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March 9, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-048
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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I don’t have specific citations but my understanding is that Russian soldiers did another Avdeevka tactic on the Ukrainians in Sudzha (Kursk). Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 9 2025 14:37 utc | 1 Kursk is close to becoming what the Germans in WW II called a ‘kessel,’ bottling up soldiers by surrounding up to tens of thousands of them. The Germans preferred to kill them off. POWs need to be watched and fed. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 9 2025 14:43 utc | 2 I saw a couple rumors about Russian tunnel tactic & Sudzka. Came here to ask…Love answered in advance… Posted by: Mary | Mar 9 2025 14:45 utc | 3 As documentation and awareness of civilian killings in Kursk spreads, the political value of the Kursk incursion will turn dramatically negative. Some of the Ukrainians surrendering in Kursk may face war crimes trials. Posted by: HH | Mar 9 2025 14:48 utc | 4 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 9 2025 14:43 utc | 2 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 9 2025 14:53 utc | 5 Good update by Weeb Union about what is happening in Kursk, a collapse of the Ukrainian lines and multiple encirclements taking place. Much of the Ukrainian forces will be killed or captured, facilitating a Russian push into the Sumy region. The Ukrainians will have to send more troops to that region to replace the lost troops, weakening the other fronts. Starting to be an utter disaster on a strategic level for the Ukrainians. Posted by: Roger Boyd | Mar 9 2025 15:02 utc | 6 Interviews with surrendering Kursk invading Ukrainians. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 9 2025 15:04 utc | 7 The US of A cannot be trusted. Posted by: pepe | Mar 9 2025 15:10 utc | 8 the russians do not have “god on their side” what bad movies have you been watching? Posted by: abee | Mar 9 2025 15:13 utc | 9 ahhh. I forgot, we are managed buy a bunch of corrupt money grubbing losers. oh well then, they have a lot in common Posted by: abee | Mar 9 2025 15:15 utc | 10 Putin tells it like it is. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 9 2025 15:15 utc | 11 Ukrainian Nationalists Commemorate Nazi Collaborator (& vid) Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 9 2025 15:16 utc | 12 Researcher Moss Robeson: Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 9 2025 15:23 utc | 13 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 9 2025 15:04 utc | 7 Posted by: Mary | Mar 9 2025 15:27 utc | 14 Unmasking the Bandera Lobby (url corrected from above) Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 9 2025 15:29 utc | 15 Ukraine Weekly Update, 7th March 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-292 Posted by: The Busker | Mar 9 2025 15:32 utc | 16 i asked a friend how they feel about germany falling in the same propaganda trap they fell for during the third reich, and all i got was “what propaganda? russian?”. Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 9 2025 15:36 utc | 17 Russia was almost down, the sanctions were working Posted by: berthold | Mar 9 2025 15:39 utc | 18 CBC: How Billions of Dollars in Frozen Russian Assets Could Help Ukraine Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 9 2025 15:53 utc | 19 hat I don’t understand correctly: Posted by: berthold | Mar 9 2025 15:53 utc | 20 Sat data for strikes into Russia. I assume that the US is still supplying data for inside Ukraine. Posted by: TundraTide | Mar 9 2025 15:57 utc | 21 HH@4….Russians holding War Crimes trails for the poor wee bastards at the front…..much wrist slapping expected? Maybe a tickle trunk full of fluffy feathers to torture Tiny Dancer’s feet….he’s been so naughty of late…..good job Trump pulled the US’s ISR…..or the SlogMow would be like The Song That Never Ends….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 9 2025 16:00 utc | 22 CBC: How Billions of Dollars in Frozen Russian Assets Could Help Ukraine (corrected url) from #19 Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 9 2025 16:01 utc | 23 Sat data for strikes into Russia. I assume that the US is still supplying data for inside Ukraine. Posted by: berthold | Mar 9 2025 16:08 utc | 24 John Gilberts@19….if there were 35 million Canadians polled, 40 million of them would still support the Ukraine over Russia. How many Canadians died saving the English Royal family from fellow Germans during two world wars? There are a handful of Canadians on MOA, that’s it for about the support Russia will get from Canadians. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 9 2025 16:17 utc | 25 “I was going to surrender. I don’t want to shoot anybody.” Posted by: malenkov | Mar 9 2025 16:35 utc | 26 Russian eWar is no joke. Given time, they can disrupt any electronic device. Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 9 2025 16:41 utc | 27 forgot the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B6HRRByeIY Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 9 2025 16:43 utc | 28 Berthold, shutting off the intel only prevents Ukraine from acquiring new coordinates, not from using old ones. Posted by: team10tim | Mar 9 2025 16:48 utc | 29 Musk Calls For Sanctions On Ukrainian Oligarchs Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 9 2025 16:52 utc | 30 Not to mention a market is a stationary civilian object. You don’t need fancy ISR for that, unless it grows legs. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 9 2025 16:58 utc | 31 Others here have stated, “rearming” Europe in a tactical way makes no sense when Europe already has the makings of a nuclear umbrella with France and UK. If RF can be a nuclear superpower, for purposes of deterrence, then what’s good for the gander is good for the goose, so to say. I.e. EU should expand and extend its limited preexisting nuclear deterrence to something approaching strategic parity or efficacy vis a vis RF, thereby making of itself a fourth independent nuclear defended pole. However, I suspect the US would oppose this, which is precisely what Ukraine was about, i.e. extending a US-controlled nuclear “deterrence” to the RF’s borders. However an autonomous EU nuclear deterrence need not, indeed should not do the same: expansion of the capabilities of UK, France, and perhaps Italy, but not including Germany should be enough. The problem of course (though I don’t think it intractable) is what transnational EU entity will have monitoring oversight for the arsenal? Evidently a new one would have to be created. Posted by: Ludovic | Mar 9 2025 17:01 utc | 32 So how did these HIMARS missiles hit their target?? Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 9 2025 17:02 utc | 33 Without Starlink, Ukraine would have lost the war long ago and Russian troops would be on Poland’s borders, said Marco Rubio. Posted by: berthold | Mar 9 2025 17:02 utc | 34 Posted by: Ludovic | Mar 9 2025 17:01 utc | 32 Posted by: berthold | Mar 9 2025 17:14 utc | 35 @ Mary | Mar 9 2025 14:45 utc | 3 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 9 2025 17:16 utc | 36 @ Posted by: abee | Mar 9 2025 15:15 utc | 10 Posted by: fnord | Mar 9 2025 17:18 utc | 37 A Polish family friend captured by the Germans and then moved from the Polish army to the Wermacht made it all the way to Stalingrad. He was one of the last out. Posted by: Merkin Scot | Mar 9 2025 17:24 utc | 38 Project owl map suddenly updated kursk and AFU lost control of nearly everything. Posted by: Newbie | Mar 9 2025 17:26 utc | 39 The thorny problem … will be uniting the working classes … the capitalist ruling class Posted by: too scents | Mar 9 2025 17:27 utc | 40 Mr. Donald John Trump (DJT) intends to transfer US troops to countries that meet NATO’s defense spending targets and have plans to increase them. Posted by: Passerby | Mar 9 2025 17:34 utc | 41 @berthold | Mar 9 2025 17:02 utc | 34 Posted by: rk | Mar 9 2025 17:36 utc | 42 Posted by: Ludovic | Mar 9 2025 17:01 utc | 32 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 9 2025 17:40 utc | 43 Pepe Escobar posted the following at his Telegram: Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 9 2025 17:44 utc | 44 Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 9 2025 17:55 utc | 45 Yet even if just the French and UK nuclear arsenals were expanded and made more efficient that should be enough of a deterrence against RF, considering that if RF would ever dare to launch a nuclear attack against either or both of the aforesaid, the US would likely respond as well against RF, although perhaps not with a “full” nuclear strike at first. So, in short, modernizing/expanding the nuclear deterrence capabilities of France and UK respectively should be enough to deter a RF invasion of the rest of the EU, especially considering that the US would not remain neutral. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 9 2025 18:02 utc | 46 @32 Posted by: paddy | Mar 9 2025 18:03 utc | 47 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 9 2025 17:40 utc | 43 Posted by: Passerby | Mar 9 2025 18:06 utc | 48 Posted by: Passerby | Mar 9 2025 18:06 utc | 48 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 9 2025 18:08 utc | 49 Posted by: Passerby | Mar 9 2025 18:06 utc | 48 Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 9 2025 18:19 utc | 50 Posted by: Passerby | Mar 9 2025 18:06 utc | 48 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 9 2025 18:24 utc | 51 #51 Posted by: BillB | Mar 9 2025 18:29 utc | 52 To all the good people who believe in Zelensky:
