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March 13, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-051
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Karl, RhythmicSlang, and our informed barflies…. Anyone have any solid info on whether Ukraine signed the “minerals” deal? If so, what details? Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 13 2025 14:42 utc | 1 Looks like Sudzha is in the hands of the Russians. Posted by: Tony Jackson | Mar 13 2025 14:45 utc | 2 Moon of Alabama got a tip of the hat from another website today. Posted by: Otto Penn | Mar 13 2025 14:51 utc | 3 @Posted by: Otto Penn | Mar 13 2025 14:51 utc | 3 Posted by: Otto Penn | Mar 13 2025 14:52 utc | 4 No surprise that RF rejected that 30 day respite for the Nazi regime. Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2025 14:59 utc | 5 Anyone have any solid info on whether Ukraine signed the “minerals” deal? Posted by: too scents | Mar 13 2025 15:01 utc | 6 Melaleuca | Mar 13 2025 14:42 utc | 1–
In other words, Nyet! Others have provided similar answers. The other side has proven it cannot be trusted. Period. @ Melaleuca | Mar 13 2025 14:42 utc | 1 Posted by: james | Mar 13 2025 15:05 utc | 8 Posted by: Otto Penn | Mar 13 2025 14:52 utc | 4 Posted by: heavymetal101 | Mar 13 2025 15:05 utc | 9 It seems to me that the big question at this moment is – will the Ukrainian military keep retreating and surrendering across the contact line? Was Kursk an exception or will we witness their national collapse? This, by its self, could signal why they want a ceasefire right away – to stop defeat from going nonlinear. If so, Russia should accelerate the fighting into their collapse. Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 13 2025 15:06 utc | 10 will the Ukrainian military keep retreating and surrendering across the contact line? Was Kursk an exception or will we witness their national collapse? Posted by: too scents | Mar 13 2025 15:15 utc | 11 Makes me wonder why it’s filtered. Posted by: Zet | Mar 13 2025 15:26 utc | 12 Whitkoff to meet Putin behind closed doors tonight. Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 13 2025 15:29 utc | 13 Trump and the US doubling down on stupid sanctions Posted by: Ezzie | Mar 13 2025 15:32 utc | 14 Do you mean that webside ad here in the comments “useful to some” by busker ? Posted by: Klaus | Mar 13 2025 15:34 utc | 16 Karl, RhythmicSlang, and our informed barflies…. Anyone have any solid info on whether Ukraine signed the “minerals” deal? If so, what details? Posted by: kupkee | Mar 13 2025 15:37 utc | 17 In other words, Nyet! Others have provided similar answers. The other side has proven it cannot be trusted. Period. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 13 2025 15:39 utc | 18 Posted by: Ezzie | Mar 13 2025 15:32 utc | 14 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 15:39 utc | 19 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 15:39 utc | 19 Posted by: Ezzie | Mar 13 2025 15:43 utc | 20 Putin thanks Trump for giving Ukraine his attention. He has agreed to the ceasefire. Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 13 2025 15:43 utc | 21 Makes me wonder why it’s filtered. Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 13 2025 15:43 utc | 22 who has signing authority for Ukraine? Posted by: snake | Mar 13 2025 15:44 utc | 24 will the Ukrainian military keep retreating and surrendering across the contact line? Was Kursk an exception or will we witness their national collapse? Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 13 2025 15:45 utc | 25 There is a 15 to 1 ratio Posted by: Hot Carl | Mar 13 2025 15:48 utc | 26 I think someone hijacked Night Trippers handle. No news source is reporting that. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 13 2025 15:49 utc | 27 I think someone hijacked Night Trippers handle. No news source is reporting that. Posted by: Feck | Mar 13 2025 15:52 utc | 28 Russia spent $ 250 billion on ukraine and killed 1,200,000 ukrainian soldiers costing $ 208,333 to kill 1 ukrainian soldier. Posted by: kupkee | Mar 13 2025 15:56 utc | 29 too scents and Melaleuca Posted by: aristodemos | Mar 13 2025 15:56 utc | 30 Karlof@1503 March 13 Posted by: aristodemos | Mar 13 2025 16:04 utc | 31 The Pipeline Raid Of Sudzha, the real story Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Mar 13 2025 16:07 utc | 32 Got the final part of the Putin Lukashenko presser, Zarubin has a six minute cut about the ceasefire, of course a great idea¡¡ But then the details, and lot’s of them, so while not rebuking the US he just gave the order of battle for the main problem to be solved, security for all, and that’s going to take quite a while, the time to finish the Operation. Diplomacy, clear ideas, and clarity to lay them out. Posted by: Paco | Mar 13 2025 16:21 utc | 33 13 March 2025 Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2025 16:22 utc | 34 VVP endorses the idea of a ceasefire, but one which must lead to a lasting peace and must address the underlying issues. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 16:26 utc | 35 RF will agree to an immediate ceasefire if………………………………………….. Posted by: tobias cole | Mar 13 2025 16:29 utc | 36 The Jeddah ceasefire has now triggered VVP’s inner lawyer. Beaucoup riders. