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March 20, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-057
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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> Russian militias form in Latvia, take control of Russian population centres and then invite Russia in ‘for protection.’ Posted by: Mirkovatrogasac | Mar 21 2025 10:12 utc | 201 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 21 2025 10:09 utc | 202 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 21 2025 10:20 utc | 202 In an age of war, the closure of Heathrow airport today is very suspicious. Posted by: pepe | Mar 21 2025 10:32 utc | 203 Jeez the U.K. media monkeys – we really think we are the best at words and ideas because our PR and advertising supremos are from the same top private schools and families as the establishment mandarins who are the deepstate aristo clowns in Government, Academia and the City – they wouldn’t last a day away from their self deluded echo chambers. Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 21 2025 10:36 utc | 204 Re: Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2025 14:02 utc | 15
The AFU and/or EU are not definitely not screaming for a ceasefire. Posted by: Julian | Mar 21 2025 10:44 utc | 205 Re: Posted by: berthold | Mar 20 2025 16:13 utc | 34
0% chance this happens. Posted by: Julian | Mar 21 2025 10:54 utc | 206 Reply to 207 Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 21 2025 10:58 utc | 207 Heathrow ? Russia ? Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 21 2025 10:58 utc | 208 https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250315-macron-wants-clear-pressure-on-moscow-to-accept-ceasefire Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 21 2025 11:00 utc | 209 At this stage dose anyone sereously think that starmer or even Labour are actualy running the country (UK) Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 21 2025 11:07 utc | 210 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 21 2025 10:58 utc | 210 Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 21 2025 11:11 utc | 211 Night Tripper @ 213 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 21 2025 11:23 utc | 212 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 21 2025 9:27 utc | 199 Posted by: ghiwen | Mar 21 2025 11:37 utc | 213 https://en.mehrnews.com/news/229824/Russia-s-top-security-official-Shoigu-arrives-in-North-Korea Posted by: Hamburger | Mar 21 2025 11:42 utc | 214 Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 21 2025 11:00 utc | 211 Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 21 2025 11:52 utc | 215 Posted by: Julian | Mar 21 2025 10:54 utc | 208 Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 21 2025 12:13 utc | 216
https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/1903008110312050728 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 21 2025 12:13 utc | 217 Ukraine Weekly Update, 21st March 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-f46 Posted by: The Busker | Mar 21 2025 12:17 utc | 218
theres an easy joke to be made here about the french running away, but im not going to sink this low today. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 21 2025 12:22 utc | 219 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 21 2025 12:13 utc | 219 Posted by: Newbie | Mar 21 2025 12:28 utc | 220 EU Capital Flight Tops $300 Billion Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 21 2025 12:52 utc | 221 Kiev Blew Up Metering Station For EU-Bound Gas Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 21 2025 13:02 utc | 222 This most certainly is not just about artillery shells. Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Mar 21 2025 13:24 utc | 223 Putin stirs up the ethnic Russian population in the Baltic republics. Russian militias form in Latvia, take control of Russian population centres and then invite Russia in ‘for protection.’ Posted by: Original Newbie | Mar 21 2025 13:24 utc | 224 Night Tripper | Mar 21 2025 11:11 utc | 213 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 21 2025 13:35 utc | 225 Kiev Blew Up Metering Station For EU-Bound Gas. Putin’s order not to attack Ukraine’s energy sites remains in force, per his agreement with Trump. Posted by: rk | Mar 21 2025 13:38 utc | 226 “Heathrow are going to hold an inquiry as to ‘whether they need a back up generator’ Posted by: Newbie | Mar 21 2025 13:43 utc | 227 @225
We have no way of knowing what the two sides are discussing, but meetings on that level implicate wide ranging arrangements in the security sphere. Not just the purchase of some equipment, as the framework for those is already in place. Whatever they discuss, it will facilitate coordination and cooperation against the western empire. Posted by: Hamburger | Mar 21 2025 13:48 utc | 228 Posted by: rk | Mar 21 2025 13:38 utc | 228 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 21 2025 13:51 utc | 229 RE: “I haven’t read about this elsewhere and it sounds weird” Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 21 2025 14:06 utc | 230 might be useful to compare the “product”from this setup witn EU misinformation centres-use one to debunk and discredit the other… Posted by: Jo | Mar 21 2025 14:12 utc | 231 recent substack from Alex Krainer Posted by: Jo | Mar 21 2025 14:16 utc | 232 “He (starmer) shows signs of shifting focus away from European ‘land boots’ and offering air and sea support. Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 21 2025 14:33 utc | 233 Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 21 2025 14:33 utc | 235 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 21 2025 14:35 utc | 234
