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March 29, 2025
Some Media Still Claim A Putin-Trump Alliance Even As There Is None

President Putin of Russia recently gave a speech to the 6th International Arctic Forum. It was a big picture talk  touching many issues. Putin also mentioned U.S. attempts to acquire, by whatever means, Greenland.

It is not astonishing that several 'western' media picked up on this. But what is astonishing is how the headlines divert from each other. It is like two different speeches were held, listened to and reported on.

On one side there are claims that Putin is somewhat endorsing or supporting Donald Trump's attempts to steal Greenland from Denmark:

Other outlets present a very different view:

Reading Putin's speech I find little in support of the claims the first group of headlines are making.

There is no endorsement stealing Greenland in it – none. Just a minder that this is not the first time a U.S. president tries to get Greenland. This while warning of potential reactions:

Meanwhile, the role and importance of the Arctic for Russia and for the entire world are obviously growing. Regrettably, the geopolitical competition and fighting for positions in this region are also escalating.

Suffice it to say about the plans of the United States to annex Greenland, as everyone is aware. But you know, it can surprise someone only at first glance. It is a profound mistake to treat it as some preposterous talk by the new US administration. Nothing of the sort.

In fact, the United States had such plans as far back as 1860s. As early as that, the US administration was considering possible annexation of Greenland and Iceland

In short, the United States has serious plans regarding Greenland. These plans have long historical roots, as I have just mentioned, and it is obvious that the United States will continue to consistently advance its geo-strategic, military-political and economic interests in the Arctic.

Russia, Putin says, will have to react to this:

As to Greenland, this is an issue that concerns two specific nations and has nothing to do with us. But at the same time, of course, we are concerned about the fact that NATO countries are increasingly often designating the Far North as a springboard for possible conflicts and are practicing the use of troops in these conditions, including by their “new recruits” – Finland and Sweden, with whom, incidentally, until recently we had no problems at all. They are creating problems with their own hands for some reason. Why? It is impossible to understand. But nevertheless, we will proceed from current realities and will respond to all this.

I must emphasise: Russia has never threatened anyone in the Arctic. However, we are closely monitoring developments in the region, formulating an appropriate response strategy, enhancing the combat capabilities of the Armed Forces, and modernising military infrastructure facilities.

There is nothing in Putin's speech that would support the Guardian, NBCnews or National Interest take. It seems their authors are still laboring under a Russiagate Derangement Syndrome. They are seeing – just like during Trump's first presidency – every U.S. action, not matter how bad, as being in Russia's favor. Russian warnings are portrait as endorsements of open U.S. hostility.

When will they learn that the gig is up?

Comments

Well gee! If you can’t trust the media, who can you trust…./s
The grand narrative being played on the curtain in front of the God Of Mammon cult and their toady followers.
The reality train is coming and it is time to get on board. I expect ALL of Western media to not make the train and be left behind….thankfully.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 29 2025 15:47 utc | 1

Western legacy media stopped factually reporting event’s a long time.
Windy opinions on subjects.
And the regurgitation of government press release is the level of their offerings.

Posted by: jpc | Mar 29 2025 15:53 utc | 2

Headlines are the editor, which means the publisher. They bear the same relationship to the actual story as a movie trailer does to the movie. They are the marketing part of journalism. Nobody should think the coming attractions are reliable guides to what you will experience in the theater. By the way, this problem applies to all media, even books. The publishers hope the headlines will prompt or even prejudice the desired reading of any facts presented in the body of the story or article itself. The patriotic presumption that the government’s position is the truth, along with the unspoken reliance on conventionally accepted—usually patriotic—myths does most of the rest of the work, along with constant repetition and sheer loudness of the megaphones. The people who can afford those are generally the rich, aka the ruling class.
Our host cites Putin as saying

They are creating problems with their own hands for some reason. Why? It is impossible to understand.

For my part I do not think it is genuinely impossible to understand. My one word answer to that question is, imperialism.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Mar 29 2025 16:16 utc | 3

“It is like two different speeches were held, listened to and reported on.”
Well of course to the west it was two different speeches. The west only heard/reported what they wanted to hear/report.

Posted by: KingCobra | Mar 29 2025 16:22 utc | 4

Posted by: steven t johnson | Mar 29 2025 16:16 utc | 3
#########
While older, Putin still struggles to accept that people can be rotten at the state level.
I think this is why the Europeans “took him for a ride” with the Minsk agreements.
They are all rotten and dangerous until materially and repeatedly proven otherwise.
Good faith is nice but it’s often the difference between predator and prey.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 29 2025 16:25 utc | 5

psychohistorian | Mar 29 2025 15:47 utc | 1–
Did you catch the latest Hudson piece about gold? https://michael-hudson.com/2025/03/gold-rush-2025-a-new-era-for-global-finance/

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 29 2025 16:27 utc | 6

On Trump’s Greenland (G) proposal.
G is entirely dependent on outside funding, at present mostly by Denmark, the EU also contributes via several programs. I can’t quote exact nos., they wouldn’t mean much anyway, only a very complex thorough analysis could show what is going on, the effects / opinions on the ground, and Idk of any such analysis existing, would it even be possible to do it? — probably not.
Trump saying “It might happen” (direct quote) > that the USA takes over Greenland is not La-la-land, it is a real possibility.
G ppl are dependent, exploited, very ill with amongst other scourges, sexually transmit. diseases (to mention only that) subject to all the horrors of colonial sadism, children being taken away, nasty experiments, etc.
see for ex:
Greenlandic Grievances With Denmark and Trump’s Annexation Plan. Feb. 2025.
https://original.antiwar.com/Joseph_Terwilliger/2025/02/19/greenlandic-grievances-with-denmark-and-trump-annexation-plan/
This is just one article, sure, but look up say stats. of syphillis in G, Tuberculosis..
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9067975/

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 29 2025 16:30 utc | 7

The history of Nazi behavior suggests not knowing “the gig is up” until opposing troops are at their door.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 29 2025 16:32 utc | 8

The expectation in the west, based on their leadership’s typical response to such imperialist actions would be that their political class would decry the potential takeover as an affront to “democracy”, “rules-based-order”, “indigenous rights”, or whatever.
It is what Putin does not say that creates the impression to the western media that he supports it. They are as clueless as to context and cultural differences as ever.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Mar 29 2025 17:03 utc | 9

American antagonism toward Russia goes back at least to the 1917 Russian Revolution, fear of bolshevism, and the Red Scare. So, piling onto Russia in the news media today is just staying on the same path.
Of course, when America gets dreamy-eyed about annexing the natural resources of Greenland and Canada, it’s only natural that its gaze also drifts toward acquiring Russia.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Mar 29 2025 17:08 utc | 10

In fact, the United States had such plans as far back as 1860s.

I’m glad to see that Putin said 1860s rather than 1760s, the latter which was attributed to him elsewhere.

Posted by: David Levin | Mar 29 2025 17:08 utc | 11

In fact, the United States had such plans as far back as 1860s.
I’m glad to see that Putin said 1860s rather than 1760s, the latter which was attributed to him elsewhere.
Posted by: David Levin | Mar 29 2025 17:08 utc | 11

The formation of the Dominion of Canada in 1867 had a great deal to do with the greedy Yanqui gaze northwards and British colonial efforts to put the kibosh on that.
This is worth mentioning as the US regime has been looking towards Canada in much the same way as Greenland. Some would argue that the current Liberal leader, M. Carney – not to be confused with the current “carny” located at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, D.C. – has succeeded in “moving the goalposts” as the Washington carny now refers to the Canadian PM by his proper title rather than as “Governor” of Canada as he did with Carney’s predecessor, J. Trudeau.

