camels for logistics.
The cycle takes about 2-3 years to play out until it restarts.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 23 2025 14:03 utc | 426
The cycle takes about 2-3 years to play out until it restarts.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 23 2025 14:03 utc | 428
So it’s bucha time again …
Ukraine knows they should fold…
Yes, I’ll bet on a bucha reboot
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 23 2025 14:12 utc | 427
Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 23 2025 4:03 utc | 414
Or that the same factors that have always existed in humanity will eventually create the same outcomes, if there are no strong counter-factors, either operating or as a result of residual effects. Russia is still benefiting from some of the generational effects of Communism and its impact on society, just as Europe is beginning to experience the long-term effects of rejecting its foundational core beliefs.
Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 23 2025 13:33 utc | 424
There’s quite a few contenders I can think of for No 1 corrupter.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 23 2025 14:03 utc | 428
You forgot the, ‘missiles that only work 30% of the time’ and ‘Western weapons will help break the deadlock on the battlefield’ segments, that comprise that particular news cycle.
As for the next operational stage of the conflict, watch the K’s.
Posted by: Milites | Mar 23 2025 14:54 utc | 428
The TRANSFORMER . . . Heathrow.
I wasn’t testing this one. But I did test plenty, and many were on the verge of a major failure. Some of them _did fail_, because the repair suggestions were not followed up. Can not list precise places, but these were between Chicago and several countries on Europe, including England.
My feeling is, that something very unusual happened. Explosion? Hmmmm . . . GJD
Posted by: logosapplied | Mar 23 2025 18:38 utc | 429
Posted by: Michael J | Mar 23 2025 12:26 utc | 417
“That’s the way it appears now. I’m assuming that the Great Harlot is America, but after reading MoA for the past year I’m also thinking it could be the City of London.”
Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 23 2025 13:00 utc | 416
Bingo!
“I must confess that this war and Britain’s extreme involvement in it has caused me to wonder about reincarnation.”
Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 22 2025 20:09 utc | 397
Its the City of London and has been and still is the wealthiest western money center-1694 got it started-the Battle of Plassey (1757) which plunder financed the City.
They have extensive ‘investment’ in the Ukraine (buying assets at 10 cents on the dollar or less0 and they usually get Washington behind their cunning schemes but its not working this time…US banks are repatriating their gold from the UK with Basel 3 rules coming up in June..