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March 11, 2025
The Pipeline Raid Of Sudzha

Throughout the war in Ukraine natural gas was still pumped through the Brotherhood (Druzhba) pipeline system from Russia via Ukraine to Hungary and Slovakia.


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At the beginning of the year the government of Ukraine decided to close the connection. It shut off the valves on Ukrainian ground. That event will be marked the end of the Ukrainian incursion into the Kursk region of Russia.

The map shows the Ukrainian held ground in Russia as of January 1 2025. It includes the city of Sudzha and some 20 Russian hamlets and villages.

Situation on January 1 2025

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The Brotherhood pipeline system consists of five parallel tubes with a diameter of 1.4 meters (4'8"). These run roughly parallel to the 34k-004 road (H-07 in Ukraine) from Kursk southwest-wards passing north of Sudzah on towards Sumy in Ukraine.

The pipes are buried in the ground. Due to vegetation disturbances the buried pipelines are visible in satellite pictures.

Pipeline bundle (from upper right to lower left) near the exit point of the raid

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Sometime after January 1 the Russian command responsible for the area developed a plan to use the pipeline system to attack the Ukrainian enemy from behind.

Natural gas was drained from one of the pipes of the Brotherhood pipeline system. Oxygen was pumped into it. Some 15 kilometer (~10 miles) north-east of Sudzha, near Bol'shoye Soldatskoye, an access hole was cut into the pipeline. Soldiers were sent into the pipeline to reconnaissance it. But there was still some natural gas and too little oxygen in the pipeline. The first soldiers fainted and had to be rescued. After weeks of work the pipeline was usable as a covered passageway towards Sudzha.

Drawn from five different military units a force of 800 men was assembled and prepared for the mission.

During the first two month of the year the Ukrainian forces had already lost ground on the western side of their incursion area. The general situation had gotten worse after the Russian forces gained fire control via drones over the only larger supply route from Sumy to Sudzha. Videos from that road showed dozens of wreaked and burned out vehicles. But the Ukrainian lines, and Sudzha, were still holding.

Situation on March 1 2025

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In early March Russia commandos entered the pipeline (along the arrow above). They used it to get to the north of the industrial zone of Sudzha, started to cut exit-holes and dug through the ground covering the pipeline. Some 800 soldiers followed and settled down within the pipeline.

On March 8, when the command was given, the Russian commandos exited the pipeline and entered nearby woods. They moved on to blockade the 34k-004 road, crossed it and entered the northern part of the industrial zone of Sudzha. There they could dug in. No larger Ukrainian units were in the immediate area. No one could stop the move.

Exit point and attack route

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Hearing reports on their radios of enemies in their back the Ukrainian soldiers panicked. Every unit north-east and east of Sudzha was cut off from supplies. There was no way to retreat. At the same time the Russian army attacked in the west and north of the Ukrainian held area. Resistance soon collapsed. Those who could retreated to Sudzha did so. From there they tried to move back to Ukraine.

Situation on March 11 2025

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Within one day the Ukrainian held area had shrunk by half. The Russian re-captured and cleared a total of 12 settlements. Current reports say that the Ukrainian forces within Russia are in full retreat along roads under permanent fire. Some will survive.

Meanwhile Russian forces are entering Sudzha.

This operation is a wonderful demonstration of what the Russians call 'Operational Art'. It connects the details of tactics with the goals of the strategy.

The move through the pipeline, behind Ukrainian lines and the cut through major Ukrainian supply lines achieved within days more than months of bloody fighting. The commander of this operation has surely earned some high honors.

Dima of the Military Summary Channel discussed some of the above in yesterday's summary.

A Russian news channel provided an excellent five minute video (with English subtitles) which shows the operation. It includes takes from within the pipeline.

This operation is one for the books.

Comments

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 11 2025 21:51 utc | 148
“It surprises people just how many trucks-worth of kit one coastal tramper can carry.”
A 1000 foot Great Lakes freighter can carry about 70,000 tons.
A barge carrying 1,750 short tons of dry cargo requires 1 barge, 16 rail cars, or 70 trucks to move the same cargo.

Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 12 2025 4:03 utc | 301

Symptoms
Feeling responsible for helping others
Putting aside your own well-being to help others
Making impulsive decisions to help others, such as volunteering or donating
Trying to help even if it’s not helpful or harmful
Causes
Childhood trauma or abandonment
Being parentified, or taking on the role of parent to siblings at a young age
Low self-esteem and a desire for validation
Associated conditions bipolar disorder, delusional disorder, and schizophrenia.
Posted by: Bonzo | Mar 12 2025 3:47 utc | 307
UW is right.
Read what you just wrote, dipshit! Concern for others as a mental illness? You’re a fucking creep.
In my experience, the tougher they talk online, the bigger the loser/pussy in real life. One can only imagine your daily routine, having ruled out “concern for others” as an ailment.
Advice to UW: ignore this retard. You’re better than that, old boy.
I come on here to see what’s popping in Saudi Arabia and this is what I get? Less subjective, more objective, boys.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 12 2025 4:19 utc | 302

Thank you to all those positing a soft landing for those who will be in shock; many in my family cannot see, perhaps never will, and for me silence has been the operative condition. How then when the future arrives? It will be hard on them, but we Christians know that humility has the awareness of nonjudgmental brotherhood built even into the concept of divinity. The majority have been misled; they want peace just as much even if on the wrong track.
Your points are valid; I could see that as being a concern. It is worth keeping in mind.

Posted by: juliania | Mar 12 2025 4:21 utc | 303

On the bright side, Simplicius has got something on it.
Peace in the middle east!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 12 2025 4:22 utc | 304

I would be very surprised at Russia taking this “ceasefire” proposal seriously, beyond playing along diplomatically.
Economically, the US is deliberately pricking the asset bubble to reduce the stock market bull run, reduce asset prices, devalue the dollar, inflate away the debt, force the Fed to cut interest rates, increase cheap credit to buy up bankrupted assets for pennies on the dollar and low interest rates & cheap assets an incentive to reshore manufacturers etc, and basically do a “reset” through recession. rinse, repeat. Hyper financialisation again. If some banks and critical companies get caught up, bail them out.
Though not so sure, that this will work again, given the changes in global trade since it was last used (2008). Depends heavily on the Reserve status of the dollar, and whether parts of the world increase the speed of de-coupling from the US economy.
While I think the US would like to get out of Ukraine, (but only temporarily, with a “freeze”, they do want to spend less on it. They just want a beach head, a foothold that can be easily reactivated and escalated again later.
As for the “minerals” deal.. as others have mentioned, mineral resources which may, or may not, exist.. and if they do exist, the bulk of them are now located on the Russian side.
Fig leaf, distraction … the fine print mentions that the deal includes ports, gas transit lines, transport corridors etc… which means Odessa is one of the prizes, a beach head on the Black Sea.

Posted by: Rain | Mar 12 2025 4:24 utc | 305

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 12 2025 4:19 utc | 312
Ill go back to ignoring him.
Until his next moniker.
Where Inwill read his posts in full.
Until over the days, I watch him descend back into his madness, and it becomes apparent to me who he is, again.
Then I’ll let him know he has shown himself again.
It’s the sockle of life.

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 12 2025 4:25 utc | 306

To you ‘watcher’ at 275
I started my schooling years in 1959. In latter primary grades we learnt about General Monash, as a decorated 1st WW leader. We were also taught he was Jewish Australian, and yes he was head of the Latrobe valley power plant. At no time did I ever hear that Monash was “loathed” by the ’empire’s’ establishment, here, nor the UK, for being a jew. He was a good leader who stood up for our troopers, and that’s where he may have clashed with the Haig / Kitchener types and quislings. Not for being a jew. I did hear that, long ago, Bernie Myers was ostracized by the Melbourne Club for being a jew when he tried to join. But that’s the Melbourne establishment for you, and I’ve never heard anything about the Myer family being Zionist either.
‘Trooper’ has, and always will be from what I can gather, the designated term for Australian army infantry. This ‘digger’ attachment came out the Tobruk campaign where two of our divisions and a brigade, fought with other allied units and it was long and gruelling trench warfare. They did lots and lots of ‘digging’ which is the way of all infantry. The rats of Tobruk coined that term for themselves. The ones that came home that is.