Posted by: NH | Mar 29 2025 17:24 utc | 12

Hawaii was annexed by then US-president Mc Kinley in 1898. There is no doubt it was a deep hanging and very attractive fruit: its tropical climate, existing American-owned sugar and pineapple plantations, its strategic position both for trade and military adventures, but most important: untouched by the major powers of the time, such as Spain. Defenseless, a long way removed from Spain, while in easy reach from the US west coast. An easy prey, no real imperialist can resist the temptation.
A similar strategic position had the Philippines, they were annexed in the same year, despite the Spanish being already there – but their fleet was no match for the US Navy. Too attractive, too easy to grab – Mc Kinley couldn’t resist.
Alaska’s highest mountain, the Denali, has been recently restored by Trump to its former name of Mount Mc Kinley. You can tell he feels like in president Mc Kinley’s footsteps. Again, Greenland is a deep hanging fruit, defenseless unless you expect 56.000 Inuit and tiny Denmark to stage any kind of resistance. It is attractive because of its size, its mineral resources, and by its position in the Arctic sea – the US will have all the marine and air bases it wants, and control all marine traffic trying to pass between Greenland’s north coast and the polar ice sheet.
What comes to mind is Trump’s ambition to control the Panama Canal again, not so much to lower the cost of the US’s own passages – but to gain the power of limiting traffic by other countries’ trade- and military ships, taking huge fees or denying the passage altogether. It is like we’re still living under the British empire, keeping the rest of the planet in a chokehold by the multitude of its overseas territories and their combined strategic power.

Posted by: grunzt | Mar 29 2025 17:27 utc | 13

To reuse an old joke from Al Bundy:
Whos reporting would you rather trust:
a) The Guardian
or
b)..
“B!”

Posted by: Pfeilchen | Mar 29 2025 17:30 utc | 14

I remember some time ago a Chinese strategic forecaster said the next world War would be between Europe. To me it seemed wishful thinking on their part. Now strangely not so much, although still a small probability.
Fascinating.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 29 2025 17:33 utc | 15

I ‘ll say little about the dissonance in MSM, it’s unbelievable the level of distortion and outright lying in a world where the internet should render this impossible, not amplify it.
Regarding the central issue, it seems clear, that the us is establishing a 3.000 (nautical?) miles radius, circle and saying “MINE” (colombia and venezuela , as well as iceland and even the Azores might or might not be in that circle, but clearly greenland is, from alaska to hawaii, panama to greenland)
Now… a base in greenland with something similar to a RS-26 would basically cover much , if not all of eurasia (as in 1984) and also practical for Me and north africa… And I’m mentioning intermediate range missiles that could evolve to hazelnut like thingies…
An effective countering would see a new cuban (maybe venezuela now) missile crisis
For those that read often here you probably heard me mention a gdansk circle for a peaceful europe and a santa claus clause to avoid the artic issue, if this goes on it will not end well (and can’t understand how anyone would think putin would be ok with it)

Posted by: Newbie | Mar 29 2025 17:38 utc | 16

Pull the rug out from under the Europeans and withdraw all US personnel and materiel from the mainland and the United Kingdom. See how strong they are once they don’t have someone else’s soldiers and weapons to saber rattle with. So done with these holier-than-thou clowns across the sea.

Posted by: Zinger | Mar 29 2025 17:56 utc | 17

Some people saved their Bell Bottom jeans from the 1970s, understanding that they would become a fashion trend once more, and they kept them tucked away in a drawer until *that moment.*
But the Regime Media outlets are reminiscent of that person who *never stopped wearing* the retread unfashionable obsolete garment, parading around in the Bell Bottoms as if cutting quite a caper, feeling that old out-of-step clothes like Bell Bottoms mean they’re still on-trend. Even when they stand in front of a mirror, they’re unable to see how out-moded they look, how uninformed & out-of-time.
Which is to say that Russophobia *works* for the Europeans & for the neocon Americans: they actually compliment each other when they commit the fashion faux pas of stepping out in the untrendy Bell Bottoms.
The groupthink is such within the Euro warmongers & the American neocons—and they have clung to it so steadfastly for so long—that they are unable to change-up narrative interpretations of current events, like VVP’s comments on the U.S.’s historical interest in Greenland and in the Arctic, or deviate from the pre-agreed text.
Badly in need of script-doctors, they’re incapable of generating new ideas, fresh plot lines or even devising novel characters. The consequence of such groupthink, however, is that the Euro warmongers & American neocons are concretized into place, hamstrung by how maximalist & dead-end their ideas are, and are therefore left with little operational space, constructively speaking.
Idea suppression is such that new political leaders (or state-media proponents) come aboard but quickly learn that the ideology has a stranglehold on innovation. We are all familiar with this in the worst of corporations, where legacy ideas dominate & eventually drive the enterprise into a stale & hackneyed infertility.
Euro & American Russophobic warmongering has the feel of a corporate *death-spiral* quite literally in the making. They are relics of the past that have little currency with the RoW, but oh wel… Regime media, already corporate in nature, promulgates & cheer-leads the uninspiring banality.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 29 2025 18:00 utc | 18

Just as there is Trump Derangement Syndrome for those who despise Trump there is also TDS for Trump supporters.
They will support anything Trump says or does regardless how false or evil it is.

Posted by: Thurl | Mar 29 2025 18:16 utc | 19

The only news event or alliance that matters world wide is the love of the Jewish State. Both Mr Inscrutable Putin and the mouth Trump have professed their love of the Jewish State, therefore they are together in ‘if there’s money in it’ war(jk) or piece, it’ll happen.

Posted by: Sadness | Mar 29 2025 18:23 utc | 20

@Thurl
“Trump Devotion Syndrome”

Posted by: A rope leash | Mar 29 2025 18:28 utc | 21

The Guardian’s descent from liberal social democratic newspaper to British intelligence controlled broadsheet is complete. Who even reads the Guardian for anything other than the quick crossword?

Posted by: Vragtes | Mar 29 2025 18:50 utc | 22

Not sure if you’d call it an alliance – Trump certainly destroyed the united western front of “nobody’s talking with Putin”.
What’s really going on is hard to tell. Trump is in a very bad negotiating position with China. The nuclear arms control treaty START needs to be renewed by February next year. Without China as co-signatory, it is pointless. And China is currently on much better talking terms with Russia than with Putin: Trump can be the odd one out at the table. Or he can make friends with Russia to negotiate at least on equal terms with China.
Which goes for the middle east as well. Iran does no longer care all that much about Trumps Sanctions, now they have very long term cooperation treaties with both Russia and China.
Then there is Brics, which, unsurprisingly, did not fall apart when Trump threatened sanctions. Instead, BRICS & friends continue to move away from dollar, they continue to kick western partners out of their countries and make new arrangements with new partners that offer better terms.
Trump isn’t negotiating because he is Putin’s friend. He is out of options.

