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March 2, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-042
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Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 16:26 utc | 28
“We just cannot have a situation where it’s not made crystal clear to the Russians, that if they do not stop their war, they will be stopped by force.”
Europe has no possibility of doing this within the next fifty years – i.e. – never. Europe is very far behind the US, which is far behind Russia and China (and even South Korea). There is no way that they can ever catch up. Most European armament firms are hand-in-glove with US ones anyway. Take for example, the UK ‘Tempest’ 5th generation fighter. It will not be ready for at least ten years – probably more like fifteen. Meanwhile China, Russia and the US are designing 6th gen planes.
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Mar 2 2025 18:15 utc | 83
Ah, but Europe persists in believing that it still has influence and power, that it is still relevant. It still believes that it can tool up the factories and produce the weapons needed to put that faux European upstart Russia in its proper place, in short order, mind you. European leaders are pompous fools tilting at windmills.
Posted by: Mike R | Mar 2 2025 18:50 utc | 101
Things are moveing very fast.
A Ruusian source say’s any peace keeping force will will be treated as hostile and anilated.
Oliver dowding uk military top man says, peace keeping force is now unrealistic, he favours overwealming nato airforce superority to keep the ‘peace’.
Read massive esculation.
Read all out war on mainland euope and england.
Read millions dead.
Read what go’s around comes around.
Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 2 2025 18:51 utc | 102
Posted by: Featherless | Mar 2 2025 18:24 utc | 88
There’s a PDF online. It’s 922 pages long. Good luck reading all that.
Posted by: KingCobra | Mar 2 2025 18:52 utc | 103
Here’s another snippet:
Increase allied conventional defense burden-sharing. U.S. allies must
take far greater responsibility for their conventional defense. U.S. allies
must play their part not only in dealing with China, but also in dealing with
threats from Russia, Iran, and North Korea.
1. Make burden-sharing a central part of U.S. defense strategy with the
United States not just helping allies to step up, but strongly encouraging
them to do so.
2. Support greater spending and collaboration by Taiwan and allies
in the Asia–Pacific like Japan and Australia to create a collective
defense model.
3. Transform NATO so that U.S. allies are capable of fielding the great
majority of the conventional forces required to deter Russia while
relying on the United States primarily for our nuclear deterrent, and
select other capabilities while reducing the U.S. force posture in Europe.
4. Sustain support for Israel even as America empowers Gulf partners to
take responsibility for their own coastal, air, and missile defenses both
individually and working collectively.
5. Enable South Korea to take the lead in its conventional defense against
North Korea.
So, what we are seeing here is the implementation of all of this.
Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 18:55 utc | 104
No blackadders, just baldrics
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 2 2025 18:45 utc | 98
Let‘s have a look at one outcome for “Cunning Plans”:
The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine hides massive losses after a missile strike on a military training ground
The Ukrainian command hides the fact of the mass death of servicemen as a result of a missile strike on a training ground in the Dnipropetrovsk region. This is reported by Ukrainian resources.
As a result of a missile strike on a military training ground in the Novomoskovsk district of the Dnipropetrovsk region, 32 servicemen were killed, writes, in particular, ex-deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Igor Mosiychuk **.
“(C) On 15.12 01.03.2025, a missile strike (Iskander — 2 cluster munitions) was launched on the territory of the settlement. CHERKASSKOYE, Novomoskovskiy district, Dnipropetrovsk region. Hits on the territory of the location of the 168th reserve battalion. Casualties: 32 dead, 153 ambulances. 2 units of automotive equipment of the 93rd mechanized brigade were damaged,” Mosiychuk said ** in his telegram channel.
According to the militant “Aidar”* Stanislav Bunyatov, 50 Ukrainian soldiers were killed.
Military resources supporting the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported that “a great tragedy has occurred, about which everyone is silent, “no comment, eternal memory to the guys.”
As EADaily reported, the Russian Armed Forces launched a missile attack on the Novomoskovskiy military training ground in the Dnipropetrovsk region, destroyed the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as up to 30 foreign instructors. This was reported by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
“The Iskander-M OTRK struck the Novomoskovskiy military training ground in the Dnipropetrovsk region, where servicemen of the 157th Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were trained. As a result of the strike, up to 150 Ukrainian nationalists were killed, including up to 30 foreign instructors,” the department’s telegram channel says.
https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/03/02/the-command-of-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine-hides-massive-losses-after-a-missile-strike-on-a-military-training-ground
“It’s just a rumour that was spread around town
Somebody said that someone got filled in
For saying that people get killed in
The result of their shipbuilding” – R. Wyatt/E. Costello
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 2 2025 18:58 utc | 105
young men will be picked up off the street one by one, and onlookers just staring, at first doing nothing.
the eu can do this perfectly slowly. a couple hundreds in germany, a couple in france, some in britain, a few poles, slowly slowly slowly. and just as in ukraine, at some point you kid is on the line.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 2 2025 18:20 utc | 84
The ukrainians have the carrot of entering the western land of milk and honey being dangled in front of them as well as their crude nationalism.
Western europeans have neither; send the press gangs in the french banlieu and let’s see what happens.
South african style necklacing would be my bet.
Posted by: Satepestage | Mar 2 2025 19:09 utc | 107
…total of 27.2 million hryvnias (approximately $656,495) had been collected.
“Yes, we want to have nuclear…”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 2 2025 15:43 utc | 18
_________
Mrs. Zelensky’s pocket change.
Posted by: osi not ossi | Mar 2 2025 19:10 utc | 108
I have seen them update the article twice in the last hour. It is now much more nuanced.
Now, from Reuters:
@Posted by: librul | Mar 2 2025 17:18 utc | 54
15 minutes ago Reuters updated (nuanced) their lead story for a third time.
Posted by: librul | Mar 2 2025 19:10 utc | 109
…hmm…
So are the US and EU in on the same plan ? It certainly doesn’t look like it, with all the anti-Trump hysteria.
So is there more than one set of Globalists or factions ? That changes the picture !
Posted by: Featherless | Mar 2 2025 19:10 utc | 110
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 2 2025 18:58 utc | 106
And as I mentioned @75 will love getting details of the cargo just sunk.
I couldn’t make head or tails of the Poseidon chasing sasquatches in Romania until I saw the DM article, should be top shelf material to deserve two iskanders
Now what I really really want is to see some serious uk or French troops on the terrain without us backstop…
There won’t be enough winter resorts or hiking trails to hide the flood of body bags
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 2 2025 19:11 utc | 111
Uncle Chuck dressed up for the meeting with the beggar from Kiev : https://t.me/myLordBebo/60842
Posted by: Apollyon | Mar 2 2025 19:12 utc | 112
The preliminary “summit of the party of war in Europe” ended in London. Result: everyone (except Hungary and Slovakia) agrees,
– the war in Ukraine must continue.
