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March 1, 2025
The Oval Office Shouting Match – Wrap-Up

The first 40 or so minutes of yesterday's oval office press talk (vid) went quite normal. Questions were asked and replies were given in general form, addressing the public. There was some mild banter. But then a breakdown (vid) occurred:

It was all destroyed when JD Vance, the US vice-president entered the conversation to declare: “The path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy.

“We tried the pathway of Joe Biden of thumping our chest and pretending the Potus’s words counted more than Potus’s actions,” he declared.

To anyone who has spent time in or around the Ukraine war, such airy talk of “diplomacy” – as if it means anything without hard force to back it up – is exasperatingly naive.

Mr Zelensky should probably have let it slide. But he was not taking it.

“Can I ask you?” he asked, leaning towards Mr Vance.

“Sure,” replied Mr Vance.

“What kind of diplomacy, JD, are you speaking about? What do you mean?”

It was a mistake.

There followed a barrage of invective about Ukrainian ungratefulness – in front of the world’s media.

For anyone who remembers how the whole Ukraine conflict was initiated by the U.S., the hypocrisy played out here is overwhelming.

How can one, as Trump and Vance do, lament that the war has destroyed Ukraine and led to countless people dying for no good cause and, at the same time, demand that Ukraine be thankful for all the 'advice', weapons and money the U.S. has given in first place to drag Ukraine into a war and to wage it.

But Zelenski wasn't upset about U.S. hypocrisy. He was upset that he was told to make peace.

The bad mood he was in had already festered for some time. In late 2023 Simon Shuster had portrait Zelenski for Time:

On my first day in Kyiv, I asked one member of his circle how the President was feeling. The response came without a second’s hesitation: “Angry.”

[M]ost of all, Zelensky feels betrayed by his Western allies. They have left him without the means to win the war, only the means to survive it.

But his convictions haven’t changed. Despite the recent setbacks on the battlefield, he does not intend to give up fighting or to sue for any kind of peace. On the contrary, his belief in Ukraine’s ultimate victory over Russia has hardened into a form that worries some of his advisers. It is immovable, verging on the messianic. “He deludes himself,” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that.”

Trump and Vance tried to tell him – Zelenski exploded. Some say this was trap or set up. I and others disagree. It was Trump who wanted the 'mineral deal' to be signed. Why would he sabotage that? 

It would have been easy for Zelenski to not react to Vance's interdiction but he instead started a fight. He even might have dreamed of a knock out.

The incident, in full view of the U.S. public, will allow Trump to drop Ukraine as the bad asset that it now is. As I commented yesterday:

What will Trump do now?

Best guess:

  • He will walk away from Ukraine. (No rare earth deal or anything else.)
  • Europeans will be ignored (Macron had urged him to meet Zelenski —> bad!)
  • He will make a deal with Russia. Rare earth, lifting sanctions and much more.

There seems to be no regret by Zelenski who has failed to apologize.

Meanwhile USAID has stopped repairs of Ukraine's energy grid. Other U.S. support is highly endangered:

Trump administration press secretary Caroline Leavitt stated that the U.S. will no longer provide military assistance to Ukraine because their priority is peace negotiations. This decision came after the controversy during Zelensky’s visit.

"We are no longer going to just write blank checks for a war in a very distant country without a real, lasting peace," Leavitt said.

Zelenski hopes that Europe will back him. But while some European bots claim to stand by Ukraine they have neither the men, money nor weapons to do so. There is no European unity on it:

Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are 'very unhappy' they were betrayed by being excluded from tomorrow's Ukraine summit in London. They 'have a plan… but they weren't invited' – Sky News

Zelenski will have to go – one way or the other. His former advisor, the slimy Oleksy Arestovych, is already offering himself as replacement:

Arestovych @arestovych – 14:03 UTC · Mar 1, 2025

– Zelensky is not just proposing war – he’s proposing war without weapons.
He weakened the army (failed 55% of the defense procurement plan), lost U.S. support, and divided the country.
Without him, Ukraine would fight better and make peace faster and more effectively.
I stand for peace.
There is a way out – Zelensky, step down.

The Russians are the big winner in this. Ukraine is in a scuffle with its main sponsor. The western alliance has splintered. The enemies' frontline is falling apart.

Russia is opposed to Trump's main demand of a cease-fire along the current frontline. But Zelenski is blamed for sabotaging it.

I do not see how Zelenski can escape from this.

Comments

Another upcoming crazy Baltikum politician is the new leader of Latvia, Evika Sillina, around same age as Kaja Kallas and just as Russophobic and deranged.
I’m pretty sure her family lineage with regards to fanatic dogma could be full of timeless opportunism also.
To top it off, the president of Lithuania, land of it’s own Einsatz franchise (Arjatz command), is also a former Soviet Era communist, now turnee into another EU Puppett.
The Baltic States, what an insane part of NAZO, even by it’s own modern standards

Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Mar 1 2025 23:02 utc | 201

Jane | Mar 1 2025 16:45 utc | 8
Jane, do not forget that Z was not a deus ex machina kind of genius, but he was groomed by Kolomoysky and his cronies.
The background to the rise of Kolomoysky and Zelensky lies years before 2014, and that background was seen and described by diligent observers such as the German/French writer Peter Scholl Latour in several of his bestsellers in early 2000s.
Posted by: fanto | Mar 1 2025 18:58 utc | 91
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And by Scott Ritter, in two documentaries.

Posted by: Jane | Mar 1 2025 23:03 utc | 202

This woman belongs in a hair salon not at the helm of the EU’s diplomacy.
Posted by: xor | Mar 1 2025 21:42 utc | 161
Actually, at best, Kallas belongs in front of a firing squad.

Posted by: Tichy | Mar 1 2025 23:09 utc | 203

UWDude @ 204

Not sun Tzu.

I googled it, it’s true, and rather buried in the noise, google ever more favors noise. Apologies, most of all the Sun Tzu.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 1 2025 23:10 utc | 204

Just now:
The United Kingdom signed an agreement with Kyiv on March 1 to provide Ukraine with a loan worth 2.26 billion pounds ($2.84 billion) backed by frozen Russian assets.
Imma pretty sure Trump’s repeated harrumphing of $350b spent on Ukraine is because that number aligns with the “frozen Russian assets”.
Seems everyone is dreaming of the day they get their bony claws on the luminous frozen Russian assets.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 1 2025 23:14 utc | 205

AnonymousConservative, a U.S. site, covers the Trump-Vance-Zelensky spat extensively in today’s news summary: News Brief – 03/01/2025.
His look at the U.S. domestic surveillance machine is an eye opener: American Stasi
If you think the U.S. is full of free citizens dancing happily in their pure democracy, this will be a slap in the face. It gives you a sense of what runs the U.S. behind the scenes, and is an ever present reality that Trump must always take into account.
Finally, we have an assesment of Trump, Vance, and Zelensky using the Male Social-Sexual Hierarchy Model: International Diplomacy and the SSH
If Trump’s team has made a psychological profile of Zelensky, they would know exactly what to say, and how to say it, to cause Zelensky to break character, and act in a way which undercuts domestic opposition by powerful enemies of Trump.

