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March 20, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-057
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Great front report by Marat Khairullin: Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 20 2025 12:10 utc | 1 Latest Tass update https://tass.com/politics/1931399 Posted by: Newbie | Mar 20 2025 12:15 utc | 2 Reading elsewhere that if Ukraine agree to surrender the 4 oblasts (unlikely under Zelensky) then Russia will not press for Odessa. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 20 2025 12:23 utc | 3 https://en.topcor.ru/57753-oligarhi-ukrainy-zhelajut-smestit-zelenskogo-i-pytajutsja-naladit-svjaz-s-moskvoj.html Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 20 2025 12:27 utc | 4 As Europe Rearms, Canada Has What It Needs… Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 20 2025 12:42 utc | 5 Reading elsewhere that if Ukraine agree to surrender the 4 oblasts (unlikely under Zelensky) then Russia will not press for Odessa. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 20 2025 12:56 utc | 6 Zelensky has arrived in Brussels, ready to debrief the EU on his phone call w/ DJT, and he is already hugging the gang, including Norwegian PM Jonas Gahr Støre (as seen in a photo in The Guardian.) Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 20 2025 13:09 utc | 7
The prospect that America will grab everything for nothing appeared only now. That is why they are worried now like never before. Posted by: Rutte | Mar 20 2025 13:13 utc | 8 Anybody believe this? If so, where have the oligarchs been for 3 years? Posted by: Jmaas | Mar 20 2025 13:14 utc | 9 Marat Khairullin just published an interesting overview of the frontline, how it should move in 2025, from his perspective. Posted by: Richard L | Mar 20 2025 13:25 utc | 10 UPDATE. The ceasefire is exploding. Like with really BIG kabooooms.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 20 2025 13:40 utc | 11 FRANCE 24 English with 3.26M subscribers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-InwqWhdN8 Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 20 2025 13:42 utc | 12 Interesting piece of data from Marat Khairulling. Ukraine lost 1/3 of its Nato provided air defense equipment in the first four days of the Kursk invasion. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2025 13:47 utc | 13 Reading elsewhere that if Ukraine agree to surrender the 4 oblasts (unlikely under Zelensky) then Russia will not press for Odessa. Posted by: Al Balog | Mar 20 2025 14:01 utc | 14 Marat Khairullin is saying that Zaporozhye might be isolated against the river, with the bridges destroyed between the city and the western shore. Dnepropetrovsk may end up blockaded and isolated from the rest of east Ukraine. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2025 14:02 utc | 15 Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 20 2025 13:40 utc | 11 Posted by: Al Balog | Mar 20 2025 14:07 utc | 16 Ukraine is hammering Engels airbase and another fuel depot. Huge explosions and mushroom clouds. Meanwhile Russia damages another electricity transformer or something in the Ukraine. Good Lord. If I were Ukraine, I wouldn’t want a ceasefire either. They must be exhausting Russia’s air defenses. Posted by: bored | Mar 20 2025 14:12 utc | 18 Melaleuca@11…..looks like Zelinski found Putin’s weakness……Trump… Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 20 2025 14:17 utc | 19 Hope that Russia relays this stuff to Trump & his team. Zelenskyy should just retire, then again, I think it’s the Rada that has the legal legitimacy IICR. Posted by: Al Balog | Mar 20 2025 14:20 utc | 20
while russia keeps on hammering “the ukraine” and its nato-sponsored weapons with huge explosions and mushroom-clouds, limp-dick eu/uk can only talk big and use some sanctions that undermine their own interests. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 20 2025 14:26 utc | 21 “The role Canada would play in such an alliance is starting to take shape…” Posted by: Tom Paine | Mar 20 2025 14:29 utc | 22 @Tom Paine #22. Yes and globalist bankster Mark ‘Carnage’ Carney looks to be just the right man for the job… Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 20 2025 14:33 utc | 23 I hear the German steel industry continues doing very poorly. Even the assumed massive EU arming package may not save it. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2025 14:33 utc | 24 The Engels air base attack says Trump is no more in control than he was first term. A disloyal military is a real problem. Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 20 2025 14:37 utc | 25 Putin Aide Reveals Date of Next Russia-US Talks in Riyadh Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 20 2025 14:44 utc | 26 Ukraine unable to maintain its ceasefire for even 48 hours. IMO: Posted by: Tom Paine | Mar 20 2025 14:51 utc | 27 … They need Odessa, … Posted by: Martina | Mar 20 2025 15:26 utc | 28 Posted by: Martina | Mar 20 2025 15:26 utc | 28 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2025 15:47 utc | 29 @Tom Paine #22. Yes and globalist bankster Mark ‘Carnage’ Carney looks to be just the right man for the job… Posted by: Original Newbie | Mar 20 2025 15:53 utc | 30 @ oldhippie | Mar 20 2025 14:37 utc | 25 Posted by: I forgot | Mar 20 2025 15:57 utc | 31 @ oldhippie | Mar 20 2025 14:37 utc | 25 Posted by: james | Mar 20 2025 16:06 utc | 32 Donald signs executive orders stopping programs designed and funded by laws passed by Congress, leading to failures in court any first-year law student could’ve told him and Elon. But he doesn’t sign executive orders halting activities more easily recognized to fall within the executive purview. But, he’s really, really trying guys! Hahaha. Posted by: I forgot | Mar 20 2025 16:11 utc | 33 RT 17.00 Uhr Posted by: berthold | Mar 20 2025 16:13 utc | 34 According to The Spectator, the UK’s oldest weekly magazine, during THE PHONECALL w/ DJT “the Russian leader didn’t appear to give much away: a step towards a sort-of ceasefire, a prisoner swap and a few other bits and bobs.” The article notes, however, that the preferred venue for the bilateral talks between U.S. and Russia or between U.S. and Ukraine is a site other than Old Europe—Paris, London & Brussels are off the table: it’s Riyadh, Jeddah or Istanbul. The location of the talks, therefore, has canted global focus away from the continent and closer to West Asia. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 20 2025 16:19 utc | 35 I read about Himars and Jdams being used against Russian soldiers. Than I think about the garbage Trump is talking. No way is President Putin going to stop until Russia achieves all of their goals. We in the US are ruled by trash. Posted by: SO | Mar 20 2025 16:25 utc | 36 Posted by: SO | Mar 20 2025 16:25 utc | 36 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2025 16:28 utc | 37 I hear the German steel industry continues doing very poorly. Even the assumed massive EU arming package may not save it. Posted by: berthold | Mar 20 2025 16:31 utc | 38 “The role Canada would play in such an alliance is starting to take shape…” Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 20 2025 16:35 utc | 40 Posted by: berthold | Mar 20 2025 16:31 utc | 38 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2025 16:35 utc | 41 How do the Su-35 radars compare to F-16 radars? They must have better and long range radar, seeing the F-16, even low flying one, coming from much further away. Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 20 2025 16:38 utc | 42 The British empire’s military plans almost black-inked [12-pages long A4 double-sided formatted], to be watermarked soon by Sir Keir Starmer [A top favourite baron from the City of London] and consequently; ought to be approved by the House of Lords. Posted by: pepe | Mar 20 2025 16:43 utc | 43 My assumption is that the trillion euro (why is it trillion euros, by the way? That by itself sounds PR/’hyperbolic’ number) will raise the costs in steel and arms industry supply chains to the point that the Armament program (which is not yet even clear on its objectives) will not achieve its intended levels or objectives. Posted by: berthold | Mar 20 2025 16:46 utc | 44 No way is President Putin going to stop until Russia achieves all of their goals. We in the US are ruled by trash. Posted by: acementhead | Mar 20 2025 16:46 utc | 45 U.S., meet the RoW-! Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 20 2025 16:46 utc | 46 We in the US are ruled by trash. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 20 2025 16:56 utc | 47 @Berthold@38 The core problem with the German steel industry is that it requires a lot of energy and currently energy is expensive in Germany. If the Germans are determined to run their country on green energy windmills and liquid natural gas brought in by ship, they they should be shifting away from industries that need a lot of energy. Posted by: Jmaas | Mar 20 2025 17:01 utc | 49 During a presser, Zelensky fielded a phone call from Macron but quickly had to let him know that he would call him back, since he was talking w/ journalists. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 20 2025 17:05 utc | 50 Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 20 2025 14:37 utc | 25 If the military doesn’t have to take orders, then the US is a militaristic state. Legally off course the thing about armies is that they do take orders from higher ups in the chain of command (barring revolutions.) And the US president is at the top of the chain of command and if he wants he can make his will known by removing the people who defy him. It is his duty to restore control of the military to the civilians. But the thing is, Trump put in Hegseth, who is instead pursuing a program of purging minorities and women, even the simple mention of them, heedless of how that affects the rank and file. And Hegseth stands for untrammeled power of soldiers to kill. Trump is not against