– Europe must sharply increase arms supplies to the Ukrainian army.
– Europe must sharply increase investments in the military-industrial complex.
– troops of NATO countries in Europe must be deployed in Ukraine.
– troops of European countries in Ukraine should be not before but after the conclusion of a peace agreement.
– we need to present Trump with Europe’s vision of a possible peace in Ukraine. We cannot give the peace agenda to Trump and Putin.
– Russia is an enemy and we must inflict as much damage on it as possible.
– Russia has no right to vote, Russia should not be listened to at all. Russia has no right to its own interests in Ukraine.
– Russia has no right to “dictate its terms”, its inclusion in the discussion of peace is possible only at the last stage.
That is, the Party of War in Europe proposes to work out the terms and offer them to Russia as an ultimatum.
– the general EU summit will be on March 6.
See this and more:
https://t.me/AlgoraPublishing/876
Also this:
https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2025/03/02/europe-dont-get-into-the-war-trap
Posted by: LongTimeObserver | Mar 2 2025 19:12 utc | 113
Posted by: Featherless | Mar 2 2025 19:01 utc | 107
There’s so much in it and I recommend to just skim over it, select a chapter like Defense or State Department and check out what they’ve envisioned for it and you will see that it is what we’ve been watching for some weeks now.
See the chapter on USAID, it’s very long and it talks about many many changes so I guess somebody just decided to completely stop it and then start rebuilding it. They even talk about rebranding and so on.
CONCLUSION
The next conservative Administration will have a unique opportunity to realign
U.S. foreign assistance with American national interests and the principles of good
governance and more accurately reflect the U.S. taxpayer’s unmatched charita-
ble desire to help those in need. It can build on a strong baseline of conservative
reforms undertaken by the Trump Administration to counter Communist China’s
strategy of world domination. However, this will require that bold steps are taken
on Day One to undo the gross misuse of foreign aid by the current Administration
to promote a radical ideology that is politically divisive at home and harms our
global standing.
We’ve seen the bold action: sopping it completely 🙂
Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 19:13 utc | 114
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tILXLxMTmgA&pp=ygUVaW5zaWRlIGNoaW5hIGJ1c2luZXNz
Inside China Business
“The situation in Ukraine is alarmingly similar to Afghanistan, where Pentagon assessments of Afghan mineral reserves dramatically overstated their actual size and market value, while giving war planners additional time and resources to prosecute what was ultimately a losing war effort.”
Posted by: osi not ossi | Mar 2 2025 19:14 utc | 115
g wiltek @65: “The really terrifying thing is that the West believes they can win a war against Russia.”
Which, of course, is pure delusion, and that is part of why Trump is trying to put some distance between that conflict and the US.
But it is a good thing that the poodles and chihuahuas are rallying around the Ukraine! The Ukraine can win now, right? They don’t need America’s help anymore!
lol
Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 2 2025 19:16 utc | 116
RE: “So, what we are seeing here is the implementation of all of this.”
Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 18:55 utc | 105
What we’re seeing is an end of an Empire dreaming, in a delusional state that it can accomplish any one of those outlines before collapse.
That “list”, is all over the boards, the US is grasping to grab pieces of a finished game chess board when the opponent has already walked away with the win.
BRICS. Gold. Tech. Weapons= US done ✅
Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 2 2025 19:22 utc | 117
Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 18:48 utc | 101
Apolgies Zet. I posted my reply to Featherless before i saw yours.
Posted by: KingCobra | Mar 2 2025 19:23 utc | 118
@Republic of Scotland,39
Your Irish cousins can’t wait to get in on the act as well, bye bye our nuetrality. Simon Harris our defense minister and vice PM says that Ireland can no longer ‘recuse’ itself from participating in any peace mission in Ukraine. Previously Ireland requires a UN mandate to send more than 12 peacekeeping troops to any conflict zone, but because the pesky Russians would veto that we will need to bring legislation before the cabiner on Tuesday so as we can get our little army massacred. F off citizens, your not getting a referendum.
Posted by: weeC | Mar 2 2025 19:24 utc | 119
@Zet
*facepalm* ok now I think i get it.
I was thinking « Globalists vs. Sane USA » but it’s still US Empire hegemony full spectrum dominance. Just separate from the Globalists, in competition with them and with BRICS. So 3 factions (at least).
And sometimes the globalists control the US, but sometimes it’s the PNAC gang.
Do I understand correctly ?
Posted by: Featherless | Mar 2 2025 19:28 utc | 120
So let me get one thing straight , the “willing” will only send troops after a cease fire…
But who’s supposed to fight until then? And why would RF sign before exhausting them?
If the Ukraine peace plan is off, why not just normalize things with the us ? Get them a piece of nordstream, some raw earts, titanium and uranium, pledge by 30% of all recovered cash in the EU in us securities and double pinky swear Russia won’t go to the all the way to the Atlantic.
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 2 2025 19:32 utc | 121
BRICS. Gold. Tech. Weapons= US done ✅
Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 2 2025 19:22 utc | 118
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The USA is not done until the 2nd successful repudiation of their odious debt.
Soonish.
Posted by: too scents | Mar 2 2025 19:33 utc | 122
Former Supreme Allied Commander Europe James Stavridis:
– I think that we are moving towards, I don’t want to exaggerate or be dramatic, that we are seeing the last days of NATO.
Posted by: Suresh | Mar 2 2025 19:39 utc | 123
British vessel ‘Levante F’ and a shipment of British missiles/weapons was reportedly struck by missiles in Odessa harbor. Reported by UKro media and RUMOD.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 2 2025 19:40 utc | 124
if russia could get norway on board to allow some missiles be put on its western shores, with the british isles in range, that would probably be enough to keep those war-instigators at bay. they are pretty comfortable hiding behind all those other european countries.
one can only dream…
Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 2 2025 19:41 utc | 125
weeC (120).
Jesus – after Ireland fought tooth and nail for it freedom – Collins, Connelly, Pearse etc who all fought and died for Irish freedom – I was proud, (even though I’m not Irish), that the Irish – stood against the British to win their freedom – something the Scots haven’t tried for in a long time, not since Baird and Hardie’s (1820) uprising.
The good folk of Ireland need to make their point to those in government – that Ireland’s wild geese – are not to be used as cannon fodder in Ukraine, as they were used in Suvla and Sud-El-Bar during WWI.