Posted by: Nobody Special | Mar 1 2025 23:14 utc | 206

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 1 2025 23:10 utc | 210
I have found lots of quotes attributed to him that aren’t his, even from msm, like there is a Forbes article with about five bad quotes.
One about thrusting a sword in saltwater, not him.
One about waiting for your enemies to float down the river, not him.
I can’t remember the others I read in that article. But the evil mans ashes and these two are the most common.

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 1 2025 23:17 utc | 207

Idiots can whine that 1945 behaviour is ancient history all they wish the fact remains that amerikan attempts to sabotage of Russia has been ongoing since at least that date, so that bullshitting about secret cabals etc is ludicrous to all who know what actually went down.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 1 2025 22:21 utc | 185

Correct. Russia was mostly a US ally from the Revolutionary War up until the Russian Revolution. The US Government officially supported the Whites and, after they lost to the Bolsheviks, they withheld diplomatic relations until 1933.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Mar 1 2025 23:17 utc | 208

All the 3 Baltic states are full om deranged lunatics descending from absolute maniacs. Sweden and Norway is full of their descendants today who escaped accross the Baltic sea in 44/45.
Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Mar 1 2025 22:36 utc | 196
From personal experience I can only agree.
Interesting point, and one of few positive ones here in Sweden; the people at my blue-collar (<- important factor) workplace are starting to question the rationale for the war. My floor manager mentioned to me in passing, "well, everyone knows that the US was trying to pick a fight with Russia." There are more examples. This sentiment is strongest, one would think oddly enough, among the Eastern European immigrants working at the factory - for example, the Poles and the Kosovites! I suspect this is because unlike the Swedes, they actually know something about Russia and Russians, so they won't swallow the common war propaganda that "Russia is absolutely impotent but also incredibly dangerous." That doesn't apply to the Balts, though. I've never met a Baltic man or woman in my country who wasn't a Nazi arsehole.

Posted by: Tichy | Mar 1 2025 23:22 utc | 209

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Mar 1 2025 23:17 utc | 214
American foreign policy is about removing socialists and communists from power through sanction, coup or bombs.
Once a socialist nation is destroyed, they say “see, socialism doesn’t work”.
Russia generally has traded, and will trade with these nations, to the ire of the west Russia is happy to sell weapons, its best export, to these countries.
USA will topple socialist governments, even if they don’t align with Russia.

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 1 2025 23:24 utc | 210

As if the virus and vaccine money makeing scam was’nt bad enough, they jumped right in on this ukraine attacking Russia scam.
Look at the death toll.
Look at the israilie mass murder of inocent people in Gaza.
These monsters really do not care about the little man and women no matter what flag they happen to wave.
Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 1 2025 21:49 utc | 167
I think our current masters see it as aiding the environment by reducing the population, while having fun, making money and looking ever so stylish.
They are an abomination to humanity that must be eradicated along with the legal framework that put them in a position to sacrifice so many defenseless innocents.
A new world must be born out of this filth and chaos. The current world is intolerable to every sensible human being.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 1 2025 23:24 utc | 211

— GEROMAN — time will tell – 👀 —
@GeromanAT
The Trump administration is unanimously calling for an end to talks with Zelensky.
– Walz
1:50 PM · Mar 1, 2025
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Posted by: Mary | Mar 1 2025 23:28 utc | 212

Trump finally realised he had nothing to offer or threaten Putin with so decided to repudiate Ukraine war. JD Vance baited Zelensky and Zelensky bit.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Mar 1 2025 23:29 utc | 213

All those who are currently cheering for Trump are in fact cheering for the ugly face of empire.
And all those who previously cheered for Biden cheered for the nice side of the empire.
Simple as that.
The Biden people cheered for weapons, weapons, weapons and thus drove Ukraine to its doom – the Trump people are now cheering for the looting of Ukraine and are accusing Z of malicious rudeness.
Oh well, just put yourself into the shoes of Z for a moment: he knows that he’s getting f..ed in the ass and is refusing to put make-up on.
Watch this and you’ll realize that you’re part of the problem if you’re cheering for either side. You all get played all the time and you don’t even realize it.
👉 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxxv2IEfU_c

Posted by: No More Empire | Mar 1 2025 23:29 utc | 214

That doesn’t apply to the Balts, though. I’ve never met a Baltic man or woman in my country who wasn’t a Nazi arsehole.
Posted by: Tichy | Mar 1 2025 23:22 utc | 215
There is a pall in the west. Counter narrative opinions get you targeted by HR. Therefore, everybody who disagrees keeps their head down, to the point of even nodding their head yes to some higher level figurehead repeating CNN.
It is very hard to gauge how many people actually ever agreed with funding Ukraine. Right now social media power reigns supreme.
Even in, and now, especially, in Ukraine itself. People are people, and that means likely 1/3 of Ukrainians are and always have been quietly pro-Russia, even in the west. Political maps are like recolored astronomy pictures, meant to dazzle and show differences, but obscuring the true nature.

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 1 2025 23:31 utc | 215

https://x.com/amuse/status/1895911402134462670
amuse
@amuse
UKRAINE: Norway’s largest marine fuel company refused to sell diesel to a US Navy Virginia-Class attack submarine after Zelensky’s disastrous Oval Office meeting. While the fuel was only for the USS Delaware’s backup diesel engine, this is the first time a NATO member refused a fellow NATO member fuel for a military vessel. It may be time for the US to exit NATO.

Posted by: Mary | Mar 1 2025 23:32 utc | 216

@karlof1 | Sat, 01 Mar 2025 19:42:00 GMT | 108

He supported the Europeans and Poroshenko in their refusal to honor the UNSCR that was Minsk II

You keep posting this, but it still doesn’t make it true. Neither Minsk I or Minsk II were ever codified by the UN Security Council. They were never resolutions, and they were never ratified as treaties. They were ceasefire agreements, not “binding,” which both sides did violate repeatedly.

Posted by: James M. | Mar 1 2025 23:32 utc | 217

Video at link. Putin offers to sell rare earth minerals to US.
“We have far more than Ukr.”
https://x.com/amuse/status/1895972466566316486

Posted by: Mary | Mar 1 2025 23:34 utc | 218

Oh well, just put yourself into the shoes of Z for a moment: he knows that he’s getting f..ed in the ass and is refusing to put make-up on.
Watch this and you’ll realize that you’re part of the problem…
Posted by: No More Empire | Mar 1 2025 23:29 utc | 220
LoL
Cries about Zelensky getting bitch slapped.
Tells me to watch a YouTube video that will wake me up to the reality that Zelensky is awesome.
Watch this one video… …all you need to know about x is in this link… …the one simple trick they hate…

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 1 2025 23:35 utc | 219

You all get played all the time and you don’t even realize it.
Posted by: No More Empire | Mar 1 2025 23:29 utc | 220
You are so much smarter than all of us, because you know “the real truth”.
Fuck off, asshole.

