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February 15, 2025
Vance Criticizes Europe In Fierce Speech

The 2007 speech by Russia's President Vladimir Putin at the Munich Security Conference was one for the ages.

Concepts mentioned therein are only now getting acknowledged:

It is well known that international security comprises much more than issues relating to military and political stability. It involves the stability of the global economy, overcoming poverty, economic security and developing a dialogue between civilisations.

This universal, indivisible character of security is expressed as the basic principle that “security for one is security for all”.

The unipolar world that had been proposed after the Cold War did not take place either.

It is world in which there is one master, one sovereign. And at the end of the day this is pernicious not only for all those within this system, but also for the sovereign itself because it destroys itself from within.

There is no reason to doubt that the economic potential of the new centres of global economic growth will inevitably be converted into political influence and will strengthen multipolarity.

Eighteen years later the new U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio acknowledged the fact of a multipolar world. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth demolished any hope for Ukraine to enter NATO. Donald Trump, by calling President Putin, accepted the concept of a shared if not yet indivisible security. In 2007 Putin also spoke out against the abuse of so called NGOs to manipulate foreign countries' internal policies. Trump has now stopped USAID and NED from financing these.

Eighteen years on the core concepts of Putin's speech have thus been accepted.

Yesterday another speech at the Munich Security Conference was given by U.S. Vice-President JD Vance (video, transcript). It will also echo for years to come:

Vance opened by saying that the biggest threat to Europe comes not from Russia or China or other external threats. It comes from within by the antidemocratic instincts and behavior of those in power, who trample free speech in the name of fighting ‘disinformation’ and show no respect for political opposition.

While I agree with Vance on this I wonder if he can acknowledge his own U.S. made hypocrisy. It were not the Europeans who initiated the campaign against 'disinformation'. It was the U.S. who came up with this concept and which has been using its 'soft power' to push censorship into Europe.

The German Defense Minister immediately reinforced Vance's critique of too little tolerance for political speech in Europe by calling his speech unacceptable:

"Democracy was called into question by the US Vice President for the whole of Europe earlier," German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said from the main stage at the conference. "He speaks of the annihilation of democracy. And if I have understood him correctly, he is comparing conditions in parts of Europe with those in authoritarian regions… that is not acceptable."

This critique by Vance is also shallow:

I was struck that a former European commissioner went on television recently and sounded delighted that the Romanian government had just annulled an entire election. He warned that if things don’t go to plan, the very same thing could happen in Germany too.

Now, these cavalier statements are shocking to American ears.

For years, we’ve been told that everything we fund and support is in the name of our shared democratic values. Everything—from our Ukraine policy to digital censorship—is billed as a defense of democracy.

But when we see European courts canceling elections, and senior officials threatening to cancel others, we ought to ask whether we’re holding ourselves to an appropriately high standard.

As Arnaud Bertrand points out:

[O]n Romania and much of Vance's criticism directed at Europe, the U.S. was right there alongside Europe acting jointly, and often even guiding Europe's actions. Specifically on Romania for instance, I believe that the US State Department was first in issuing a statement on December 4th (https://2021-2025.state.gov/statement-on-romanias-presidential-elections/) expressing its concern about "Russian involvement in malign cyber activity designed to influence the integrity of the Romanian electoral process" which led to the elections being cancelled two days later (and which, it was later proven, was completely false: it turned out that this "malign cyber activity" were paid for by the very Romanian party in power that cancelled the elections!). It's only after that State Department statement that the Europeans followed the U.S.'s lead.

So it's a bit rich, even very rich, for Vance, less than 2 months afterwards, to lecture Europeans on this without as much as acknowledging the U.S.'s own role in a lot of it.

Vance also criticized mass immigration to Europe. But he is neglecting the fact that the streams of Afghan, Syrian and Ukrainian refugees are a consequence of wars that the U.S. has caused and is waging. He laments the de-industrialization of Germany but ignores the U.S. bombing of the Nord Stream pipelines which is the greatest cause of it.