You may like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH50D2TAIa8
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 2 2025 19:46 utc | 126
So let me get one thing straight , the “willing” will only send troops after a cease fire…
But who’s supposed to fight until then? And why would RF sign before exhausting them?
If the Ukraine peace plan is off, why not just normalize things with the us ? Get them a piece of nordstream, some raw earts, titanium and uranium, pledge by 30% of all recovered cash in the EU in us securities and double pinky swear Russia won’t go to the all the way to the Atlantic.
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 2 2025 19:32 utc | 122
The operational assumption is that Ukraine with euro support can fight Russia to exhaustion. Ukraine ending into a “Fall of 1918” type scenario is simply not contemplated.
Posted by: Satepestage | Mar 2 2025 19:50 utc | 127
Posted by: Featherless | Mar 2 2025 17:25 utc | 57
‘This suggests that the Outlaw Empire in fact ISN’T the US, but the Globalists.’
I posted yesterday on different thread: ‘the neo-cons on both sides of the Atlantic must be thinking how to get rid of DJT, without losing his pro Zionist deeds’.
In my understanding the ‘globalists’ and ‘neo-cons’ are about one and the same. That is why there is the storm in globalist-controlled media about the need to continue to keep the war against Russia going until Russia is destroyed, parcellized, and reduced to the region around Moskva (duchy of Muscovy). That is their fascist, racist dream. Watching BBC, CNN, CBS confirms my thoughts, the usual talking heads are in full force – Anne Applebaum, Senators, Rutte, Ursula vDL, just to mention a few.
The problem with Trump for them is – how to stop him talking to Russians and make him cave in to the “Russia must be defeated”, despite the facts on the ground that USA has internal (fiscal and other) problems, and yet to pour billions of dollars in the Israel project.
The ‘Israel project’ needs good USA stable economy and backing more than ever, and smoothening relations with Russia would/should be in Israel’s interest, seems to me. Russia – under Putin – is also leaning towards Israel. So, why are the neocons so upset with Trump and his push to end the war in Ukraine? Something does not compute…
Posted by: fanto | Mar 2 2025 19:51 utc | 128
get ready (again) for world war III, folks
all these UK ‘boots on the ground and planes in the air’ would immediately become sitting ducks/targets for the Russians
and I can foresee the whole situation then spiraling out of control into nuclear threats, etc
Starmer has been rabidly anti-Russian for decades. he’s a mad-dog
https://x.com/ExxAlerts/status/1896253053311029269
E X X ➠A L E R T S @ExxAlerts
BREAKING: 🚨 Prime Minister Keir Starmer announces intention to put UK “boots on the ground and planes in the air” to protect a peace deal in Ukraine.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 2 2025 19:52 utc | 129
UK claims a “coalition of the willing” in place to put “planes in the air and boots on the ground” in Ukraine, although it will still rely on US participation and backing.
UK also announced $2 billion program to supply Ukraine with 5000 air defense missiles – which do not as yet exist, with production slated in Belfast.
It is apparently a “crossroads in history”.
Posted by: jayc | Mar 2 2025 19:58 utc | 130
Douglas Macgregor on X says new evidence linking Ukraine to Trumps 2nd assassination attempt has emerged.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 2 2025 20:00 utc | 131
Vlad the Self-Immolater to meet descendant of Vlad the Impaler with Sir Keith in attendance as Master of th Soothing Salves.
What happens next?
Will he be given a demonstrative tour of the basement menagerie at Sandringham (spoiler: it’s mostly lizards)?
Will he be given the deeds to Canada instead of the Trump, for the lolz?
Time will tell…
Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 2 2025 20:01 utc | 132
Si Trump veut la paix il lui suffit de déconnecter Starlink, de cesser de fournir des renseignements en temps réel aux ukrainiens sur le champ de bataille et d’expliquer à Zelensky que la CIA va lui envoyer ses « plombiers » si il n’accepte pas un cessez-le-feu.
Posted by: Lovelace | Mar 2 2025 20:05 utc | 133
Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 17:27 utc | 58
And if i heard him correctly, he said frozen Russian assets would be used to facilitate weapons supply.
Posted by: KingCobra | Mar 2 2025 17:35 utc | 61
FFS.
Say hello to the next sovereign debt crisis.
Can’t see the men in grey suits letting that one fly.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 2 2025 20:06 utc | 134
Re: languages ?
Note – Ukrainian is a dialect of Russian. Period.
It’s like calling Australian its own language. Silly
Posted by: Exile | Mar 2 2025 20:08 utc | 135
This is how it works:
Europe goes first. Sacrifices their boys. Gets whipped. Calls for help.
“FILTHY RUSKI DOGS ARE RAPING BLONDES IN LEDERHOSEN!”
America, reeling from self-doubt, collapsing living standards, and a torn social-fabric, brightens up at the notion ofgoing over there to throw off the Barbarian hordes.
FDR in 1940: “I know America does not want to see its boys fighting in another foreign war.”
Get ready. Things are moving 2x fast because Vlad is smart and not taking the bait.
With DJT at the helm, America just became 2x as stupid.
-Heritage European-American boys kiss their wife and daughter goodbye and make Miguel promise him that his girls will be taken care of-
Miguel (wraps arm around his crying wife): “Si, senor. You, like, fight for our freedom, ok? I stay here and care for them. Don’t worry, senor. I take care.”
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 2 2025 20:10 utc | 136
@Republic of Scotland,127
Cheers bro, One of my favourites
Posted by: weeC | Mar 2 2025 20:14 utc | 137
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 2 2025 18:24 utc | 89
Calm down chaps
Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 2 2025 20:15 utc | 138
Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 2 2025 19:22 utc | 118
You’re right, I should have written: “desperately trying to implement this to save a failing empire” 🙂
But when looking at industrial production during World War II we can see that it *was* possible and I believe that there are some people who think that it will be possible again, especially the tech bros who are already talking about a 5th industrial revolution based purely on robotics. Will it work? I have serious doubts… 🙂
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Posted by: KingCobra | Mar 2 2025 19:23 utc | 119
No need to apologize!
Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 20:20 utc | 139
Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 2 2025 20:15 utc | 139
Heh, I remember some discussion about that film a while ago, after news emerged that Ukraine had signed a bilateral security agreement with… er.. Luxembourg! There was some brief speculation about how well the joint naval exercises would work out…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 2 2025 20:27 utc | 140
In fact the british boots on the ground will be flying through the air !
And brit aircraft will end up on the ground ! and not in a good way.
Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 2 2025 20:27 utc | 141
Posted by: S | Mar 2 2025 18:45 utc | 99
Thanks. Good to see you here again, especially at this crazy time.
