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March 13, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-051
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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@ psychohistorian | Mar 13 2025 21:17 utc | 192 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 13 2025 21:46 utc | 201 it is quite fascinating to read putins position on the ceasefire and then go read how bbc has presented it… Posted by: james | Mar 13 2025 21:49 utc | 202 was never discounted truthfully and effectively by Russia. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 13 2025 21:51 utc | 203
there is nothing else to add. goebbels would be proud of gauleiter ursula. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 13 2025 21:51 utc | 204 It took awhile to get the transcript done properly–Lukashenko is very hard to deal with, “The Putin Lukashenko Presser”. Indeed, he offered a new hypothesis for the war on Ukraine–the rare earths were the goal and for that Novorossiya needed to be depopulated. Putin didn’t comment on that, but I presume they discussed that possibility. the two will hold further talks including discussing whatever the American has to say. Overall relations with Belarus are glowing with mutual trade reaching a new all-time high. @ Don Bacon | Mar 13 2025 21:46 utc | 201 Posted by: james | Mar 13 2025 21:59 utc | 206 What Putin said is the highly diplomatic version of GFY, its an art that both the Russian and Chinese leadership greatly understands – messaging in a way that maintains decorum while delivering a blunt message. Of course the US leadership is completely inept at such things. Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2025 22:04 utc | 207 Nima live at the mo: Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2025 22:06 utc | 208 Andrew Sarchus | Mar 13 2025 20:54 utc | 180 Posted by: Markw | Mar 13 2025 22:08 utc | 209 Paco | Mar 13 2025 18:33 utc | 113– Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 18:08 utc | 97 Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 22:13 utc | 211 Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 22:13 utc | 211 Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 22:19 utc | 212 By late afternoon in the U.S., Fox News is stating that VVP has agreed in principle w/ the ceasefire hammered out in Jeddah, but not completely. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 22:22 utc | 213 Putin’s conditions for a ceasefire are excellent, requiring all Uke troops to leave the Russian areas, and zero European troops… and therefore Ukraine will reject them….Russia can then proceed with the mopping up of Ukraine’s army… Posted by: pyrrhus | Mar 13 2025 22:28 utc | 214 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 22:22 utc | 213 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 22:30 utc | 215 Trump’s team admits, acknowledges and confirms that the SMO is a US-Russia proxy war; it also says that NATO’s ground hardware has been exhausted (the air and naval hardware is still intact); but it confesses that, even so, it is an unwinnable war; it finally asks for a truce, having previously stated that it wants to get rid of this war to prepare for another one against China. Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 22:41 utc | 216 Listen at the ones speaking softly instead of the ones bragging about making big things as they are the ones carrying the big stick. Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Mar 13 2025 22:43 utc | 217 I feel like this war is going to be Trump’s undoing. Dude foolishly went all in on promises he’s gonna end the war and is now slowly being backed into a corner. Unless he can get Zelensky deposed and replaced by someone more cooperative, he doesn’t seem to have much of a choice. He can’t go all in on support for Ukraine because he knows the stick isn’t likely to work on Russia and he’d just be Biden 2.0, and he can’t outright abandon Ukraine because it’s gonna be a terrible look. One can guess how he’s gonna react to the realization that he can’t be the peacemaker he aspires to be but odds are whatever he does will come back to bite him in the behind. Posted by: zeigdeinepapiere | Mar 13 2025 22:50 utc | 218 Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 22:41 utc | 216 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 22:53 utc | 219
