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March 20, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-057
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Posted by: Al Balog | Mar 20 2025 14:01 utc | 14 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 20 2025 21:57 utc | 102 Aside from the hot air coming out of DC and London and Kieve…….there is really no realistic chance of a ceasfire at this time…….. Posted by: tobias cole | Mar 20 2025 22:02 utc | 103 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 20 2025 21:48 utc | 101 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 20 2025 22:04 utc | 104
Here’s a suggestion; think of it as a kind of conveyor or escalator of stupidity in which there is no need to do anything, even move one’s feet, e.g., and a person will be more stupid tomorrow than they are today. Posted by: NH | Mar 20 2025 22:13 utc | 106 Russia needs a war-time President now. Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 20 2025 22:13 utc | 107 DS map update just dropped: Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 20 2025 22:23 utc | 108 Away from discussion about West Country pubs, more confirmation of strikes on Odessa:
https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/odesskaya/1742508932-rosiyani-masovano-atakuvali-udarnimi-dronami-odesu-ta-rayon-shcho-vidomo (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 20 2025 22:27 utc | 109 Time is on the side of the saner diplomat, the one less inclined to act in haste, the one permitting matters to take the time issues need to work their way forward. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 20 2025 22:35 utc | 110 Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 20 2025 22:23 utc | 108 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 20 2025 22:36 utc | 111
Right now? The last I heard he was this close to conquering the whole Europe. Call us after he does that,then we’ll talk. Posted by: Rutte | Mar 20 2025 22:42 utc | 112 Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 20 2025 22:13 utc | 107 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 20 2025 22:44 utc | 113 Russia’s negotiating duo have been named–Generals Karasin and Beseda. RT reports:
Other articles provided to me confirm Budanov’s fear. The picture of him at the above linked article inspires confidence for me. Karasin is a career diplomat and is currently head of the Federation Council Committee on International Affairs. Sir gets onboard a submarine. Tom and Harry accompany Sir. Posted by: MiGao | Mar 20 2025 23:10 utc | 115 Lord Skidelsky is very vocal lately … Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 20 2025 23:20 utc | 116 The more DJT speaks w/ VVP, the more will he learn realities about Project Ukraine that we subscribe to and know like the back of our hands. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 20 2025 23:23 utc | 117 RE: “Your commentary often reads like it was written by a child.” Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 20 2025 23:29 utc | 118 Both trump US and starmer UK have got the same monkey riding on their backs…. Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 20 2025 23:30 utc | 119 Brian Berletic’s latest Masterclass Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 20 2025 23:41 utc | 120 Putin looking like the “naive” politician statesman he is: Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 20 2025 23:50 utc | 121 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 20 2025 23:23 utc | 117 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 20 2025 23:51 utc | 122 Excellent analysis, as usual, from Brian Berletic at New Atlas on the US’s strategy/trap re Ukraine/Russia: Posted by: horseguards | Mar 20 2025 23:52 utc | 123 Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 20 2025 23:29 utc | 118 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 20 2025 23:57 utc | 124 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 20 2025 13:09 utc | 7 Posted by: horseguards | Mar 20 2025 23:59 utc | 125 RE: “Right now? The last I heard he was this close to conquering the whole Europe. Call us after he does that,then we’ll talk.” Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 21 2025 0:05 utc | 126 Posted by: horseguards | Mar 20 2025 23:52 utc | 123 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 21 2025 0:05 utc | 127 I believe it was in one of Karlof1’s prolific articles regarding an address by VVP to the business community re sanctions. Posted by: Suresh | Mar 21 2025 0:05 utc | 128 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 20 2025 14:17 utc | 19 Posted by: horseguards | Mar 21 2025 0:07 utc | 129