Posted by: Marvin | Mar 29 2025 18:51 utc | 23

grunzt | Mar 29 2025 17:27 utc | 13
Hawaii was annexed for the most important reason: untouched by the major powers of the time

You have some basic aspects correct, which allows you to spin a story favorable to your anti US bias.
The truth, however, is far different: from the moment Cook discovered the islands, the race was on for strategic control by all major powers.
Back then, as is true today, there were a handful of chokepoints and logistics stations that were critically valuable for global control:
Cyprus for Suez
Singapore for Malacca straight
Capetown for Good hope
Falklands for cape Horn
Gibraltar for Med
With the victory of Manila bay, the US knew it needed to formalize control of HI to provide a coaling station to support the now growing Pacific fleet. (Which of course rationalized Panama.)
As the Japanese recognized early on, control of HI dictated which side of the Pacific any war would be fought.
What really detracts from the generally good insights and commentary at MoA is this undercurrent of whining, complaining and crying from a group of butthurt malcontents.
The world is a tough place and there aren’t any good guys. Every nation pursues its own strategic goals to ensure the most favorable outcome for the state. (Any advertised benefits for citizens is simply the retail message aka lie.)
It’s clear Trump recognizes the Ukraine gambit failed; too bad, so sad. So, now it’s time to move on to greener pastures (pun intended).
And don’t mistake the apparently benevolent positioning of Russia and China. 90% of Russia’s population lives just as far away from the Artic/Siberia as the rest of Europe by around 1k less miles. Why is their claim any more valid?
China? The only reason they’re friends with an Islamic state is for the energy.
So, when you step back to view the grand chessboard, the only real variable is the unknown outcome. This of course is where technology comes in, the race to develop the best robotics to supplement/displace any actual human footprint in a hostile frozen, environment

Posted by: MarkW | Mar 29 2025 19:03 utc | 24

I wish you were right, but I’m afraid that you are idealising Putin and the Russian leadership. The key part is ‘As to Greenland, this is an issue that concerns two specific nations and has nothing to do with us.’ In other words, Putin, speaking on behalf of Russia, is making it clear that he does not mind ‘the plans of the United States to annex Greenland’ per se and does not object to them. He is openly indifferent to the fact that such an annexation would be a clear violation of international law as well as of the right of nations to self-determination.
I am also reading this in the context of previous comments made by some Russian nationalist bloggers and their readers, who have been showing more or less open pleasure at the prospect of an annexation of Greenland by the US, because they see international law as an obstacle to their wishes and want it to be trampled on and discredited by everybody, including the US. Their simple idea is that if everybody starts going around annexing countries, then what Russia is doing in Ukraine will also become OK. They often react in the same gloating way to other countries’ violations of human rights, of the principles of democracy, of the Geneva conventions and of any norms beyond the reign of brute power – ‘see, there are actually no rules, you can do anything, so it is OK for us, too’.
For Putin himself, the tone of his comments may be more determined by the reluctance to irritate Trump in any way at this crucial juncture. And he is generally trying to come across as more moderate than such essentially fascist supporters of his. However, I don’t think that such attitudes would be so common among the Kremlin leadership’s supporters and propagandists if said leadership was really opposed to them. I am afraid that much of the difference is due to hypocrisy and considerations of official decorum, not substance.

Posted by: F. Foundling | Mar 29 2025 19:11 utc | 25

Thurl @19
You’re just butthurt because nobody listens to you presstitutes anymore. The only reason you can imagine why you cannot get traction with the public nowadays is because everyone must have some religious-like devotion to Trump. You cannot even consider the possibility that the public is sick of your lies and gaslighting, and that you are nowhere near clever enough to fool them.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 29 2025 19:18 utc | 26

Until quite recently the Arctic was a cold desert. Now it is a cold humid maritime climate. Liquid precipitation- rain – was unknown, the Inuit had no word for it. Now it rains often. The permafrost is melting in a rush. Arctic ice shelfs are entirely gone. Seabed methane clathrate deposits are unstable. Anyone who believes they are prepared for what happens next in the Arctic is truly an idiot.
The American who knew more about the Greenland ice cap than anyone else on the planet was Zack Lake. He worked for NOAA. He was just fired from his job. Because Trump believes it is important to know nothing.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 29 2025 19:21 utc | 27

Zack Labe with a ‘B’. This keyboard has a mind of its own.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 29 2025 19:25 utc | 28

@Noirette
‘G ppl are dependent, exploited, very ill with amongst other scourges, sexually transmit. diseases (to mention only that) subject to all the horrors of colonial sadism, children being taken away, nasty experiments, etc.’
And has the US treated its indigenous people better, and is it likely to treat Greenlanders better? The Danish abuses you mentioned are things of the past, not current policies, and Greenland has a huge degree of autonomy at present, while substantial welfare-state policies are still financed by Denmark, and I am not aware of any exploitation of Greenland by Denmark happening currently. The Greenlandic language has official status, receives state support and hasn’t been displaced by Danish (no indigenous language in the US can boast of such a favourable situation). None of these things is likely to remain the case under American rule, least of all under a Trump or, generally, Republican administration. Greenland has no reason, to quote the article you linked to, to want to replace one colonial master with another, especially when the new one is certain to be worse.

Posted by: F. Foundling | Mar 29 2025 19:39 utc | 29

No love lost between Denmark and Canada

Hans Island is a 1.3 square kilometer chunk of deserted rock, situated between the Canadian owned Ellesmere Island and Greenland which is owned by Denmark. The ownership of the tiny island which is more accurately known as a knoll has been in contention for decades with Canada and Denmark both laying claim.



In 1988 a Danish Arctic expedition sailed to the island with the express purpose of erecting a stone marker and a Danish flag which were replaced in 1995 and again in 2003 because of deterioration caused by the exreme weather. 



On July 13, 2005 Canadian soldiers landed on Hans Island and erected an Inuit Inukshuk along with a Canadian flag. One week Later Canada’s Defence Minister Bill Graham flew by military helicopter to the island and walked about in an obvious symbolic gesture. [Source: Halifax Live – 29 July 2005]

Posted by: Oui | Mar 29 2025 19:45 utc | 30

The two countries have agreed to split ownership of Hans Island …

Hans Island, known as Tartupaluk in Inuktitut, has been the subject of a good-natured impasse since 1973 when Canada and Denmark established a border through the Nares Strait between Ellesmere Island and Greenland, but failed to reach an agreement about the uninhabited outcrop.
Since then, the dispute has been dubbed the “Whisky War,” due to military ships visiting the island and planting flags and bottles of Canadian whiskey or Danish schnapps to mark their territory.
“I think it was the friendliest of all wars,” Joly said, joking that she hopes Canada will now be able to participate in the Eurovision song contest due to its land border with Europe. [Politico – 14 June 2022]

Posted by: Oui | Mar 29 2025 19:47 utc | 31

@MarkW
That’s basically the fascistic attitude that is so common among Russian commenters, and here I see it in an American one – the idea that there is and can be no morality, just the law of the jungle and ‘might makes right’. If we humans really can’t do any better than this, as you claim, then it would be best for us all to kill ourselves. The world is hellish in many ways, but to the extent it isn’t, that is thanks to us actively trying not to let it be so, as opposed to the attitude you are advocating.

Posted by: F. Foundling | Mar 29 2025 19:50 utc | 32

“Donald Trump is a pragmatist. His slogan is common sense. It means a transition to a different way of doing things,” Lavrov said.

Lavrov further said that they, however, agreed on using situations where their interests coincide to “translate it into some practical actions and obtain mutually beneficial results.”
“Where interests do not coincide, it is the duty of responsible powers to prevent this mismatch from degenerating into confrontation. This is absolutely our position,” Lavrov said, arguing that this is also the format in which relations between the US and China are built.
Lavrov also claimed that “all the tragedies of the world” originated in Europe, thanks to European policy over the last 500 years.[Anadolu Agency]

The FDR established “world order” has been destroyed by successive U.S. administrations over decades. Annexation is an extension of Manifest Destiny and eliminating indigenous peoples. The Bible and Old Testament leading the pariah states.

