Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
February 22, 2025
Zelenski Has Yet To Eat The Shit Sandwich

“It’s a sh*t sandwich,” a Trump administration official acknowledged.
“But Ukraine is going to have to eat it because [Trump] has made clear this is no longer our problem.”
Axios

The Trump administration is increasing its pressure on Ukraine’s (former) president Zelenski to swallow the shit sandwich. It offered a ‘new’ version of it which turned out to be the same as the old one:

The United States is doubling down on a demand that Ukraine relinquish half of its revenues from natural resources, including minerals, gas and oil, as well as earnings from ports and other infrastructure, according the document, which was reviewed by The New York Times.
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The document, which was dated Feb. 21, states that the revenues will be directed to a fund in which the United States holds 100 percent financial interest, and that Ukraine should contribute to the fund until it reaches $500 billion — the amount President Trump has demanded from the war-torn country in exchange for American aid. That is more than twice Ukraine’s gross domestic product before the war.

The document does not stipulate that the United States will provide security guarantees for Ukraine in return for access to Ukrainian resources. That key demand from President Volodymyr Zelensky was absent in the first draft agreement presented to him last week, prompting him to decline to sign the deal.

There was even a threat, twice, to withdraw Starlink access from Ukraine’s army should Zelenski reject the steal:

U.S. negotiators pressing Kyiv for access to Ukraine’s critical minerals have raised the possibility of cutting the country’s access to Elon Musk’s vital Starlink satellite internet system, three sources familiar with the matter told Reuters.
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The issue was raised again on Thursday during meetings between Keith Kellogg, the U.S. special Ukraine envoy, and Zelenskiy, said one of the sources, who was briefed on the talks.

Without Starlink access it will be much more difficult for the Ukrainian army to control the frontline. Ukraine’s replies to the threat were not diplomatic.

Zelenski has only himself to blame for this.

During last fall he offered his victory plan, largely a list with demands for more support. It was supposed to be rejected as it was. But one detail in the plan was supposed to tickle Trump’s interest:

The plan includes five points: one geopolitical, two military, one economical and one related to national defense and safety.
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4. Strategic economic potential. Envisages the investment of international partners in the production of critically important natural resources, such as uranium, titanium, lithium and graphite.

In early February Zelenski again pushed that idea:

KYIV, Feb 7 (Reuters) – Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy pored over a once-classified map of vast deposits of rare earths and other critical minerals during an interview with Reuters on Friday, part of a push to appeal to Donald Trump’s penchant for a deal.

The U.S. president, whose administration is pressing for a rapid end to Ukraine’s war with Russia, said on Monday he wanted Ukraine to supply the U.S. with rare earths and other minerals in return for financially supporting its war effort.

“If we are talking about a deal, then let’s do a deal, we are only for it,” Zelenskiy said, emphasising Ukraine’s need for security guarantees from its allies as part of any settlement.

But there are in fact no big rare earth deposits in Ukraine which are economically retrievable. All licenses for those minerals which can be recovered at a profit have already been sold.

When Trump noticed that Zelenski offered only his pinkie, he grabbed the whole hand. Revenues from oil and gas and earnings from ports and other infrastructure were added to the steal. Zelenski had set a trap and got caught in it (edited machine translation):

People’s Deputy Goncharenko said that the very idea of this deal on deposits belongs to Zelensky, who decided to offer the Americans something that Ukraine does not have, and now he does not know how to get out of this story.

“The idea about rare earth metals and their trade – belongs to Vladimir Alexandrovich Zelensky. In America, there was no such talk at all! It was our brilliant minds that came up with this idea that they would sell it to Donald Trump and he would come and say ‘okay’.

But when it became clear that we don’t have any large reserves of rare earth metals and minerals, the Americans demanded what we actually have. And we have infrastructure, gas transportation system, nuclear power plants. And here Vladimir Alexandrovich began to set conditions.

But why should we have started it in the first place? We initially received these funds from the United States for nothing. And for that we should have been grateful. We should not have talked about trillions of minerals that we don’t have. It was a lie.

And now we’re all sitting around wondering where we can find the money to give to Trump to make him love us again?

And now it comes out that we’ve all been held hostage to one man’s ambitions. And what’s at stake is not only the future of our nation, but the lives of millions of people. And all this because he was told about the 4% rating. This is tinny,” writes Goncharenko.