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 1 2025 23:37 utc | 220

Nobody Special | Mar 1 2025 23:14 utc | 212
If Trump’s team has made a psychological profile of Zelensky,…
Well, they probably did, but my memory of my 2015 reading of my 50c used copy of Art of The Deal… I recall Trump repeatedly noting people’s appearance and their demeanour, making very quick judgments about them. He has a well exercised reptilian brain in deciding who is to be quashed and who is to be respected.
Trump knows Zelensky is not winning.
Who knows if Team Trump have actual accurate data on Ukrainian v Russian KIA WIA MIA, but the numbers on both sides combined are horrific and Ukraine has the demographic deficit.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 1 2025 23:40 utc | 221

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 1 2025 23:40 utc | 227
I noticed right at the beginning, Trump was staring motionless and intently at Zelensky’s profile as Zelensky was talking to the press, for about 10 seconds, (which is a long time), and realized he was reading him.

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 1 2025 23:43 utc | 222

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 1 2025 17:54 utc | 43
No criticism intended.
Having considered your query I’d say, all we are seeing IS some of that ‘negotiated settlement process’ or what i like to think as some form of face saving conditional surrender’.
These are the deeds, that are the preconditions:
Drop the ‘full scale unprovoked invasion bs’.
Acknowledge that Miltary superiority is established.
Start immediately on the denazification process by acknowledging the crazies- this public spate opens the avenue for such criticism.
Demilitarisation is easy – stop the money and weapons.
Get the natzo specials out.
Let the Ukrainians decide who they want to elect.
That’s why the EuroRats are in a panic – losing the Narrative Control – which only exists by repetition, like Santa Claus.
One thing is clearer now, Trump admitted he is talking to Putin directly and more frequently than is announced by either side.
So I think there is some serious trust building going, secretly as it should be, before having the new Yalta.
This deliberate distancing the US away but also contradictorily having the only say that matters in this one redline too far!
Anyway tomorrow King Charles the turd gets to have his black spot handshake!
Today the doomed Great Knight Dope , Brave Sir Kyir starmztrooper, had his hug of death!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 1 2025 23:44 utc | 223

Zely involved in the impeach of Trump. Zel then campaigns for Biden.
Zel is lucky he wasn’t Diem-ed.

Posted by: jonny law | Mar 1 2025 23:47 utc | 224

It is very hard to gauge how many people actually ever agreed with funding Ukraine. Right now social media power reigns supreme.
Posted by: UWDude | Mar 1 2025 23:31 utc | 221
We can debate the exact numbers all we like and for the record I actually agree with you, but there seems to me a clear difference between nationalities here, and for the record, I wasn’t talking about the Balts just right now at this moment but all the way back to the eighties, when being a Nazi cunt in Sweden didn’t exactly earn you brownie points.

Posted by: Tichy | Mar 1 2025 23:49 utc | 225

You keep posting this, but it still doesn’t make it true. Neither Minsk I or Minsk II were ever codified by the UN Security Council. They were never resolutions, and they were never ratified as treaties. They were ceasefire agreements, not “binding,” which both sides did violate repeatedly.
Posted by: James M. | Mar 1 2025 23:32 utc | 223

Then what is this? Or are you playing with semantic loopholes.
https://press.un.org/en/2015/sc11785.doc.htm

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Mar 1 2025 23:49 utc | 226

@UWDude | Sat, 01 Mar 2025 21:31:00 GMT | 156

Let’s see ANY foreign leader try to pulls stunts on Trump like that again during the next press conference.

Agreed, that this was not a set-up, or part of some bigger plan. Trump and Vance finally got fed-up with Zelensky and told him the score. I think even the fact that Zelensky didn’t wear a suit irritated Trump.
Trump isn’t known for his patience, or for following diplomatic protocol. He is a transactional president, who is out to make deals, and maximize profits or “winning” for America. Wars and alliances aren’t profitable in Trump’s mind, so he doesn’t even pretend to care about NATO, or confronting Russia.
As for Zelenskey, this is Trump’s message: You don’t want to make a deal – get out. When you want to make a deal call me, but it will be a worse deal than you get before. In the meantime we’ll put the squeeze on (no aid) until you make the deal.
Zelensky FAFO, and now he loses whatever else Russia can take, before he either caves to Trump’s demands or surrenders to Putin. Although more likely he flees to Italy. We’ll see how much more worse it gets for him before then.

Posted by: James M. | Mar 1 2025 23:51 utc | 227

Watch this and you’ll realize that you’re part of the problem if you’re cheering for either side.
Posted by: No More Empire | Mar 1 2025 23:29 utc | 220
Trained Marxists know there is a subtle difference between rooting for the globalist superpower and rooting for the chief resisting force of the Second World.

Posted by: Tichy | Mar 1 2025 23:52 utc | 228

Posted by: Tichy | Mar 1 2025 23:49 utc | 233
I kind of quoted the wrong part of your post.
I know very little in reality about the Baltics, just some stats and some history.
I know they have large Russian minorities, but I would guess many of those, like many Russians abroad, are cosmopolitan, eg, ashamed of Putin because it’s better for your career and social standing, as well as many who still remember the domestic lie machine of the Soviet union, which would make it hard for anyone who lived in the Soviet union to trust Russia.
There is a lot going on.

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 1 2025 23:53 utc | 229

Back on topic, anybody catch how Trump responded to the Polish journalist about Poland and the Baltics?
He said he loved Poland, and was going to support Poland, but then the Baltics, he was kind of like, “ahh .. yeah, well, there are a lot of things going on over there”
And Odessa?
His reaction to Odessa was strange, too, he said basically, “Odessa, we can’t even talk about Odessa right now, Odessa is something to be discussed later”

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 1 2025 23:56 utc | 230

Quite a blow up,
For all the people worried about U-Kay & Eurocuck actions.
Remember their version of neo-shit-lib kamikaze spirit. Wouldn’t change the balance of forces for them one did, anymore than it did IJA imperial cultists. Even if it was true.
The USA is NATO’s bone, brain and sinew. By deliberate design, the hodgepodge of skin, flesh and redundant organs formed by the rest. Is no fighting body.
This is a preemptive trans-Atlantic blame game about “who lost Ukraine”. As much as anything.
The answers will vary with narratives.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Mar 1 2025 23:58 utc | 231

@Posted by: hubert | Mar 1 2025 17:57 utc | 47
Again no offence.
Jeez though, that is some spin doctoring hubert!
I do wholly agree about the old euroRats, unelected elites, scions of dynastic fascist imperialists and global robber barons as old khazar clients, who forever had a lot of skin in the Great Game. Making wars without letting the populations know. Plenty of military consultants at PMC’s.
But .. so have the Yankee Doodle aristos. Right?
Presumably you’ve heard of the Burisima scandal?
The child abusing sex degenerate crack head son of the Big Guy and other sons of prominent yanks being paid zillions? The biological labs? The Fuck The EU early on reveal?
The list is endless of the money laundering pig troughers getting most of the monies back into their pockets.
Where were the Europeans in that?
Are the eurocrats implicated directly in these activities?
Were they earning too?
Maybe Great Elon the would be First King of Mars and his band of pesky kid scoobydoos will let us have that audited trail and full disclosure ; just as they have done with the jfk files, Covidmania and Epstein/Maxwell client lists… errmm, or maybe not.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 2 2025 0:04 utc | 232

