Echoes Of The May 2 2014 Odessa Massacre
On May 4 2014 I wrote about the February coup aftermath in Ukraine:
Two days ago a mob, supported by the fascists Right Sektor, killed over 30 federalist Ukrainians in Odessa by pushing them from their camp into a building and then setting fire to it. Those who escaped the massacre, not the perpetrators, were rounded up by police. Today pro-federalism people besieged the police headquarter in Odessa until the police released those it had earlier arrested.
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The U.S. plan for Ukraine seems to be to bait Russia into an occupation. This would destroy EU-Russia relations, embolden NATO and help the U.S. to keep the EU as a secondary partner under its control. There would be lots of economic upsides for the U.S. in such a situation. Selling more arms and increasing energy market shares are only the starters.There are two reasons to believe that this plan will fail:
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Without Russian intervention and without German support the U.S. campaign against Russia is unlikely to reach its secondary target of isolating Russia. The primary target, Sevastopol harbor in Crimea, was already lost when Russia reunified with the island.What is left to do then for Washington is to create more chaos in Ukraine and to hope that somehow out of total chaos some new chance may arise to stick it to Russia. For lack of real direction that strategy is also unlikely to succeed.
I was unfortunately wrong with the last sentence though it took the U.S. eight more years to succeed.
But it is the first paragraph I what to refer to today. The current two most popular pieces on the website of Strana are echoing it (machine translation):
From the first story (machine translation):
Demyan Ganul, who was killed today in Odessa, is a well-known radical activist, a native of the "Right Sector". Later he founded his own organization "Street Front".Ganul was known since 2014, when he participated in the events of May 2, when dozens of people were killed in the House of Trade Unions. Later, he organized actions against Odessa residents, who laid flowers in honor of the burned-out anti-Maidan activists.
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Ganul is also widely known for fighting in Odessa with "imperial" and Soviet monuments - to Catherine, Pushkin, and Soviet soldiers. He disrupted concerts of Russian performers, and also harassed residents of the city who spoke out for the Russian language.Recently, Ganul actively "fought" against those who criticized the mobilization.
The most scandalous case occurred this summer, when Ganul beat up an Odessa fitness trainer after he criticized the recruiting office. After that, the coach disappeared and ended up, presumably, in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, where he was bullied and probably raped.
Ganul himself, as far as is known, did not fight and was engaged in volunteering. But not without scandals. In 2023, he was beaten up, as reported, by the military of the "Foreign Legion" - because Ganul collected money for a car, but did not give it away.
Ganul celebrated each anniversary of the May 2 massacre by posting pictures of himself eating a shashlik, i.e. burned flash.
The guy was a Nazi, a brute and a thug.
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He was shot on the street with a pistol. When he was down on the ground the killer put another bullet into his head (vid) to make sure that he was dead. The murderer then walked away.
There are many such Nazis in Ukraine who are too coward to take part in the war but 'volunteer' in support of police. They are the muscles needed to run various extortion rackets.
During his lifetime, Ganul was a scandalous person and had numerous conflicts. And not only with pro-Russian circles.The motives for Ganul's murder may not lie in the political sphere at all.
The victim has been engaged in volunteering since 2014, and also worked part-time as an "activist", organizing actions against Odessa businessmen, politicians and city authorities.
For example, he actively supported the Odessa businessman Degas, who is in conflict with the Mayor's office.
In addition, there have long been rumors in the city that Ganul is actually engaged in reket - looking for "victims" - cafes, restaurants, fitness clubs where you can find fault with something, for example, the staff speaks Russian. And then "helps" the owners of establishments.
In other words, he had many enemies. And not only for ideological reasons.
The other most popular news item at Strana relates to yesterday's judgment by the European Court for Human Rights against the authorities of Ukraine:
In the case of Vyacheslavova and Others v. Ukraine the Court held that there had been violations of the right to life/investigation on account of the authorities’ failure to do everything that could reasonably be expected of them to prevent the violence in Odesa on 2 May 2014, to stop that violence after its outbreak, to ensure timely rescue measures for people trapped in the fire, and to institute and conduct an effective investigation into the events. It also held that there had been a violation of the right to respect for private and family life in respect of one applicant concerning the delay in handing over her father’s body for burial.
The courts press release describes the struggle that led to the case:
Maidan activists started setting fire to the tents. A group of pro-Russian protesters on the roof of the Trade Union Building threw Molotov cocktails at the crowd below; pro-unity activists retaliated by throwing Molotov cocktails at the building. Gunshots were reportedly fired from both sides.Despite numerous calls to the fire brigade, which was less than 1 km away, the fire service regional head instructed his staff not to send any fire engines to Kulykove Pole without his explicit order.
At 7.45 p.m., a fire broke out in the Trade Union Building. The fire extinguishers in the building did not work. The police called the fire brigade, to no avail. Some of the people in the building including Mr Dmitriyev (application no. 59339/17) tried to escape by jumping from the upper windows. He survived the fall and was taken to an ambulance. A number of people fell to their deaths, including the son of Ms Radzykhovska (application no. 59339/17) and the son of Ms Nikitenko (application no. 47092/18). Video footage shows pro-unity protesters making makeshift ladders and platforms from a stage in the square and using them to rescue people trapped in the building. Other video footage shows pro-unity protesters attacking people who had jumped or had fallen.
The regional head of the fire service finally ordered fire engines to be sent to the scene. Fire ladders were used to rescue people from the upper-floor windows. Firefighters entered the building at around 8.30 p.m. and put out the fire. The police arrested 63 anti-Maidan activists who were still inside the building or on the roof. They were released two days later, when a group of several hundred anti- Maidan protesters stormed the local police station where they were being held.
The fire claimed 42 lives.
There are several others well know perpetrators of the May 2 massacre, like Demyan Ganul, who are still running free in Ukraine. Their unrestricted activities underline the necessity of denazification in Ukraine.
May the ECHR judgment and the death of Demyan Ganul give some solace to the victims of the May 2 2014 massacre.
Posted by b on March 14, 2025 at 14:35 UTC | Permalink
next page »This guy wasn't on the front, if all his lookalike are so, it might prolong the denazification process.
It remind me a VVP quote : to forgive the terrorists is up to God but to send them to Him is up to me.
Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 14 2025 14:50 utc | 2
It is very encouraging to know there are thousands upon thousands of such nice "Bandera-patriots" roaming free on the North American continent! https://unfcanada.ca/
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Mar 14 2025 14:53 utc | 3
But what do we know for sure about the execution?
Maybe with the human rights sentence against the kiev government he was becoming a liability.
Or maybe those in kiev that will need to sign a capitulation are paving the way by getting rid of those that might object in a forcible way to the signing.
Or even denazification good will proof..
Or maybe jut thug life leading to a typical ending.
But always a reminder that this war has been brewing for decades.
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 14 2025 15:04 utc | 4
Clean up begining?
Denazification without pointless Nuremberg show trial for the thugs?
It removes the possibility of them telling all if caught.
A warning to others.