militarism, he wants a more vicious military, enemies to the mass of the population, especially the so-called woke part (and there are a lot of people who don’t hold at all with the caricature version of woke in scare articles by right-wing idpol media, but most definitely do hold with some aspects…that’s why Trump only won the popular vote by, what, 1.5%?) Soldiers who can slaughter people at will are Big Government and militarism at its biggest and most militaristic. Posted by: steven t johnson | Mar 20 2025 17:14 utc | 51 The core problem with the German steel industry is that it requires a lot of energy and currently energy is expensive in Germany. If the Germans are determined to run their country on green energy windmills and liquid natural gas brought in by ship, they they should be shifting away from industries that need a lot of energy. Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 20 2025 17:16 utc | 52 On the subject of Trump’s takeover of nuclear power plants Posted by: berthold | Mar 20 2025 17:22 utc | 53 House Negro David Lammy has spoken Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 20 2025 17:22 utc | 54 Acementhead@1646 Vernal Equinox Posted by: aristodemos | Mar 20 2025 17:26 utc | 55 TASS reports …
Putin is falling for another Minsk. Russia loses if it doesn’t win militarily. Ukrainians are still attacking Russia’s border areas – Posted by: MiniMO | Mar 20 2025 17:29 utc | 57 Starmer has recently stated he will deploy UK ‘special’ forces into Odessa to keep the Black Sea route open. Well, guess they have already been there for a while. But how are UK special forces going to prevent ships being sunk and blown up in the harbor? Does UK have effective AD systems? Think not… Posted by: rk | Mar 20 2025 17:29 utc | 58 the mighty british, still hiding behind others, love to talk big when they are not spinning lies. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 20 2025 17:31 utc | 59 the Russian leader must not be given the option to veto the security architecture that will govern that peace, should a deal be struck to end the war. Posted by: Call it what u will | Mar 20 2025 17:41 utc | 60 Ever since the slap-down in the Oval, Zelensky is very assiduous about thanking DJT for being the first American president to send Javelins to Ukraine in 2017, something Obama refused to do. Lethal weaponry can forge an unforgettable bond. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 20 2025 17:42 utc | 61 Recommend this video, lot’s of facts about the frontline warefare: Posted by: blueswede | Mar 20 2025 17:43 utc | 62 He’s not giving up. He says no deal until Russia returns everything it took since 2014. Does this sound like a man that’s in fear of his life? Or in danger of losing? Either he’s the biggest idiot on planet Earth or he knows something we don’t know. Posted by: bored | Mar 20 2025 17:50 utc | 63 Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 20 2025 17:22 utc | 54 Posted by: Engineer-John | Mar 20 2025 17:51 utc | 64 Apparently Starmer wants the full pack of cards in Ukraine – minesweepers, patrol boats in Black Sea, Eurovassal troops, British special force, Typhoon fighters in Poland, troops occupying ports, rear cities, air fields etc. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2025 17:52 utc | 65 Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 20 2025 17:22 utc | 54 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 20 2025 17:54 utc | 66 he’s the biggest idiot on planet Earth Posted by: Newbie | Mar 20 2025 17:57 utc | 67 @Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2025 14:02 utc | 15 Posted by: Roger Boyd | Mar 20 2025 17:59 utc | 68 The US of A’s ongoing arms deliveries to the Kiev regime [4 times this week] contradicts Washington’s true intentions to achieve a long-lasting sustainable peace in Ukraine. Posted by: pepe | Mar 20 2025 18:07 utc | 69 Corruption in Ukraine continuous. Additionally, I would remind Arestovich’s claims that 30 – 70% of the value of western taxpayer transactions to Ukraine are stolen either directly or through managed inefficiencies.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2025 18:20 utc | 70 65 – The British Army is the smallest it has been since the end of the Napoleonic Wars. Starmer is welcome to try, of course… Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 20 2025 18:22 utc | 71 Meanwhile, business continues as usual:
https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/ukraine/1742493678-minoboroni-vitratilo-ponad-51-mlrd-grn-na-zbroyu-yaku-ne-otrimali-zsu-tspk (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 20 2025 18:28 utc | 72 The reason for high level of corruption in Ukraine is very simple. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2025 18:33 utc | 73 The US of A’s ongoing arms deliveries to the Kiev regime [4 times this week] contradicts Washington’s true intentions to achieve a long-lasting sustainable peace in Ukraine. Posted by: rk | Mar 20 2025 18:40 utc | 74 Note NATO is split over money.