Thank you b, good post analysis.
“… trump/vance would like to blame past administrations for this, but it is built into the usa system they inherited… the usa under wall st/imf and etc are already heavily invested in this and have made a shit ton of money off it… if trump/vance can push thru an end to this war, i will acknowledge their work… meanwhile europe has gone warmonger on steroids… we’ll see how it goes… z has to go.. that much is very apparent.. thanks b..
Posted by: james | Mar 1 2025 16:33 utc | 5
I’m just starting to read comments, james, so apologies if this has already been addressed. It is not the US that has benefited from all of this and from the word go this is what the executive orders that there is a domestic uproar because of are all about. I hope Trump isn’t developing writer’s cramp.
I looked this morning at the video on youtube of the first Trump cabinet meeting. Musk is first up. What DOGE is doing explains a lot of questions I had — the project has been to issue an email questionnaire (and in general, the tariff situation does this also). There have to be responses back, and then the responses are considered, all to get systems in proper working order, which they have not been. (Some really good bits of info about what happened leaving Afghanistan in that video by the way.)
Paying down the interest on the national debt is going exponential. I know folk think it doesn’t matter and won’t cause bankruptcy. I’ll leave that to the economists to figure out. I’m just happy Trump and his team don’t now think war is the answer. Biden and gang seems to have thought that, and Hillary plus the deep state before him, and before them …
(sigh) I do agree it’s been a terrible mess. In the meeting, Trump said we need to get back to paper ballots. Bless him for that.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 2 2025 0:06 utc | 233

Here is the video for Trump’s first cabinet meeting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzS2uXeAj0

Posted by: juliania | Mar 2 2025 0:10 utc | 234

Doim, Victoria Nuland is not a chairwoman for NED. She isn’t even one of the eight executives on the board. She is on the board though, as one of 28 members.

Posted by: Tenet | Mar 2 2025 0:11 utc | 235

@Posted by: UWDude | Mar 1 2025 23:56 utc | 240
‘Odessa’
Exactly and probably the actual incendiary moment of all!
I posted on that and why in the previous thread.
It’s because of the Real Reason why this dogs dinner ‘nation’ even came to exist as it did over the last hundred years.
It’s bedtime in London – catch up with bar, mañana.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 2 2025 0:12 utc | 236

Democrats seem to tear their hair out in frustration and hysteria, condemning fellow Americans for electing Trump. They agonize trying to find an explanation for his popularity. What they don’t understand (paradoxically) is Trump’s projection of honesty.
OK, pause before your head explodes……here’s how it works. Biden was an inept liar, Kamala wasn’t even trying to lie credibly. Meanwhile, the US public is desperate and bewildered.
In spite of all of his obvious BS, Trump can project honesty by being tactless, insulting and angry. This is the difference between saying something such as “we need to consider alternative policy options related to this controversy” vs “F**k You”. The latter evinces an honest if hostile feeling and given the ‘thirst’ here, that might work. Hence, the thing with Zelensky and much more.

Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 2 2025 0:16 utc | 237

LOL, Ahenobarbus posting about “capitalism” and “imperialism,” hilarious. Ukraine is no “imperialism” for the U.S., Westerners only lose from supporting it. But keep making up a fantasy.
The founders of your beloved communist slavery, world Jewry, are the ones who want Russia destroyed, for supporting the pro-Palestinian Iran and Syria and throwing out the oligarchs, where at least eight of the twelve were Jews.
The socialist Biden is on your side against Whites, letting non-Whites like you live like parasites off what Whites have built and invented. Biden is the one who supported Ukraine’s war against conservative, “capitalist!!!” Donbass and Russia.
Your fellow socialists all hate the conservative “capitalist” Russia, which they call “fascist.” Putin’s party is conservative. Putin has made Russia a prosperous market economy, instead of your fantasy about the communist slave system where you could be a boss without working.
Every communist and socialist party in Europe and the West hate Russia and support Ukraine.
The opponents of the war are conservative nationalist parties.
But keep lying, little socialist. Funny how low-IQ types like you think Russia is still the Soviet Union. The Marxists are in Washington and U.S. media, while Russia is nationalist, “capitalist” and conservative.

Posted by: Tenet | Mar 2 2025 0:20 utc | 238

I saw about the Norwegian company not wanting to provide bunker oil to US ships.
https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/bmJ4OB/norsk-oljeselskap-etter-trump-tirade-ingen-drivstoff-til-amerikanere
This is a pure stunt and virtue-signalling, something the drone-cuck behind it even admits. Probably given clearance from authorities and meant to provide more ammo to the PR war. This is more spineless opportunism. The same company would crucify children if it suddenly became in vogue.
Unfortunately, Norway is FULL of these losers. Cannot think or say anything original or controversial. I am sure the owner is advertising for “green” bunker oil as well.
A clown. It would be funny if Trump got news of it and threw a mini-fit 😂😂.

Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Mar 2 2025 0:21 utc | 239

It would be funny if Trump got news of it and threw a mini-fit 😂😂.
Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Mar 2 2025 0:21 utc | 249
Hey, he could invade the Svalbard islands!

Posted by: Tichy | Mar 2 2025 0:26 utc | 240

8 Jane. Right on.

Posted by: Lavieja | Mar 2 2025 0:27 utc | 241

8 Jane. Right on.

Posted by: Lavieja | Mar 2 2025 0:27 utc | 242

Ghost Ship@219…..what’s with you people “threaten”? Are you nuts what freaking White House news conference did you watch, and Trump’s public speech just before, he was framing the narrative “enough death” and his news scrum several hours later, enough death….he has been on point about that…..why….he told everyone publicly, a big f you to you know who when Trump’s said I talk to Putin a lot…..adults in the room time.
The death is horrific, I’d bet the house, had that been a private meeting Trump would have shoved those pictures Zman produced down his throat…..believe it or not, Trump gets the stakes, he was up front about it, it gets covered here as a regular topic…..The Day After.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 2 2025 0:29 utc | 243

238 UWDude
The Russian minorities in the Baltic states are huge and not entirely unlike the socioeconomic demographics of Eastern Ukraine.
These are not the “trendy” cucky cosmopolitan soy boys who are in Belgium and Barcelona emulating woke Western gays in skinny pants.
You are talking about genuine average ethnic Russian working class. Many descend from Russian soldier-families who settled after WW2, but also longer.
They are being discriminated against and hounded in a way that makes you wonder if the rabid Chihuahuas of Baltic governments WANT to be invaded, not learning anything from Maidan.

Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Mar 2 2025 0:31 utc | 244

‘Odessa’
Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 2 2025 0:12 utc | 246
Anon may call me a dreamer, but I’m not the only one.
Justice for Union Hall Murders?
Now that’s dreaming, but the city itself, certainly, is not.
Leftist Britain is getting outflanked. They are going to need to win the war without America, to call America the “traitor”.
There is a quiet, large bit of the population that finds the English accent very smug. Especially when pronouncing globo-homogenous views.
But we all love the Australian accent, so it’s just funny when they do it.
The most hated accent, is Indian. We can be nice about it, but sometimes the accent is too thick, and it is the language you hear when something breaks, or an account overcharged you. Indians in tech support creates a fairly visceral, (as in vagus nerve, gut, meta-emptional memory.(but generally repressed out of kindness), reaction of people who have to deal with it.
It is always in a bad situation, and the accent is tied to that in cultural memory.
First sentence with Jon Oliver singing with laughtrack audience in background. Make sense?

