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March 13, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-051

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Karl, RhythmicSlang, and our informed barflies…. Anyone have any solid info on whether Ukraine signed the “minerals” deal? If so, what details?
As is exactly as the TrumpTeam want, there’s a lot of carnival noise distracting from what is exactly being locked down.
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Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 13 2025 14:42 utc | 1

Looks like Sudzha is in the hands of the Russians.
You have to admit, Ukraine begging for a thirty-day ceasefire the same week Russia retakes Ukraine’s only remaining leverage is a pretty transparently hilarious state of affairs.

Posted by: Tony Jackson | Mar 13 2025 14:45 utc | 2

Moon of Alabama got a tip of the hat from another website today.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Mar 13 2025 14:51 utc | 3

@Posted by: Otto Penn | Mar 13 2025 14:51 utc | 3
Post got deleted (auto filtered) when I mentioned the website, though.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Mar 13 2025 14:52 utc | 4

No surprise that RF rejected that 30 day respite for the Nazi regime.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2025 14:59 utc | 5

Anyone have any solid info on whether Ukraine signed the “minerals” deal?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 13 2025 14:42 utc | 1

The real question is how many deals with the same exclusive promises they have signed.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 13 2025 15:01 utc | 6

Melaleuca | Mar 13 2025 14:42 utc | 1–
As previously noted, anything signed by Zelensky is invalid because he’s illegitimate. All the PRs in the universe can’t alter that basic fact.
Lavrov was asked about the proposed truce this morning:

Question: In Saudi Arabia, you discussed with the negotiators, among other things, the issue of a temporary truce, that there will be no temporary truce. Why do they continue to insist on this?
Sergey Lavrov: They are not pushing. The Americans announced that they had discussed this with the Ukrainians. They are waiting for our reaction.
President of Russia Vladimir Putin has said more than once that a truce (as history shows) has been declared more than once since 2014. Both the Minsk Agreements and the agreements that were later destroyed in February 2014, as well as the agreements in Istanbul – all this was associated with the declaration of a truce. Each time after the agreements, it turned out that the Ukrainians lied to us with the support of their “partners”, who are also from Europe.
If the Europeans now want to make sure that the Ukrainians also “fool the Americans,” then I think that the Trump administration understands everything perfectly well and will sort everything out.
We need a sustainable, permanent peace based on addressing the root causes of the current situation in Ukraine.

In other words, Nyet! Others have provided similar answers. The other side has proven it cannot be trusted. Period.
Putin is meeting with Lukashenko today and is supposed to hold a presser when done. Perhaps he’ll add some more depending upon what he gets asked.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2025 15:03 utc | 7

@ Melaleuca | Mar 13 2025 14:42 utc | 1
alex krainer has been following this closely.. perhaps this or one of the other articles covers it best, but here is one for consideration..
Ukraine “rare earths” deal: the empire’s fatal mistake
Rare earths deal is a very British hustle, a cheap rerun of Winston Churchill’s playbook to ensnare the US in World War 2. Now Starmer’s doing it for WW3.
from march 8th..

Posted by: james | Mar 13 2025 15:05 utc | 8

Posted by: Otto Penn | Mar 13 2025 14:52 utc | 4
Yea that “website” has mention MOA more than once. All which I seen on good terms.
Certain people who contribute articles to the “website” consider MOA a reliable source for info.
Makes me wonder why it’s filtered.

Posted by: heavymetal101 | Mar 13 2025 15:05 utc | 9

It seems to me that the big question at this moment is – will the Ukrainian military keep retreating and surrendering across the contact line? Was Kursk an exception or will we witness their national collapse? This, by its self, could signal why they want a ceasefire right away – to stop defeat from going nonlinear. If so, Russia should accelerate the fighting into their collapse.

Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 13 2025 15:06 utc | 10

will the Ukrainian military keep retreating and surrendering across the contact line? Was Kursk an exception or will we witness their national collapse?
Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 13 2025 15:06 utc | 10

Will the bear eat the pig or is his appetite sated? The piggies, and their not very good friends, have prepared a sacrifice in order to find out.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 13 2025 15:15 utc | 11

Makes me wonder why it’s filtered.
Posted by: heavymetal101 | Mar 13 2025 15:05 utc | 9
Dunno which website that is (ZH?) but just to be clear: the filters are not maintained by our host but by the Typepad system this blog is running on.

Posted by: Zet | Mar 13 2025 15:26 utc | 12

Whitkoff to meet Putin behind closed doors tonight.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 13 2025 15:29 utc | 13

Trump and the US doubling down on stupid sanctions
“Treasury has ‘ended the Biden exemption’ that allowed sanctioned Russian banks to process European payments for oil sales. Now no one in Europe can purchase Russian oil”
“this General License 8L, issued in the last days of the Biden Administration, provides a winddown period for financing energy purchases from Russia. That period ended on 12 March. ”
they let it expire and are pretending that it’s going to “bring Russia to the table” WRT

Posted by: Ezzie | Mar 13 2025 15:32 utc | 14

peace negotiations

Posted by: Ezzie | Mar 13 2025 15:33 utc | 15

Do you mean that webside ad here in the comments “useful to some” by busker ?