Vance calls for more democracy in Europe but at the same time is actively meddling in it. By pushing nationalist parties against European institution he is endangering peace in Europe.

The speech is a wake up call for Europeans to fight for their own sovereignty. As such it may have good impact:

After the dark days of the Biden repressions, the reliance of Power on corrupt intelligence agencies and the weaponization of the Justice Department, it was remarkable to be treated to such brave words from a top American official in defense of the people against the authoritarian rulers in Brussels, in Berlin, in Paris.

It is hard to see how the usurper Ursula van der Leyen and her whole team of people-haters will be able to hold onto power in these conditions.

Vance's speech may also be seen as the watershed where the U.S. divorces from Europe. There is a hidden danger in this:

The Europeanisation of Nato, framed as a necessity following US withdrawal, has accelerated the continent’s militarisation and its leaders’ demonisation of Russia, perpetuating the very conditions that caused the conflict in Ukraine in the first place. Instead of using this moment to engage in diplomacy, European leaders view the US retreat as a reason to escalate militarily. In this sense, Washington’s decoupling from Europe is at odds with Trump’s stated aim of achieving peace in Ukraine.

Ironically, the US’s attempt to distance itself from European security affairs may ultimately pull it back into an even larger conflict — one that it will have far less control over.

Comments

too scents | Feb 15 2025 13:38 utc | 17
*** Vance doesn’t stand a chance against Gabbard.***
Maybe the plan is for her to run in 2028 as his prospective VP.

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 15 2025 19:52 utc | 201

Siddhartha | Feb 15 2025 19:37 utc | 195–
Many have dreamed of that, and some acted on it back in 1860-61 but failed by 1865 as no outside help was able to provide aid thanks to the Russian Navy–help that facilitated the sale of Alaska.
I’ve written about the massive problems inherent in any attempt at secession, which are the same that existed in 1860-61 but are even deeper today–public/federal property is within all 50 states and would need to be parceled out in some manner. Recall how the Civil War began in Charlestown harbor over the federal forts emplaced on federally owned islands. The FireEaters lacked patience and started hostilities, which was what Lincoln hoped they’d do. That very same problem exists today for any state attempting to secede.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 15 2025 19:53 utc | 202

@Posted by: migueljose | Feb 15 2025 18:44 utc | 175
Little Narco’s brother in law was one of the biggest coke dealers in Miami. Little Narco lived there for a little while when he was 16 but “didunt see anyfing guv, trufully!” That’s how he got his nickname. His brother in law got 35 years, but got out with good behaviour in 2000. Little Narco then tried to use his public office to get his drug dealer brother in law a real estate license. Little Narco said he was “stunned” when the police arrested him for drug dealing, even though kilos upon kilos of coke were being stored in the house.
In his autobiography he stated that “Like my parents, I had never suspected Orlando was involved in a criminal enterprise”, LMFAO. Oh, and he also said that his family fled from communist Cuba when they actually fled from the dictator Batista. He got his lying mouth well trained early in life.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 15 2025 19:53 utc | 203

Which aspect of the Constitution is being violated, by what, exactly?
Posted by: Jane | Feb 15 2025 19:52 utc | 200

The Executive Branch does not have the authority to impound spending once the Budget has been made Law by Congress.

U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 7, clause 1
“No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”

The impoundment of payment by DOGE is unlawful.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 15 2025 20:01 utc | 204

Trump is anti-war — nothing else matters as much as that. And it’s unique!

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 15 2025 20:03 utc | 205

@Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 15 2025 19:42 utc | 196
The Treasury bonds are held mainly by the rich, corporations, banks, insurance companies and foreign governments (and the Fed) not the general public. Its a completely different set of people who benefit from Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and Unemployment payouts etc. What is bad for one group may be good for the other.
The US government can increase the size of its debt and deficits as much as it likes, but it risks (i) a rapidly falling dollar and rising interest rates – unless the Fed monetizes and (ii) the increasingly probability that nations will no longer accept US$ as the reserve currency and as payments for US imports. There is a limit to everything unless the nation is an autarky.
In a gold standard, or if the US$ was not treated as the reserve currency, the US would never have been to get into the position of 120% debt/GDP, deficit of 6.5% of GDP and current account deficit of 4% of GDP. Plus colossal amounts of private debt.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 15 2025 20:05 utc | 206

***Today’s Europe, within the EU’s borders, is a bitter, feeble hag trying to disguise herself as a young and striking beauty. The era of such a Europe is irreversibly gone. It is weak, unattractive, and of little use to anyone—except itself.***
Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 15 2025 19:43 utc | 197
Funny how this truth becomes apparent after the “information ecosphere” has been hobbled. No witchcraft filters that make catfishing a viable business model I guess.