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 0:33 utc | 245

If the rare earth minerals agreement was important to Trump it would have been signed before the press conference.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 2 2025 0:35 utc | 246

If the rare earth minerals agreement was important to Trump it would have been signed before the press conference.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 2 2025 0:35 utc | 256

Good point.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 2 2025 0:39 utc | 247

Simon Shuster unfortunately I do not regard as a viable source. That man is a maniac who even argued/s in favour of WWIII.
So whatever he writes I would really not take into account. And even if what he wrote down is what he thinks he saw. It is most likely that he willingly did not look beyond what was presented to him. Shuster´s given testimony is about as meaningful and trustworthy as a hooker telling her client he is sexy.
I do not know if Z still believes that Ukraine ever had a chance. If he does he is not only a corrupt mafioso but dumb beyond any measure.
Keep in mind that the AFU is full of officers well aware of RU tactics, think and capabilities. I don´t believe a minute that those people did stand up against the pro-NATO Hail-Mary kinda morons at least confronting Z with what turned out to be accurate very quickly and the ugly truth.
Joe Lauria put it very well end of last year: that the people in the President´s Office in Kiev get the casualty numbers every day. They receive the truth in news from the frontlines every day. They are responsible for pushing the country into suicide knowing full well what is and what was being held secret from the entire world.
So if we call the US apparatus hypocritical – Z is Mr. Hypocritical by an order of magnitude.
And: Z may believe his nonsense. But he should have taken it up with Biden and Blinken NOT Trump. Trump had nothing to do with the SMO and everything that came afterwards. Z blamed the wrong guys.
Besides: HE WANTED the weaponery. HE CHOSE to stay in office. HE GAVE his face to the Neonazi cause.
Since when do we defend presidents for not being responsible for their actions?
If 1 M Ukrainian soldiers are dead he is No.1 to blame. Them are the rules. Sorry.
He could have well walked away. But lo and behold did he seize the opportunity of a lifetime for an actor. Do not underestimate that guy´s vanity. I have met enought actors. The small guys are way more ambitious than would meet the eye.

Posted by: AG | Mar 2 2025 0:40 utc | 248

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 0:33 utc | 255
Your post doesn’t make sense.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 2 2025 0:40 utc | 249

250
The problem with invading Spitzbergen (Svalbard) is that there are large parts occupied by RUSSIANS, who have been there just as long as Norwegians.
The Spitzbergen-treaty even recognizes multi-national sovereignty.
Actually, the way things are going it wouldn’t surprise me if Greenland separated from Denmark and “associated” with USA; while Spitzbergen went from Norway to Russia.
And the fools in our government (and EU) would do nothing…

Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Mar 2 2025 0:41 utc | 250

The Three Stooges: Trump, Vance, Zelensky.

Posted by: lester | Mar 2 2025 0:49 utc | 251

If the rare earth minerals agreement was important to Trump it would have been signed before the press conference.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 2 2025 0:35 utc | 256
It wasn’t. Trump was trying to make a deal for left, right, Russia, and Ukraine.
Well, half heatedly.
Too counter my other point, Trump would never, ever do that to somebody he wanted to work with, and definitely not to a a “war time president”. You don’t make a war time president admit he is losing. Instant death. Now he is trapped, either USA let in for “digging, digging, digging”, or all Ukraine goes to Russia.
This was likely a social-Diem. Zelensky will live posh, but his time in power is over.
So, who USA bullies in to power next, is anybodies guess. Defenestration is an apt word. The fall is fast, and the ground hits you faster than you expected.
Then a “friendlier” man walks over your crushed body to kiss the ring, again, and take your career.
Speaking of reality, how many more gung-ho Ukrainians died than gung-ho Russians in Ukraine? A ton, enough to affect elections for sure.
When all the EU “refugees” return, because war exposed them all at least not being gung-ho Ukraine.
But possibly 5 – 10% of Ukro-Russians who fled to Russia are gung-ho Russia, with a tiny percentage as Ukro agents, (though not inconsequential or to be ignored).
So when Russophones start returning home, you may find and EXTREMELY hostile population to globo-homogenous.
All this talk of Ukro insurrection, in my opinion is garbage, but also not to be ignored. The biggest vapor trail being missed is “deserters” actually forming into cells, perhaps even the recent French trained battalions that evaporated.
Of course, proving whodunnit is useless if the court, aka world opinion and alliance frameworks, hates you.
So gotta control that too.
Not impossible in 5th gen warfare.
Or on the streets
Putin to Trump: “Putin yo bitch in check”
Trump: SMACK! “Watch your mouth bitch. Stay out of this.”
Bitches always trying to start fights their man would have to back up.

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 0:59 utc | 252

I guess it’s easy for me to accept, being in a country where more than 50% of the population are people who have immigrated, or are the children of immigrants….. why don’t the Baltic Russians move to Russia?
Mariupol. It’s on the coast, all the infrastructure is new, and the population is reestablishing itself as a fully Russian city.
It looks like a good place to settle and not have the irritants of living in the Baltics.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 2 2025 1:00 utc | 253

Posted by: LD | Mar 1 2025 17:15 utc | 31
LD, that was my first impression also. But b is correct, Zelensky was, up to that point, containing his anger — he’d had this intent to correct the ‘deal’, (discussed previously at a meeting in Kiev), in an aggressive manner, which Trump was letting him do, providing evidence that he hated Putin and was throwing out unsupported accusations as the gentle warnings from Trump on his own quest to broker a peace deal were being ignored. He was doing exactly what Vance accused him of, attempting a negotiation on the matter that had already been resolved during an equally explosive confrontation with him by Trump’s representative in Kiev some days before. He had been firmly told then that the security questions were not going to be part of the deal. Once you understand that this was a repeat performance it all makes sense.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 2 2025 1:06 utc | 254

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 2 2025 1:00 utc | 265
How about just color revolution the Baltics to national populist which often means anti-globohomogenous.
I know thought is never easily understood, each person has their own stories and views.
Just install reactionaries who hate globo-homogenous. Probably why they suffer now.
To get your men to fight, you must rouse them to anger.
Sun Tzu

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 1:09 utc | 255

DunGroanin | Mar 1 2025 23:44 utc | 229–
Thanks for your reply. An interesting POV that time will test. Today an interesting indirect exchange occurred that RT reported, “Putin should lead ‘free world’–-Medvedev: Kaja Kallas, the EU’s top diplomat, previously suggested that the bloc must replace the US as the world’s leader”:

Russian President Vladimir Putin should be the ‘leader of the free world’, former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has said. His remarks came in response to the EU’s top diplomat, Kaja Kallas, who suggested that the bloc must assume the mantle from the US following Washington’s policy shift on Ukraine.
On Friday, Kallas, along with several other EU leaders, reiterated their support for Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky, who engaged in a heated exchange with US President Donald Trump in the White House on Friday. Trump accused Zelensky of not being grateful for American assistance and not being willing to negotiate an end to the Ukraine conflict, while the Ukrainian leader urged Washington to continue its military support for Kiev while warning that failure to do so would backfire on the US.
Kallas took a swipe at Trump, writing: “Ukraine is Europe! We stand by Ukraine. We will step up our support to Ukraine so that they can continue to fight back the aggressor [sic]. Today, it became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It’s up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge.”