Especially the ones with knowledge of European/US and ziofascist apartheid entity’s direct involvement. Kagan and family types.
That was a professional hit.
Shocking, just like in a gangster film.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 14 2025 15:09 utc | 5
if this doesn't demonstrate the need to ''denazify'' ukraine, i don't know what does...
thanks for highlighting this b..
Posted by: james | Mar 14 2025 15:11 utc | 6
The man who delivered the final headshot is 53 years old and in police custody. Not sure if he was arrested or turned himself in.
53 is of an age that a hypothetical son could have been sent to the front and killed.
Or maybe he is some other relative of a Trade Union victim.
The Russian diaspora in Odessa have been steadily feeding enemy target and logistic info to the Russian MOD for missile and drone strikes.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 15:15 utc | 7
https://tass.com/society/1928337
14 Mar, 14:21
Man shot dead in Odessa helped set fire to Trade Union building in 2014 — report
Ganul is a neo-Nazi and the former security chief of the Odessa cell of Right Sector (designated extremist and banned in Russia), and also the leader of the Street Front grassroots initiative
MOSCOW, March 14. /TASS/. An unidentified assailant in Odessa shot dead Ukrainian neo-Nazi Demyan Ganul, who helped set fire to the city’s Trade Union building in 2014, the RBC-Ukraine news agency reported, citing police sources.
According to the report, the assailant fled the scene after firing shots. Investigators and crime scene experts are working at the scene.
The Strana news outlet published photos of the victim and said that the tattoos on his body are proof that it indeed belonged to Ganul. According to the report, until recently Ganul was fighting with opponents of the so-called decommunization and mobilization. The news outlet Insider reported that officials introduced measures to locate the attacker. According to preliminary reports, the shooter was dressed in military uniform.
Ganul is a neo-Nazi and the former security chief of the Odessa cell of Right Sector (designated extremist and banned in Russia), and also the leader of the Street Front grassroots initiative. He was one of the organizers and perpetrators of the May 2, 2014 murders in Odessa's Trade Union building. He said on television that he did not regard the victims as people, then published ironic posts on this subject in social media. On April 9, the Moscow’s Basmanny Court ruled to arrest Ganul in absentia. He was put on an international wanted list as part of an investigation into the destruction of monuments to Russian military glory.
On May 2, 2014, radicals from Right Sector and the so-called Maidan self-defense group attacked a tent city in Odessa, where residents were collecting signatures for holding a referendum on federalization of Ukraine and designating the Russian language as official. Supporters of federalization took refuge in the Trade Union building, but the radicals surrounded the structure and set it on fire. The tragic events left 48 people dead and more than 240 injured, according to the Ukrainian Internal Affairs Ministry. The authorities blamed the riots solely on the opponents of the Maidan uprising. However, a years-long investigation failed to prove their guilt in court. As a result, all those who were initially detained were later acquitted.
On Thursday, the ECHR found the Ukrainian authorities guilty of failing to prevent violence and save lives during those events. The court unanimously ruled that there had been a violation of Article 2 (on the right to life) of the European Convention on Human Rights due to the failure of the authorities to do everything that could have been expected of them to prevent the violence, to stop the violence once it had started and to ensure timely rescue measures. In addition, it was stated that Kiev failed to conduct a proper investigation into the events.
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 14 2025 15:21 utc | 8
Yip - Ukraine definitely has a problem with Neo-Nazism - one could say the same about Latvia and Lithuania; a recap on the Odessa incident.
"The Trade Unions House had around 300 people inside that evening.
At 7:20 pm, the angry Euromaidan crowd entered the square. They moved through the abandoned camp and started throwing Molotov cocktails at the barricade in front of the Trade Unions building. Those inside responded by lobbing a few Molotov cocktails back at the attackers from the roof. It was then that a reporter who was filming everything said, “Now, they’ll definitely kill them.”
The attackers kept throwing rocks and improvised bombs at the barricade, which mostly consisted of wooden furniture and crates, and finally set it on fire. The protesters behind it retreated into the hall of the building. Later, many reports exaggerated the scope of the resistance put up by those in the Trade Unions building. Available footage shows that the attackers freely moved around the square, not needing to duck or take cover because there was no fire coming back at them.
The barricade was in flames and the attackers had set fire to the tents on the square. The whole square was full of smoke and flames. The attackers continued to hurl cocktail bombs filled with a home-made napalm mixture consisting of gasoline, acetone, and Styrofoam at the building. The holed-up protesters called the fire brigade, but no one came. The few policemen on the scene did nothing to interfere and just watched as the events unfolded.
The attackers made sure the fire didn’t die out, throwing more and more cocktail bombs into it. They even tossed in a burning car tire, while firing at the windows with anti-riot guns.
Then tragedy struck."
https://www.rt.com/russia/554860-burned-alive-2014-odessa/
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 14 2025 15:23 utc | 9
🇺🇦Nazi Ganul was liquidated by a senior lieutenant of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/142108He used a Makarov pistol. In February he left his place of service without permission, Ukrainian sources report.
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 14 2025 15:36 utc | 10
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 15:15 utc | 7
"Russian diaspora" in Odessa is not diaspora. Is Russian natives
Posted by: DS | Mar 14 2025 15:39 utc | 11
▪️Bloomberg TV: NATO Secretary General Rutte confirmed that the issue of Ukraine joining the alliance is no longer on the agenda.https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/20121
So what was it all about then? (rhetorical)
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 14 2025 15:47 utc | 12
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 13:48 utc | 330
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Ukrainian neo-Nazi Demyan Ganul, who was accused of playing a key role in the 2014 mass killings of anti-Maidan activists in Odessa was treated to point-blank street corner justice on Friday morning, 14 March, executed by a one assassin @ close range.
Graphic footage shows the even in broad daylight in the presence of numerous passersby & in range of security cameras.
Ganul led the enforcer unit of the Right Sector unit in Odessa. He was instrumental in the heinous Odessa massacre: chasing a anti-Maidan protesters into a building which was subsequently locked w/ the protesters inside and set ablaze.
More recently, Ganul has been part of a team which forcibly abducted individuals who resisted conscription.
Last July, Ganul posted pix of his attack on a fitness trainer who had insulted Ukrainian military personnel. Local reports indicated that the trainer was also sexually assaulted before being turned over to authorities.
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BTW: on 13 March, the European Court of Human Rights ordered the Ukrainian government to compensate victims of the 2014 massacre in Odessa for its failure to prevent the violence itself or to conduct a proper investigation.
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In the goosestepping sig heiling neo-Nazi *democracy* of lunatics, Ganul may already have a street named for him.
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Can pretty much guarantee most people in the West know little about the Odessa massacre, media suppression being what it is.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 15:47 utc | 13
Good news to see this guy finally get what he deserved, but more work is needed and most importantly Odessa must be liberated from the illegal Ukrainian occupation and returned to Russia where it belongs.
Posted by: Kadath | Mar 14 2025 15:47 utc | 14
Good for plaintiffs and their families, but it is too little and too late.
