Russigate's Role In Trump-Putin Relations
Only when one reads multiple accounts on an issue one will find the morsels which reveal underlying issues and motives.
Of current interests are the psychological factors in the negotiations between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. That is why I read pieces like this:
Trump on Putin: ‘I don’t think he’s going to go back on his word’ - Politico, Mar 30 2025
President Donald Trump said Sunday he basically trusts Russian President Vladimir Putin to do the right thing as he attempts to hash out a peace deal in the Russia-Ukraine war.Speaking to reporters on Air Force One, Trump said of Putin: “I don’t think he’s going to go back on his word. You’re talking about Putin. I don’t think he’s going to go back on his word. I’ve known him for a long time. We’ve always gotten along well.”
Trump’s words seemed to be a softening of his language earlier Sunday.
Saying he was “pissed off,” Trump had been critical of Putin in an interview with Kristen Welker of NBC. “If Russia and I are unable to make a deal on stopping the bloodshed in Ukraine, and if I think it was Russia’s fault — which it might not be — but if I think it was Russia’s fault, I am going to put secondary tariffs on oil, on all oil coming out of Russia,” Trump said.
Previously I had read an ABCnews take that was a bit more extensive:
President Donald Trump on Sunday hinted at his apparent frustration with the lack of progress toward a peace deal in Ukraine, telling NBC News he was "very angry" at Putin after the Russian leader again criticized Zelenskyy and called for his removal in favor of a transitional government.Trump added that he would consider applying new sanctions on Russia's lucrative oil exports and on any nations purchasing its oil. China and India are among the most significant customers for Russian oil products.
The president later told reporters on Air Force One that his administration was making significant progress toward ending the war. Asked about his relationship with Putin, Trump responded, "I don't think he's going to go back on his word."
"I've known him for a long time," Trump said. "We've always gotten along well despite the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax."
Trump had previously allured to the Russiagate hoax when talking about Putin. He seems to see Putin as a victim of the scam just like he himself was a victim of it. I believe this to be, at least in Trump's eyes, an issue that bonds the two men together. It is what makes a deal possible. It is important - so I wonder why Politico would leave it out.
The AP report of the Air Force One gaggle also has no mention of it:
On his flight back to Washington on Sunday evening, Trump reiterated his annoyance toward Putin but somewhat softened his tone.“I don’t think he’s going to go back on his word,” he said. “I’ve known him for a long time. We’ve always gotten along well.”
Asked when he wanted Russia to agree to a ceasefire, Trump said there was a “psychological deadline.”
“If I think they’re tapping us along, I will not be happy about it,” he said.
When reports disagree on what was said or happened it is always good to back to the source. Forbes has put up a full video of Sunday's Air Force One gaggle. Here is my transcript of the relevant part (starting at 6:38 min):
Q: Would you say your relationship with Vladimir Putin is at its lowest point right now?A: No, I don't think so. I don't think he going back on his word. You are talking about Putin. I don't think he is going back on his word. I have known him for a long time. We have always gotten along well. Despite the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax created by Clinton and Schiff and all these lunatics. And that really was a dangerous point. That was a very dangerous thing they did to this country. It was a pure, unadulterated scam, hoax. No, but I think he will be okay. Be if he isn't ...
I was disappointed in a certain way in some of the things he said over the last day or two having to do with Zelenski. Because he considers Zelenski not credible. He is supposed to make a deal with him whether you like him or don't like him. So I wasn't happy with that. But I think he is gonna be good. ...
It is not only that Trump sees himself and Putin as victims of the Russiagate story. He does regard it as having been dangerous. To make (false) claims about political interference by another nuclear power needlessly could have led, and still could lead, to more serious altercations.
I find it interesting that Trump is thinking in these terms. He knows and fears what a real clash with Russia could lead to.
Why won't the media relay that?
Posted by b on March 31, 2025 at 15:20 UTC | Permalink
The Biden Administration was insane: “US Military & C.I.A. officers in Wiesbaden helped plan & support a campaign of Ukrainian strikes in Russian-annexed Crimea. Finally, the military & then the C.I.A. received the green light to enable pinpoint strikes deep inside Russia itself.” (nytimes.com 3/30/25
https://jamesburrillangell.substack.com/p/strange-diplomacy-victoria-fck-the
Putin will have to sign interim agreements with Zelensky if he wants to resolve this thing.
As part of those agreements could be mandatory calls for new Free and Fair Elections in Ukraine after which a comprehensive peace agreement could be signed - these could all be time limited and prescribed as part of the interim agreements signed by Zelensky, Putin & Trump. .
Posted by: Julian | Mar 31 2025 15:35 utc | 3
"Posted by: Julian | Mar 31 2025 15:35 utc | 3
Putin will have to sign interim agreements with Zelensky if he wants to resolve this thing."
"If he wants ..."
Time will tell exactly how much "he wants." I suspect he is in no hurry.
Posted by: Mary | Mar 31 2025 15:39 utc | 4
@Julian | Mar 31 2025 15:35 utc | 3
Putin will have to sign interim agreements with Zelensky if he wants to resolve this thing.One of these days we are going to wake up to the "sudden" news that Zelensky has been suicided by his Nazi friends or has fled the scene.
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 31 2025 15:43 utc | 5
I see that several media are saying the negotiations are talking about versions of my idea for Russia to sell its oil and gas to the USA by building a pipeline under the sea to America and from there to the USA strategic reserves and from there to USA refineries and from there sell it to Europe.
I think this is the only deal that will fly for the long run.. it allows Europe and Ukraine to continue their war against Russia and it allows the USA to sell its weapons to Europe and it makes Europe and Ukraine pay for it all. Further it weakens in some regards Russian interest in supporting Iran and China..It also lets Trump off the hook as to stopping the war in Ukaine.
Posted by: snake | Mar 31 2025 15:50 utc | 6
There is no pin the tail on the donkey solution where Trump can smear Putin and come off looking like a winner.
Expect the squirming to intensify until something gives.
Posted by: too scents | Mar 31 2025 15:50 utc | 7
It's certain that Trumph will change his mind overnight and deny having said anything the day after...
How one can negotiate with such a fickle personality, and whether one can negotiate at all, remains to be seen.
A character like Trumph will only accept a certain outcome if he believes he has duped his counterpart.
Posted by: berthold | Mar 31 2025 15:55 utc | 8
@Norwegian | Mar 31 2025 15:43 utc | 5
One of these days we are going to wake up to the "sudden" news that Zelensky has been suicided by his Nazi friends or has fled the scene.
Glenn Diesen:
Colonel Douglas Macgregor: Zelensky Will Be Gone and NATO Will Fall Apart
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 31 2025 15:58 utc | 9
Not a bad comment by trump,Putin must sign with Z if something is to be signed soon.
Reasonable and logic. Trump had complained pretty much on the same page when Z said “not with Putin”
But main point, the Easter/may deadline seems still in order (never changed) and whoever is not well in the photo-op might pay a steep price (regardless of preferences )
Putin will have to play the next 4 weeks very carefully , the media will try to prove him guilty , but the only judge will be trump.
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 31 2025 16:00 utc | 10
Today day 71, captain DJT continues sailing his Titanic. He's been already ambushed by many including those inside the White House. He cannot reach an agreement on anything, just signing execution orders that will lead to nowhere and his colossal adventure and failures shall become apparent soon.