And so said part of the team of Europe’s Dictators arrogating to themselves that only they have the right to make such an appointment. There’s a bit more at the link, but the gist is above.
As I’ve noted, denazification must extend beyond Ukraine.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 2 2025 1:10 utc | 256

Do you think the EU/UK neoliberal slav hating warmongers hate Trump or Putin more now? Are they all fake and theater too? Oh thats only Trump…
The USA is buried in debt and on the way out.
EU and Uk are buried debt and on the way out.
One is making WW3 noises the other isn’t.
Nothing like escalating when you pick a fight you cant finish. Go ahead EU UKsend your people to the meat grinder. You will be voted out in a hot minute. Oh I forgot. Voting is “undemocratic” if it doesnt go your way ala Romania. Back to the front! Thats democracy.
Of course Trump could still pick a fight with China and puck the fooch.

Posted by: synergy02 | Mar 2 2025 1:21 utc | 257

Melaleuca @ 265:
The Russian-speaking minorities in the Baltic republics probably would like to move to Russia but they will need to apply for passports and have citizenship papers, and to get those they need to know Estonian, Latvian or Lithuanian. They cannot get them otherwise.
Many of these Russian speakers have only ever needed to know Russian, and live in areas where Russian is the dominant language, such as Daugavpils in Latvia and Narva in Estonia. A lot of them are elderly pensioners who don’t have the money or resources to learn Estonian, Latvian or Lithuanian.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 2 2025 1:28 utc | 258

Melaleuca | Mar 2 2025 1:00 utc | 265–
I pondered that question early, during the first several years of the USSR’s demise and have only one answer that makes sense. Putin and others have described Russians/Soviets as having a Big Country and a Small Country to which they are loyal. Russians in Baltics have been there many decades, have deep family and other local roots, and find it very painful to leave them behind no matter the new pains they must adapt to. Yes, a large percentage have returned to Russia. But travel remains two-way and Russian embassies still operate. Demographically, the Baltics are dying and need to attract people instead of pushing them away.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 2 2025 1:29 utc | 259

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 2 2025 1:00 utc | 265
I was born and live in a country where only 18% of the people speak it’s language. A language which is the second oldest in Europe (Basque being the oldest). A beautiful language of poets and song. As a people we are very proud of our heritage and culture.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 2 2025 1:30 utc | 260

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 0:33 utc | 255
There’s no such thing as an English accent, if you mean received-pronunciation then it all depends on the affectation employed by the speaker.

Posted by: Milites | Mar 2 2025 1:30 utc | 261

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 0:59 utc | 264
P.s.
Best international agents, worldwide, are prostitutes, and Eastern Europe has the best international agents.
Only way I could figure to track dissolving battalions into insurgency cells

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 1:30 utc | 262

I don’t think much of the mineral agreement, but it was important to Trump even if it was merely some sort of token I guess.
But anyway, Zelensky first proposed it before the election. Then after Trump took office things moved quickly. Zelensky was supposed to sign it when he met with Vance in Munich. He said he agreed but he had to legislative approval. The he went home to Ukraine and started bragging that he had rejected the deal while telling Trump he would sign it. Trump sent Scott Bessant over and Zelensky treated him very poorly and said he wouldn’t sign. Then after a few days Zelensky said he would sign it but he wanted to come to Washington to do it. They let him come but and he was supposed to sign it as soon as he walked in the door, but he demurred again and they had the press conference.
So, by the time the confrontation started at 40 minutes in, Trump and Vance were fed up with his shit.

Posted by: CullenBaker | Mar 2 2025 1:33 utc | 263

if you mean received-pronunciation then it all depends on the affectation employed by the speaker.
Posted by: Milites | Mar 2 2025 1:30 utc | 274
I mean the accents that self-identity as cis-Brit.
Even funnier, it is more the South Brit, not scouse or anything. Americans can hardly understand it. But proper Kings English just drives a small bit of us into ruffian scoff, it just sounds so pompous to us.
Oh, and Russian accent bad guy on TV and movie all time. It’s comical once you see it.

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 1:36 utc | 264

@ James M. | Mar 1 2025 23:32 utc | 223

Unanimously Adopting Resolution 2202 (2015), Security Council Calls on Parties to Implement Accords Aimed at Peaceful Settlement in Eastern Ukraine
Expressing the Security Council’s grave concern at the tragic events and violence in eastern regions of Ukraine, the 15-member body today unanimously adopted a resolution endorsing last week’s ceasefire agreement.
By resolution 2202 (2015), the Council called on all parties to fully implement the “Package of Measures for the Implementation of the Minsk Agreements”, adopted on 12 February 2015 in Minsk, Belarus. 
Firmly convinced that the resolution of the situation in eastern regions of Ukraine could only be achieved through a peaceful settlement to the current crisis, the Council welcomed the declaration by the Heads of State of the Russian Federation, Ukraine, France and Germany in support of the “package of measures” and their continuing commitment to implement the agreements.
The 13-paragraph “package of measures”, contained in Annex I of the resolution, called for a number of actions.  Those included an immediate and comprehensive ceasefire in certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine and its strict implementation as of 15 February 2015, as well as the withdrawal of all heavy weapons by both sides by equal distances in order to create a security zone.  Measures also included the withdrawal of all foreign armed formations, military equipment and mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under the monitoring of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), as well as the disarmament of all illegal groups.
In addition, the package called for carrying out reform in Ukraine with a new constitution entering into force by the end of 2015. 
That document had to provide for decentralization, as well as adopting permanent legislation on the special status of certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in line with eight measures until the end of 2015…
https://press.un.org/en/2015/sc11785.doc.htm

Posted by: suzan | Mar 2 2025 1:36 utc | 265

regardless of who sits in the Ukrainian president’s office 3 or 6 months from now, this war will be decided on the battlefield
where the Russians are in a very very strong position to seize anything they want, up to and including Odessa, over the next 6 months
the only way out for Zelenski is either in a coffin or on a plane to one of his properties in the US Virgin Islands/Caribbean or in Europe

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 2 2025 1:37 utc | 266

Below is a quote from
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2025/03/01/trump-gives-zelensky-bum-rush-and-flushes-european-ploy-escalate-war-against-russia/

Trump was astute to the attempted rumble. He told reporters on the White House lawn following the slap-down of Zelensky: “We want peace. We’re not looking for somebody to sign up a strong power and then not make a peace deal because they feel emboldened. That’s what I saw happening. He wants to fight, fight, fight. I am not looking to get into anything protracted.”

“…get into anything protracted.”….Is this not clear enough for folks….Trump is in negotiation development mode around Ukraine knowing he has a losing hand.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 2 2025 1:39 utc | 267

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 2 2025 1:37 utc | 280
I don’t think Russia will need to seize Odessa. It will be given to them.

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 1:41 utc | 268

Sadly hitler would be very pleased if he could see whats happening in europe right now, especialy england.
Its a continuation from where he left of.
They need to be stopped once again by Russia and america,
What ever that takes !!!

