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March 20, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-057
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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New American warplane was announced. F-47. $300M+ each. Posted by: Newbie | Mar 22 2025 2:04 utc | 301
In the late Soviet Union the State construction companies could never finish any project until they were awarded any new project be the State. Posted by: Rutte | Mar 22 2025 2:24 utc | 302 @ by: steel_porcupine | Mar 22 2025 1:39 utc | 301 Posted by: Suzan | Mar 22 2025 3:29 utc | 303 Trump’s carving up the corpse before it’s even cold. At this point Ukraine would be better off surrendering to Russia. Putin would be more merciful. Neutrality, hang some fascists from lamp posts, and go on with your lives. The US will turn them into a slave state. Posted by: ghost of henry vii | Mar 22 2025 3:39 utc | 304 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 22 2025 1:44 utc | 302 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 22 2025 3:47 utc | 305 Posted by: Suzan | Mar 22 2025 3:29 utc | 305 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 22 2025 3:48 utc | 306 @Observer | Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:23:00 GMT | 179
Yes they have. They said they would treat Ukraine’s membership in the EU the same as if they joined NATO.
https://www.rt.com/russia/555392-ukraine-eu-position-nato/ Posted by: James M. | Mar 22 2025 3:54 utc | 307 @Observer | Fri, 21 Mar 2025 05:23:00 GMT | 179
No they are not. Threat is made up of two elements – capabilities (military) and intent (ideology). They are inextricably linked. A “Nazified” Ukraine with zero capabilities is not a threat to Russia. Posted by: James M. | Mar 22 2025 3:58 utc | 308 Re:Engels airbase Ukraine strikes Posted by: Mr.Evil | Mar 22 2025 4:19 utc | 309 F-47? Posted by: Preki | Mar 22 2025 4:47 utc | 310 Tucker: “Do you think Russia wants to march across Europe-?” Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 22 2025 4:51 utc | 311 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 22 2025 4:51 utc | 313 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 22 2025 4:54 utc | 312 US President Donald Trump: We will declare a complete ceasefire in Ukraine very soon. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 22 2025 5:00 utc | 313 R2R: Trump Failing in Ukraine? Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 22 2025 5:13 utc | 314 @ steel_porcupine | Mar 22 2025 4:54 utc | 314 who is posting shit on wrong thread……sigh Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 22 2025 5:18 utc | 315 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 22 2025 5:00 utc | 315 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 22 2025 5:23 utc | 316 Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 22 2025 5:18 utc | 317 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 22 2025 5:25 utc | 317 Security at the expense of others is no security at all. Posted by: Mercbeast | Mar 22 2025 5:28 utc | 318 Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 22 2025 5:13 utc | 316 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 22 2025 5:39 utc | 319 CrossTalk: Diplomacy Moves Forward Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 22 2025 5:43 utc | 320 https://www.rt.com/russia/555392-ukraine-eu-position-nato/ Posted by: Indulis Kradzins | Mar 22 2025 5:52 utc | 321 @ steel_porcupine | Mar 22 2025 5:25 utc | 319 about the Carlson/Witkoff interview now back to Ukraine… Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 22 2025 6:18 utc | 322 @Passerby | Fri, 21 Mar 2025 06:30:00 GMT | 184
Russia has objected to it in the past. And the EU is, in a way, a military union. They do have the CSDP:
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/common-security-and-defence-policy_en#8780 Posted by: James M. | Mar 22 2025 6:21 utc | 323 Tucker now sucking up to Witkoff and Witkoff sucking up to Trump with cover of media bashing Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 22 2025 6:33 utc | 324 What were Simplicius’ drone conclusions after the truncate article? Posted by: Catilina | Mar 22 2025 6:38 utc | 325 Posted by: WMG | Mar 21 2025 19:08 utc | 277 Posted by: pepe | Mar 22 2025 6:39 utc | 326 Trump blessed Witkoff and even Putin prays for Trump. Who needs a messiah when the US has Trump? Posted by: Tom | Mar 22 2025 7:17 utc | 327 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 22 2025 4:51 utc | 313 (Tucker Witkoff) Posted by: The Busker | Mar 22 2025 7:20 utc | 328 Posted by: Mr.Evil | Mar 22 2025 4:19 utc | 311
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2025 7:29 utc | 329 Brussels policy is hitting me in my wallet. Posted by: Passerby | Mar 22 2025 7:42 utc | 330
Well, yes, policies change according to realities on the ground. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2025 8:08 utc | 331 Ds map update. Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 22 2025 8:18 utc | 332 @unimperator | Mar 22 2025 7:29 utc | 330 Posted by: rk | Mar 22 2025 8:20 utc | 333 New type of drone detection system.