Please seek truth & question the politicians narratives! Soon or later you will realize that NATO is a war machine run by men who do not want peace, they dream of endless wars, big lies & massive profits. Surely some if not most of them have been honeytrapped/blackmailed & bribed. Posted by: WillSeymour | Mar 9 2025 18:29 utc | 53 Yet even if just the French and UK nuclear arsenals were expanded and made more efficient that should be enough of a deterrence against RF, considering that if RF would ever dare to launch a nuclear attack against either or both of the aforesaid, the US would likely respond as well against RF, although perhaps not with a “full” nuclear strike at first. So, in short, modernizing/expanding the nuclear deterrence capabilities of France and UK respectively should be enough to deter a RF invasion of the rest of the EU, especially considering that the US would not remain neutral. Posted by: berthold | Mar 9 2025 18:31 utc | 54
Posted by: paddy | Mar 9 2025 18:03 utc | 47 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 9 2025 18:39 utc | 55 What launch platform options are there for a European nuclear deterrent? Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 9 2025 18:42 utc | 56 400 bodies from Kursk came to the mortuary in Sumy. And most are still left behind, in the ground. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 9 2025 18:48 utc | 57 Posted by: Ludovic | Mar 9 2025 17:01 utc | 32 Posted by: Satepestage | Mar 9 2025 18:50 utc | 58
Posted by: BillB | Mar 9 2025 18:29 utc | 52
Posted by: Satepestage | Mar 9 2025 18:50 utc | 58 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 9 2025 19:07 utc | 59 Posted by: Ludovic | Mar 9 2025 17:01 utc | 32 Posted by: Naive | Mar 9 2025 19:27 utc | 60 Posted by: fnord | Mar 9 2025 17:18 utc | 37 Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 9 2025 19:31 utc | 61 Nuclear gravity bombs seem to me to be hopelessly outdated now. Russia newest Iskander doubled its range to 1000 km a clear result of Trumps exiting the INF. Maybe he is a Russian agent because exiting it only allowed Russian development of weapons while NATO has no significant counterparts. If there is a competitor to Russian missile technology its China and its not close. The Russian missiles will penetrate defenses just as we see in Ukraine. What good are nuclear weapon systems without peer delivery systems? All based on a belief that only this power of destruction allows legitimacy. EU cant face the truth that they have nothing Russia wants. I dont think Russia would take the EU if it was gifted to them. Raather than accept their status the EU finds it easier to pretend they are in a existential conflict. It distracts from the fact that they are bankrupt with only their neoliberal beliefs to sustain them. Strokin B-61 s does not feed families. Posted by: Nipins | Mar 9 2025 19:40 utc | 62 Russian latest group strike on strategic energy infrastructure indicates a change in policy regarding future gas supply to the West via Ukraine. Posted by: Suresh | Mar 9 2025 19:44 utc | 63 Posted by: Nipins | Mar 9 2025 19:40 utc | 62 The Brits tried twice in 2016 and again 2024. Note how long it takes to try again. Posted by: Suresh | Mar 9 2025 19:50 utc | 65 And what of those European nations that have signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty? Are they going to abrogate that agreement, then wring their hands when other nations around the world follow their example? Posted by: jpc | Mar 9 2025 19:59 utc | 66 The thorny problem of the rest of this decade, and then the next decade….. Posted by: Preki | Mar 9 2025 20:05 utc | 67 Ukrainian resistance in Kursk was compromised by the need to vacate russian territory to start negotiations as demanded by Trump. Putin stuck by his demand that no negotiations while “old” russian territory was occupied. Ukrainian military potential was transferred to toretsk and povrosk which undergoing Ukrainian counter offensive which have had partial success. I urge everyone to put their reality glasses and on avoid premature celebration. Europe’s surge to ukraine will start soon possibly with boots on the ground. This Will mean russian has attrited the Ukrainians successfully and is starting on europes willingness to bleed to hold the line. It’s very unlikely they’ll volunteer to the last European although the death toll that’s too high is yet to be determined. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 9 2025 20:05 utc | 68 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 9 2025 18:08 utc | 49 Posted by: Passerby | Mar 9 2025 20:08 utc | 69