Must be a dogfight now within CIPSO for the final crumbs of the USAID funds. Posted by: Rutte | Mar 21 2025 0:07 utc | 130 It is obvious why the UK, France and Denmark are in a double-quick hurry to get this Minsk 3 unconditional ceasefire declared: so that they can hustle their Reassurance Forces into position in Ukraine to serve as tripwire for Mi6-devised False Flag ops to blame on Russia. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 21 2025 0:08 utc | 131 Posted by: Suresh | Mar 21 2025 0:05 utc | 128 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 21 2025 0:09 utc | 132 RE: “Which war are you fighting?” Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 21 2025 0:10 utc | 133 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2025 14:33 utc | 24 Posted by: horseguards | Mar 21 2025 0:12 utc | 134
Why should he? Posted by: Rutte | Mar 21 2025 0:16 utc | 135 Posted by: Martina | Mar 20 2025 15:26 utc | 28 Posted by: horseguards | Mar 21 2025 0:16 utc | 136 Most failed to see that the fact that the US is talking to Russia is a Win. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 21 2025 0:20 utc | 137 RE: Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 21 2025 0:25 utc | 138 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 20 2025 16:19 utc | 35 Posted by: horseguards | Mar 21 2025 0:25 utc | 139 Posted by: berthold | Mar 20 2025 16:31 utc | 38 Posted by: horseguards | Mar 21 2025 0:29 utc | 140 Posted by: Suresh | Mar 21 2025 0:05 utc | 128 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 21 2025 0:32 utc | 141 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 20 2025 17:42 utc | 61 Posted by: horseguards | Mar 21 2025 0:47 utc | 142 When DJT crossed the Rubicon and deigned to re-engage w/ Russia after three long years of the Collective Biden admin refusing to do so, his reengagement re-exposed once again the frailties and inequities inherent in the relationship between the U.S. and Russia, exemplified especially in the U.S.’s fig-leaf efforts currently to mediate a war in which it is one of two principle belligerents. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 21 2025 0:49 utc | 143 Posted by: horseguards | Mar 21 2025 0:47 utc | 142 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 21 2025 0:53 utc | 144 Posts re “resetting” U$ Russian relations remind me of this awkward breakfast. Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 21 2025 0:54 utc | 145 Resumption of US manned spy plane flights over black sea. Bold! Whats really important is the telephone call where “nuances” were discussed and it was agreed to consider further “nuances”. Posted by: Ralpheaterofcheese | Mar 21 2025 0:58 utc | 146 Suresh | Mar 21 2025 0:05 utc | 128– Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 20 2025 21:12 utc | 95 Posted by: horseguards | Mar 21 2025 1:04 utc | 148 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 21 2025 0:08 utc | 131 Posted by: horseguards | Mar 21 2025 1:27 utc | 149 I posted this on the last Ukraine thread, but apparently it needs to be posted again:
That’s it, the war will end with those conditions, as of now. De-nazification follows from demilitarization. There’s been no formal stated policy on Odessa, or other parts of Ukraine becoming part of Russia. This is why territorial gains are not a necessary condition for Russian victory, nor is an occupation of Kiev. They could be sufficient conditions, but not necessary ones. Posted by: James M. | Mar 21 2025 1:28 utc | 150 It is clear we have not been told what is really going on.. Posted by: snake | Mar 21 2025 1:37 utc | 151 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 21 2025 0:49 utc | 143 Posted by: horseguards | Mar 21 2025 1:39 utc | 152 RE: An attack on Russia is now possible.. likely even..they have slowed Russia down enough, learned enough about Russia’s defenses, and hypnotized Russian leadership into reluctance to act for fear acting will jeopardize a potential peace deal. Rothschild fueled Blackrock Nukes can now weave their way into down town Russia. I feel it coming.. Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 21 2025 1:53 utc | 153 Posted by: snake | Mar 21 2025 1:37 utc | 151 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 21 2025 1:54 utc | 154 Could you replace the Word Obama with the Word Trump ? Posted by: Samu | Mar 21 2025 1:58 utc | 155 Seems things are heading in a very bad direction for eu. Posted by: Newbie | Mar 21 2025 1:58 utc | 156
Correct me if I’m wrong, but that metering station has already been shut down for months, the pipeline was already damaged (same pipeline that Russian commandos cut their way out of in a successful surprise attack) and all of that infrastructure is never going to be reactivated for political and strategic reasons. If Russia runs any future pipelines to Europe … it will be via Turkey not Ukraine. Posted by: Tel | Mar 21 2025 2:14 utc | 157