The increase might merely indicate the relative overvaluation of the US stock market as well as the overvaluation of the US Dollar. Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Mar 13 2025 22:58 utc | 220 FULL MEETING: Trump meets with NATO Secretary General as Russia-Ukraine peace talks intensify Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2025 23:04 utc | 221 It seems that Putin decided to betray Russia and Russian people by accepting Trump’s plan. Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2025 23:05 utc | 222 The biggest mistake in politics is to cling to the carcass of dead policies. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 23:07 utc | 223 But, Dima says that Putin did not accept Trump’s plan. Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2025 23:08 utc | 224 Watch for this: Yulia Timoshenko will become the interim president of Ukraine. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 23:16 utc | 225 But, Dima says that Putin did not accept Trump’s plan. Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 13 2025 23:21 utc | 226 @: james | Mar 13 2025 21:59 utc | 206 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 13 2025 23:31 utc | 227 The French will continue to greenlight Ukraine’s deep-strikes into Old Russia, in order to keep Russian villagers on pins & needles. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 23:36 utc | 228 One of the more interesting things that have happened in the long line of attempts at peace negotiations was showcased by President Putin today as he prefaced his answer to the second Q posed: Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2025 23:08 utc | 224 Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 23:40 utc | 230 Trump — “We could do things very bad for Russia,” Trump told reporters. “Would be devastating for Russia. But I don’t want to do that because I want to see peace.” Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 13 2025 23:40 utc | 231 It is said that in the last stages of dying by famine people will pantomime the bringing of food to their mouths, the hand seeming to grasp a morsel and moving the fantasy tidbit to their lips, again and again and again, a ritual that does not end until death. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 23:48 utc | 232 Don Bacon | Mar 13 2025 23:40 utc | 231– @ vargas | Mar 13 2025 23:05 utc | 222 Posted by: james | Mar 14 2025 0:08 utc | 234 Hey, I get it–everyone wants to Stand With Ukraine because Ukraine is such an undeniable paragon of democracy. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 0:13 utc | 235 Posted by: Markw | Mar 13 2025 20:36 utc | 171 Posted by: Naive | Mar 14 2025 0:23 utc | 236 Posted by: james | Mar 13 2025 21:49 utc | 202 Posted by: Naive | Mar 14 2025 0:25 utc | 237 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 14 2025 0:28 utc | 238 Posted by: vargas | Mar 13 2025 23:08 utc | 224 Posted by: Naive | Mar 14 2025 0:29 utc | 239 I wonder what Russia told Witkoff? Posted by: Naive | Mar 14 2025 0:30 utc | 240 Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2025 23:38 utc | 229 Posted by: Elber | Mar 14 2025 0:33 utc | 241 Trump — “We could do things very bad for Russia,” Trump told reporters. “Would be devastating for Russia. But I don’t want to do that because I want to see peace.” Posted by: Naive | Mar 14 2025 0:40 utc | 242 Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 14 2025 0:28 utc | 238 Posted by: Elber | Mar 14 2025 0:41 utc | 243 Posted by: Elber | Mar 14 2025 0:33 utc | 241 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 0:45 utc | 244 The so-called ceasefire negotiation is obviously bullshit, it’s clear to everyone with a functioning brain. So the question is: why? What could explain Trump doing a 180-degree shift in the negotiations? Posted by: GOLDEN SENSEI | Mar 14 2025 0:46 utc | 245 During his first mandate, Trump showed how stupid he was. Posted by: Naive | Mar 14 2025 0:51 utc | 246 The Vietnam Peace Talks took how long? Posted by: malenkov | Mar 14 2025 1:00 utc | 247 I did not know that she had any skills beyond being an upper class French grifter with an amazing eye for where cameras are located. Posted by: malenkov | Mar 14 2025 1:03 utc | 248 Putin just told Trump to ‘Go To Hell’ in such a way that he’s looking forward to the trip. Posted by: Peter4805 | Mar 14 2025 1:13 utc | 249 (…) Posted by: Elber | Mar 14 2025 1:16 utc | 250 Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 22:41 utc | 216 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 14 2025 1:19 utc | 251 re: psychohistorian | Mar 13 2025 21:17 utc | 192 Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 14 2025 1:33 utc | 252 “It was he who opposed those in power who believed that our economy could exist solely on the sale of raw materials and that we would buy everything necessary abroad. Back in the mid-2000s, he insisted that we need to increase production ” Posted by: antcafe | Mar 14 2025 1:35 utc | 253 *Someone* told Chuck Schumer to sit down: Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 1:40 utc | 254 Posted by: vargas | Mar 14 2025 1:12 utc | 249 Posted by: Elber | Mar 14 2025 1:40 utc | 255 @Naive | Fri, 14 Mar 2025 00:51:00 GMT | 246