The ruling acknowledges a passive role of the Ukrainian authorities, in that they did not provide for active measures and did not properly investigate the case.
The problem is that evidence points at a very active role of the Ukrainian authorities. Firemen were impeded to intervene. There are videos of police acting in cahoot with ukronazis that fire with firearms at the building. And more. It looks like a well prepared punitive action to curb any "pro-Russian" and anti-Maidan activism. There are videos of Ukrainians MPs (Geraschenko) boasting their actions at the house of Trade Unions. There is evidence that ukronazis entered the building way before it was set on fire. The people on the roof that throw Molotov cocktails wear red bands, same as those outside, there are from the same party.
Justice is not made yet.
Justice will be made when it will be ruled that the Ukrainian government ordered the massacre and the perpetrators will hang.
Posted by: DS | Mar 14 2025 15:49 utc | 15
Posted by: DS | Mar 14 2025 15:39 utc | 11
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Russian natives outside of Russia are diaspora.
Last time I looked, Odessa is Ukrainian.
That may change but it is the state of reality at this time.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 15:50 utc | 16
What drives me nuts is how the American white working class is portrayed as irretrievably racist and fascist by the Dems for at least 20 years now. Meanwhile, they love Ganul and his ilk! Call them freedom fighters, noble, heroic!
So these 5th columnist Dems teach their idiot voters to hate and distrust all white American workers, but laud and enable real Nazi thugs like Ganul abroad.
They pretty much control the western media, so the American worker doesn't typically know all this and thus continues to despise himself as he has been trained. I imagine this must be incredibly amusing to the typical Zionist.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 14 2025 15:57 utc | 17
Justice will be made when it will be ruled that the Ukrainian government ordered the massacre and the perpetrators will hang.
Posted by: DS | Mar 14 2025 15:49 utc | 15
And even then barbecue would be a fitter punishment.
Though sometimes, and I know it's more expensive, to make them live whatever years they have left in the worst siberian prison might be a longer lasting punishment. Death sentence only looks cruel to brainwashed western public, in some cases it's just the way of society and some irredeemable individuals, going their separate ways in an almost painless way.
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 14 2025 15:57 utc | 18
An anti-communist killed by a Makarov pistol (party commissar's weapon). Soviet union is like punk : not dead.
Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 14 2025 16:03 utc | 19
🇺🇦 "Activist" Demyan Ganul, who yesterday beat up a gym worker in Odessa.https://t.me/ukraine_watch/25443Recall that yesterday the gym worker in Odessa cursed at a TCC employee. Soon after, Ganul published a photo in which he is standing in front of the beaten man.
The worker obscenely cursed the 'mobilizators' who came to hand out draft notices in the gym.
Ukrainian MP Dmitruk also claims that Ganul spread screenshots of the trainer's Instagram page, which contained "several posts with 'anti-Ukrainian' statements."
However, according to Dmitruk, all these posts were published after the gym worker's detention. While all previous posts on his social media were about sports and family.
Thus, it is possible that the latest posts were published by those who detained the gym worker and gained access to his social media accounts.
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 14 2025 16:04 utc | 20
Main takeaway from the removal of the chief THUG will be to hearten the ethnic Russian majority population in Odessa. More such incidents should be expected. The apparent fact that the executioner was an "off base" senior lieutenant in the UAF will also have its effect on numerous "non-volunteers in the Ukie army.
Odessa will become more and more restive. Various incidents in that key city will impress growing impetus within the Russian high command to make Odessa and the entire Black Sea littoral Russian once again. No negotiating that away.
IMHO Russia countenancing negotiations with the "agreement incapable" side is unrealistic at best.
Posted by: aristodemos | Mar 14 2025 16:06 utc | 21
page 6 of the 7 page document from the echr
"The Court noted that distortion of the events in Odesa had eventually become
a tool of Russian propaganda in respect of the war waged by the Russian Federation against Ukraine
since February 2022. Enhanced transparency in the related investigative work by the Ukrainian
authorities might have helped to prevent or counteract that propaganda effectively."
you have to click where it says 'press release' and download a 7 page pdf to see this..
Posted by: james | Mar 14 2025 16:07 utc | 22
It remind me a VVP quote : to forgive the terrorists is up to God but to send them to Him is up to me.
Posted by: Savonarole | Mar 14 2025 14:50 utc | 2
There's a similar quote in the US:
"Forgiving them is God's function. Our job is simply to arrange the meeting."
Posted by: Mary | Mar 14 2025 16:09 utc | 23
The fact that it took over 10 years for the ECHR to issue an opinion while the Ukrainian authorities never prosecuted anyone is telling. If Russia gains control of Odessa then perhaps there will be justice for the perpetrators. The West never raised a finger when the ATO began and merely claimed that the Donbass uprising was a 'Russian invasion' of Ukraine. MH17.... It's all a terrible sickness.
For anyone who hasn't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hgeZilgRCU
Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 14 2025 16:16 utc | 24
Speaks for itself.
President Trump has revealed Friday that he has held the second phone call of his current administration with Russian President Vladimir Putin on the prospect of ending the Ukraine war. The call, held Thursday, included a plea by Trump for Russia to spare the lives of Ukrainian soldiers currently surrounded in the Kursk region. Such a direct appeal like this by Trump is unprecedented.
-HeroZ (hint:flip the caps)
Posted by: Otto Penn | Mar 14 2025 16:17 utc | 25
🔘 The killer of the Odessa Nazi thug Ganul turned out to be a 46-year-old serviceman who went AWOLhttps://t.me/ukraine_watch/38412He left his unit without authorization less than a month ago — on February 23. According to preliminary information from Ukrainian media, his name is Serhiy Shalaev, and his military rank is senior lieutenant.
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 14 2025 16:19 utc | 26
There's a similar quote in the US:
"Forgiving them is God's function. Our job is simply to arrange the meeting."
Posted by: Mary | Mar 14 2025 16:09 utc | 23
Someone came up with that one and , falsely, it was attributed to Gen. Schwarzkopf
Gen. Schwarzkopf does have one, unconfirmed, that suddenly made me remember all the times that Z has promised to fight to the last ukranian.
In October 2001, former Gen. Schwarzkopf was supposedly asked how it was possible to fight an enemy willing and ready to die for his cause. His answer: "Accommodate him."
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 14 2025 16:21 utc | 27
Trump had asked Putin to spare 1000s of Ukrainian soldiers surrounded in Kursk. Putin has declared all Ukrainian soldiers in Kursk to be terrorists. They should not be spared, after so many terrorist events in Russia, like crocus.
In addition to avoiding the ceasefire Putin should put everyone they can convict of terrorism in Kursk, and there's a lot of evidence of Ukrainian war crimes, on trial. Publicly and and execute them specifically as a repudiation of the Geneva convention.
Russia needs to play tough and less legalisticly. No one cares about international, unenforceable, laws.