That’s how they should have played it … but rewriting history years after the fact won’t work … there were columns of Russian tanks charging straight for Kyiv and a clear threat to the nation as a whole. With the benefits of hindsight this really didn’t help Russia’s cause … but anyhow, now such an overreaction will be remembered as proof of Russian aggression. Posted by: Tel | Mar 21 2025 2:24 utc | 158 Pro-Ukraine: “We have lulled the great enemy into a false sense of security by handing them so many victories!” Posted by: MaryPeck | Mar 21 2025 2:27 utc | 159 Posted by: Tel | Mar 21 2025 2:14 utc | 157 Posted by: snake | Mar 21 2025 2:35 utc | 160 Posted by: Newbie | Mar 21 2025 1:58 utc | 156 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 21 2025 2:41 utc | 161 The bloc lacks an Alph. Posted by: Newbie | Mar 21 2025 2:51 utc | 162 Weder Frankreich noch England können im Eskalationsfall erfolgreich ihre Atomwaffen benutzen. Putin wird rechtzeitig vorher (“rechtzeitig” sind in dem Fall weniger als 30 Minuten) die Startpositionen mit Oreschniks belegen. (Das ist u.a. ein Grund, warum Russland damit derzeitig so zurückhaltend ist, die laufenden Produktionen werden für ernste Probleme zurückgehalten). Es sind noch keine 300 fertig, die braucht Russland als Sicherheitsreserve. Deswegen bislang nur 1 zur Demonstration. Posted by: smartfox | Mar 21 2025 3:09 utc | 163 RE: “Breaking a ceasefire over such a pointless target could only be pure bloody minded behaviour on the part of Zelensky … he achieves nothing, trashes what’s left of his own reputation, and simply gets Trump offside yet again. He is cruising for another dose of supply cutoff.” Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 21 2025 3:10 utc | 164 Neither France nor England can successfully use their nuclear weapons in the event of escalation. Putin will fill the launch positions with Oreshniks well in advance (“well in advance” in this case means less than 30 minutes). (This is one reason, among other things, why Russia is currently so reluctant to do so; current production is being held back for serious problems.) Fewer than 300 are ready yet; Russia needs them as a safety reserve. Therefore, only one has been built so far for demonstration purposes. Posted by: smartfox | Mar 21 2025 3:10 utc | 165 Ukraine is laughing at the foolish, lulled Russia: Posted by: MiniMO | Mar 21 2025 3:18 utc | 166 All of the people who think that things are not happening fast enough. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 21 2025 3:21 utc | 167 Posted by: MiniMO | Mar 21 2025 3:18 utc | 166 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 21 2025 3:23 utc | 168 Another reason Russia should not deploy Oeshnik casually is that the more it does, the more data the West can gather on it to create its own and/or design a defense. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 21 2025 3:26 utc | 169 “The bloc lacks an Alph.” Posted by: Ralpheaterofcheese | Mar 21 2025 3:40 utc | 170 All of the people who think that things are not happening fast enough. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 21 2025 4:06 utc | 171 Posted by: Suresh | Mar 21 2025 0:05 utc | 128 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 21 2025 4:09 utc | 172 Trump is in hour 1,700 of 24 hours to end the war. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 21 2025 4:32 utc | 173 Primary rule of service, “under promise, over deliver” Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 21 2025 4:35 utc | 174
It is not a matter of who CIPSO guys quote, it’s a matter of non sigitur that they pull out of their asses after any quote. It is always like “Putin said that the sky is blue. He betrayed Russia!” Posted by: Rutte | Mar 21 2025 4:41 utc | 175 @ Rutte | Mar 21 2025 4:41 utc | 175 Posted by: boneless | Mar 21 2025 4:51 utc | 176
Have you seen how any police department in the USA is equipped now? Have you seen a SWAT team in some Bumfuk, Alabama charging? Posted by: Rutte | Mar 21 2025 4:57 utc | 177 Ukraine is back to violating the energy ceasefire. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 21 2025 4:58 utc | 178 From Xinhuanet
I haven’t read about this elsewhere and it sounds weird Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 21 2025 5:47 utc | 179 HREF=”https://www.foxnews.com/politics/clinton-goofs-on-russian-translation-tells-diplomat-she-wants-to-overcharge-ties”>Clinton Goofs on Russian Translation, Tells Diplomat She Wants to ‘Overcharge’ Ties Posted by: scanalyse | Mar 21 2025 5:53 utc | 180 Corrected link: Posted by: scanalyse | Mar 21 2025 5:58 utc | 181 Wolff & Hudson Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 21 2025 6:08 utc | 182 1. Ukraine must become a neutral country. No joining NATO, or even the EU. It should have a stated policy of permanent neutrality, something similar to what Turkmenistan has. The Turkmenistan model is acceptable to Russia.