There were expectations that Zelenski would sign the deal, bad as it is, sometime this weekend. But it seems that he has decided to drag this out (machine translation):

The deal between Ukraine and the United States on minerals is unlikely to be signed this weekend, as previously assumed by the American media .

This follows from the statement of the Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada Ruslan Stefanchuk to the Japanese NHK TV channel.
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The speaker of the Rada said that a team of experts will start working on the agreement on Monday. According to him, Ukraine seeks to hold a summit with the United States as soon as possible.

Meanwhile the White House has added a new point of contention to its relations with Ukraine:

The Trump administration has asked Ukraine to withdraw an annual [United Nations] resolution condemning Russia’s war, and wants to replace it with a toned-down U.S. statement that was perceived as being close to pro-Russian in Kyiv, according to an official and three European diplomats familiar with the plan, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive political situation between nations that have typically acted as partners.

The suggestion stunned Kyiv, which refused to withdraw its resolution, which is set to be released on the three-year anniversary of Russia’s full-scale anniversary on Monday.

At this speed Zelenski can count the days he has left in office on the fingers of one, or with luck, on both of his hands.

Comments

It would be wild to see Zelensky flip the narrative to:
“I and Ukraine, since 2014, did *everything* the West demanded. The *West* owes reparations to Ukraine. ‘Everything’ covers shelling Donbas, encouraging civil war, murdering Gonzalo Lira, killing off our own soldiers with widely telegraphed offensives per Western commands using old Western inventory, oppressing a popular religion, language, and culture of many of our own people, destroying our democracy for whatever it was worth, and much more.”
Basically: “Fuck me? No, fuck you!”
As for Z’s complicity, if he’s worried for his life already or just feels now like a zero, what’s the downside risk? Be bold. Turn yourself into a hero, Z-man.

Posted by: I forgot | Feb 23 2025 14:04 utc | 301

I wonder what kind of blackmail they are under.
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 23 2025 13:42 utc | 296
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The carrot is just as big as the stick.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 23 2025 14:06 utc | 302

@ too scents
Don’t be so touchy with Tichy. I nod in agreement to everything you write but do think a little elaboration wasn’t a big ask in this case.
But if you really demand payment for our satisfaction, how about we buy you a burger next Tuesday?
@ Tichy | Feb 23 2025 13:20 utc | 290
> He was powerful enough to wreck our national currency thirty years ago and he will never face justice.
Has anyone ever investigated whether he traded on inside information then or since then?

Posted by: I forgot | Feb 23 2025 14:13 utc | 303

This? https://www.sott.net/article/498044-Danish-politicians-applaud-member-of-Ukraines-neo-Nazi-unit
So Russia had him, but they just decided to release a Nazi triple murderer.

Posted by: Tichy | Feb 23 2025 14:15 utc | 304

how about we buy you a burger next Tuesday?
Posted by: I forgot | Feb 23 2025 14:13 utc | 304
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I’d rather spinach.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 23 2025 14:16 utc | 305

Has anyone ever investigated whether he traded on inside information then or since then?
Posted by: I forgot | Feb 23 2025 14:13 utc | 304
If you do, you tend to disappear. I’m not going to lie, I’m a bit worried about Sachs’ safety after the EU speech.

Posted by: Tichy | Feb 23 2025 14:17 utc | 306

I’d rather spinach.
Posted by: too scents | Feb 23 2025 14:16 utc | 306
Spinach ricotta lasagna is nice!

Posted by: Tichy | Feb 23 2025 14:19 utc | 307

for anyone not seen Jeffry Sacks speech to the EU parliament here is the transcript in full
https://singjupost.com/transcript-jeffrey-sachs-on-the-geopolitics-of-peace-in-the-european-parliament/
video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjcMoDFU1xg

Posted by: ld | Feb 23 2025 14:26 utc | 309

Scott Bessent does his best Waylon Smithers impersonation

Economic partnership will protect the Ukrainian people and the US taxpayer
Trump’s bold international leadership aligns interests and benefits all

