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March 16, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-054
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Yellow journalism from the nytimes: Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 17 2025 17:54 utc | 201 Once we lose a carrier the game will change permanently. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 17 2025 17:56 utc | 202 Russians in desperate straits (cont’d). Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 17 2025 17:57 utc | 203 Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 17 2025 17:51 utc | 200 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 17 2025 17:59 utc | 204 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 17 2025 17:54 utc | 201 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 17 2025 18:01 utc | 205 Who buys this crap after hearing it every few months for the past 3 years? Well, beyond idiot NAFOs I mean… Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 17 2025 18:03 utc | 206 Why wr se no effect of the Ukro defeat in Kursk on other frontlines? Posted by: vargas | Mar 17 2025 18:04 utc | 207 Making real what is inexistent and ranting about. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 17 2025 18:04 utc | 208 Trump will blow a gasket in that case. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 17 2025 18:07 utc | 209 I wonder if the DPRK would participate in offensive operations or only defensive ones. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 17 2025 18:11 utc | 210 Now, on the subject of the Saprozh Nuclear Power Plant. Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 17 2025 18:14 utc | 211 I wonder if the DPRK would participate in offensive operations or only defensive ones. Posted by: berthold | Mar 17 2025 18:19 utc | 212 And in the background, there will be some states that will support these particularly vulnerable states with all means at their disposal, including those that US strategists believe to be reliable partners. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 17 2025 18:30 utc | 213 🇺🇦 Ukrainian MP Bezuglaya reveals that the real wonder weapon is their own air defense because it successfully destroys half of their planes and helicopters Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 17 2025 18:34 utc | 214 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 17 2025 18:03 utc | 206 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 17 2025 18:40 utc | 215 Off-topic, guys… But I was unable to post for 18 hours. Have you all ever experienced this-? Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 17 2025 18:49 utc | 216 These talks are about 3 things… Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 17 2025 18:53 utc | 217 Trump dosent care about power stations why would he ? Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 17 2025 19:01 utc | 218 Off-topic, guys… But I was unable to post for 18 hours. Have you all ever experienced this-? Posted by: 5thcolumn | Mar 17 2025 19:11 utc | 219 Daily DS map update: Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 17 2025 19:20 utc | 220 TjandTheBear @ 218 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 17 2025 19:25 utc | 221 There is word that Trump is going to offer recognition of Crimea as Russian to get something in negotiations. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 17 2025 19:33 utc | 222 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 17 2025 19:33 utc | 222 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 17 2025 19:50 utc | 223
IIRC Westinghouse converted at least one of the reactors to accept their fuel rods and also installed their control software (which the Russians were sternly warned not to fiddle with, lol), so I guess there is a Murican revenue stream there to be recouped at the very least. Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 17 2025 19:55 utc | 224
Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 17 2025 19:55 utc | 224 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 17 2025 20:10 utc | 225 When I see the western elites running around, one picture comes to mind: the little panicked mouse trapped in the cage I was holding in my hands a few days ago.. Posted by: Stephane | Mar 17 2025 20:15 utc | 226 Russia wont be giveing back any teratory it’s gained why would it, ther winning. Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 17 2025 20:24 utc | 227 All this would of never happened if Corbyn had been voteded in. Told ya so. 🤧 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 17 2025 20:30 utc | 228 Meanwhile, it looks like the Ukraine press-gang “commissioners” continue to do their best to win friends and influence people:
https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/hmelnitskaya/1742220009-u-hmelnitskomu-pratsivnik-ttsk-napav-na-viyskovogo-yakiy-povernuvsya-z-viyni (via translation add-on with [Edits].) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 17 2025 20:30 utc | 229 Trump dosent care about power stations why would he ? Posted by: Mario | Mar 17 2025 20:38 utc | 230 @ LoveDonbass Posted by: CullenBaker | Mar 17 2025 20:44 utc | 231 Mario @ 230 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 17 2025 20:49 utc | 232 I believe the yellow jackets was CIA/MI6. Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Mar 17 2025 21:01 utc | 234 Americans making fun of forced mobilizations. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 17 2025 21:15 utc | 235 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egCIC90WBn0 Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 17 2025 21:38 utc | 236 Mark Felton has a high quality YT channel on military related history. He stays out of partisan politics but in an indirect way he makes deeply important contributions backed up by solid historical scholarly research. Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 17 2025 21:52 utc | 237 I wonder if Russia/Putin could utilize Zelensky’s claims perversely. Thus….. Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 17 2025 21:56 utc | 238 RUAF making major gains south of Zaporozhye, east of Kamyanske. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 17 2025 22:04 utc | 239 No, the Yellow Jackets were not another colour revolution. I was here and there throughout, not that kind of sausage at the start and for quite a while. You try putting up fuel duty twice in a year and see what happens. Posted by: Tim Putnam | Mar 17 2025 22:07 utc | 240 Andrew Sarchus @ 237 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 17 2025 22:14 utc | 241 Some counter attack or offensive is planned by Ukraine somewhere. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 17 2025 22:30 utc | 242 Dima assumes Zelensky may try to attack Transnistria next, after he lost his Kursk trump card. He supposedly could try to exchange Transnistria for the Energodar power plant. However, take it with a grain of salt as attacking Transnistria has been talked about since the start of SMO. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 17 2025 22:38 utc | 243 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 17 2025 19:33 utc | 222 Posted by: Milites | Mar 17 2025 22:42 utc | 244 Good programme Going Underground Afshin Rattandi on rt Posted by: Jo | Mar 17 2025 22:51 utc | 245 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 17 2025 18:03 utc | 206 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 17 2025 22:51 utc | 246 Posted by: Milites | Mar 17 2025 22:42 utc | 244 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 17 2025 22:54 utc | 247 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 17 2025 22:59 utc | 248 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 17 2025 23:08 utc | 249 In Belgorod, a Ukrainian drone landed in a shopping center near the Belgorod Arena. Posted by: MiniMO | Mar 17 2025 23:26 utc | 251 Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 17 2025 21:52 utc | 237 Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 17 2025 23:29 utc | 252 Finally, the truth of what has been happening in Ukraine, and its prospects for success in its war against Russia, is being acknowledged–perhaps not in the UK, but certainly in Regime Media in the U.S., the nytimes among them. For many, the truth is hitting hard: Long before January 20th, when DJT assumed office, Ukraine had all but lost the war. Posted by: steel-porcupine | Mar 17 2025 23:45 utc | 253 Posted by: steel-porcupine | Mar 17 2025 23:45 utc | 253 Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 18 2025 0:20 utc | 254 It sounds like the DJT team, conferring w/ the Russia team, is searching for ways to defang the terroristic/neo-Nazi proxy in Project Ukraine. Turning back the hands of time to a pre-Euromaidan set-up, DJT’s team seems to be looking toward an interim caretaker presidency for Yulia Timoshenko before new elections can take place. Revisiting the Timoshenko era, DJT’s team is starting the clock, so to speak, during a period long before the Obama State Department had honed a weaponized Ukraine to a fine point, and empowered its neo-Nazi ultra-nationalist elements, to target Russian ethnics in eastern Ukraine. Posted by: steel-porcupine | Mar 18 2025 0:23 utc | 255 @ Micron | Mar 16 2025 15:21 utc | 4 Posted by: Featherless | Mar 18 2025 0:23 utc | 256 I am going to throw out some speculation about Russia positions. Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 18 2025 5:02 utc | 257 Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 18 2025 5:02 utc | 257 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 18 2025 6:53 utc | 258 EU mainstream propaganda media is now saying that the EU intends to occupy Odessa. It’s most likely EU is 100% now serving interests of Britain, and acting according to the deal which promised Britain to occupy mines, railways and ports in Ukraine.
Posted by: 5thcolumn | Mar 18 2025 7:11 utc | 259 Pysychohistorian @ 257 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 18 2025 7:18 utc | 260 The alternative. Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 18 2025 7:42 utc | 261
https://x.com/distant_earth83/status/1901719844002857075 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 18 2025 7:44 utc | 262 Britain is cannibalizing itself to fund the Kiev regime. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 18 2025 7:51 utc | 263 Andrew Sarchus @ 237 Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 18 2025 7:57 utc | 264 Disappeared quote from mark2: Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 18 2025 7:57 utc | 265 “The irony of it all was that the Establishment was so paranoid about darling Harold being compromised by the KGB, they actually engineered Ted Heath to replace him (who was very compromised, allegedly).” Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 18 2025 8:03 utc | 266 Trump’s attitude to the EU’s desire to enrich itself off of Ukraine reminds me of Christopher Walken’s character, Frank White, in King of New York*. I think Putin understands this clearly, and also on a visceral level. If he can arrange things where the USA/Trump gets a cut out of future Russian Federation domination of areas currently under Ukrainian control, to the great disappointment of the European establishment, then the EU and the Zelenskyy regime could be facing disaster a lot sooner rather than later. Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 18 2025 8:04 utc | 267 It seems Zelensky is desperately trying to get another bargaining chip after losing Kursk by trying to get into Belgorod oblast.