Thanks for the always wise words from Lavrov.
(Typo in translation: ‘In December 2001’ should read 2021.)
Trump told Zelensky that he didn’t have the cards and at the same time I think Trump realizes that the US doesn’t have the cards for the unipolar mountaintop the neocons have been striving for.
We have a saying here about climbing mountains that ‘there is no shame in turning back’.
Or as Ed Viesturs the American climber says, “To summit is optional, to return is mandatory”.
There’s a storm brewin’, Europe. Better head back down.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 2 2025 20:29 utc | 142
Posted by: Featherless | Mar 2 2025 19:28 utc | 121
I don’t have a clue but I will give it a try:
In my mental model there’s the Empire and an opaque set of powers who are calling the shots on the 1st level, probably dynasties like Rockefeller or Rothschild. Then at the 2nd level there are organizations like Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, WEF or Project25, Heritage, all the think tanks and stuff like Soros’ network, the Deep State – nothing is monolithic here. A lot of different factions trying to influence the relevant institutions like the US President, the European Commission or other governments.
There’s nothing like a fixed chain of command but there’s obviously a hierarchy here, the power is concentrated in the US but there’s another faction in the EU, probably also led by the old money like City of London etc.
Some are globalist, some are neocons, some whatever – and they all try to get the upper hand. The whole system is flexible and fluid and some things work out as planned at the 1st level and some things don’t. But every level is profiting from it, be it foreign governments, propagandists like the global media or even stars, the economy or other parts of the professional–managerial class – nobody is overlooking all of that, it’s just some weird re-inforcing system, a big blob.
I believe that a whole set of those people at the 1st level who roughly get how this all works, decided to switch their horse from Dems to Trump in the middle of 2024 as soon as it became clear that Kamala will never win. And obviously these people make sure that everybody needs to be in their pocket before getting near the US presidency… that doesn’t mean that Trump is in their pocket per se but that there are enough people around him or influencing him who are.
That means that the neocons/globalists, from Blinken to Baerbock, from Rutte to von der Leyen, are just pieces on the chessboard and they don’t get that there is another level which is way more flexible than they are. They think that they are calling the shots because it has been so for quite some time but the real powers to be have already moved on and are now shaping the reality in a different direction.
Ok, now feel free to hammer away and declare me an idiot – that’s just my model 🙂
Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 20:32 utc | 143
To my understanding, the US provoked the war in Ukraine, furthermore it’s not something German industry or likely even Merkel herself wanted. Once Russia invaded the Donbas to detain an ethnic cleansing underway, inter alia, the neoliberal Atlanticist, NATOstan order took as doctrine and dogma TINA applied to sanctions and war by proxy with Russia. The US invested hundreds of billions on paper, but this number is evidently exceeded by the EU itself, however it is the EU that has faced the economic brunt of the conflict, epitomized by the perpetually postponed resolution of the Nord Stream mega-terrorist act.
Now, under a new regime (coincidentally led by one of the same thespian guild as Zelensky), the US, having contrived this titanic mischief, is making the most convincing asseverations and postures that it will cease funding to Ukraine altogether, not least of which, to its military. While, on the other hand, the majority of EU technocrat-in-chiefs are sounding even more committed to funding the prolongation of the war in Ukraine to the tune of nearly a trillion Euro over a decade, and probably most of this money will be diverted to American arm purchases.
So the question then becomes, are the Eurocrat US quislings against their own combined European populations, by trying to utterly destroy EU economic competitiveness vis a vis a US that, contrariwise, is streamlining and rationalizing its military expenditures in a way that does not negatively affect its economy, because much of the latter is neither existential nor strategically empirically necessary (Zelensky’s “nice ocean” effectively does 90% of the job, barring false flags or nuclear Armageddon), while the Euros are swearing to hyper-expand war expenditures by the tune of hundreds of billions even as they’re limping along energy cost’s wise, when in fact Russia is not a threat to Europe beyond the Ukrainian borders (as a matter of Russian grand strategy), not to mention much of those promised hundreds of billions in military spending will probably end up being used to purchase US weapons in best quisling fashion. Did I miss anything?
Posted by: Ludovic | Mar 2 2025 20:34 utc | 144
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 2 2025 19:46 utc | 127
Thank you for that song. I hadn’t heard it before. I wonder what songs will be written about these times?
I found a good version of Foggy Dew by Blaggards.
This is a good one by the Irish Rovers I ran across in my little trip to Ireland via YouTube.
Donald, Where’s Your Trowsers?
Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 2 2025 20:36 utc | 145
.. Simon Harris our defense minister and vice PM says that Ireland can no longer ‘recuse’ itself from participating in any peace mission in Ukraine. ..
Posted by: weeC | Mar 2 2025 19:24 utc | 120
How does he view Israel? Is he a jew?
Posted by: Ново З | Mar 2 2025 20:36 utc | 146
So, why are the neocons so upset with Trump and his push to end the war in Ukraine? Something does not compute…
Posted by: fanto | Mar 2 2025 19:51 utc | 129
Have a look at my #144. I think that they just don’t get the whole picture and they don’t realize that there’s another level there. Oh, and a lot of them lost a lot of power because of Trump. It became an utterly bloated system which is being cleaned and made efficient again and in this process a lot of people or even nations will loose their status.
Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 20:37 utc | 147
Brilliant?!
According to DW News and Al Jazeera, Starmer’s solution to Trump’s refusal to prolong Ukraine’s half-assed War On Russia is to persuade Trump to help the Eurotrash prolong Ukraine’s half-assed war on Russia!
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 2 2025 20:40 utc | 148
Sometimes the parasite tick’s bite is more frequent than the dog. That’s what has happened to European NATO leftovers. But the comedian is running from pillar to post. France UK Germany are also pushing for peace with Putin. JDs galore!
Posted by: Jason | Mar 2 2025 20:43 utc | 149
Back in the day of Corbyn i may have sounded a bit panicy, a bit screechy.
I was’nt waveing i was drowning.
I saw this, i knew this, that makes this all the worse for me.
Anti-fascist for ever.
Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 2 2025 20:45 utc | 150
For the avoidance of doubt this war was baked in the cake back in 2007 when Dubya got on his hind legs and said “let’s get Georgia and Ukraine into NATO”.
Allied reservations were pooh-poohed, strong Russian objections ignored and slowly but surely they made their plans.
They wanted it, well now they got it.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 2 2025 20:51 utc | 151
CitizenSmith @ 69
The EU and Western “leaders” have no followers and are hated and despised by the majority of the people they purport to lead.
