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March 27, 2025
Trump’s Rewritten ‘Deal’ With Ukraine Is Imposed Indentured Servitude

The Trump administration wants to press Ukraine into infinite indentured servitude for payments and weapons previously delivered by the Biden administration with no conditions attached to them.

Hedge fund mogul and U.S. Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent has (re-)written the 'mineral deal':

U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said on Wednesday Ukraine may sign an economic deal next week …
"We have passed along a completed document for the economic partnership (that) is currently being reviewed by Ukrainians, and we hope to go to full discussions and perhaps even get signatures next week," Bessent said.

Trump said on Monday he expects a U.S.-Ukraine revenue-sharing agreement on Ukrainian critical minerals to be signed soon.

The (former) Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski acknowledged the arrival of the agreement (machine translation):

President Volodymyr Zelensky said that the United States offered Ukraine a new version of the agreement on minerals . During the press conference , he stressed that the issue of Ukrainian nuclear power plants is not in it.

"This is a big full deal for the American side, from the steps that were taken earlier. A framework agreement, you remember, and after the framework agreement, the full agreement is developed. Now the American side has offered our side a big deal at once, their vision," Zelensky said.

The deal, see below, is anything but an 'offer'.

Zelenski should have signed the earlier 'framework agreement'. It would have allowed to later stall on the implementation. Now he will be pressed to sign on to the details.

The new 'big deal at once' is a 'horror' for Ukraine (machine translation):

A new version of the agreement on minerals between Ukraine and the United States, in which, as reported by ZN.UA, now the American side wants control not only over the extraction of rare earth metals, but all the minerals of Ukraine and the infrastructure associated with their extraction, provides for unlimited US control over Ukrainian resursans and with the right of veto of the Americans on their extraction by Ukraine. At the same time, the United States does not offer any security guarantees, and such a monopoly should be a "payment" for the already provided US assistance to Ukraine, said Yaroslav Zheleznyak, a People's Deputy of Ukraine.

"I received this document from our officials yesterday.This is not the final document. And I hope the Ukrainian side will demand and achieve significant changes to it. But the text that I saw is straight horror. All 18 sections … this is no longer a framework memorandum of intent (which was before the scandalous meeting in the Oval Office). This is a very big and very clear deal. And it is not in our direction," he wrote in his Telegram.

The legal text has 60(!) pages. Its main points, according to Zheleznyak, are these (machine translation):

  • The Fund is managed by five people, three of whom are from the United States and will have full veto power;
  • We are talking about all minerals, including oil, gas and undeveloped deposits throughout Ukraine;
  • we are talking about mining by both public and private campaigns;
  • the Fund's money will be immediately converted into foreign currency and withdrawn abroad. If suddenly, for some reason, something did not reach the Ukrainian side, Ukraine pays extra;
  • US contribution – assistance already provided to us from 2022 (according to the Kiel Institute, US assistance to Ukraine in 2022-2024 is estimated at $ 119.7 billion)
  • The United States can choose to make a profit. At the same time, they will receive "royalties" from the Fund first (and then Ukraine) +4%.
  • The agreement will be valid indefinitely
  • Changes to the agreement or its completion are only possible with the permission of the United States;
  • US priority right to all new infrastructure projects and veto the sale of resources to other countries.

This 'deal' is pure extortion and robbery. It would bind Ukraine indefinitely. It would also discourage any investment in any natural deposits in Ukraine. There is no chance that any such deal will be ratified by the Ukrainian parliament. 

Why wonders then: Why does the Trump administration even bother?

Comments

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 27 2025 17:36 utc | 50
“Russia was headed the same way but then Putin happened.” That’s one hell of an understatement. Now, why has there not been a leader of similar stature elsewhere? Perhaps China is a close second, based on progress rather than an individual.

Posted by: horseguards | Mar 27 2025 19:28 utc | 101

Posted by: Gabriel | Mar 27 2025 19:02 utc | 91
The true war is Whites vs Jews and you are on one side or the other.
There are no other sides and you cannot, even in the slightest or most nuanced way, be on both sides.
All other races and peoples and countries can only choose one of these sides.
Most Whites don’t know this truth.
Most jews know this truth, but lie and conceal.
Many, many powerful Whites are traitors, wittingly or unwittingly, for money or power.
Putin may go either way. He has shown deference to jews and he has strongly cracked down on others.
Nothing is promised tomorrow.
But every word of what I say in this comment is true.

Posted by: ryanggg | Mar 27 2025 19:33 utc | 102

Hot Carl 90 … et al … on ledger control , debt and commodities, who has the best hand?
Arguably, BRICS+, even without launching a new “super currency”
That said, beside the obvious Asia/Europe need for commodities in particular, it’s shaping up for a big “ledger fight” between US “stablecoin” systems, digital euro and digital yuan … not sure there are any other major contenders on the horizon (despite many CBDC trials and various proposals for backend “digital currency bridging”) …. other than that, there remains satoshis’ invention as a dark horse around the edges

Posted by: E | Mar 27 2025 19:33 utc | 103

Agree that the whole signal kerfuffle (and Russia “negotiations “) is most likely to cajole Europe into an Iran /ME “adventure” for resource control

Posted by: E | Mar 27 2025 19:38 utc | 104

Or in other words, only two sides are aware of the actual battle taking place
1) jews
2) Nazis
Everyone else is confused, brainwashed, useless idiots or wild ideological “true believers”.
Jews have recently lost huge demographics from their golem army by showing their true colors.
And they never give anyone anything, ever.
So the cycle of time continues.
Wake up and ride the largest wave of (well deserved) antisemitism in the history of the planet.

Posted by: ryanggg | Mar 27 2025 19:38 utc | 105

Perhaps Ukrainians will finally awaken to the fact that the Outlaw US Empire has waged war on their nation from the outset and is the actual enemy along with the Nazis it promoted to the enemy within. I wonder how Russia will view this grand attempt at theft. It certainly confirms the Empire’s continuing predatory nature, that it continues trying to enrich itself at the expense of others.
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 27 2025 16:01 utc | 10
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Legally, as you have pointed out, there is no one in Ukraine who can make decisions on this. Elections, first, otherwise, there is nothing binding. Who the decisionmakers are in Ukraine is not clear.
IMHO, this is a great delaying tactic and a thumbing of the nose at UK/EU while accomplishing nothing, letting the Russians keeping their move on.
Hearing the reaction from US politicos would be interesting to hear but maybe they no longer care.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 27 2025 19:40 utc | 106

🇺🇦🇺🇸 US wants all minerals forever !
The details of the new rare earths agreement, which the proposed to sign, explained by Verkhovna Rada deputy Yaroslav Zheleznyak:
– USA is talking about all minerals and rare earths.
That is, oil, gas, potentially new discoveries and existing
– Across the entire territory of Ukraine
– Rights of production for both state and private companies
– Revenue is converted directly into currency
– The fund’s money is transferred to a bank abroad.
If something gets lost or stolen, Ukraine compensates for it.
– The fund is managed by 5 people, 3 of them from the United States with full veto power
– The US does not contribute anything now, because the aid already provided to Ukraine since 2022 is counted as contribution.
– The agreement is valid indefinitely.
Changes only with the permission of the Americans
– The US has the “first night” rights to all new infrastructure projects and the right to veto the sale of resources to other countries
– Nothing about security guarantees

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1905258949823127955

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 27 2025 19:41 utc | 107

The Ukrainian Rada and Zelensky will sign the deal if USA provides them more bribes than UK. All for sale, highest bidder. Zelensky himself said the West pays rent for the war, when the rent ends, the war ends.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 27 2025 19:46 utc | 108

From Slava Ukraini to Slave Ukraini.