Posted by: pepe | Mar 31 2025 16:00 utc | 11
Posted by: snake | Mar 31 2025 15:50 utc | 6
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And you're convinced that the EU will agree to that?
Posted by: pepe | Mar 31 2025 16:02 utc | 12
thanks b...
but, trump is pushing for the validity of making an agreement with zelensky and putin is clear that zelensky is not legitimate here... until trump acknowledges putins position, trump is missing the bigger picture here... my question - is this intentional on trumps part?
Posted by: james | Mar 31 2025 16:03 utc | 13
The campaign against Russia has been a long time in the making. Probably started after Pres Putin's famous Munich 2007 speech. Maybe before, but that certainly spurred the hatred along. Part of it was the utterly improbable Skripal poisoning scam in Salisbury UK. The MI6 has been the bartender of the poison drink being fed into western minds but the US gas been the chairperson behind it all. Each successive govt across the West has been suborned into going along with the programme with no exceptions being brooked. That's why Corbyn wasn't allowed to win in the amongst his other traits of non compliance. Now LePen has also just been canned.
Now its all come to a crescendo in Ukraine and its all fallen flat. What to do?...Keep plodding along in the same direction, eyes and ears cupped and blinded to all outside input. Piratical zealots who have spent the wealth of at least 5 future generations of their own peoples and were hoping to feed fat on the flesh and bones of Russia. They will take humanity to the brink of extinction as they have no other option especially the Europeans. The US is all about protecting the dollar by any means possible.
Trump is the dummy who also played along with the long term plan. His reason for coming back, to my mind is solely because he believes he was scammed out in 2020 so POTUS 47 is all about vengeance. He may get it but how can he really, surrounded by agents of the same people who hobbled his first administration. Unfortunately Trump isnt smart enough to see the fiends all around him nor outsmart them. Im tending to believe now that he WAS allowed back and they did so to get him to do the nasty work no one wants on their legacy. Steal Greenland, leverage its resources against the soon to be $40T debt and break up the EU. They can then taint him with the very agenda they are plying him with. Losing to Russia in Ukraine is an L they can take..for now. They will wait for Putin to leave. Unfortunately, the man cant live forever.
Posted by: DaVinci | Mar 31 2025 16:04 utc | 14
Putin will have to play the next 4 weeks very carefully , the media will try to prove him guilty , but the only judge will be trump.
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 31 2025 16:00 utc | 10
Which automatically raises the question...
Does Putin care, do the Russian people care?
Do the hardliners in and around the Kremlin care about what Trump thinks?
In order to scare one side, one side must allow themselves to be scared.
Only a big mouth has never created a winner, Trump knows that too, and he's truly caught between a rock and a hard place. He doesn't want to lose face, but his biggest concern will be at home in the States, where his real enemies are lurking!
So saving face is even extrinsic to him... and Putin was very clever, always giving Trump the feeling "he just ripped Putin off," and Putin didn't notice... meanwhile, so far, Trump has always jumped wherever Putin wanted him to go, or almost always.
But as I said, Putin also has his limits; for him, a victory is perhaps even more important and extrinsic than Trump's face in the USA, BUT ESPECIALLY IN THE WORLD.
Putin only needs to save face in Russia; Trump MUST do so in front of ALL his enemies in his own country and, even more importantly, in the world.
Putin can destroy Trump overnight...even if it's dangerous, but doable if Putin orchestrates it skillfully.
Whether the US would support him in plunging the US into a nuclear war...is doubtful...If the moment is right, there will be forces that will prevent it.
As I said, it's dangerous when things get serious, but Putin also has opponents in his own country waiting for him to make mistakes.
Posted by: Beobachter | Mar 31 2025 16:19 utc | 15
CullenBaker at #1 nails it. It's rare when the 1st poster covers the bases...good job by Jove.
Posted by: S Brennan | Mar 31 2025 16:44 utc | 16
Leaving aside the legitimacy and legal issues which have been raised in relation to Zelensky as a negotiating agent, there are very obvious (to the point of being obvious to a blind man on a galloping horse) practical realities why there is no possibility of Zelensky being a valid party to any agreement in this context.
To put the matter into Janet and John terms, Zelensky has no decision-making agency. He is a cipher. A middle manager carrying out decisions passed on to him by his MI6 handlers in London. Hence, the bombing of RF energy infrastructure, ordered from London with targeting and other associated intel data supplied by both the British and the French, deliberately breaking the agreed energy infrastructure ceasefire agreement before the ink was on the paper.
Rather than whining like a mardy arsed five-year-old on that point, Trump needs to get a grip of the Europeans and the British pulling the Ukrainian strings. The problem is he has no leverage. He also has a third rate negotiating team.
Putin clearly understands these practical realities and doubtless anticipated them. Letting the fractured (in terms of practical strategic thinking and approaches) Collective West waste time while using that time to settle the outcome on the battlefield.
Posted by: Dave Hansell | Mar 31 2025 17:02 utc | 17
The entire West are just a bunch of headless chickens running about aimlessly because the West has absolutely ZERO leverage over Russia--and we see many headless chickens here at the bar. One of Primakov's strategies to utilize when appropriate is "Strategic Procrastination," and that's precisely what we're now seeing from Russia. As I argue in "When the Outlaw US Empire's War on Ukraine Negotiations Fail", which is backed by Alastair Crooke's "Transactional weakness tips the balance of power – ‘Hold to no illusions; there is nothing beyond this reality’" that he further explained in today's chat with Judge Napolitano, there's no way for negotiations to proceed as Zelensky won't capitulate and more important the Nazi cabal behind him in Kiev won't allow him. Plus, the EU elites will not lend any help as it needs a war to salvage their political positions/futures.
So, Russiagate has no bearing on what's happening except for one factor--Trump could be using the term Russiagate to point to the forces that constrain his ability to negotiate or otherwise order Ukraine to act: What keeps Trump from again pulling the 100% support plug? Putin already knows the answer. The Outlaw US Empire's behind the scenes ruling Oligarchy has more power than POTUS and thus Trump is triply frustrated since he cannot have his way.
It's pointless to remi=ove the links form my comment just so it can post. None of the links have ever been blocked before. Too bad for the bar.
I think it is wishful thinking that Putin could have got on well with Trump given the unstable and psychopathic regime the latter represented in term 1.
Russiagate has become an excuse for the civilizational divide.
Trump tried to bully in his first term, supplied Azov, sanctioned Russia.
Let's not whitewash Trump with Russiagate as an explanation.
Not to mix conflicts but it is the same man and regime promoting and advancing multiple genocides. Trump was never a good guy, just the latest embodiment of hope for a more sane and moral future. To date Trump has done nothing to pay off that hope. Lucy with the football. Voters across the West are very (dangerously?) predictable and TPTB know it well.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 31 2025 17:27 utc | 20
@ karlof1 | Mar 31 2025 17:12 utc | 18
i don't see why that would be happening karl... there is a link someone posted on this thread as well...
Posted by: james | Mar 31 2025 17:29 utc | 21
It's pointless to remi=ove the links form my comment just so it can post. None of the links have ever been blocked before. Too bad for the bar.
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 31 2025 17:12 utc | 18
Yes, what a shame!!!
Tip:
Put a # before and after each link and explain that the user must omit this # when copying.