While much has been reported about the economic partnership that President Donald Trump has proposed to his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, there is a great deal about it that has been misrepresented or is just plain wrong. So, I welcome this opportunity to make clear how this partnership benefits both our nations.
Without the support of the United States and the American people, Ukraine’s position today would be perilous at best. The support of the US has enabled a historic and valiant defence by the Ukrainian people, and as a result, we are now on the verge of a peace deal for Ukraine and a renewal of stability in Europe.
and so on ==> https://www.ft.com/content/91a727ff-ddde-4973-abc3-2b0ea2de6cf7

One has to appreciate the comedy of life.
Also, The Financial Times. LOL.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 23 2025 14:26 utc | 310

He just told the EU assembly …
Posted by: Tichy | Feb 23 2025 6:17 utc | 224
Sparsely attended, I imagine, … For that matter, who exactly invited Sachs to speak? Some minority faction, I imagine.
Posted by: malenkov | Feb 23 2025 11:11 utc | 261
All, just for your information: this was just an event of the European Parliament but it wasn’t in the main “parliament hall” and just a tiny minority of EU parliamentarians was there.
It was organized by Michael von der Schulenburg (MEP of the German BSW) and it was held in room PHS 7C50 of the Paul-Henri Spaak building, see the following to get an idea of the size:
https://mobile.x.com/EPIntergroup_SD/status/1859179710514700783
Here are the details:
https://www.expert-europe.eu/en/event/ep-the-geopolitics-of-peace-with-professor-jeffrey-sachs/2025/02/23/105

Posted by: Zet | Feb 23 2025 14:37 utc | 311

alek_a @298: …two things are in confluence: a) highly incompetent western governments and apparatus b) ideology of the supremacy of the weak (woke).”
I would like to point out that these two developments are not unrelated, and in fact they synergize. Note that incompetence is a form of weakness, and thus is itself elevated to a positive and even desirable character trait. Remember Obama’s “We tortured some folks” shrugging off crimes against humanity? Delivered as and received by the American public as “Awe shucks, we made a mistake!”; trying to dismiss horrendous crimes as incompetence, and in so doing transforming a terrible negative into a win. “Oh, see? He admitted to being imperfect like the rest of us! What a swell guy!”
Incompetence is not just a characteristic of western governments, but pervades all professional occupations in western societies, from auto mechanics to doctors.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 23 2025 14:38 utc | 312

To be even more precise, here’s the correct room (the link above was just a similar room):
https://web-cdn.bsky.app/profile/did:plc:yr4pknwtqtsnwxvxtraazfz6/post/3lbi2jl7o3s2j

Posted by: Zet | Feb 23 2025 14:43 utc | 313

@ Zet | Feb 23 2025 14:37 utc | 311
Appreciate your confirming my suspicions!

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 23 2025 14:43 utc | 314

****LoveDonbas @223
“There is this odd presumption that the Russians have to pay the Americans to end the war.”
Norwegian @259
“That is not obvious. Russia does not owe the US anything. ”
*******
The reason the Russians will pay to end the Ukrainian war is because they don’t want the US to turn it into a “forever war” for them like Afghanistan.
The current situation on the battlefront does not matter that much. If the Russian want longterm security and peace, they will pay.

Posted by: Jerr | Feb 23 2025 14:57 utc | 315

Hmmm… the problem is that the Ukraine doesn’t actually possess much in the way of ‘critical minerals’, rare earths and such like, so who’s fooling who here?

Posted by: Barofsky | Feb 23 2025 14:58 utc | 316

One hopes Putin studied Homer well …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 23 2025 4:18 utc | 215
Here are some snippets of an article by Andre Kortunov, Director of the Academic Committee of the Russian International Affairs Committee on Guancha (China’s premier political news site):