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 16:29 utc | 37 @NightTripper Being in favour of one does not necessarily mean agreeing to one …. Posted by: Newbie | Mar 13 2025 16:30 utc | 38 No, the comments are classic Night Tripper; there was no kick hijack. Posted by: malenkov | Mar 13 2025 16:30 utc | 39 Chuba 32 – Stop smoking that really bad Kieve crack……… Posted by: tobias cole | Mar 13 2025 16:31 utc | 40 Calm down. There is NO ceasefire agreed now. Putin said the same conditions for ceasefire he has been saying since late 2021. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 16:31 utc | 41 Meloni says Nyet! Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2025 16:32 utc | 42 and Ukraine is neutralized permanently like Switzerland was prior to 2022………. Posted by: tobias cole | Mar 13 2025 16:32 utc | 43 Not surprising at all. Posted by: Mario | Mar 13 2025 16:33 utc | 44 VVP is ready for a ceasefire, saying, “We don’t agree at the moment, but if the conditions are right we are ready.” Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 16:37 utc | 45 Fair enough, lets see what comes out of the Witkoff discussion later. There is clearly no ceasefire as of now. Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 13 2025 16:38 utc | 46 When you think it cant be worse, Tom Luongo and Alex Krainer sitting i Plato’s cave and trying to make sence of the world: Posted by: Paul from Norway | Mar 13 2025 16:38 utc | 47 @Malenkov Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 13 2025 16:40 utc | 48 Snake@24: Posted by: SLM | Mar 13 2025 16:41 utc | 49 With the ceasefire on hold, press attention can now turn to the Kursk Region and Sudzha—because what else is there to write about-? Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 16:41 utc | 50 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 13 2025 16:40 utc | 48 Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 13 2025 16:42 utc | 51 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 13 2025 16:40 utc | 48 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 16:44 utc | 52 19# Posted by: Lubomir | Mar 13 2025 16:44 utc | 53 I *do* hope Mr. Witkoff has time enough to hear about Yaroslav the Wise when he sits down w/ VVP today, especially the long version. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 16:45 utc | 54 NT – no worries, as I wrote, we’re all struggling with the news flow, a lying press, fake news, AI, shitposts, etc. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 13 2025 16:45 utc | 55 Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 13 2025 15:43 utc | 21 Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 16:48 utc | 56 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 16:44 utc | 52 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 13 2025 16:49 utc | 57 Putin just pushed the poisoned chalice back to Trump, “I’m honored, but in my country tradition says the guest honors us by drinking first”. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2025 16:54 utc | 58 Smart move by Putin with a conditional YES reply. He has hit the ball back to the other side with a lot of power and to-spin. Posted by: NGWY | Mar 13 2025 16:56 utc | 59 Moon of Alabama got a tip of the hat from another website today. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 13 2025 16:57 utc | 60 Night Tripper@51…..for whatever reason….how about 4k+/- dead per week, some of them Russians…..reason enough for anyone not stealing money from a soldier’s widow….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 13 2025 17:02 utc | 61 Mar 12, 2025 – European Parliament Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 13 2025 17:02 utc | 62 I feel like this war is going to be Trump’s undoing. Dude foolishly went all in on promises he’s gonna end the war and is now slowly being backed into a corner. Unless he can get Zelensky deposed and replaced by someone more cooperative, he doesn’t seem to have much of a choice. He can’t go all in on support for Ukraine because he knows the stick isn’t likely to work on Russia and he’d just be Biden 2.0, and he can’t outright abandon Ukraine because it’s gonna be a terrible look. One can guess how he’s gonna react to the realization that he can’t be the peacemaker he aspires to be but odds are whatever he does will come back to bite him in the behind. Posted by: zeigdeinepapiere | Mar 13 2025 17:02 utc | 63 “We are in favor of it,” VVP said, referencing a possible ceasefire, “but there are nuances.” Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:02 utc | 64 Lubomir @ 53
