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March 16, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-054

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Just to reiterate, here are Russia’s goals in the SMO, since some posters here seem confused.
1. Ukraine must become a neutral country. No joining NATO, or even the EU. It should have a stated policy of permanent neutrality, something similar to what Turkmenistan has. The Turkmenistan model is acceptable to Russia.
2. Ukraine must be de-militarized. This means no long-range or offensive weapons, at a minimum. And a cap on the size of Ukraine’s military, subject to monitoring.
3. Recognition of Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia as annexed Russian territory. Ukraine relinquishes all claims to these former oblasts, and removes its troops from them. Codified by treaty.

N.B. It is not necessary for Russia to completely occupy all of these territories to ensure annexation. They became Russian territory once they voted to join in the 2022 referendums.

That’s it, the war will end with those conditions, as of now. De-nazification follows from demilitarization. There’s been no formal stated policy on Odessa, or other parts of Ukraine becoming part of Russia. This is why territorial gains are not a necessary condition for Russian victory. They could be sufficient conditions, but not necessary ones.
Other things like the lifting of sanctions, war crimes tribunals, reparations, can be hashed out after the cessation of hostilities. But in order for Russia to accept any peace deal, those three criteria, at the very least, must be met.

Posted by: James M. | Mar 20 2025 0:05 utc | 401

Mark2 | Mar 19 2025 11:34 utc | 390
*** To be or not to be that is the question.
Dose england want war with Russia ***
Political establishment very much does, but public don’t seem keen.
*** More than it wants america as a freand and trading partner.***
Political establishment all want to be rich Americans, while leaving the British public with no future option than to consume Yankee shit and worship the Israelis.

Posted by: Cynic | Mar 20 2025 0:06 utc | 402

@Flying Dutchman | Wed, 19 Mar 2025 13:09:00 GMT | 396
“Not every war is the same, but these two are. That’s why I said so. Nazi Ukraine is as rabid as Nazi Germany, and right there on the Russian doorstep.”
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“No they are not. Nazi Germany was united, expansionist, had an elected effective, dynamic leader, and re-armed without assistance, to the point they could easily dominate their neighbors.”
Posted by: James M. | Mar 19 2025 23:00 utc | 399
That is not exactly correct.
Prescott Bush (1)president of Brown Brothers a NY based bank financed Thyssen and other German oligarchs to build military hardware. Brown Brothers kept financing Germany until Congress made them back off in August, 1942.
1.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

Posted by: canuck | Mar 20 2025 4:09 utc | 403

@canuck | Thu, 20 Mar 2025 04:09:00 GMT | 403

Prescott Bush (1)president of Brown Brothers a NY based bank financed Thyssen and other German oligarchs to build military hardware. Brown Brothers kept financing Germany until Congress made them back off in August, 1942.

They re-armed without assistance from another nation-state or alliance of nation-states, as Ukraine is being armed, and re-armed by NATO countries. Is that more clear, pedant?

Posted by: James M. | Mar 20 2025 5:01 utc | 404