Russia does not object to Ukraine joining the EU, as it is not a military alliance. So this might change if the European Union becomes a military union, too.
Posted by: Passerby | Mar 21 2025 6:30 utc | 183 Odessa: Posted by: unimperator | Mar 21 2025 6:36 utc | 184 @ unimperator | Mar 21 2025 6:36 utc | 185 with the reporting of “Energy objects struck, partially de-energizing the city” of Odessa Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 21 2025 6:50 utc | 185 Posted by: Passerby | Mar 21 2025 6:30 utc | 184 Posted by: Mario | Mar 21 2025 7:29 utc | 186 Geraniums attack AFU cargo trains in Kirovograd, few hundred kilometers west of Dnepropetrovsk. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 21 2025 7:49 utc | 187 Heathrow airport completly closed down for a day today, with major delays for the following days expected. Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 21 2025 8:19 utc | 188 Posted by: Ralpheaterofcheese | Mar 21 2025 3:40 utc | 170 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 21 2025 8:31 utc | 189 In a briefing on March 19, the Russian Ministry of Defense revealed that 68,630 Ukrainian troops had been naturalized since the start of the battle in the region. (southfront) Posted by: Passerby | Mar 21 2025 8:33 utc | 190 Guess VVP and co, have had enough of the perfidious usual suspect, and the French ZionKing for this century. btw we haven’t seen much of stinky Pepe Le pew, BHL recently eh! Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 21 2025 8:37 utc | 191 Ukrainian think tank says Ukrainian EU membership could cost EU and its existing member states a whopping €2.4 trillion and cause other sorts of fatal risks for the bloc. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 21 2025 8:54 utc | 192 @194 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 21 2025 8:54 utc | 193 Correct me if I’m wrong, but that metering station has already been shut down for months, the pipeline was already damaged (same pipeline that Russian commandos cut their way out of in a successful surprise attack) and all of that infrastructure is never going to be reactivated for political and strategic reasons. If Russia runs any future pipelines to Europe … it will be via Turkey not Ukraine. Posted by: berthold | Mar 21 2025 9:11 utc | 194 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2025 16:28 utc | 37
ONLY rumours and fakes from shitty sources !!! — also Mr. Rogov is a shitty source Posted by: ghiwen | Mar 21 2025 9:12 utc | 195 The limited ceasefire doesn’t literally matter on the battlefield—it only gives prognosticators & chatteratti something to chew over. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 21 2025 9:19 utc | 196 Posted by: ghiwen | Mar 21 2025 9:12 utc | 197 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 21 2025 9:27 utc | 197 Missile and bomb strikes in Kramatorsk, HQ and deployment points hit. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 21 2025 10:08 utc | 198 “RUAF may have successfully landed infantry group in SW part of Grafovka, but with large losses of AFV type vehicles.” Posted by: unimperator | Mar 21 2025 10:09 utc | 199 For Richard Kemp writing in the Daily Telegraph, it is super-scary: “Imagine a new scenario. Having licked his wounds from Ukraine, Putin stirs up the ethnic Russian population in the Baltic republics. Russian militias form in Latvia, take control of Russian population centres and then invite Russia in ‘for protection.’ What is NATO’s response? Even if we had sufficient troops and munitions to put up a fight, are we prepared to see British boys die for Riga? And if we won’t fight for Latvia, will we really fight for Poland or Romania if their turn comes? And does anyone seriously believe that our current crop of political leaders will send their young men and women into battle in some far-flung part of Eastern Europe against an enemy that is capable of inflicting tens of thousands of casualties on them?” Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 21 2025 10:09 utc | 200 |
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