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/77575 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2025 8:22 utc | 334 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2025 7:29 utc | 330 Posted by: Passerby | Mar 22 2025 8:44 utc | 335 AFU attack in Belgorod region failed multiple times, they have now retreated back across border to settlements east of Sumy. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2025 8:48 utc | 336 Dima reports major fighting in 3 villages directly north of Kupyansk. If so, this could indicate important RUAF gains directly north of the city. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2025 8:52 utc | 337
Russia since then has change it’s opinion. Ukraine is free to join EU but not NATO:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-says-joining-eu-is-ukraines-sovereign-right-2025-02-18/ Posted by: Ali | Mar 22 2025 9:21 utc | 338 Mr. Steven Charles Witkoff (SCW) is not a diplomat. To turned up on TV without knowing the facts is seriously embarrasing. Not that ‘Christian’ Mr. Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson (TSC) knows better but at least the gentleman does his homework prior. During the interview, SCW failed to remember Kremlin’s conditions for a sustainable and long-lasting peace agreement. It further shows that the ‘Big Elephant’ in Riyadh on February 18 and next week on the 24 is not about Ukraine. And I told you so. Posted by: pepe | Mar 22 2025 9:25 utc | 339 What’s going on? Posted by: jpc | Mar 22 2025 10:31 utc | 340 Russia since then has change it’s opinion. Ukraine is free to join EU but not NATO: Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 22 2025 10:36 utc | 341 Arestovich says the Kiev regime plans to blow up all of its own and every Russian nuclear power plant it can reach, after a certain threshold of desperation and losing is reached. Budanov has already presented this plan 1½ years ago. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2025 10:38 utc | 342 Witkoff could not even name all the 4 oblasts that Russia has formally acquired. Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 22 2025 10:39 utc | 343 RUMOD claims another AFU MiG-29 shot down, in addition to attacks on AFU airfields. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2025 12:17 utc | 344 RUMOD claims another AFU MiG-29 shot down, in addition to attacks on AFU airfields. Posted by: Newbie | Mar 22 2025 12:29 utc | 345 AFU is reportedly using all-women assault groups trying to attack villages south of Pokrovsk. Three of those groups have already been destroyed. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2025 12:30 utc | 346 The previous video also mentions a batch of ATACMS missiles, which RUAF patiently waited to be accumulated, and a bunch of French CAESAR self propelled guns and accompanying Nato officers were destroyed in the underground garage of the shopping mall in Odessa. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2025 12:38 utc | 347 Tucker: “Do you think Russia wants to march across Europe-?” Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 22 2025 12:42 utc | 348 Russia since then has change its opinion. Ukraine is free to join EU but not NATO Posted by: James M. | Mar 22 2025 12:44 utc | 349 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 22 2025 5:25 utc | 319 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 22 2025 12:47 utc | 350 The university of Columbia is in part rolling over. But also happily collaborating. A critical mass of trustees, alumni and professional school faculty are in close to full agreement with Trumpland about crushing Gaza protests with prosecutions and deportations. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 22 2025 12:55 utc | 351 Witkoff: Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 22 2025 13:02 utc | 352 unimperator Posted by: migueljose | Mar 22 2025 13:05 utc | 353 Trump only allows right wing media in the Whitehouse. Any media that is against what he is doing is refused entry. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 22 2025 13:15 utc | 354 Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 22 2025 5:18 utc | 317 Posted by: georgeg | Mar 22 2025 13:21 utc | 355 Witkoff is just another racist Zionist scumbag. Just like the last crew of Neocon exceptionalists. Same ole same old. Posted by: SO | Mar 22 2025 13:23 utc | 356 @. Sun Posted by: I forgot | Mar 22 2025 13:27 utc | 357 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogbxt_XQk5U Posted by: Tom | Mar 22 2025 13:28 utc | 358 unimperator @ 343 Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 22 2025 13:40 utc | 359 Let’s bottom line this. Has Trump ended the war yet? Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 22 2025 13:54 utc | 360 It’s highly likely that the American Military will depart from the EU in the next few months. Posted by: pepe | Mar 22 2025 13:59 utc | 361 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 22 2025 13:54 utc | 361 Posted by: pepe | Mar 22 2025 14:01 utc | 362 No exist? Not so fast Mr. LoveDonbass! Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 22 2025 14:01 utc | 363