That’s what’s so mind boggling, if you have to hide your clarion call to war behind “coalition of the willing” and “peace keeping” bullshit it’s a stark indication you don’t have your citizens’ support and actually fear them; if you have to trick people into war you’ve lost before you’ve even started.
Meanwhile the Russians are getting 1000 volunteers a day even at this late stage, even after the brutality of this WW1 style war has become apparent. The Chinese have a 2 million man standing army and just wait till they sound the clarion call, the hundred years of humiliation is burned into everyone’s mind from grade school.
IMO the whole Trump-Zelensky-EU kayfabe is to create the necessary fear in the EU population for the call up, “we have been abandoned at the ramparts, all we have is ourselves to stop the barbarians at the gate.” In theory the clarion call should ring flat but it worked exactly as planned in Ukraine. I live in Europe and on the whole the Ukrainians aren’t any stupider than the Europeans. People in the west are conditioned to be conditioned. Hope I’m wrong.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 2 2025 20:54 utc | 152
We have a saying here about climbing mountains that ‘there is no shame in turning back’.
Or as Ed Viesturs the American climber says, “To summit is optional, to return is mandatory”.
There’s a storm brewin’, Europe. Better head back down.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 2 2025 20:29 utc | 143
so OT, but I once turned back at the last 50 feet. I kind of regret it, but I will also always remember what that last fifty feet looked like.
Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 20:59 utc | 153
4 1/2 minutes Jeffrey Sachs on Ukraine and why it happened.
https://x.com/lionelmedia/status/1896192766184657274?s=46
Posted by: osi not ossi | Mar 2 2025 21:02 utc | 154
Zet @ 144
The Pentagon are also power brokers in the equation, I doubt they want to get their ass kicked early in WW3, I think that’s what’s behind Trump’s purge of the DNC neocon’s and their fuck up of the prelude to war. I have a notion the USA would rather come in late in the game like WW1 and WW2 and come out the lucky winner over its exhausted allies and enemies alike.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 2 2025 21:04 utc | 155
Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 20:32 utc | 144
That’s about right.
My theory is, before the election, I said I want Kamala to win, because that meant NATO was going to try to keep both Israel and Ukraine going. If Trump wins, that means they decided to ditch Ukraine and focus on Israel.
Kamala winning would have meant defeat in Ukraine and Israel.
But they made the smart play, and decided to focus on Israel.
Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 21:04 utc | 156
Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 20:59 utc | 154
Yeah, maybe personal stories OT, but the analogy holds – and you’re still here.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 2 2025 21:05 utc | 157
What’s the odds that we get a collapse in Ukraine’s resistance is similar to the collapse of the Afghan national army?
If Musk turns off Starlink what does that mean for military communications? Would that matter anyway if the electric grid is unusable because the US now refuses recuperation assistance? And if hardware supplies are halted what choice does the lowly Ukrainian soldier have but to surrender?
It is interesting that Trump said he wouldn’t talk about Odessa at the now famous Zelensky White house debacle. He also said that he spoke with Putin only days before that meeting.
What if there is no ceasefire, negotiation and final settlement? What if it just collapses completely and Russia takes all of it? Post collapse negotiations would interest Romania and Poland and the US would be free to concentrate on other issues.
Posted by: VtObserver | Mar 2 2025 21:09 utc | 158
Posted by: Ludovic | Mar 2 2025 20:34 utc | 145
and from the Oval Office Shouting Match thread
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 2 2025 14:42 utc | 451
One could also claim that by making the EU swallow the Ukraine pill, they see EU will literally choke on it and be reduced as a viable economic competitor for US as EU destroys its own economy and companies and resourceful skill laborers run to the US. Trump also made a $5M immigrant visa program, clearly directed at wealthy Europeans. And most companies from the remnants of globalization already have production, R&D in USA and can easily move their EU ops inside USA.
To me it reeks of the same sort of anti-competitive business practices Microsoft had been accused of. I would hate to imagine Russia aiding and abetting what could amount to cannibalism – until now I thought a strong independent Europe (or at least a prosperous European branch of Eurasia) was in Russian interests.
Posted by: joey_n | Mar 2 2025 21:09 utc | 159
It would be sweet if Russia finishes off the sad remnant of the UK’s dwindling military.
Demilitarize England! Shit-holify it … oh wait, it already is!
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 2 2025 21:13 utc | 160
Maybe was my comprehension of this war a bit limited, but now, after the European war party decided to step in, I see that I was right about the Europe.
Europe just love this war and the common people in all European lands are more then willing to make sacrifices in money and flesh for Ukraine.
So, my predection was correct.
Putin does not understand that for Europe, more then for the US, this is a total war.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 2 2025 21:19 utc | 161
@ Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 20:32 utc | 144
(in my best Spock voice) : « Fascinating. »
I figured something like that. In the history we know, there were often financiers and hidden hands. My mind isn’t used to mysteries and subterfuge, and all that stuff, so it’s challenging for me.
To me, it seems like there are… a combination between a company and a mafia, and the leaders we see are just at best store managers, and we don’t even see the owners mostly, or at all.
I imagine social clubs like the masons, bilderbergs, trilateral, bohemian grove, with some members in more than one club. And they’re investors in events.
That’s as much as I can imagine. I’m particularly curious about the different factions, how much overlap there is, or discussion between them, and all that.
in the mix, I also imagine these astroturf things, like BLM, Antifa, Q-anon, these psyops and intrigues…
Anyhow thank you for your thoughts, all this is very interesting🌟
Posted by: Featherless | Mar 2 2025 21:23 utc | 162
common people in all European lands are more then willing to make sacrifices in money and flesh for Ukraine.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 2 2025 21:19 utc | 162
as you are one of those common people in europe, i am amazed that you are willing to make all the sacrifices in money and flesh for ukraine.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 2 2025 21:23 utc | 163
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 2 2025 21:04 utc | 156
Yes, somebody with real power (TPTB) made a smart move. Just as UWDude describes in #157:
>> Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 21:04 utc | 157
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>> But they made the smart play, and decided to focus on Israel.
Yes, probably because parts of TPTB simply are jews… 😉
Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 21:30 utc | 164
Posted by: vargas | Mar 2 2025 21:19 utc | 162
At the moment EU, so called leaders, are just venting gas from all of their body holes.
Macron, allegedly, is proposing a truce regarding air, infrastructure bombing and other things.
He, like you, is simply wet dreaming.
On the battlefield RF is and will keep going and the minions in EU can do nothing about it.