haha, the last time the mighty brave hide-behind-others british navy tried a stunt like that, their “pride” hms defender tucked its limp dick and sailed hastily away after a drunk gas-station owner shot a pewshooter in their general direction. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 21 2025 15:12 utc | 235 “Prince William sends strong message from tank near Russian border” Posted by: Engineer-John | Mar 21 2025 15:14 utc | 236 ZH has a Pepe Escobar posting up with the title Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 21 2025 15:23 utc | 237 On the upcoming negotiations, Russian news outlet NTV reports:
Another outlet citing the same interview reports:
So, the Outlaw US Empire is acting as the go-between agent since Ukrainians aren’t allowed to talk directly with Russians. Good thing the discussion is over only one specific point. Something tells me Kellogg is exaggerating expectations to try and set-up Russia as the actor impeding progress when the truth lies elsewhere. If the entire process is going to be done in this manner, then it will last well into 2026. Typepad’s blocking comments because of its links. I cited two Russian sources in this report:
Another outlet citing the same interview reports:
So, the Outlaw US Empire is acting as the go-between agent since Ukrainians aren’t allowed to talk directly with Russians. Good thing the discussion is over only one specific point. Something tells me Kellogg is exaggerating expectations to try and set-up Russia as the actor impeding progress when the truth lies elsewhere. If the entire process is going to be done in this manner, then it will last well into 2026. Posted by: rk | Mar 21 2025 13:38 utc | 228 Posted by: scc | Mar 21 2025 15:50 utc | 240 It seems the deep state is playing Trump (he himself may have honest intentions). Using him to bait Russia, lull it into complacence and pull the rug when the West is strong again. Posted by: CZAR | Mar 21 2025 15:50 utc | 241 So… what is this?
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/147247 Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 21 2025 16:04 utc | 242 From BBC
Is King Chuck going to lead the anti-Russia Crusade? Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 21 2025 16:10 utc | 243 Meanwhile, the gas flowing out from the other end of the pipe will just get a higher price, as the supply chain of LNG sucks it back to Europe for higher prices. Posted by: rk | Mar 21 2025 16:24 utc | 244 If Trump doesn’t reel in the little Neo-Nazi dictator Zelensky – Russia will have to resume destroying Ukrainian energy stations. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 21 2025 16:28 utc | 245 HERMIUS | Mar 21 2025 14:33 utc | 235 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 21 2025 16:37 utc | 246 https://x.com/RT_com/status/1902883654768136492 Posted by: saner | Mar 21 2025 16:54 utc | 247 Military plans emerging from the 12-pages long A4 double-sided watermarked ‘classified’ contract at Northwood headquarters. Drawn up plans include land, sea and air operations in Ukraine to ensure compliance with the post-conflict peace deal. Up to 30,000 troops to be deployed from Odesa all the way anticlockwise to Pulemets on the border with Poland. UK Air Force fighter jets and France to patrol Ukrainian airspace, taking off from Polish territory. Air cover to be provided by NATO countries on a rotating basis. Posted by: pepe | Mar 21 2025 17:01 utc | 248 It’s quite possible the fire was an accident. A country doesn’t go from first world to third world overnight, it’s a gradual process. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 21 2025 17:12 utc | 249 The “operation Pipe” traumatized the banderist and their wastern backers apparently. Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 21 2025 17:15 utc | 250 I’m workshopping this train of thought. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 21 2025 17:22 utc | 251 This UK govenment are not fit for purpose, Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 21 2025 17:35 utc | 252 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 21 2025 17:12 utc | 251 Posted by: saner | Mar 21 2025 17:39 utc | 253 If Trump doesn’t reel in the little Neo-Nazi dictator Zelensky – Russia will have to resume destroying Ukrainian energy stations. Posted by: rk | Mar 21 2025 17:39 utc | 254 Posted by: Julian | Mar 21 2025 10:44 utc | 207 Posted by: berthold | Mar 21 2025 17:40 utc | 255 they are in the process of completely senselessly over-indebting themselves Posted by: too scents | Mar 21 2025 17:46 utc | 256 Lots of media asking, was this Russia ? Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 21 2025 17:53 utc | 257 UK rag The Telegraph has a piece whereby Zelensky is claiming the Russians blow up their own gas pipeline. The lies never end.