One more tip: Don't overdo it with the links, even though I follow each of yours and wait for new ones in my emails every morning.
Why...well, only those who listen to many voices and opinions and read can form an opinion and recognize connections.
I read everything from Pravda to Japan, via Spiegel, Anti Spiegel, and a few other Telegram channels. I (still) have direct connections to the Donbas.
Posted by: berthold | Mar 31 2025 17:37 utc | 22
thanks b...
but, trump is pushing for the validity of making an agreement with Zelensky and Putin is clear that Zelensky is not legitimate here... until trump acknowledges Putin's position, trump is missing the bigger picture here... my question - is this intentional on Trump's part?
Posted by: james | Mar 31 2025 16:03 utc | 13
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Naivete, I think.
He is a bully who thinks he can ignore all rules and make up his own. He assumes that Putin is equally capable, IMHO.
It is going to take at least a 2 by 4 to get Trump to understand that there is no legally binding authority left in Ukraine. International law is the item and the US, WH, NYT, etc. included need to get up to speed on that one.
karlof1 has gone to great lengths to make a list of many of the legal issues to be addressed (as you know) and Trump et. al. are having none of it. Worthy of a through read.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 31 2025 17:39 utc | 23
"President Donald Trump said Sunday he basically trusts Russian President Vladimir Putin to do the right thing as he attempts to hash out a peace deal in the Russia-Ukraine war"
This is one of the many times when Trump speaks about a something masked as something else. Putin has always said he wants to negotiate but the 'murican public, and Natostani public, don't know that, MSM inverted the subject. Trump knows that no one knows and makes it sound like Putin promised him he'll negotiate because he spanked him real hard when he forced him to ceasefire and shoot down his own drones. Another false thing implied is that everyone wants a Black Sea ceasefire but not evil Putin. There is no mention of RF demands to have the grain deal bank reconnected to swift and so on. If Putin ceasefires again in the Black Sea to get Swift back for a single bank is hard to say but probable. Adding the daily numbers on Tass there are tens of thousands Russians without energy and a lot of stuff blown up for no reason. Maybe it's their new normal, I'd suggest they move to Ukr where there are zero problems and a perfectly working infrastructure and energy system. Black Sea ceasefire can also make Erdo say the war has ended and open the gates for US and other ships, it'll be a party.
Posted by: rk | Mar 31 2025 17:43 utc | 24
Posted by: pepe | Mar 31 2025 16:02 utc | 12
And you're convinced that the EU will agree to that?
<=that's the best part Europe does not have to agree.. and it will be very costly for Europe to continue its support for Ukraine or its war with Russia.. under those circumstances. further the deal itself will help
curb inflation everywhere except inside the waring counties.
in fact the best outcome for the USA and Russia would that Europe disagrees and continues it war against Russia. .. where else can Europe get its energy?
The same companies that own the Levante Reserve oil and gas own the refineries in the USa and Israel and no one is going to bomb them.. ..
Posted by: snake | Mar 31 2025 17:47 utc | 25
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 31 2025 17:39 utc | 22
Now Trump wants a deal with Sylenski!
The whole world is discussing that this deal is invalid BEFORE it's signed.
That Trump knows this, must have known this, but still wants to conclude it... which Trump himself criticizes as a contractual partner: a contractual partner who knowingly concludes contracts with partners who are not legally allowed to do so is himself a fraud.
That's how the law worldwide seems to see it...
Because Trump can't later claim he was "of the opinion." No, he did it knowingly.
Now Putin isn't backing down, destroying Trump's "great" success, the nonsense that Ukraine would have received $500 billion, which the entire business world is already laughing about anyway, it was a maximum of $139 billion.
But as I said, the narcissist Trump has slipped up. Putin is telling him quite clearly, STOP IT, HE'S NOT LEGITIMATE.
That's the reason... In his eyes, Putin is ruining a big deal for him and thus the opportunity to score points at home in front of the Senate with $500 billion.
Posted by: berthold | Mar 31 2025 17:53 utc | 26
Posted by: snake | Mar 31 2025 17:47 utc | 24
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Iran may.
America has been blackmailing the world with nukes since they "demonstrated" their weapons on Japan.
Iran has the means to reset the Global economy in an afternoon. For the same reason that they do not want nukes they will not do so.
Moral conviction is an alien idea to Westerners.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 31 2025 17:57 utc | 27
Something a little different
🇱🇹Lithuania:
Three American soldiers were found dead in an armored personnel carrier that disappeared into a swamp at a training ground during an exercise.
The search for the fourth Pendos continues.
On March 25, an armored personnel carrier with four soldiers on board disappeared in Lithuania. It turned out they had fallen into a swamp up to five meters deep. Complex rescue operations were carried out on site for several days, after which they managed to reach the sunken armored vehicle and attach cables to it, allowing it to be pulled to the surface with the help of bulldozers.
I have translated the text under the picture above
Posted by: berthold | Mar 31 2025 18:03 utc | 28
[email protected] has no say in the matter, he's reduced to killing Ukrainians and that's about all he can do, and only in the Ukraine not much else.....not seeing evidence of such outside of 404. Definitely unable to contain the controllers. I view Tiny Dancer as a belligerent that should have been dealt a battlefield accident by Russia long ago....but appeasement and restraint will bring my prediction to fruition as it is heading that way ....Trump will make Putin waltz with Tiny Dancer, like it or not.....
Cheers M
....saddle up kids, ya's gotta dance with the one that brung ya's.....
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 31 2025 18:03 utc | 29
Report on US soldiers in Lithuania
.
Background: An American ARV carrying four soldiers sank in a swamp in Lithuania, but only three bodies were found.
Now, an interesting coincidence (or not?) from Belarusian customs officials: At Molodechno station, Minsk customs officials found a 27-year-old US citizen (!) in one of the empty cars of a train traveling from Lithuania (!).
He is currently under arrest and under investigation.
Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 31 2025 18:09 utc | 30
"Pissed off with Putin.
Did I say that?
I can't believe I said that."
End of story.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Mar 31 2025 19:13 utc | 31
"Only when one reads multiple accounts on an issue will one find the morsels which reveal underlying issues and motives..."
So true. And where better than here. Many thanks.
Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 31 2025 19:46 utc | 32
@ Acco Hengst | Mar 31 2025 17:39 utc | 22
thanks acco... not sure if it is naivete... maybe..trump is not a lawyer - putin has this type of background.. trump is a sales person.. russia has had plenty of experience signing papers - minsk and etc - with the west, only to see it as a fruitless exercise..
@ sean the leprechaun | Mar 31 2025 18:03 utc | 28
thanks sean.. i don't see it the same as you. and i believe it would be useless to have taken out z - still is.. he is just an actor, following thru on orders from who - i know not exactly.. i think you underestimate putin and russia here... we will have to wait and see..
Posted by: james | Mar 31 2025 19:51 utc | 33
Julian @ 3:
There's no need for any so-called interim agreements between Moscow and Kiev. Russia has achieved most if not all its goals in the SMO and Ukraine is reduced to petulant actions and extending martial law so as to leach more money and weapons from the West. Zelensky has not been the legitimate leader of Ukraine for over six months now. Why would the Russians want to negotiate with an illegal regime in Kiev?
Plus with the way things are going for Ukraine, we should not be surprised if Zelensky is suddenly deposed and he flees to another country to live in exile, or he "disappears" and later turns up in a garden pushing up daisies.