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 2 2025 1:49 utc | 269

Posted by: Milites | Mar 2 2025 1:30 utc | 274
There are many English accents. A study of them came to the conclusion that the closest to how English should be pronounced was found in North-East Wales.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 2 2025 1:51 utc | 270

seeing the EU and especially the UK going full nazi is truly a sight to behold.
mental breakdowns on the highest level, like a woman that got told no for the first time in her life.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 2 2025 1:53 utc | 271

“NorwegianPawn | Mar 2 2025 0:31 utc | 254
The Russian minorities in the Baltic states are huge and not entirely unlike the socioeconomic demographics of Eastern Ukraine.
These are not the “trendy” cucky cosmopolitan soy boys who are in Belgium and Barcelona emulating woke Western gays in skinny pants.
You are talking about genuine average ethnic Russian working class. Many descend from Russian soldier-families who settled after WW2, but also longer.
They are being discriminated against and hounded in a way that makes you wonder if the rabid Chihuahuas of Baltic governments WANT to be invaded, not learning anything from Maidan.”
When the three Baltic states separated itself from the Soviet Union over 30 years ago, in Estonia there was one third Russian speakers, in Latvia about two thirds, in Lithuania about 20 per cent.
Since then the repression of the Russian language, the Baltic language exams (those not passed through are dispelled), changes in the schooling system and prohibiting the use of Russian language officially , has diminished these numbers.
Nowadays, however, it’s almost impossible to get true counts, all sources easily available, (like Wikipedia, which gives totally wrong numbers), are purged from facts as ” the Russian propaganda”.

Posted by: k | Mar 2 2025 1:57 utc | 272

When I look into my crystal ball, for a year from now, I see:
The SMO still creeping eastwards. RF relaxed, unfazed by 2025’s turmoil, and quietly confident of more winning.
Zalushny in charge of Ukraine and the AFU, all funded and armed by the UK and EU.
Zelensky hermetically invisible to the world, or dead.
NATO totally silent, as if non-existent.
Europe still deluded that Russia wants to take over Europe. Europe still keeping on its RF sanctions.
US and Russia trading nicely. Many US-imposed sanctions secretly lifted.
Ukrainian citizens at a point of civil war and a Rada (Ceaușescu-style) revolution.
UK and French bodybags piling up, unknown to their voters.
More US and EU scrap metal littering the Ukrainian fields.
Refugee Ukrainians (the “Euro-lovers”) sleeping and begging all over Europe’s streets.
4 more Ukrainian Oblasts having voted to be Russian.
Transnistrians waving “Welcome Russia” flags.
An increase of *sensible* Ukie defectors into east Russia, ie its 8 new oblasts.
German industry begging for NS repairs.

Posted by: Gerhardt G. | Mar 2 2025 1:59 utc | 273

https://x.com/aaronjmate/status/1895949885658316873
Aaron Maté @aaronjmate
It seems that some self-identified leftists are bothered that Trump is talking about peace.
https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1895947276901892121
Mehdi Hasan @mehdirhasan
What really bothered Trump, it seems, was the criticism of Putin.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Mar 2 2025 2:06 utc | 274

Please see the excellent riposte to Zelensky pity by Patrick Lawrence at The Unz Review:
https://www.unz.com/plawrence/chihuahuas-not-dobermans/
Posted by: Jane | Mar 1 2025 16:57 utc | 21
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Well recommended. Thank you, Jane.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 2 2025 2:10 utc | 275

Joint Russian and american peace keeping warships off the coast of Odessa would i feel send the right message.
Game chainger,
Check mate !

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 2 2025 2:12 utc | 276

Like so many Estonians her grandparents were active in the Omakaitse
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omakaitse
The Estonian SS got many recruits from there. Before that, they were the “classical” genocidal psychopaths who popped up in entire Balticum as soon as the Wehrmacht had settled down in 1941.
All the 3 Baltic states are full om deranged lunatics descending from absolute maniacs. Sweden and Norway is full of their descendants today who escaped accross the Baltic sea in 44/45.
Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Mar 1 2025 22:36 utc | 196
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I guess the Germans/Nazis seemed better than the Russians/Soviets/Bolsheviks to a lot of nationalists. Then there was the element of the German diaspora already there.
Were all nationalists racists?
Would they have eliminated the Roma on their own, if the Germans/Nazis hadn’t taken over?
This question still seems to be relevant.
Meanwhile here is an excellent piece by Alistair Crooke that so far had escaped my notice. The Oval Office Slugfest has hogged the air waves, but I think this is worth a read:
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2025/02/26/america-as-republic-not-as-empire-europe-sound-and-fury-after-jaw-dropping-pivots-in-us-policy/

Posted by: Jane | Mar 2 2025 2:14 utc | 277

Call me Captain Obvious, but if the Russian Federation ends up with the Eastern parts of Ukraine, while the United States eases off the arming of the AFU, and enabling missile launches into Russia, then the United States might find itself able to have its companies tender bids to help develop those newly controlled areas. And the European Union would be left to pound sand as the American economy soared, and the companies within it were than able to make inroads into markets the EU was formerly able to be competitive in. Very high energy prices, high taxes, and a woke government and society, are not conducive to robust growth.
Trump and Putin could end up looking at each while both sing
“I’ve got the brains, you’ve got the looks
Let’s make lots of money
You’ve got the brawn, I’ve got the brains
Let’s make lots of…”
https://genius.com/Pet-shop-boys-opportunities-lets-make-lots-of-money-lyrics

Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 2 2025 2:18 utc | 278

Why not to use a professional interpreter ? ? ? Fox News interview proofs the point. English language is more nuanced than it appears to the “newcommer” like Zelensky. Fatal error.
Posted by: Alex Vadim | Mar 1 2025 23:01 utc | 206
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First mention I have seen of the fact that Zelensky was speaking in a second language—hence at a major disadvantage from the get-go— and his companions, in their native language.
That doesn’t excuse him. In fact, it might have been another aspect of his hubris that he thought he could handle this language situation on one against two and didn’t rely on an interpreter, who might even have steered him away from dangerous linguistic shoals.
Still, I think Americans are generally clueless as to the advantages that accrue to them from the fact that English is the current lingua franca. This is in all fields: business, politics, culture, science, etc. Only an extremely fluent and confident English speaker could have responded to the Trump-Vance onslaught.
Thought experiment: the White House Slugfest carried out in the classical “language of diplomacy,” French!!!

Posted by: Jane | Mar 2 2025 2:23 utc | 279

As for Zelenskey, this is Trump’s message: You don’t want to make a deal – get out. When you want to make a deal call me, but it will be a worse deal than you get before. In the meantime we’ll put the squeeze on (no aid) until you make the deal.
. . .
Posted by: James M. | Mar 1 2025 23:51 utc | 236
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Is n’t t his basically what Putin also said back in 2022:
The longer you wait [to make a deal/negotiate an end to this mess], the worse will be the deal that you can make.