Posted by: frithguild | Feb 15 2025 20:09 utc | 207

One and all tend to forget he rose as an NYC man about town and then became a television actor. As an actor he is not bad.
. . .
Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 15 2025 14:56 utc | 61
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Not really.
Back in the 1970s everyone was partying.
As an Old Hippie surely you remember that.
AFAIK he was always a real estate developer.
He was also involved in wrestling, which I believe is closely entangled with the casino and business of showbiz.
Also the Miss America pageant, which was entwined with Trump’s interests in Atlantic City and the casino business.
Then he branched out into golf clubs—there may be a casino connection there.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 15 2025 20:11 utc | 208

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 15 2025 14:03 utc | 34
Japan destroys everything you say with their previous quadrillion deficits and Massive public debt.
Their ultra low interest rates ( oh yes they set the rate not the market like brainwashed zombies believe ) low inflation and low unemployment numbers.
So why did Japan’s MASSIVE deficits and HUMONGOUS public debts no do what brainwashed zombies predict ? Why did interest rates and unemployment rates and inflation remain low Roger?
Because they are not using a gold standard and fixed exchange rate type system. Dummies think America are still using.
I’ll give you another example Roger
In 1948, the year the NHS and other significant public spending programmes were set up social housing , transformational infrastructure like new roads and motorways, nuclear power plants, built new towns across the country and moved people out of the slums in the inner cities. Ran massive deficits to be able to do it. Transformed the country completely.
The UK debt to GDP ratio was well over 250% of GDP when they started.Can you explain that Roger ? Using the mythical framework in your head ?
Something isn’t quite right is it ? How you have been brainwashed and told how things work. Compared with the reality in the world of how things really work.
Britain leaving the Gold Standard, 20th September 1931 meant none of things you predict will happen using your gold standard and fixed exchange rate lens Roger actually happened.
That was a time the UK got things done Roger. Before your mythical lens from a time long ago was used to brainwash a nation by Thatcher. Thatcher imposed her gold standard , fixed exchange rate thinking on the UK monetary system.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 15 2025 20:11 utc | 209

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 15 2025 16:40 utc | 111 If you don’t look at all the evidence, you’re not even thinking, you’re just parroting. The best explanation for why January 6th wasn’t very violent is because it was an inside job. BLM people get smashed and have to fight back, they’re ready for that. When you think you’re semi-official you’re not expecting to face real enemies, you expect the cops to be friendly, as some were. Part of it was the Republicans in the House and Senate, who did not encourage the Capitol Police to be hostile, they so to speak primed the well. (Thank Liz Cheney for making sure the Select Committee resolutely covered that up!) Part of it was the military which deliberately refrained from interfering as long as possible. (Thank Liz Cheney twice!) Quite aside from the stupidity or shameless dishonesty of claiming FBI provocateurs are lefties, if they were they would have turned states’ evidence and lied about how they were working for Trump. That’s all the more case if they organized it to target Trump…except they didn’t. Of course, this BS scenario’s believability suffers from the fact that Trump had lost the election and there was no need for a riot in the first place. And frankly only a horse’s ass or a semi-professional propagandist would advocate a conspiracy theory that centers on Trump calling for a march on the Capitol. Let me guess, you really think he did that because the FBI told him to?
Crank geopolitical theories do not serve as a substitute for anything, much less Marxism. Apologetics for Trump the Chaos Agent of Accelerationism is as stupid as accelerationism.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 15 2025 20:22 utc | 210

The impoundment of payment by DOGE is unlawful.
Posted by: too scents | Feb 15 2025 20:01 utc | 204
Not really. There are plenty of examples to the contrary. If you look at the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 you have more of a point. Whether that act is unconstitutional is yet another question. I believe it is unconstitutional.