Posted by: Oui | Mar 29 2025 20:01 utc | 33

Posted by: F. Foundling | Mar 29 2025 19:11 utc | 25
You completely distorted what Putin said. It is clear that he minded it.
Posted by: F. Foundling | Mar 29 2025 19:50 utc | 32
Who are you to speak about morality and giving lessons to other people you don’t know?
“thanks to us”? Who is “us”?
Your attitude is disgusting when you want to teach others.

Posted by: Naive | Mar 29 2025 20:10 utc | 34

Annexation of Hawaii
https://billofrightsinstitute.org/essays/the-annexation-of-hawaii
American and British missionaries came to Hawaii as early as the 1820s to convert the Hawaiians to Christianity. They reported back in glowing terms about the climate’s ideal conditions …

Posted by: Oui | Mar 29 2025 20:11 utc | 35

Posted by: Oui | Mar 29 2025 20:01 utc | 33
Well said!

Posted by: Naive | Mar 29 2025 20:12 utc | 36

In 1888 Fridtjof Nansen, together with five companions, became the first to cross Greenland’s inland. They spent six weeks skiing across the ice cap from east to west and had to spend the winter 1888-89 at Godthaab (Nuuk) on the west coast before they could get a ship back to Norway.
The First Crossing of Greenland (1888-1889)

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 29 2025 20:12 utc | 37

And has the US treated its indigenous people better, and is it likely to treat Greenlanders better? The Danish abuses you mentioned are things of the past, not current policies, and Greenland has a huge degree of autonomy at present, while substantial welfare-state policies are still financed by Denmark, and I am not aware of any exploitation of Greenland by Denmark happening currently.
F. Foundling | Mar 29 2025 19:39 utc | 29

What’s that, the Danish Troll Force showing up? 🙂 YIPEE, and welcome to the bar.

Posted by: persiflo | Mar 29 2025 20:16 utc | 38

Posted by: persiflo | Mar 29 2025 20:16 utc | 38
Excellent!

Posted by: Naive | Mar 29 2025 20:18 utc | 39

oldhippie | Mar 29 2025 19:21 utc | 27–
Your comment motivated me to visit the Arctic Sea Ice Forum to see what was new. Longtime moderator Gerontocrat has persistently been providing tables and graphs of sea ice extent that are worth looking at, the link is today’s data. The most educational graph is the 5 day trailing average of sea ice area and how this year compares with the past.
In Putin’s address to the Arktika Foundation, he devoted a lot of time/words to the issue of climate change and the challenges it poses to Russian Arctic development. Clearly, Putin has a very different understanding of the issue than Trump as do most Russians. Putin also knows just how far behind the Outlaw US Empire is in dealing with the Arctic, so he has no worries about it acquiring Greenland for it would take many trillions and decades to develop just to equal where Russia is today, and the Empire lacks the money and engineering expertise to replicate Russian accomplishments.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 29 2025 20:18 utc | 40

In fact, the United States had such plans as far back as 1860s.
I’m glad to see that Putin said 1860s rather than 1760s, the latter which was attributed to him elsewhere.
Posted by: David Levin | Mar 29 2025 17:08 utc | 11

Actually, according to Marc Jacobsen and Sara Olsvig (“From Peary to Pompeo: The History of United States’
Securitizations of Greenland”) it goes all the way back to 1832

The first reported mention of official U.S. geostrategic interest in Greenland happened in 1832, when President Andrew Jackson’s administration floated the idea of buying the island

with plenty of more details, all confirming Putins comments
See: Greenland in Arctic Security, Ann Arbour 2024, p 115, free download at
https://www.fulcrum.org/concern/monographs/j098zd77h

Posted by: Udkanten | Mar 29 2025 20:20 utc | 41

karlof1 @ 40
gerontocrat is a treasure.
I never comment at ASIF, only there to learn.
Look at NASA Worldview. Near realtime natural color satellite photos of the Arctic. Huge spans of ice right now which qualify to be counted in both area and extent tallies which are very visibly thin, weak, scattered. If the ice were counted pixel by pixel instead of in very rough grid squares the numbers would be far worse.
The Arctic is way stormier than it ever was. Warmer does not mean more hospitable.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 29 2025 20:27 utc | 42

oldhippie | Mar 29 2025 19:21 utc | 27
karlof1 | Mar 29 2025 20:18 utc | 40

The UK can’t fund Thames Water and some think the West has the resources to address Arctic Ice?
Honestly, its laughable. The climate is going to take it course and people will either learn to adapt or perish.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/23/thames-water-rescue-deal-threatened-by-missing-assets/

Posted by: too scents | Mar 29 2025 20:30 utc | 43

you read it right b… right on.. thanks for articulating all that.. i read it the same..

Posted by: james | Mar 29 2025 20:35 utc | 44

@ Posted by: Udkanten | Mar 29 2025 20:20 utc | 41

We already knew that Trump worships Jackson, because he mentions him regularly. Perhaps he wants to be remembered as Andrew Jackson, Jr.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Mar 29 2025 20:42 utc | 45

Zack Labe (just fired from NOAA)
@ oldhippie | Mar 29 2025 19:25 utc | 28

He produces my favorite site for tracking global sea-ice:
https://zacklabe.com/global-sea-ice-extent-conc/
Such sources, from USA’s scientific community, are drying up and blowing away like autumn leaves this spring. Frustrating for fools obsessively tracking problems we can’t do anything about, such as myself.
Probably the Keeling chart, which first detected the astonishing growth of atmospheric CO2 from Mauna Loa in the late fifties, will finally be shut off in 2025. The upward curve of it describes exponential growth in precise parallel with temperature anomalies, steeper every year, but also fading into irrelevance in a world where humankind has decisively surrendered to nihilism. Why spend good money on fussy parameters such as global temperature, when it would be much more efficient to invest in ignorance? Then just keep blaming continual 100-year fires and floods on divine wrath; Mother Earth quite angry now — quelle surprise!

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 29 2025 20:53 utc | 46

The history of Nazi behavior suggests not knowing “the gig is up” until opposing troops are at their door.
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 29 2025 16:32 utc | 8
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My guess is that the meme will turn into “Who lost Ukraine.”
DJT, the GOP if they do stand behind him and ‘traitor’ Dems, of course. Some Coulda, Woulda maybe.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 29 2025 20:54 utc | 47

While older, Putin still struggles to accept that people can be rotten at the state level.
I think this is why the Europeans “took him for a ride” with the Minsk agreements.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 29 2025 16:25 utc | 5
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Stupid and naive Putin is not. His own history should have exposed him to sufficient rotten human and state conduct to last a lifetime.
The Russians, Putin included, are sticklers for complying with rules. That is how I read it.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 29 2025 20:57 utc | 48

To reuse an old joke from Al Bundy:
Whose reporting would you rather trust:
a) The Guardian
or
b)..
“B!”
Posted by: Pfeilchen | Mar 29 2025 17:30 utc | 14
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Put the arrow straight through the Graudian! Nice job!