Posted by: Rosco | Mar 12 2025 5:17 utc | 307

Re: Ceasefire ?
What is the likely effect of the ceasefire theatrics on the fighting spirit of Kiev’s front line troops ?

Posted by: exile | Mar 12 2025 5:23 utc | 308

I believe the entire “ceasefire” show is a part of DeepState hitting back, probably without Trump even realizing such.
He seems too preoccupied with the tariff game and domestic expense control to handle the minutiae of liberal West diplomatic charade.
Kremlin just needs to stay silent know, while letting their men in Kursk and Donbass keep rolling undisturbed from politics.
Silence now will be the bedt answer to the entire BS that is orchestrated from Brussels and Jeddah.
Looking forward to another great Russian war movie in a couple of years.

Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Mar 12 2025 5:34 utc | 309

re: exile | Mar 12 2025 5:23 utc | 320
Blokes fighting for their lives in a kill or be killed situation learn to pay little attention to news as it has minimal effect on what they have to do each day. More important is the vibes from the companies around them, if the rot has set in in Kursk which seems to have happened, that is what they’ll be listening to, no one wants to be the last one standing after all their mates have shot thru. I imagine decisions about whether to stick it out or surrender will be made by comrades at platoon or company sized groups and as long as they don’t have some loudmouth nazi as their boss they will be surrendering, or not easy in Kursk, attempting to get home.
Remember some (not very many but some) from the 6th army were reputed to have walked out of Stalingrad and made it back to Germany in 1943, although stories had it if they were officers & were found, they were shot for desertion.
Whatever happened back then by the look of the vids of recent surrenders in Kursk, the troops aren’t breathing fire determined to defeat the Russians, they appear to have had the stuffing knocked out of them & since they’re unlikely to be sent on a forced march to Siberia if captured, value their own lives sufficiently to throw down their arms.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 12 2025 6:25 utc | 310

Russia says it is open for dialogue with US administration on the Ukrainian conflict, and it is important to eliminate root causes of the conflict. Sounds like there is no need to accept the current BS offer Nato is peddling.
By the way, France and Britain already pre-positioned their ‘peacekeepers’ in Ukrainian hotels deep behind the front, regularly visited by Russian missile.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 12 2025 6:26 utc | 311

Whatever happened back then by the look of the vids of recent surrenders in Kursk, the troops aren’t breathing fire determined to defeat the Russians, they appear to have had the stuffing knocked out of them & since they’re unlikely to be sent on a forced march to Siberia if captured, value their own lives sufficiently to throw down their arms.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 12 2025 6:25 utc | 322
Because most of them were grabbed from the street, and are put in between the RUAF forces on one side, and the nazi blockade detachment on the other side. This is true from so many testimonies of captured POWs. Not a coincidence so many have a similar story of being kidnapped from street, backed up by plenty of video evidence.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 12 2025 6:30 utc | 312

re Rosco | Mar 12 2025 5:17 utc | 319 the rats of Tobruk may well have coined the name rats of Tobruk, but they certainly didn’t come up with digger which dates back to the trench warfare of ww1.
A bit like most early 20th century Oz/kiwi slang there are many apocryphal tales of their origin. Here’s one

Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 12 2025 6:32 utc | 313

From Weeb Union, 60% of Sudzha already under Russian control. Only question is how far will the Russians go toward Sumy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVWE14XfwTE
And screw the ceasefire BS, no respite for the Ukrainians.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Mar 12 2025 6:39 utc | 314

Supposedly a laser emitter was used to bring down a Ukrainian drone. Very interesting.
https://x.com/Blackrussiantv/status/1899609494100865172

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 12 2025 6:40 utc | 315

“Russia agrees to a temporary ceasefire, but at what cost?”
Not a real headline (yet).
2 verifiable facts: firstly the collapse of Kursk, and secondly the continued/never stopped resupply by USA and friends. A ceasefire is just “Could you stop bombing us for a bit while we get ourselves sorted out? Thanking you in anticipation. Normal hostilities will resume as soon as possible”
It can only be a propaganda bid for western population sheep. In fact, odd for Trump to hang his hat on an obviously impossible deal.

Posted by: Occasional poster | Mar 12 2025 6:42 utc | 316

Also, there will be no war with China under Trump.
Posted by: UWDude | Mar 11 2025 21:36 utc | 136
You talked about predictions in the article and made one yourself.
And it was of a kind that should be obvious to everyone. But you didn’t mention why Trump won’t start a war with China.
In short:
Because the US would lose miserably, especially in the current situation, with empty warehouses, technological losses in all areas, and the internal danger of civil war while inflation rises due to tariffs.
As for Putin and the sanctions and tariffs threatened if he doesn’t act as Trump envisions…
Russia exports virtually nothing to the US anymore, and the very things the US is practically begging for (uranium/titanium/tungsten) or exported, everything is now being sanctioned by Russia and no longer delivered.
Strategically speaking, Trump has to keep quiet, and every strategist in NATO knows that the European warmongers also know “Well, well, roared, lion,” but when it comes down to it, there’s nothing behind it.

Posted by: berthold | Mar 12 2025 6:55 utc | 317

Tass
Great Britain and several European countries want to raise the stakes in Ukraine and are preparing measures to pressure Trump into aggressive action against Russia, but we are prepared for that as well. Lavrov stated this in an interview with the American bloggers Naufal, Johnson, and Napolitano.

Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 12 2025 7:16 utc | 318

Posted by: Occasional poster | Mar 12 2025 6:42 utc | 328
It’s only a way to blame RF on being the one not wanting peace.
All MSM is on this line already.
Let’s see what RF diplomatic answer will be.

Posted by: Mario | Mar 12 2025 7:20 utc | 319

Posted by: berthold | Mar 12 2025 6:55 utc | 329
I said “shit-tier predictions”, not predictions
shit tier prediction are saying Putin will accept the ceasefire. Not going to happen.
then he tries to predict how the Duran will react if Putin accepts the ceasefire, (which isnt going to happen) and then says they are morons for saying it wont happen.
It’s like a woman being mad at you for cheating on her in her dream. Its totally ririculous, and was a favorite tactic of shadowbanned, who was always predicting doom, and then lambasting Putin for responding the wrong way to the hypothetical doom.
Tryimg to demonize people for their hypothetical reactions to hypothetical events is shit-tier predictions.

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 12 2025 7:22 utc | 320

It’s like a woman being mad at you for cheating on her in her dream. Its totally ririculous, and was a favorite tactic of shadowbanned, who was always predicting doom, and then lambasting Putin for responding the wrong way to the hypothetical doom.
Tryimg to demonize people for their hypothetical reactions to hypothetical events is shit-tier predictions.
Posted by: UWDude | Mar 12 2025 7:22 utc | 332
Putin won’t accept this garbage…
Have you ever read this crap?
It even includes the “repatriation of allegedly abducted children.”
Which, with bad luck, could lead to tantrums in the Kremlin.
BUT
In the event of a rejection, it will be a mental message for the mob…
“See, the evil Russians are still holding the children captive.”
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Excerpt from the agreement translated from Russian:
“Repatriation of forcibly transferred Ukrainian children”
Whether it was ignorance on the part of the US delegation or a deliberate provocation against Russia is debatable, but the wording about the “repatriation of forcibly transferred Ukrainian children” in the joint statement is likely to trigger head shaking in Russia at best, and anger at worst.
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So what would change for Russia if it were rejected?
Absolutely NOTHING!
At best, the war will continue as it did under Biden!
The contents of the “peace agreement” were published by Anti Spiegel.
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https://anti-spiegel.ru/2025/der-text-der-gemeinsamen-erklaerung-der-usa-und-der-ukraine-was-er-bedeutet-und-was-fuer-russland-warum-inakzeptabel-ist/#comment-337764

Posted by: berthold | Mar 12 2025 7:41 utc | 321

Text of the Declaration of Peace
https://www.state.gov/joint-statement-on-the-united-states-ukraine-meeting-in-jeddah/

Posted by: berthold | Mar 12 2025 7:44 utc | 322

when the slapsown happened, it was big news.
This happening and nobody os paying attention, its all tarriffs, stock market, economy, Yesla, Elon Musk, and Department of Education being closed.
So the whole, “OMG, Russia denied peace” will also be ignored for domestic issues.
The smackdown pnly got attention because it was good television, and one more reason to hate Trump.
In fact, in r/Ukraine, they never stopped hating him, and continue to do so even though he reverted back to supporting Ukraine.
So, yeah, more of the same, no more Ukraine in US media for a while.
*There also is 0 mention of Kursk in r/Ukraine for past 3 days. They dont even know it is happening.