Posted by: Jax | Mar 21 2025 17:56 utc | 258 🇫🇷Macron – announced another summit in support of Ukraine involving Germany, France, Poland , Canada and the UK “to prevent Russian incursions”: Posted by: Jo | Mar 21 2025 18:02 utc | 259 Trump never had a chance at getting peace because America is designed economically for constant war. Posted by: Newbie | Mar 21 2025 18:06 utc | 260 WH says that Russia and America agree that Iran doesn’t pose an immediate nuclear threat. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 21 2025 18:09 utc | 261 I know you can’t do that because there are no such videos. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 21 2025 18:11 utc | 262 People liveing near to this heathrow incedent Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 21 2025 18:11 utc | 263 People liveing near to this heathrow incedent Posted by: Newbie | Mar 21 2025 18:15 utc | 264 People liveing near to this heathrow incedent Posted by: berthold | Mar 21 2025 18:22 utc | 265 Off topic but since this morning Strategic Culture has been shutdown in Belgium for illegal content… Posted by: scc | Mar 21 2025 18:25 utc | 266 Berthold @ 267 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 21 2025 18:26 utc | 267 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 21 2025 10:20 utc | 204
In this UK at least, Russophiba has always been used by the Right as a way to increase defence spending. What is surprising though is that it has being now used wholeheartedly by the mainstream left. I can’t help but feel it is being used by the left to divert attention from how apparent it is now the masses are beginning to wake up to the failures of their policies and how it is affecting them. Posted by: PacMan | Mar 21 2025 18:35 utc | 268 So Posted by: Newbie | Mar 21 2025 18:37 utc | 269 All those statements from Napoleon, Churchill and von der liar with boots on the ground or navy/air patrols suppose there will be first a truce or ceasefire. Posted by: scc | Mar 21 2025 18:38 utc | 270 The Vernal Equinox brings stronger and brighter daylight to the Northern Hemisphere, except that a deeply opaque shadow remains over Yuzhmash, impenetrable to any satellite imagery. The place seems to have been in a state of permanent eclipse for four months, a most peculiar astronomical phenomenon… Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 21 2025 18:42 utc | 271 Pascal Lottaz (“Neutrality Studies”) recently talked with Nicolai Petro ( https://www.npetro.net/ ) in 2 videos (in total 1 hour and 6 minutes: Posted by: WMG | Mar 21 2025 18:46 utc | 272 Zelensky talks to Macron as he does to another employee of Rotschild Posted by: Tom | Mar 21 2025 18:53 utc | 273 In the dailymail they mentioned 106.2% already on an old report Posted by: saner | Mar 21 2025 18:55 utc | 274 (I repost my previous post in this thread with a few corrections) Posted by: WMG | Mar 21 2025 19:08 utc | 275 Should be 6.2% above safety margin. Posted by: Newbie | Mar 21 2025 19:14 utc | 276 10 bucks says the Brits blame the Russkies for the Heathrow fire. Predictable as ever. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 21 2025 19:28 utc | 277 berthold@267…..atmospheric vapour also can play a part in transformer transfiguration…..have seen night 3am turned to daylight when a small Volkswagen sized one blew up near where we were staying…..lost power for over 100 miles around…..thinking London fog… Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 21 2025 19:29 utc | 278 @ Posted by: PacMan | Mar 21 2025 18:35 utc | 270 Posted by: fnord | Mar 21 2025 19:29 utc | 279 Posted by: Engineer-John | Mar 21 2025 15:14 utc | 238 Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 21 2025 19:33 utc | 280 General Rasputitsa is the only one calling and enforcing any