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 29 2025 21:00 utc | 49

ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT ON PUTIN
https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/vladimir-putin-limo-moscow-explosion-russia
Vladimir Putin’s limo blows up in massive explosion as car engulfed in huge fireball on Moscow street
Black smoke filled the capital’s street as fire services descended on the scene
Susanna Siddell
One of Vladimir Putin’s limos has burst into flames following a huge explosion along a Moscow street.
One of the vehicles from what is believed to be the President’s “official car fleet” was consumed by flames near Moscow’s FSB secret service headquarters.
It was believed to have started in the car’s engine, but soon after, the Aurus limousine’s interior fully caught fire.
While black smoke smothered the street, staff from surrounding restaurants rushed outside to try and help before emergency services descended on the scene.
One of Vladimir Putin’s limos has burst into flames following a huge explosion along a Moscow street
Video footage has revealed the extent of the damage, showing that the back of the car was severely damaged from the raging fireball.
However, it is unknown who was behind the wheel of the car, nor what triggered the explosion.
The car was said to be one which belonged to the Kremlin’s Presidential Property Management Department.
Media reports have indicated that there were no injuries or deaths after the explosion.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 29 2025 21:00 utc | 50

oldhippie | Mar 29 2025 20:27 utc | 42–
Thanks for the reply. Several years ago, 2010s, the increasing fetch was discussed as a method for further sea ice erosion since more wind over open water makes waves more energetic that makes breaking ice easier and harder for ice to form. We’re now seeing how that works over time. The seemingly pacific nature of the Arctic Ocean seen when ice breakers are slowly crushing through ice is very different when the ice is absent and the winds are howling pushing huge swells. And of course, such winds and waves rapidly erode coastal permafrost. Putin mentioned the fact that Russia’s major Arctic rivers will become navigable waterways in the near future and that special craft need to be constructed for use on them. IMO, Antarctica will always remain the Earth’s last frontier, but for now it’s Eurasia’s Arctic.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 29 2025 21:00 utc | 51

Honestly, its laughable… people will either learn to adapt or perish.
@ too scents | Mar 29 2025 20:30 utc | 43

Only there’s zero chance of the former. Learning to adapt to wet-bulb temperatures which exceed human tolerance is not a thing. How is it possible to relate to folks who LMFAO about climate, as fellow human beings? The lives of your children and grandchildren are nothing more than sources of ridicule.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 29 2025 21:02 utc | 52

@Posted by: Noirette | Mar 29 2025 16:30 utc | 7
“sexually transmit. diseases”
Sexually DEVELOPED diseases. There is no scientific evidence of any germ transmission as the entire mythology of “germ theory”/”viral theory of disease” has been disproven.
See: https://www.amazon.ca/Can-You-Catch-Cold-Experiments/dp/1763504409

Posted by: KOB | Mar 29 2025 21:28 utc | 53

The US, post ww2, was enthusiastic about its rivals being forced to decolonise yet retained its own ‘territories’. The Guano Act 1852 being a case in point. This act remains the somewhat spurious justification for still claiming strategic possessions in the Pacific and Caribbean. Presumably the inhabitants of Greenland will be offered a chance to achieve self-determination in which case development will be open to the highest bidder. I assume China will be very interested in that possibility once ‘Pandora’s Box’ box is opened.

Posted by: Raumati | Mar 29 2025 21:30 utc | 54

Interesting. The media outlets covering this are all insanely rabid anti Putin.
Nothing yet in wider msm.
Anything on telegram and xwitter?
> Moment ‘Putin’s car fleet’ is blown up in huge blast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhVaW1DI7Ic

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 29 2025 21:37 utc | 55

How is it possible to relate to folks who LMFAO about climate, as fellow human beings?
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 29 2025 21:02 utc | 52

I’m not only laughing. I’m mostly crying.
I wonder if we ever truly had a chance to live withing natures boundaries? My experience with Western culture says “no”.
We are on the cusp of great change politically. The rise of the East, and with it the impoverished South will shake the current hegemonic structure to its very foundation. Unfortunately their rise comes least 20 years to late to address climate change.
The whole situation is as tragic as it is remarkable. A catastrophe will come to pass and we are powerless to do anything except watch it unfold. In a perverse way it is a beautiful fragile moment.
It is probably best not to be too sentimental.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 29 2025 21:38 utc | 56

Aleph_Null | Mar 29 2025 21:02 utc | 52–
What’s unknown is the rate at which warming will occur. Most predictions so far have been incorrect, in some cases very badly. IMO, the more dire predicted changes will occur over a broad span of time, not at the flick of a switch as some portray. These are geophysical functions. Earthquakes, for example, seem to occur suddenly but are actually the result of longer-term processes. Unfortunately, our ability to look into the past is rather limited which makes accurate, specific, predictions extremely difficult.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 29 2025 21:41 utc | 57

Melaleuca | Mar 29 2025 21:37 utc | 56–
I just looked at Ria Novosti and Izvestia and they have nothing, nor does RT or Sputnik.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 29 2025 21:47 utc | 58

I don’t think Putin is weak or naive or too disposed to the West or struggles to accept that people can be rotten at any level.
I think Putin has the singular quality among his peers of understanding that wars end.
And when wars end, the warring nations and the people within them have to live together, and if they have to live together, then to prevent war from breaking out again and again over the typical cycle we’ve seen in Europe over just the last hundred years, people not just have to “live” together but actively work and flourish together.
The carefully crafted propaganda images conjured up by the West in WWII of the small bandy legged yellow slit eyed Japanese rapist soldier with his sword and bayonet holding a white woman or beheading a white man take so long to dispel or leave indelible residual animosities that true peace through reconciliation can become too hard.
He truly understands that.

Posted by: Saul Goode | Mar 29 2025 21:48 utc | 59

56 – Nothing in Russian-language media I follow.

Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 29 2025 21:48 utc | 60

Colonel Douglas Macgregor: Zelensky Will Be Gone and NATO Will Fall Apart
IMHO, in the video Col. MacGregor expresses the opinion that NATO will fall apart when the war ends in defeat. What I miss is a rational chain of thought that comes to the unavoidable conclusion that NATO will fall apart upon defeat in Ukraine.

Posted by: Passerby | Mar 29 2025 21:49 utc | 61

What’s unknown is the rate at which warming will occur.
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 29 2025 21:41 utc | 58

Warning of a forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation
Abstract
The Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) is a major tipping element in the climate system and a future collapse would have severe impacts on the climate in the North Atlantic region. In recent years weakening in circulation has been reported, but assessments by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), based on the Climate Model Intercomparison Project (CMIP) model simulations suggest that a full collapse is unlikely within the 21st century. Tipping to an undesired state in the climate is, however, a growing concern with increasing greenhouse gas concentrations. Predictions based on observations rely on detecting early-warning signals, primarily an increase in variance (loss of resilience) and increased autocorrelation (critical slowing down), which have recently been reported for the AMOC. Here we provide statistical significance and data-driven estimators for the time of tipping. We estimate a collapse of the AMOC to occur around mid-century under the current scenario of future emissions.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-39810-w

Of course the data suporting that report has already been superseded.
The times. They are a changin’.

Posted by: t | Mar 29 2025 21:51 utc | 62

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 29 2025 21:00 utc | 50

found the non-british version on telegram, accompanied by videos and eyewittness and all that real journalism that the site you quoted clearly lacks.

An Aurus Senat caught fire in central Moscow today.
Which wouldn’t even be a big story if The Sun (a literal tabloid) hadn’t taken the original report from SHOT, added some spice to it, and then retarded Western influencers on X used it to fish for clicks.
This is what happens when Elon tells everyone they’re a journalist. Common sense would tell you that a vehicle in Putin’s fleet would never be parked on a random street in Moscow in front of a restaurant unguarded. Secondly, if it were his vehicle, civilians would NOT be that close to it even if it were on fire.
Use your brains. PLEASE we beg.
Also, ACTUAL JOURNALISTS know not to take THE FUCKING SUN as a credible source.

engine caught fire, no “huge, bigly explosion”, people call emergencies, even walk to that car “engulfed in flames” casually with some fire extinguishers and all that usual calm stuff one does with a small fire.
this is yet another fine example of the constant lying british media. what a laughingstock of a nation the english have become. clowns, pathetic, and cowardly.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 29 2025 21:52 utc | 63

The headlines, written by Editors, are an attempt to grab attention, i.e “sell” advertising.
Of more interest to my mind is the ideological position of presenting international cooperation between the US and Russia as “dangerous”? What do they want, war?
Oh.