Posted by: Klaus | Mar 13 2025 15:34 utc | 16

Karl, RhythmicSlang, and our informed barflies…. Anyone have any solid info on whether Ukraine signed the “minerals” deal? If so, what details?
As is exactly as the TrumpTeam want, there’s a lot of carnival noise distracting from what is exactly being locked down.
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Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 13 2025 14:42 utc | 1
Answer: CARNIVAL SHOW. Russia is going to meekly have the Excited States of America on its doorstep extracting Mythical Riches? Snowball at the entrance to Hell.
McGregor (on Tucker) stated the USA has all the “Rare” Earths they need sitting in Coal Slagheaps in Kentucky. No mining necessary, just investment in Processing (inside the Continental USA). But…why mine and process at home when MIC profits are made in Ukraine?

Posted by: kupkee | Mar 13 2025 15:37 utc | 17

In other words, Nyet! Others have provided similar answers. The other side has proven it cannot be trusted. Period.
Putin is meeting with Lukashenko today and is supposed to hold a presser when done. Perhaps he’ll add some more depending upon what he gets asked.
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2025 15:03 utc | 7
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Whitkoff to meet Putin behind closed doors tonight.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 13 2025 15:29 utc | 13
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Is there anything legally communicated by any party?
Zelensky is a civilian. Who speaks and writes for Ukraine? The US cannot represent Ukraine unless it has been officially (and in writing) to do so.
Talk, talk is great. Maybe Witkoff (a light weight and not a diplomat) will learn something. The rest of the Trump Foreign Policy team has provided very little understanding of what the Russians say and want.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 13 2025 15:39 utc | 18

Posted by: Ezzie | Mar 13 2025 15:32 utc | 14
EU is collapsing. The fact that EU commission wants to ‘take control’ of private savings is living proof that EU is collapsing. The main reason for this is the Euro commission itself.
I expect EU to start its unraveling in earnest within a year or two. Blocking Hungary from funds and threatening to expel it and Slovakia is prelude, things and events currently in Romania are prelude in this.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 15:39 utc | 19

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 15:39 utc | 19
so this is a way to chain EU into further subservience to the US?
I’m in the US so I know my perspective of world events is skewed and am trying to grasp the big picture

Posted by: Ezzie | Mar 13 2025 15:43 utc | 20

Putin thanks Trump for giving Ukraine his attention. He has agreed to the ceasefire.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 13 2025 15:43 utc | 21

Makes me wonder why it’s filtered.
Posted by: heavymetal101 | Mar 13 2025 15:05 utc | 9
Did you ever read what they post on China ? It’s all “sectarian mantra” to say the least , so they are not to be trusted on all topics… despite being really good on some.
On a different topic (Kursk bulge), it seemed the 404’s “best units” were already redeployed to Djerzinsk and Krasnoarmiesk last two weeks (that would explain the “counter attacks” registered there.)
So it might have helped the RUAF and it’s affiliated in “enhancing their positions” to say it with purposed formula :).

Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 13 2025 15:43 utc | 22

Putin has surrendered.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 13 2025 15:44 utc | 23

who has signing authority for Ukraine?
in fact that is a question for all nation states..
whose signature in each nation state binds deals the nation state makes?
what if that person is non competent, incompetent to the subject matter of the deal. and so on..
Consider the USA re Biden?
Consider Syria for example.. who could bind Syria by signature today?
Why is not a vote of the electorate needed to bind a nation to a deal?
I suggest the only biding authoritative signature should be one that has been authorized by an affirmative to the deal vote of the governed people in that nation state.
I would love to see that the USA had to get a vote of the Americans it governs before it can sign a treaty or make a deal with a foreign entity.
Article 2, section 2, paragraph 2 of the US constitution says..
(The President) shall have the Power, with the advise and consent of the Senate to make treaties, provided 2/3 of the Senators present concur.
what does 2/3 of the Senators present mean? Does consultation with just three senators, 2 of which concur with the Treaty, <=is that sufficient for the President to bind the nation by his signature to the terms contained within a Treaty?

Posted by: snake | Mar 13 2025 15:44 utc | 24

will the Ukrainian military keep retreating and surrendering across the contact line? Was Kursk an exception or will we witness their national collapse?
Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 13 2025 15:06 utc | 10
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Will the bear eat the pig or is his appetite sated? The piggies, and their not very good friends, have prepared a sacrifice in order to find out.
Posted by: too scents | Mar 13 2025 15:15 utc | 11
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Y’all need to remember that the Russian army stayed in Ukraine beating up the Ukies which they are still doing everyday. It’d be fair to assume that their orders have not changed.
Kursk was assigned to conscripts who by law cannot be assigned outside Russian Federation boundaries as well as various other military and semi-military entities. Green troops take a while to get combat hardened. Looks like they did fine.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 13 2025 15:45 utc | 25

There is a 15 to 1 ratio
The West spent $ 350 billion on ukraine and killed 115,000 Russian soldiers costing $ 3,043,478 to kill 1 Russian soldier.
Russia spent $ 250 billion on ukraine and killed 1,200,000 ukrainian soldiers costing $ 208,333 to kill 1 ukrainian soldier.
If you have more realistic numbers, tell us them and how the math works out

Posted by: Hot Carl | Mar 13 2025 15:48 utc | 26

I think someone hijacked Night Trippers handle. No news source is reporting that.
Trolls are back? I thought USAID cut off the money.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 13 2025 15:49 utc | 27

I think someone hijacked Night Trippers handle. No news source is reporting that.
Trolls are back? I thought USAID cut off the money.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 13 2025 15:49 utc | 27
Putin basically told gersaimov yesterday to build a buffer zone in sumy region. Don’t sound like a ceasefire coming anytime soon
http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/76446

Posted by: Feck | Mar 13 2025 15:52 utc | 28

Russia spent $ 250 billion on ukraine and killed 1,200,000 ukrainian soldiers costing $ 208,333 to kill 1 ukrainian soldier.
If you have more realistic numbers, tell us them and how the math works out
Posted by: Hot Carl | Mar 13 2025 15:48 utc | 26
Russia builds more durable stuff at a lot less cost. Russia is protecting Russia. Cost is interesting, not determinative.