Russia needs to respond not with oreshniks, which are pin point and very expensive, but with full war. Mobilization and attacks across the whole border until a 70km security zone is established across the northern border. Ukraine has nothing across the quiet zones. If Russia has reserves they need to move across everything all at once.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 14 2025 16:22 utc | 28
What w/ media suppression one might believe that events like this will languish in history's dustbin, forever buried & lost---and that even if b, w/ his MoA reach, writes about them of course the suppressant media will not take them up.
Let's say the suppressant media will not *by their own volition* focus on the realities of the Odessa Massacre. It is only when the mask slips enough that they will be *forced* to report them.
But historians to this day continue to search through the ricordanze in the cellars under the Uffizi Gallery in Florence, checking through the registers of births, baptisms, marital dowries and the like from the early 1500s, assembling stories of historical accuracy about how ordinary people lived in the Renaissance.
Therefore, documenting information of events we know about, like the Odessa Massacre, on sites like this are ways to contribute to those someday-historians who will want to discover more about a proxy war between two Great Powers, which played out lopsidedly in an info-suppressant, heavily censored environment: what did people say about it--? how much did they know--? who found out and when--?
I know it may be cold comfort in the Here & Now.
The Regime Media won't go near the Odessa Massacre until they *can't* any longer suppress it.
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Meanwhile, we document here and elsewhere, propagating what we know about the things the media can't say, or refuses to say. In this, we imitate the plenitude of nature, all around us an abundance, an excess, which ensures & fulfills the generative essence of nature itself.
Analogy: think of the maize stalk, which produces 3 or 4 ears of corn, each of which contains hundreds of kernels which could *conceivably* bear fruit. (Pun intended.)
Not ever corn kernel that falls on the soil will germinate, however---but *one* might. This is nature's in-built manner of safeguard regeneration.
So w/ our notes & musings. Will a someday-historian dig up this post--? There's no way to know. In imitating nature in its plenitude, however, we ensure that some note or musing survives and bears fruit ultimately in how an unbiased historian, someday, will come to understand the proxy war and the entire ecosystem of Project Ukraine.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 16:29 utc | 30
Trump had asked Putin to spare 1000s of Ukrainian soldiers surrounded in Kursk. Putin has declared all Ukrainian soldiers in Kursk to be terrorists. They should not be spared, after so many terrorist events in Russia, like crocus.
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I don't think Trump was sincerely asking for mercy.
He's got the largest megaphone on the planet and he just told everyone that Russia is winning and that Ukraine is losing manpower.
Trump's social media posts bypass the Fake News filters to convey simple ideas (deliberately out of context).
Trump is a master marketer, propagandist, and communicator.
Please, please, please stop taking everything he says literally.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 16:29 utc | 31
Then there is the fake news of children being kidnapped and moved into Russia and the fake massacre Bucha, that was carried out by Azov thugs and then blamed on Russia. Both stories show how venal the Western MSM has become.
Posted by: HandSignals4TheBlind | Mar 14 2025 16:34 utc | 32
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Mar 14 2025 14:53 utc | 3
Those groups could lead to some complications in the future in North America. There is a monument to Bandera and Shushkevych in Ellensville, NY. Sow the wind.
Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 14 2025 16:36 utc | 33
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 14 2025 16:22 utc | 28
That is calling for a disaster.
Notice, it would be similar to the AFU Kursk adventure.
Posted by: Mario | Mar 14 2025 16:37 utc | 34
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 14 2025 16:22 utc | 28
RE: sparing the lives of terrorists in Kursk
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Only blood can change the color of history.
The Geneva Convention, which VVP cited, is unsparingly clear about matters pertaining to terrorists.
DJT knows how to end this conflict, but he can't because...
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A war, once launched, does not take sides
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 16:43 utc | 35
@lovedonbass
Re: taking what trump says seriously.
I don't. I use my for lack of a better word, truthsense, to determine what is important.
In this case it's a direct parallel to trading soldiers from avostal in Mariuopal for Pows. Based on the equipment lost by ukraine there are many soldiers left in Kursk as well. These people committed war crimes and have incriminating, inconvenient evidence as well.
Trump has been partially captured by Ukrainian bribery schemes by now. Same way Trump held up the deep state with Doge. He's acting on bribes for the Ukrainian state to get those guys out before they spill the beans.
The situation is complicated.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 14 2025 16:51 utc | 36
If you do evil, your world becomes smaller.
If you do good, your world becomes larger.
The world for the "west" and NATO is shrinking.
That of Russia, China and BRICS is enlarging.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Mar 14 2025 17:13 utc | 37
This also merits being posted to this thread too:
Here's what Putin said today at his Security Council Meeting:
President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Colleagues, good Evening!We will begin work, and today we have the planned issue of restoring Russian-American relations.
We know that the new administration, led by President Trump, is doing everything to restore at least some of what was practically reduced to zero, destroyed by the previous US administration. This process is not easy, if not difficult. Nevertheless, as everyone knows, I had a telephone conversation with President Trump, and our Foreign Minister had the first contacts with his American counterpart, and Russian presidential aide [Yury] Ushakov met with his counterparts. So, in general, the situation is beginning to move. Let's see what will come of it. We will deal with this topic today. We have two speakers: Sergei Lavrov and Sergei Naryshkin Evgenievich.
But before we start work, I would like to say that we have read today's address by the President of the United States, Mr. Trump, to spare the lives of servicemen of the Ukrainian army, whose units are blocked by Russian troops in the zone of the invasion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Kursk region.
In this regard, Please note that Ukrainian militants committed in the invasion zone numerous crimes against the civilian population. These deeds, like I have already said that the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation qualifies as terrorism.
At the same time, we understand President Trump's call to be guided by humanitarian considerations with regard to these troops. In this I emphasize that in the event of laying down their arms and surrendering, they will be life and dignified treatment in accordance with the norms are guaranteed international law and the laws of the Russian Federation.
For the effective implementation of the call of the President of the United States, an appropriate order is needed from the military-political leadership of Ukraine to lay down their arms and surrender.
I suggest Let's move on to the agenda for which we have gathered today. You are welcome the floor is given to Sergei Lavrov. [My Emphasis]
It's really annoying when the entire context isn't told and BS gets spun from what is provided. As of last night's reports, most Ukie troops are already out of Kursk, while some remain isolated in the forests. I must agree with Putin that if the Ukie troops want to live then they must surrender wherever they are. Unfortunately, that's an order only Zelensky can give, and we all know he won't.
- This kind of actions are the reason why Ukrainians are fleeing from their country. Do combine that with the very large corruption and one can understand why the birth rate in the Ukraine is so low. Right now the ukrainian birth rate is the lowest in the history of the country.
- I guess Zelensky is fearing this kind of thugs the most. That's why Zelensky doesn't want to admit defeat and give in to the russian demands. It's time for Zelensky to pack his bags, leave the country and start living in Italy.
Posted by: WMG | Mar 14 2025 17:22 utc | 39
Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 14 2025 16:36 utc | 33
The same could be said about W. Europe. As your link shows, they imported a fair share of E. European Nazi collaborators after WW2, and then brought in some more 3 years ago. On top of it, many of them have a steadily growing domestic neonazi problem (which might be why they all got encouraged by their own governments to join in with Banderastan's international brigades)...