Posted by: YesXorNo | Mar 29 2025 21:58 utc | 64

oldhippie (stay off the weed) and karlof1 (thought you’d know better)
Go visit Wattsupwiththat.com
Arctic ice is quite alright actually.
Climate change sic global warming sic climate Catastrophe…..biggest con since organised religion.
Ask yourself why RF has increased its fleet of icebreaker…..hint, it ain’t getting warmer.

Posted by: AleaJactaEst | Mar 29 2025 22:00 utc | 65

The jig will never be up for the ruling elites in the West and the Regime Media which boost their message of disdain against Russia because they have made bank off of Russophobia for two centuries, hailing back to Russia’s defeat of Napoleon in 1812 and the fear this struck in the heart of Britain for a rising Russian juggernaut, which means they, the Brits, had to mobilize swiftly to thwart it.
Before our contempo era, “The Genesis of Russophobia in Great Britain” published by John. H. Gleason in 1949 lays the info out meticulously, as does Guy Mettan’s title “Creating Russophobia”for a post-2017 look at the issue.
As VVP encouraged industrialists, entrepreneurs and business leaders to be aware of in his talk w/ them on 18 March, a biased prejudice against Russia, hailing from the ruling elites of the West, will have an impact on the economic sphere for companies operating in Russia—prep for it and figure out a way to go forth nonetheless. This is *not* going away.
Insidiously, white ethnic racism is permissible if the targeted group is Russian. The white-on-white aspect of Euro/Anglo/American antipathy aimed toward Russia gives *the West* a collective fig-leaf behind which to hide in the ethnic hate it foments against Russia. That in itself is worth its weight in guilt which might be directed against white-on-brown hate directed against Palestinians, for instance.
All of which is to say that the West can soothe away a lot of its animus if it is directed against Russia, than not.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 29 2025 22:30 utc | 66

Aleph Null
I am trained in root cause failure analysis from an industrial perspective, have worked as a technical.investigator and spent 11 of the past 12 years working for a 4th generation farming family. Weather and climate were front and centre and it was telling that the results we experienced varied regularly from those predicted by the credentialed and approved experts. We also followed an unapproved cranky bloke who based his weather predictions on the relative positions of the sun and planets.
His strike rate got far, far closer to the delivered reality than the approved authorities. We recently discovered that said authorities had been manipulating past results to align with your global warming narrative. It’s been hotter in the past and it has been colder.
It will be so again. Will it end humanity? Possibly. There are bigger forces at play in the universe than humanity. Get over your King Canute complex.

Posted by: eagle eye | Mar 29 2025 22:32 utc | 67

Police have raided a Quaker meeting house in London and arrested six women attending a gathering of the protest group Youth Demand.
More than 20 uniformed police, some equipped with Tasers, forced their way into the Westminster meeting house at 7.15pm, according to a statement by the Quakers.
“No one has been arrested in a Quaker meeting house in living memory,” said Paul Parker, the recording clerk for Quakers in Britain.
“This aggressive violation of our place of worship and the forceful removal of young people holding a protest group meeting clearly shows what happens when a society criminalises protest.
“Freedom of speech, assembly, and fair trials are an essential part of free public debate which underpins democracy.”
Youth Demand describes itself as “a youth-led nonviolent civil resistance campaign demanding the UK stops arming Israel and cancels all new oil and gas granted since 2021”.
The police said those arrested were part of Youth Demand and claimed those attending the meeting were planning direct action in the capital next month.
Quakers, a nickname for members of the Religious Society of Friends, follow a religious tradition that grew from Protestant Christianity in the 17th century.
Quakers have a long history of supporting protest movements and nonviolence is one of their core beliefs.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Mar 29 2025 22:51 utc | 68

I wouldn’t lose any sleep over Wasrael’s ambitions for its AmeriKKKan jew$lave$, nor its Eurotrash jew$lut$. China has been making it more than obvious, for at least a year, that it is ready for any (laughable) threat the “Never Won A Real War” West wants to bluster about.
China’s allies can be summed up as BRICS – the extended version. The Yankees allies can be summed up as Wasrael plus the Eurotrash plus Oz.
If push comes to shove I know which ‘coalition’ my money will be on…

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 29 2025 22:58 utc | 69

@ Melaleuca | Mar 29 2025 21:00 utc | 50
thanks… you know this is on the minds of these nazis – whether zelensky, starmer, or macron and god knows who else..

Posted by: james | Mar 29 2025 23:07 utc | 70

Currently in the Belgorod region, the French and the UK elites are spurring the AFU to take villages and territory, even if it is merely a tree-line, in order to take the fight to the Ruskies and make them pay, what for.
Nothing of strategic interest lies beyond these tree-lines for the AFU—no nuclear power plants, for instance—but the fact that the tree-lines exist in a geographic space that belongs to pre-2014 Russia is currency enough. So the French and the UK elites are thrashing the AFU on.
At any given moment the Euro war mongers, primarily anchored by the UK and the French, *decide* what modus vivendi is necessary to stick it to the Ruskies, even if the decisions they make are peripatetic and nonrational.
The UK and the French have pledged to station Reassurance Forces in Ukraine at some point. Before that, however, they intend to send a limited number of experts to coach the AFU on how to carry out terroristic incursions into *old* Russia as a way to mess with anyone who believes Russia is going to run the table in this war.
UK and French specialists can especially train AFU fighters in how to take the war into the teeth of the Russians, while the specialists themselves hang back in 4-star hotels in Krivoy Rog or in Dneprepetrovsk, enjoying a spot of tea at 10 a.m. and 3 p.m., jiggling their feet as they wait to hear whether the AFU were successful in their efforts.
If the *success* is not what the specialists want to see, well they will have another plan of attack for the AFU to execute, one that they just know this time will really make a difference and change the battlefield dynamics in favor of Ukraine.
As we no doubt glean, Standing With Ukraine is *everything* for Euro-elites. Without Project Ukraine, there can be no slush funds *to support Ukraine,* no complicated financial maneuvers to ensure solvency for the EU, so Standing With Ukraine is much more of an economic strategy than it is a militaristic one.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 29 2025 23:11 utc | 71

AleaJactaEst | Mar 29 2025 22:00 utc | 66–
Another utter fool.
t | Mar 29 2025 21:51 utc | 63–
Yes, that possibility’s been hypothesized for several decades. As we both know, physics rules the rate of climate change.
Siddhartha | Mar 29 2025 22:51 utc | 69–
The basic components of the English Civil War haven’t changed. Last time the commoners were betrayed. That won’t happen this time.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 29 2025 23:12 utc | 72

No matter the headlines, everything has to be portrayed as a US/Russia/China/EU event so that it seems to be of great importance.
In a parallel reality:
USA asks Denmark if it can have Greenland, Denmark says no.
Just a one line article. Instead what do we have:
Greenland takeover
Combat capabilities
Global warming
MI6
Geo-strategic, military-political and economic interests in the Arctic.
NATO
Finland and Sweden
Etc.
So, from that point of view, of grandstanding, sure it looks like a “Putin-Trump Alliance”.