It is understood that when Spain talks about “non-repayable transfers”, Spain wants to be on the receiving end, not the paying end. Posted by: Passerby | Mar 20 2025 18:40 utc | 75
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 20 2025 18:33 utc | 73 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 20 2025 18:45 utc | 76 Posted by: rk | Mar 20 2025 18:40 utc | 74 Posted by: pepe | Mar 20 2025 18:58 utc | 77 @ pepe | Mar 20 2025 18:58 utc | 77 Posted by: james | Mar 20 2025 19:15 utc | 78
did pasha finally notice how treacherous the french and british are, that he comes crawling back to mother russia? lets wait and see how this develops, if true. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 20 2025 19:28 utc | 79 zelenskiyjivijjiywhatever whines about orban:
factcheck: he has no issues when the shoe is on the other foot. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 20 2025 19:33 utc | 80 Germany removing its debt limit to fund a war in Europe is working exactly as the US planned.
Posted by: All Under Heaven | Mar 20 2025 19:34 utc | 81 Get this: the claim is Russia wants to conquer first Ukraine, then Europe. Posted by: Passerby | Mar 20 2025 19:54 utc | 82
they live in constant fear of the russian boogeyman. maybe show some goodwill so that you wont get “attacked faster”. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 20 2025 19:58 utc | 83
from euronews (yeah yeah, i know). that site has a “fact checker”, but strangely, they seem to have missed the part about her beeing an “opposition leader”. anyways, they havent given up on regime change in belarus, as she so hints at in her last sentence. funnily, shes in lithuania. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 20 2025 20:06 utc | 84 https://brusselssignal.eu/2025/03/lessons-from-minsk-ii-for-the-ukraine-peace-talks/ Posted by: marcjf | Mar 20 2025 20:09 utc | 85 Passerby | Mar 20 2025 19:54 utc | 82 – I understand the egg problem in the states is because of an outbreak of avian flu affecting laying hens. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 20 2025 20:10 utc | 86 “Vladimir Putin will face “severe consequences” if he breaches a peace deal with Ukraine, Keir Starmer has warned as western military planners begin drawing up plans to enforce any agreement between the two countries.” Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 20 2025 20:21 utc | 87 A new devlopment. Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 20 2025 20:23 utc | 88 Putin has never ‘forbidden’ the presence of European ground forces in Ukraine, and I’m sure he is aware of the SBS detachment in Odessa which caused trouble for a time with its surface drones. He has said the Russian Federation is not on board with the idea, and that if European countries place their soldiers in harm’s way against the Russian government’s advice, they must not be too upset if they are killed, because Russia cannot and will not take special care to differentiate them from any other enemy combatants. Dont lets fall for the…. Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 20 2025 20:34 utc | 90 Mark2 | Mar 20 2025 20:23 utc | 88 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 20 2025 20:41 utc | 91 YetAnotherAnon @ 91 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 20 2025 20:54 utc | 92 While Starmer is strutting and posturing and assuring Ukraine of ever-more money, his Chancellor of the Exchequer is poised to bring in the hardest budget since austerity, and much of the ‘savings’ will be taken from the poor and middle class.
Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 20 2025 20:23 utc | 88 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 20 2025 21:00 utc | 94 Addendum: we really wanted to build the TSR-2 but the US wouldn’t let us. Still, the Vulcan and the (proper and original, not the F-35 abomination) Lightning didn’t turn out too bad. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 20 2025 21:12 utc | 95 For 3 years of this war against Russia, europe has profited from treating america as a ‘cash cow’ to a large degree thats stopping, we know, trump said, he found out, game over. Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 20 2025 21:20 utc | 96 Anyway, back to the here and now, things seem to be getting loud in Odessa:
https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/03/20/strong-explosions-are-heard-in-odessa Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 20 2025 21:21 utc | 97 Jeremy Rhyming-Lang @ 97 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 20 2025 21:26 utc | 98
Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 20 2025 21:26 utc | 98 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 20 2025 21:45 utc | 99 Military production on the scale that Tales-From-the-Crypt escapee Ursula Von Der Leyen and her fellow Yurrupeans are talking up requires loads of cheap energy, like Yurrup had before The Great Misunderstanding. It doesn’t have it now, and former industrial/manufacturing powers like Germany are seeing an exodus of manufacturers and a parade of closures because those companies can no longer be operated at a profit under conditions where energy is so expensive. I know, we’ve all heard about dear little windmills and free power from dandelions, but that moment is decidedly not here yet, and the manufacture and operation of military equipment is among the most energy-intensive of occupations. If Europe could have chosen a worse moment to gear up for a war, I’m damned if I can see how. |
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