Well, there is also the fact that Russia’s government is reaping the benefits of presiding over a young and vigorous capitalist system. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 9 2025 20:19 utc | 70 TDS victim: “Trump said XYZ, so he intends to …” Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 9 2025 20:22 utc | 71 “1. “The Trump administration claimed another reason for the withdrawal was to counter a Chinese arms buildup in the Pacific, including within the South China Sea, as China was not a signatory to the treaty. The US formally suspended the treaty on 1 February 2019,[14] and Russia did so on the following day in response. The United States formally withdrew from the treaty on 2 August 2019. 92)” Posted by: Nipins | Mar 9 2025 20:26 utc | 72 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 9 2025 20:05 utc | 68 Posted by: Mario | Mar 9 2025 20:39 utc | 73 “1. “The Trump administration claimed another reason for the withdrawal was to counter a Chinese arms buildup in the Pacific, including within the South China Sea, as China was not a signatory to the treaty. The US formally suspended the treaty on 1 February 2019,[14] and Russia did so on the following day in response. The United States formally withdrew from the treaty on 2 August 2019. 92)” Going to play in the Ukraine meat grinder is a rather different proposition than the sand box with a A-10 overhead. The Ukrainians have shown incredible bravery and tenacity but of course the ending is inevitable. Are the French and British motivated to demonstrate those qualities? No. Its over. Even creatures like Macron know it so he starts talking about nukes. If hes that distraught he should seppeku two cuts that would show some class. Not talk about blowing up the world like a madman. Trump actually seems to get this although of course he has misconceptions. At least he said it. “the nuclear weapons are crazy we should get rid of them”. Whatever Trump is thats the sanest talk I have ever heard from a USA president. Its of course just talk. All sorts of things exit Trumps mouth. None the less I am hopeful. Posted by: Nipins | Mar 9 2025 20:51 utc | 75 Passerby | Mar 9 2025 20:08 utc | 69 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 9 2025 20:59 utc | 76 Military Summary channel update on the Kursk Collapse. Jump to 2.45 to pass his usual preliminary bloviations for the actual battlefield update. Posted by: Roger Boyd | Mar 9 2025 21:04 utc | 77 Posted by: canuck | Mar 9 2025 20:49 utc | 74 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 9 2025 21:10 utc | 78 “Posted by: Nipins | Mar 9 2025 20:26 utc | 72 Posted by: Nipins | Mar 9 2025 21:15 utc | 79 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 9 2025 20:05 utc | 68 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Mar 9 2025 21:16 utc | 80 DS map update: Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 9 2025 21:17 utc | 81 @Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 9 2025 21:17 utc | 81 Posted by: Roger Boyd | Mar 9 2025 21:33 utc | 82 JD Vance has a cousin who fought in Ukraine. He doesn’t like the way the kostumed klown from keeeve was treated in the WH. Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 9 2025 21:37 utc | 83
Orbital delivery systems will become pretty cheap and very effective with sinking cost of tonnage to orbit (think Starship). They can be used with inert rods for precision targeting and kinetic effect, too. Posted by: persiflo | Mar 9 2025 21:42 utc | 84 82: Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 9 2025 21:42 utc | 85 “broaden the scope of the treaty, bring in more nations such as China, even India and Pakistan (heck, even include Iran).” Posted by: Nipins | Mar 9 2025 21:43 utc | 86 Posted by: persiflo | Mar 9 2025 21:42 utc | 84 Posted by: UWDude | Mar 9 2025 21:47 utc | 87 This is directed at China Pakistan is not a real player. Posted by: UWDude | Mar 9 2025 22:02 utc | 88 karlof1 | Mar 8 2025 21:47 utc | 63 Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 9 2025 22:04 utc | 89 @ UWDude, §89: Posted by: John Marks | Mar 9 2025 22:36 utc | 90 “Orbital delivery systems will become pretty cheap and very effective with sinking cost of tonnage to orbit (think Starship). They can be used with inert rods for precision targeting and kinetic effect, too. Posted by: Npin | Mar 9 2025 22:39 utc | 91 AHVAAZ, a pop-up quango of the CIA, has stopped Rumania´s Calin Georgescu from his presidential candidacy. Posted by: John Marks | Mar 9 2025 22:40 utc | 92 Nice AI chip in charge. Whats not to like? /sarc (really needed?) Posted by: Npin | Mar 9 2025 22:43 utc | 93 Let’s ask this question: what did the US gain by abandoning the INF? Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 9 2025 22:46 utc | 94 Posted by: John Marks | Mar 9 2025 22:36 utc | 91 Posted by: UWDude | Mar 9 2025 22:49 utc | 95 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 9 2025 20:05 utc | 68 Posted by: Naive | Mar 9 2025 22:50 utc | 96 “Georgescu would take Rumania out of NATO” Posted by: Npin | Mar 9 2025 22:50 utc | 97 Romania Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 9 2025 22:55 utc | 98 Roomania is no fools. The next up list is getting shorter. France and UK are far down the list. Just cook up a little Bander party install and voila! Paging Victoria Paging Victoria National endowment for Democracy aisle four. Roomania. Hoongaria. Boolgaria. Yea far down the list. And of course. They dont call it war saw for nothing. Posted by: Npin | Mar 9 2025 23:03 utc | 99 We dont need no stinking USA intel. Posted by: Npin | Mar 9 2025 23:17 utc | 100 |
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