Posted by: kupkee | Mar 13 2025 15:56 utc | 29

too scents and Melaleuca
The minerals deals. Even those agreements which involved lands still held by the Ukes would be open to question. Why? The now doubly illegitimate regime in Kiev is the product of a U$$A designed coup d’ Etat at Maidan in 2014. That was the scene where the legitimate elected government of Ukraine was overthrown by the likes of Robert Kagan’s bitch…along with the Agency and Little Georgie of Our Sorrow$.
As a very legalistic attorney by background; V.V. Putin along with the redoubtable Sergei Lavrov…can readily make the case that any and all agreements/contracts made by the current Kiev Regime…are null and void. Because the R.U. is rapidly destroying the Ukrainian military; those “arrangements” made by the Piano Dick-Tater will be obliterated by force of arms.

Posted by: aristodemos | Mar 13 2025 15:56 utc | 30

Karlof@1503 March 13
Those of us who study these matters in any depth understand well that both the Kiev Regime and the one in the Di$trict of Corruption are AGREEMENT INCAPABLE.
In any event, the military winners do not have to even contemplate outrageous demands from the two primary losers in the ongoing conflicts. When has such an outcome ever occurred in human history. As the victor due to force of arms, it is the province of the R.U. to dictate the terms.
The cease fire hogwash on the part of the Trump regime has absolutely no agency. The initiative is a matter of cover-up and masking of the facts on the ground.

Posted by: aristodemos | Mar 13 2025 16:04 utc | 31

The Pipeline Raid Of Sudzha, the real story
The Russians first sent in the N. Koreans who immediately died from the NG gas. Then they lit up the pipeline to burn their bodies so that they would not be discovered. This explains why we haven’t seen any of the N. Koreans who are there.
This alerted the Ukrainians who were able to organize a kill zone for the Russians to thwart their subsequent meat wave attacks. And then the Ukrainians were able to use Russia’s OWN PIPELINE to do a deep infiltration attack behind Russian lines.
This is the true story of Sudzha, as told by NATO.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Mar 13 2025 16:07 utc | 32

Got the final part of the Putin Lukashenko presser, Zarubin has a six minute cut about the ceasefire, of course a great idea¡¡ But then the details, and lot’s of them, so while not rebuking the US he just gave the order of battle for the main problem to be solved, security for all, and that’s going to take quite a while, the time to finish the Operation. Diplomacy, clear ideas, and clarity to lay them out.
https://t.me/zarubinreporter/3767

Posted by: Paco | Mar 13 2025 16:21 utc | 33

13 March 2025
16:06 GMT
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said that Moscow is in favor of a ceasefire, but has numerous questions about its practical implementation.
The Ukrainian troops in Russia’s Kursk Region are cut off, and it would be unclear what is to be done with them in the event of a truce, he said.
”Are we supposed to let them out, after they committed mass war crimes against civilians? The Ukrainian leadership could tell them to lay down their arms, and just surrender,” the Russian president said.
It is also unclear how the ceasefire would be monitored and enforced, he added.
#15:24 GMT
It is unclear how amenable the US is to Russian demands about demilitarizing and denazifying Ukraine, Yevgeny Primakov, the head of the Russian agency for international cooperation, Rossotrudnichestvo, has said.
”Under any circumstances, Ukraine must not pose a threat to Russia,” he said.
”This means we must prevent any risks of revanchism, which logically entails that Ukraine should not maintain offensive military capabilities or embrace an aggressive Nazi ideology aimed against Russia,” Primakov stressed. This would entail dismantling several social and political institutions active in Ukraine, as well as reforming its education system, he added.
It is unclear how willing the US is to consider these issues, Primakov said.
RT
https://www.rt.com/news/614136-witkoff-moscow-ukraine-talks/
@NightTripper Being in favour of one does not necessarily mean agreeing to one ….

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2025 16:22 utc | 34

VVP endorses the idea of a ceasefire, but one which must lead to a lasting peace and must address the underlying issues.
If the ceasefire agreed to in Jeddah was 2 pages long, it sounds like the one VVP foresees will be 2000 pages long.
Sit down, Mr. Witkoff, and take plenty of notes.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 16:26 utc | 35

RF will agree to an immediate ceasefire if…………………………………………..
– Ukronazi supplies lines to NATO end
– UFA cedes all territory east of the Dneiper River
– Odessa and all Black Sea ports are surrendered immediately
– No NATO or EU membership ever
– Volo is replaced after free elections
– All sanctions terminated immediately
– All cash assets held in western banks are returned intact
– Norstream pipelines are repaired and reopened
In other words….take it or leave it……..no more Minsk I and II nonsense………

Posted by: tobias cole | Mar 13 2025 16:29 utc | 36

The Jeddah ceasefire has now triggered VVP’s inner lawyer. Beaucoup riders.
Ooops, there goes gravity-! Ooops, there goes Rabbity-!

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 16:29 utc | 37

@NightTripper Being in favour of one does not necessarily mean agreeing to one ….
Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2025 16:22 utc | 34
For the Nth time I will remind that a 30 day no planes/drones/rockets air/sea truce might favor artillery heavy RF forces.
Also as I said, the devil is in the details, and putin needs to iron out things with trump.

