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March 1, 2025
The Oval Office Shouting Match – Wrap-Up

The first 40 or so minutes of yesterday's oval office press talk (vid) went quite normal. Questions were asked and replies were given in general form, addressing the public. There was some mild banter. But then a breakdown (vid) occurred:

It was all destroyed when JD Vance, the US vice-president entered the conversation to declare: “The path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy.

“We tried the pathway of Joe Biden of thumping our chest and pretending the Potus’s words counted more than Potus’s actions,” he declared.

To anyone who has spent time in or around the Ukraine war, such airy talk of “diplomacy” – as if it means anything without hard force to back it up – is exasperatingly naive.

Mr Zelensky should probably have let it slide. But he was not taking it.

“Can I ask you?” he asked, leaning towards Mr Vance.

“Sure,” replied Mr Vance.

“What kind of diplomacy, JD, are you speaking about? What do you mean?”

It was a mistake.

There followed a barrage of invective about Ukrainian ungratefulness – in front of the world’s media.

For anyone who remembers how the whole Ukraine conflict was initiated by the U.S., the hypocrisy played out here is overwhelming.

How can one, as Trump and Vance do, lament that the war has destroyed Ukraine and led to countless people dying for no good cause and, at the same time, demand that Ukraine be thankful for all the 'advice', weapons and money the U.S. has given in first place to drag Ukraine into a war and to wage it.

But Zelenski wasn't upset about U.S. hypocrisy. He was upset that he was told to make peace.

The bad mood he was in had already festered for some time. In late 2023 Simon Shuster had portrait Zelenski for Time:

On my first day in Kyiv, I asked one member of his circle how the President was feeling. The response came without a second’s hesitation: “Angry.”

[M]ost of all, Zelensky feels betrayed by his Western allies. They have left him without the means to win the war, only the means to survive it.

But his convictions haven’t changed. Despite the recent setbacks on the battlefield, he does not intend to give up fighting or to sue for any kind of peace. On the contrary, his belief in Ukraine’s ultimate victory over Russia has hardened into a form that worries some of his advisers. It is immovable, verging on the messianic. “He deludes himself,” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that.”

Trump and Vance tried to tell him – Zelenski exploded. Some say this was trap or set up. I and others disagree. It was Trump who wanted the 'mineral deal' to be signed. Why would he sabotage that? 

It would have been easy for Zelenski to not react to Vance's interdiction but he instead started a fight. He even might have dreamed of a knock out.

The incident, in full view of the U.S. public, will allow Trump to drop Ukraine as the bad asset that it now is. As I commented yesterday:

What will Trump do now?

Best guess:

  • He will walk away from Ukraine. (No rare earth deal or anything else.)
  • Europeans will be ignored (Macron had urged him to meet Zelenski —> bad!)
  • He will make a deal with Russia. Rare earth, lifting sanctions and much more.

There seems to be no regret by Zelenski who has failed to apologize.

Meanwhile USAID has stopped repairs of Ukraine's energy grid. Other U.S. support is highly endangered:

Trump administration press secretary Caroline Leavitt stated that the U.S. will no longer provide military assistance to Ukraine because their priority is peace negotiations. This decision came after the controversy during Zelensky’s visit.

"We are no longer going to just write blank checks for a war in a very distant country without a real, lasting peace," Leavitt said.

Zelenski hopes that Europe will back him. But while some European bots claim to stand by Ukraine they have neither the men, money nor weapons to do so. There is no European unity on it:

Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are 'very unhappy' they were betrayed by being excluded from tomorrow's Ukraine summit in London. They 'have a plan… but they weren't invited' – Sky News

Zelenski will have to go – one way or the other. His former advisor, the slimy Oleksy Arestovych, is already offering himself as replacement:

Arestovych @arestovych – 14:03 UTC · Mar 1, 2025

– Zelensky is not just proposing war – he’s proposing war without weapons.
He weakened the army (failed 55% of the defense procurement plan), lost U.S. support, and divided the country.
Without him, Ukraine would fight better and make peace faster and more effectively.
I stand for peace.
There is a way out – Zelensky, step down.

The Russians are the big winner in this. Ukraine is in a scuffle with its main sponsor. The western alliance has splintered. The enemies' frontline is falling apart.

Russia is opposed to Trump's main demand of a cease-fire along the current frontline. But Zelenski is blamed for sabotaging it.

I do not see how Zelenski can escape from this.

Comments

Exile 388
‘mismanagement’
It might be useful to remember that European countries, who previously fought constant wars , have now been sanitised by belonging to the EU, and would never sell stolen weaponry to less developed countries round the world for fighting local wars.
Every single lorry coming from Poland to UK is checked for smuggled Ukraine weaponry , because the PTB don’t want insurrection here, they want insurrection over there.
I think that’s an extremely efficient way for the US to create future colour revolutions. The scheme is fully administered by European governments incognito.
I think this lucrative smuggling trade is one of the reasons that our Western politicians appear completely insane on Foreign Policy. What is being offered to them , falsely, is a stake in the US Empire’s Hegemony.
The US captured Ukraine originally with smuggled weaponry and military fortifications over 20 years.
It is the financial model for hundreds of future wars whose outcomes will be land deals for Black Rock with shares in the spoils for local political gangsters.
This pathetic piece of US trolling of Zelensky , himself the troller of the Universe, is a disgusting, cynical piece of Theatre, conducted by disgusting , cynical , Zionist monstours.
And these disgusting activities should be addressed by Civil War in the Western countries that participate in US Hegemony, not just by keyboard warriors.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 2 2025 11:11 utc | 401

You’d think Putin might tell Trump :
« Hey, turn off the Starlink over Ukraine and Russia, or we’ll shoot it down. »
Why not ?
It just seems to me that it would prevent a lot of Russian losses, no ?

Posted by: Featherless | Mar 2 2025 11:15 utc | 402

Just a poorly educated, geopol-layman here..but appreciate many nice insights you folks often provide. Yesterday was quite the spectacle, & can’t help throwin’ in my 2 cents.
Perhaps DT is almost as tired of these upper-elites, as the unwashed masses are? Cabal, EU elites, etc…
Maybe he’s angling for building more trust with Putin/Russkis, & will set up some nice mineral deals(which Mr Putin had suggested recently) to establish rapport?
Then try to move on to repairing relations/biz with China, using that prior step to prove dependability.
Ultimately, try to angle his nation(& likely his buds Israel) into a fruitful partenship/re-set with the growing BRICS-behemoth. If there’s a potential to move on from their old 20th C hegemonic-delusions, perhaps DT sees the time is now?
Just as Putin transitioned from national-disaster to global force in 2 decades, perhaps Trump & his entourage see you now NEED global friends, alliances & visionary moves, to correct the currently tragic trajectory of the States? Could he take a longer view?

Posted by: Brictacular Time | Mar 2 2025 11:15 utc | 403

addressed by Civil War
Posted by: Giyane | Mar 2 2025 11:11 utc | 416

Civil Wars are prosecuted by the ruling classes to resolve differences of opinion within that minority.
Revolutions are more curative.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 2 2025 11:17 utc | 404

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 2 2025 11:04 utc | 410
I got over my hatred of religion decades ago.
oh, and i guarantee you will never see me respond to Giyane again, because I really dont care, and havent for at least a year.
But every now and then i scroll past a sentence or two of his, and its always stupid garbage i hate, mostly being pop-psychology set ups for demonization of intentions based on baseless psychological prognosis. I just simply dont care for such shit-tier analysis, be it Trump, Zelensky, Netenyahoo… doesnt matter.
If somebody is saying a geopolitical actor is acting out of narcissism, or vanity, or sheer stupidity, or any other undesirable personality trait, I just ignore them. Thats not geopolitical analysis, its just ragepoasting.

