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March 13, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-051
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Sun Of Alabama @ 93
That’s quite the eye opening statistic. MoA is a good for insights. Thanks. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2025 18:14 utc | 101 Been busy watching Nima’s chats and just now have read what Putin said at the presser. Here are the two main points Putin made: More immediately, right now, Russia has uncovered ample documented evidence of war crimes in the Kursk villages that have been liberated; Sudzha is emerging as a major crime scene. The UN, as a body, lacks will & clout, but it is still a way to publicize and air the evidence Russia has found. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 18:14 utc | 103 Oh Dear! Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2025 18:16 utc | 104 Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 18:08 utc | 97 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 13 2025 18:18 utc | 105 War crimes is the new normal. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2025 18:22 utc | 106 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2025 18:14 utc | 101 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 13 2025 18:24 utc | 107 RT (Tass) Posted by: berthold | Mar 13 2025 18:28 utc | 108 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 18:11 utc | 98 Posted by: Mario | Mar 13 2025 18:29 utc | 109 steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 18:14 utc | 103–
Putin also raised the issue of the terrorists who remain in Kursk as one of the unsolvable issues related to the proposed ceasefire. Those many small attacks aren’t as spectacular as the massive events that have previously occurred, but combined they become larger. The more widespread drone and other attacks are on Russia the more Russians will demand justice for those crimes. Indeed, more are finally saying the entire affair from the coup onwards is one massive crime, which is 100% correct.
Ah, but how many Tuscan Vineyards does Russia have? Posted by: Bill Jones | Mar 13 2025 18:31 utc | 111 @ karlof1 | Mar 13 2025 18:14 utc | 102 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 13 2025 18:32 utc | 112 Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2025 18:14 utc | 102 Posted by: Paco | Mar 13 2025 18:33 utc | 113 Putin To Formulate Russia’s Position on Temporary Ceasefire in Ukraine – Kremlin Aide Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 13 2025 18:34 utc | 114 “Western media is spinning what Putin said as a polite way of saying no and/or as a prelude to obstructive negotiations designed to scupper any ceasefire. Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2025 18:39 utc | 115 The gents @ The Duran were *trapped* in a livestream w/ a stodgy British admiral just as news broke from the Lukashenko press conference of VVP’s “interest in a ceasefire, a readiness for a ceasefire,” if the “nuances” are worked through. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 18:39 utc | 116 With the ceasefire on hold, press attention can now turn to the Kursk Region and Sudzha—because what else is there to write about-? Posted by: malenkov | Mar 13 2025 18:42 utc | 117 My American friends Posted by: malenkov | Mar 13 2025 18:45 utc | 118 Sorry, Vlad, a temporary ceasefire has no purpose and if extended also fails. One is reminded of the US armistice in Korea, seventy-one years and counting. . . . Wait a minute — he knows that. Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 13 2025 18:48 utc | 119 Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2025 18:31 utc | 110 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 18:51 utc | 120 What politicians think is one thing…what the Russians themselves think about such a ceasefire is another. Posted by: berthold | Mar 13 2025 18:53 utc | 121 I’m saying, Crimea *was not* and *is not* a Crime Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 18:56 utc | 123 108 – Putin is saying “Yes repeat no”, it seems to me, as I don’t see Kiev ceasing to mobilise, acquire weapons or train troops during the 30 days. For them the whole point is to pull themselves together after the undoubted drubbing in Sudzha. Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 13 2025 18:56 utc | 124 RT – Putin today Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 13 2025 18:58 utc | 125 I’m saying, Crimea *was not* and *is not* a Crime Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 13 2025 18:58 utc | 126 There are rumors, that Putin and Trump intend to use Ukraine as a poison chalice to finish off the European Union. This is based on leaving the reconstruction of Ukraine to the EU, costs which it can never bare. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 19:02 utc | 127 Live Updates from the nytimes: Putin Stops Far Short of Agreeing to a Cease-Fire, but Says He Is Open to One<< President Vladimir V. Putin voiced very preliminary support for the 30-day cease-fire proposal from the United States and Ukraine, but said that a number of “questions” remained. The Russian leader on Thursday made it clear he was in no hurry to agree to a cease-fire and wanted to continue negotiating with President Trump, telling reporters that Russia was in favor of a 30-day truce — but with numerous conditions. Speaking with the NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte in the Oval, DJT said there are “very serious discussions” with Putin and others as they try to finalize a 30-day cease-fire deal. “We’d like to see a cease-fire from Russia,” DJT told reporters. When asked if he will speak with VVP, DJT said he would “love to meet” and talk with him. << So the nytimes and DJT are keeping their powder dry. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 19:02 utc | 128 Posted by: Markw | Mar 13 2025 17:49 utc | 86 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 13 2025 19:03 utc | 129 119 – A Korea-type armistice is one way this thing ends. Not that I favour such an outcome, but it is a real possibility. Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 13 2025 19:04 utc | 130 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 19:02 utc | 127 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 19:06 utc | 131 Synchronized swimmers are very good w/ finances. Must be all the controlled respiration and breathing oxygen through submerged tubes. Reminiscent of the pneumatic tubes in banking lanes. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 19:08 utc | 132 No news is good news. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 13 2025 19:09 utc | 133 Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 13 2025 19:04 utc | 130 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 13 2025 19:13 utc | 134 Oh-oh… Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 19:15 utc | 135 wow usual UK channel 4 rubbish ..Putin is negative, procrastinates, says no to an unconditional ceasefire. Posted by: Jo | Mar 13 2025 19:19 utc | 136 @Don Bacon | Mar 13 2025 18:48 utc | 119 Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2025 19:20 utc | 137 Posted by: Jo | Mar 13 2025 19:19 utc | 136 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 19:23 utc | 138 Classic Judo move, redirection. Posted by: Suresh | Mar 13 2025 19:24 utc | 139 Reading msm live feed on this in europe and politicians are all over the place, saying everything and anything that could be said. Almost funny. Posted by: Ornot | Mar 13 2025 19:25 utc | 140 steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:49 utc | 85 Posted by: Cynic | Mar 13 2025 19:26 utc | 141 It seems to me that the big question at this moment is – will the Ukrainian military keep retreating and surrendering across the contact line? Was Kursk an exception or will we witness their national collapse? This, by its self, could signal why they want a ceasefire right away – to stop defeat from going nonlinear. If so, Russia should accelerate the fighting into their collapse. Posted by: Satepestage | Mar 13 2025 19:27 utc | 142 @124 Posted by: paddy | Mar 13 2025 19:28 utc | 143 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 19:02 utc | 127 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 13 2025 19:29 utc | 144 Russian will talk, but will not pause the fighting. Posted by: Passerby | Mar 13 2025 19:29 utc | 145 We shouldn’t forget that President Putin always compiles his commentary and addresses with the Rest Of The World/Global South/Global Majority in mind, most of whom would have seen the US ‘proposals’ as a complete non-starter; he’s now confirmed that they are indeed a complete non-starter. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 13 2025 19:29 utc | 146 BREAKING: Inevitable Western Media Blackout on This… Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 13 2025 19:33 utc | 147 Vladimire Putin has it ! Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 13 2025 19:35 utc | 148 He moans like a priest in church Posted by: too scents | Mar 13 2025 19:35 utc | 149 Well now that Putin is positive to a ceasefire my nagging feeling that something is wrong with this adventure is getting stronger. Posted by: Paul from Norway | Mar 13 2025 19:35 utc | 150 Posted by: berthold | Mar 13 2025 18:11 utc | 99 Posted by: Naive | Mar 13 2025 19:36 utc | 151 What the delightful Julia squealed in 2014…… Posted by: Cynic | Mar 13 2025 19:38 utc | 152 Putin’s (IMO genius) response via Simplicious. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 13 2025 19:39 utc | 153 What Putin said is the highly diplomatic version of GFY, its an art that both the Russian and Chinese leadership greatly understands – messaging in a way that maintains decorum while delivering a blunt message. Of course the US leadership is completely inept at such things. Posted by: Roger Boyd | Mar 13 2025 19:42 utc | 154 Posted by: Cynic | Mar 13 2025 19:26 utc | 141 Posted by: Paul from Norway | Mar 13 2025 19:42 utc | 155 Over at Smoothies @Larch445 has posted a transcript from kremlin.ru: https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2025/03/here-is-your-response-verbatim.html including this nugget:
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 13 2025 19:43 utc | 156 War crimes is the new normal. Posted by: Naive | Mar 13 2025 19:49 utc | 157 Posted by: Roger Boyd | Mar 13 2025 19:42 utc | 154 Posted by: Naive | Mar 13 2025 19:50 utc | 158 Britain is on course to becoming a ‘second tier’ European nation like Spain or Italy due to economic decline and a weak military that undermines its usefulness to allies, an expert has warned. Posted by: Jo | Mar 13 2025 19:52 utc | 159 “Been busy watching Nima’s chats and just now have read what Putin said at the presser. Here are the two main points Putin made: Posted by: antcafe | Mar 13 2025 19:54 utc | 160 Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 13 2025 19:04 utc | 130 Posted by: Naive | Mar 13 2025 19:57 utc | 161 karlof1 | Mar 13 2025 18:31 utc | 110 Posted by: Cynic | Mar 13 2025 20:02 utc | 162 Posted by: Roger Boyd | Mar 13 2025 19:42 utc | 154 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 13 2025 20:06 utc | 163 Posted by: Cynic | Mar 13 2025 20:02 utc | 162 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 20:09 utc | 164 what he (Trump) said was simply primitive and stupid, and partly a lie. Posted by: Menz | Mar 13 2025 20:13 utc | 165 @ Waldorf | Mar 13 2025 19:04 utc | 130 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 13 2025 20:19 utc | 166 My guess is that the Kiev forces who surrendered in Kursk were actual kiev forces who will end up back with their families at some stage, but those who skidaddled as quick as they could were mercenaries, whom, if caught, might well be executed. Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 13 2025 20:32 utc | 167 Menz@165….no one dies playing Chess or Monopoly…..surely you can tell the difference…. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 13 2025 20:33 utc | 168 161 – Denazification and demilitarisation would mean taking on NATO directly and inflicting all-out regime change on Kiev, which Putin has shown no stomach for. Remember, captured Nazis were traded back to their own side in prisoner exchanges in Mariupol, which was an odd interpretation of denazification. An outright confrontation with NATO might spell nuclear war and it may be wise to avoid such a risk, but it is hardly demilitarisation of Ukraine when NATO can keep arming up its protege. I have seen no sign Putin or the Russian government are prepared for the sort of guerre a l’outrance that denazification and demilitarisation would mean, which is why a Korea-style armistice outcome is a strong possibility. Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 13 2025 20:34 utc | 169 berthold — as someone said, President Trump’s opponents take him literally but not seriously. The rest of us take him seriously but not literally. Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Mar 13 2025 20:34 utc | 170 Posted by: Roger Boyd | Mar 13 2025 19:42 utc | 154 Posted by: Markw | Mar 13 2025 20:36 utc | 171 AFU attack in Toretsk has reportedly been defeated/stopped. That is another ‘trump card’ gone from Zelensky. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 20:40 utc | 172 Anyone have any solid info on whether Ukraine signed the “minerals” deal? If so, what details? Melaleuca Posted by: in-my-view | Mar 13 2025 20:41 utc | 173 Further to my last comment… Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 13 2025 20:43 utc | 174 1. Ain’t going to happen when the US government is spending $7 trillion a year. Which ultimately end up as business profits. Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 13 2025 20:45 utc | 175 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 18:51 utc | 120 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 13 2025 20:46 utc | 176 I’m wondering where usa will find negotiators and diplomats capable of making a peace deal. It’s been a fair few decades where they grew cobwebs, relying on do as i say. Or maybe they rushing some through university as we speak for future needs Posted by: Hankster | Mar 13 2025 20:47 utc | 177 This should help things along nicely:
https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/news/2025/03/13/7207140/ (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 13 2025 20:49 utc | 178 Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 13 2025 20:45 utc | 175 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 20:51 utc | 179 Ukraine fires drones with anti-personnel cluster munitions deliberately at civilian areas on Moscow. Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 13 2025 20:54 utc | 180 I’m becoming more and more convinced that this war will only end when both sides become completely exhausted, like Iran and Iraq during their decade-long war in the 80s. Posted by: Definitely Not Me | Mar 13 2025 20:56 utc | 181 @ karlof1 | Mar 13 2025 18:14 utc | 102 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 13 2025 20:58 utc | 182 Here’s the problem: Trump wants out but due to DS opposition (domestic & foreign), cannot (yet) admit defeat. Putin/Russia are more than aware of this conundrum, so they must play the part of polite adversary; fair but firm. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 13 2025 21:02 utc | 183 Most funny thing about that “Ball is in your court” thing is that the ball is not a ball but a bomb that will explode at any given time xD Posted by: Macpott | Mar 13 2025 21:03 utc | 184 @Paddy com:143 (reply to 124) Posted by: weeC | Mar 13 2025 21:05 utc | 185 Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 13 2025 20:32 utc | 167 Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 21:06 utc | 186 Ukraine thinking ahead, preparing the Drohne Volkssturm for the final days:
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2025 21:10 utc | 187
Posted by: Definitely Not Me | Mar 13 2025 20:56 utc | 181 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 13 2025 21:11 utc | 188 Putin completely forgot to mention that as a condition for a ceasefire, western Ukraine, i.e. everything up to the Dnieper, would be immediately admitted to the EU – so that everyone in Brussels could really celebrate the EU victory. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Mar 13 2025 21:11 utc | 189 Which will make Madame Lagarde, a former synchronized swimmer, all the more intent on tapping private savings accounts in EU banks. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 13 2025 21:13 utc | 190 RF President Putin was quite impressive with the statement alongside the ByeloRussian President Lukashenko. Details, details, you cannot fail with details. Posted by: NH | Mar 13 2025 21:14 utc | 191 I love me the smell of oligarch feuds as shown by Reuters
Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 13 2025 21:17 utc | 192 Posted by: NH | Mar 13 2025 21:14 utc | 191 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 21:19 utc | 193 My opinion is war with China will be a world war. Iran and Russia will be participants. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 13 2025 21:22 utc | 194 Surprise, surprise… just yesterday I stated that Russia could kick the ceasefire can right back at the US with “conditions” and damned if it doesn’t pan out exactly that way. There’s no way Ukraine agrees to ANY conditions therefore it’s the West that’s exposed as not truly wanting peace. Nobody plays chess like the Russians. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 13 2025 21:25 utc | 195 Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 13 2025 21:25 utc | 195 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 13 2025 21:26 utc | 196 Again, no offense to any of my American friends at the bar. I don’t hate you. I hate what your country does. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 13 2025 21:27 utc | 197 Posted by: NH | Mar 13 2025 21:14 utc | 191 Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 21:31 utc | 198 Agitating for a primary war of aggression, such as against China, should be a capital offence. Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 13 2025 21:35 utc | 199 There is no way zelensky would be acepted into the EU or NATO. And no way he will be acepted by America. Thats an end to it. Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 13 2025 21:38 utc | 200 |
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