Posted by: UWDude | Mar 12 2025 7:55 utc | 323

Posted by: Cynic | Mar 12 2025 0:08 utc | 245
Stephen Bryen thinks it was a ruse:

If it is a ruse to allow the US to resume arms shipments to Ukraine, knowing Russia will reject it, the so-called peace initiative is a dead letter.
[After this was published, Washington announced it was resuming arms sales to Ukraine. The rest is history.]

https://asiatimes.com/2025/03/zelensky-was-not-at-the-table-for-the-riyadh-negotiation/
So Trump seems to be running around in circles on this issue.
Maybe he will achieve something significant in the domestic arena and the financial position of the federal state. Sadly, in geopolitics, Trump is starting to look Biden-esque.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Mar 12 2025 8:00 utc | 324

Debsisdead at 325
Yep, when I was young it did come up in the vernacular of Anzac Days and the WW1 vets that were still marching, but the overriding descriptor was simply ‘Anzacs’ on the day. The historical references of your postings’link are pretty convincing. Gold prospectors and Kauri gum harvesters. What a mix. As far as trench troops digging tunnels underneath, they were ALL up to that, both sides.
I also remember when very young, there was, anecdotally , an English military veteran of the Crimea campaign still living in the local regional city; pretty old though. Florence Nightingale, Tennyson, and all that. Dejá vu for the poms now.

Posted by: Rosco | Mar 12 2025 8:02 utc | 325

@UWDude –
cut back on your attacks on other commentators.
If you don’t it WILL get you banned.

Posted by: b | Mar 12 2025 8:11 utc | 326

Hotel Druzhba in Krivoy Rog has been hit in Krivoy Rog. Another base for future French/UK ‘peacekeepers’?
https://x.com/Alex_Oloyede2/status/1899729856268521642

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 12 2025 8:23 utc | 327

I was thinking ; Kiev’s regime used to do “maximalist” “peace plans” (remember what they asked in Switzerland last year.).
If the “maximal” they can ask for is a 30 days partial cease-fire ; how deep in the hole are they ?

Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 12 2025 8:29 utc | 328

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 11 2025 21:28 utc | 131

Can someone explain, I thought under the Montreux Convention, once Turkiye shuts down military traffic through the Bosporus, it becomes their job to inspect ships going in and out for weapons? How come so many great big weapon systems are routinely shipped in?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 11 2025 21:17 utc | 126
Fairly straightforward, civilian vessels (especially those registered to Black Sea littoral states) pass through the Bosporus either empty or carrying legit civilian cargo, head towards a port inside the Black Sea (likely Romanian), load up with weapons that have been airlifted, shipped overland or even floated down the Danube, then head towards Odessa.

it’s simply wrong
article 2:
In time of peace, merchant vessels shall enjoy complete freedom of transit and navigation
in the Straits, by day and by night, under any flag and with any kind of cargo, without any
formalities, except as provided in Article 3 below. ……
….
article 4:
In time of war, Turkey not being belligerent, merchant vessels, under any flag or with any
kind of cargo, shall enjoy freedom of transit and navigation in the Straits subject to the provisions
of Articles 2 and 3.

Posted by: ghiwen | Mar 12 2025 9:00 utc | 329

Very poor day for AFU in Kursk
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/157538

A cleanup operation is underway in Sudzha. Enemy groups that have not yet retreated are still present in the city.
The Russian Ministry of Defense will wait until the stabilization and cleanup operations are completed, after which it will announce the liberation of the city.
For the defeat in the Kursk region, Major General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Krasilnikov has been removed from his post.

https://t.me/dva_majors/66537

Approximately 3-4 km to the border with Sumy region.
Abandoned by commanders, the Ukrainian Armed Forces infantry is going home. And in vain, it would be better if they laid down their arms and went over to the side of the Russian people, since only this guarantees a normal life. War on the side of the Zelensky regime practically guarantees death, especially since the Ukrainian Armed Forces command, having abandoned soldiers in the Sudzhansky district, has already shown its attitude towards them.

Posted by: 5thcolumn | Mar 12 2025 9:09 utc | 330

The best (i.e. the least bad) thing the US could have done was to drop the Ukraine cold turkey and walk away, blaming the Democrats, the Ukrainians themselves and Europe. For a little while it looked like Trump might actually do that.
But the time to do it was a month ago. The propaganda groundwork wasn’t going to get any better. Since then Trump’s been flailing about, mostly talking only to himself about mythical “minerals deals” and other fantasies.
And now we can say that, having made a big show of allegedly stopping weapons deliveries and cutting off satellite intelligence (whether and how much the US actually did this is irrelevant to the propaganda), and now making a big show of resuming them (and Simplicius showed how Trump and the Euroscum are now back to speaking with one voice), Trump has “officially” taken full personal ownership of the Borderland war.
Now he has the worst of all worlds, since no other entity, not the Russians nor the Ukraine nor Europe nor any US domestic pro-war opinion nor any US anti-war opinion, will trust him or (among the pro-war parties) do anything but blame him for everything that goes wrong for the Ukraine going forward. For them he’s already the stabber-in-the-back. And now he’s squandered all goodwill among anyone who’s pro-Russia and/or anti-war.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 12 2025 9:13 utc | 331

What is in Trump’s mind? How can he expect to be respected by Russia or by anybody else when there is so much hubris and change of directions in his behavior.
In a way, it seems that Trump’s administration is not serious. The previous administration was full of anti Russian fanatics, but they had a consistent policy, at least. Trump is trying to keep a very serious appearance but in fact this is a joke.
How can they expect any concessions from Russia?
On the other hand, we have mad European dogs and Ukrainians still glad to die for the sake of global capitalism. It is amazing that Ukrainians and Europeans still love this war.

Posted by: vargas | Mar 12 2025 9:18 utc | 332

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 12 2025 9:13 utc | 334
very good post

Posted by: vargas | Mar 12 2025 9:20 utc | 333

Now Putin will reject this “peace treaty.” Wasting time until then means taking his time with the answer.
After all, one reason is enough for him to reject it…the presence of “mercenaries around Kursk” was enough.
What does Trump want to do?
What could be worse for Putin for Russia than under Biden?
Putin was once asked who he would prefer to be US President…his answer: Biden! He is more predictable.
As we now see why, Trump wavers from one contrary decision to the next, sometimes contradicting himself.
He includes stupid passages like “return of forcibly abducted children” in a peace treaty that is already very shaky.
Does he want to offer Putin something like this hidden to reject this nonsense?
Is he staging these negotiations ONLY for the world to appear as a mediator? Trump doesn’t even want a ceasefire if he’s enshrining such aggression in a written agreement, which is unlikely to create a positive atmosphere…not to mention the rest.
While simultaneously making veiled threats to Putin… “sanctions and tariffs,” which is beyond ridiculous!
As I said…WHAT COULD BE WORSE THAN UNDER BIDEN?

Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 12 2025 9:30 utc | 334

The old surfer girl had a orgasm when she heard Trump officially continues attacks:
“Because of #POTATUS leadership, we are one significant step closer to ending the bloody war in Ukraine. Per the President’s direction, the pause on intelligence sharing with Ukraine has ended”

Posted by: rk | Mar 12 2025 9:40 utc | 335

Dima:
AFU lost 70% of its troops in the retreat process from Sudzha. RUAF control the Sudzha town itself, west of the river. AFU may still control some of the conglomeration in outskirt of Sudzha.
More horrible Ukrainian crimes against civilians discovered in Sudzha, where AFU .
It’s most likely Russia will present these evidence to USA and UN and reject it, putting the ball back into Ukraine’s court.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 12 2025 9:46 utc | 336

Posted by: Rosco | Mar 12 2025 5:17 utc | 310
The term digger predates Tobruk by many years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digger_(soldier)

Posted by: Peter Williams | Mar 12 2025 9:51 utc | 337

Its not what trump wants.
Its not what europeian countrys want.
Its not repeat not even what ukraine and zelensky wants.
Both american and europian politics of all partys are totaly compromised by the people who control them.
We all know this dont we ?
US, UK and EU are controled by the self same people, pulling the strings for their own interest not for the above entitites interests.
We know this dont we.
Its sunk into our subconcous, to the poin its dropped from our daily comments.
Normalisation.
That interest is israel and greater israel.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 12 2025 9:53 utc | 338

RF will not directly reject the ceasefire.
Simply will play along, taking time, making counter proposal and the like, while keepeng hammering Ukraine Nato.
The ball is and always has been in the west field.
In the end, unless west can pull out a magic trick, RF will win the war.

Posted by: Mario | Mar 12 2025 9:55 utc | 339

Dont mention the jews.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 12 2025 9:56 utc | 340

Oooh here we go !!!
The captain of the container ship turns out to be Russian Russian Russian !!!what did i tell ya.
Classic false flag.
Fuck it i hate my countrys politicians sick bastards.
Its the Skripal false flag all over again.
Fetch ya vomit bucket.
And thank me laters.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 12 2025 10:06 utc | 341

Headline on German TV
EU demands
US should be suspended from NATO.
.

Posted by: berthold | Mar 12 2025 10:07 utc | 342

There are very slight differences among our masters.
They argue, for example, among themselves about whether it’s better to cover the beast with a Pharisaic mask or dress it in Sadducean garb.
In any case, we are mere spectators.
Medieval peasants prayed
Zombie-like Westerners voted.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 12 2025 10:11 utc | 343

As expected Kremlin is taking time on the ceasefire matter.

Posted by: Mario | Mar 12 2025 10:15 utc | 344

Meanwhile in Syria the suporters of Assain are being genicideded by HTS doing the dirty work for the jews.
With trumps nod and a wink, just like the Gaza mass murder.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 12 2025 10:24 utc | 345

This monstrous and old idea (1997-) of ​​sacrificing Ukrainians pawns to try to overthrow Russia interests the Pharisees more than the Sadducees
But both are obsessed with ‘the bloody Levantine regime’ founded (1917-) by the British Empire and Ukrainian and Polish fanatics
That’s why I find it incomprehensible how the Russian ruling class has played this chess game, The Ukrainian Gambit

Posted by: Simon | Mar 12 2025 10:30 utc | 346

Good morning campers!
Drumpff is peeved about the Russians playing cards that he said nobody has left in this ‘game’.
Asking for a breather and a count of ten as you are getting trounced by the ‘kids’ you and your gang have bullied forever is … pathetic.
There is no dodgy umpire to appeal to except the belligerent bully boys themselves.
The biggest of which suddenly steps away and claims to be an ‘honest broker’!
The kids in his bully gang getting their arse handed to them stare at their Big Boy Leader of the Gang demanding he do something to stop their victim, who has suddenly learnt some crafty jiu jitsu, karate or … boxing!
I have used the boxing analogy from early on in the SMO.
Russians doing the Rope-A-Dope! It has held up.

The devious zionatzos collective western game planning and theorising developed over the decades was to PROVOKE a FULL SCALE invasion of the old borderlands.
A means of resetting the history of Russia always having the moral high ground! As the brunt of invasions by the west Asians. Thus showing the rest of the world and History, who the real villain has always been – the Collective Western Waste and it’s Never Ending Great Game for its financial overlords.
All through the SMO the so-called ‘alternative voices’ have chirruped away on their various platforms in the Alt-media about the righteousness of the Russian existential threat response! Of course because that has been the game theory for decades.
They kept demanding the Big Arrows; the Human Waves.
They needed that spectacle to rewrite history.
It was the win-win strategy. Let the Russians have some of their old territory back but keep Crimea, Odessa and the Azov and Black Seas – the crossroads of the world! Their ancient toll collecting empire.
So it is those exact same ‘voices’ who now have center stage it seems – moving from the periphery in a choreographed set up f trajectories to ‘save the bacon’.
It started with Sachs and Measheimer, the brains trust; and has progressed with Top Cat ‘Joe 90’ Carlson; and now the other ‘trusted alternative voices’ – the Judge and Larry Johnson… many Alt Bloggers too.
Cynical? You might say – Not enough I say. It’s probably much worse.
Frankly the now millennial aged Russia is dealing with the younger Westphalian ‘nations’ to their west and their giant bastard mongrel manchild who is not yet reaching mental maturity – still a spoilt brat entitled ‘teenager’.
Supposedly strong in arm – but definitely thick in head.
The Russians have ancient older wise friends – Chinese, sub continental and East Asians, Persians and many African Peoples.
They are the ‘Magnificent Seven’ defenders of humanity and its civilisation, standing up aginst the raiding bandits of the Waste.
And Winning

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 12 2025 10:43 utc | 347

Among other depressing aspects
Among other depressing aspectos of this bloody monstrosity, the Ukrainian Gambit, is the realization that the Russians don’t know how to play chess: a pair of planes from ‘the bloody Levantine entity’ shot down by Russian missiles, and the Pharisees in London and Washington immediately sat down to negotiate with Russia the expansión of NATO
Enough of making the audience dizzy in stereo: the lies of the official press and alt voices.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 12 2025 10:55 utc | 348

Unless Putin agrees to the “ceasefire”, Trump fucked himself. On this trajectory he’ll end up owning the Ukraine like Nixon ended up owning Vietnam.
If I had the big desk in the Kremlin I would respond that a 30 day ceasefire for negotiations is on the table as soon as Ukrainian forces vacate the four oblasts. As this is the minimum territorial requirement for peace in Russia’s opinion. It also forces Zelensky into a bitter defeat and it forces the west to make good on its chatter that Ukraine will have to make territorial concessions.
Of course Kiev cannot and will not accept that condition, so Trump is in a corner of either forcing Kiev to do it or losing his deal. And when it is rejected Russia continues on the current trajectory, flipping the planned script of the west where Russia is the obstacle to peace.

Posted by: Lex | Mar 12 2025 11:15 utc | 349

Trump has no choice but to allow arms to flow to Ukraine … his economy is in free fall, he’s getting blamed and the MIC is one of the only sectors experiencing job growth. Whether government employees are dead weight or not the optics of laying off government employees en masse just prior to the stock market falling isn’t good. Appearances count and if MIC stocks rally and they are hiring then he can’t be further blamed for blundering into depression.
Arms are once again moving to Ukraine but at what price for Ukraine. I’ll bet Ukraine is now getting invoiced for satellite / surveillance aircraft time and the salaries of CIA, State and military advisors in Ukraine. I’ll bet the markup is ridiculous too … it’s not like they’re ever going to get paid but positive numbers on a spreadsheet are just as real as cash to a politician

Posted by: HB_Norica | Mar 12 2025 11:16 utc | 350

Well, owl map is showing a complete rout in kursk/sudzha, others still show some mop-up and DS still hanging on to the dream…
Meanwhile, the (roughly) 15 AFU brigades in kursk are now between sumy and sudzha.
Normally that would be in the 60k ballpark, but we have heard 6.000 when they were stuck in kursk.
That brings me to the other 3 or 4 such groups, mainly those in toretsk, pokrovsk, oleksivka and shevchenko.
All of them are being pushed out (or in) for a long while.
How strong (or more correctly weak) are they at this time.
We’re talking about , roughly, half the nominal units the AFU has.
I understand the us desperation for any ceasefire right now, assuming that the AFU is trying to use whatever they still have to present a hard shell, it’s getting thinner by the day and should crack, prety much everywhere, soon enough.
My 2 cents

Posted by: Newbie | Mar 12 2025 11:16 utc | 351

joint-statement-on-the-united-states-ukraine-meeting-in-jeddah

The delegations also discussed the importance of humanitarian relief efforts as part of the peace process, particularly during the above-mentioned ceasefire, including the exchange of prisoners of war, the release of civilian detainees, and the return of forcibly transferred Ukrainian children.