Posted by: Mario | Mar 2 2025 21:31 utc | 165
Zet | Mar 2 2025 20:37 utc | 148
Thank you for your reply. You make sense with your theory of ‘levels’. I can only add that the people with multiple passports are ‘vertically mobile’ between the levels and there is a big emotional solidarity among them, as Prof. Finkelstein said, bigger than among others. This means that the levels you mention have a ‘grey zone’ of mixing between them, like ‘messenger RNA’ in biology…
Posted by: fanto | Mar 2 2025 21:31 utc | 166
Posted by: vargas | Mar 2 2025 21:19 utc | 162
I would hold off on that, until you see the troops mobilised and heading to Ukraine. Do you know what the most common boy baby name is in UK. Not George, William, James or Charles. No it is Mohamed. Do you really think that the families of the Pakistani and Indian and Jamaican immigrants will happily send their boys off to be killed in Ukraine. I would assume that if forced to choose most would choose their home countries of origin, just as in Australia 100 years ago the Irish immigrants would not choose to go to war for Australia/England.
Then once it becomes clear that only the sons of the white British working class are getting killed then social tension becomes intolerable in the UK. Foolish government to choose that course of action. Pretty much the same in France. I doubt that Germany will be able to mobilise its massive Syrian population – same in Scandinavia and Holland.
When pensions and social services are cut real poverty arrives, which includes malnutrition and freezing to death. Social unrest is the inevitable outcome.
While the optimists here may assume some sort of socialist revolution, I think it will be outright fascism that arrives.
Posted by: watcher | Mar 2 2025 21:33 utc | 167
I think it’s the height of selflessness for the common people of Europe to make all the sacrifices in money and flesh for the Ukraine thing, a situation they can barely articulate, let alone understand.
Perhaps we should encourage more. /s
Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 2 2025 21:34 utc | 168
Anyhow thank you for your thoughts, all this is very interesting🌟
Posted by: Featherless | Mar 2 2025 21:23 utc | 163
Again, it’s just my mental model when trying to make sense of the world. I’m actually not very interested in the details because it’s hard to get real, valuable information and you often end up in some rabbit hole following some conspiracy theories…
The thing is: there’s definitely way more than we know and are able to see so we will have to live with being kept in the dark… :-/
Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 21:37 utc | 169
Z
attended a “bi-partisan senators” meeting before meeting Trump and chose to ignore good advice and still push his propaganda agenda that Russia started it we are innocent victims etc, anything to disrupt “friendly” agreements and between DT and Putin and clearly ignoring the point that DT was making that USA to be a mediator has to have a working arrangement with both sides.We know from previous Minsk and the Draft Agreement that Ukraine participants agree one minute and next minute deny their actions, hence then DT getting annoyed and feeling under pressure when z says Russia breaches agreements and DT say Russia will keep their word.
Hopefully after the USA initial meeting Russia might have handed over documentation as well as speaking forth about their “perspective” as it was put, eg Bucha etc. Probably not including Novichok Navalny Litvinenko etc incidents although we know Russia has put forward their “perspective” previously on such as these. It might be that the NED and USAid and other CIA involvement s might reveal info by the accelerating investigations by DOGE.
I still believe such a prior meeting would be seen as an attempt to undermine or confront DT that his approach was the way z sees Ukraine as should proceed and that DT gave him a chance even then to correct his manners but obviously z wanted to hold DT to the devious and horrible scheming previous administration that has caused so much grief to USA and DT , because the fairy tale is rapidly falling apart.
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Graham said he urged Zelenskyy ahead of the meeting with Trump not to “take the bait,” but he wasn’t the only one, sources told ABC News. They noted that Graham was very blunt, telling Zelenskyy to “suck up a bit” and thank the president extensively.
But senators on both sides of the aisle tried to provide Zelenskyy with “friendly coaching,” according to two people who were in the room during the bipartisan meeting with the Ukrainian leader.
While Zelenskyy did express gratitude while meeting with the senators, those in the room said he also pushed back, telling senators he needed a security guarantee. A few senators told him to focus on the mineral deal first and return to security later.”
No wonder L Graham despite all his efforts to manage the situation became absolutely against.
Posted by: Jo | Mar 2 2025 21:38 utc | 170
British vessel ‘Levante F’ and a shipment of British missiles/weapons was reportedly struck by missiles in Odessa harbor. Reported by UKro media and RUMOD.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 2 2025 19:40 utc | 125
Mentioned it back @75 and IMHO it’s what the poseidon in romenia was tracking and trying to keep safe
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 2 2025 21:44 utc | 171
I can only add that the people with multiple passports are ‘vertically mobile’ between the levels and there is a big emotional solidarity among them, as Prof. Finkelstein said, bigger than among others.
Posted by: fanto | Mar 2 2025 21:31 utc | 167
Thank you too, both of the things you mention above are useful to keep in mind though I’m not so sure about the latter and how far that extends 🙂 Basic solidarity yes but also extreme competition and intrigues.
Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 21:44 utc | 172
Do I understand this correctly? The Euros want a ceasefire of a month so they can mobilize an expeditionary force of 30,000? Who will be cannon fodder? This is the best fantasy they have?
Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 2 2025 21:46 utc | 173
Lavrov on the essence of European politics:
Over the last 500 years, all the world’s tragedies have been born in Europe or due to European policy. Colonization, wars, crusaders, the Crimean War, Napoleon, World War I, Hitler. The peacekeepers’ plan in Ukraine is a continuation of the incitement of the Kyiv regime to war against us.
Posted by: hubert | Mar 2 2025 18:47 utc | 100
Too true.
About the show Vance Trump Zelensky: when did it go astray?
When Zelensky uttered a truth: the USA are feeling safe across the ocean while the Ukrainians are killed for the benefit of the USA. For the USA started everything by organizing the coup in 2014. Cf. Nuland.
Now the current US administration feels no responsibility for what the former US administration did before as if there is no US State continuity.
Now Trump wants the butter, the money from the butter and the smile from the creamer. But the creamer rebelled. After depriving Ukraine from men, the USA want to deprive it from its resources. Like any mafia gangster.
They are all crooks and liars.
Posted by: Truth Seeker | Mar 2 2025 21:47 utc | 174
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While the optimists here may assume some sort of socialist revolution, I think it will be outright fascism that arrives.
Posted by: watcher | Mar 2 2025 21:33 utc | 168
That is exactly what will happen or, better, is already happening.