Time is on the Russian side. The Russians can and are prepared to wait for a new govt in Kiev.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 31 2025 19:58 utc | 34
Following up with additional evidence to prove my "When the Outlaw US Empire's War on Ukraine Negotiations Fail" is "Lavrov, Crooke, Trump, and Typepad Woes". Included in the latter are links to the two major works of List and Witte barflies will want to freely download for reading later.
Politico = Axel-Springer = German Spiegel = "Elite of EU"- so it's the coordinated common European point of propaganda, not US
Posted by: smartfox | Mar 31 2025 20:02 utc | 36
Refinnejenna | Mar 31 2025 19:58 utc | 33--
Demilitarization is coming along but denazification still needs lots of work and will continue until 2026 if not later. Do heed what Putin said to the sub crew about Nazis lurking behind Zelensky and slowly taking over the government.
(Only quickly skimmed through the thread).
The US and its "diplomacy":
· Agreement incapable.
· Disregards international law and tries to replace it with whatever they fancy from one moment to the next.
· Incompetent above all else ("evil", scheming, lying, duplicitous, using petty inefficient tactics such as threats and bullying etc. and more are all in no way excluded by the plain incompetence, rather they are symptoms of it).
What Trump and the US says or pretends to say simply does not matter at all. Much of what they do does not matter all that much either but sadly not everything.
Russia has a competent and efficient ministry of foreign affairs and the capacity to engage even something as low value as the US without adverse effects. They are not perfect but I'm convinced they keep a set amount of their people sharp on the whole "US" topic even if/when the US isn't engaged (like during the last years).
"Relations" with the US is almost only a joke but we'll see if the Russians manage to get far enough through the incredibly thick skulls of the US idiots to fully establish previous diplomatic relations. But it will still at such a point remain highly volatile.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Mar 31 2025 20:12 utc | 38
"Only when one reads multiple accounts on an issue one will find the morsels which reveal underlying issues and motives."
Apparently our host didn't apply this to the lockdowns.
Posted by: williams | Mar 31 2025 20:15 utc | 39
654 / 5.000
To all those talking about an agreement between Putin and Z: it's not possible. Not because Z isn't legitimate, but because he can't make decisions, even if he wanted to. The decisions and detailed control are made in London. Moreover, the fascists in Kyiv are too strong, both in terms of personnel and military strength. Trump must recognize this, which he fails to do because he is receiving false information. There are more people on his team who want to continue the war than those willing to compromise themselves.
This means that Putin has no alternatives; he must carry on with the war until Europe's victory or defeat.
Posted by: smartfox | Mar 31 2025 20:34 utc | 40
Putin will have to play the next 4 weeks very carefully , the media will try to prove him guilty , but the only judge will be trump.
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 31 2025 16:00 utc | 10
Will he now?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 31 2025 21:19 utc | 41
The topic of Judge Napolitano's chat with Ray McGovern today was denazification with heavy use of translated footage of what Putin said aboard the submarine. Ray then drives home the alliance between MI6 and the Ukie Nazis.
william 38… yep, appreciate this bar and the lively, open banter… also, I wonder if I can use the B word yet without being shadowbanned —- annoying having to cryptically substitute with satoshi, etc
Posted by: E | Mar 31 2025 21:31 utc | 43
Peer to peer electronic cash … with a heavy emphasis on peer for you fans of multipolarity!
Posted by: E | Mar 31 2025 21:37 utc | 44
Trump is likely making a show of being demanding with Putin for obvious reasons. What his real attitude is will become clear when his stupid deadline has passed and there is no agreement to even a ceasefire.
Yeah, he's kind of a dumbass surrounded by Zionazi nuts, but it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to see Ukraine is toast on the battlefield. His anger at Zelinsky was genuine from what I saw. This tough talk about Putin seems like a bone for the anti Russian power in the US and it's media tramps.
If he truly can't read the scoreboard and tries to use Ukronazis as a battering ram against Russia ala Biden, it won't take too long before he learns his lesson.
Again, his ability to wrap this debacle will be a referendum on his second term. If he makes it happen, he'll be seen as a good president. If he sinks into another Vietnam, he's done. This is particularly important because his make Israel great again attitude is not popular.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 31 2025 21:41 utc | 45
Now Trump wants a deal with Sylenski! The whole world is discussing that this deal is invalid BEFORE it's signed.
That Trump knows this, must have known this, but still wants to conclude it... which Trump himself criticizes as a contractual partner: a contractual partner who knowingly concludes contracts with partners who are not legally allowed to do so is himself a fraud.
That's the reason... In his eyes, Putin is ruining a big deal for him and thus the opportunity to score points at home in front of the Senate with $500 billion.
Posted by: berthold | Mar 31 2025 17:53 utc | 25
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Trump does what he can get away with, lying to himself and everyone else. That he shows respect for Putin is remarkable.
Null and void likely does not matter to him, unless MSM call him on it. I doubt that they will. Memes, propaganda, look at the Europeans, blustering all day long and the natives are buying it.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 31 2025 22:02 utc | 46
@SameShitDifferentDay | 46
The POTUS will be complete anathema for 24hrs. According to various Whitehouseologists here at the bar, he has no meaningful agency anyway.
Posted by: persiflo | Apr 1 2025 0:29 utc | 47
"RE Z The poor regard with which war planners and commanders hold the Russian military is based on advanced technology weaponry and a bigotry of Slavs in general. " I cannot imagine that Mr. Putin gives a moment of thought to Russiagate excert to laugh!
Posted by: lester | Apr 1 2025 0:41 utc | 48
Posted by: snake | Mar 31 2025 17:47 utc | 24
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The best outcome for the EU and the RUF is for the Americans to leave Europe and go back to the Outlaw US of A.
Posted by: pepe | Apr 1 2025 2:10 utc | 49
Posted by: berthold | Mar 31 2025 17:53 utc | 25
..."it was a maximum of $139 billion."
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Nope, it was $121B.
Posted by: pepe | Apr 1 2025 2:13 utc | 50
Does Putin care, do the Russian people care?
Posted by: Beobachter | Mar 31 2025 16:19 utc | 15
Trump is likely making a show of being demanding with Putin for obvious reasons.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 31 2025 21:41 utc | 44
Putin cares, he wants the fundamentals of victory and if he can do it saving trump's face he will.
Let narratives feed those that need them, the rest is what matters.
Posted by: Newbie | Apr 1 2025 2:16 utc | 51
The US continues to treat US taxpayers and Russian officials like subhuman garbage. Everyone knows Zelensky is merely a US puppet who's been showered with millions of US tax dollars. The US was ready to ship Zelensky out if he didn't follow US orders. Now people are supposed to forget all that and see Zelensky as "leader" of a non-existent country, ie Ukraine, which has been a US taxpayer funded Soros colony for 35 years. It's sickening that Trump says Putin "is supposed to make a deal" with Zelensky and implies the only possible reason Putin would have for not doing so would be "not liking him (Zelensky)."
Trump often claims that he's known Putin "for a long time." He may have met Putin twice "a long time ago" but that's the extent of it. In Aug. 2017 congress removed all Russia matters from Trump. Medvedev commented at the time that Trump had been totally humiliated and that obviously there would be no improvement in US-Russia relations during his term. US did allow chastened, powerless Trump to meet Putin in Helsinki in July 2018 and in 2019 on "sidelines" of G20 summit. According to Putin, he and Trump had no contact for the 4 yrs between Trump 1 and 2.