I can imagine the headlines tonight on French TV :
“Oh dear ! Too late ! The Kremlin’s Master already eate them all !”

Posted by: fabrice | Mar 12 2025 11:27 utc | 352

If I had the big desk in the Kremlin I would respond that a 30 day ceasefire for negotiations is on the table as soon as Ukrainian forces vacate the four oblasts. As this is the minimum territorial requirement for peace in Russia’s opinion. It also forces Zelensky into a bitter defeat and it forces the west to make good on its chatter that Ukraine will have to make territorial concessions.
Of course Kiev cannot and will not accept that condition, so Trump is in a corner of either forcing Kiev to do it or losing his deal. And when it is rejected Russia continues on the current trajectory, flipping the planned script of the west where Russia is the obstacle to peace.
Posted by: Lex | Mar 12 2025 11:15 utc | 352
They might, that is the only way they could keep up appearances of still having an army (added bonus time to bring them to new positions and quickly building some sort of defense lines that might actually work).
Of course the western bank lands would be a point of dispute and might be administratively transferred with no actual (significant) troops across the dniepre and the possibility of cutting them off by air.
This would to fall within the ballpark of RF demands and still something presentable as a win for trump.
The fun part would begin after that, RF demands will certainly include some step 2 and 3 that would amenable to putin but could be hidden in the post-peace process.

Posted by: Newbie | Mar 12 2025 11:32 utc | 353

The meeting in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA) has nothing to do with Ukraine but about ‘the big elephant in the room’ which for some strange reason people seems to forget even though they’ve been reminded many times before in this forum.

Posted by: pepe | Mar 12 2025 11:32 utc | 354

Now for the part of limited ceasefire, no drones, planes, rockets, but land battle still free for all.
One final point, a cease fire on (all) offensive drones, planes and rockets might be an opportunity, if attacks and defense have rely on artillery I would be tempted to say that AFU would be unable to stop any RF serious advance (and I’d bet RF has artillery to spare) , first use of drones by the AFU and the deal would be off the table and FABs away and iskander galore with a side of geranium vases (and AFU did it, RF has abided by the terms).
And without missiles and naval drones the RF could enforce a naval border to check any cargo ships, just saying.
Might be that the AFU hasn’t thought their cunning plan quite through, they might just cut off their head to solve the low ceiling problem…

Posted by: Newbie | Mar 12 2025 11:47 utc | 355

When America falls into terminal decline, I think we will see a reversal: sparsely populated states will see a decline in their rates and east coast and Cali will see a huge upswing.
There’s a lot to infer from that.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 12 2025 2:29 utc | 291
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Those numbers will be statistically insignificant compared to the murder rate. One might as well then ditch the name USA and call the place Blood Meridian.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 12 2025 11:48 utc | 356

The Euro-partners are determined to create a provocation which will force the U.S. to provide a *backstop* for their goading & agitations in Ukraine, achieving the desired escalation of the war. So the hoax-y talks in Jeddah were a fig-leaf for *restarting* the military aid and the intel-sharing, not really to arrange a ceasefire which DJT’s team knows in advance Russia will reject.
On 20 January, DJT stepped back into a governmental system which has been laser-focused on killing & maiming Russians—-including VVP—-for decades. When the acute phase of this intent—destroying Russia—reached an apogee during the Collective Biden years, it pleased the Euro-partners mightily, but also fed a Target Fixation. Hooked on the Target, destroying Russia, the Euro-partners can’t give it up. Neither can elements of the U.S. system that have been laser-focused, and still are, on destroying Russia. Nobody is ready to detox.
As long as the craving to achieve this Target remains viable and alive for them, even though they are deluding themselves—because they are deluded addicts—they will triple-dose on destroying.
Obviously they are in need of a serious intervention but DJT, who is contending w/ his *own* hell-bent governmental system—plus these deluded Euro-partners—can’t turn off the spigot.
Halting military support & U.S. intel for the heinous regime in Kiev was a *bridge too far*—cold turkey—not the methadone, so to speak, which would be required to wean them from the Target: destroying Russia.
DJT can’t turn off the spigot—limit the stash, as it were—because when he did, it sent the Euro-partners right over the edge, along w/ elements of his own government which are aligned w/ the Euro-partners.
<< The ball is indeed in Russia’s court, as Sec Rubio said after the meeting in Jeddah. The subtext of that is this: Russia must rout Ukraine. Russia must crush the heinous regime in Kiev, regardless of who’s backing it. This is Russia’s neighborhood, Russia’s sphere of influence. If a country needs an assist from a colluding belligerent, the U.S. in this case, to crush a malign force in its sphere of influence, then it does not have enough influence really to command that sphere. Russia knows how to crush the malign force. Nobody needs Sec Rubio to tell them how.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 12 2025 11:53 utc | 357

Gold phone rings, Putin picks up:
TRUMP – “Hello Vladimir, great news from Saudi Arabia today. Zelensky has agreed to a thirty day cease fire.”
PUTIN – “Mr. President that is indeed excellent news. We should all meet and discuss the details.”
TRUMP – “What did you have in mind, I can offer my beautiful and luxurious Mar-a-Lago as a venue this very weekend.”
PUTIN – “That’s gracious of you. I was thinking the beautiful and historic Kremlin on May ninth.”

Posted by: Inevitabllity | Mar 12 2025 11:57 utc | 358

O the land of the dwarf king with moobs
Got attacked by men climbing through tubes
They had turned off the gas
Which turned out to be rash
Now their foe has them grasped by the pubes

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 12 2025 12:09 utc | 359

Western media: Ukraine withdrew from Kursk region. Guess that’s an optimistic spin to put on it.

For understanding why people are reading this “press” less and less.
Ukraine withdraws troops from Kursk — EL MUNDO
«Despite intense fighting in recent days, the withdrawal of troops was gradual and without significant losses.
In any case, the Kursk operation, being a temporary mission, ended for the Ukrainians with the achievement of most of its objectives: their losses were moderate compared to the Russians, sometimes at a ratio of one to four killed.
By retreating in an organized and timely manner, Ukraine avoided the mistakes of Avdiivka, Bakhmut, and other battles, where it was criticized for retreating too late and coming under enemy fire.
In this battle, the Russians deployed 50,000 soldiers from their best airborne units with the best armored vehicles. This prevented Russia from focusing on the offensive in the Donetsk region, whose strength in recent months had gradually weakened until it completely stopped.
The Koreans, with their absurd kamikaze attacks, lost at least half of their contingent»
How the fuck are you not ashamed…
The losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces there are greater than anywhere else on such a territory throughout all the years of the war.
The order to retreat was given only today, whereas a week ago it was already too late to retreat.
All the brigades, all the most combat-ready units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been destroyed.
How can you not be ashamed???
This is just catastrophically terrible and false propaganda.

https://x.com/anatoliisharii/status/1899790872310321212

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 12 2025 12:14 utc | 360

Druzhba = Friendship

Posted by: Dkobzev | Mar 12 2025 12:29 utc | 361

This is not a US peace plan, its a kiev plan. They wrote it. Its designed to switch narrative to “russia doesnt want peace but Kiev does” in the western media.
You can imagine how this goes. Next step is “well now we need to bring monitors in to the contact lines from the OSCE”. Then, every time kiev violates the ceasefire, the blame is put on russia breaking it.
The ceasefire is then used to rearm and regroup. Weve seen out it plays out in the past. Merkel spilt the beans on that one didnt she.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 12 2025 12:34 utc | 362

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 12 2025 12:14 utc | 363
Yes. That is the new line in MSM.
On TV the Ukrainians are retreating from Kursk.
My ass.