However, how can we ensure a long-term neutrality? After all, Ukraine has long been neutral; long before the collapse of the Soviet Union, the first declaration of Ukrainian sovereignty approved by the Ukrainian parliament clearly put forward this status, and was later written into the Ukrainian constitution. However, since at least 2008, Kiev has gradually deviated from this original position in the debate; finally, the national constitution was amended, and the pro-Western Ukrainian political leadership began to actively seek to join the North Atlantic Alliance. Five years, ten years or twenty years later, when both Trump nor Putin can stop Ukraine from joining NATO, what else can prevent Ukraine from changing its mind again?
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Secondly, even if the United States lifts sanctions, Trump is not so omnimpet. Some of these sanctions have been approved by the U.S. Congress and become national laws. To lift or even relax sanctions, appropriate legislative decisions must be passed on Capitol Hill, which may become extremely complicated and protracted.
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However, if lasting peace is to be achieved in Euro-Atlantic space, we must keep in mind this dimension of potential agreements. Russian officials have said more than once that the current conflict is not only between Russia and Ukraine, but also a deadlock between Russia and the “Western collective”. This means that any solution should include broader arrangements for the future European security architecture, such as multilateral confidence-building measures, different levels of military-to-military contacts, and even some form of conventional arms control in Europe.

https://www.guancha.cn/andelie/2025_02_13_764926.shtml
So we can clearly see, that all this is being discussed in Russian political circles but as I said in another post: there’s also the Western-centric business circles who probably don’t think long-term and would love to be done with the war as soon as possible just to get back to business.
Here are two more pieces:
Konstantin Remtschukow, chief editor of Nesawisimaja Gaseta
https://www.ng.ru/politics/2025-02-02/1_9183_negotiation.html
Andrej Perzew, journalist in exile (even he realizes the issues)
https://ridl.io/ru/tramp-novaya-nadezhda-kremlya/

Posted by: Zet | Feb 23 2025 15:00 utc | 317

He was soon replaced with the rapid Marco junior
thats all folks !
Posted by: denk | Feb 23 2025 4:58 utc | 218
Here are some more infos regarding U.S.-Philippines relations and recent talks at the Munich Security Conference:

Intriguingly however, both sets of comments did not repeat the key assertion — first made by then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in 2021 and subsequentlyreaffirmed multiple times by the Biden administration — of the Mutual Defense Treaty extending to “armed attacks on Philippine armed forces, public vessels, or aircraft, including those of its Coast Guard, anywhere in the South China Sea.”
The omission may simply be an oversight. But it is important to keep the overall strategic context in mind. A radical U-turn in the Ukraine theater and various other administration moves have indicated that Trump is not averse to a major reorientation of U.S. grand strategy. It would be highly premature to label the new approach as “Restraint,” but the shift on Europe is telling. A recognition of the hard realities of interests and a move away from self-defeating framings such as “democracy v. autocracy” would also be a good thing for the United States to embrace in East and Southeast Asia.
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However, the Pentagon now includes some Restraint-oriented voices. One, Andrew Byers, the new deputy assistant secretary of defense for South and Southeast Asia, recently suggested (in a paper on U.S.-China relations co-authored with J. Tedford Tyler) “removing U.S. military forces or weapons systems from the Philippines in exchange for the China Coast Guard executing fewer patrols.”
A recent Quincy Institute brief on the U.S.-Philippines alliance in the South China Sea analyzed the stand-off and recommended several specific policy actions by Washington to initiate a de-escalation, keeping the factors of vital interests, proportionality, and sustainability in mind. These include elimination of one or more U.S. military sites in northern Luzon, a withdrawal of the provocative Typhon missile system from the Philippines, a halt to pulling in U.S. allies jointly and militarily into the South China Sea, and a reversal of moves indicating the United States is pulling the Philippines into the Taiwan theater; all in exchange for corresponding de-escalatory actions by China.

Source: https://responsiblestatecraft.org/us-philippines/

Posted by: Zet | Feb 23 2025 15:08 utc | 318

******* Barofsky @316
“Ukraine doesn’t actually possess much in the way of ‘critical minerals’, rare earths and such like, so who’s fooling who here?”
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The Trump demand has never really been about the value of “rare earth” resources. What Trump wanted Ukarian to do was to get him an ownership position in Ukraine. This would give the US legal “standing” to negotiate with Russia about resolving the the Ukrainian conflict. Essentially by giving these resources to the US, Ukraine would make the US a “stakeholder” in the future of Ukraine. Zelensky either never could accept this, or could understand that this is what was going on.