Unfortunately I don’t think it’s that simple. Any Nazist’s rationale is power and violence. They’ll build up their capabilities pretty quickly. A Nazi-dominated future Ukraine will be a threat to all its nabours with terrorism and extreme violence in every direction, but of course mostly directed towards Russia. It will be unbearable. Posted by: Avtonom | Mar 22 2025 14:04 utc | 364 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 22 2025 12:42 utc | 349 Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 22 2025 14:20 utc | 365 @Preki | Mar 22 2025 4:47 utc | 312 Posted by: Clown Shoes | Mar 22 2025 14:25 utc | 366 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 22 2025 12:47 utc | 351 Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 22 2025 14:28 utc | 367 Posted by: Clown Shoes | Mar 22 2025 14:25 utc | 367 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 22 2025 14:37 utc | 368 bruno kahl, germanys bnd head:
peace is bad for nazis. and russia is europe, a much bigger part then germany. the biggest threat do “europe” is once again the mentality and ideology people like him foster. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 22 2025 14:46 utc | 369 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 22 2025 14:37 utc | 369 Posted by: Clown Shoes | Mar 22 2025 14:51 utc | 370 Sun Of Alabama | Mar 22 2025 12:42 utc | 349 Posted by: markw | Mar 22 2025 14:53 utc | 371 and it’s quite possible that some real solid design and engineering happened quietly in the background instead of the usual political BS we see in this area. Posted by: Newbie | Mar 22 2025 14:58 utc | 372 I happen to be aware of how british agent of influence H S Chamberlain for the better part of his life managed to have a destructive impact on Germany and I am aware of the fact that the EU was created by the US and that the US has several levers to manipulate the conditions in Germany right now Posted by: petergrfstrm | Mar 22 2025 15:00 utc | 373 bruno kahl, germanys bnd head: Posted by: Newbie | Mar 22 2025 15:05 utc | 374 Posted by: Clown Shoes | Mar 22 2025 14:51 utc | 371 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 22 2025 15:12 utc | 375 The Russians (and Chinese) have less political graft and bureaucratic bloat, making them faster and more creative. Posted by: Newbie | Mar 22 2025 15:33 utc | 376 “Zelenskiy’s former adviser, Arestovich claims that, while he was still a member of staff, GUR chief Budanov wanted to blow up all of Ukraine’s NPPs if Ukraine lost the war. The principle, he said was “we will all die, but we will take everyone with us”. Arestovich also opined that the US views Ukrainian leadership as “apes with a grenade”. BEST POST OF THE DAY AWARD GOES TO markw for the following: Posted by: Newbie | Mar 22 2025 15:33 utc | 377 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 22 2025 15:57 utc | 379 Posted by: canuck | Mar 22 2025 15:49 utc | 378 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2025 15:59 utc | 380 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2025 15:59 utc | 381 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 22 2025 16:15 utc | 381 All this talk about whether Ukraine will be a member of EU or not. Things have changed. Today, EU is steering towards being a military power. Some kind of “back-up” should NATO falter. So, if it looks like Russia turns 180 degrees, it’s really utterly consistent with their basic principles. Posted by: Avtonom | Mar 22 2025 17:04 utc | 382 !–CORN DIGS UP DIRT ON LT. COL DANNY DAVIS for Mother Jones mag–! Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 22 2025 17:05 utc | 383 Posted by: markw | Mar 22 2025 14:53 utc | 372 Posted by: Avtonom | Mar 22 2025 17:07 utc | 384
pretty much. as the saying goes: when all else fails, they take you to war. this is what the eu intends. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 22 2025 17:09 utc | 385 But you’re probably starting to notice what I wrote months ago… Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 22 2025 17:28 utc | 386 “Zelenskiy’s former adviser, Arestovich claims that, while he was still a member of staff, GUR chief Budanov wanted to blow up all of Ukraine’s NPPs if Ukraine lost the war. The principle, he said was “we will all die, but we will take everyone with us”. Arestovich also opined that the US views Ukrainian leadership as “apes with a grenade”. Posted by: Beatrice | Mar 22 2025 17:33 utc | 387 germany just Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 22 2025 17:34 utc | 388 Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 22 2025 17:28 utc | 388 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 22 2025 17:37 utc | 389 YouTube Prepares to Return to Russia! Posted by: berthold | Mar 22 2025 17:48 utc | 390 A prominent figure during the 2004 Orange Revolution, Yulia “the braid” Tymoshenko is garnering plenty of looks as the potential Interim President should Zelensky not finish his term. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 22 2025 17:52 utc | 391
https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1903498304307998823 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 22 2025 17:54 utc | 392 Trump’s plans already seem to be focused on China… Posted by: berthold | Mar 22 2025 17:55 utc | 393 unimperator Posted by: dadooronron | Mar 22 2025 18:18 utc | 394 Youtube paying fines to Russia Posted by: UWDude | Mar 22 2025 20:08 utc | 396 I must confess that this war and Britain’s extreme involvement in it has caused me to wonder about reincarnation. Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 22 2025 20:09 utc | 397 Beatrice | Mar 22 2025 17:33 utc | 389 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 22 2025 20:31 utc | 398
I was gobsmacked by that, and a search gave me more reason to be:
Posted by: dadooronron | Mar 22 2025 20:55 utc | 399 Posted by: Newbie | Mar 22 2025 14:58 utc | 374 Posted by: Clown Shoes | Mar 22 2025 21:02 utc | 400 |
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