Posted by: Newbie | Mar 13 2025 16:30 utc | 38

No, the comments are classic Night Tripper; there was no kick hijack.
What Putin said was that Russia is open to a ceasefire PROVIDED THAT certain conditions be met. Those conditions, such as monitoring, will no doubt be unacceptable to the West.
In short, there is no ceasefire.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 13 2025 16:30 utc | 39

Chuba 32 – Stop smoking that really bad Kieve crack………

Posted by: tobias cole | Mar 13 2025 16:31 utc | 40

Calm down. There is NO ceasefire agreed now. Putin said the same conditions for ceasefire he has been saying since late 2021.
‘Ukraine must not pose threats to RF’, which is what Putin stated, can’t mean anything else than physical de-militarization of Ukraine, and no Nato weapon shipments into Ukraine. The ball is in Nato’s court again, and they cannot deliver that.
Ceasefire, in condition the AFU withdraw from all Russian regions (including Kursk, now moot, Kherson, Zaporozhye and Donbass).

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 16:31 utc | 41

Meloni says Nyet!
Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni will no take part in an upcoming video conference proposed by UK and France, in which a so-called “coalition of the willing” intends to increase military support for Ukraine, La Repubblica and La Stampa newspapers have reported.
In its article on Tuesday, La Repubblica said that “it is certain” that Meloni will boycott the virtual meeting of the Western European leaders being convened by British Prime Minister Keir Starmer on Saturday.
The Italian PM reportedly “distances herself from the Franco-British axis” due to her disagreement with the push by London and Paris to send peacekeepers to aid Kiev. Meloni believes that Starmer and French President Emmanuel Macron are “rushing ahead” with their idea, according to La Repubblica.
https://www.rt.com/news/614151-meloni-italy-ukraine-peacekeepers/

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2025 16:32 utc | 42

and Ukraine is neutralized permanently like Switzerland was prior to 2022……….

Posted by: tobias cole | Mar 13 2025 16:32 utc | 43

Not surprising at all.
Russians are fine thinker and diplomats.
USA/WEST/TRUMP Ehi guys this is the big deal now the ball is in your park.
RF Nice play guys, very nice. Now let’s play seriously as adults. Ball in your park again.

Posted by: Mario | Mar 13 2025 16:33 utc | 44

VVP is ready for a ceasefire, saying, “We don’t agree at the moment, but if the conditions are right we are ready.”
<< VVP pulled DJT's fat from the fire. He has diplomatically said "Not yet" to a ceasefire, which isn't a hard door-slamming "No." DJT lives to deal another day. Meanwhile, the Russian Forces can consolidate battlefield gains. It's *full-scale* It's "brutal* It's *unprovoked* It's *ceasefire aggression*

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 16:37 utc | 45

Fair enough, lets see what comes out of the Witkoff discussion later. There is clearly no ceasefire as of now.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 13 2025 16:38 utc | 46

When you think it cant be worse, Tom Luongo and Alex Krainer sitting i Plato’s cave and trying to make sence of the world:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDQxzULLTgg
From the war by the City and US deep state versus Trump- no peacetaks allowed, nuclear “protection” by France to euhanasia i CA 4,7%

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Mar 13 2025 16:38 utc | 47

@Malenkov
Thanks. His post seemed diametrically opposed to his ones in the older thread B posted on Trump intending to continue the war. Maybe NT should take some time off. I too find myself having to resist the tendency to be gaslit by the liars in the press.
IF there had been any actual acceptance, it would have been all over Politico, CNN, Reuters, etc.
The fact that markets are bed-shitting again tells us everything we need to know.
Dow -400
Nas -275
Gold -new ATH’s near 3000/oz

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 13 2025 16:40 utc | 48

Snake@24:
2/3 = two thirds. Two thirds of the senators present

Posted by: SLM | Mar 13 2025 16:41 utc | 49

With the ceasefire on hold, press attention can now turn to the Kursk Region and Sudzha—because what else is there to write about-?
😉

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 16:41 utc | 50

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 13 2025 16:40 utc | 48
I panicked, however I am still somewhat sceptical that Putin may yet elect to save Trump’s ass with a face-saving deal. for whatever reason.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 13 2025 16:42 utc | 51

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 13 2025 16:40 utc | 48
Gold/silver telling no ceasefire is coming and things are breaking down with continued isolation, economic tariffs, de-Eurozation, and de-dollarization. Not to mention the lunatics at EU commission planning to confiscate private citizen bank account savings.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 16:44 utc | 52

19#
Slovakia has jumped to become the biggest exporter of arms and ammunition in EU last year, per capita and GDP.
So much for the narrative, that Slovakia and Fico are somehow standing up to EU warmongering morons.
Fico just talking, no action. That is also why in recent poll his party lost the lead to soroshites.