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Mar 27 2025 19:47 utc | 109

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 27 2025 18:50 utc
I would suggest the strongest has the power of enforcement and the power to ignore. For them, the terrorist label is meaningless. Basically, the US MO.

Posted by: horseguards | Mar 27 2025 19:49 utc | 110

Controlling resources and supply chains/logistics has reverted to meatspace again though… not to cheap promises… digital ledgers are generally NOT tied to meatspace (with the big exception of satoshis’ excellently distributed ledger backed by energy consumption)

Posted by: E | Mar 27 2025 19:50 utc | 111

Posted by: Gabriel | Mar 27 2025 18:51 utc | 85
“Can they swear on the bible?” I think this phrase reveals the depth of your erudition.

Posted by: horseguards | Mar 27 2025 19:52 utc | 112

Wrecking, Genociding, Plundering and Looting is the driving force of the present US admin.
The present text makes Versailles look like a charitable imposition.
Shocking. But I’m beyond ‘shocked’ with the behaviour of the US over the past quarter century ….

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 27 2025 19:53 utc | 113

As far as I had believed regarding the UK 100 year deal, the UK will control all sea ports and mining operations post war. I think Uk/Europe may be fighting the yanks in their next war

Posted by: Boardindundee | Mar 27 2025 19:54 utc | 114

No permission needed is a continuing advantage for satoshis’ ledger propagating

Posted by: E | Mar 27 2025 19:55 utc | 115

The US oligarchy now resembles the ruling class of Athens which conquered and then enslaved its neighbors to work in the silver mines. MAGA archaism has reached all the way back to 450 BCE and proposes to ‘indenture’ the entire Ukrainian nation. Sadly for the people of Ukraine their fascist rulers are willing to sell them into servitude of Western capital.

Posted by: Keme | Mar 27 2025 19:57 utc | 116

Posted by: Boardindundee | Mar 27 2025 19:54 utc | 114
I don’t think USA has no interest in helping Ukraine just so they can give all their stuff to Britain and London banks. I see Trump’s deal as punishment for Zelensky, given Trump KNOWS Zelensky already gave everything to Britain with the 100 year deal. It is meant to be refused to reinvigorate the excuse to cut Ukraine loose.
Ratings agencies just a few days lowered US credit agency, which may also play into it.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 27 2025 20:00 utc | 117

Basically, ukrops do not fight for liberty, independance or sovereignty. They already had it since 1991 and the fall of Soviet Union. They are fighting to destroy everything Russian in the artificial boundaries of UkSSR. That means language, culture and even people of Crimea, Donbass and Novorossiya submitted to ethnic cleansing or Borg-like assimilation.
They think they belong to Marvel or Disney culture rather than the Russian world.
So it makes sense to become an American colony like Porto Rico, included in a very formal way.

Posted by: NATO is defeated | Mar 27 2025 20:15 utc | 118

For the ones who can read some documents more than 5 minutes long : before you keep posting here as if you are experts, go back and read from various sources what is the Ukrainian nation. Read if there is a major difference in language, origins and religion between various locations bundled together by Lenin, Stalin and others. Check if Ukrainians committed ethnic cleansing. In fact, Galicians or Ruthenians …two different ethnicities …

Posted by: Gabriel | Mar 27 2025 20:16 utc | 119

Not agreement capable. Why should we be the only ones?

Posted by: SO | Mar 27 2025 20:24 utc | 120

There are UKrain offshore oil and gas deposits in the Black Sea, most of it off the coast of Crimea, but some near Odessa. Mobil or Chevron had previous rights iirc. Previous, current, future claims are getting complicated!
If the US, UK and EU are staking mineral rights claims, then they must believe that Russia has limited war aims. The shrieks of the Russians are coming, the Russians are coming echo cold war propaganda.
Pipeline infrastructure could be a passive money maker. If the US secures UKrain transit fees of Russian gas/oil to the EU, it is almost free money. Throw in partial ownership of Nordstream, this war’s long term economic equations become more favorable.
Z-girl really needs to be offed. Humanity would be much better off with it’s non existence. The consolation is that it is in a living hell. It’s remarks about Putin’s longevity are pure projection.
The current EU opposition to the Black Sea grain deal might be posturing due to their wanting some crumbs from the pie.

Posted by: jopalolive | Mar 27 2025 20:24 utc | 121

Well, in more than 3 years since the the so called SMO operation ( with the purpose of killing as many white slavs ) began, the Sochi mansion of Putin the weasel was never attacked. Probably because Sochi is on some kind of secret piece of land that keeps moving the coordinates :-). I’m sure all square heads will agree with my theory and will not think further … 🙂

Posted by: Gabriel | Mar 27 2025 20:29 utc | 122

What a deal. Slava ur-krazi!

Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 27 2025 20:33 utc | 123

Looks like the US and its vassals are severing the Belarus – Kaliningrad gas pipeline that goes through Lithuania by using the sunken M88A2 Hercules armored recovery vehicle as a pretext.
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/77901
The situation with the sunken US ARV is even more odd than it seemed. The 40-ton tank lies at a depth of 5 meters, at the bottom of a swamp connected to the lake, along the bottom of which runs a main gas pipeline. Now the entire Lithuanian army is pulling a new road to the swamp, filling in the dirt road for the tanks. Then they will pump out the water and turn off the gas that goes through Belarus to Europe via GIPL.
Some info from (weaponized and biased) Wikipedia:
– Pabradė where the US and other NATO parties were conducting there invasion rehersals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pabrad%C4%97
– Gas Interconnection Poland–Lithuania gas pipeline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_Interconnection_Poland%E2%80%93Lithuania
– Minsk–Kaliningrad Interconnection gas pipeline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk%E2%80%93Kaliningrad_Interconnection
To me it would seem the US and its vassals are using this incident as a pretext to turn off the Minsk–Kaliningrad Interconnection gas pipeline so Kaliningrad can only be provisioned with gas by sea.

Posted by: xor | Mar 27 2025 20:35 utc | 124

@59
Putin is fighting like a pussy. Meanwhile you’re not fighting at all.

Posted by: Fred777 | Mar 27 2025 20:38 utc | 125

“What exactly am I being carted off to the front for?”
-just about any Ukrainian conscript at this point
Posted by: Fred777 | Mar 27 2025 17:50 utc | 57
Thus the reason behind the banning of the Russian language, opposition parties and media outlets. The USAID propaganda must have been slipping…

Posted by: jopalolive | Mar 27 2025 20:48 utc | 126

Xarxento | Mar 27 2025 18:36 utc | 79

The sad irony in this is that this whole mess started because Yanukovych went with the Russian sweet commercial agreement, instead of the “sweetest” UE deal.

How is that “irony” ? He tried to do the best for his country and was bull-dozered by evil ! Ironic is not the word is it ?