Posted by: Mario | Mar 12 2025 12:35 utc | 363

DJT performed a Heat Check on his ability to halt military aid to Ukraine but got slapped back.
The European Meta State aligned w/ the U.S. Deep State did the slapping.
Recall that during DJT 1.0, he couldn’t deny Ukraine Javelins, because the Ukraine Lobby had enough senators & congressional representatives in the bag to ensure that such a thing would be a given; the climate of Russiagate guaranteed this to the hilt. Anything that DJT did back then which would seem to favor VVP got him tarred as a Kremlin Stooge.
Although Russiagate, the hoax, has been debunked, the Ukraine Lobby has no doubt strengthened, especially during the years of Collective Biden. So DJT performed his Heat Check, shutting off aid, and received enough flak from the Meta/Deep States that he had to backtrack. The fig-leaf meeting in Jeddah was *cover* for him suddenly to announce that he was—surprise, surprise—turning the aid back on.
Russia better stay robustly committed to its objective, which is to remove the root cause of what gave rise to the war in the first place. Naturally this will lay culpability right @ the doorstep of the U.S., starting w/ the Orange Revolution in 2004 if not before—but that is a gnarlier matter for another time, a time when thorn-studded truths can be told.
More immediately, right now, Russia has uncovered ample documented evidence of war crimes in the Kursk villages that have been liberated; Sudzha is emerging as a major crime scene. The UN, as a body, lacks will & clout, but it is still a way to publicize and air the evidence Russia has found.
Doing so will benefit Russia more than agreeing to a tripwire kind of faux ceasefire w/ a malign regime whose raison d’être shouts that violating ceasefires is what it is about.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 12 2025 12:42 utc | 364

May I remind y’all that Trump really, really wants that Nobel peace prize and if we look at his actions through this lens, it all makes sense.
It doesn’t matter for him if any real peace occurs. He just wants to be honoured and praised for being the greatest peacemaker in the world history.

Posted by: Avtonom | Mar 12 2025 12:42 utc | 365

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 12 2025 12:14 utc | 363
And he missed the part where they state “having lost interest in using it for peace negotiations”
People that read MSM do live in another world.
But sooner or later they’ll find out it is NOT THIS ONE.
the department of truth is still strong in the european side of the pond…
And still nothing (about ukraine) on bigserge, another (certainly fine) historic post on the rise of the Dreadnought, but still no updates (yes, I’m still waiting and others too)

Posted by: Newbie | Mar 12 2025 12:45 utc | 366

Avtonom | Mar 12 2025 12:42 utc | 368
“May I remind y’all that Trump really, really wants that Nobel peace prize and if we look at his actions through this lens, it all makes sense.”
Everyone started saying that all of a sudden, but did Trump actually express this as a personal goal? If so I missed it.
(Not that I’m doubting it; that’s just the sort of worthless imperial honor he might covet.)

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 12 2025 12:49 utc | 367

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL5zcPfLs4U
Only goes up to March 9 but a Youtube map of territorial changes in the Kursk pocket this year. I don’t know how accurate it is, though I had the impression Russians were chipping away at the northern and western parts of the pocket and starting to make way in Sumy Oblast even before the pipeline offensive.

Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 12 2025 12:52 utc | 368

May I remind y’all that Trump really, really wants that Nobel peace prize and if we look at his actions through this lens, it all makes sense.
It doesn’t matter for him if any real peace occurs. He just wants to be honoured and praised for being the greatest peacemaker in the world history.
Posted by: Avtonom | Mar 12 2025 12:42 utc | 368
Possible, the other (good) hypothesis is that he just wants out for the us (and wash its hands on any old us shenanigans in the mater).
Intermediate option is theater and screw ukraine while looking good on the stage.
Worst case scenario is he wanting to adopt the tar baby. Hopefully not.
Let’s see how all of this pans out.
Lavrov took the occasion to call “Fuhrer Ursula” to our very own fond of lying bitch.
Not very typical of him so a message is certainly intended, karlof, any opinions on that?

Posted by: Newbie | Mar 12 2025 12:53 utc | 369

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 12 2025 12:49 utc | 370
I don’t know if he has said it explicitly. But ever since Obama got it, he has coveted it and made all sorts of hints etc; sorry I can’t verify it scientifically, it’s just been totally visible imo.
With the Peace prize, you just don’t tell the world that you want it. You must be subtle. You get your mighty friends to promote you at the Nobel committee and you drop a commentary now and then to build up expectations.

Posted by: Avtonom | Mar 12 2025 12:56 utc | 370

Posted by: Mario | Mar 12 2025 12:35 utc | 366
They’ve lied to themselves and their people ever since the Maidan coup – why would they stop now?
I think Trump fucked this up royally. He’s now stuck to the Project Ukraine tarbaby. What’s he going to do when the remaining $4B in drawdown authority leftover from Biden runs out? That may happen by St. Patty’s day.
Go back to Congress for more money? The Freedom Caucus may say no, and his threats of primarying them look empty.
The Dems might even rediscover their long lost anti-war roots, although that is a long shot.
He’s trapped once Putin tells him nicely to go play in freeway traffic.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 12 2025 12:59 utc | 371

The West is not going to lose a war which it provoked Russia into starting.
The culmination of this—-a victory for the West—-has been a devoted intention since @ least the Bush jr. term. Now that they’ve got the hot war for which they’ve prepped, of course hostilities cannot end without the complete destruction of Russia.
The weird impression I get is that even if Russia thoroughly routs Ukraine and takes matters to the Polish border the European Meta State and the U.S. Deep State will not permit the war to end.
Even if they fight literally to the last Ukrainian in the country, that will not signal an end, because the Meta/Deep States will arrange a new theatre through which Russia must still fight Ukraine. In a peculiar way, Ukraine stops being a place and the term “Ukrainians” stops denoting a people. Anything the Meta/Deep States can use to fight Russia will be a *Ukrainian* fighting for *Ukraine* even if the place and the people no longer exist. At that point, the gritty kinetic war will have succeeded in morphing into its symbolic, nonliteral variant.
In the skeeviest way possible the riddle is wrapped in a conundrum and duct-taped to a puzzle.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 12 2025 13:01 utc | 372

Avtonom | Mar 12 2025 12:56 utc | 373
“With the Peace prize, you just don’t tell the world that you want it. You must be subtle. You get your mighty friends to promote you at the Nobel committee and you drop a commentary now and then to build up expectations.”
They gave it to Obama in order to normalize permanent imperial war as the new baseline for “peace”. I doubt they’d give it to anyone for “rewarding Russian aggression”, which is certainly the way the Nobble committee sees it.
That, like everything else by now, points to Trump being as morbidly delusional about the war as any other clueless USian. He keeps slogging along in a way guaranteed to anger both the Russian/anti-war side and the Western/neocon pro-war side.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Mar 12 2025 13:05 utc | 373

“The ball is in Russia’s court” apparently..
So after receiving an unprecedented 300-400 drone attack on its civilians and without a single incentive to stop the war being outlined, Russia is supposed to just stop for 30 days, so either Ukraine can re-arm and re-supply its front lines now in disarray, or, refuse and appear once again to be the ‘aggressor’ so Trump can double down on stupid and break another campaign promise.
Gee, never saw that one coming..
There are no balls in chess anyway.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Mar 12 2025 13:07 utc | 374

I was always angry at Putin, asking why he was not going much faster.
But now I think, Putin’s wisdom was in waiting and going slowly.
The west has played all the cards, specially with Trump’s frequent U turns.
The only remaining opponent is Ukraine and it’s population still happy to die for the Western interests.