Posted by: Mario | Mar 2 2025 21:47 utc | 175
watcher @ 168
The thing to keep in mind is the EU warmongers aren’t counting on infantry, hundreds of thousands of EU conscripts in trenches across Ukraine, the talked about UK, French, German forces are the excuse for NATO to then contest the no-fly zone and bring in NATO air power to stymie, maybe roll back, Russia’s advance and force one more try if not at a Russian surrender then to a Russia forced to terms in NATO’s favor. Air power is a strong hand, it’s all the west has left, along with naval power in the Baltic, and they are going to go for it. Probably a good time to sell your house if you live next to a Polish or Romanian air base or a Finish naval base.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 2 2025 21:54 utc | 176
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 2 2025 19:32 utc | 122
The operational assumption is that Ukraine with euro support can fight Russia to exhaustion. Ukraine ending into a “Fall of 1918” type scenario is simply not contemplated.
Posted by: Satepestage | Mar 2 2025 19:50 utc | 128
They dream of being Zapp Brannigan and overloading the Killbots preset kill limit of 999,999. They should have noticed the russians are way over that limit and that tactic won’t work.
I’d love seeing what western european armies can take 60.000 unrecoverable casualties per month… France could provide for something under 5 months, the poles the same, germany 3, uk 1… so an extra year an no westrn armies ?
if against such “excellent” troops and full nato weapons ratios went as bad as 1:1 RF would still end with 1.2M against … zero for the willing.
If normal ratios (and i seriously doubt western armies would know better than AFU how to fight there… Now I understand the problem ISW mentioned, what could RF do with over 1.5 million soldiers and nobody to fight against in europe?
Seriously, are the willing short for willing to die in a ridiculous way?
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 2 2025 21:55 utc | 177
Posted by: Truth Seeker | Mar 2 2025 21:47 utc | 175
aww, poor Ukraine.
picked a fight with Russia because they had their buff boyfriend USA behind them.
USA sucks, it has shown time and time again it is run by psychoaths
But such beatiful flickering-blue square eyes, in which we can get lost in dreams of Eurovision fame and bearded ladies
Ukaine gets what it fucking deserves.
Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 21:57 utc | 178
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 2 2025 21:54 utc | 177
NATO tried entire 2023 and 2024 to build up self-sustaining air bases in Ukraine. Russia wrecked most of those attempts.
Consequentially now, Nato can’t project its air force from Ukrainian bases. They might use Ukrainian roads or bases as a refueling waypoint, but can’t arm or sortie strikes from within Ukraine.
Unless Poland or Baltics want to be turned into parking lots, the notion of Nato air force based in Ukraine is dead on arrival.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 2 2025 21:59 utc | 179
While the optimists here may assume some sort of socialist revolution, I think it will be outright fascism that arrives.
Posted by: watcher | Mar 2 2025 21:33 utc | 168
dont care either way, leadership is who determines whether it is for the better or worse, not economic ideology.
Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 21:59 utc | 180
The European imperialists are freaking out. Since 1990 they have colonized and exploited eastern Europe under the US military apparatus. They got to play second fiddle, and made out handsomely.
But, given its over-extension and indebtedness, not to mention failed strategies, the US now has to extract itself. It can’t go on. It can’t be involved.
Worse, from the standpoint of Europe, the US has a new leadership which is focused centrally on the new balance of power amongst Russia, China and itself. Multi-polarity does not include Europe.
Thus, Trump has pulled the rug out from the feet of Europe’s sub-imperialism.
Europe is now cut off from cheap Russian gas, utterly dependent on exports to the US, can’t produce sufficient munitions, and has been driven from Africa. Tariffs are coming.
What looks like insanity coming out of the UK summit, then, has a rationality.
Europe is on the verge of a precipitous fall down the imperial ladder, leaving the US, Russia and China on top. Living standards and the economic power of European capital will fall hard. Europe will regress to the semi-periphery.
So, they seem prepared to roll the iron dice over the pathetic chihuahua state of Ukraine and its freak nationalists.
Starmer announces boots on the ground, a coalition of the willing, air supremacy, missiles, and Ukrainian “sovereignty.”
In other words, the summit was a war council. Peace is conflict. World War III for the fantasies of liberal empire.
But, they know they can’t do this without the US. Otherwise London and Paris will be nuclearized.
So, this is a moment of reckoning. The European imperialists are being humiliated and it’s been a long time coming.
Posted by: Crumchy | Mar 2 2025 22:01 utc | 181
Delusional surely.
Macron said that he does not believe in a truce that Trump and Putin can agree on, and he and Starmer are preparing their own version: a moratorium on mutual shelling for a month, including a ban on strikes on energy. A peace agreement is scheduled to be signed in a few weeks, and only then will peacekeepers from France and Britain enter Ukraine.
⁉️Who told you, you idiot, that Russia would sign your nonsense? And your fake peacekeepers will all be killed.
The Entente wants to get into Trump’s negotiations with Putin in order to disrupt them with demands unacceptable to Russia. Ukraine is just an excuse. Because any warming between Moscow and Washington will be precisely against a frenzied Europe, from which a deadly threat is again emanating, as 90 years ago and in all previous centuries.
Posted by: Jo | Mar 2 2025 22:03 utc | 182
Bessent saying no mineral deal without a peace deal first.
That sequencing should have been made clear in advance of the Friday meeting.
There was no peace deal in place then.
Its possible, as I have speculated, that threats by the Russians were made to the Americans at Istanbul on Thursday, which were heeded by the Americans.
As a result, the deal was never going to be signed on Friday. The whole provocation that ensued at the Oval Office was likely staged to lead to this point.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 2 2025 22:03 utc | 183
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 2 2025 21:54 utc | 177
Airforce can be a powerful weapon but hypersonics are much better and difficult if not impossible to defend from.
NATO terroristic war tactics work well with weak opposers not so well, I guess, with a par opponent with possibly a better air defense than your.
Posted by: Mario | Mar 2 2025 22:04 utc | 185
⁉️Who told you, you idiot, that Russia would sign your nonsense? And your fake peacekeepers will all be killed.
Posted by: Jo | Mar 2 2025 22:03 utc | 183
its clearly in the “Rules Based Order Playbook, ed 24, chapter 8, section 63, subtext 9, that, and I quote
“Stop fighting back so we can regroup and kill you”
Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 22:07 utc | 186
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 2 2025 15:32 utc | 12
Yankee leeches – see a way of making money out of NordStream II.
Emphasis on “leeches” – you can say that again!
I read the RT article about that, and people in the comments are in agreement that this is “theft”. Nord Stream started off as a German-Russian joint venture with no US involvement.
To answer a question I posed earlier, I’m left concluding that Trump opposed Nord Stream at first because he had no control over it, and the prospect of US involvement caused him to take a 180.
OTOH perhaps the US investments can count as reparations for the broken pipelines. I dunno, but I’m hoping there is something that will shame the US into admitting its role in the destruction of the pipelines.