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Mar 14 2025 17:24 utc | 40
@karlof
Re: captured/surrounded Ukrainian troops
I read that 480 Ukrainians were captured in kursk in addition to others left behind in what is increasingly appearing to be a drop everything and run rout the newer and more useful vehicles we're left in running order or lightly damaged. If the retreat was orderly that wouldn't have happened.
Nonetheless those 480 captured troops are enough provide war crimes evidence. Calls to release them are highly informative.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 14 2025 17:25 utc | 41
41 - At least one Abrams tank was captured, apparently undamaged or lightly damaged.
Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 14 2025 17:28 utc | 42
Bridge layer from Germany and new cv90 from sweden
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 14 2025 17:29 utc | 43
As well as whole convoys at destroyed bridges too. It was a massacre timed with Ukrainian attacks around povrosk and torestk. Those guys waited in the pipes for the rotation.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 14 2025 17:31 utc | 44
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 14 2025 15:57 utc | 17
The Dems in the US aren't "5th collumnists" since they have not been part of the left to begin with; the 5th collumn is typically signifies traitors within a certain movement or a cause. The DNC has been extremely anti-leftist in everything that matters for decades.
In fact, the closeness of the neoliberal right-wing of the prog variety with neo-Nazis (or Islamofascist jihadists, for that matter) is genuine in regard to the spirit of said ideologies. All neoliberals, whether socially progs or conservos, are possessed by an absolutist mentality and consider themselves justified to commit any acts without any compunction whatsoever against those who oppose them.
Of course, in the western world the domiant trend is fascism with American characteristics; that is, it is of the utmost importance to maintain a facade of democracy and individual rights. But when the system is tested, domestically or internationally, the neoliberal vermin - progs or conservos - show their true colours.
A splendid example is that of Canada, where they trashed all opposition to the COVID measures as far-rightist, while they brought NOT by mistake a literal Nazi veteran of the 14th Waffen SS in their parliament, cheering for him in genuine sincerity (he represents their values after all). They backpewdalled when a couple of Jewish organizations called them out, but not before.
THe need to maintain appearances is why the western leftists are hampered by various lickspittles of the neoliberal imperialist regime, represented here by various posters. They used to be traditionally of the anarcho-Trotskist variety, but in recent years some have pose as hardocore commie Stalinists. Yet, they easily out themselves since they are always triggered by denunciations of and attacks against identity politics.
Keep the western left in a permanent state of elitist isolation from society, champion extreme identity politics and co-incidentally carry water for neoliberal parties and imperialists of the prog variety. That's their shtick.
Posted by: Constantine | Mar 14 2025 17:33 utc | 45
😁🇺🇦 The most interesting thing, Odessans write, is that today in Odessa a trolleybus was stopped because passengers, having heard the news about the murder of the Nazi Ganul, who terrorized all of Odessa, were so happy that at first the driver did not understand what had happened.https://t.me/ZandVchannel/146524They simply knew what the rural boor Ganul, who terrorized the city, meant to Odessa.
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 14 2025 17:36 utc | 46
Calls to release them are highly informative.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 14 2025 17:25 utc
As another barfly said: 20 years in "Sunny Siberia" (Andrei Martyanov) are probably worse.
Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Mar 14 2025 17:36 utc | 47
As my father said; "you can always identify a true Nazi, he's the guy furthest from the front line".
Posted by: S Brennan | Mar 14 2025 17:37 utc | 48
Warfare has reached a new dimension in the Belarusian Republic.
Earlier today, at the Russian’s Federation Council (upper house of parliament ) Mr. Alexander Grigoryevich Lukashenko (AGL) delivered a decisive speech where he has agreed with the Russian president to defend their common Fatherland and promise to take any decisive countermeasure to threats from any foreign actor and state in Eastern Europe including the [rabies] canines in the Baltics.
Russian-made Oreshnik intermediate-range hypersonic ballistic missile systems will enter service with the Belarusian army soon.
The Republic of Belarus plans to complete the production of launchers for Oreshnik missiles by the end of the year.
In addition to this, Minsk and Moscow are developing a new ultra-high-resolution satellite where the components have been designed and engineered by the Belarusian army and the Russian Federation will provide the platform which is almost complete.
Posted by: pepe | Mar 14 2025 17:39 utc | 49
🇺🇦👉🏴☠️ In this video, the indigenous inhabitants of Odessa are trying to expel the Nazi bastard from Odessa and threaten him and his gang with murder.https://t.me/ZandVchannel/146525Demyan Vadimovich Ganul b. Born on October 6, 1993, Novoselitsa village, Golovanovsky district, Kirovograd region of Ukraine.
He came to Odessa with his gang after the Maidan to establish Nazi rules in the city.He called himself an Odessa activist.
Zelensky's favorite.
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 14 2025 17:42 utc | 50
41 - At least one Abrams tank was captured, apparently undamaged or lightly damaged.
Posted by: Waldorf | Mar 14 2025 17:28 utc | 42
Even Forbes is running that one (nasty ukies waste pretty western marvelous weapons, bad ukies)
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Calls to release them are highly informative.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 14 2025 17:25 utc
As another barfly said: 20 years in "Sunny Siberia" (Andrei Martyanov) are probably worse.
Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Mar 14 2025 17:36 utc | 47
Guess I'm the guilty party on that one, but I meant in the worst siberian camp ever, and never mentioned 20 years, I said whatever years they were able to survive there (but making sure the only way they could kill themselves would be by drowning in the latrines) :D
Posted by: Newbie | Mar 14 2025 17:44 utc | 51
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Mar 14 2025 15:47 utc | 13
See also:
https://tass.com/society/1928337
Shocking images:
https://x.com/BowesChay/status/1900535805573038501
b and barflies! At the launch of the SMO, FEB/2022, Putin gave a LONG SPEECH that was subtitled by Sputnik-News into all living and literary languages on the Planet! When Putin talks about the "Odessa Massacre", he slams his fist on the table, saying: WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND WE WILL GET THEM. Therefore, there is no chance that Odessa will not return to Russia. The military path is harmful to that historic city; self-determination will be the ideal path, as well as for the whole of Novorossiya.
Posted by: Elber | Mar 14 2025 17:47 utc | 52
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 14 2025 16:22 utc | 28
Trump had asked Putin to spare 1000s of Ukrainian soldiers surrounded in Kursk. Putin has declared all Ukrainian soldiers in Kursk to be terrorists.
<= does Trump have the strength to force Ukraine, EU and NATO to cease and desist. to lay down their arms and to surrender their nations and their armies to Russia.. in exchange for the lives Trump apparently wants Putin to save?
Can Putin get away with saving those lives in light of the apparent atrocities Russia is claiming these troops engaged in during their incursions into Kursk. ?
very interesting development..
talking about a negotiating point. ?
How would you respond if you were Russia?
Posted by: snake | Mar 14 2025 17:51 utc | 53
The first screening of p.o.ws is to establish who is a native Russian speaker and who is not.