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Mar 27 2025 20:49 utc | 127

Well, until proven the contrary, Putin is a treasonous weasel. Too sad …

Posted by: Gabriel | Mar 27 2025 20:53 utc | 128

And … what else can you expect from a world audience of the worst Kabuki theater … two
.traitor nations handing hands

Posted by: Gabriel | Mar 27 2025 20:58 utc | 129

@ryanggg | Mar 27 2025 19:38 utc | 105
jews (meaning zionists?) and nazis you say and they both know what it is all about
I am sure you will continue believing in your stuff
and that you will ignore the following
Namely about the fact that great Britains way smarter intellectuals created both those sects.
And that doesnt mean either knows that.
You have picked these two actually brainwashed groups as an example of people in the know. You could hardly have chosen a worse example. Know that the leading nazis said an englishman was their inspiration and that they learned so much from him about the aims for Germany. Both the Kaiser and the leading nazis said that about Houston Chamberlain
And the zionist Israelis have claimed that they invented zionism themselves but that isnt true. The british wanted the jews back to England when the English decided they would have an empire. And if the jews had partners of equal importance to them England wouldnt be able to dominate. That required that the jews would be coopted firmly with the english come British rising empire. Thus England invented their own variant of the protestant ‘dialect’ to make it more pleasing to the jews so they would convert to that new (some say judified) version of the christian religion.
Since something most Historians dont mention concerns how Britain and its soon rising empire in parallell with the mentioned process also saw the Venetian oligarchy transplant itself to England mentoring the English monarchs about both the Cabbalah and the Talmud. Characteristic for both is that they may fit into a context where one has to consider business rivals and partners respectively. And that is probably less fitting in a germanic context.
But the jews did not dominate in Venice. There was a higher power above them, the Knights of Malta and that order continued to have a degree of control over the later generations of financiers in Europe.
The idea that rich jewish financiers ever really controlled the rest is a convenient myth that the anglosaxon elites gladly supported for people to keep thinking about but those jews always served the current empire be it the Roman empire or later angloamerican empire. The way to tell is to show cases when those jews really did something in opposition to the empire. People never show such exampls because there are none.
Israel today behaves like other european settlers did in all the anglosaxon colonies. And the latter have no intention to return half of north america to the indigenous tribes that remain.
And like I said albeit I took the liberty to skip many details, the english invented zionism. So Israel is but another colonial project. The Palestinians who are Hamas are just as much a sect created partly by the imperialists since the muslim brotherhood has that background and never was a genuine movement for muslims or arabs. It was manufactured by the British Orientalists as an instrument in the service of british intel.
Likewise a somewhat similar pattern exists for north american indians who were drawn into a fake religion created by european colonisers for the purpose of getting rid of them. Cynthia Chung careful litterature studies have made an in depth study of that topic.
It suffices to say that there are recurrent themes showing themselves in a comparison with both the case of Israel and the other colonies of the anglosaxon.
Zionism and nazism both are fake religions invented by the same british empire.
The sect members didnt really create it.Even though they are both evil in their own way they werent very creative. Smarter british minds did it for them. And an important reason to create them in the later versions was in all likelihood to isolate the jews in order to have a strong controlling hand over the bankers.
This was the case before the FED. After its creation both the imperialists and the bankers could agree about how to bring profitable war.
Before the FED however an easier route would have been that the bankers continued to collaborate with Germany and Russia and without any need for wars. This is never touched by Historians who are mostly bent to tell you the anglosaxon version of history. In that version there is never any need to explain that hidden aspect. Only Britain needed war and revolutions and that is why they invented communism as well as those other cults

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Mar 27 2025 21:01 utc | 130

Gotta love all this democratic accountability and transparency:

Illegal detentions and beatings became a trend: the ombudsman declared problems with [TCCs]
The Ombudsman’s office said that violations by the [TCC] have become systemic. Dmitry Lubinets explained what violations occur most often
This was announced by the Verkhovna Rada Commissioner for Human Rights Dmytro Lubinets, reports RegioNews .
According to the Ombudsman, he is ready to submit his detailed report to the Parliament on mobilization and human rights violations. According to him, illegal detentions and beatings from representatives of the [TCC-SC] have become a new viral trend that cannot be stopped without a reaction from the state. In particular, Lubinets listed common problems.
[Physical violence] There are cases of arrests in [TCCs], on the streets with the use of brute physical force.
Knocking down people on the roads . There are reports of cases when employees of [TCC-SCs] intentionally cause accidents in order to forcibly stop cyclists or motorcyclists.
Employees of the [TCC] often do not allow lawyers to visit detained persons , and this is a legal right. In particular, information about detained citizens is often hidden from relatives.
Non-admission of representatives of the Verkhovna Rada Commissioner for Human Rights, as well as forced signing of documents. We are talking about cases when people are forced to sign subpoenas or other documents without explaining their content and legal consequences.
Detention without proper detention facilities . There are cases when mobilization measures were applied to persons who have legal grounds for postponement or are not subject to mobilization at all. For example, students or people with disabilities.
“The systemic nature and scale of these violations require urgent decisions at the State level to ensure respect for human rights in the mobilization process. Thank you to the Ukrainian Parliament, dear People’s Deputies for their attention to this topic and understanding that mobilization should take place with respect for human rights, ” the Ombudsman says.
Earlier, Dmytro Lubinets said that only in the last 2.5 months 40 individual complaints were received regarding violations in the Kharkiv region. We are talking about the non-admission of lawyers, the use of force, weapons and other special means, non-acceptance of documents and other violations.

https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/ukraine/1743019302-nezakonni-zatrimannya-ta-pobittya-stali-trendom-ombudsmen-zayaviv-pro-problemi-z-ttsk (via translation add-on.)
And its one, two, three,
What are we fighting for?
Don’t know, just get on the plane
Next stop is U-u-ukraine

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 27 2025 21:06 utc | 131

I haven’t seen the big pink elephant in the room mentioned so far, namely that Trump is making this “deal” with illegitimate Ukrainian officials who overstayed their terms of office. Wouldn’t that nullify the deal under International Law™ anyway?

Posted by: Lucky Joestar | Mar 27 2025 21:13 utc | 132

American Logic 101:
Trump imposes taxes on EU alcohol, than the EU poodle comes back to impose 50% on American liquor, than DT turns around and slaps 200% tariffs back onto the EU.
Who’s got the bigger balls to win is the question.

Posted by: Mr.ass | Mar 27 2025 21:19 utc | 133

But wait, there’s more:

Beaten and strangled: the official of the Vinnytsia [TCC] and her subordinate attacked the booked man
Employees of the State Bureau of Investigation reported suspicion to the deputy head of the Vinnytsia United City territorial Recruitment and Social Support Center and her former subordinate because of the beating of a military serviceman who had a “reservation”
This is reported by the press service of the State Bureau of Investigation, reports RegioNews .
According to the investigation, the incident occurred on September 12, 2024. On that day, a man came to the Vinnytsia [TCC-SC] and received a summons. He worked for a critical infrastructure company and had a valid reservation. During his stay in the institution, he was sent to the deputy head.
” The official was dissatisfied with his behavior and began to force him to sign a questionnaire for military service and refuse to book. After the man did not agree to such actions, she hit him on the head, and then began to strangle him, ” the SBR added.
The official’s subordinate, who was in the office, punched the victim in the face and head at least three times. After the beating, the man’s phone was taken away.
Because of the attack, the victim received a brain contusion, bruises and abrasions. He did not sign any documents and applied to the State Bureau of Investigation.
Now the investigation is underway. Law enforcement officers are studying other possible cases of violence by the leadership of the Vinnytsia [TCC-SC].
The official and her former subordinate are suspected of abuse of official authority by a military official, which caused significant harm committed under martial law by a group of persons (Part 1 of Article 28, Part 5 of Article 426-1 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine).
Malefactors should be removed from their posts and given preventive measures. The defendants face imprisonment for up to 12 years.
We will remind, in the office of the Ombudsman said that violations by the [TCC] have become systemic. Dmitry Lubinets explained that illegal detentions and beatings have become a “trend”.