ceasefire. He’ll decide when it ends. The rest is nothing but a rerun episode of Who Wants To Be Duped? Posted by: AverageJoe | Mar 21 2025 19:34 utc | 281 Doctor Eleven@279…..if a wee fire cracker at, Heathrow was it, is the best Russia can do, the Brits have nothing to fear and the 100 year war will be over before we know it…… Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 21 2025 19:46 utc | 282 Posted by: Newbie | Mar 21 2025 18:15 utc | 266 Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 21 2025 20:01 utc | 283 In an age of war, the closure of Heathrow airport today is very suspicious. Posted by: Tichy | Mar 21 2025 20:07 utc | 284 Contradictory developments: Is the peace treaty coming sooner than expected after all? Posted by: xblob | Mar 21 2025 20:38 utc | 285 Glenn Diesen speaks with Nikolai Petro: Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 21 2025 20:53 utc | 286 Trump prefers to always be on offense. The Chinese and Russians must drive him nuts. Posted by: rk | Mar 21 2025 21:09 utc | 287
is putin still shooting down his own drones? Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 21 2025 21:16 utc | 288 Posted by: fnord | Mar 21 2025 19:29 utc | 281
A bit of a strange comment. Posted by: PacMan | Mar 21 2025 21:38 utc | 289
They aren’t easy to find for the first 3 years of the war. They are non existent for that period. Only after the USA forced some 30 day ceasefire conditions by Ukraine and then said “the ball is now in Russia’s court” did the EU vassal state leaders begin repeating the same lines about it being up to Russia now to show they want peace. They know Russia won’t accept the terms Ukraine and the USA have come up with so it becomes a way to try and get the Global Soth to follow western sanctions on Russia. “Russia doesn’t want peace”. Posted by: Cheney | Mar 21 2025 21:44 utc | 290 “they’re having power failures at major airports which can’t quickly be fixed.” Posted by: Tom Paine | Mar 21 2025 21:46 utc | 291
I forgot the full context when replying. I think an alternative explanation to EU making similar “ball is in Russia’s court” calls for a ceasefire due to Ukrainian battlefield problems is that they are trying to make it appear to the Global South that Russia does not want peace. “Ukraine wants peace, Russia does not”. Trying to get the Global South on Ukraine’s side by making a ceasefire agreement that Russia finds unsatisfactory. Posted by: Cheney | Mar 21 2025 21:55 utc | 292 Posted by: Cheney | Mar 21 2025 21:55 utc | 294 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 21 2025 22:45 utc | 293 Trying to get the Global South on Ukraine’s side by making a ceasefire agreement that Russia finds unsatisfactory. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 21 2025 23:59 utc | 294 US President Donald Trump: We will declare a complete ceasefire in Ukraine very soon. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 22 2025 0:16 utc | 295 New American warplane was announced. F-47. $300M+ each. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 22 2025 0:34 utc | 296 US, UK and EU leaders are correct the ball is in Russia court, and Russia is going to drive the ball right over the goal line… Posted by: tobias cole | Mar 22 2025 1:00 utc | 297 But the Europeans are assuming that “Russia doesn’t dare to do it anyway.” Posted by: UWDude | Mar 22 2025 1:26 utc | 298 War is won on the battlefield & in the trenches, not in tomorrow’s above-the-fold headline in The Economist or the nytimes. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 22 2025 1:39 utc | 299 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 22 2025 1:39 utc | 301 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 22 2025 1:44 utc | 300 |
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