There will be very few mercenaries fluent in Russian language, culture, humour and idiom.
There will obviously also be attempts by invasion forces to steal civilian clothes.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Mar 14 2025 17:58 utc | 54
Putin just said following:
-all AFU in Kursk are designated terrorists
-all foreign mercenaries will be shot
-takes into notice Trump's call for humane treatment, but this cannot be fulfilled without an order from Kiev regime for surrender
Essentially, it seems Putin kicked the ball back to Nato's court.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 14 2025 18:01 utc | 55
German TV reports
That Russian soldiers have apparently received orders NOT to fire on withdrawing Ukrainian soldiers!
Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 14 2025 18:03 utc | 56
@lex talionis | Mar 14 2025 16:36 utc | 33.
Dyna mite is available for a date.
Simply need a Maidan match under a lovely white an' blue moon tonight.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 14 2025 18:04 utc | 57
German TV reports
That Russian soldiers have apparently received orders NOT to fire on withdrawing Ukrainian soldiers!
Posted by: Ost Rentner | Mar 14 2025 18:03 utc | 56
No worries, the invisible north koreans will finish them off or if not them, ukrainian barrier troops will take care of it, like they shelled retreating AFU in Sudzha with cluster munitions days ago.
Posted by: 5thcolumn | Mar 14 2025 18:12 utc | 58
Update: Before 2022 Ukraine’s mineral reserves worth amounted to $25.678 trillion. In 2023, that number dropped to $14.770 trillion (after 40% went to Russia). Then in 2024 it was $13.456 trillion. Right now is roughly $10.714 trillion ($0.040 trillion drop in 3 weeks). Further expansion of the Russian army [Sumy Oblast is next] will bring that figure to $10.160 trillion [ $0.554 trillion further to go]. However Ukraine losses during the war and cost of reconstruction requires injection of $5.435 trillion [to go into the fund], leaving the remaining $4.695 trillion for Ukrainian’s new NATO where the British Empire and the EU are taking the lead with its construction. The US of A will get nothing but a future war with the Russian Federation which is extremely dangerous and possibly the final solution to the Outlaw US of A empire.
In turn, the loss for the Americans is mounting after Captain DJT introduced tariffs on China, Canada and Mexico totalling $1.5 trillion. In other words, DJT is asking Americans to surrender. Added to the $10.160 trillion above Americans are now liable for $11.660 trillion or more than $34,000 per capita. This of course excludes the huge national debt worth $35+ trillion and growing.
Posted by: pepe | Mar 14 2025 18:16 utc | 59
Until Ukraine capitulates totally, Ukrainian soldier’s immediate future is probably better if they surrender to the `Russians than if they go back to the Ukrainian lines and are forced back into battle by a fat, bald, tattooed Ukrainian Nazi safely ensconced in the rear.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Mar 14 2025 18:18 utc | 60
(...)
How would you respond if you were Russia?
Posted by: snake | Mar 14 2025 17:51 utc | 53
***
snake, thank you for this kind of comment, with tricky questions that instigate our neurons!
My answer is that I would do exactly what Putin is doing! Never close the door and throw away the key! Trump's return was one of the consequences of SMO! Trump is an asset, an achievement of Putin! And Trump and the entire MAGA know this very well (here, in this bar, very well represented by Paranaense, CullenBaker et al).
By the way, check out the following poster by Cullen Baker in the current Ukraine thread! Go ahead! I won't transcribe it here, because I'm a Brazilian born, I live in Brazil and I have nothing to do with MAGA!
Posted by: CullenBaker | Mar 14 2025 12:56 utc | 318
I just emphasize the MAGA CullenBaker metaphor for those who still don't understand the magnitude of the ceasefire negotiations. TRUMP FORCED UKRAINE TO ASK FOR AN ARMISTICE; that is a Trump achievement, a huge success, an extremely valuable fact, that IS BEING UNDERESTIMATED HERE AT THE BAR. The current phase is a piece of cake! Putin and Trump will grind their enemies (UK, EU, Zelensky et al) to a pulp, just as Wojtyla and Reagan joined forces to dismantle the Warsaw Pact and the USSR, without a single shot being fired!
Posted by: Elber | Mar 14 2025 18:19 utc | 61
Posted by: Elber | Mar 14 2025 18:19 utc
Good point. Still, I don't hold my breath.
Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Mar 14 2025 18:25 utc | 62
Posted by: Elber | Mar 14 2025 18:19 utc | 61
>>>>
Ronald Wilson Reagan (RWR) is dead and so is his ideology.
The reverse phycology US of A is playing out by falsely creating enemies that they do not exist, does not longer works.
Posted by: pepe | Mar 14 2025 18:26 utc | 63
I am paraphrasing from memory so if any wish to correct me, please. It would be many hours of video to review. I am referencing the Oliver Stone interview with Putin. Putin notes that Ukraine always had a relatively high level of communal violence and even Stalin did not fully control it. Then says that in every village, in every neighborhood in Ukraine everyone knows which families fought with the Red Army and which fought for Nazis and Banderas. And that ultimately there would be a settling of scores. It might be many years before score settling began in earnest, it would happen. And there was no imaginable reason he would wish to be involved.
It begins now. Putin did not avoid what he feared.
Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 14 2025 18:27 utc | 64
If anyone is interested in learning more about Ganul’s extortion activities, read this:
The face of Ukrainian Odessa: How Ganul turned the city at the sea into hunting grounds (Regnum, Aleksandr Shchyogolev, October 28, 2024 — in Russian)
Posted by: S | Mar 14 2025 18:28 utc | 65
@ #6:
if this doesn't demonstrate the need to ''denazify'' ukraine, i don't know what does...
That was a long overdue part of the denazification.
Well done, I'd say.
Posted by: Chrisssie | Mar 14 2025 18:31 utc | 66
What I remember from European history is that when war ends is when settling accounts begins.
Posted by: Passerby | Mar 14 2025 18:33 utc | 67
Zelenskiy seems eager to end up like Ganul.
“Putin is lying about the real situation on the battlefield,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy wrote on X. “He is doing everything possible to ensure that diplomacy fails.”
Posted by: too scents | Mar 14 2025 18:38 utc | 68
I suppose President Trump’s sudden “concern” about the fate of Ukrainian troops caught in the Kursk pocket has nothing to do whatsoever with the presence of ship-dipped NATO personnel there.
As springtime in the Northern Hemisphere establishes itself it becomes more difficult to organise convincing skiing accidents...
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 14 2025 18:40 utc | 69
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 14 2025 15:57 utc | 17 It is...interesting...that a post on a fascist atrocity turns into a defense of the Golden Age under George W. and an attack on Democrats, rather than fascists. America First was very Republican and its biggest star, Lindbergh, was Republican too. But it's better covert right-wing politics for a Trotskyite wrecker to avoid criticizing the acceptance of the fascist Maidan coup by certain unnamed parties.