Trump in March 2025: "I was disappointed in a certain way in some of the things he said over the last day or two having to do with Zelenski. Because he considers Zelenski not credible. He is supposed to make a deal with him whether you like him or don't like him. So I wasn't happy with that."
Posted by: susan mullen | Apr 1 2025 2:26 utc | 52
Perhaps it was as simple as Putin stating the facts of Zelensky’s “legitimacy”, which is true, and which Zelensky himself has stated he needs Rada approval.
Overall, Zelensky is not a legal legitimate entity that can sign legal documents.
Which reflects on the illegitimacy of Trumps “mineral” and every other “deal” he’s forcing on Zelensky.
Putin just simply told the world, their illegal & illegitimate & US will never see a nickel, and that’s what Trumps ego is pissed about… his “deals” are as phony as he is.
Don’t think anymore to it than an ego bruise with Trump.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 1 2025 2:27 utc | 53
"Three American soldiers were found dead in an armored personnel carrier that disappeared into a swamp at a training ground during an exercise."
How long did it take Russia to dig that swamp?
Posted by: kupkee | Apr 1 2025 3:08 utc | 54
I DO NOT trust this at all.
Zelensky is NOT legit..any agreement signed can be later taken back under the cover of, well, it doesn't count because Zelensky is not legit
Trump is extremely mercurial and his Narcissism makes him a very unstable person to do business with
Russia will not get what it wants unless it does significantly more Trump ass kissing, which will mean giving up territory, putting up with Zelensky, EU, sabotage.
If Russia is so desperate for a bone toss from the US, that concessions means Russia betrays the people in the oblasts or Crimea, or it gives the US it's mineral reserves, it would be incredibly foolish.
That Putin, Russia trusts Trump or his incompetent Admin officials, tells me Russia is WEAK and desperate. And THAT is pathetic.
Posted by: Kay | Apr 1 2025 3:10 utc | 55
Hey now!
Once upon a time b said posters must stick with one username. Why can this guy who posts as both "berthold" and "Ost Rentner" get away with it?
Pick one username and stick to it.
Posted by: Spectator | Apr 1 2025 4:28 utc | 56
The legitimacy of Z comes down to whether you believe in the rules based order or international law based order.
For extra credit you get to guess which side is rules and which side is international law oriented.
For extra, extra credit you get to notice that the rules based folks are aligned with the global private finance folk that we never talk about all these other conflicts being proxy of......public/private = law/rules
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 1 2025 4:56 utc | 57
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 1 2025 4:56 utc | 59
"For extra, extra credit you get to notice that the rules based folks are aligned with the global private finance folk that we never talk about all these other conflicts being proxy of......public/private = law/rules"
I get it. You can't see the forest for the trees
Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Apr 1 2025 5:27 utc | 58
osted by: berthold | Mar 31 2025 17:53 utc | 25
..."it was a maximum of $139 billion."
>>>>
Nope, it was $121B.
Posted by: pepe | Apr 1 2025 2:13 utc | 50
Hey, bean counter!
We're only talking about numbers that have been semi-publicized anyway.
1 billion more or less, who cares about that in the bottomless pit of Ukraine?
But as I said, the 121 you mentioned could actually be 200 in the US, no one really wants to know. That would make it possible to calculate how corrupt the US itself is.
Posted by: berthold | Apr 1 2025 6:26 utc | 59
Hey now!
Once upon a time b said posters must stick with one username. Why can this guy who posts as both "berthold" and "Ost Rentner" get away with it?
Pick one username and stick to it.
Posted by: Spectator | Apr 1 2025 4:28 utc | 57
Because simpletons like you don't understand it anyway; their IQ isn't high enough for it.
Start thinking and don't immediately assume something criminal. For you, that would be "assuming others of what you do yourself."
How do I know that you're accusing me of exactly what you do yourself?
Right, I've been reading here for about three years, but the name "Spectator" has NEVER occurred to me or anyone else.
Or was that your first comment here? You "smarty" don't even have the courage to write such garbage with your everyday nickname.
About US
Bertholt and East German pensioners share a WiFi!
Why? Because an internet connection in Germany costs over €45.00 a month these days, but neither of us, as pensioners, has a €1,000 monthly pension.
But simply because of our past under communism, we had the same experiences and at least know Russia, so we don't know what mentality we're talking about in what HUGE country (DO YOU TOO?). You're babbling about a subject you know absolutely nothing about and are cheating with exactly what you accuse others of.
Whether (B), as a German, knows what I'm writing (prices/pensions) I'll have to wait and see.
As a saying goes in Germany:
"First smell where WE East Germans have already shit."
Posted by: berthold | Apr 1 2025 6:43 utc | 60
Posted by: berthold | Apr 1 2025 6:26 utc | 61
>>>
Your WIFI is very pricey.
Have a laugh...
Over the weekend, White House spokeswoman Anna Kelly said, “taxpayers do not want to spend $50 million per year on a publicly-funded ‘research institute’ [USIP] that has failed to deliver peace.”
“President Trump ended the era of forever wars and established peace in his first term, and he is carrying out his mandate to eliminate bloat and save taxpayer dollars,” she added.
Today, DODGE found out USIP's corruption including offices in the Ukraine, the Philippines and sub-Saharan Africa and the billion $$ of embezzlement soon will come to light after senior employees wiped out terabytes of sensitive data.
The US of A can never be trusted.
Posted by: pepe | Apr 1 2025 7:14 utc | 61
Posted by: pepe | Apr 1 2025 7:14 utc | 63
WiFi is expensive...
I'm not joking, and I'm not joking.
For €45 a month in Germany, you only get a 100,000 connection, and due to cable technology, an almost fixed IP...
meaning that restarting the router won't change the IP anymore, which some people here also use to switch between nicknames. (B) can therefore hardly block these users, and this is being exploited, as we've seen with various trolls.
By the way, it was just announced (Vodafone/1&1) that they would increase internet connection prices (due to the general increase in energy prices). Yes, the dispute with Trumph is having an impact on the gas market; servers are real energy guzzlers.
That's the last thing on the topic, and that's it for me. Just the stupid remark from Spectator, who apparently changes his name as needed and can probably do it; he always gets a new IP when he restarts his router, and B can't verify it.
Posted by: berthold | Apr 1 2025 7:30 utc | 62
"Just the stupid remark from Spectator, who apparently changes his name as needed and can probably do it; he always gets a new IP when he restarts his router, and B can't verify it."
Posted by: berthold | Apr 1 2025 7:30 utc | 64
Like you forcefuuly told me in a post above, "don't immediately assume something criminal". You should be able to use one username no matter how many internet connections you use. I am really only saying this because you are the only one I see here who often and openly uses two different usernames. You don't hide it, therefore I wouldn't accuse either one of your handles of being a "sockpuppet". But I just think it is unnecessary to use two usernames. And b has banned other people for doing so, although those posters were real sockpuppets, pretending to be different people.
Posted by: Spectator | Apr 1 2025 7:51 utc | 63
I am really only saying this because you are the only one I see here who often and openly uses two different usernames. You don't hide it, therefore I wouldn't accuse either one of your handles of being a "sockpuppet". But I just think it is unnecessary to use two usernames. And b has banned other people for doing so, although those posters were real sockpuppets, pretending to be different people.