Posted by: vargas | Mar 12 2025 13:09 utc | 375

Trump? Nobel Peace Prize? Silly talk. He doesn’t stand a chance against Bibi or Ursula She-Wolf of the Nazis.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 12 2025 13:10 utc | 376

Trump? Nobel Peace Prize? Silly talk. He doesn’t stand a chance against Bibi or Ursula She-Wolf of the Nazis.
Posted by: malenkov | Mar 12 2025 13:10 utc | 379

You are perfectly right. But Trump doesn’t know that. He probably believes he’s just inches from the great reward now.

Posted by: Avtonom | Mar 12 2025 13:14 utc | 377

A full on war between Nato and Russia is but weeks away.
On western europes terrortory.
Our citys and familys distroyed.
Call up is iminante.
Millions of dead europians is a plus not a minus for your leaders.
Nazie Eugenics.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 12 2025 13:19 utc | 378

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 12 2025 13:10 utc | 379
I’ll add the hero Zelensky to your list. 😉

Posted by: Mario | Mar 12 2025 13:19 utc | 379

The ship collision classic false flag incedent in UK waters.
The Captain was Russian….
Crickets.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 12 2025 13:22 utc | 380

“The ball is in Russia’s court” apparently..
Posted by: Rubiconned | Mar 12 2025 13:07 utc | 377
It’s a trick , it would be so easy to trick them back with a “Bucha” like footage in Sudja … Hey , what’s come around goes around !

Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 12 2025 13:26 utc | 381

May I remind y’all that Trump really, really wants that Nobel peace prize and if we look at his actions through this lens, it all makes sense.
It doesn’t matter for him if any real peace occurs. He just wants to be honoured and praised for being the greatest peacemaker in the world history.
Posted by: Avtonom | Mar 12 2025 12:42 utc | 368
<< The notion that DJT wants the Nobel Peace Prize is a Regime Media trope, a faux measuring stick, not unlike the Regime Media trope of Russia attempting to take Kiev in three days. Gen. Milley stated it, and the Regime Media ran w/ it. VVP never asserted this intention. Once the Regime Media floated it, the other media outlets *stovepipe* it, that is to say, they repeat the assertion, citing the prior media outlet as evidence and the “unnamed official” in order to authenticate it. The same thing is now being done w/ DJT and the Nobel Peace Prize. This is a European Meta State and U.S. Deep State media ploy—ping-ponging the assertions about this back & forth, creating the underlying buzz. Soon DJT will not be able to sign an Executive Order without a planted member of the Regime Media from asking him about the Nobel Peace Prize. Soon DJT won’t be able to walk across the White House lawn on his way to Marine One without a planted member of the Regime Media calling it out over the whomp-whomp of the helicopter’s blades. The Regime Media is giving DJT the “Putin” treatment. Just like it didn't matter that VVP was not intent on taking Kiev in 3 days, it does not matter whether DJT wants the Nobel Peace Prize or not. The Meta/Deep States *say* he wants it. That's what matters. Every year that he does *not* in fact win the Nobel Peace Prize becomes another opportunity for the Meta/Deep States to use it against DJT as a cudgel.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 12 2025 13:29 utc | 382

I was always angry at Putin, asking why he was not going much faster.
But now I think, Putin’s wisdom was in waiting and going slowly.
The west has played all the cards, specially with Trump’s frequent U turns.
The only remaining opponent is Ukraine and it’s population still happy to die for the Western interests.
Posted by: vargas | Mar 12 2025 13:09 utc | 378
Has your handle been hijacked, was dinner shrooms? Are you feeling okay?
———————-
A full on war between Nato and Russia is but weeks away.
Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 12 2025 13:19 utc | 381
On the other thread I was discussing that distinct possibility if western europe doesn’t wise up soon (but the timing is wrong, too soon, so let’s all calm down a bit)
I wish a decent arrangement could be reached, but I guess we’ll have to settle for a decade long truce.
————-
The ship collision classic false flag incedent in UK waters.
The Captain was Russian….
Crickets.
Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 12 2025 13:22 utc | 383
Unlikely, just profiting from a SNAFU would be my first option
Have you seen the video someone posted? Yes, they could try putting the tanker right in the bullseye, but they’d also have to compromise the colliding vessel… seems a bit stretched even for james bond

Posted by: Newbie | Mar 12 2025 13:35 utc | 383

Using children in Ukraine to fill up ball bearings inside drones intended to cause as many deaths/injuries as possible among civilians.
This is LIFE OR DEATH, me or you for Russia.

‼️🇺🇦💥🇷🇺 Underage Ukrainians are filling explosive components of strike drones with ball bearings.
Such munitions were found by residents of the Moscow region and Moscow after an unprecedented attack involving a large number of UAVs.

https://x.com/MaimunkaNews/status/1899793784243687785

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 12 2025 13:38 utc | 384

I’ll add the hero Zelensky to your list. 😉
Posted by: Mario | Mar 12 2025 13:19 utc | 382
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(*facepalm*) but of course!

Posted by: malrnkov | Mar 12 2025 13:41 utc | 385

On the face of it, it appears the completely wrong policy for Trump to seem so aggressive with this ‘ceasefire’ proposal. I would offer this suggestion: Trump knows that the Ukraine is on the point of collapse and that Zelensky’s conditions for a ceasefire are completely inappropriate. The ceasefire proposal has certainly to be rejected by the Russians. Therefore, the Ukraine will have no option but to fight on. Trump has restored US weapons and intelligence, following a pause. Consider that, if Trump had not restored the US intel and weapons-he would almost certainly be blamed for the inevitable, if slightly delayed, Ukrainian defeat. We would have been led to believe by all the usual suspects that the Ukraine would not have lost the war if Trump hadn’t suspended all this support. If the Ukraine, on the other hand, still receive the assistance, but go on to lose the war, Trump can claim that he did his best. If this is the case, it would finish up as a win for Russia and a ‘win’ of sorts for the US, leaving his original proposals of a kind of ‘Yalta II’ still not in jeopardy.
Maybe, we should wait development for another while. I think the only thing most people can be sure of, now, is that Trump is very difficult to read.

Posted by: DeGaulle | Mar 12 2025 13:48 utc | 386

RT reports:
The likelihood of deception and ceasefire violations on the Ukrainian side is very high. The goal is to force Russia to accommodate itself and agree to compromises. Is it even possible to agree to such a ceasefire? Only under certain conditions.
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For the Russian side, a ceasefire without conditions, or on the terms announced after the talks between the US and Ukrainian delegations in Jeddah, poses a number of obvious risks in the current situation.
The Ukrainian side’s agreement to this ceasefire was forced. It was under intense pressure. And this pressure was not aimed at a long-term peace, but merely at a ceasefire.
There was no desire on the part of Vladimir Zelensky and his presidential office to take such a step until the very end. Nor is there any real desire now. Zelensky personally did not unequivocally support the agreements. He will try to zigzag the lines.
The likelihood of deception and ceasefire violations by the Ukrainian side is very high. The goal is to force Russia to back down and agree to compromises. Afterward, however, the compromises will end up “on the negotiating table” as options accepted by Russia.
Is it possible to agree to such a ceasefire knowing that the likelihood of deception by the Ukrainian side is high? Under certain conditions.
What are these conditions? There may be several. The most important ones include:
1. Territory. The ceasefire does not apply to the territory of the Russian Federation (Kursk Region).
2. Time. The Ukrainian side must sit down at the negotiating table within three weeks.
3. Resources. All arms deliveries to Ukraine will be stopped.
. Guarantees. Clear commitments from the US and the EU that in the event of a ceasefire violation by the Ukrainian side, they will not only force them to return to the agreements, but will also consistently punish the Ukrainian authorities (impose new conditions).
5. Words. Demonstration of Zelensky’s personal good intentions. Aggressive rhetoric from him and the Ukrainian authorities should be stopped. Any negative statement should be considered evidence of an intention to jeopardize the ceasefire.
Other conditions cannot be ruled out. However, they do not seem as urgent as those mentioned above. Furthermore, combinations of conditions are also possible.
Ceasefire in exchange for weapons? US resumes military aid to Kyiv
Somehow, this doesn’t add up, or the US habit of thinking Russians are stupid has once again come through among the negotiating elites.
Setting conditions is normal. Anyone who believes that Russia’s conditions are an attempt to reject the ceasefire is either an idiot or an opponent of the peace negotiations. (In reality, “opponent” would be appropriate for Trump.)
And the Russian side should remember to remind everyone that agreeing to a ceasefire without the assurance that a peace agreement will be reached afterward, taking Russian interests into account, can only worsen the situation for all sides.
It is important that Europe confirms that it will not exploit the ceasefire. It is also important that Trump publicly provides personal guarantees.
Otherwise, it is better for Russia not to negotiate now and continue with what is being done than to participate in negotiations where its conditions are not taken into account.
Is it possible to agree to a ceasefire without conditions? Only if you consider many risks. And if you have a plan B. Let’s keep watching.
Translated from Russian.