https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/vinnichina/1743094472-bili-ta-dushili-posadovitsya-vinnitskogo-ttsk-ta-yiyi-pidlegliy-napali-na-zabronovanogo-cholovika (via translation add-on.)
Trumps ‘deal’ would require (among other things) a compliant and subservient populace, not one seething with resentment and anger at their treatment by those who declared themselves to be in charge.
It’s also been mentioned elsewhere that there is still a lot of unresolved historical antagonisms between the WW2 Banderite pro-Nazis and the resistance partisans.
So, I’ll repeat a question asked in the Open Ukraine thread: Does the concept of Ukraine as a unified whole even exist any more?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 27 2025 21:24 utc | 134

I realize I’m straying off topic… but my earlier comments are key in the case of Canada… with its neighbour (and even ottawas precedence to turn off bank accounts!) there is no way to physically secure the country so satoshis’ invention of a secure digital ledger backed by global energy networks is becoming of critical importance to Canadians !
Vote satoshi my fellow canucks!

Posted by: E | Mar 27 2025 21:25 utc | 135

This is a legal unenforceable contract. No legal contract goes indefinitely

Posted by: Scottindallas | Mar 27 2025 21:42 utc | 136

Ost Rentner
Thanks for the detail on those not-worth-anything-mineral-deposits.
SFSN

Posted by: Exile | Mar 27 2025 21:46 utc | 137

One more piece of evidence that Ukrainians would be much better becoming part of Russia than remaining as a Western neo-colony.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Mar 27 2025 21:49 utc | 138

This deal isn’t for Zelensky. It’s for Putin. Ukraine will reject it, and they will do it rudely, waving their baboon asses in the air and threatening America.
When they do, Putin can say, “withdraw America from the war, we will roll over Ukraine, liquidate all the politicians, and then accept this deal while turning administration of western Ukraine to the EU.”
Trump will say yes.

Posted by: Phelps | Mar 27 2025 21:50 utc | 139

petergrfstrm@130….one group you missed, as it is areligious and accepting of all faiths, invented by the very same Brits you speak off. International Freemasonry.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 27 2025 21:57 utc | 140

Reptoids have wanted to bring back slavery/serfdom for Americans for a looong time. Why would htey hesitate tp enslave/eimserf the Uki’s?
Purin would probably offer better terms.

Posted by: lester | Mar 27 2025 22:04 utc | 141

One more thought and that’s it. Imagine a scenario where the righteous and friendly and all powerful Americans by proclamation demand that elections be held in US backed and led former state of Ukraine.
And the winner by a wide margin runs on the plank of immediately severing ties with America and the EU.

Posted by: chunga | Mar 27 2025 22:10 utc | 142

The ‘western alliance’ dosent look very aligned.
Maybe we should start calling it what it is…
‘The western total shambles’
My advice would be… pack up and go home.
And ‘never throw good money after bad money’
Next.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 27 2025 22:14 utc | 143

And the winner by a wide margin runs on the plank of immediately severing ties with America and the EU.

Posted by: chunga | Mar 27 2025 22:10 utc | 142
Such a winner would almost immediately be:
a) placed under arrest for “constitutional irregularities” or
b) assassinated
or possibly both, in that order, for the avoidance of doubt.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 27 2025 22:15 utc | 144

Simplicity, here, is the cleanest way out.
Let the U.S. give Ukraine a legitimate chance to *make good* on the various limited ceasefire agreements, and if Ukraine fails to comply, then hand them off to the Europeans.
Meanwhile, for Russia, chive-on w/ your objectives.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 27 2025 22:17 utc | 145

‘The western total shambles’

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 27 2025 22:14 utc | 143
“The Coalition Of The Croissant Eaters”…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 27 2025 22:18 utc | 146

Acco Hengst | Mar 27 2025 19:40 utc | 106–
Thanks for your reply, Acco. Zakharova doesn’t address Trump’s extortionate demand in her weekly briefing but did note yet more lies by US Media and Zelensky that I used as contextual filler for other important notes that matter, “Maria Zakharova: Western Media Still Pushing Well Known Lies”. As I note, BigLie Media’s prevarication is about the equal of Trump’s, and neither are to be trusted.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 27 2025 22:18 utc | 147

Reptoids have wanted to bring back slavery/serfdom for Americans for a looong time. Why would htey hesitate tp enslave/eimserf the Uki’s?
Posted by: lester | Mar 27 2025 22:04 utc | 141

WTF is a reptoid?

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 27 2025 22:20 utc | 148

So, I’ll repeat a question asked in the Open Ukraine thread: Does the concept of Ukraine as a unified whole even exist any more?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 27 2025 21:24 utc | 134

No. Soon to be followed by NATO & EU.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 27 2025 22:20 utc | 149

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @ 130
More like Bagel munchers ! 😟

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 27 2025 22:26 utc | 150

The Europeans are doing everything they can to derail a peace agreement. Trumps’ car tariffs are telling the Europeans to reconsider.

Posted by: Passerby | Mar 27 2025 22:27 utc | 151

I have a hard time articulating because it goes without saying that practically nothing (Gaza and other genocides aside) could make USA look more obnoxious to everyone on Earth (including US Americans) than open discussion of such an utterly shameless international extortion.
Why do they all hate us? Was there ever any ambiguity?

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 27 2025 22:27 utc | 152

The Europeans are doing everything they can to derail a peace agreement. Trumps’ car tariffs are telling the Europeans to reconsider.
Posted by: Passerby | Mar 27 2025 22:27 utc | 151

Yipping Chihuahuas, ankle biters to be ignored. They’ll shut up and fall in line eventually.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 27 2025 22:29 utc | 153

Why do they all hate us? Was there ever any ambiguity?
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 27 2025 22:27 utc | 152
Think WWI and WWII. Americans had no business in either.

Posted by: HelenB | Mar 27 2025 22:31 utc | 154

Why does Trump even bother putting forth impossible deals for Ukrainian minerals? Simply put, because he views politics and policy through a personal lens. Zelensky sided with his deep state enemies and facilitated his first impeachment and Trump hasn’t forgotten. The more humiliating the proposal, and the larger the reaction to said offense, the better for Trump. The bigger the circus, the better.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Mar 27 2025 22:38 utc | 155

The bigger the circus, the better.
Posted by: Thirdeye | Mar 27 2025 22:38 utc | 155

“In magic, misdirection is the art of subtly directing an audience’s attention away from the actual method of a trick, making them focus on something else, and thus believing in the illusion.”