Posted by: joey_n | Mar 2 2025 22:09 utc | 187
4 1/2 minutes Jeffrey Sachs on Ukraine and why it happened.
https://x.com/lionelmedia/status/1896192766184657274?s=46
Posted by: osi not ossi | Mar 2 2025 21:02 utc | 155
Thanks. It is perfectly clear and the truth.
Posted by: Truth Seeker | Mar 2 2025 22:10 utc | 188
reeks of the same sort of anti-competitive business practices Microsoft had been accused of. I would hate to imagine Russia aiding and abetting what could amount to cannibalism
Posted by: joey_n | Mar 2 2025 21:09 utc | 160
Kaspersky shares your thoughts. After Putin’s interview where he announced plans to give anything to US “investors” (not buyers, big difference) who already stole hundreds of bn and killed them in large numbers, there’s panic at all levels.
“But, excuse me, how can you restore confidence in scammers? They took the money, while failing to provide the product and its maintenance, violating all signed contracts. What is that if not fraud? This ‘return’ will be akin to slipping back into the 90s”
( tass.com/economy/1920721 )
Posted by: rk | Mar 2 2025 22:13 utc | 189
Posted by: rk | Mar 2 2025 22:13 utc | 190
because you can steal “billions in frozen funds” from Russia, but you cant steal a factory or refinery or power plant.
Also, “Putin so weak, he call usa partners”
yeah, look at diplomacy now. See usa leader now, Russia on one hand saying “lets make a deal, partner”, and Ukraine on the other saying “give me more money daddy, and go beat up my ex boyfriend”.
Try watching some historical chinese dramas some day. You will learn wars are decided by far more than just soldiers, logistics and territory. There is an incredibly complex framework of internal factions in any nation, all pliable and viable.
Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 22:20 utc | 190
I don’t know how true this is, but if so the withdrawal of USA forces decreases the risk of nuclear war and consequently enables a conventional escalation, well, at least until the Russians get fed up:
The Pentagon plans to withdraw at least 20,000 troops from Europe.
The current contingent of the US Armed Forces in Europe is 40,000 troops. They are stationed in Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania and Slovakia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Germany.
Ramstein Air Base and several other facilities will be handed over to the Bundeswehr and other units to ensure their security.
According to preliminary information, the US Navy will leave the recently built joint NATO base in Constanta, Romania.
“>https://t.me/CyberspecNews/76148
unimperator @ 180
Unless Poland or Baltics want to be turned into parking lots, the notion of Nato air force based in Ukraine is dead on arrival.
Looking at the quality leadership there they seem fully up for the parking lot option, each and every one was put in power by Brussels because they are narcissist opportunists unconcerned with the fate of their country, exactly like Ukraine. Maybe concerned citizens in ex Warsaw pact countries should check property records to see if the leadership is selling its houses? Which reminds me, I need to ditch that beach condo I have next to Sigonella!
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 2 2025 22:21 utc | 191
Vargas 162
of course Putin underdtandd this could be total european ear…which is why he said he in prepared to attack military assets bades etc in these countries if for example planes fly from them to attack russian assets -with or without ukrainian pilots.
Posted by: Jo | Mar 2 2025 22:21 utc | 192
We’ve been here before.
Just before the SMO the western aliance were doing this same saber rattling. Blaming Russia the victem for the wests provocations.
Russia replied with action not words.
And here we are again only on a pertentialy much larger scale.
They wont learn. They think they can wage war without spilling their own blood.
Also i’m not hearing the downside mentioned of this… death and distruction on our very own streets.
The speculation is over. This very week we will feel the full force of reality.
2,000,000 dead so far. most of them inocent
Time to pay that bill in kind.
Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 2 2025 22:23 utc | 193
According to Dima (I know, I know), Zaluzhny met Zelensky in London, shook hands and he attended the War Council (lol) in Lancaster House.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 2 2025 22:25 utc | 194
I believe Zelensky to be a clone of Chewbacca Uncircumcised gone rogue.
Posted by: King Rektum | Mar 2 2025 22:27 utc | 195
Mario @ 186
Airforce can be a powerful weapon but hypersonics are much better and difficult if not impossible to defend from. NATO terroristic war tactics work well with weak opposers not so well, I guess, with a par opponent with possibly a better air defense than your.
The big question is is the EU stupid enough? Looking at everything that has happened since 2014 I’d say they are. It just hit me that maybe this structured stupidity is exactly what Trump and the Pentagon are counting on. The USA didn’t just spend the last 28ys moving NATO up to Russia’s borders, but hand in hand with that it stocked Europe to the gills with imbecile leaders. Have the nitwits in Europe destroy themselves destroying the Russians and the USA can come in in the last three months and rule over the spoils.
I thought the EU leadership was plain mad but there’s a method to the madness 🙂
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 2 2025 22:34 utc | 196
The thing to keep in mind is the EU warmongers aren’t counting on infantry, …
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 2 2025 21:54 utc | 177
Whatever they are counting on, the people who were asking: “why doesn’t Putin go all in? now he must do xyz!” do have their definite answer now. Going slow isn’t that bad after all…
Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 22:39 utc | 197
ChatNPC @ 195
According to Dima (I know, I know), Zaluzhny met Zelensky in London, shook hands and he attended the War Council (lol) in Lancaster House.
Yes he did, there was a photo. Afterwards Zelesnky visited King Charles where they sacrificed a baby and drank its blood before the 10ft solid gold statue of Satan Charles keeps in the lowest basement of Clarence House. A toast to victory.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 2 2025 22:43 utc | 198
Starmer says we need to be able to negotiate with Russia from a position of strength.
In reality in a hart beat England will be flattened, (wind direction allowing)
And Euope will negateate from a position of weakness.
Whilst america looks on.
I’m prepped.
Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 2 2025 22:48 utc | 199
Posted by: vargas | Mar 2 2025 21:19 utc | 162
———-
So far the Eurotards only proposed to station troops at the front line to implement a cease fire deal.
They didn’t propose to sent troop to be killed on the battle front.
When it is for statements about democracy, international rules and human rights, the Eurotards are always present. When it is to die for those values they count on Ukraine.
Whatever those warmongers pretend, they:
Have not enough military to oppose even if they wanted ;
Have no tanks, gun and ammo to sustain even one week of fighting ;
Have no industry to manufacture them;
Have no will to produce at cost but only want producing with big benefits ;
Have no money to finance all that as they run stellar deficits since years;
And above all, have no will to come back into body bags.
So STOP your permanent BS about EU willing to die for this war. They just want Ukrainian to die for them.
Posted by: scc | Mar 2 2025 22:49 utc | 200