Posted by: berthold | Mar 12 2025 14:02 utc | 387

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 12 2025 13:01 utc | 375
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I think you’ve gone a bit *too* meta there.
NATO-Stan simply isn’t that well organised nor far-sighted, and has massive internal problems.
Further when Ukraine folds there won’t be much of an insurgency. Indeed the whole concept of Ukraine will be discredited.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Mar 12 2025 14:03 utc | 388

I think Trump is genuinely ignorant and delusional here. He really thinks that the US of A is so powerful a global hegemon that it can just dictate all the other players what ever he happens to wish. That reminds me of the “unimaginably strong” missile strike to Syria with all those “shining missiles” he ordered in his first term.
All those over 100 shining Tomahawks managed to fell three corners of three storage buildings and all the splendid strike fell flat with nearly all the missiles intercepted. Now _that_ was a humiliation of first order before the world.

Posted by: Catilina | Mar 12 2025 14:07 utc | 389

Posted by: DeGaulle | Mar 12 2025 13:48 utc | 389
Yes, not owning a defeat but letting it happen… LIHOP is less provable than MIHOP
And he can, and will, return to “salvage” what can be salvageable, Even with so many casualties so far, RF would probably give a big “pass” on having to police the whole of ukraine (particularly the western oblasts)
And as I mentioned earlier, a drone cease fire might be the worst thing that could happen to the AFU, if 70%+ of all your stopping force is drones, not brilliant.

Posted by: Newbie | Mar 12 2025 14:09 utc | 390

its fairly clear that internally, various factions within the US and Europe are at odds with each other on how to proceed with the ceasefire proposal.
If there was a unified position you wouldnt get frankly wild contradictions such as the continuation of weapons deliveries, while simultaneously demanding a month long ceasefire.
Russia by contrast has a unified position on this and Putins minimum requirements for peace will remain unchanged, regardless of whatever ‘dogs dinner’ is presented to him by Rubio later today.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 12 2025 14:10 utc | 391

Putins minimum requirements for peace will remain unchanged, regardless of whatever ‘dogs dinner’ is presented to him by Rubio later today.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 12 2025 14:10 utc | 394
Am I the only one who read that it would be a plane/drone/missiles cease fire only?
Just make sure to throw in the naval drones and it’s a free for all on classic land warfare (with a naval blockade reducing major weapons delivery).

Posted by: Newbie | Mar 12 2025 14:15 utc | 392

Posted by: Catilina | Mar 12 2025 14:07 utc | 392
Re: Trump delusional
It’s possible … but I doubt it.
The math is dictating that the US must shut down Project Ukraine. Ray Dalio just warned that the US debt crisis may soon cause “shocking consequences” like selective defaults on bonds owed to countries like China.
Thanks to the CR passed by the House last night, the US is on track to spend just as much in 2025 as 2024. There are zero net cuts – any cuts to domestic agencies are offset by higher spending on defense and healthcare. SO the debt berg will grow bigger.
And that is before any disaster relief spending, like California fires or hurricanes to come.
Don’t even mention more money for Ukraine – that would also compound the problem and bring the crisis on even faster.
It’s possible Trump is not aware of this, but I doubt it. He’s bluffing, holding a couple low cards and a nine of spades, while Russia and China have all aces.
https://seekingalpha.com/news/4419810-ray-dalio-warns-u-s-debt-crisis-could-trigger-shocking-economic-consequences

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Mar 12 2025 14:19 utc | 393

Posted by: Catilina | Mar 12 2025 14:07 utc | 392
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I think that Trump’s delusion is necessary for his role.
If he didn’t believe in American Exceptionalism, he wouldn’t be President.
For me it’s the same thing as with Zelensky. You eliminate Trump or Z, and maybe stronger willed and more capable person becomes the opponent. Z and Trump have well-documented character flaws which make them relatively easy to predict.
Better the devil you know…
That’s the thing. What Trump believes cannot fix America anymore than what Z thinks will help the Ukrainian military.
Delusion is often inconsequential to historical momentum.
No amount of Yankee cope is going to level the playing field in a conflict with China. Likewise, no amount of Zionist bloodlust will extinguish the Resistance.
Some things just don’t matter.
The trick for us is to get past the moral and emotional revulsion of inconsequential evil and stupidity. I try to laugh at it.
Better than crying, IMO.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 12 2025 14:26 utc | 394

The U.S., engaged in a proxy war against Russia, wants hostilities to end but finds it is unable to halt supplying the proxy w/ weapons, because Europe, a fellow belligerent, has threatened to escalate matters cataclysmically if the U.S. does. Europe, holding the U.S. hostage to the war, threatens to blow matters sky high if the U.S. walks away.
Sec Rubio said after the Jeddah talks that “there is no military solution to this conflict.” But what he really means is that the proxy, fortified by the U.S. and Euro-partners, has no way of routing Russia militarily. What Sec Rubio really means is that the war must end because we cannot win.
The only recourse, then, is to cease, cease, cease.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 12 2025 14:28 utc | 395

DeGaulle@389….Trump was on point again yesterday….”I see the pictures” he said, “sometimes it’s 3 or 4 thousand dead per day, Ukrainian and Russian.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 12 2025 14:36 utc | 396

“I was always angry at Putin, asking why he was not going much faster.
But now I think, Putin’s wisdom was in waiting and going slowly.
The west has played all the cards, specially with Trump’s frequent U turns.
The only remaining opponent is Ukraine and it’s population still happy to die for the Western interests.”
Posted by: vargas | Mar 12 2025 13:09 utc | 378
“Has your handle been hijacked, was dinner shrooms? Are you feeling okay?”
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 12 2025 13:35 utc | 386
Either his handle has been hijacked or vargas has had a brain operation whereas his previous moronic brain was replaced by a fully functioning one…

Posted by: canuck | Mar 12 2025 14:42 utc | 397

“Arrested captain of ship is Russian national”…BBC
Well, that was a predictable narrative wasnt it. I wondered when western media wd play that card.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 12 2025 14:46 utc | 398

The RT feature mentions a few interesting details about the operation. Yes, 800 personnel involved, but likely quite a few engineering and logistics people in this total. Airways drilled to the surface at multiple points. Larger areas for supplies were created, and there were multiple exit points prepared with larger spaces for people and gear. Extensive logistical preparation over 4 months. Soldiers moved through the pipe in groups of 5, spaced out to maintain O2 levels. A truly remarkable feat.

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 12 2025 14:48 utc | 399

Not to metion the bodily waste of hundreds of soldiers that had to be dealt with while they camped out for 2 days in the pipe.

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 12 2025 14:56 utc | 400