Posted by: Constantine | Mar 14 2025 17:33 utc | 45 This more conservative poster superficially demurs, defending the DNC against charges of leftism. Apparently the important dividing line for this person is wokism. This leads to a post attacking Democrats on the correct grounds, their evil thinking on other issues than neoliberalism, capitalism/imperialism, etc., namely extremist identity politics. This is a self-exposure, as it is the Nazis who are the extremist identity politics exemplars. Their descendants in Ukraine are extremist about Ukrainian identity, after all. Again, it is...interesting...that a post on a fascist atrocity inspires an attack on the obnoxious identity politics of non-fascists.
If you remember it was the fascists in Ukraine who decided that ethnic Russians/Russian speakers were no longer the Ukrainian identity, then that raises the issue of national self-determination favors Russia. The right of nations to self-determination must include the right to national unity, despite any reactionary notions about the sacredness of existing borders (in practice, excepting when the US favors it.) But people like this don't favor keeping bourgeois democracy until it gets replaced by something better (in practice, favoring Trump.) Since fascism is not even a thing in their eyes, of course the actual post is of no interest. Personally, I say that Ukraine being fascist is yet another reason to favor Russia.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Mar 14 2025 18:40 utc | 70
Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 14 2025 18:04 utc | 57
There are many more. Petain in NYC
I certainly don't advocate attacking the monuments. The videos of all the BLM stuff annoyed me. Perhaps that's because their iconoclasm seemed insincere and done for the camera.
I guess there's nothing wrong with a moonlight visit to honor the dead, though.
Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 14 2025 18:41 utc | 71
*ship-dipped should of course have been sheep-dipped; always happens when one forgets to preview...
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 14 2025 18:42 utc | 72
And who is accused of crimes against humanity? Do you guess?
Yes, it is Russia. Disparitions and killing and torturing civilians.
Fucking liars!
Posted by: Naive | Mar 14 2025 18:49 utc | 73
@ oldhippie | Mar 14 2025 18:27 utc | 64
an important observation.. thanks for the reminder here.. most people don't get beyond tribalism..
Posted by: james | Mar 14 2025 18:52 utc | 74
@lex talionis | Mar 14 2025 18:41 utc | 71
Thanks for the link.
I was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek ... that said I detest fascism ... and fascism is where late financial capitalism is heading ... and is well on its way ... one only has to look around.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 14 2025 18:57 utc | 75
Russian natives outside of Russia are diaspora.Last time I looked, Odessa is Ukrainian.
That may change but it is the state of reality at this time.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 15:50 utc | 16
Citizenship and ethnicity are two different things. Odessa was a Russian city up until Lenin's folly of 1922. Most of the population can speak Russian, even if they do not openly acknowledge it or report it on census forms.
With Minsk 1-2, Ukraine had the opportunity to amend the Constitution become an officially bilingual country, with a Federation of Oblasts. This has worked to reconcile historic French/English conflicts in Canada for over 150 years.
What combination of hubris, ego and sociopathy (not to forget external influence) caused Ukraine not to implement Minsk 1-2, will be the subject of debate for decades.
What is more bizarre is that not one of our Canadian politicians championed bilingual federalism as the best path forward for Ukraine.
Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Mar 14 2025 19:03 utc | 76
@ oldhippie | Mar 14 2025 18:27 utc | 64
From micro to macro, we are a species born of/for conflict and of the everlasting pursuit of supremacy, no matter the cost to the illusionary concept of "HUMANITY".
Posted by: maja | Mar 14 2025 19:07 utc | 77
Some remarks.
Out of respect for the brave dead you owe it to be right.
Last I heard there were 47 dead, not 30.
Also that court is European so biased.
Even if they blame the ukros for killing them it provides an excuse of the protesters throwing molotovs.
AFAIK it was exclusively the other way.
Why would a small group, that was vastly outnumbered by rabid armed fascist, especially bussed in from Lviv, escalate by throwing molotovs?
They already had to flee and feared for their lives.
All I saw on video were these thugs arriving in Odessa, with guns and throwing molotovs.
Later shooting at people trying to escape.
All this with the help of police.
I know you don't want to whitewash fascists but this court provided only a limited admission of guilt for the nazis and puts substantial blame on the victims. Don't validate it.
They knew they had to adress this someday since there are plenty dammaging videos and evidence and people won't forget such a loathsome act.
It is pure dammage control by seemingly showing transparency and accountability while distorting the truth.
Posted by: Ed Bernays | Mar 14 2025 19:07 utc | 78
“Putin is lying about the real situation on the battlefield,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy wrote on X. “He is doing everything possible to ensure that diplomacy fails.”
Posted by: too scents | Mar 14 2025 18:38 utc | 68
If Zelensky's second sentence is true, then Putin is not lying (first sentence).
Posted by: Elber | Mar 14 2025 19:10 utc | 79
Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 14 2025 18:57 utc | 75
I figured. I was, too. I'm only a tough guy when I'm behind the keyboard. And even then...
I don't feel like getting on Myrovets when they activate the OUN-Z cells they probably have scattered throughout the US and Canada. I never advocate for anything beyond a strongly worded internet post.
But we can still dream, right?
Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 14 2025 19:12 utc | 80
certainly made sure he was dead...
https://bsky.app/profile/thebotler.bsky.social/post/3lkdnk7zrps2i
Posted by: andy | Mar 14 2025 19:14 utc | 81
Russia needs to play tough and less legalisticly. No one cares about international, unenforceable, laws.Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 14 2025 16:22 utc | 28
Sure Demyan Ganul didn't care much of international law, and probably thought one should care even less. A bit like you, in fact.
Posted by: Leuk | Mar 14 2025 19:25 utc | 82
pepe | Mar 14 2025 17:39 utc | 49
Belarus does not control Oreshnik or the nukes or anything, Nato is perfectly safe to blow them up at least as much as they blow up Russia. Maybe they have other secret deals, the public info on the agreements is not interesting
Posted by: rk | Mar 14 2025 19:27 utc | 83
The NATO/Nazi plan is to push this unconditional ceasefire through followed by a further ‘final’ deal which will involve British and French ‘peacekeepers’ running around the rump state stirring up disorder for the RF across the border.
With that in mind why the hell would the RF sign any form of deal with these scumbags.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Mar 14 2025 19:30 utc | 84
Posted by: Constantine | Mar 14 2025 17:33 utc | 45
Well said.
Conclusions I have independently reached and share. The identity politics obsession has undermined any genuine leftist belief and this was driven deliberately, in a top down way to disrupt genuine leftist activity..see Corbyn..and replace them with fascist cutouts...see Starmer. Fascists that just happen to be Israeli lickspittles.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Mar 14 2025 19:38 utc | 85
THIS IS ALL BOLLOX! There were no molotov cocktails thrown from the building by those inside under seige.
I remember at the time a video appeared on the internet showing a group of teenage girls not far from the building filling bottles with fuel and stuffing rags in the top. It was like a production line; then men would come along and take the bottles to the building. All these girls were filmed, and their faces were clear. None have been arrested, although I read a few years later one of them had committed suicide.
Those shooting the poor victims climbing out of windows were also clearly shown.