Trump is who he’s always been. I don’t know why anyone is surprised by that. He’s transactional, but only when the transactions benefit him. If he can’t get his way, he blusters and issues empty threats. karloff said he’s like a NY Mafia boss, but he’s not even close to that level. That’s what Trump aspires to be. Posted by: James M. | Mar 14 2025 1:57 utc | 256 @ james | Mar 14 2025 0:08 utc | 234 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2025 1:58 utc | 257 Trump has another problem, with a Russia ally, Iran. Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 14 2025 2:09 utc | 258 VVP to DJT’s team: Remember that document we sent you in December 2021-?” Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 2:12 utc | 259 Don’t underestimate the W.I.I.F.M.A. factor for DJT: What’s in it for me again–? Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 2:43 utc | 260
I wonder whether you personally would be ale to survive a week in Russian penal system. Posted by: Rutte | Mar 14 2025 2:54 utc | 261 I listened to Ritter with Nima today. I liked Ritter’s formulation but he is so bi-polar on Trump day-to-day that I can’t trust his conclusions (yet0. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 3:01 utc | 262 I listened to Ritter with Nima today. I liked Ritter’s formulation but he is so bi-polar on Trump day-to-day that I can’t trust his conclusions (yet). Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 3:02 utc | 263 #246 Naive Posted by: kpax | Mar 14 2025 3:03 utc | 264 In my wishful thinking opinion, China has demonstrated that it’s ready to support whatever decision Putin makes about the Eurotrash fake war in Ukraine. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 14 2025 3:18 utc | 265 Rutte | Mar 14 2025 2:54 utc | 263– Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2025 23:38 utc | 229 Posted by: Newbie | Mar 14 2025 3:44 utc | 267 I think the 30 day ceasefire is just a dirty trap. If Putin goes along with it, it will just give Ukraine time to re-arm and reform its lines and Trump has already caved in on supplying US weapons including long range missiles. Posted by: George | Mar 14 2025 3:51 utc | 268 Gunners Shot / Dance With Bears – Special – Russia Ukraine War Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 14 2025 3:53 utc | 269 Narcissus died while staring at his own image reflected in a pond. I am speculating that Trump now drunk on power and utter self-admiration who is clearly creating potential enemies everywhere from Greenland to Panama, Canada, Russia, China, Europe, the Middle East and Arabia, as well as Mexico and Mexican drug cartels, steel and aluminium producers, and half of US politics in terms of Democrat supporters (some who are wild cards), whether he will provoke someone who will bring about his demise. Posted by: George | Mar 14 2025 4:19 utc | 270 steel_porcupine, very nice; LoveDonbass, correct. Posted by: Markw | Mar 14 2025 4:20 utc | 271 Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2025 18:14 utc | 102 Posted by: juliania | Mar 14 2025 4:25 utc | 272 Whomever runs a vargas account is having a whole lot of fun lately. Posted by: boneless | Mar 14 2025 5:09 utc | 273 @ Don Bacon | Mar 14 2025 1:58 utc | 258 Posted by: james | Mar 14 2025 5:19 utc | 274 what putin said according to RT – READ IN FULL: Putin’s statement on Trump’s Ukraine ceasefire proposal Posted by: james | Mar 14 2025 5:24 utc | 275 “The gents @ The Duran were *trapped* in a livestream w/ a stodgy British admiral just as news broke from the Lukashenko press conference of VVP’s “interest in a ceasefire, a readiness for a ceasefire,” if the “nuances” are worked through …” Posted by: juliania | Mar 14 2025 5:25 utc | 276 Thank you very, very much, karlof1 at| Mar 13 2025 21:51 utc | 205. That is a remarkable feat of translation – with all we were trying to comprehend as well! It really puts it all in context. Posted by: juliania | Mar 14 2025 6:15 utc | 277