Posted by: Spectator | Apr 1 2025 7:51 utc | 65
Yes, REALLY OPEN.
But still, there are two different people behind each post.
We're not the youngest anymore...74 and 71 years old, so we're not very good with English; we were NEVER taught it.
But we both speak fluent Russian and some Russian dialects, Polish, and I speak Romanian, and Walter also Spanish.
So we mainly use Google Translate here to translate our German into English, or to translate Russian into English for YOU.
We were both in Russia for many years, both involved in the construction of the Pipliene (called a street in eastern Germany). Walter was a master steelworker, and I was a welder. Before that, I was an observation officer for the GDR NVA in Russia for about four years, so I was in several bases from Transnistria to Novosibirsk.
But as I said...an IP with two people behind it. It would be easy to hide it...but some people here are doing it, judging by the writing style. There seems to be a bit of a lull in the trolls at the moment...and when they are there, it's more like Anonymous, whose posts always begin with
"Not a good day for Russia" (=
P.S.
By the way...we both still have active contacts in eastern Ukraine and another one in Lviv.
His descriptions differ quite a bit from the reports.
Posted by: Ost Rentner | Apr 1 2025 9:36 utc | 65
Two majors
As expected, the Russian Ministry of Defense again reports: "
In the last 24 hours, Ukrainian armed forces have attacked Russian energy infrastructure facilities twice."
▪️On March 31, at 10:08 a.m., a Ukrainian drone attack (at least four ammunition drops) on a 35 kV substation in Novogoryevka (Tavria-Energo State Unitary Enterprise) in the Zaporizhzhia region disrupted electricity supplies to private households in two settlements in the Tokmakovsky district.
▪️Also at 11:38 a.m., a 10 kV high-voltage power line was disrupted in the Belgorod region as a result of a Ukrainian drone attack on an entire substation in the village of Smorodino, disrupting electricity supplies to more than 1,200 households in the Grayvoronsky district.
Thus, despite its public expressions of support for Russian-American agreements on a phased settlement of the Ukraine conflict, the Kyiv regime continues to carry out unilateral attacks on Russian energy facilities on a daily basis.
✨There is a tedious daily record of violations by the Ukrainian side. This could continue for years. The period of shelling of the Donetsk People's Republic from 2014 to 2022 is proof of this. Appeals to the international community have been fruitless.
Instead, a terrible monument to agreements like the Minsk one has been built: the Avenue of Angels.
Two majors
45.7k views
11:20
My comment.
Since we have direct contacts with St. Petersburg, we know that the mood among the population is increasingly moving toward "When will we strike back?"
Posted by: berthold | Apr 1 2025 9:44 utc | 66
@ Ost Rentner | Apr 1 2025 9:36 utc
By the way...we both still have active contacts in eastern Ukraine and another one in Lviv.
His descriptions differ quite a bit from the reports.
@ berthold | Apr 1 2025 9:44 utc
Since we have direct contacts with St. Petersburg, we know that the mood among the population is increasingly moving toward "When will we strike back?"
Please, tell more. What your contact finds different from the reports? Personal stories are valuable in such a opaque situation.
Posted by: scanalyse | Apr 1 2025 9:51 utc | 67
Please, tell more. What your contact finds different from the reports? Personal stories are valuable in such a opaque situation.
Posted by: scanalyse | Apr 1 2025 9:51 utc | 69
To sum it up:
Reports from the EU, reports from around Trump.
The Russians in Russia are absolutely NOT interested....
They don't care!
It sounds strange, but the Russians don't give a damn about the West, the slogans, the threats from the West.
And the wish that has already been OPENLY broadcast on TV by people close to the Kremlin:
They'll show the EU what's what, and, for example, flatten Warsaw. If they (the EU) don't want to get it, then so be it.
The USA will be wary of exchanging New York or Boston for Warsaw or Paris/London.
Conclusion: They want to see it over. Over means defeated.
Our friend's impression: The pressure is increasing from below.
We're hundreds of kilometers away, and to judge the atmosphere, the mood, you have to be there, listening in bars, supermarkets, etc.
That's why it's difficult to give an assessment here.
Posted by: Ost Rentner | Apr 1 2025 10:06 utc | 68
we know that the mood among the population is increasingly moving toward "When will we strike back?"
Posted by: berthold | Apr 1 2025 9:44 utc | 68
If history is any guide, as long as Putin remains President - Never!
Putin is a joke as President. Zelensky has more balls than him and the entire Russian political / military leadership put together (and he's only a comedy actor.) Negotiating with Trump now proves beyond doubt Putin is weak and chronically indecisive. He has never had a long term plan nor strategy to achieve it.
Putin the Prevaricator is not, and has never been, an effective war time Commander in Chief or President.
Posted by: Peru | Apr 1 2025 10:13 utc | 70
If history is any guide, nafotards and concern trolls like yourself or guest from franconia (or is that you?) will be proven wrong again and again.
Posted by: 5thcolumn | Apr 1 2025 10:22 utc | 69
Thank you, Ost. Apr 1 2025 10:06 utc
It is dangerous to be anti-government in a country at war. But, people whisper.
Judging from my country, what our officials and media are preaching, here we are all anti-Russia, ready to march on Moscow today.
But, among friends, I can't find a single one who thinks we must to fight Putin for freedom and democracy. Many see the enemies of democracy and our freedom (shall I say) a tad closer to home.
Posted by: scanalyse | Apr 1 2025 11:06 utc | 70
Russia trusts nobody. They know the Blob is just waiting Trump out. 4 years 'til they start up again, sooner if he dies.
So they'll have to make Ukraine collapse completely, in the end. They won't sign an agreement based on trust.
Posted by: seer | Apr 1 2025 11:39 utc | 71
Why won't the media tell the whole story? BECAUSE THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. Just like the mainstream media(FUNDED BY BIG PHARMA) still promote vaccines as safe and effective and 2020 was the most secure election ever.
Posted by: Fortuna | Apr 1 2025 11:51 utc | 72
"Why won't the media relay that?"
This one is very easy to explain if you know the motivation of each element of the western/USA empire.
The published transcripts in MainStreaedia are aimed at manipulating the perception of western/USA people.
What do common folks know about this Trump speech? That he is "pissed off" at Putin and a lot of bad things (secondary sanctions) are coming against Russia.
In USA this makes Trump look strong.
In Europe this creates consent for more shooting in the feet: the secondary sanctions would dry the oil market in Europe, aggravating inflation and economic stagnation/recession in many countries that RELY ON INDIA AND CHINA to get Russian oil.
But then this MainStreamMedia called Forbes publishes the full video, where we can actually know what Trump really said.
Why? Also very simple.
Only a few of he common people (like we in Moon Of Alabama) will see it. The common folks won't bother to get the full information. They are happy with their ignorance and trust in the Fake News machine.
We, the well informed ones, are the minority, so the extra information we get won't change anything.
Who will also see the full video and analyse it thoroughly? Russia.
People at the Kremlin will look at the words about "Russia, Russia, Russia hoax" and that might facilitate talks between Trump and Putin.
Of course, Russoa no longer fall for this western/USA manipulation. Russia knows USA/Trump are just as aggressive imperialist, genocidal, and warmongering as any previous administration.