Maybe getting shot once was enough? Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2025 17:02 utc | 65 Prediction: DJT will put a bigly positive spin on VVP’s desire to peer into the “nuances” of the potential ceasefire plan. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:08 utc | 66 There is a 15 to 1 ratio Posted by: jpc | Mar 13 2025 17:10 utc | 67 Lukashenko just said if Russia/US reach a ‘deal’ of Ukraine, the EU will be screwed. Wonder what he means by that… Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 17:11 utc | 68 @68 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 17:16 utc | 69 At least, by now, Trump has grasped one supremely important fact, the Kiev regime is being run out of Europe. Posted by: Oswald | Mar 13 2025 17:19 utc | 70 Sec Rubio and Mike Waltz isolated Yermak and his Ukrainian team in Jeddah—far from the D.C. scene w/ its quite active Ukraine Lobby & neocon senators—and made sure that Zelensky could not gatecrash the proceedings. Moreover, they put the pressure on: 8.5 hours of discussion. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:25 utc | 71 Zelensky now is indeed the new Churchill–! Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:27 utc | 72 Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Mar 13 2025 16:07 utc | 32 Posted by: Paul from Norway | Mar 13 2025 17:29 utc | 73 The pipeline heroes of Kursk will march across Red Square on 9 May. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:30 utc | 74 @68 and 69 Posted by: CullenBaker | Mar 13 2025 17:30 utc | 75 @ Melaleuca | Mar 13 2025 14:42 utc | 1 Posted by: I forgot | Mar 13 2025 17:35 utc | 76 Regarding Project Ukraine, so far the U.S. is moving *toward* Russia, and Russia is gentling that movement forward. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:35 utc | 77 The resolution of the situation in Ukraine requires long-term agreements rather than the 30-day ceasefire proposed by the losing party [US of A and NATO]. A lasting and sustainable peace in Ukraine, requires certain <’non-negotiable’> conditions all of which were clearly stipulated last year by the Supreme Commander in Chief of the Russian Federation, Russian President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (VVP). Posted by: pepe | Mar 13 2025 17:37 utc | 78 As far as negotiations go, VVP will definitely see that DJT is *in a hurry* and VVP will keep this information top-of-mind in his most immediately retrievable random access memory as he calibrates his own negotiation pace. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:40 utc | 79 I told you in the other thread that Putin would name his conditions for a ceasefire and it will now get done. I find his conditions to be actually less demanding than imagined. Posted by: CullenBaker | Mar 13 2025 17:41 utc | 80 RT Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 13 2025 17:42 utc | 81 Guaranteed: DJT will be begging VVP to sponsor his membership in BRICS+ Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:42 utc | 82 Posted by: CullenBaker | Mar 13 2025 17:30 utc | 75 Posted by: Mario | Mar 13 2025 17:42 utc | 83 Maybe Lukashenko could offer Belovezhskaya Pushcha for any future talks. Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 13 2025 17:46 utc | 84 Yulia Timochenko was the only Ukrainian DJT invited to his inauguration, and she was seated prominently in the Rotunda during the swearing in. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:49 utc | 85 zeigdeinepapiere | Mar 13 2025 17:02 utc | 63 Posted by: Markw | Mar 13 2025 17:49 utc | 86 My read on EU regarding this – the EU and satraps do NOT want a real political settlement regarding Ukraine. The EU wants a ‘ceasefire’ which ensures the war continues soon and rearm Ukraine. Already I am reading EU is ready to send troops and arms as peacekeepers to Ukraine, and they might be planning to involve Baltic states, Finland and Poland to war with Russia. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 17:50 utc | 87 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 17:11 utc | 68 Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 17:53 utc | 88 Post got deleted (auto filtered) when I mentioned the website, though. Posted by: grunzt | Mar 13 2025 17:55 utc | 89 French defense ministry already teaching new recruits the *pipeline slither* as part of their intensive training. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:59 utc | 90 13 March 2025 Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2025 18:02 utc | 91 DJT says he wants the killing to stop, but that is not how a hegemon sustains itself. A hegemony wants *primacy* not peace. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 18:04 utc | 92 A stock market chart guy I trust says if the SP breaks below 5490 or so, which we’re about 40 pts or so away from, it’s confirmed top, and likely a long term bear market of 13-20 YEARS has begun. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 13 2025 18:05 utc | 93 Posted by: Otto Penn | Mar 13 2025 14:52 utc | 4 Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 18:05 utc | 94 I feel like US are caught in an in-between about the hegemony (the end of history) and multi-polarity (the beginning of another history). Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 13 2025 18:06 utc | 95 Anyone ever think that the Russians are done being suckers and are now doing a reverse Minsk I – II – Istanbul, i.e, the Russians are now pulling the USA’s leg, stringing it along? Not saying it is but it could be. Hard to cheat a cheater, though. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2025 18:07 utc | 96 Posted by: Ezzie | Mar 13 2025 15:32 utc | 14 Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 18:08 utc | 97 The EU-elites, so giddy about their ceasefire game—“the ball is in Russia’s court”—expected Russia to hit the ball back to them. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 18:11 utc | 98 I have to say it or I’ll explode Posted by: berthold | Mar 13 2025 18:11 utc | 99 |
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