HOW KIEV HAS GOT AWAY WITH THIS CRIME FOR ALL THESE YEARS IS UNBELIEVABLE.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 14 2025 19:42 utc | 86
Posted by: WMG | Mar 14 2025 17:22 utc | 39
We have enough of our own idiots/Nazis in Italy.
Zelensky is a product of US/UK, it's their task to properly dispose him.
Posted by: Mario | Mar 14 2025 19:48 utc | 87
As springtime in the Northern Hemisphere establishes itself it becomes more difficult to organise convincing skiing accidents...Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 14 2025 18:40 utc | 69
There will be a remarkable increase in climbing accidents.
Posted by: Avtonom | Mar 14 2025 19:51 utc | 88
Posted by: rk | Mar 14 2025 19:27 utc | 83
###########
Luka's office made a statement today that they are fitted with Oreshnik now.
Did you ever remember who Putin traded the Azov captives for?
Hint: He might become the future President of Ukraine.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 19:52 utc | 89
@NeofeudalFuture
Trump had asked Putin to spare 1000s of Ukrainian soldiers surrounded in Kursk. Putin has declared all Ukrainian soldiers in Kursk to be terrorists. They should not be spared, after so many terrorist events in Russia, like crocus.
They're soldiers and should be treated as such: killed if fighting, taken prisoners if they surrender. They're useful for intelligence gathering, swapping with Russian POWs, and if Russia starts shooting uniformed Ukrainian soldiers, Ukrainians will be more likely to return the favour.
Posted by: observer | Mar 14 2025 19:54 utc | 90
Arrest and interrogation (subtitles in English) of the alleged killer of Demyan Ganul. Is it true?
https://x.com/Uncensorednewsw/status/1900603053906292901
Posted by: Elber | Mar 14 2025 19:58 utc | 91
Pretty brutal end. Did the gun jam? Was he aiming for the medulla oblongata? Looks like nerve was severed with the jerk? A bit like the throat shot on JFK which damaged his spinal column.
Posted by: Cavery | Mar 14 2025 20:03 utc | 92
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mar 14 2025 18:40 utc | 69
Nahh. They have incidents when skying in New Zealand. 😉
Posted by: Mario | Mar 14 2025 20:04 utc | 93
b
Your earlier post about Ukraine which you referenced was prescient. Very impressive.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 14 2025 20:10 utc | 94
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 14 2025 15:57 utc | 17 It is...interesting...that a post on a fascist atrocity turns into a defense of the Golden Age under George W. and an attack on Democrats, rather than fascists. America First was very Republican and its biggest star, Lindbergh, was Republican too. But it's better covert right-wing politics for a Trotskyite wrecker to avoid criticizing the acceptance of the fascist Maidan coup by certain unnamed parties.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Mar 14 2025 18:40 utc | 70
Yep. We're enemies, Steve.
You're just upset because unlike many workers, I can see who is responsible for currently promoting racism: the Dems. Trump is merely a reaction to their promotion of racial division amongst workers. Hed be nothing without their racist bourgeois idpol.
Lindbergh? Bush? Who the fuck are you responding to? I don't endorse either, nor did I mention them. Another trick of the Dems: if you call them out then they slander you as a fascist, precisely as you did here.
I present you with the black spot, crypto Dem. You're marked.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 14 2025 20:11 utc | 95
b and barflies! At the launch of the SMO, FEB/2022, Putin gave a LONG SPEECH that was subtitled by Sputnik-News into all living and literary languages on the Planet! When Putin talks about the "Odessa Massacre", he slams his fist on the table, saying: WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND WE WILL GET THEM. Therefore, there is no chance that Odessa will not return to Russia. The military path is harmful to that historic city; self-determination will be the ideal path, as well as for the whole of Novorossiya.Posted by: Elber | Mar 14 2025 17:47 utc | 52
Ok now we need to have a serious conversation between adults.
What's with this weird fixation over Odessa ? Dear barflies : there is absolutely no realistic scenario in which Odessa becomes part of Russia.
Brutal fact (sorry !) : after 3 years of war, Russia is exactly around 45 km west of Donetsk. They are stuck on the other side of the Dnipro, and after the Dnipro there are a lot of other rivers to cross.
I, and a few others, have been repeating this ad nauseam for three years. In three years I have seen the most extraordinary amount of bullshit over Odessa. It looks like a real magnet for trolls, crazies, delusional of all stripes of colors. We've heard
- that Russia would do an operation Overlord (that was two years ago, before Ukraine cleaned the BSF)
- that Russia would push from Kherson out (oops, that was when Russia still was in Kherson)
- that somehow magically, Ukraine would collapse and Russia would do a gigantic big arrow offensive from the North
- and so on and so on..
Right now the scenario seems to be as follows : one day we will wake up and learn that Zelensky has fled, the Ukrainian military is in disarray, and people will welcome Russia with flowers in the street. Then, the Russians will just do a bum's rush from Sumy to Odessa (a few hundred kilometers south), encountering no resistance whatsoever. NATO will just shrug and say, with a wry smile : "well done chaps. Guess it's time to bow down gracefully and accept defeat". And Odessa will live happily ever after.
I mean... Are you guys sniffing glue all the time, or do you take a break every so often ?
Posted by: Micron | Mar 14 2025 20:12 utc | 96
Posted by: Constantine | Mar 14 2025 17:33 utc | 45
Thanks, but I am well aware the Dems are not left. I also know what a 5th columnist is. To the extent that the Dems are Zionists and put that nations interests over that of the US, they fit the bill. They also have folks like Vindman who do the same in relation to Ukraine.
I like you Constantine, but this one was a might condescending.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Mar 14 2025 20:16 utc | 97
The news about Ganul gives me a nice warm and fuzzy feeling. I think I'll celebrate with a single malt off the top shelf.
Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 14 2025 20:18 utc | 98
Strange the ex military assassin made no attempt to hide his identity and targeted where CCTV was? But maybe he had to approach as he did to not create suspicion......the victim might had security staff that let him through because of that.Feels personal...whether he might be safer in prison than in the front line......
Posted by: Jo | Mar 14 2025 20:19 utc | 99
Observer @ 90:
One complication is that many Ukrainian soldiers trapped in Kursk have committed war crimes there and they will have to answer for those crimes in separate cases brought against them.
There is also the issue that some if not all of these trapped soldiers were recruited or drafted from prisons where they were serving sentences for serious crimes. It's likely that they were drafted by the AFU deliberately because of their particular criminal backgrounds. They are likely to be dangerous anywhere and everywhere they go. Whatever the Russians feel or think about some of these men, once their crimes are exposed, they will have to remain in prison at Russian taxpayers' expense, no matter how unjust that may sound to us as the responsibility for these men's release into an environment where they could carry on committing serial torture and murder is clearly that of the Ukrainian govt and its Western supporters.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 14 2025 20:22 utc | 100
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Nazis Raus! And their nazi-clappers too!
Posted by: John Gilberts | Mar 14 2025 14:40 utc | 1