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 27 2025 22:42 utc | 156

Lol thanks b, didn’t see this new post until just now!
Love it! as I was just saying on the previous thread that I was looking for somewhere to post about slavery that I had been looking into for some time now.
Synchronicity strikes again!
That’ll have to wait though.
Imposed Indentured Servitude is just another word for slavery.
The fact is indenturement means some form of contract and the proverbial pound of flesh penalties. points to the self absorbed ‘contract’ inventors!
If it’s written, signed and publicised then it is sacrosanct!
Bulllllllshiiiit!
There is no ‘independent’ judge or jury or court that it could be arbitrated in.
Just like the Balfour declaration or the proverbial Merchant of Venice’s ‘claim’.
Or indeed the words on currency notes!
Indeed just like the Balfour Declaration was brokered and backed by the newish US Fed‘s private shareholders for the establishment of a zio fascist imperialist state in the Levant without the need to acknowledge the pre existing native Semetic peoples of the region!
This is exactly the same scam! Run by the same agents and the USA government for exactly the same be ficieries without asking or acknowledging the native Slavic peoples of the ukraine!
It’s an offer that can only be refused!
No one would be that dumb to agree to it in ukropia unless they were agents for the beneficiaries.
Certainly not the majority of whover is left of the ‘to the last dumb ukropians’.
Can they be so dumb?
Only a owned judicial system for and on behalf of the contractual beneficiries would ever rule on the legitimacy of such a worthless piece of paper signed in the midst of a conflict which has not yet ended.
Unless of course the illegal apartheid entity is forced to decant back to its real ancient homeland in what will be land-locked, rump Ukraine as it was in pre soviet days!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 27 2025 22:57 utc | 157

We are in a period w/ Project Ukraine when all the fig-leaf lies have to be boiled down eventually to their actualities—and it will take a modicum of *stepping down* gradually, like the way locks in the Panama Canal, for instance, lower ships to the *next* level before passing them westward, in order to stave off *dropping* the ships an unsurvivable height, or in this instance in order to stave off absolute cognitive dissonance within the Euro elite or the population.
A lot of people are still saying, “You mean Ukraine *is not* winning the war-?”
A lot of people are still saying, “You mean Russia *is not* a gas station masquerading as a country-?”
And it is not as if DJT’s minerals deal will keep everyone’s interest through this lengthy period of mental adjustment. Nonetheless, that is what the DJT admin has to offer.
What DJT’s admin has to offer is unimaginative & uninspiring–and yet it is all they have right now. Russia is in no hurry to end the SMO. They are riding high. They are committed to their objectives. They are unified. Even Russia sees that it is only the U.S. and the NATO members who are confused as to how to admit defeat, sign a capitulation and then move matters to the next stage. So Russia patiently bides its time. And takes more territory every single day.
One thing is for certain: the U.S. Congress will not allocate even a dime more to this endeavor. But today, France agreed to send 2 billion more euros in military support to Ukraine, without showing how that amount of weaponry & aid can turn the tide in this conflict.
A massively losing enterprise like this right now bleeds rationality–but no one in Europe is willing to ask the hard questions. In other words, they are not willing yet to *step this process* down. To repeat the analogy from above, the ship has entered the Panama Canal, but it is not ready to be lowered the sufficient height in order to move productively westward.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 27 2025 23:16 utc | 158

The “bad” deals on trade, gas transit and the Sevastopol lease that Yanukovych was “Maidaned” for in 2014 look fabulous by comparison.
Perhaps they should have a referendum to rehire him if Yanukovych decides he wants to return.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Mar 27 2025 23:20 utc | 159

“… IMO, there’s an important lesson for us all given at the end regarding the see-saw that’s happening with political-economic doctrine, and there’s one for Europeans about what genuine leftists ought to do to change the narrative in their favor.”
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 27 2025 17:43 utc | 55
Thank you, karlof1 for that long discussion on Dialogue Works between Nima, Michael and Richard — I’m giving their first names so as not to mistake how I spell their last ones, but also because my comment will be about the concept of friendship.
😉
For me, the anchor point to the discussion is what Michael said at the beginning and repeated at the end, that he feels Trump is not being a true friend in giving Putin all that Putin needs and wants with respect to Ukrainian assistance. That rather, he (Trump) has in mind to threaten to withdraw from such deals in future if he (Putin) doesn’t do what Trump wants him to do, which is create divisions with other powers and join Trump against them.
I have to say I hadn’t been suspecting this. And I think most US citizens also would not. Putin doesn’t think this way. Nor does Xi. This kind of thinking is what happened in the US after three time elected FDR died. It’s kicking the ‘can’ (US popularity) down the road, and that road was a long one because most people in the rest of the world thought of the US as a neighbor. I’ll disagree with Richard: I think it took a long time for that neighbor role to lose its charm, its true power. All the way from then to now.
The distinction worth making is between being that kind of a ‘friend’ and being a neighbor in Christ’s sense of the word. You don’t go to war with the latter. And all it would take to restore that is maybe another real leader to come along, and get himself elected three times. Putin did that. Someone in the US could too. And the people would rally.
Just saying.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 27 2025 23:25 utc | 160

That rather, he (Trump) has in mind to threaten to withdraw from such deals in future if he (Zelensky) doesn’t do what Trump wants him to do, which is create divisions with other powers and join Trump against them.
Posted by: juliania | Mar 27 2025 23:25 utc | 160

Fixed it for you.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 27 2025 23:31 utc | 161

DS map update just dropped:
https://deepstatemap.live/en#6/49.4383200/32.0526800
Overall: Another poor day for the RFA, with 7.4 kmsq taken. March is really turning out meagre.
Specific changes, S to N:
1. E of the New York salient (Pantelamonivka). Had been dormant a long time, prior.
2. Very thin, long strange salient towards Katerynivka (Nevske/Terne area). Something to keep an eye on, if they can widen it, or enter the village. Or if it gets beaten back.
3. Fields near Orlianka (due W of Kupiansk). Another change at a relatively static area. See if more results, or if this was a one off.
———–
From other sources, DPA says RFA has been geolocated making an advance in Kursk to the main road border crossing, a few hours ago. (Did not make it into this DS update. Something to watch for tomorrow.)

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 27 2025 23:34 utc | 162

This isn’t meant against Z, but rather against Europe, which now wants, indeed absolutely needs, a piece of the pie. By presenting this “agreement,” Europe is shown that they will get nothing in any case, thus any speculation about war profits if a war against Russia breaks out is illusory.

Posted by: smartfox | Mar 27 2025 23:36 utc | 163

Posted by: juliania | Mar 27 2025 23:25 utc | 160 (continued)
See, that’s how Dostoievski thought of the Russian people, and he was right. All it would take is a leader who was a neighbor to them. The people as a whole, anywhere in the world, have what it takes to respond positively when a leader like that comes along. It’s not a matter of ideology; it’s a matter of family relationships, human friendships. Those are the universals that count. And that’s what makes multipolarity cohesive.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 27 2025 23:37 utc | 164

I propose that as z(lowercase as he has no capitol ho ho) owes lots of loan debts eg IMF…to UK loans and UK has loan guarantees with Ukraine….I seem to recall loans by various EU institutions . ECB ….any one else? Please list. As far as I know the interest due this year is more than a years budget income. So if USA takes assets for payback…nothing left in Ukraine to pay off the debts so finally defaults, making it even easier for USA to grab assets.
So ….USA has the leverage to take it wants …and lets those screaming debts not be paid to finish off Ukraine and also all those UK and EU economies …especially as these propose even more debt, take peoples savings,
to support Ukraine and re-arm costing minmum 1.7trillion themselves for an EU and UK united war against Russia by any means .But blame the russians of course as the Ukraine project was a rehearsal for this, and this project Ukraine to break up Russia is not stopping says Alex Krainer hence sanctions to continue, united, the re-arm project for their own MIC using Ukraine resources mineral metallurgy setting up armaments industries there.Point proven. Hence fury at Trump he might only be passing by anyway lets keep him on his toes and distract the hell out of him, use his vanity and megalomania against him .
Maybe they haveconvinced z to continue playing their game.
Same M.O. grab Ukraine resources, continue onto Russia with all their lies and scheming, always Russia that breaks agreements , still attacks energy infrastructure, sabotage everywhere even poisens Skripal, supports chemical weapon Assad(so he must go by any chosen means) etc.
EU trying to take out DT eg undermine his administration, so DT will want leverage against them, hence his threat re Nato, might abandon EU and UK? Hence his reference intention triumviate continents USA Russia and China no mention of europe……
Ref:
Alex Krainer The Coming downfall of Britain debt debt and Ukraine debt will tip it over.
Krainer substack
Britains accelerating decline
The fall of Global Britain
Europes undying russophobia and teagedy of its idiocracy
dialogue works Nima, The westvs itselfa silent collapse?