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 11:23 utc | 405

Not often I feel safe talking about this ordeal with anyone these days here in Norway.
Posted by: Norwegian Pawn | Mar 2 2025 11:09 utc | 415
Yeah, I experience the same here in Troms although I don’t feel it’s a matter of safety as
it might be in other places, but most friends, neighbors and relatives react very
negatively when you even begin to explain some basics about what’s going on.
It’s not worth it, for det meste.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 2 2025 11:28 utc | 406

What Putin can share with Trump is the knowledge and means to put oligarchs who assume Presidential powers back in the box.
That process is just beginning, (Musk Bezos).
Life will be harder for those who refuse to see the writing on the wall.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Mar 2 2025 11:30 utc | 407

Posted by: Brictacular Time | Mar 2 2025 11:15 utc | 418
maybe. He is ramping up hostility towards China, but I think he really does not like war, but he also believes all is fair in business deals.
So his posturing towards China may be seen as very aggressive, but in the end its “nothing personal”. Unfortunately, I dont see another plitician in America with his instincts after him, so they will use anything he has built, and simply redirect it back to belligerent empire.

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 11:33 utc | 408

UK/EU:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-war-latest-starmer-to-host-critical-eu-leaders-summit-as-zelensky-to-meet-king-charles/ar-AA1tu1WF
Zelensky elevated to meet King Charles today.
A slap in the Donald’s face.
The destabilization plan for the EU that the Donald started last time he was in office, carried out via blowing up pipelines ect by Biden, putting screws on EU for Euroclear to release the billions, US eats its own, since it can’t break apart Russia and pick up “statelets” for devouring, a destabilizing force in EU as the Donald claims the “EU was only formed to destroy the U.S.” mantra (most know it was a CIA/M16 banker plan from gate, Central Banker control), the US is forcing the hand of EU to snatch the billions, not just interest, but all of it, and keep the war going with their own citizens manpower, buy their own mercs from across the globe.
Nevertheless, the 22 country meet up today, to present the EU “peace plan” to US is more noise, and won’t be anymore useful than it’s other myriad of idiotic demands.
One area that makes Russia obviously nervous is Turkey.
Turkey was invited this time, and there is a lot of speculation that Turkey will be required to revamp, loosen Montreux Convention rules for UK primarily.
Russia complied and aided Turkey with their Syria move, Russia reminded them of the recent attack (yesterday— how weird is that? Ukraine attacks TurkStream 2 days b4 meet? Message? From whom? Was it really Ukraine? Or a FF warning from Russia about loyalty knowing how rat-faced Turkey is). I expect Turkey to come out with nonsense about opening ports and grain deals and every other stupid ass Western mantra BS.
If the EU were smart, which they are not, they would reject the obvious destabilization plan US has going against it, unify, slap sanctions all over the place on U.S., remain neutral on Russia, and go whole hog on trade with China, India & direct meetings with OPEC . Reach out to Canada, Mexico & Greenland for “consultations”.
The EU will always hate Russia, there’s no fixing that. But there too stupid to quit military action & give it up.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 2 2025 11:35 utc | 409

At this stage of cynicism one rather sees the EU doing a favour to Trump by keeping RU busy on its Ukr front in the perspective of an IS attack on IR, no? The alternative, making peace in Eastern Europe, would imply following the US in the next IS war, and in case they refuse, see ‘spontaneous’ bombings in major EU cities.

Posted by: Tom | Mar 2 2025 11:38 utc | 410

Zelensky elevated to meet King Charles today.
A slap in the Donald’s face.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Mar 2 2025 11:35 utc | 424
he was sceduled to meet before the bitch slapping he got.
otherwise good analysis, esp Turkey.

Posted by: uwdude | Mar 2 2025 11:42 utc | 411

Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 2 2025 11:28 utc | 421
I can confirm it’s the same in Italy.
Part of it came from propaganda in the last years, but a great part comes from anti communist propaganda in the past.
Incidentally i find this is the process that took place between WWI and WWII when fear of bolshevic revolution, probably propped, gave rise to fascism, nazism and generally most of European countries sided with the right wing.
End result was WWII.

Posted by: Mario | Mar 2 2025 11:43 utc | 412

In my last post I said that I “can’t predict which way the Europeans will choose”, whether they’ll end up (1) backing Trump’s peace initiative, or (2) keep supporting Z financially and with arms.
Common sense indicates that (2) isn’t an option any more – now that the US have put an end to their support. Everybody who really wants to know will see that all European stockpiles of arms, and production capacities, are insufficient to keep the Ukrainian army going for more than a few weeks or months.
Once again, the Germans may be the last country to acknowledge this fact – with Merz’s talk about Taurus, with their arms producer Rheinmetall’s shares soaring on the stock market, with their production of newly developed autonomous kamikaze drones flourishing. They seem to be enjoying the bonanza for as long as it lasts – but then I suppose that even Friedrich Merz will be forced to accept reality.
At the time when everybody wakes up, there should be a revolution-like dynamic setting in such that even Zelenski is swept away – unless the EU key players all put their heads in the sand, unable to face their own incompetence and, in some cases, their criminal activities.
This delay is likely to happen while panic sets in and nobody has a plan – like in Romania, where they are now exhausting all means to keep Georgescu from power, where he would join forces with Fico and Orban.

Posted by: grunzt | Mar 2 2025 11:50 utc | 413

Not often I feel safe talking about this ordeal with anyone these days here in Norway.
Posted by: Norwegian Pawn | Mar 2 2025 11:09 utc | 415
Yeah, I experience the same here in Troms although I don’t feel it’s a matter of safety as
it might be in other places, but most friends, neighbors and relatives react very
negatively when you even begin to explain some basics about what’s going on.
It’s not worth it, for det meste.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 2 2025 11:28 utc | 421
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I am Finnmarking myself with oldefar linage from Northern Troms..
Many relatives and friends in Kirkenes. I think there is a more realistic understanding up here, although the consensus is so overwhelming in public that I have yet to experience open dialogues. I am waiting for this to change, but it will take the end of project Ukraine and a warming of US-Russia relations before enough of us dare to questio the EU narrative
Nowadasy, pretty much ALL our political parties seem to compete over how to be the most militant and bravadous. I think this will eventually change. First slowly, then gradually, then suddenly..
For now, I stay on Steigan, Uten Filter, ZeroHedge and MoonOfAlabama, while appreciating The Duran for live media. Everything else seems more or less frenzied and blind.
We live in exciting times.

Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Mar 2 2025 11:52 utc | 414

we had still american occupation forces stationed here in bavaria, germany when i grew up, and as kids, we didnt care, we were friends with anyone.
one time the question about army and war came up, and the father of one of those american kids, a military police guy (they always patroled the perimeter of the barracks, and we kids always played basketball on one of their fields in said barracks) said the following about “why are you still here long after the war?”
“to make sure that another adolf never comes to power” (im paraphrasing, thats over 40 years ago, i cant remember the exact words).
well, the last military stationed here went back to the us some 30 years ago i think, the barracks have all been remodeled into living spaces for ordinary people.
and lo and behold, the americans left, and we have our new adolf in form of brussels and von der leyen back.
(of course history is more nuanced, with how the us abetted the nazis and shipped them to the us etc)
its just funny, in a tragic way, thinking back to those days.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 2 2025 11:56 utc | 415

I can confirm it’s the same in Italy.
Part of it came from propaganda in the last years, but a great part comes from anti communist propaganda in the past.
Incidentally i find this is the process that took place between WWI and WWII when fear of bolshevic revolution, probably propped, gave rise to fascism, nazism and generally most of European countries sided with the right wing.
End result was WWII.
Posted by: Mario | Mar 2 2025 11:43 utc | 427
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I had some quiet optimism about Italy when Meloni arrieved, but it dodn’t take long before she went the same way as most of the others. Having Italy turn Eurosceptic would be a big blow to the wannabe empire. With about 15 times the GDP of the entire Baltics, it is bizarre that the latter seem to dominate and drag the rest into ultimate doom.
Meloni was disappointing, but what kis the deal? Compromised or simply pressured to the max?

Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Mar 2 2025 11:57 utc | 416

You’d think Putin might tell Trump :
« Hey, turn off the Starlink over Ukraine and Russia, or we’ll shoot it down. »
Why not ?
It just seems to me that it would prevent a lot of Russian losses, no ?
Posted by: Featherless | Mar 2 2025 11:15 utc | 417
Almost 7.000 satélites can’t get rid of that short of Kesslerising Leo up to 200 miles
Nobody would be happy about that and if things go that way you know WWIII already started

Posted by: Newbie | Mar 2 2025 11:58 utc | 417

@Mary | Mar 1 2025 23:32 utc | 222

UKRAINE: Norway’s largest marine fuel company refused to sell diesel to a US Navy Virginia-Class attack submarine. While the fuel was only for the USS Delaware’s backup diesel engine, this is the first time a NATO member refused a fellow NATO member fuel for a military vessel. It may be time for the US to exit NATO.

They did the right thing for all the wrong reasons. NATO needs to go away. Supporting Zelensky is insanity. Virtue signalling against Trump for wanting to make peace is criminal lunacy.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 2 2025 12:00 utc | 418

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 2 2025 12:00 utc | 435
What are the chances of Haltbakk Bunkers being sanctioned by Monday morning?

Posted by: Newbie | Mar 2 2025 12:08 utc | 419

@Manorborn | Mar 2 2025 4:15 utc | 316

“b” calls Trump’s pushing Elensky for peace hyocritical. What he overlooks is the fact that it’s also hypocritical to equate the US under this administraion as no different than it was under the woke imperium of the previou one.

There is a difference between the Trump administration and the Biden administration, yes. But if the US want to be taken seriously as a nation and not just a series of reckless mafia-bosses, each US government must accept some responsibility for what previous US governments have done.
If not, the world have to assume that the current improvements are just temporary. In fact, the world already assumes this, that is why the US is considered agreement incapable.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 2 2025 12:08 utc | 420

What will Trump do now? …
… He will make a deal with Russia. Rare earth, lifting sanctions and much more.

I don’t believe Putin trusts the USA one iota. Even if he trusted Trump … which I don’t believe he does … he knows that the USA is his geopolitical enemy, he knows that the USA wants to dominate the world economically and militarily and he knows that in all likelyhood the next administration will scuttle any deal he makes with Trump.
I believe if Putin makes a deal with Trump on minerals that have a military use like titanium, cobalt or rare earth elements it’ll be to take the eye of Sauron off him and onto China for 4 years giving Russia the opportunity to rebuild his military for war with the USA. I don’t believe for a minute that the USA has given up on world hegemony.
Stalin pulled the same trick in 1938 with the M-R pact only this time Russia has a powerful ally in China who they will be cooperating with … it’s not the same but it sure rhymes.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 2 2025 12:20 utc | 421

« Hey, turn off the Starlink over Ukraine and Russia, or we’ll shoot it down. »
Why not ?
It just seems to me that it would prevent a lot of Russian losses, no ?
Posted by: Featherless | Mar 2 2025 11:15 utc | 417
If the Russians destroy satellites in orbit over Russia / Ukraine how does Russia launch their own satellites through the debris field they created?

Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 2 2025 12:24 utc | 422

@434
USSPACRFOR satellites are much bigger targets as are US/NATO surveillance aircraft…..

Posted by: paddy | Mar 2 2025 12:33 utc | 423

@psychohistorian | Mar 2 2025 6:36 utc | 343

And cry me a fucking river Donald about your hypocrisy about deaths when you continue to fund such in Occupied Palestine….with apologies to Liberace, Trump is a Liberace grifter.

True, but we have a saying: Ikke la de ideelle bli det godes fiende (“Do not let the ideal become the enemy of the good”).
We have to be a bit cynical and prioritize solving one problem (Ukraine) which may be solvable in the near future. Then address the disaster of Palestine.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 2 2025 12:35 utc | 424

@343, @411
US/UK nukes in Kiev are way different than THAAADs in Tel Aviv!
Kiev is 400 miles from MAD!

Posted by: paddy | Mar 2 2025 12:41 utc | 425

I am Finnmarking myself with oldefar linage from Northern Troms..
Many relatives and friends in Kirkenes. I think there is a more realistic understanding up here
Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Mar 2 2025 11:52 utc | 431
I’ve played golf at the world’s most northerly golf course and downed many a beer at the world’s
most northerly brewery but I guess I’m not the most northerly commenter here anymore.
Years ago someone mentioned to me that the further north you go in Norway the more beautiful it is and the more friendly it is*. I’d add that the further north you go the more realistic the situation with Russia is, among the people that is. After all, we’ve traded with them for hundreds of years and apart from leaving a few old rusty wrecks in our waters I think they’re pretty good neighbors.
*and the old joke about a beautiful woman behind every tree…
(I’d finish that but don’t need the wrath:-)

Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 2 2025 12:44 utc | 426

The War in Ukraine , and in Palestine, are entirely the creation of the US, Ukrainian Nazi , Khazar Jewish , Neocons.
Trump beating up his own puppet on camera can never remove US total ownership of this war and of the Israeli
gemocide . Putin will see these cheap theatrics for what they are, the US once again trying to pretend innocence, of Maidan, of Nordstream, the Israeli Genocide.
You can fool some dewy-eyed barDudes some of the time. Even denying God doesn’t actually delete Him. The US is constantly trying to deny responsibility for its cowboy wars. Trump is useless magician.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 2 2025 12:53 utc | 427

All the world’s a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances…..
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I hazard that some of us are celebrating not because of Trump but because of the obvious fracture within the Alliance. With the announced washing of hands by the US, Hungary and Slovakia are also making moves.
There was plenty of debate early on about this being driven by US Empire or Perfidious Albion. Does it matter?
What matters is, no US ISR. No Article 5 nonsense. Complete collapse of the ‘Narrative’.
There were unverified reports of US taking Canada out of 5 Eyes.
France and UK can’t move on Odessa without US cover. Russia will target countries directly involved with hostilities.
Trump 2.0 is a vast improvement on 1.0. His team is tight, disciplined and well prepared. Trump has axes to grind and is out to get even.
JD Vance has been Trump’s point man with that MSC speech that will go down in history as a defining moment much like VVP’s 2007 speech.
NATO and it’s bastard child Banderastan is done.