Posted by: Ornot | Mar 29 2025 23:15 utc | 73

How is it possible to relate to folks who LMFAO about climate, as fellow human beings? The lives of your children and grandchildren are nothing more than sources of ridicule.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 29 2025 21:02 utc | 52
Don’t be a drama queen, beautiful soul.
The issue has been totally politicized by the bourgeois parties. The Dems use climate change as an excuse for all kinds of Orwellian police state measures, all the while exacerbating the environment destruction to aid their constituents
Including via war, the single most polluting activity know to man. Is it such a surprise people become indifferent to the issue? Maybe that’s the plan?
Who’s tearing their hair out about racism while leading a fucking genocide against brown children? Reality 101, crybaby: there are two bourgeois parties. They exist solely to benefit a tiny ruling class which is racist, pollutes, and makes war and genocide all over the world. They fill the world with propaganda to convince their wage slaves they are fighting for good while facilitating the rape of the earth and the majority of its people.
Don’t hate the player, hate the game, bro. The worker that LOLs your comments on the danger of pollution is more human than the Dem who cries with you on TV then intentionally fucks the environment.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 29 2025 23:20 utc | 74

steel_porcupine | Mar 29 2025 23:11 utc | 72–
You wrote: “As we no doubt glean, Standing With Ukraine is *everything* for Euro-elites. Without Project Ukraine, there can be no slush funds *to support Ukraine,* no complicated financial maneuvers to ensure solvency for the EU, so Standing With Ukraine is much more of an economic strategy than it is a militaristic one.”
Precisely. Finally got around to watching Hudson chat with Diesen where they agreed the Europe’s killing itself economically for the same reason the Outlaw US Empire’s decline is escalating–once upon a time, the Rest of the World depended on the collective West, but that condition no longer exists, and neither The Empire or EU know what to do economic policy-wise.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 29 2025 23:21 utc | 75

My one word answer to that question is, imperialism.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Mar 29 2025 16:16 utc | 3
You’re getting warmer, but I’d say the situation needs a little more analysis than “Imperialism”. In the west they call Russia “Imperialist”. Can you believe that?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 29 2025 23:26 utc | 76

Justpassinby | Mar 29 2025 21:52 utc | 64
@karl Thanks for the fire extinguisher!
How they wish it was real.
Meanwhile, the growing national sport of vandalising and burning Teslas has spread to Germany… I saw a report 5 had been burned there.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 30 2025 0:08 utc | 77

I very much doubt Putin would endorse Trump’s desire to take over Greenland, Putin is not that stupid and far smarter than Trump thinks. My personal view is that he will make Trump fall on his own sword in the end.
What has been clear for many years is that as the ice melts due to global warming in the northern polar regions that it will make it possible to both extract massive deposits of crude oil and gas from these locations as well as allow for new northern sea transport routes from Greenland, the Atlantic, and North Sea, to the Pacific regions and Bering Sea in the north as well.
This explains why Trump and the US’s newest deep state configuration wants Greenland (and Canada) for strategic geopolitical purposes to create further military bases near to the North Pole. It also explains his attempt to control the Panama Canal between the Atlantic and Pacific: This second purpose is about destroying China’s (and Russia’s) trade sea routes over the top of Siberia to Europe and between the worlds major oceans via Panama Canal, thus impacting their economies and their relationship with South America and Africa as well.
Plans have already been made for potential warfare in the Northern polar regions due to all of this and it is clearly why Putin is increasing Russia’s military and naval presence in the same region as he just announced. The fact is that he saw this coming and has been preparing this territory for increased defence for many years – these regions are full of highly sophisticated Russian submarines and mobile nuclear generation facilities already. I’m sure China understands this perfectly as well.

Posted by: George | Mar 30 2025 0:17 utc | 78

Europe keeps clamoring for war because they didn’t suffer what Japan suffered in 1945. Hope Western Europe gets a taste of Hiroshima and Nagasaki soon. That should force them pacifism which Europe badly needs.

Posted by: Jason | Mar 30 2025 1:44 utc | 79

I chuckled at the Grauniad’s choice of personal pronoun in the headline, they are trying to upset Mr Putin it seems!

Posted by: Surfer Dave | Mar 30 2025 1:49 utc | 80

Europe keeps clamoring for war because they didn’t suffer what Japan suffered in 1945. Hope Western Europe gets a taste of Hiroshima and Nagasaki soon. That should force them pacifism which Europe badly needs.
Posted by: Jason | Mar 30 2025 1:44 utc | 80
______
The dubious morality of wishing nuclear explosions on anyone notwithstanding, what makes you think the Japanese learned pacifism?

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 30 2025 1:54 utc | 81

.hint, it ain’t getting warmer.
Posted by: AleaJactaEst | Mar 29 2025 22:00 utc | 66

It is getting warmer. Here is the current evidence:
https://nsidc.org/sea-ice-today
Arctic sea ice extent appears to have reached its annual maximum on March 22, 2025. This is the lowest maximum in the 47-year satellite record, with previous low maximums occurring in 2017, 2018, 2016, and 2015.
Busted. It is getting warmer.
I guess that many people among the climate change denialists do not have father and grand-father so as to ask them how were the Winters during their youths…

Posted by: Naive | Mar 30 2025 1:55 utc | 82

Zack Labe
People on Arctic Sea Ice Forum post things he writes frequently. I really am impressed by him over the years.

Posted by: paxmark1 | Mar 30 2025 1:59 utc | 83

I remember some time ago a Chinese strategic forecaster said the next world War would be between Europe. To me it seemed wishful thinking on their part. Now strangely not so much, although still a small probability.
Fascinating.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 29 2025 17:33 utc | 15

Once NATO & EU fall apart all the old divisions will resurface so I’d rate it more than small.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 30 2025 2:13 utc | 84

What I miss is a rational chain of thought that comes to the unavoidable conclusion that NATO will fall apart upon defeat in Ukraine.
Posted by: Passerby | Mar 29 2025 21:49 utc | 62

What rational chain of thought doesn’t come to that conclusion?

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 30 2025 2:13 utc | 85

I guess that many people among the climate change denialists do not have father and grand-father so as to ask them how were the Winters during their youths…
Posted by: Naive | Mar 30 2025 1:55 utc | 83

Nobody’s denying that the climate isn’t always changing, we simply point out that humans have nothing to do with it.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 30 2025 2:16 utc | 86

@26 Gruff
Not sure where the foul attitude is coming from. Read much? Biden, Trump and the establishment is evil.

Posted by: Thurl | Mar 30 2025 2:36 utc | 87

“Nobody’s denying that the climate isn’t always changing, we simply point out that humans have nothing to do with it.”
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 30 2025 2:16 utc | 87
You are hereby designated as an unscientific and ideological retard. I thought so based on your earlier assertions, but that post confirms it.

Posted by: Spectator | Mar 30 2025 2:37 utc | 88

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 30 2025 1:54 utc | 82
The dubious morality of wishing nuclear explosions on anyone notwithstanding,
<= Moral behavior requires all sides involved to conform their behavior to moral norms. Western Europe, particular England and France have never one time exhibited moral behavior. They are responsible for more deaths than 1000 nuclear blasts would impose. No part of the thinking or behaviors of those who run and manipulate the nation state system are guided by moral considerations. One important aspect of morality is that to survive amoral behaviors the moral must find ways to eliminate amoral threats. Not sure argument against use of nukes is a moral argument? It is a human rights argument: human rights are superior to nation state rights; neither nation states nor their governments cannot infringe on them. Hence nations have no authority to conduct wars or to engage in practices [such as slavery, conscription, etc.] when or if, such activity places a human life at risk, or forces a human to engage in activities that threaten the right of a human to his or her life, his or her liberty, his or her pursuit of happiness or his or her right to self determination. Of course, if the humans voluntarily assume such risk, then maybe but then the humans are guilty of violating the human rights of others so???? Fake people (nation states, corporations, partnerships, trusts, think tanks, agencies, governments etc.) are not entitled to those rights, they are not creations of our maker, but instead are creation of the nation state. IMO, under that theory, humans have the right to destroy, disband, change, modify, or improve any one of or all of the nations in the nation state system all without input or resistance from the nation state. Until the nation state system adopts, conforms to and enforces human rights in all of its activities and recognizes such rights as superior to nation state authority, morality is not a defense against the use of nukes. Nation states are by their very nature amoral. Morality cannot be attributed to a paper tiger. It is this point, that makes it essential that those who are the governed be in charge of every aspect of their governments. No secrets, no wars, ..