Russia will use it just to get some positive things out of the current negotiations, but Russia knows that what Trump/USA really want is a FULL CONTINUATION of aggression against China, Russia and Iran and their friends.
It's just that Biden/Blinken were doing it more directly against Russia, while the "change" in the White House opens the opportunity to "exit from Saigon" without so much humiliation, ORDER europe to continue the proxy war against Russia alone, and let USA focus on aggression/war against Iran and China.
So, yeah, this is the reason why MSN lied to common people, while Forbes publiched the whole thing.
This is how USA empire works: lies, lies, lies.
But thankfully no one else in the Russia+China+Iran+friends alliance falls for it.
So, whatevers propaganda/manipulation USA's controlled MSN publishes, it's only to keep the lie alive in the West and to do some damage control elsewhere, and obviously each administration also includes their own finishing touches just to try to improve their own image in relation to the "opposition" faction of the empire.
Know the nature of these monsters, and you always know what they are really doing and what their real motives and objectives are.
Never be fooled by their propaganda/manipulation ever again.
I will only celebrate peace when the conditions for real and long lasting peace exist: the White House, the Congress, the Pentagon, the CIA headquarters in Langley, Mi6 headquarters in London, NATO's headquarters in Brussels, Wall Street, Silicone Valley techno-fascist companies, and Mossad headquarters, are all burning to the ground.
As long as they are standing up, all the "peace" deals and "ceasefires" that these monsters sign are just lies to try to fool their enemies before more war, and opportunities to rest and re-arm between aggression cycles, i.e. after they fail their goals and before they try again.
This so called "western style freedom and democracy" is in fact a brutal genocidal regime comparable to Nazi Germany.
And the only reason why direct ear between super powers isn't happening YET is because of one thing called nuclear weapons and the means (ex: Sarmat) to deliver them to ANYWHERE on the planet.
That's why the techno-fascist oligarchy is so motivated to develop space tourism and colonialism on the Moon and Mars...
Have you seen the movie Elysium? That's their goal. Heaven for the "gods", hell for the cannon fodder.
Posted by: Carlos Marques | Apr 1 2025 12:15 utc | 73
re Peru | Apr 1 2025 4:40 utc | 57
Everybody's favorite NAFO bronyboy, whose latest Inka-rnation continues down that not-so-shining path, returns with tedious arguments in support of Cokehead's legitimacy as President of Ukronazistan.
As if it mattered! When Russia wins, Russia will decide who, if anyone, is entitled to sign terms of surrender.
Myself, I'd like everyone to consider the possibility that Putin's rejection of Cokehead's legitimacy might be, at least in part, an elaborate troll at the West's expense. After all, Western bobbleheads have consistently decried Russian elections as illegitimate (because fraudulent), and some of those bobbleheads have even gone so far as to declare the legitimate Russian president to be (or better, now, to have been) -- Alexei Navalny!
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 1 2025 13:04 utc | 74
[email protected] must the media tell 'the truth'? Why? Who's truth to whom......all media is licensed, by the government of the country they operate in. Simple stuff guys, if I own the paper or tv station I provide content and subjective entertainment.....that's it.....no one who owns and provides media content owes anyone here or elsewhere 'the truth'.....that's why you vote.......cue: Gonzalo Lira's laugh.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 1 2025 13:15 utc | 75
One consideration is that the quote from President Trump being upset with President Putin was reported by NBC news with no audio tape to verify what was actually said. So, nobody can verify what Trump actually said, how he said it, or the context in which he said it.
NBC is very anti-Trump, so I don't trust their reporting.
We do know exactly what was said during the AirForce 1 comments because it was taped and shown.
Posted by: Belle | Apr 1 2025 13:41 utc | 76
Putin is a joke as President. Zelensky has more balls than him and the entire Russian political / military leadership put together (and he's only a comedy actor.) Negotiating with Trump now proves beyond doubt Putin is weak and chronically indecisive. He has never had a long term plan nor strategy to achieve it.
Putin the Prevaricator is not, and has never been, an effective war time Commander in Chief or President.
Posted by: Peru | Apr 1 2025 10:13 utc | 70
I'm 76 but I've rarely read such a stupid comparison here in almost 3 years, not even during the worst troll times.
Are you one of those who think things aren't moving fast enough?
Stupid, yes, stupid comparison with Sylenski!
Sylenski has absolutely nothing, absolutely nothing. On the contrary, he's dumb as a post, otherwise he would have been suspicious of his election, like in the USA, England, and not least his already well-known Nazis, who patted him on the back and urged him to run for office.
And that's about it...
Sylenski has no opponents other than neighboring countries, doesn't have to juggle on the international stage, and takes NO consideration of the economy, let alone his cannon fodder, his people.
This figure only needs to look "good" and find flattering words for his donors (who are now more likely to be in the EU than the USA).
He has to be able to lie about the actual situation on the front lines, he has to ensure that his greatest enemies, the Nazis surrounding him, get their share and can ensure that they don't defeat him.
If Putin were as stupid as Sylenski...then, my friend, you too would no longer be sitting in the warmth and spouting nonsense. You would be running for your life and that of your children, with luck, deep underground!
Because YOU, being "smarter," would have happened long ago if Putin thought like Sylenski and his gang and allowed himself to be provoked.
So...
Take a moment to yourself, put yourself in the other person's shoes, with all their responsibility and pinpricks from every side, always being careful that so-called allies don't suddenly put their OWN interests first.
That means you have to be intelligent enough to bind THEM in some way.
If Sylenski could produce half the brainpower that Putin has to every day...then, you, so smart, this war would NEVER have happened.
Then the loser Sylenski would have managed to keep his false promises AGAINST all the Nazi forces around him, against the USA, against England.
And he would have gone down in history as a great statesman...
But as a very dead man!!
Posted by: berthold | Apr 1 2025 14:11 utc | 77
"Reasonable and logic. Trump -- Posted by: Newbie | Mar 31 2025 16:00 utc | 10"
I didn't know you could use these three words in the same sentence!
Posted by: lester | Apr 1 2025 16:40 utc | 78
Russiagate was all about the Democrats attempting to destroy the first Trump presidency, as everything else (that would not also show their own mass corruption and crimes) was not working. It wasn't about Russia specifically, that was just a tool with which to hamstring Trump.
Trump's actual policies were actually very negative for Russia, including sending anti-tank and other "lethal" weapons to Ukraine. Trump is not a peace maker, he has always been happy being a warmonger if necessary - including the murder of Soleimani. No one should be surprised by this. The reality is that a big chunk of the oligarchy have realized that Ukraine is lost and/or an unneeded distraction from engaging fully with China. Trump, as a member of the oligarchy, reflects that. Trump has also renewed aggression against Iran, Yemen, Syria (the US hands are all over the fall of Assad), Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua etc. Then of course we have the full on support for anything that Israel does, and anything that Israel needs (e.g. a silencing of the pro-Palestinian protestors in the US).
The Geopolitical Economy Report had his number eight months ago, when they described him as NOT a threat to the deep state in the video below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wwm4OiYY5M
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Apr 1 2025 16:50 utc | 79
For some reason, my original comment doesn't appear.
The concluding question is ambiguous. It could read either as "Why doesn't the media relay that Trump sees himself and Putin as fellow victims?" Or, "Why doesn't the media relay that Trump fears nuclear war with Russia?"