Posted by: Lubomir | Mar 13 2025 16:44 utc | 53

I *do* hope Mr. Witkoff has time enough to hear about Yaroslav the Wise when he sits down w/ VVP today, especially the long version.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 16:45 utc | 54

NT – no worries, as I wrote, we’re all struggling with the news flow, a lying press, fake news, AI, shitposts, etc.
It pays to not come to any conclusions right away, on anything. Keep calm and keep reading B’s analysis.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 13 2025 16:45 utc | 55

Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 13 2025 15:43 utc | 21
Putin thanks Trump for giving Ukraine his attention. He has agreed to the ceasefire.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 13 2025 14:11 utc | 399
Ceasefire proposal rejected, per ZH and Reuters.
Reuters is lying, lying, lying! It is not a news agency. They does the do what we do here: we give our opinions, predict, bet, and support… A ceasefire request can never be categorically denied. This is an ethical and philosophical principle. Look at the US vs. Vietnam case. The negotiations took about a year! Russia simply laid out its terms. The ball is no longer in Russia’s court! In Ukraine’s court? No! Trump’s staff has already confirmed that the war is between the US and Russia! But the Trump administration will indeed achieve a ceasefire at the time agreed with Putin. Both will speed it up. And this will not be good for Zelensky, but it will be good for Putin and Trump. Cf in: @Elber | Mar 13 2025 14:09 utc | 398.

Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 16:48 utc | 56

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 16:44 utc | 52
A stock market chart guy I trust says if the SP breaks below 5490 or so, which we’re about 40 pts or so away from, it’s confirmed top, and likely a long term bear market of 13-20 YEARS has begun.
The USA is going out of business, and the oligarchs are lining up to buy up everything marked down 20-50%. Everything must go!

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 13 2025 16:49 utc | 57

Putin just pushed the poisoned chalice back to Trump, “I’m honored, but in my country tradition says the guest honors us by drinking first”.
Italy isn’t a USA vassal/client state it’s a prisoner of war, as is Germany and Japan, a large part of Italy is sympathetic to Russia, domestically Meloni has to tread carefully, and the Atlanticists are grooming her for a big future (the next von der Leyen?)when her role in Italy is done, which is never long in Italy. When the time comes, when UK and France have sufficiently escalated the threat to EU civilization she will join the coalition of the willing. She’s a shallow opportunist who sold out long ago.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2025 16:54 utc | 58

Smart move by Putin with a conditional YES reply. He has hit the ball back to the other side with a lot of power and to-spin.

Posted by: NGWY | Mar 13 2025 16:56 utc | 59

Moon of Alabama got a tip of the hat from another website today.
Posted by: Otto Penn | Mar 13 2025 14:51 utc | 3
All foreign policy should be decided by a Congress of the bar. It may not be pretty, but it would certainly be a great improvement.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 13 2025 16:57 utc | 60

Night Tripper@51…..for whatever reason….how about 4k+/- dead per week, some of them Russians…..reason enough for anyone not stealing money from a soldier’s widow…..
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 13 2025 17:02 utc | 61

Mar 12, 2025 – European Parliament
> MEPs welcome proposal for a 30-day ceasefire agreement and expect Russia to agree to it and cease all attacks on Ukraine
> EU and its member states must significantly increase their assistance to Ukraine
> Parliament welcomes a ‘coalition of the willing’ for a European-led enforcement of an eventual peace agreement
In a resolution adopted on Wednesday, Parliament says the EU is now Ukraine’s primary strategic ally and must help the country uphold its right to self-defence.
MEPs welcomed the proposal for a 30 day ceasefire, reached on 11 March. They expect Russia to agree to it and follow it by ceasing all attacks on Ukrainian civilian population, infrastructure and territory.
Following an “apparent shift” in the US position on Russia’s war of aggression, “which has included openly blaming Ukraine for the ongoing war”, the EU and its member states are now Ukraine’s primary strategic allies and must maintain their role as its largest donor, according to MEPs. To uphold Ukraine’s right to self-defence,(5) the EU and its member states must significantly increase their much-needed assistance to the country(5).. .here
June 2024 – AP
BRUSSELS (AP) — Far-right parties rattled the traditional powers in the European Union with major gains in parliamentary seats, dealing an especially humiliating defeat to French President Emmanuel Macron, who called snap legislative elections.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 13 2025 17:02 utc | 62

I feel like this war is going to be Trump’s undoing. Dude foolishly went all in on promises he’s gonna end the war and is now slowly being backed into a corner. Unless he can get Zelensky deposed and replaced by someone more cooperative, he doesn’t seem to have much of a choice. He can’t go all in on support for Ukraine because he knows the stick isn’t likely to work on Russia and he’d just be Biden 2.0, and he can’t outright abandon Ukraine because it’s gonna be a terrible look. One can guess how he’s gonna react to the realization that he can’t be the peacemaker he aspires to be but odds are whatever he does will come back to bite him in the behind.

Posted by: zeigdeinepapiere | Mar 13 2025 17:02 utc | 63

“We are in favor of it,” VVP said, referencing a possible ceasefire, “but there are nuances.”
VVP also thanked DJT for giving “so much attention” to the prospect of a deal. “The idea of a ceasefire itself is correct and we are certainly supporting it, but there are issues that need to be discussed. I think that we need to talk to our American colleagues and partners.”
<< Translation: we are not accepting this ceasefire, no hard feelings however.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:02 utc | 64

Lubomir @ 53

Fico just talking, no action. That is also why in recent poll his party lost the lead to soroshites.

Maybe getting shot once was enough?
More likely the PM in Slovakia like in most western countries has little or no power over the Slovakian MIC, which pays the politicians not the other way around like in sane countries such as Russia and China.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2025 17:02 utc | 65

Prediction: DJT will put a bigly positive spin on VVP’s desire to peer into the “nuances” of the potential ceasefire plan.
<< Prediction: the EU will *not* be pleased w/ the need to slow down and peer into the "nuances." VVP's response, and particularly his thanking DJT for giving "attention" to this ceasefire matter, will leave the EU-elites sweating. They will worry about back-channels--that they may be back-channeled away in this matter.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:08 utc | 66

There is a 15 to 1 ratio
The West spent $ 350 billion on ukraine and killed 115,000 Russian soldiers costing $ 3,043,478 to kill 1 Russian soldier.
Russia spent $ 250 billion on ukraine and killed 1,200,000 ukrainian soldiers costing $ 208,333 to kill 1 ukrainian soldier.
If you have more realistic numbers, tell us them and how the math works out
Posted by: Hot Carl | Mar 13 2025 15:48 utc | 26
The cost of life varies from place to place.
I remember 250k rounds of ammunition per talisman fatality mentioned one time in Afghanistan.