Posted by: 5thcolumn | Mar 18 2025 8:06 utc | 268 “I am going to throw out some speculation about Russia positions. Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 18 2025 8:08 utc | 269 A new ruse is for the western msm to claim NATO is no longer relevant in an attempt to confuse the Russians into thinking that ‘red line’ re. Ukraine is no longer relevant Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 18 2025 8:16 utc | 270 Posted by: 5thcolumn | Mar 18 2025 8:06 utc | 268 Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 18 2025 8:20 utc | 271 Andrew Sarchus @ 264 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 18 2025 8:30 utc | 272 To add Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 18 2025 8:51 utc | 273 Alastair Crooke: Posted by: WMG | Mar 18 2025 8:56 utc | 274 Mark2 | Mar 18 2025 8:51 utc | 273 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 18 2025 8:58 utc | 275 FlyingDutchman @ 275 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 18 2025 9:12 utc | 276 Two hours, that’s quite a long time for telling Donald to go fuck himself, even if it is done politely. In the light of current events, nothing Trump says or does can be trusted, putting the US as a garant in a proposed ceasefire is like putting a fox to guard a henhouse.
Posted by: 5thcolumn | Mar 18 2025 9:46 utc | 277 Had to share this bit of unintentional hilarity, from Hamish Bretton-Gordon, robust rules of engagement !!! Posted by: ockham | Mar 18 2025 10:28 utc | 278 mark2 272 Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 18 2025 10:33 utc | 279 “Alastair Crooke: Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 18 2025 10:35 utc | 280 It is entertaining to watch msm now. They have all prepared news and talk shows based on Witkoff, Trump and others, including WH press statements. The story pushed is that Trump might offer Crimea to Putin. In exchange Putin has to give ZNPP and the other new regions back to Zeli, and do other unspecified things. Witkoff also announced the subject of Black Sea access will be in the phone call. I didn’t watch long enough to understand who is claiming access to Black Sea, Trump or Martians. Anyway, they’ve set some very high expectations for today. Posted by: rk | Mar 18 2025 10:43 utc | 281 Trump once ate chocolate cake while telling Xi JinPing that he was at that moment bombing Syria with 59 cruise missiles. Posted by: gce | Mar 18 2025 11:18 utc | 282 Trump once ate chocolate cake while telling Xi JinPing that he was at that moment bombing Syria with 59 cruise missiles. Posted by: gce | Mar 18 2025 11:18 utc | 283 Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 18 2025 8:03 utc | 266 Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 18 2025 11:20 utc | 284 Andrew Sarchus @ 279 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 18 2025 11:26 utc | 285 In a little over 90 minutes, Donald will request Putin’s surrender. Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 18 2025 11:36 utc | 286 ### Posted by: Mario | Mar 18 2025 11:48 utc | 287 Think outside of the box …
Q: Have you seen foreign soldiers? Mercenaries maybe? Night Tripper | Mar 18 2025 11:36 utc | 286 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 18 2025 12:08 utc | 289 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 18 2025 12:08 utc | 289 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 18 2025 12:24 utc | 290 How do they practically take Odessa? IMO. they can’t take it until they resolve Donbass, and get Zaporozhye, and block Dnepropetrovsk from the rest of east Ukraine. It will take several more years. Posted by: Newbie | Mar 18 2025 12:32 utc | 291 @290 Posted by: paddy | Mar 18 2025 12:37 utc | 292 Andrew Sarchus @ 279 Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 18 2025 12:45 utc | 293 @278 Posted by: paddy | Mar 18 2025 12:51 utc | 294 Fun times ahead, will Trump fold or is Putin making sure the ceasefire proposal is DOA? Find out in a few hours and have your popcorn ready.
Western journalism at its finest: Posted by: 5thcolumn | Mar 18 2025 13:06 utc | 295 The underground reported on foreigners who were surrounded in the Kursk region, 03.18.2025. Posted by: Uvakyi | Mar 18 2025 13:20 utc | 296 Ukraine’s attack attempt across Belgorod border seems to have failed. Several tanks and APCs destroyed. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 18 2025 13:21 utc | 297 295 – Not great journalism but it also seems he could not get anyone to give an attibutable quote. Although I am fascinated by the “one person in Moscow”. Who? The cleaning lady in his hotel? The professional dog-walker he hired? Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 18 2025 13:25 utc | 298 Putin keeping Trump waiting. At this point he is still talking at a meeting of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs in Moscow, and absuing Western sanctions as illegal and illegitimate. Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 18 2025 13:31 utc | 299 Putin keeping Trump waiting. At this point he is still talking at a meeting of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs in Moscow, and absuing Western sanctions as illegal and illegitimate. Posted by: 5thcolumn | Mar 18 2025 13:42 utc | 300 |
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