I sure did not mean you. But Cynic would piggyback anyone to badmouth Russia. Posted by: Rutte | Mar 14 2025 7:04 utc | 278 Nevertheless, no matter how well played, diplomatic & steadfast Putin/Russia is managing the Trump hand grenade and fakery behind the resolute desk, even those that understand & are tolerate of Putins back to verbiage of “of partners” recently, his allies and those that believed his former “the West is evil incarnate” narratives, are now cooling to his touch. Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 14 2025 7:59 utc | 279 Did the meeting with Witkoff even take place ? Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 14 2025 8:05 utc | 280 Did the meeting with Witkoff even take place ? Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 14 2025 8:21 utc | 281
Assuming the Trump administration is sincere when saying they want the war to end, someone is salting their pancakes. Posted by: Passerby | Mar 14 2025 8:23 utc | 282 Hey—Richard Kemp-! Cry louder. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 8:31 utc | 283 272 Posted by: Jo | Mar 14 2025 8:37 utc | 284 I get the feeling that Trump has decided to commence wwiii since he cannot deal with Russia..taking on Iran and others one on one is too slow. Posted by: snake | Mar 14 2025 8:59 utc | 285 Looks like AFU left behind a lot of latest western technology in Kursk region… Abrams tanks, M777 guns with full ammunition, new drone and EW equipment. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 14 2025 9:13 utc | 286 Posted by: Hot Carl | Mar 13 2025 15:48 utc | 26 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 14 2025 9:21 utc | 287 Donald Trump Posted by: Simon | Mar 14 2025 9:39 utc | 288
Lol! Like when Cullen Baker said that Trump doesn’t give a fuck about Ukraine and I replied that for Trump not giving a fuck about Ukraine he certainly is trying very hard to get his way in the Russo-Ukrainian war. It looks like VVP is mocking DJT in the same way: Why do you care so much? Is it any of your business? Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 14 2025 9:43 utc | 289 Ukraine staged major drone strikes on Moscow overnight just hours after Volodymyr Zelensky accused Vladimir Putin of seeking to thwart Donald Trump’s ceasefire plan. Posted by: Jo | Mar 14 2025 10:01 utc | 290 “We are decades past peak economically recoverable energy resources, the very basis of our modern world. Everyone knows this, it’s not some kind of secret. Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 14 2025 10:02 utc | 291
i am getting so tired of british everything. is that the “palace” of nawalny fame? Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 14 2025 10:20 utc | 292 lex Brandon Posted by: Jo | Mar 14 2025 10:21 utc | 293 DS daily map update: Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 14 2025 10:36 utc | 294 Seems to me that until DT replies to VP requested required answers to his nuances as he wants them …no point in negotiation.
I agree with what Paul Craig Roberts has said on Nima’s live broadcast, Trump should have met first with Putin about the ceasefire and then present a deal to Zelensky, not the other way around. Meanwhile Trump tries to put even more pressure on Russia by new sanctions and not extending the exemption for the purchase of russian oil by the EU countries. The flow of weapons from the US to Ukraine has never really stopped. Same with intel and satellite data. Mind you the intel and data he supposedly stopped providing Ukraine were only for Russia’s pre 2014 borders. Providing ISR and satellite data for the new oblasts and even Crimea never stopped as they are parts of Ukraine in the US’s view. Either Trump “got the call” or wasn’t negotiating in a good faith from the start. Posted by: 5thcolumn | Mar 14 2025 10:46 utc | 295 Through Witkoff, Putin conveyed information and additional signals for President Trump,” Peskov stated. Posted by: Jo | Mar 14 2025 11:03 utc | 296 I saw the indexes, the introductions. I’ll try to find a way to get them (I live in Brazil). I found them very interesting. Thanks! Posted by: General Factotum | Mar 14 2025 11:06 utc | 297 Even the closure of the Kursk adventure this week has the reek of theatre about it. Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 14 2025 11:09 utc | 298 🇪🇺🇺🇦Brussels is promising Ukraine EU membership in exchange for continuing the war with Russia, Orban said. Posted by: Jo | Mar 14 2025 11:15 utc | 299 Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 16:48 utc | 56 Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 14 2025 11:18 utc | 300 |
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