Posted by: snake | Mar 30 2025 2:45 utc | 89

Posted by: Spectator | Mar 30 2025 2:37 utc | 89
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Stop posting.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 30 2025 2:46 utc | 90

Stop posting.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 30 2025 2:46 utc | 91
Thank you!

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 30 2025 2:50 utc | 91

if you know how to walk trough a brick wall, well welcome to the russian world
aint no other way it seems

Posted by: Macpott | Mar 30 2025 2:53 utc | 92

Stop posting.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 30 2025 2:46 utc | 91
No. You stop posting. This talkboard is dominated by your posts lately. Do you ever shut up? Do you ever question your own sanctimony? No you don’t.

Posted by: Spectator | Mar 30 2025 2:56 utc | 93

The Euro war-mongering elite back the Kievan regime unconditionally, joined at the hip as it were, not incidentally mirroring the way the U.S. backs Israel. As such, they form a mutual interest consortium invested in making certain that the war continues. Blocked from widening the war, which by their lights initially meant forcing DJT to backstop their military adventures w/ the Kievan regime, they have had to pivot their focus to perpetuating the war on their *own* dime, which means their *citizen’s* dime through the mechanism of public debt.
The *Russian Threat* is how they’ll perpetuate the grift “for as long as it takes,” which might mean forever. They can sell the “Russian Threat” to the Euro populace because Russia is literally engaged in a war on their continent, so the Brussels bureaucrats can make the possibility of Russia’s marauding onto their citizens’ doorstep a predictable reality. It is reminiscent of how the Brussels bureaucrats ginned up the *Climate Threat,* establishing benchmark repressions associated w/ energy use, restricting what kind of energy the bloc would support, tightening regulations left & right and, importantly, funneling public monies into a massive slush fund from which the individual member states could withdraw cash.
The *Climate Threat* gave the Brussels bureaucrats a cause celebre, quite literally, for glitzy gatherings in ritzy locales like Aspen and snow-job summits at the snowy summit in Davos. The tough thing about the *Climate Threat*, however, is that it aged itself out: the dire event they predicted in 15 years, for instance, had not come close to happening 15 years later. So how could they continue to fill their slush fund w/ more emergency cash-? The longer the Brussels bureaucrats tried to fabricate *this* apocalyptic crisis, the longer they had to keep backtracking, because nothing like *that* apocalypse was actually happening. Skepticism became a disruptor.
With the *Russian Threat,* they have devised a crisis and dark spectre that is neither time-bound nor science-dependent. How do they know VVP has evil revanchist intent-? Because his territorial ambitions are in plain sight: witness what he’s doing to Ukraine. They can point to Bucha. They can point to the bombing of a pediatric oncology hospital in Kiev. They can point to kidnapped Ukrainian children. VVP’s territorial goals *beyond* Ukraine give them a casus belli to bang the war drums in perpetuity.
Where the *Climate Threat* was more abstract, and maybe not as lucrative, the *Russian Threat* provides them w/ a scarier immediacy, a nefarious danger lurking in their own neighborhood. They can *sell* the idea that Russians are setting fire to factories in Germany or that Russian ships are sabotaging cables in the Baltic Sea, and they can rake in the public funds hand over fist in ways the *Climate Threat* never allowed.
The *Russian Threat* creates an urgency that unloosens the purse strings. It has a hair-on-fire ka-ching factor.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 30 2025 3:18 utc | 94

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 30 2025 3:18 utc | 95
Your posts are always way too long and you use silly trendy words and meams too much. My recommendation to you is to reduce the length of your posts and reduce your use of trendy word salads.

Posted by: Spectator | Mar 30 2025 3:35 utc | 95

@: t | Mar 29 2025 21:51 utc | 63
Thanks for that.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 30 2025 3:36 utc | 96

“Nobody’s denying that the climate isn’t always changing, we simply point out that humans have nothing to do with it.”
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Mar 30 2025 2:16 utc | 87
Meanwhile the greater proportion of scientists on this planet disagree with you, and if you look at all greenhouse gas emissions (including CO2, CH4, SF6, and N2O) as monitored at places like Moana Loa you’ll find none of them have lowered in the least and all graphs are actually now J curves. That cannot be explained by natural phenomena, but only through the huge amounts of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere from industry, heating and cooling, transport, nitrogenous fertiliser over use, overproduction of bovine animals for meat and dairy products, and synthetic gas emitted by industrial production.
I suspect you have no scientific qualification in advanced physics or chemistry to conclude what you say, and while you supply absolutely no evidence to validate what you suggest, you deny the huge amount of evidence out there (which you have probably never read, and could possibly not even understand) that makes this no longer a hypothesis or theory but a reality the world is currently experiencing which will no doubt get far worse in the future. While scientists have been forced to produce peer reviewed evidence on mass for many years now, people like yourself think it is just a matter of denying their research and saying human induced climate change is fake without producing a scrap of evidence to support your claim.
On the other hand I cannot blame you for your opinion because of the great weight of false information that parades in the media these days in denial of what is clearly happening and the mass of counterfactual nonsense that is spread by those who not only profit in the oil and gas industries, but also have the ear of many of our politicians. It runs contrary to consumerist capitalism and neoliberalism which are the philosophies that currently drive much of this planet. I also think there is so much false information including pushing fear buttons on this issue in MSM that people have lost faith in anything it says and are therefore easily susceptible to any kind of conspiracy theory that floats around on social media and the various search engines. I would also add that since profits have been found to exist within green technologies that some of those involved are now more interested in easy money than actually showing any concern for the green technologies they push.

Posted by: George | Mar 30 2025 3:36 utc | 97

this ongoing climate change topic is best left for the open threads, as opposed to swamping a thread titled “Some Media Still Claim A Putin-Trump Alliance Even As There Is None”
they are endless and always rear their ugly head here at moa.. they never resolve.. they are testament to many people’s inability to entertain 2 opposing ideas at the same time..
thanks..

Posted by: james | Mar 30 2025 3:47 utc | 98

Posted by: George | Mar 30 2025 3:36 utc | 98
People who are ideological libertarians deny the reality of anthropogenic climate change. That is the reality.

Posted by: Spectator | Mar 30 2025 3:48 utc | 99

Posted by: George | Mar 30 2025 3:36 utc | 98
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Arguing that a position is correct because it is popular is a logical fallacy.
An argument is either correct or not. It doesn’t matter who or how many people agree. It doesn’t matter which people believe. Many cohorts, like scientists and politicians, are not brave and tend to groupthink because it is safer to adopt the opinions of the group rather than making a principled stand for an uncomfortable truth.
People have to do the hard work of arguing better such that they don’t have to rely on rhetorical tricks or fallacies.
And if a stronger argument is absent, be willing to admit that the point is up for contention.
I don’t have a dog in this argument. I am quite sure that what I think causes climactic change won’t affect the climate, and so, like millions of other topics over which I have no control or impact, I choose not to invest energy into this debate.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 30 2025 3:52 utc | 100