Posted by: Suresh | Mar 2 2025 12:57 utc | 428

        
           WAR IS PEACE
         
       
Damn!, Reuters,
you really outdid yourself this time.
Main headline at Reuters:
UK’s Starmer tries to restore hope for Ukraine peace at summit

The British leader said on Sunday an urgent round of calls to Trump, Zelenskiy and French President Emmanuel Macron over the weekend had cemented the idea that a “coalition of the willing” in Europe would need to move quickly to come up with a peace plan to be presented to the United States.
That meant Europe moving faster than it had done to show it can defend itself, Starmer said, adding he was not criticising other nations but making it clear that countries needed to step up as Britain and France had by offering peacekeeping troops.

Posted by: librul | Mar 2 2025 12:59 utc | 429

LOL; yes, maybe I may be the northernmost member of MOA? Or maybe we have some lurkers from Spitzbergen?…
One of my great grandparents (I never met him) spoke Russian, Sami, Finnish and broken Norwegian. In his early years there was a trade post where Russian ships brought lumber from Kazakhstan via Arkhangelsk to Finnmark. In return they got fish, reindeer meat, bear pelts and other produce. At one time, this was the most prosperous area of Norway.
My grandfather’s life was saved thanks to the Russians. I have been at the memorial plaque in Muitu for the furthest advance of the red army in 1944.
Needless to say, I am thankful to our neighborr for having been put into existence due to my grandfather survival.
Having said all the above, I obviously can see and read the insanity of all that is ensuing also. I am optimistic and believe there will be a time soon where we will need to restore and repair our relationship with the bear.. I am looking forward to a time when our media is forced to present to real picture nad we have leaders that put our people ahead of Wall Street and Brussels.

Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Mar 2 2025 13:00 utc | 430

Great recap as always.
Only thing to add was Zitler muttering an expletive at Vance under his breath. And even that pissed off the Ukies bc he issued the expletive in Russian and not Ukrainian
imagine going to your bank for a loan and you call the loan officer a son of a bitch to his face. You think you are leaving with cash in hand?
Also a big deal was made about Z’s slob attire and addressing Vance as JD and not Mr. Vice President

Posted by: Anunnaki | Mar 2 2025 13:17 utc | 431

Everyone keeps speculating about whether it will be the CIA, MI6, or FSB that snuffs Zelensky now. None of them have a current motive to do so unless they think a replacement can fix the US Administration’s recent posture change with respect to the Ukraine. I doubt either the CIA or MI6 really think such a change would make a difference right now, and the FSB wouldn’t want that anyway.
But Zelensky is almost certainly going to get snuffed. Once the cash flow from the US dries up, the pain in Kiev will become acute, and Zelensky is the obvious target for Ukrainian wrath for blowing such a sweet and lucrative deal they had with the US. The argument will be “He should have just shut up and promised Trump anything he wanted!”
Yes, Zelensky is going to be removed, and the Ukrainian Nazis will be doing the dirty work, much to everyone’s relief… except perhaps the Russians. Zelensky is gift to them.
Zelensky’s life depended from maintaining US support, and he blew it. It doesn’t matter that Trump and Vance set him up and played him like slapping a piano with their penises, the Nazis will hold the kosher Nazi accountable in their typical manner.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 2 2025 13:18 utc | 432

RUAF has made today another precision strike on Ukrainian drone operator training camp in Dnipro region. RUAF has now made three or four strikes on AFU drone operator camps in the last 7 days.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 2 2025 13:24 utc | 433

@Norwegian Pawn | Mar 2 2025 11:09 utc | 417

Not often I feel safe talking about this ordeal with anyone these days here in Norway. I have a couple of close friends who are completely in agreement with the madness of EU and our pathetic politicians.
Besides Steigan and UtenFilter, one can hardly find any media sources in Norway any more that doesn’t talk about war war war.
There are decades where nothing happens and weeks where decades happen.

I don’t get to talk to people very often about such matters, and I agree I don’t feel safe about it either. You are lucky to have some close friends you can discuss it with. Thanks for the tip to UtenFilter, I have been visiting Steigan from time to time, but UtenFilter was new to me. MSM in Norway is completely corrupted, not just politically but also morally and intellectually, it is poison.
Even workplaces are now subject to political pressure, I get vibes from methods of the Chinese “Great Leap Forward” only with a negative, Orwellian twist. I recently experienced something confirming we have lost our sovereignty, but I will not go into detail.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 2 2025 13:25 utc | 434

The roads and fields in Sudzha direction are now muddy. Ukraine can no longer use fields around the road to move their armored vehicles, meaning all traffic to Sudzha is on a single road. RUAF is potentially taking out all vehicles between Sumy and Sudzha, and the traffic is heavy due to Zelensky’s persistence and sending all reinforcements to maintaining the bulge there.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 2 2025 13:31 utc | 435

@Norwegian Pawn | Mar 2 2025 11:09 utc | 417

There are decades where nothing happens and weeks where decades happen.

I forgot to say this is the positive side of what is happening now. I have experienced literally for decades the negative trends we all know about (I could say more, but that is for another time), but the turnaround in last few weeks has been a welcome change. I am still on the fence to see if we get real results, but I am hoping to see something that will eventually also cause a change here at home.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 2 2025 13:33 utc | 436

Military summary:
AFU armored counter-attack east of Sevchenko was completely defeated by artillery/drones (Novo-Velysilka / Velysilka direction). This should put RUAF in the clear to move forward again.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 2 2025 13:35 utc | 437

@waynorinorway | Mar 2 2025 11:28 utc | 423

Yeah, I experience the same here in Troms although I don’t feel it’s a matter of safety as it might be in other places, but most friends, neighbors and relatives react very negatively when you even begin to explain some basics about what’s going on. It’s not worth it, for det meste.

What you are describing is cognitive dissonance. When you give people information that they subconsciously recognize as factual but which differs with their established world view, an internal conflict occurs which expresses itself as anger.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 2 2025 13:41 utc | 438

@Newbie | Mar 2 2025 12:08 utc | 436

What are the chances of Haltbakk Bunkers being sanctioned by Monday morning?

That is a question for the Trump administration I suppose. I could not care less.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 2 2025 13:49 utc | 439

Well it seems that this first Sunday morning of March brought some early spring cuckoos to the bar – welcome dear birds.
I wonder if the institute of Statecrafts minions threw their hands up in the air and decided to all start cuckooing in unison!
Maybe they are looking to be discharged from service with such a display of madness!
Ah dear boys (mostly they are) you must remember your Catch 22 surely?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 2 2025 13:50 utc | 440

My grandfather’s life was saved thanks to the Russians. I have been at the memorial plaque in Muitu for the furthest advance of the red army in 1944.
Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Mar 2 2025 13:00 utc | 447
Great book if you can find it is Military Resistance in Troms 1940-1945 by Gunnar Pedersen.
He details a lot of the Red Army driving out the nazis here in the north.
I do a lot of hiking in the Lyngen area and further east to Kilpisjarvi every summer and am in
the process of researching and writing about a resistance operation in the area here during the occupation.
I feel much like Norwegian that we’ve already lost our sovereignty. I think the sub that passed by my front door a couple of days ago must have been the one that was refused refueling. Normally I would
applaud that but the reason seems to be some kind of protest that the US wants to end the Ukraine war.
Meanwhile we cut back our schools and kindergartens while ginning up big kr. to continue the war. sucks!

Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 2 2025 13:56 utc | 441

welt, propaganda-rag, is having sand in their va.. you get the idea:

Jetzt hat der Trumpismus sein wahres Gesicht gezeigt
Der Zusammenstoß im Oval Office, der als „Eklat“ verniedlicht wird, hat klargemacht, dass Donald Trump den Titel des Anführers der freien Welt abgegeben hat. Er ist ein autoritärer Egomane, der Recht und Verträge nur so lange achtet, wie sie ihm passen und nutzen.
____
Trumpism has now shown its true colors
The clash in the Oval Office, which is being trivialized as a “scandal”, has made it clear that Donald Trump has relinquished the title of leader of the free world. He is an authoritarian egomaniac who only respects the law and treaties as long as they suit and benefit him.