Posted by: Jo | Mar 27 2025 23:38 utc | 165

Ps – That video of a dog not leaving the butchered bodies of its owners in Kursk found by the liberating Russian soldiers is yet another level of heartbreak and tears – the bastard natzos again.
They must all be hunted down and denazified. I don’t want them in my Europe. In my EurAsia. They must be tracked down and served justice.
I’d feed them to the dogs that have lost their families.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 27 2025 23:40 utc | 166

It’s like South Park’s ‘Underpants Gnomes’.
1. Start a war in someone else’s country under false pretences using Cold War fear mongering over Russia.
2. Have your puppets take the country to war and offer it the weapons to do so in dribs and drabs so it loses around 1 million of its own people and finds itself in massive debt in perpetuity to the principal weapons supplier. “They will die for us to the last Ukrainian”. Hopefully we’ll weaken a global rival as well (Russia). And in losing the war Ukraine becomes massively indebted through-Lend Lease.
3. Make massive profits by claiming Ukraine is now more or less the property of the US disregarding any sovereignty the country ever had and in the style of it being one of the greatest modern imperialist/colonialist thefts in history. The US didn’t even have to put official military boots on the ground.
With friends like this who needs enemies?

Posted by: George | Mar 27 2025 23:42 utc | 167

Posted by: Kadath | Mar 27 2025 18:03 utc | 60
“The Ukrainian people brought this upon themselves …”
Well, yes and no. I have some sympathy for “ordinary” Ukrainians. They’ve been slowly gaslighted since independence (1991) by their own politicians and the Russophobic forces in Europe and USA. All children from that era — including Zelensky (b. 1978) — have been educated into the adult mindsets of 2025. They’ve been kept nationalistically “comfortably numb” — NO DIFFERENT TO all other Western liberal “democracies”. They’ve been promised a rosy EU/NATO future for 35 years. They voted-in a TV comedic “President” on the promises of his peace platform. It is a moot point as to how wilfully culpable “the people” are. Same as for Biden/Harris voters.
“When they supported a US backed coup on their own country .. ”
No. THEY didn’t “support it”. They could hardly resist it! You try resisting a CIA-, MI6-, SBU-, Azov-backed coup, with police rounding up suspected dissenters … or burning them in buildings, à la Odessa. Plus a Govt-orchestrated civil war to repress the predominantly blue collar Russophilic Donbassians for 10-20 years. How else would Kievan and Galatian voters vote?
If there’s one collective political achievement that Zelensky, Poroshenko, Biden and EU leaders have done over 10 – 20 years, it is the amplification of Russophobia for generations to come. Such ingrained social mindsets are very difficult to change … see human history.
PS, same for the Baltics.

Posted by: Indulis Kradzins | Mar 27 2025 23:46 utc | 168

What is the purpose of a ‘no go’ proposal?
Great excuse to say ‘Let’s go’ away, of course, letting UK/EU have it.
Z is now asking that the ‘peace keepers’ be turned into UKie combatants. He might know that could be another ‘no go’ but he has never been short of chutzpah.
Stay tuned, as the peace proposals roll by.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 27 2025 23:50 utc | 169

Karl substack.
You wrote: “ Putin’s in Murmansk commissioning a nuclear submarine and addressing the plenary session of the VI International Arctic Forum ‘The Arctic: Territory of Dialogue.
Some years back I remember Russia holding the rotating chair role in an article group that contained all the countries in that region.
Is that the group you reference here? What’s happening with that article Council… given every memos now de facto at war with Russia? Is Putin still spouting “cooperation”.
It is obvious Trump’s Greenland grab is intended to throttle Russian development of it’s Arctic region.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 27 2025 23:52 utc | 170

I ve never seen such a nude, crude, brazen shameless robbery and pilferage over other people.s land wealth and resources.. It recalls the then Belgian Congo back in king Leopold s 1900 years.
WE can say without any shade of error that #404 Ucraine would be much better off if they surrender, get neutral further expel the nazis
. And subsequently signs an economic deal including gas with moscow.

Posted by: augusto | Mar 27 2025 23:53 utc | 171

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 27 2025 21:24 utc | 134

So, I’ll repeat a question asked in the Open Ukraine thread: Does the concept of Ukraine as a unified whole even exist any more?

There has always been two Ukraines, imagined by two distinct Ukrainian nationalisms. One emerged from the Ukrainian territories of the Russian Empire and in general gravitated to the left, seeing itself as part of a larger Eastern Slavic world that had been culturally suppressed, economically exploited, and denied the possibility of development under Tsarism’s feudal system. This Ukrainian nationalism was in conflict with Tsarism but not with Russia per se, whose people also suffered under the Tsarist yoke.
This form of Ukrainian nationalism eventually became incorporated into the Soviet System, as one of the major republics of the Union. Ukrainian culture, especially its folk music, became very popular across the Union, and much of the Soviet tech industry and MIC was concentrated in Ukraine. The ‘Cuban Missiles’ that gave the Yankees such a headache were produced in Dnepropetrovsk by the Yuzhmash enterprise (severely damaged in last year’s Oreshnik strike), and from 1956-82 a Ukrainian held the Union’s top job.
The second form of Ukrainian nationalism (the one that we are familiar with today) emerged in the western region of the Ukraine controlled by the Austro-Hungarian empire and subsequently Poland. It gravitated toward the right wing, race based nationalism that emerged in central Europe in the late 19th century and then the emerging Fascist movements of the early 20th. Defining itself as a superior Nordic race surrounded and suppressed by ‘mongrel Slavs’, this Ukrainian nationalism defined itself in opposition to Russia (and Poland) and advocated extreme violence to ‘cleanse’ Ukrainian territory of undesirables. But even this was not regarded as sufficient in securing the ascendancy of the ‘Ukrainian race’. By defining itself as an ‘anti-Russia’, it committed itself to the destruction of the Russian state and its people. This is the genocidal ideology of Bandera and the current Maidan regime.
Lenin’s decision to incorporate the Donbass into the newly minted Ukrainian SSR is often criticized, but can be understood as an attempt to strengthen the first variant of Ukrainian nationalism again the second. It simply wasn’t possible to ignore or suppress Ukrainian nationalism in the context of the huge upsurge of national consciousness in Eastern Europe that followed the dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian, Tsarist, and Ottoman Empires. The best course of action was to harness the more progressive form of Ukrainian nationalism toward the creation of a multinational socialist Federation and encourage the expression of ‘Ukrainian-ness’ primarily in the cultural sphere.
It is controversial to argue that Russia may have made an error in incorporating the Donbass and southern Ukraine into the Federation, as this was the will of the people in these historically Russian territories. However it may have been preferable to create a new Ukrainian government and incorporate it into the Union State instead a la Belarus. This would prevent the Maidan regime from laying sole claim to Ukrainian nationalism and undermine its appeals to patriotism. This also could allow Russia to play the ‘proxy’ card and get around the legalities of border changes. This option depends upon the extent to which the non-Nazi Ukrainian nationalism still exists.