Posted by: jpc | Mar 13 2025 17:10 utc | 67

Lukashenko just said if Russia/US reach a ‘deal’ of Ukraine, the EU will be screwed. Wonder what he means by that…

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 17:11 utc | 68

@68
Actually, Lukashenko more precisely said if Russia and US reach a deal of Ukraine, it will be the end of both EU and Ukraine.
https://x.com/vick55top/status/1900214834119016924

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 17:16 utc | 69

At least, by now, Trump has grasped one supremely important fact, the Kiev regime is being run out of Europe.
As well, Trump also grasps the fact
Europe does not want peace.
Unfortunately, Europe is so deeply embedded in the US that Trump cannot do the necessary which is to simply walk away from the Ukraine disaster.
Trump is stuck to the Ukraine disaster like a fly stuck to flypaper. No matter how furiously it beats its wings, it cannot get unstuck.
I suppose in any event it provides good entertainment for the bar as we sip our beers, if somewhat droll.

Posted by: Oswald | Mar 13 2025 17:19 utc | 70

Sec Rubio and Mike Waltz isolated Yermak and his Ukrainian team in Jeddah—far from the D.C. scene w/ its quite active Ukraine Lobby & neocon senators—and made sure that Zelensky could not gatecrash the proceedings. Moreover, they put the pressure on: 8.5 hours of discussion.
None of the things the Ukrainians wanted, like security guarantees & territory assurances, were in the ceasefire which came out of Jeddah.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:25 utc | 71

Zelensky now is indeed the new Churchill–!
The U.S. and Russia have joined up to screw him.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:27 utc | 72

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Mar 13 2025 16:07 utc | 32
The Russians first sent in the N. Koreans who immediately died from the NG gas. Then they lit up the pipeline to burn their bodies so that they would not be discovered. This explains why we haven’t seen any of the N. Koreans who are there.
This is the true story of Sudzha, as told by NATO.
Thanks, best joke ever:-)

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Mar 13 2025 17:29 utc | 73

The pipeline heroes of Kursk will march across Red Square on 9 May.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:30 utc | 74

@68 and 69
It means that Trump is after more than simply ending this war and that he is going to normalize relations with Russia (maybe much more than that) if it hair lips the pope.
Europe and it’s globalist leaders are considered to be more of an enemy and threat than Russia or even China.

Posted by: CullenBaker | Mar 13 2025 17:30 utc | 75

@ Melaleuca | Mar 13 2025 14:42 utc | 1
Kevin @ InsideChinaBusiness cited some industry opinions and tentatively concludes any such “minerals” aren’t economically extractable. Leads me to wonder: Why do TPTB discuss such nonsense publicly (sock puppetry)? Is it a theatre prop? For what reason? To attempt to burden Ukraine with unpayable debt? Other?

Posted by: I forgot | Mar 13 2025 17:35 utc | 76

Regarding Project Ukraine, so far the U.S. is moving *toward* Russia, and Russia is gentling that movement forward.
It is in Russia’s long term interests to engage w/ the U.S. cooperatively on future economic and security dealings—whether in the realm of nuclear proliferation, the Arctic, West Asia/Iran or energy concerns.
<< Great Powers have to get back to the business of Great Powers.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:35 utc | 77

The resolution of the situation in Ukraine requires long-term agreements rather than the 30-day ceasefire proposed by the losing party [US of A and NATO]. A lasting and sustainable peace in Ukraine, requires certain <’non-negotiable’> conditions all of which were clearly stipulated last year by the Supreme Commander in Chief of the Russian Federation, Russian President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (VVP).
These conditions for resolving the conflict, includes the withdrawal of Ukrainian forces from Donbass and Novorossiya, Kiev’s refusal to join NATO, the removal of all Western sanctions against Moscow, and the establishment of Ukraine’s non-aligned and nuclear-free status.
Unless taken seriously, the US of A [the losing party] under the Titanic’s Captain DJT would be faced with either an ignominious defeat or nuclear strikes on their allies and their overseas bases.

Posted by: pepe | Mar 13 2025 17:37 utc | 78

As far as negotiations go, VVP will definitely see that DJT is *in a hurry* and VVP will keep this information top-of-mind in his most immediately retrievable random access memory as he calibrates his own negotiation pace.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:40 utc | 79

I told you in the other thread that Putin would name his conditions for a ceasefire and it will now get done. I find his conditions to be actually less demanding than imagined.

Posted by: CullenBaker | Mar 13 2025 17:41 utc | 80

RT
Moscow is in favor of a ceasefire in the Ukraine conflict, but has a lot of questions that need to ironed out in future talks with the US, Russian President Vladimir Putin has said. . .Speaking during a bilateral meeting with Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko Putin noted “We agree with the proposals to cease hostilities. But… this cessation must be such that it would lead to long-term peace and eliminate the initial causes of this crisis.”. .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 13 2025 17:42 utc | 81

Guaranteed: DJT will be begging VVP to sponsor his membership in BRICS+

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:42 utc | 82

Posted by: CullenBaker | Mar 13 2025 17:30 utc | 75
It simply means that Trump is not able to end the war in 24 hours, maybe not even in 24 months.
Midterm will be rough for Trump as far as I can tell.