“trumpismus”. you cannot make this shit up. well, no. appereantly, germany can.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 2 2025 14:11 utc | 442

to understand the civil war going on in the United States right now, and the actual revolution that happened, i recommended watching when mark Rubio took over the state department video, as well as when trump officially took office from biden, and the old lady, while shaking states, the PEACEFUL handing over of power from 1 government to another.
understanding the amount of executive orders, understanding the amounts of firings, and understanding that the corrupt fbi perverts who had all of epstains child rape black mail videos, potential snuff? all beyond sick shit. all very real.
that the fbi was just caught destroying epstain files.
THAT TRUMP WAS JUST RETURNED ALL OF HIS FORMER FILES TAKEN BY THE FBI RAIDS!
ok. . .
so if you actually watched what was on just a sampling of THE BIDEN LAPTOP.
i did, im traumed for life from that!
the most likely scenario?
Original Qanon drops & project were a real thing.
it got highjacked and flipped by 1 agency to another. all them former trump loyalist agents who have been in jail for years, now back in the maga OFFICE AGENTS.
this war is real.
LAWFARE was unleashed by the Dems, Now watch that precedent be used against them now THAT THE PEACEFUL TRANSITION OF POWER has happened.
you will a reemergence of the white hat operations expanding as the storm is upon us.
if i am correct, there will be some sort of QAnon 2.0 happening soon, and a bunch of the real epstain gruesome celeb tapes start to drop on the dark web soon.
there is lots of kabuki theater sure, but that act we just saw in the last 10min of the worlds most 2 famous professional actors, that was unscripted passion on display, with trump having to have had to sign onto a bad deal by supporting zelinsky by taking half the resources of the country, and thus justifying continuing the military aid until a ceasefire is signed in 3-6 months, when Ukraine is finally forced to capitulate.
trump wanted an excuse to not have to make the bad deal.
when zelinsky THREATENED AMERICA WOULD BE ATTACKED NEXT.
TRUMP & Vance LOST IT!
that’s either right after or right b4 trump told him he’s messing with world war 3. either way, it was at that point in time, the decision was made to completely drop Ukraine, full on reopening relations with Russia!
the balck hats, aka wef rothschild are at war with the white hats.
and the original qanon drops, b4 the fbi or cia agent high jack. (most likely original qanon run from the dia, through the nsa.
look for a similar source this time when it happens.
what were in all those files just returned to trump from the fbi raid!?
Q2 gonna tell us?
lmfao
can’t believe im actually saying all this.
but, as an outside Canadian of Russian parents, but a life long Merica political observer, and internet server experiences following black listed and shadowbanned and censored sources since the internet began, i can honest to god say,
at this point in time, the original qanon op, that got flipped into q psyop, and all the agents who were operating it arrested and jailed on jan 6th, well, they back out, and rehired, and all the 3 letter agencies have been put under new direct loyal maga leadership.
it’s a civil war, luckily the 1st bullet fired, only hit trumps ear, by the grace of god.
the maga believe they are fighting a divine war against evil, and by an absolute miracle the 2nd shot, the one that will be heard around the world, Has not, and hopefully will not, have to be fired. . .
that said, the talk of Canadian nazi ZeeLand, of needing nukes to defend against America, and the trader Trudeau giving zelisky even more billions in europe today, another illegitimate “leader” i pray that, the 2nd shot in this white hat black hat war be at Canada!

Posted by: BurnEye | Mar 2 2025 14:12 utc | 443

1. Some sympathy for the devils who bought the NATO monster and brought it into their homes. They’ve inflicted it on their publics and had to feed it for decades. And it wants more and more. They’re not paying enough, Trump says.
Defend them from whom?
2. MAGA’s will be mouthing “rare earths” all this week. Not realizing it’s a red herring. They don’t know what a red herring is, but saying “rare earths” sounds impressive at WalMart.
3. We should remind ourselves that first term Trump did his part to get the war party started. Actions and deeds should count more than talk and revisionist history. Trump is an actor and an habitual flip flopper and a bald faced liar (presidential prerequisites).
4. JD Vance is also a professional writer and an actor. Slicker than catshite is Peter Thiel’s boy.

Posted by: chakakhagan | Mar 2 2025 14:16 utc | 444

@ NorwegianPawn | Mar 2 2025 13:00 utc | 447

My grandfather’s life was saved thanks to the Russians. I have been at the memorial plaque in Muitu for the furthest advance of the red army in 1944.

Thank you for that story, we all have something to tell from that time.
I found the memorial plaque(s) in Muitu on Google Maps, they are in multiple languages:
In Norwegian language
In Russian language
In English language

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 2 2025 14:19 utc | 445

German president Steinmeier says Germany must defend Ukraine from USA, and Elon Musk says he agrees USA should leave Nato.
What did they say about decades happening in days?

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 2 2025 14:24 utc | 446

How will Boeing, Lockheed and Raytheon get their cost overruns without NATO? There’s gonna be resistance.
Spaceboy will be fine, however. He always makes sure he can soak the gubmint.

Posted by: chakakhagan | Mar 2 2025 14:29 utc | 447

And you saw what happened to his show.
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Mar 2 2025 5:08 utc | 325
What happened to Ticket’s show was the best possible outcome.
Think fox would have let him traipse around Moscow & show a glimpse of the Russian peasants? Never mind interview “literally hitler” VVP?

Posted by: Mary | Mar 2 2025 14:35 utc | 448

Posted by: chakakhagan | Mar 2 2025 14:29 utc | 464
Elon Musk and Trump can’t act without deep state backing. Even Lindsay Graham (a deep deep state actor) is now saying they have to cut Ukraine loose and says EU must fight alone against Russia.
Maybe the deep state sees the only way to save US dollar hegemony is cutting loose Ukraine, cutting loose EU, reducing the massive defense budget and get ‘slimmer’, even if meaner, and reorganize things. While trying to get Russia back to the US treasury market and allow US companies to operate in Russia, and in the BRICS sphere generally.
Because EU as a market is declining, as is their purchasing power and population, the profits lie outside.
So they may sacrifice EU as they see the future markets.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 2 2025 14:37 utc | 449

@466
One could also claim that by making the EU swallow the Ukraine pill, they see EU will literally choke on it and be reduced as a viable economic competitor for US as EU destroys its own economy and companies and resourceful skill laborers run to the US. Trump also made a $5M immigrant visa program, clearly directed at wealthy Europeans. And most companies from the remnants of globalization already have production, R&D in USA and can easily move their EU ops inside USA.
So they aim to suck the EU dry, and EU is doing a pretty good job in making itself undesirable, uncompetitive and unviable to operate. Later Wall Street can come back and buy everything on cents-on-the-dollar after Ursula, Kaja Kallas, Baerbock etc. crash the Euro.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 2 2025 14:42 utc | 450

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 2 2025 14:42 utc | 467
That’s what I’m saying: it’s all a bait for Europe to take over the fight, let’s them destroy themselves… “if we can’t break up Russia, then lets break up Europe” and so the plundering continues. The end result will be a partly destroyed Europe and when all is said and done there’ll be a situation like 1945 and the US can re-create it’s empire.

Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 14:59 utc | 451

2. MAGA’s will be mouthing “rare earths” all this week. Not realizing it’s a red herring. They don’t know what a red herring is, but saying “rare earths” sounds impressive at WalMart.
Posted by: chakakhagan | Mar 2 2025 14:16 utc | 461
Trump called it __raw__ earths several times. Go figure…

Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 15:01 utc | 452

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 2 2025 13:18 utc | 449
….
Everyone keeps speculating about whether it will be the CIA, MI6, or FSB that snuffs Zelensky now.
….
It will never happen. No need to include the FSB here. They have zero interest.

Posted by: pepe | Mar 2 2025 15:02 utc | 453

not sure if this mentioned so thought I would pass it on (from zero hedge)
“new word alert:
Zelenskied
/zah len skeed/
verb” past tense
1. To lose everything through your own stupidity
Word usage: The idiot leader of Ukraine Zelenskied himself in the Oval Office when
he acted like an ungrateful moron to Trump
Similar: totally fucked dumbassified
I got chuckle out of it, but then I am easily amused….

Posted by: ctiger | Mar 2 2025 15:03 utc | 454

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 2 2025 13:24 utc | 450
Seems like an unusually good success rate … did some US intelligence guys tip off the Russians to the co-ordinates?
That would be one way to bring this thing to a close sooner rather than later. Project Ukraine: canceled by the networks due to poor ratings.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 2 2025 15:15 utc | 455

@304 lovedonbass
I know. It’s just that every post cant encapsulate everything otherwise you get these endless boring posts people keep putting up.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 2 2025 15:16 utc | 456

Well as the meme wars get out of hand – the IOS/ii/88 th have started churning out copy cat ones of shelensky being bitchslapped in the Oval Office and thrown out like a mangey cat that’s pooped in the House.
They are playing at catch-up.
The stiff upper lipped British ones making rounds this Sunday afternoon has SirKyir Starmztroopers letter from king C3 poo with a very rude message and starmzy supposedly trying to keep a straight face as Drumpff looks confused. Another has Shelensky punching out the potus and looking like he is some crocodile Dundee hard guy!
Well we know ,that is just the full admission of defeat as mimicry is the highest form of flattery.
As my final opinion on the Rumble in The Oval Office, I’d say it will become a future classic!
A book, a play, countless TV shows, and films …countless comedy sketches, postcard jokes, posters, paintings and even sculptures.
Just long enough in real time to make a great film – padded out with reactions from the players and around the world.
It should make a great two hour play too! Shakespearean.
It could be the new ‘Downfall’ – if one can imagine Hitler being schooled by FDR and Churchill into being told it was over and if he doesn’t surrender soon the Red Army will come right there to his bunker to get him! It would be a disaster for Germany, and Berlin, as it gets split up and militarily occupied from which it would take at least a century to recover…
Ah well what goes round as they say …

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 2 2025 15:21 utc | 457

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 2 2025 15:15 utc | 472
Nothing unusual about it – Russians are capable…

Posted by: Richard Head | Mar 2 2025 15:22 utc | 458

“Imagine Putin acting like Zelensky, handing Trump pics of suffering Russian POWs in Ukrainian camps during a press conference about a peace deal.”
Hell Dude they probably were pics of Russian POWs in Ukrainian camps.

Posted by: Fred777 | Mar 2 2025 15:28 utc | 459

This is the analysis of a traditionally conservative military historian, not an isolationist MAGA supporter. He still has much good insight on what just happened.
https://x.com/VDHanson/status/1895892571664343159

Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 2 2025 15:32 utc | 460

@Melaleuca 193
biolabs
The only item I got via Martyanov´s commentariat was the link to the RU ministry providing a shorter but updated version their assessment which the RU delegation gave the UN´s bioweapon´s convention. The UN-version has apparently vanished. I at least found not trace of it.
A quick glimpse over the available one made the impression that the RUs felt to not have enough definite data to unleash a huge campaign against the US. Simply due to the dual-use nature of the pathogenes. Countless clues but no smoking gun. But in this field you most likely will never get that. And the Americans quickly disassembeled the facilities anyhow to preempt any such threat.
I would love to be proven wrong with a set of definite documentation. Because obviously those were biolabs with only one purpose. Why on earth would they put ´em there. But I need not say such obvious thing on MoA…

Posted by: AG | Mar 2 2025 15:36 utc | 461

Posted by: AG | Mar 2 2025 15:36 utc | 462
Thomas Röper has them all (Anti-Spiegel).
I guess the most important thing was to get the word out to the UNGA; while there’s no smoking gun or anything like that it will have the effect of that every non-aligned government will have a 2nd look when the US is proposing some “biomedical cooperation”.

Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 15:58 utc | 462

Menz | Mar 2 2025 9:18 utc | 352 (quoting Indian Punchline)
*** European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen commiserating with President Zelensky speaks for itself: “Your dignity honours the bravery of the Ukrainian people….” ***
Comes to something when the chief gauleiter of the EU thinks “dignity” is Zelensky being visibly stoned on coke at formal international conferences during a war.

Posted by: Cynic | Mar 2 2025 16:31 utc | 463

This is the analysis of a traditionally conservative military historian, not an isolationist MAGA supporter. He still has much good insight on what just happened.
https://x.com/VDHanson/status/1895892571664343159
Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 2 2025 15:32 utc | 461
Thought VDH is misled by false numbers (1 million Russian dead) his take on why Americans are turning on Zelensky and also Zelensky’s miscalculation of thinking that Trump was coming from the same place as Biden are accurate.
I think VDH is wildly optimistic in assuming that Putin will pause and wait for European troops to establish a DMZ, but his take on American sentiment towards Zelensky and continuation of the war is accurate.

Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 2 2025 16:41 utc | 464

In response to Fred777@460,
True, where the fuck would Zelensky get pictures of Russian POW camps? It’s either banderite handiwork, or AI generated stuff.
As for reflecting on the meeting that took place, I’m inclined to think that Trump saved Zelensky from himself. He wasn’t doing himself any favors in the way he pushed his narrative, insulting and even threatening the US (not Trump). If he wanted to really put the squeeze on him, he could have let him talk for longer and then kicked him out without a retort, putting all the focus on his behavior, and addressed it in a separate interview. Shutting him up and talking over him was a favor, a foot in the door open for future cooperation.

Posted by: Skiffer | Mar 2 2025 16:55 utc | 465

@Zet 463
Thanks!
I need to get used to Anti-Spiegel.
I now after years of scrutiny and research have learned to appreciate.
p.s. I was pretty angry over Telepolis (yeahhhhhh….) and this dimwit Neuber who wrote a very bad article denouncing the biolab claims. I won´t get into it but it was disastrous (building his argumentation on a third-rate text by FOREIGN POLICY!)

Posted by: AG | Mar 2 2025 17:23 utc | 466

J_Schneider | 18
Rare earth are a fig leaf.
Evidently that’s Raw earth – I have lots in my garden.

Posted by: dontflayme | Mar 2 2025 17:27 utc | 467

Posted by: AG | Mar 2 2025 17:23 utc | 467
Regarding: Telepolis -> Neuber is probably paid by someone. I’ve done some research and tried to ask him if he’s paid by USAID but the comments got banned 🙂

Posted by: Zet | Mar 2 2025 17:30 utc | 468

Posted by: Suresh | Mar 2 2025 12:57 utc | 429
With the announced washing of hands by the US, Hungary and Slovakia are also making moves.