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Mar 27 2025 23:59 utc | 172

So, I’ll repeat a question asked in the Open Ukraine thread: Does the concept of Ukraine as a unified whole even exist any more?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 27 2025 21:24 utc | 134
Did it ever?

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 28 2025 0:02 utc | 173

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 27 2025 23:16 utc | 158
EU can’t build a formidable military industrial complex.
I will maintain the industries are in very bad shape to start with, with stalling consumer demand in EU has already pushed the steel industries, and specialized ones to the brink. They will require emergency funding, hundreds of billions just to get in shape.
After that, most of the assumed Trillion Euro budget will disappear into general supply chain inflation due to most things needed for EU industry, components and minerals have to be imported with the Euro, whose value is increasingly dwindling due to the newly founded fiscal and trade balance deficits.
So most of the massive budget will disappear for diminishing results, and whatever was planned for won’t be achieved.
Economically, it’s a suicide for the bloc. EU consumer spending will be killed amid transfer of budgets from non-defense, like healthcare, social transfers and other public sector jobs into the narrow defense industry which has a very low economic growth multiplier due to limited number of jobs and most money going into commodity/intermediary product purchases (from outside Eurozone) and low number of new jobs.
The military Keynesianism idea is Dead-on-arrival.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 28 2025 0:06 utc | 174

“Ukraine” (like “Ober Ost”) was invented by Germany during WW1 to destroy Russia. Rosa Luxemburg warned against it in 1918:
“Der ukrainische Nationalismus war in Rußland ganz anders als etwa der tschechische, polnische oder finnische, nichts als eine einfache Schrulle, eine Fatzkerei von ein paar Dutzend kleinbürgerlichen Intelligenzlern, ohne die geringsten Wurzeln in den wirtschaftlichen, politischen oder geistigen Verhältnissen des Landes, ohne jegliche historische Tradition, da die Ukraine niemals eine Nation oder einen Staat gebildet hatte, ohne irgendeine nationale Kultur, außer den reaktionärromantischen Gedichten Schewtschenkos.”
machine translation:
“Ukrainian nationalism in Russia was quite different from Czech, Polish or Finnish nationalism, for example, nothing but a simple quirk, a fad of a few dozen petty-bourgeois intellectuals, without the slightest roots in the economic, political or spiritual conditions of the country, without any historical tradition, since Ukraine had never formed a nation or a state, without any national culture apart from the reactionary-romantic poems of Shevchenko.”

Posted by: p3t3r | Mar 28 2025 0:11 utc | 175

The military Keynesianism idea is Dead-on-arrival.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 28 2025 0:06 utc | 174

100%

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 28 2025 0:12 utc | 176

Looks like the US and its vassals are severing the Belarus – Kaliningrad gas pipeline that goes through Lithuania by using the sunken M88A2 Hercules armored recovery vehicle as a pretext.
xor | Mar 27 2025 20:35 utc | 124

Putin had offered the return of Königsberg to Angela Merkel’s Germany at one point; she declined. I presume Russia could simply abandon it if push comes to shove. The Abendland might however be vengeful on the russian-speaking population just to poke the bear a little more.

Posted by: persiflo | Mar 28 2025 0:13 utc | 177

King Charles admitted to hospital after suffering side effects of cancer treatment | BBC News
Anyone want to open a betting sweepstakes on who carks it first.
The king or the pope?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 28 2025 0:17 utc | 178

Posted by: persiflo | Mar 28 2025 0:13 utc | 177
Finland, Sweden, Baltic states, Poland and Germany have been aggressively pushing for disruptions in Russian commercial vessels in Baltic Sea.
If they disrupt the Russian gas pipe to Kaliningrad, while disrupting commercial shipping, it could make the Kaliningrad situation untenable. Russia has to use gas/LNG tankers to move the stuff in from its ports near St. Petersburg.
I think we will see a lot of heat-up and close-calls in the Baltic soon. A French spy plane (manned, 10-20 crew) was already nearly shot down around Kaliningrad. Now the interesting question is what is Trump admin going to do if/when they shoot down some Europoodle planes?

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 28 2025 0:20 utc | 179

So Trump got the deal and also got Europe to start rearming to fight Russia so US can pivot to China (and Yemem/Iran). Makes that White House argument/fallout with Zelensky look like a setup, a setup for the public in Europe to start paying for more war, and in US that Trump is somehoe a strong man of peace or something, etc etc etc and on and on with the propaganda crap as we all march ever closer to all out war
ANYWAY, have you all seen that footage of missile strikes on the USS Harry S Truman, that is defo NOT old movie footage – it might be fake but it is NOT the old movie footage as claimed in X’s community note etc. And let’s not forget that “leaked” chat dsicussing how the top missile guy in Yemen was blown up the other day – that all seems just a tad convenient in timing, dont you think? Not to mention the B2 bomber fleet just arrived in Diego Garcia, second acrrier on its way etc (not enough for attack on Iran IMO). It could EASILY be fake propaganda stuff put out by Yemen/Iran as they are being hIt so hard by the US they thought theY need to claim some success, which of course has been severely lacking.

Posted by: Keith | Mar 28 2025 0:21 utc | 180

Posted by: Keith | Mar 28 2025 0:21 utc | 180
Even though we don’t have direct video material, I believe Houthi’s have hit US carriers more than once, albeit, perhaps with small explosive drones or even missiles.
The USS Rosevelt carrier was sent packing toward the Suez canal after reported engagements with the US carrier task force. That was probably Fall of 2024 or so.
Deploying 6 or 7 B-2 bombers could imply that US has been spooked or shaken of earlier combat and defeats. I think they will be used to take out whatever bunkers or tunnels they have located in Yemen. They can fly over Yemen to drop bombs with relative ease, but they could not achieve that against Iran.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 28 2025 0:30 utc | 181

Manifest Destiny
https://repository.essex.ac.uk/39506/2/Savages%20and%20Citizens.pdf
Posted by: Oui | Mar 27 2025 19:00 utc | 88
Gracias Oui!

Posted by: samu | Mar 28 2025 0:30 utc | 182

Now the interesting question is what is Trump admin going to do if/when they shoot down some Europoodle planes?
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 28 2025 0:20 utc | 179

Hopefully tell EU that’s FAFO and they’re on their own.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 28 2025 0:31 utc | 183

I think we will see a lot of heat-up and close-calls in the Baltic soon. A French spy plane (manned, 10-20 crew) was already nearly shot down around Kaliningrad. Now the interesting question is what is Trump admin going to do if/when they shoot down some Europoodle planes?

Never let a good crisis go to waste, I guess. So rile them up and have the Baltic under threat of blockade, which would force the bear onto his backfoot. His next move then must be the final pretext to the Abendland’s most likely long-term future as the rimlands to the Eurasian steppe – a bit like a colony of mussles growing on an old woodpile at the entrance of a Scottish village harbour. Not that I’m against Scottish villages and harbours, by all means I love them. It’s just not exactly world domination.