To the first, the media has no interest in digging up the past. Quite aside from those individuals and institutions that promoted Russiagate not wanting to embarrass themselves, some factions in the media have dutifully promoted that insinuations that outsiders are manipulating the country. In American history, the various Red Scares are prime examples. For those who think recent times are the only ones that are relevant, such things as Chinese contributions to the first Clinton campaign, the Mena airport/Whitewater story, email servers, Clinton Ca$h and Benghazi are exactly the same insinuations of TREASON! None of them are true, they are all right-wing swindles. (Russiagate was a mad attempt to criticize Trump from the right, no wonder it failed.) But the mass media never point that out, even if they offer competing swindles/superficial criticisms.
As to the second, patriots support their government and their country. They put America First. And acknowledging that America (and Americans) should be afraid is not patriotic.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Apr 1 2025 17:26 utc | 80
The reality is that a big chunk of the oligarchy have realized that Ukraine is lost and/or an unneeded distraction from engaging fully with China.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Apr 1 2025 16:50 utc | 81
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The objective is not to engage with China but rather to keep the 3rd world in the harness. China is merely a foil.
Also, CrowdStrike CRWD is a proxy for Russiagate. If Russiagate was real Trump would move aggressively against the CRWD principles, and his administration hasn't. CRWD is up over 5% YTD against a falling backdrop.
Posted by: too scents | Apr 1 2025 17:30 utc | 81
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Apr 1 2025 16:50 utc | 81 The brief review supporting the correct statement Trump was anti-Russian in his first term is useful. Good.
I don't think Russiagate had much, if anything at all, to do with the Democrats winning the 2018 congressional elections, so seeing it as somehow hamstringing the Trump presidency strikes me more as Trump apologetics than a useful contribution. (And yes, I still think references to the Deep State are always subsititutes for acknowledging that if there is a Deep State, it's the ruling class...which Trump is a member of.)
Posted by: steven t johnson | Apr 1 2025 18:00 utc | 82
How many in the USA *still* believe in the Russiagate hoax? How many Russians have evern heard of it
Posted by: lester | Apr 1 2025 19:36 utc | 83
How many in the USA *still* believe in the Russiagate hoax?
Posted by: lester | Apr 1 2025 19:36 utc | 85
_____
Just about every American who identifies as a Democrat.
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 1 2025 19:50 utc | 84
Politicians lie, generals lie, newspapers lie. The first casualty is always the truth. Expect this potboiler of a war to bubble over. Or explode?
Posted by: azeclecticdog | Apr 1 2025 21:32 utc | 85
@ Roger Boyd | Apr 1 2025 16:50 utc | 81
I would not underestimate the animosity that the oligarchy has for Russia as the successor to the Soviet Union. After all, there is the entire inertia of the Cold War continuing on. They think it's a shame to let all that anti-Soviet propaganda go to waste.
Then there is the real matter of complaint which they dare not utter: Russia's parity with the US in nuclear weapons, with each party having the complete ability to utterly destroy and end the other. Any mention of this threatens the US nuclear arsenal by encouraging demands for disarmament. And we see when Trump mentioned that the military budgets of the US, China, and Russia should each be cut by 50%, he received positive and supportive replies. The US oligarchy finds it intolerable that other countries have nuclear weapons, desiring a US monopoly there, but there is no way to that whatever, hence their frustration. Because of Russia's parity, they really hate on Russia, as they have since 1948, but they can do nothing about it.
The elite's bullheadedness gives a message to the rest of the world, "Countries of the world, get nuclear weapons as fast as you possibly can. Then you can be treated like China when it forced the US spy plane down over Hainan Island, instead of like Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Libya, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Nicaragua, etc." And should the US actually use a nuclear weapon on a non-nuclear state, the next day 60 or more countries would declare their acquisition of nuclear weapons likewise, including Canada and Mexico.
With Russia, the US had a theoretical, though not an actual, window of opportunity to disarm Russia during the Yeltsin presidency (1991-1999), but, even though they went right in to plunder the Russian economy and even buy up the Russian navy for disposal, they couldn't breathe a word about the nuclear weapons, for had they done so, the Russians, even Yeltsin, would have come right back and said, "Oh, yes, we would just love to get rid of all our nuclear weapons, and we will do it just as soon as you get rid of yours too." Had that come out, pressure for general nuclear disarmament would have increased, but the orcs inside the US oligarchy couldn't have that.
Today, what with all kinds of technological developments, especially in missiles, and with many more bases to cover with the proliferation of nuclear weapons, the possibility of the US returning to the "full spectrum dominance" that briefly seemed possible under the US nuclear monopoly of 1945-1949 grows ever more remote.
I think this is also an important background to Russiagate. The choice of Russia as the big bad wolf is not entirely adventitious.
Posted by: Cabe | Apr 2 2025 2:46 utc | 86
I find it interesting that Trump is thinking in these terms.
That was no mystery, he has been saying it for 6 or 8 years. Trump will dump Zeleinsky. He has nothing to offer. The nationalists will never follow a cease fire no matter who runs the country. They would have to be disarmed and disbanded and that will not happen either.
So the war will go on with European support minus the US to some larger degree. The Russians will keep pushing and Ukraine will backpeddle. round and round it goes and where it stops nobody knows.
Posted by: circumspect | Apr 2 2025 3:24 utc | 87
Posted by: Peru | Apr 2 2025 1:22 utc | 90
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Stop posting.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Apr 2 2025 3:35 utc | 88
[email protected] Dancer, aka, Dead Man Walking....lol....the little piece of shit just bought a French Bank for $1.2 billion.....you did say coddled, only special mass murdering genocidal bastards get that kind of coddling....Zman makes the negotiations fun, flings shit and boggers at the Russians, "peace, absolutely, soon as ya'll fuck off out of Ukraine, including Crimea." Does it get any funnier than that.....it will soon enough, I'm sure Whitehall has Britkrainia cribbed on how to keep the peace seeking Russians entertained.....
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 2 2025 11:43 utc | 89
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Consider posting a little less often yourself. People are starting to say that MoA has now become the "LoveDonbass" talkboard. Too much and often very repetitive.
Posted by: Spectaor | Apr 3 2025 2:08 utc | 90
This is not that complicated
Putin and Russia cannot accept an enemy with missiles in Ukraine anymore than Trump would accept a major Russian base in Florida with nuke capable missiles 5 minutes from Washington. Several hundred Russians have died to prevent that and it will not be come a negotiated festering normal. Especially since NATO and the AIPAC-controlled US never honor any agreements long enough for the ink to dry. Not to mention, Trump threatens to nuke Iran because Beebee wants him to.
Posted by: Arnieus | Apr 5 2025 17:53 utc | 91
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Why won’t the media relate that?
Is that a serious question? The same media that perpetuated the Russia hoax for four years? The same media that perpetuated the Jan. 6 hoax for four more? The same media that will always add a “falsely” on the front when saying Trump did this or that?
The answer is simply that they are lying liars who lie a lot and that they hate Donald Trump above all else with Putin being a close second. They will always seek to make things seem worse than they are and are ALWAYS trying to drive a wedge by making comments seem worse than they are or quoting them out of context.
Posted by: CullenBaker | Mar 31 2025 15:27 utc | 1