Hungary and Slovakia are members of the European Union and in that capacity they have supported initiation of sanctions on Russia and all their extensions. Hungary and Slovakia are the chihuahas of the Chihuahuas.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 2 2025 17:33 utc | 469

We have a saying in South Africa “He who stirs the sh!t pot will be forced to lick the spoon”. Zelenskyy has been stirring for three years

Posted by: Stephen Ambartzakis | Mar 2 2025 17:46 utc | 470

Teraspol | Mar 2 2025 10:09 utc | 363
*** They imagine they have always been ill treated by history while they feel they are the true descendants of the Nordic race and have conserved their purity. With such people whether it is Zelenski, Zaluzhny or Poroshenko you simply cannot reason, negotiate or deal.***
A very big flaw in what you have written is that two out of the three you named have nothing whatever to do with any Nordic racial origin, nor do they even think they have.
Instead, substitute ‘Khazarian’ and your “simply cannot reason, negotiate or deal” observation is totally accurate.

Posted by: Cynic | Mar 2 2025 17:50 utc | 471

I’m hearing from these uk talks a lot o saber rattleing, basicly starmer says ” war is peace”
Elsewhere i here that any peace keeping solders in ukraine will be treated as enemy combatents and will be “anilateded” Russian source)
Also a uk top military man (i think oliver dowde) saying boots on ground may not be relistic, he would prefer “overpowering air power !
Thats sounds like esculation to me.
It also sounds like all out war between main land europe and UK.
Dear lord they no not know what they are doing.
Were all truely fucked.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 2 2025 18:11 utc | 472

All out war between Europe and UK against Russia.
That should read.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 2 2025 18:19 utc | 473

“overpowering air power”
The last thing that NATO needs is for its air forces to firstly give the Russians practice at shooting them down (a bit like the prior practice with Wonderweapons) and secondly run the risk of Russia demonstrating its overpowering AD systems.
If it were to happen, it could have a bad effect on US military sales that would piss the WH off even more.

Posted by: JohninMK | Mar 2 2025 18:32 utc | 474

UWDude | Mar 2 2025 11:33 utc | 409
*** So his posturing towards China may be seen as very aggressive, but in the end its “nothing personal”. Unfortunately, I dont see another plitician in America with his instincts after him, so they will use anything he has built, and simply redirect it back to belligerent empire.***
Which is why it would be very stupid indeed of Russia to seek or allow US “investment”, NGOs, transnational corporate entities, or trust any assurances and essentially worthless “treaties” to (as usual) be broken once it suits the rulers of the USA/NATO.

Posted by: Cynic | Mar 2 2025 18:35 utc | 475

Rare earth are a fig leaf.
Evidently that’s Raw earth – I have lots in my garden.
Posted by: dontflayme | Mar 2 2025 17:27 utc | 468

Donald the Orange, King of the Raw Dirt heap is famous for his malapropisms.
Some Qtards claim it is quite deliberate, a code, I say covfefe.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 2 2025 18:59 utc | 476

@ NorwegianPawn | Mar 2 2025 13:00 utc | 447
My grandfather’s life was saved thanks to the Russians. I have been at the memorial plaque in Muitu for the furthest advance of the red army in 1944.
Thank you for that story, we all have something to tell from that time.
I found the memorial plaque(s) in Muitu on Google Maps, they are in multiple languages:
In Norwegian language
In Russian language
In English language
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 2 2025 14:19 utc | 446
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I drive that route sometimes from Ifjord to Tana Bru. My understanding it that it was as far as a reconnessance unit of the red army got. At that time, the Wehrmacht was on the run, but fortunately they did not know how tired the Red rmy was at that time. It was wise for the Russian high command to stop at Tana bru and merely anchor their front along Tana river.
-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1
I do a lot of hiking in the Lyngen area and further east to Kilpisjarvi every summer and am in
the process of researching and writing about a resistance operation in the area here during the occupation.
I feel much like Norwegian that we’ve already lost our sovereignty. I think the sub that passed by my front door a couple of days ago must have been the one that was refused refueling. Normally I would
applaud that but the reason seems to be some kind of protest that the US wants to end the Ukraine war.
Meanwhile we cut back our schools and kindergartens while ginning up big kr. to continue the war. sucks!
Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 2 2025 13:56 utc | 442
Another one of my forefathers migrated from Kilpisjarvi to Balsfjorden in the mid 1800. A few years ago, I wanted to meet with some people from Sweden and Finnland for some historical tour in that area.
In many ways this is the heart of Norwegian-Swedish-Finnish Nordkalotten. The three-border mark in the area is on an island, but I have not been there.
A loose unity between our ScandoFinnish brethren would be a peaceful heaven on earth. Include Greenland and Iceland and we would have a very efficient buffer zone between USA and Russia.
All the Nordic nations out of EU and NATO would have about 10th highest GDP in the world with a significant landmass and economic sea zones. The Nordic welfare model woulåd provide a beacon of hope for the rest of the world. In such a scenario I am confident that Russia would definitely give concessions about demilitarizing their costly bases in the Arctic if we did similar things.
One may dream, one may hope..

Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Mar 2 2025 19:19 utc | 477

@473 Mark2
My thought is that Europe has to go first in their open confrontation with Europe.
They get their clocks clean and that brings in the U.S., because, historically, the U.S. can only be galvanized in public opinion by the elite positing that somewhere over there, a big, slobbering Ruski is having their way with Lady Lube-erti in Europe.
It doesn’t matter what theater we see here in the states from the Oval Office.
FDR in 1940: “I know Americans do not want their boys going to fight in another foreign war.”

There is no coming Russia/American treaty of friendship.
Or maybe you all thought that the Molotov-Ribbentrop

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 2 2025 19:39 utc | 478

Cont’d
Pact was not signed with fingers crossed behind backs.
Thank God Vlad is way too smart for this tired charade.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 2 2025 19:40 utc | 479

Alex Reavie of Trade Union Educational League of Canada:
It looked like a ‘workout’. Which is a bankers’ term used to describe what happens when a large debtors’ loan is called, and the debtor thinks that business will continue as normal. It take just one ‘workout’ to convince him the joy ride is over.
A workout. Not just for the gym. Add it to your political dictionary.

Posted by: NH | Mar 2 2025 19:41 utc | 480

Mistake:
Opening paragraph should read Europe’s fight with Russia.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 2 2025 19:41 utc | 481

The three-border mark in the area is on an island, but I have not been there.
Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Mar 2 2025 19:19 utc | 478
It’s actually a big yellow concrete buoy out in a lake.
There’s a boardwalk out to it and around it. You can be in
3 counties in about 5 seconds. Been there many times as it’s often
the end of a long group hike I participate in.
“A loose unity between our ScandoFinnish brethren would be a peaceful heaven on earth”
I agree with what you say there. It’s a shame we can’t get it together up in these parts. And we
really can’t blame that on anyone but ourselves as it’s never been a historical reality.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Mar 2 2025 20:01 utc | 482

ChatNPC | 477
Donald the Orange, King of the Raw Dirt heap is famous for his malapropisms.
I notice no-one corrected him on International TV (wise choices all around).

Posted by: dontflayme | Mar 2 2025 20:09 utc | 483

Posted by: Grieved | Mar 1 2025 18:03 utc | 48
Yesterday I mentioned that many good analysts on the international front are not aware of the massive sea change that has happened and is in progress on the domestic US front. It changes everything
I don’t live stateside, but if revolution is in the air, shouldn’t it be on the tip of every tongue? I mean, maybe it is in red states, but from what I hear and read it’s clear that blue meanies are plentiful, intractable, and potentially dangerous.
Over recent years most of us around here have bemoaned a loneliness, a lack of kindred spirits with whom to commune in meat space. Why, this phenomenon is alive on this very thread!
I wish you’d elaborate on this sea change you see…perhaps on the open thread?
Cheers!