Posted by: persiflo | Mar 28 2025 0:39 utc | 184

Even though we don’t have direct video material …
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 28 2025 0:30 utc | 181
_________________________________________________________________________________________________
Have you seen the forty-something second clip on X (and probably elsewhere)?
https://x.com/paulus153092911/status/1904793960016691278

Posted by: Keith | Mar 28 2025 0:44 utc | 185

@unimperator again

Deploying 6 or 7 B-2 bombers could imply that US has been spooked or shaken of earlier combat and defeats. I think they will be used to take out whatever bunkers or tunnels they have located in Yemen.

Yes, that might be it! The B2 is afaik the only plane capable of carrying out the heavy bunker busting strikes which were also used to get at Nasrallah. Someone here on MoA posted the minutiae to that scenario. TJ, was it you?

Posted by: persiflo | Mar 28 2025 0:55 utc | 186

The video i just posted a link to is actually a twenty second clip repeated – there are two hits on the carrier deck, and whilst i agree it could easily be fake, it does at leats look like what we would expect to see, what we witnessed striking Israel. We know Yeman/Iran has the capablity, they just need to either overwhelm the defense or work out some kind of sneak attack pattern to get success.
There are many questions of course, like who filmed it, etc.
But it is not the movie clip as has been claimed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lJZP5Gq7ss&t=20s

Posted by: Keith | Mar 28 2025 0:58 utc | 187

Returning the name of Mount Denali in Alaska to Mount McKinley, and changing the Gulf of Mexico into the Gulf of America was nothing but code for the current Trumpian doctrine of clear cut neo-imperialism.
It should have (and may have been) a wake up call for many people. President McKinley’s election win in 1896 ushered in the US’s 20th Century step in the direction of becoming the newest imperialist/colonialist kid on the block. This was in contrast to Lincoln and the later American Anti-Imperialist League’s disdain for imperialism and colonialism.
I think this rivets Trump into holding virtually the same doctrines (if not worse) as the neocons that were in PNAC who wanted 50 years of war to make America great again and get rid of all the ‘baddies’ in the world. They reappear in all US governments as they were in the last.

Posted by: George | Mar 28 2025 1:14 utc | 188

there are two hits on the carrier deck, and whilst i agree it could easily be fake, it does at leats look like what we would expect to see.

As a layman, I didn’t expect the carrier to be aglow like a christmas tree in the night. And where is the CIWS?

Posted by: persiflo | Mar 28 2025 1:20 utc | 189

Here’s the Deal, we take it, you leave it.
ABC News
“Trump says US will go as far as we have to to get control of Greenland
Thu, March 27, 2025
Trump showed no indication of softening his ambition to take control of the island, which is an autonomous territory but part of the Kingdom of Denmark.
“We need Greenland for national security and international security,” Trump said, taking reporters’ questions in the Oval Office.
“So we’ll, I think, we’ll go as far as we have to go,” he continued.
“We need Greenland. And the world needs us to have Greenland, including Denmark. Denmark has to have us have Greenland. And, you know, we’ll see what happens. But if we don’t have Greenland, we can’t have great international security.”
Trump added, “I view it from a security standpoint, we have to be there.”
Meanwhile people are still bitching about Crimea joining Russia.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 28 2025 1:21 utc | 190

For all the square-heads on this forum, who don’t get that Putin, Zelenky and Trump are part of the same Kabuki some-screen … find a better way to use your free time … It will take too much to explain now … the alternative is to figure it out yourself in a few years after it will be obvious even for a monkey …
Posted by: Gabriel | Mar 27 2025 19:02 utc | 91
Yes, super complex conspiracy of backdoor unknown secret cabal deals to fool the world with war “so obvious”.
Fuck off.
It would take me forever to explain it, but it’s “so obvious”.
Fuck off.
Fuck off.

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 28 2025 1:26 utc | 191

Good few comments on European stupidity and economic suicide in this thread …. military keynesianism etc and false narratives –
fyi
Glenn Diesen and Michael Hudson [a good hour – well worth it
Prof. Michael Hudson: Economic Collapse in Europe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bCqxWDbSvw
Hudson and Wolff with Nima today are worth checking out ….

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 28 2025 1:26 utc | 192

Someone here on MoA posted the minutiae to that scenario. TJ, was it you?
Posted by: persiflo | Mar 28 2025 0:55 utc | 186

Not me. Don’t recall seeing it either.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 28 2025 1:27 utc | 193

All this minerals talk is just Trump’s way to eat the L of Ukraine losing while calling it a W for him personally and Nato by extension. There is no viable plan to provide the sort of long-term investment required to access any minerals in Ukraine, just like afghanistan, which still does not produce minerals.
Mining is incredibly time (15 years to begin extracting) and capital expensive and requires total acquiesence from local government to allow environmental destruction, while also requiring the government being stable enough to guarantee the investments. Ukraine doesn’t have these things.
This is a massive loss for NATO as well as Ukraine, and there is no possible way for the US to recoup it’s money.

Posted by: Op Adriano | Mar 28 2025 1:37 utc | 194

This deal smells like: “heads I win, tails you lose.”
If Ukraine signs off on it, US wins.
If Ukraine refuses, it gives Trump yet another reason to dump the Biden regime’s project.

Posted by: AmusedIndian | Mar 28 2025 1:38 utc | 195

As a layman, I didn’t expect the carrier to be aglow like a christmas tree in the night. And where is the CIWS?
Posted by: persiflo | Mar 28 2025 1:20 utc | 189

Just looked at the video and yes there’s soooo much wrong with it. Where’s the rest of the CAG? The CAP? Where are the SM3/SM6 smoke trails, the chaff clouds, (as you mentioned) the CIWS tracers? The deck aircraft arrangement is off for night ops in an active war zone as well.
It is only a matter of time before a carrier takes a monster hit but that’s definitely not a video of one.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 28 2025 1:42 utc | 196

Is stealing from a thief actual theft?
This money was never going to the “people”…it was just going to be extracted by the local oligarchy and then offshored. Maybe while splitting it with the Brussels crowd.
Also, has anyone, ever made a deal with Ukranians that they didn’t walk back on?
Trump has had two central European wives; he can’t be ignorant of the Ukranian reputation (even if it is a generalization).
I don’t think this is a serious proposal, but the reason being is that this puts the US on a direct collision course with the (Ukranian) oligarchy.
Trump is going to peel the apple and give it back to Putin.

Posted by: Houseplant | Mar 28 2025 1:44 utc | 197

This is a massive loss for NATO as well as Ukraine, and there is no possible way for the US to recoup it’s money.
Posted by: Op Adriano | Mar 28 2025 1:37 utc | 194
If Ukraine refuses, it gives Trump yet another reason to dump the Biden regime’s project.
Posted by: AmusedIndian | Mar 28 2025 1:38 utc | 195

Yep, it’s — as B so eloquently stated previously — a “shit sandwich”.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 28 2025 1:45 utc | 198

Posted by: AmusedIndian | Mar 28 2025 1:38 utc | 195
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The issue for Ukraine (and Europe) is that it went along with America’s plan when America always had the option to bail out at any time.
The US has little (zero?) political stability. It can change course completely in a single day.
Without stability and consistency, America becomes a threat to everyone (except Israel). The kind of threat which is existential even to old powers like London and Paris.
Ukraine has no good options and it is their fault. Zelensky was selected to be molded into a psychopath. People voted for him for peace. Full marks for psychological manipulation.
The Americans are learning that lesson (again) good and hard.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 28 2025 1:47 utc | 199

vae victis

Posted by: Newbie | Mar 28 2025 1:49 utc | 200