Posted by: Mario | Mar 13 2025 17:42 utc | 83

Maybe Lukashenko could offer Belovezhskaya Pushcha for any future talks.

Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 13 2025 17:46 utc | 84

Yulia Timochenko was the only Ukrainian DJT invited to his inauguration, and she was seated prominently in the Rotunda during the swearing in.
Naturally it is only a hop, skip & a jump to understand that she will replace Zelensky as Ukraine’s *interim* president–very shortly, too.
In their back-channel gaming, VVP has taught DJT some 3-D chess moves.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:49 utc | 85

zeigdeinepapiere | Mar 13 2025 17:02 utc | 63
Unless Trump can get Zelensky deposed …

You just answered your own question. Do you really think Trump is so foolish as to become embroiled against Russia?
That kind of logic is embraced by those who suffer from rabid TDS like Echo Chamber, LoveDunbas and Too Scents.
For one, they’re not only not Americans, but virulent América haters to boot. For two, they don’t consider that Starmer, Z, et al were behind both Muh Russia! and impeachment 1.0; you really think Trump forgot?
For three, they simply wave away and dismiss his accomplishments in politics, ignoring winning the first time, being cheated the second time, impeached twice, persecuted vía lawfare, subject to multiple assassination attempts, and then winning again, carrying both the Senate and House with him.
But no, he’s a stupid dope, a blundering blowhard who has now ensared himself in Ukraine. But wait, as mentioned above, there’s an easy way out, no?
New Ukraine government, new agreements (territory, neutrality), boom, hey I tried my best, now let’s focus on fortifying N America (Canadá + Greenland), reconcile with Russia and turn our attention to you know who.

Posted by: Markw | Mar 13 2025 17:49 utc | 86

My read on EU regarding this – the EU and satraps do NOT want a real political settlement regarding Ukraine. The EU wants a ‘ceasefire’ which ensures the war continues soon and rearm Ukraine. Already I am reading EU is ready to send troops and arms as peacekeepers to Ukraine, and they might be planning to involve Baltic states, Finland and Poland to war with Russia.
Putin, and potentially Trump want a lasting political settlement.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 17:50 utc | 87

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 17:11 utc | 68
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2025 17:16 utc | 69
Actually, Lukashenko more precisely said if Russia and US reach a deal of Ukraine, it will be the end of both EU and Ukraine.
it will be the END OF BOTH EU and UKRAINE (my emphasis)
My opinion is similar to yours: either with both the European Union and NATO.
***
This midday, before b opened this thread (UTC -3, BR) I commented on CallenBaker in the following terms:
Posted by: CullenBaker | Mar 13 2025 12:42 utc | 366
(…) I think this war has been an absolute disaster and Biden perpetrated the worst mistake/atrocity of American foreign policy ever in encouraging and inciting it. (…)
It would be case of capital punishment, for alleged treason or serious ineptitude. But Biden does not deserve that, because that was not his intention (treason). It turns out that when all the strong-handed sanctions failed, white flag diplomacy should have been raised (which was not: serious ineptitude!). But here too, Biden does not deserve to be hanged, because at that point he was already insane (unaccountable by law). But the current US administration has a moral, legal and constitutional duty to prosecute Biden’s agents. And if the US manages to emerge “unscathed” (at least without the deaths of Americans), it will be imperative duty of every American citizen to kneel at Trump’s feet!
Trump will get this ceasefire and perhaps others, BUT HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PREVENT the collapse of NATO. And the best thing the US can do is to dismantle the SERPENT (that’s what DRAGON calls it!) and repatriate ALL THE AIR AND NAVAL EQUIPMENT that can be saved.
The new world order emerging and resulting from this so-called SMO will not accept any country having a thousand military bases on foreign territory or even just very far from its continental territory (Guam, Falkland Islands, Diego Garcia et al.).
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Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 17:53 utc | 88

Post got deleted (auto filtered) when I mentioned the website, though.
Posted by: Otto Penn | Mar 13 2025 14:52 utc | 4
Now you’ve made me curious. Why don’t you send the URL in two pieces, like
anything.com
prefixed by:
https://
It works, I’ve tried it.

Posted by: grunzt | Mar 13 2025 17:55 utc | 89

French defense ministry already teaching new recruits the *pipeline slither* as part of their intensive training.
Macron is begging Zelensky to station his French Reassurance Force near a pipeline.
<< EU-elites can't stand the fact that the most innovative tactic in the Ukraine War did not involve a swarm of FPV quad-coptors but Russian troops in a Russian pipeline.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 17:59 utc | 90