Posted by: john | Mar 2 2025 20:47 utc | 484

Loved all of Norway gathered on this page! Or rather,
“…this is the heart of Norwegian-Swedish-Finnish Nordkalotten…”
Thanks, guys. If I can’t be there, at least it is a visit of the mind.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 2 2025 23:24 utc | 486

Zelensky first met with the Democrats before running into the White House:
https://www.thefocalpoints.com/
What did he expect? Of course, he knew that he would be punished, and that was probably his job.
As the Russian press secretary once said:
You have to be well prepared when you play with the big ones. Or something like that.

Posted by: Giselle | Mar 3 2025 9:09 utc | 487

Another arm chair warrior with a 2 cents contribution.
I have heard the 3 rules of war are: #1. do not go to war with Russia.
#2. do not go to war with Russia.
#3. do not go to war with Russia.
But we did.
I hear that in 2014 the US and its NATO allies went into the Ukraine and staged a big riot in Maidan Square. A Revolution to depose a sitting pro-Russia president and install a pro NATO president. Remember American citizen Victoria Nuland? Very conspicuous in that deal.
We armed the Ukrainians to the teeth to the best of NATO’S ability and they started a bombing campaign on the eastern and mostly Russian speaking area of the Ukraine. When, 8 years later, we deemed the Ukrainians were powerful enough, we and they planned a big attack by the Ukrainian army on the Ukraine eastern area and then Russia.
We (the US and its NATO allies) also planned sanctions against Russia so they were prohibited from participating in the world wide banking system, SWIFT, also from doing other normal commercial business in the world – to crush their economy and their spirit, causing a popular call in Russia for a change in government, thus leaving the country open for good ole’ American a businesses to come in and take over. Easy-peazy.
However.
The Russians, who had been watching this, invaded first. 2/24/22. And, to add insult to injury, managed to weather the sanctions and maintain and improve their economy and align with other countries to form a trading bloc – BRICS.
So, here we are, almost exactly 3 years later.
Now, for me, it gets confusing.
The US section of NATO, which has been providing most of the arms and money for the country to do our military work, have elected a new president, who says, (I think) – this is costing too much. It is not working. How can we get out?
Never mind that this was all our (and our NATO allies) idea, we will recoup our losses by a rare mineral contract with the Ukraine, get some of our costs of war back and make peace with the Russians. Easy-peazy.
No.
For 3 reasons that I read about.
#1. there are not enogh rare earths in the Ukraine to bother about. If you see a list of the countries with a big supply of rare earths, the Ukraine is not on it.
#2. the Ukraine has already made a 100 year deal with Great Britain, which includes G.B. getting the rare earths.
#3. the man we have placed in charge of our military action against Russia does not want this.
He has somehow become convinced that the Ukraine can defeat Russia, even though the Ukraine is smaller than Texas and Russia covers 1/10 of entire land mass of the world and has so many resources (included rare earths, which Russia has recently offered to sell to us{!}) that Russia can be considered an autarchy. In other words, a self sufficient country. They have or can make everything the country needs!
So. What to do?
The way I understand, the US and its NATO allies cannot let Russia have a recognized win in this military action, even though they are winning. I have this idea that the US (but not its NATO allies) want to somehow check-mate Russia by making a rare earths deal, then sending in corporate workers to begin projects, thereby saying to Russia – well, see, we are now in the Ukraine – you do not want to bomb US citizens, do you?
I may be very wrong.
But, in the meantime at this time our NATO allies do not want any peace to be made. None. Nor does the man acting as president (in his 6th year of a 5 year term- thanks Elon)
So I end here. Confused and worried.

Posted by: a lurking reader | Mar 3 2025 14:24 utc | 488

Zelensky wanted American “security guarantees” because the only Western country that matters is America.
Ukraine already has formal security guarantees from the UK, Poland, and France, among many other countries.
If Z can get any American boots on the ground, the European NATO powers can and will contrive a false flag to draw America into a full-on war with Russia.
That’s what the “reassurance” forces from France and the UK are about, with an American backstop that they can manipulate into WW3.
Trump has wisely avoided that trap thus far, which outrages Zelensky as he can hear the Grim Reaper’s footsteps when it comes to his political career.
Sidenote, the Russians don’t want to try Zelensky for war crimes. They want a future Ukrainian regime to try and convict Zelensky for war crimes, to destroy his image in Ukraine forever. That is what Georgia did with Saakashvili. He evaded jail time but the Georgian nation rendered him persona non grata, forcing him to surrender his citizenship in order to hide abroad.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 2 2025 7:34 utc | 336
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Sounds about correct to me. OTOH, he was requested to dress properly. Yermak did.
Z skipped the program, which was to sign and leave, instead provoking a confrontation with pictures and words, in need of a coke fix (check his finger movements) on live (staged) television, clubbed like a baby seal.
He made a mess, possibly encouraged by a prior meeting with some members of the US Congress and encouragement from other sources.
Trump and Putin both got injured by Zelensky and Russia gate, Z enabling. Z campaigned for Biden last year. Trump and Putin get along just fine as they did before. Is VDL becoming the new Zitler or Keith Starmer? Europe is turning into the ‘Gong Show’ of former US television fame.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 3 2025 14:27 utc | 489

A fixed-width comment protesting against page-breaking
links! 😛
Yes my weird browser is to blame —everything I use is
weird! I used a smudge on the screen for the
line-breaks (the comment box uses a monospace font but
page display doesn’t)
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Leuk ( Mar 2 2025 11:00 utc | 392 ):
Possibly the best comment of the thread 🙂
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Newbie ( Mar 2 2025 11:58 utc | 418 ):
A few tons of retrograde needles would be more than
enough to wipe them all out. That might be as little
as a single rocket launch.
At the low orbit of Starlink they would quickly
reenter together with all the “sandblasted” satellite
wreckage. Quickly = less than a few years.
For reference there’s the “space needles in space” (as
opposed to the Space Needle in Seattle):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_West_Ford
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Are the Norwegians here seriously claiming Santa Claus
isn’t on MoA? The north pole must be the most
northern… 😛
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One day Zelensky will accidentally snort 100% pure
washing powder and that will be the end of it with the
remains of his brain seeping out of his nose. Could be
any day.
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dontflayme ( Mar 2 2025 17:27 utc | 468 ):
You have lots of rare earth in your garden as well. If
you can think up an environmentally sound and
economically efficient extraction process you’ll be an
instant millionaire 🙂 (stock up fast before starting
to sell at market value, don’t patent anything).
That’s until everyone copies you (and they will so you
better cash out quickly and then just give the secret
away to everybody —by deliberate authentic/verifiable
public domain— to stay safe) and then it’s just the
same price as plain earth again (less than garden soil
and far less than peat).
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Mountains can be very hard targets no matter what one
uses. Same for multiple layers of blast doors with
meters of solid steel. You might need to “eat” through
the first with a series of precise nukes and then dig
all the way to the second set and so on.
Some mountain bases are voids with the core parts of
the base suspended by sophisticated cable systems.
They won’t even feel a tremor.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Mar 3 2025 19:35 utc | 490

Oops, not a link to blame this time but instead a very
long series of unbroken “=”‘s.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Mar 3 2025 19:37 utc | 491