Posted by: Jane | Mar 2 2025 2:36 utc | 280

Posted by: Jane | Mar 2 2025 2:14 utc | 291
“I guess the Germans/Nazis seemed better than the Russians/Soviets/Bolsheviks to a lot of nationalists.”
Well of course they would as the majority of nationalists have an element of racism in their ideology. The Russians/Soviets/Bolsheviks were not racist.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 2 2025 2:37 utc | 281

@ UWDude | Mar 1 2025 23:56 utc | 240 / 282
those parts of the 49 minute talk were noted by me as well.. the video is quite telling on a number of levels… interesting conclusion at 282..
@ juliania | Mar 2 2025 0:06 utc | 243 / 244
thanks juliania… i don’t know that i can watch that hour and 10 minute video, but i am sure it would be informative.. i just finished watching the 42 minute interview with mario rubio from feb 21st with catherine herridge… that was interesting – especially what was said regarding zelensky from 22 to 24 minutes into it.. it sheds more light on the trump-zelensky event from yesterday being discussed on this thread.. here is the link if you are interested.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI2FSsNcrQo
i am going to keep it simple.. i wish the trump admin well, especially with regard of achieving peace with this russia-nato conflict.. i do think the way this conflict is defined matters as well, which is why i call it russia-nato conflict… ukraine is just the hockey puck in the match between russia-nato… and as zelensky likes to say – some type of security guarantee is needed, although for that to happen a security balance is needed.. this is what russia has been advocating for and has been unable to convince nato of its importance.. maybe trump admin can change how it sees and processes all this… i live in hope!!

Posted by: james | Mar 2 2025 2:46 utc | 282

I don’t think Russia will need to seize Odessa. It will be given to them.
Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 1:41 utc | 282
Not if the French and Brits can help it! They’ve already been surreptitiously in there for a year now, preparing defences. Zelensky made serious efforts and deals to “keep Odessa Ukrainian” with Biden, UK, FR, NATO. But with Trump not really caring, and Russia just plodding on, a solid surrounding of the city might just resolve it in Russia’s favour.
Trump’s non-committal answers to the Odessa question might indicate he already knows Putin is gunna DEMAND IT before stopping his advance.
You say “given to them”. Ah, but by whom? Certainly not Kiev, FR, UK, NATO,EU, Trump.

Posted by: Gerhardt G. | Mar 2 2025 2:47 utc | 283

After all those nice words about stopping the dying on both sides in Ukraine…..
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio announced that he had authorized the use of emergency powers to speed up the delivery of around $4 billion in military aid to Israel.
https://matzav.com/rubio-announces-4b-military-aid-to-israel-reversing-bidens-arms-hold/

Posted by: ockham | Mar 2 2025 2:48 utc | 284

There are many English accents. A study of them came to the conclusion that the closest to how English should be pronounced was found in North-East Wales.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 2 2025 1:51 utc | 284

Diplomats in other countries are taught Oxford English. They don’t care how the plebes converse among themselves.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Mar 2 2025 2:50 utc | 285

Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | Mar 1 2025 20:34 utc | 123
OMG. Pretty bad manners. Butt hurting? Trying to teach Zelensky something?
FWIIW, I am not trying to teach a pig to sing. It only annoys the pig.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 2 2025 2:52 utc | 286

Step 1 completed. Make impossible demands of Ukraine.
Step 2 make impossible demands of Putin.
Step 3 walk away from the whole mess say he can’t make peace if they can’t agree on what to compromise on.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 2 2025 3:11 utc | 287

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 2 2025 3:11 utc | 301
############
Trump thinks bigger than just getting out of this mess.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 2 2025 3:26 utc | 288

So there is a bit in the white house meet where Zelensky, keen to correct Trump/Vance on somethign, says how life is quite normal in Ukraine, people go to work, shop, go to school, but there is sometime disruption near the front line, but not much
Worrds to that affect
PLus one for Putin’s Russia, then.
Interesting.

Posted by: Keith | Mar 2 2025 3:33 utc | 289

You say “given to them”. Ah, but by whom? Certainly not Kiev, FR, UK, NATO,EU, Trump.
Posted by: Gerhardt G. | Mar 2 2025 2:47 utc | 297
The rump Ukrainian puppet government.
And I have suspected this for years, the whole SMO has the same goals. It changed in tactics after the first retreat, but that’s because Putin wants to take Ukraine, not destroy it. This is why Putin fights the war the way he does, and why soldiers slowly bleed the way they do, why no big arrows.
5th gen warfare means putting critical focus on all faces of war, and devising your strategies accordingly. In all spaces, including space time.
I bet Putin (and his successor),was willing to sloMO for another 4 American elections if he had too, waiting for the inevitable morale or economic fatigue.
BTW, bold prediction:
Putin will name a successor, it will be a seeming nobody, and United Russia Party will embrace him. It will not be Medvedev.

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 3:33 utc | 290

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 2 2025 3:11 utc | 301
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Trump thinks bigger than just getting out of this mess.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 2 2025 3:26 utc | 302
Is someone coming around to old Trump?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 2 2025 3:37 utc | 291

I *try* not to get emotionally involved. I am only interested in learning new things and comprehending strategy.
All of this misplaced anger and worship directed towards Trump seems very wasteful and unproductive to me.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 2 2025 3:44 utc | 292

very wasteful and unproductive to me.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 2 2025 3:44 utc | 306
That’s the point of a bar, isn’t it?

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 2 2025 3:45 utc | 293

Putin “should” be leading the free world?
Hes been leading the free world since 2007 Munich.
And now?
The clown show tried their tricks…
Not a worthy opponent for Putin.

Posted by: synergy02 | Mar 2 2025 3:46 utc | 294

UKRAINE: Norway’s largest marine fuel company refused to sell diesel to a US Navy Virginia-Class attack submarine. While the fuel was only for the USS Delaware’s backup diesel engine, this is the first time a NATO member refused a fellow NATO member fuel for a military vessel. It may be time for the US to exit NATO.
Posted by: Mary | Mar 1 2025 23:32 utc | 222
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Got me puzzled, also infuriated.
It is the backup diesel generator, a bigger version of what large aircraft carry for power when the jet engines are shut down. Nuclear subs do not have backup diesels for propulsion.
Time for the US to shut down some bases in Europe? We might get kicked out of NATO all by our lonesome, the way things are going.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 2 2025 3:49 utc | 295

“All of this misplaced anger and worship directed towards Trump seems very wasteful and unproductive to me.”
Your telling me?
Because I gots both anger and worship.
Its like hate tatooed on one fist and love on the other.
Palestine and Ukraine.

Posted by: synergy02 | Mar 2 2025 3:57 utc | 296

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 1 2025 19:42 utc | 108
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Completely right. The US of A started the war in Ukraine. The US of A lost the war in Ukraine. The US of A can not be trusted.

Posted by: pepe | Mar 2 2025 3:58 utc | 297

#42 glad to see vicious Baltic chihuahuas put on f*leash…

Posted by: sejmon | Mar 2 2025 4:02 utc | 298

“UKRAINE: Norway’s largest marine fuel company refused to sell diesel to a US Navy Virginia-Class attack submarine. While the fuel was only for the USS Delaware’s backup diesel engine, this is the first time a NATO member refused a fellow NATO member fuel for a military vessel. It may be time for the US to exit NATO.
Posted by: Mary | Mar 1 2025 23:32 utc | 222”
Sounds to me like the EU needs to put Trump in his place with sanctions on the USA. Tariffs om USA natural gas. 🙂

Posted by: synergy02 | Mar 2 2025 4:02 utc | 299

@ Acco Hengst | Mar 2 2025 3:49 utc | 309
if this keeps up maybe norway will spill some beans on nordstream.. it takes 2 to do the ”blackmail tango”..

Posted by: james | Mar 2 2025 4:05 utc | 300