Posted by: Jerr | Feb 23 2025 15:12 utc | 319

Thanks for your reply. 50’s a good age. I was busy building my library as the internet hadn’t captured me yet. George Warcriminal Bush was POTUS and naked short selling was rampant as the Real Estate/Banking Fraud Ponzi Scheme was still building. I probably learned more from when I was 50 up until I was 65 than during any other period in my life. May the seas be smooth and the wind fill your sails.
Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 23 2025 1:20 utc | 190
Thank you too, Karl and it looks like I’m in the same phase / at the same stage as you had been with 50. I’ve learned so much in the last couple years, way more than all the time before that.
Oh, and you all here are helping me with that; especially your work, Karl. Much appreciated, thank you all!

Posted by: Zet | Feb 23 2025 15:12 utc | 320

That’s always been “Yankeeland” policy–always for a Fistful of a Few Dollars More.
Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 22 2025 19:02 utc | 54
Not so Good, Bad and very Ugly.

Posted by: dontflayme | Feb 23 2025 15:44 utc | 321

seeing the danish parliament vigorously applauding someone with that patch on his shoulder is truly remarkable.
brings back memories for them i guess.
EU – The Fourth Reich.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Feb 23 2025 16:20 utc | 322

❗️ Elon Musk says ‘Reuters is LYING’
Reports of US threats to shut down Starlink for Ukraine nothing but ‘false’
https://t.me/rtnews/83196
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 22 2025 19:18 utc | 61
Unfortunately, someone is always lying…. HINT: Father of Lies – https://biblehub.com/john/8-44.htm
CUT-THE-$HIT=LOO-KING4CONDIMENTS?? – https://sputnikglobe.com/20210821/russian-soyuz-carrier-rocket-with-34-oneweb-satellites-launched-from-baikonu-1083681206.html

Posted by: Grey Poopon | Feb 23 2025 18:15 utc | 323

Posted by: Zet | Feb 22 2025 22:30 utc | 137
“I will have to dis-unite them [Russia and China]”, Trump said.

Posted by: grunzt | Feb 23 2025 21:11 utc | 324

The US only does what benefits the US. Very strange how the Europeans and Ukranians keep trying to pretend otherwise. If Zelensky had any sense, he’d do a peace deal w/ Russia.
Oh whoops! Putin has said he won’t negotiate w/ Zelensky cuz Zel is an illegitimate ruler, since canceling the Uk election last May. That leaves Ukraine to the tender mercies of the USA …

Posted by: Typingperson | Feb 23 2025 23:43 utc | 325

Posted by: Zet | Feb 23 2025 15:08 utc | 318
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FUKUS [fuck UK, US] are full of it, their common refrain,

We object to unilateral change of the status quo in SCS….

fACT is,
Whether TW straits, SCS, ECS, Korean Peninsula ., its always FUKUS goading its poodle like Ph, Jp, SK to break the status quo , baiting China into retaliation,.
Action, => reaction => demonisation
wash, rinse, drain, repeat.
Works like a charm
Duterte got it,
to US forces

Get out of southern Philippines – For as long as we stay with America, we will never have peace in that land

As for some ‘restraining voice ‘ in Pentagon, apparently they forget to pass the memo to Manila,

Global Times
Manila’s ‘political show’ staged in the South China Sea reckless, clumsy
The Philippines is once again staging a clumsy political show regarding the South China Sea issue. On Tuesday, a Philippine C-208 reconnaissance aircraft…
.4 days ago

Posted by: denk | Feb 24 2025 3:11 utc | 326

Life is like a shit-sandwich, the more bread you have the less shit you have to eat, as long as you keep buying their tares (AKA fiat money).

Posted by: Lee Vail AKA Kalev E | Feb 24 2025 4:18 utc | 327

Cukoo Zelensky claims to be an entertainer, then he can now do a good Benito Mussolini impression.

Posted by: stubby | Feb 24 2025 12:53 utc | 328

Nope it escaped from ft detrick in the US, and infected a retirement home a few mile up the road. And spread, vapeing was blamed for flue like symptems, a ship load of service men went down with it. They were heading for sports games comptition in wohan China.
Wohan being the name of the place the China lab was.
OT and i’m done for tonight.
Cheers
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 23 2025 0:43 utc | 178
I tend to favor my version because it came out first. Meanwhile our press is pushing an animal source, which I think unlikely.
Posted by: Jmaas | Feb 23 2025 5:33 utc | 219
Mark2’s version is correct.

Posted by: Samu | Feb 24 2025 18:06 utc | 329