13 March 2025
17:46 GMT
Putin’s comment about Russia’s readiness to discuss a ceasefire was promising but “it wasn’t complete,” US President Donald Trump said on Thursday during a bilateral press conference with NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte.
Witkoff and other US representatives are in Russia to discuss the proposed truce, among other things, he said.
“They’re in very serious discussions,” Trump stressed.
The Ukraine conflict is a big financial burden for the US and others, he said.
“We want it to stop. It’s also a tremendous cost to the United States and to other countries,” Trump said.
16:32 GMT
Russia supports the idea of ending the hostilities in the Ukraine conflict, but needs any potential ceasefire to facilitate a long-term peace, Russian President Vladimir Putin has said.
Speaking during a bilateral meeting with Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko Putin noted “We agree with the proposals to cease hostilities. But… this cessation must be such that it would lead to long-term peace and eliminate the initial causes of this crisis.”
Moscow has a number of questions about the US ceasefire proposal that will need to be raised in upcoming talks, Putin explained.
“I think that we need to discuss this with our American colleagues and partners,” he said.
“Maybe we could discuss this with President Trump over the telephone,” the Russian leader added.
Notwithstanding, Russia supports the idea of diplomatically ending the conflict, he said.
https://www.rt.com/news/614136-witkoff-moscow-ukraine-talks/

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2025 18:02 utc | 91

DJT says he wants the killing to stop, but that is not how a hegemon sustains itself. A hegemony wants *primacy* not peace.
On the sliding scale of hegemonic leaders DJT is on the squishy spectrum, which is no doubt why the Deep State, including Europe’s Deep State, tried to make sure he did not return to the White House.
Meanwhile, Sec Rubio has stated that Ukraine will have to make difficult concessions, as will Russia, before the war can end. He never mentions what “difficult concessions” the U.S. will have to make.
The U.S., in trying to mediate a ceasefire, is perpetuating the myth that this is a war between Ukraine and Russia—-and not a proxy war between the U.S. and Russia.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 18:04 utc | 92

A stock market chart guy I trust says if the SP breaks below 5490 or so, which we’re about 40 pts or so away from, it’s confirmed top, and likely a long term bear market of 13-20 YEARS has begun.
The USA is going out of business, and the oligarchs are lining up to buy up everything marked down 20-50%. Everything must go!
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 13 2025 16:49 utc | 57
Change your trust radar.
1. Ain’t going to happen when the US government is spending $7 trillion a year. Which ultimately end up as business profits.
2. The US stock market is now 63% of global market cap, up from 60.5%. The next biggest market is…Japan at 5.6%.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 13 2025 18:05 utc | 93

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Posted by: grunzt | Mar 13 2025 17:55 utc | 89
There are numerous words that do not pass the filter, considered vulgar terms. One of them is “substack”.
Suggestion: change an obvious letter to x, k, y… but tell us which one.

Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 18:05 utc | 94

I feel like US are caught in an in-between about the hegemony (the end of history) and multi-polarity (the beginning of another history).
They understood the world has changed a lot. That it’s not they doing neither their decision anymore.
But they still didn’t understand fully how it works and had a lot of trouble during Biden’s mandate fighting against it’s reality and maybe will have even more trouble during second Trump’s mandate trying to fit in it comfortably.

Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 13 2025 18:06 utc | 95

Anyone ever think that the Russians are done being suckers and are now doing a reverse Minsk I – II – Istanbul, i.e, the Russians are now pulling the USA’s leg, stringing it along? Not saying it is but it could be. Hard to cheat a cheater, though.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2025 18:07 utc | 96

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Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Mar 13 2025 18:05 utc | 93
EU is collapsing. The fact that EU commission wants to ‘take control’ of private savings is living proof that EU is collapsing. The main reason for this is the Euro commission itself.
I expect EU to start its unraveling in earnest within a year or two. Blocking Hungary from funds and threatening to expel it and Slovakia is prelude, things and events currently in Romania are prelude in this.
***
Late Capitalism is the so-called apocalypse! It’s like death for each of us: we’re sure it will happen, but we live as if it never would! Do you know anyone who buys a coffin, takes it to the cemetery and does everything they can to get inside it?
For the RESET, the US has ALMOST everything: technology, energy, consumer market, rich in resources… The issue of raw materials is not as complex as that of the competition (China!). Not to mention that ALMOST is not everything; if it were, there would be no gold, silver and bronze medals! Can Putin help Trump by making life difficult for Xi? Yes! But would he do that? We know Trump would! Personally, I wouldn’t do it! What about you?

Posted by: Elber | Mar 13 2025 18:08 utc | 97

The EU-elites, so giddy about their ceasefire game—“the ball is in Russia’s court”—expected Russia to hit the ball back to them.
Instead, they found a checkmated king from the chessboard.
<< In seeing to Russia's interests, VVP has given DJT a major assist against the war-mongering EU vassals.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 13 2025 18:11 utc | 98

I have to say it or I’ll explode
Currently following the live interview between Trump and Rutte…
Honestly…I’ve never in my life (96) heard a person, let alone a president, talk so much garbage as Trump.
He moans like a priest in church about the millions of deaths in Ukraine and what fantastically successful negotiations he’ll use to end this killing…and he’s repeated this garbage at least five times.
He doesn’t mention the deaths in Gazs or Lipanon…
Rhapstimates about egg prices and his earnings from them…
Spreads garbage about owning a power plant in Ukraine and how Putin should hand it over…
But whatever.
Knowing who orchestrated and started this killing, which everyone with an IQ above that of a bucket of water knows and should know.
Sorry:
This babble from someone who calls himself president is just disgusting…even the warmonger Rutte apparently couldn’t find the words or even escalate the garbage, and that’s saying something.
.Conclusion:
Besides crap, it was a deep prostration to NATO in the person of Rutte!!
What’s up with this big-mouthed Trump?
Hope looks different, sounds different…
what he said was simply primitive and stupid, and partly a lie.

Posted by: berthold | Mar 13 2025 18:11 utc | 99

Sorry I’m not 96 but 69 years old

Posted by: berthold | Mar 13 2025 18:12 utc | 100