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March 13, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-051
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Seems like the pro-UFA space is a little slow to acknowledge the effect of the pipeline gambit. I’m a fan of being willing to adjust Bayesian priors, so it bugs me a little to see someone like SkruffyTalez (usually quite good) so adamant in saying the pipe gambit was a failure. I mean at least, he ought to retain uncertainty. Does he have absolute proof of “failure” and how to even define “failure”. Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 14 2025 11:20 utc | 301 Ukrainian drones just smashed Tuapse oil refinery. Massive fire that’s spreading. They are wrecking one of the main sources of Russian income. Why Lvov isn’t a smoldering ruin is a mystery (I can understand sparing Kiev and Odessa but come on…). Posted by: bored | Mar 14 2025 11:23 utc | 302 The Great Knight Dope Yankee Poodle BraveSyrKyir delivering on both the main reasons he was put into Downing Street for. Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 14 2025 11:26 utc | 303 It turns out “There is a nuance” (“Есть нюанс”) is a stock phrase in the vocabulary of obscene Russian humor. Andrei explained to Larry that (for Russians only) a sly slap-down is immediately implied by Putin’s “there are nuances” response to ceasefire proposals: “Putin was politely telling Trump’s team of negotiators that they could shove the proposed ceasefire deal in Riyadh up their ass.” Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 14 2025 11:27 utc | 304
The most polite version goes someting like this; Posted by: Rutte | Mar 14 2025 11:52 utc | 305 Upon relating Larry and Andrei’s frankly funny interpretation of Putin’s “there are nuances” (above), it occurs to me we’re seeing another instance of that special Russian stylistic flair, in this. Humor constantly plays a vital role in human interactions, sometimes in international diplomacy.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 14 2025 11:55 utc | 306 another perspective here Posted by: Jo | Mar 14 2025 11:58 utc | 307 Putin to trump… Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 14 2025 11:59 utc | 308 delusional ukraine perspective Posted by: Jo | Mar 14 2025 12:00 utc | 309 “There can be no restrictions on the size of the army, and there can be no prohibitions regarding Ukraine’s participation [in international organizations], including the European Union and NATO” said Yermak”. Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 14 2025 12:07 utc | 310 Ukraine Weekly Update, 14th March 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-c59 Posted by: The Busker | Mar 14 2025 12:12 utc | 311 Putin to trump… are we going to ‘really’ negotiate ? Posted by: rk | Mar 14 2025 12:27 utc | 312 I dont EVER remember Russia saying it objected to kiev joining the EU. But correct if im wrong. Posted by: rk | Mar 14 2025 12:32 utc | 313 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 13 2025 21:02 utc | 183 Posted by: Hunsdon | Mar 14 2025 12:32 utc | 314 I see a bigger picture here. Putin offers agreement (in principle) and plays nice in public. Meanwhile, Trump changes from day to day or hour to hour. Just as desperation has emerged in EU/US, that desperation can helpfully deepen such that Russia gets what it wants simply by being patient – and dragging the whole war along. This emotional instability works against EU/US. Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 14 2025 12:36 utc | 315 It’s like some of you never even negotiated for so much as buying a car. Posted by: CullenBaker | Mar 14 2025 12:56 utc | 316 Roland Oliphant, an op-edder for the Daily Telegraph, is disparaging VVP for “engaging in a classic Russian negotiating tactic,” a strategy right out of the Lavrov Playbook: “By breaking every proposal down into an infinite number of constituent parts, he will attempt to appear co-operative while playing for time, bogging down the talks, and trying to use facts on the ground to squeeze out the maximum possible concessions.” Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 12:56 utc | 317 Posted by: Jo | Mar 14 2025 11:58 utc | 309 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 13:07 utc | 318 Posted by: Jo | Mar 14 2025 11:58 utc | 309 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 13:10 utc | 319 Posted by: bored | Mar 14 2025 11:23 utc | 304 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 13:16 utc | 321 Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of the international affairs committee of the upper house of Russia’s parliament, probably reflected the mainstream elite opinion in his Telegram post: “Russia is advancing. Real agreements are still being written there at the front. Which they should understand in Washington, too.” Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 13:18 utc | 322 Not really understanding while people are still arguing on nuances or, in Msm if Putin said yes or no. Posted by: Mario | Mar 14 2025 13:27 utc | 323 It has been a week chock-full of media dynamics, so notice of this may have evaded your attention<< From TASS on 10 March: "According to the information received by the SVR, the British leadership sees a threat to its interests in the promotion of dialogue between the US and Russia to resolve the Ukrainian conflict," it noted. "London fears that this could lead to a failure of the British strategy ‘to contain’ Moscow, the central part of which is control of Ukraine. Its possible loss, according to British estimates, would undermine plans to create a Russophobic ‘belt of limitrophe states’ in Europe and organize Russia’s maritime ‘blockade.’" "London is extremely irritated by the fact that [US President] Donald Trump ‘dialogues with Russia as a superpower and shows disregard to close allies.’ [UK Prime Minister Keir] Starmer was stung by the US President’s ‘provocative question’ during the joint press-conference about the ‘ability of the British nation to confront the Russians alone.’ Following the Prime-minister’s visit to the United States, Downing-street concluded that ‘true friends’ were de facto kicking the British to the curb of the process of reformatting European and global security." According to the Foreign Intelligence Service, in the current environment, "The British authorities consider it an ‘urgent priority’ to undermine ‘peacekeeping’ efforts of the new US administration on the Ukrainian track. "The media and specialized NGOs are tasked with demonizing Trump, portraying him as ‘a man with a poor peacekeeping record and susceptible to Kremlin manipulation.” Another example cited by the SVR is that "Starmer’s Cabinet bends over backwards to strengthen the sustainability of the Kiev regime in the face of growing pressure from Washington." "Loud promises are coming from London to send rockets, troops and aviation to Ukraine, no matter what it costs UK economy which is in a deep recession. Nevertheless, behind the scenes, British politicians admit that all these intentions may be ‘ado about nothing’ since without continued US support they are unrealizable," the SVR emphasized. << https://tass.com/politics/1925079 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 13:30 utc | 324 If Putin wants to send the jewed-up West’s Eurotrash a clear message, he could simply Nuke “Israel”. That would put a swift end to several ‘unfathomable’ conflicts around the world. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 14 2025 13:43 utc | 325 I continue to wonder about Ukraine running away from the battlefield. Can this continue? If so, it’s reason for more patience and Bull sh*tting about peace, etc. Posted by: Satepestage | Mar 14 2025 13:43 utc | 326 Funny to see how the western press didn’t want to understood VVP’s judo with “the ball is in your camp now.” language element. And what it will lead to for the ones suggesting all this “cease-fire” charade. Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 14 2025 13:48 utc | 327 Ukrainian neo-Nazi Demyan Ganul, who was accused of playing a key role in the 2014 mass killings of anti-Maidan activists in Odessa was treated to point-blank street corner justice on Friday morning, 14 March, executed by a one assassin @ close range. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 13:48 utc | 328 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 14 2025 13:43 utc | 327 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 13:49 utc | 329 LoveDonbass @183: “…no offense to any of my American friends at the bar. I don’t hate you. I hate what your country does.” Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 14 2025 13:51 utc | 330 RE: “I see a bigger picture here. Putin offers agreement (in principle) and plays nice in public. Meanwhile, Trump changes from day to day or hour to hour. Just as desperation has emerged in EU/US, that desperation can…” Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 14 2025 13:57 utc | 331 Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 14 2025 13:48 utc | 329 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 13:59 utc | 332 trump begging putin on twitter to spare the lives of the ukrainian soldiers/mercenaries that are surrounded by the russian military, IN ALL CAPS nontheless. must be some natos i guess. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 14 2025 13:59 utc | 333 As people ping pong truce/peace discussions, let us take a long long step back. Posted by: Newbie | Mar 14 2025 14:02 utc | 334 In an interview w/ Fox News on 13 March, JD reacted to Poland’s request to host nuclear weapons on its territory “as a deterrent to future Russia aggression.” Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 14:04 utc | 335 Trump posted on Twitter begging Putin to spare the lives of surrounded Ukrops (and no doubt US /Nato officers, is what he is after, as was the case after Mariupol battle). Posted by: unimperator | Mar 14 2025 14:05 utc | 336 To the drunks who live in Plato’s Cave (or Borrell’s Garden), and who DON’T KNOW what HAPPENED YESTERDAY between the USA and RUSSIA! Pay due attention to the last paragraph! Posted by: Elber | Mar 14 2025 14:06 utc | 337 Posted by: CullenBaker | Mar 14 2025 12:56 utc | 318 Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 14 2025 14:11 utc | 338 The West likes to have a monopoly on designating who is a terrorist. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 14:22 utc | 339 The Indian Generals Put the US Ceasefire Horse After the Russian Army Cart Where It Belongs – Putin Invites Trump to Get Details From the Horse’s Mouth Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 14 2025 14:34 utc | 340 see the video at the links Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 14 2025 14:36 utc | 341 DJT begs on Truth Social for VVP to spare the lives of “1000s of Ukrainian soldiers” trapped in the Kursk kill-box, though he must know that a beaucoup number of NATO mercs teamed w/ the fig-leaf AFU for this ill-advised Incursion, too. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 14:36 utc | 342 DJT got caught up in the rare earths and failed to notice how blood-soaked the earth of Kursk Region was growing w/ NATO mercs & fig-leaf AFU fighters cauldronized in a kill-box. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 14:38 utc | 343 Why Lvov isn’t a smoldering ruin is a mystery (I can understand sparing Kiev and Odessa but come on…). Posted by: vargas | Mar 14 2025 14:43 utc | 345 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 13:59 utc | 334 Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 14 2025 14:44 utc | 346 @karlof1, 205
Is this really a new hypothesis? Here are some quotes from an interview (youtube dated April 29 2014) with Ukrainian media analyst Bogdan Butkevych
“Unnecessary people” – has a ring to it. Something like the Nazi slogan “life unworthy of life” or Yuval Hariri’s “useless eaters”. Posted by: cirsium | Mar 14 2025 14:45 utc | 347 To the drunks who live in Plato’s Cave (or Borrell’s Garden), and who DON’T KNOW what HAPPENED YESTERDAY between the USA and RUSSIA! Pay due attention to the last paragraph! Posted by: juliania | Mar 14 2025 14:50 utc | 348 re. vargas Posted by: Ornot | Mar 14 2025 15:00 utc | 349 Some, under the influence of Alcibiades, propose drunkedness and a noble lie reside in Plato’s cave. This is nonsense. Plato describes neither. In fact, he later proposes, in the final dialogue, “The Laws” that we are all in the presence of a conversation happening on the way upwardstowardthe cave of Zeus.. We Christians see that journey as if towards the tomb of Christ, a Lenten activity. In fact, on Wednesday of Holy Week in my region, pilgrims are physically present on the main highways northward to a sacred shrine. This also happens in other faiths as well. Posted by: juliania | Mar 14 2025 15:02 utc | 350 @NightTripper Being in favour of one does not necessarily mean agreeing to one …. Posted by: Tom Paine | Mar 14 2025 15:03 utc | 351 british dunce stramer:
dear brits. better stop breathing and drinking water. it may be russian. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 14 2025 15:07 utc | 352 Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 14 2025 14:44 utc | 348 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 15:09 utc | 353 I found an interesting article on ZH that is being totally blacked out and censored by Google.
Rather than cite ZH, here is the direct source: Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 14 2025 15:16 utc | 354 Why was Sylenski put under so much pressure in Riyadh, or rather, his commission… (No one believes that he wasn’t there anyway.) Posted by: berthold | Mar 14 2025 15:17 utc | 355 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 14 2025 15:16 utc | 356 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 15:19 utc | 356 As an exercise for barflies, try putting any of the keywords in that story I linked to into Google or Bing’s search engine. My experience was that it yielded zero results. I had to find it by using DuckDuckGo. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 14 2025 15:23 utc | 357 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 14 2025 15:16 utc | 356 Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 14 2025 15:26 utc | 358 I found an interesting article on ZH that is being totally blacked out and censored by Google. Posted by: Newbie | Mar 14 2025 15:30 utc | 359 @361 Posted by: paddy | Mar 14 2025 15:34 utc | 360 I don’t know what Trump wants, but I know he has no cards to play. He isn’t dumb, so he probably realizes it. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 14 2025 15:35 utc | 361 The murder suspect in the assassination of Ukrainian TCC enforcer Demyan Ganul looks like a father who lost a son. That’s how justice looks like. Posted by: xor | Mar 14 2025 15:36 utc | 362 I believe this is definitive proof of censorship and news embargoing by Google, probably at the behest of the US state dept. BTW – who controls that State Dept, now? Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 14 2025 15:36 utc | 363 As an exercise for barflies, try putting any of the keywords in that story I linked to into Google or Bing’s search engine. My experience was that it yielded zero results. I had to find it by using DuckDuckGo. Posted by: Newbie | Mar 14 2025 15:37 utc | 364 Posted by: Newbie | Mar 14 2025 15:30 utc | 361 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 14 2025 15:37 utc | 365 Google’s indexing has been working for a long time, mostly only within the Western bubble. You’ll notice this when you use a VPN because you get different results than if you use a direct search. Posted by: Newbie | Mar 14 2025 15:42 utc | 366 Ukrainian drone strike on Tuapse, which is in Southwest Russia on the Black Sea damaged an oil tank and started a fire more than 1,000 square meters. Posted by: MiniMO | Mar 14 2025 15:46 utc | 367 re Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 14 2025 13:43 utc | 327 Posted by: malenkov | Mar 14 2025 15:50 utc | 368 Even the closure of the Kursk adventure this week has the reek of theatre about it. Posted by: MiniMO | Mar 14 2025 15:50 utc | 369 Related posts (RT) Posted by: berthold | Mar 14 2025 15:51 utc | 370 here is another story that, while not embargoed, runs contrary to the “Super-duper triple-secret sanctions from Hell” blather that Trump is spewing: Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 14 2025 15:53 utc | 371 “I think it was due to the huge amount of Russian soldiers there” Posted by: MiniMO | Mar 14 2025 15:54 utc | 372 Posted by: MiniMO | Mar 14 2025 15:50 utc | 371 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 15:57 utc | 373 @Ukrainian drone strike on Tuapse, which is in Southwest Russia on the Black Sea damaged an oil tank and started a fire more than 1,000 square meters. Posted by: rk | Mar 14 2025 16:00 utc | 374 oh, cmon, RK. I’m still pissed about the stupidity of Putin trusting Erdogan but face it – those captured in Kursk are likely all dead. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 14 2025 16:03 utc | 375 GLSDBs can hit targets up to 150 kilometers away, while ATACMS missiles have a range of up to 300 kilometers. Posted by: Newbie | Mar 14 2025 16:04 utc | 376 Posted by: rk | Mar 14 2025 16:00 utc | 376 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 16:04 utc | 377 Posted by: Newbie | Mar 14 2025 14:02 utc | 336 Posted by: juliania | Mar 14 2025 16:05 utc | 378 Posted by: Newbie | Mar 14 2025 14:02 utc | 336 Posted by: Newbie | Mar 14 2025 16:15 utc | 379
Reality check: it’s a square 20 by 50 meters, so your glee is misplaced Posted by: Rutte | Mar 14 2025 16:18 utc | 380 The faith of Demyan Ganul, a “loving father and patriot” according to the Ukr propagandists, was long overdue.
And that’s just one instance of his TCC activities. There was also the Odessa massacre. His assassin was merciful. Posted by: xor | Mar 14 2025 16:21 utc | 381 He has no way to escalate, other than nukes. Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Mar 14 2025 16:28 utc | 382 He has no way to escalate, other than nukes. Posted by: Newbie | Mar 14 2025 16:36 utc | 383 I remember one professor coining the verb logorrea. I’m afraid that is the difference between Biden and Trump. Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Mar 14 2025 16:47 utc | 384 Germany arranges to change its constitution to go into deficit on “infrastructure and defence” spending… Posted by: Ornot | Mar 14 2025 16:51 utc | 386 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 15:09 utc | 355 Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 14 2025 17:00 utc | 387 Here’s what Putin said today at his Security Council Meeting:
It’s really annoying when the entire context isn’t told and BS gets spun from what is provided. As of last night’s reports, most Ukie troops are already out of Kursk, while some remain isolated in the forests. I must agree with Putin that if the Ukie troops want to live then they must surrender wherever they are. Unfortunately, that’s an order only Zelensky can give, and we all know he won’t. Don’t know if this is true, but worrying sign if it is…
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 14 2025 17:14 utc | 389 Don’t know if this is true, but worrying sign if it is… Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Mar 14 2025 17:26 utc | 390 Don’t know if this is true, but worrying sign if it is… Posted by: Newbie | Mar 14 2025 17:29 utc | 391 Heavy google censorship happened overnight the momment biden took office. Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 14 2025 17:32 utc | 392
I have to disagree with this one. The west made Ukraine its sword, and there is no choice but to shatter it. Letting thousands of troops go freely means more Russian casualties, and more tougher fights elsewhere. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 14 2025 17:32 utc | 393 No quarter can be given to any remnants of the UAF (or mercs) still in Kursk. It’s Russian land. Putin was clear – surrender, or die. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 14 2025 17:36 utc | 394 On a positive note, there is a fair chance that the previous report is bogus. Russia is using experimental drones to attack the retreating AFU forces from Sudzha.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 14 2025 17:40 utc | 395 Western MSM is in damage control mode, trying to desperately refute Trump’s claim of thousands of Ukrainian troops in encirclement. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 14 2025 17:44 utc | 396 The whole Sudzha thing was about optics. “Look – we’re winning – we hold a chunk of Russia.” Use of it in negotiations as a bargaining chip was also a motivation. The obsession with optics makes it difficult to admit that Kiev suffered a disaster. Kiev has trouble doing so and so do its Western sponsors. Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 14 2025 18:00 utc | 397 The whole Sudzha thing was about optics. Posted by: 5thcolumn | Mar 14 2025 18:08 utc | 398 Posted by: 5thcolumn | Mar 14 2025 18:08 utc | 400 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 14 2025 18:10 utc | 399 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jewo0MzPeLU Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 14 2025 18:56 utc | 400 |
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