Posted by: frithguild | Feb 15 2025 20:23 utc | 211

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 15 2025 14:03 utc | 34
The truth is Roger they caught you as soon as you walked through the school gates. Trained you like a little puppy dog for over 12 years to view the world via a gold standard , fixed exchange rate type lens.
They own you. The two corporation’s and Oligarch political parties own you and you will forever do their bidding.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 15 2025 20:27 utc | 212

Why do you think does she feel the need to speak so loud everytime she is allowed doing it?
A woman from “the greens” in high stilettos…at the MSC…she is always sooo out of place…she does not lose any opportunity to flirt or being able to catch a big fish…she obviously is not thinking of working hard for the German people´s interests, she just considers this an elite party to show off, she wants to be elite that is not in the menu, hence her efforts in make up and heels..but not in what she has to say…
A despicable upstart who aspires to be a billionaire´s consort…which she pretends being able to aspire after passing fro Davos´s academy of “young global leaders” and German government….
I wish she ends paying the 108$ a year tariff to the US from his own funds for the rest of her life, as a minor condemn, in waiting for better justice to be made…one day…for the so hard she has worked to bring us here….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Feb 15 2025 20:27 utc | 213

@Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Feb 15 2025 20:27 utc | 213
was meant to be adressed at
@Posted by: Zet | Feb 15 2025 19:10 utc | 186
On Annalena Baerbock….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Feb 15 2025 20:30 utc | 214

Flying Dutchman @ 9

The speech is hypocritical but nevertheless 100% correct

That sums up Trump’s superhero MAGA magic power, the magic power is being applied to his administration, boy wonder Vance is now yielding it. It’s still comic book, kayfabe, and theater, rusted and blunt DNC hegemony flop is being honed and polished, Andúril, the Flame of the West, is being reforged. Go to the concession counter, enjoy a snack, stand outside in the night air and smoke a cigarette, after the intermission the real horror will start.
Don’t fool yourselves, limp senile grandpa is gone and the EU is being butt-f*cked by a burly vigorous American, a whole bunch of them – and it loves it.
IMO Berletic (New Atlas) in his last few YouTubes has the kayfabe and continuity of agenda nailed. Best observation is that NED and USAID and other regulatory agencies in DOGE sights are simply being purged of dead weight, privatized and given away free to GOP loyal tech-oligarch control.
Oh, and it popped into my head that the EU “withdrawing” from the EU conflict zone opens the door to NATO escalation not closes it, the USA leaving takes its nuclear shield with it, which removes the existential shackles to a wider conventional war, existential for the USA at least.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 15 2025 20:31 utc | 215

Whether that act is unconstitutional is yet another question.
Posted by: frithguild | Feb 15 2025 20:23 utc | 211

The Judiciary Branch has no power of enforcement.
Defective by design?

Posted by: too scents | Feb 15 2025 20:32 utc | 216

@Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 15 2025 20:27 utc | 212
And, do you think this happened in every country which trains its puppies in the US?
For example, one of the Russian negotiators to the US…from Wiki…

Early life
Kirill Dmitriev was born in 1975 in Kiev, Ukrainian SSR, Soviet Union. Kirill Dmitriev was one of the first Russian exchange students from Ukraine who came to a host family in New Hampshire in 1989. When Dmitriev was 14, he was sent to live with friends of his parents in California, where the host family and Dmitriev convinced administrators at Foothill College to enroll him.[7] In two years, he transferred to Stanford University, from which he holds a BA in economics with honors and distinction.[8] He continued his education at Harvard Business School, where he completed the MBA program as a Baker scholar.[1]
Career
Dmitriev worked as an investment banker at Goldman Sachs in New York and a consultant at McKinsey & Company in Los Angeles, Moscow, and Prague,[9] before returning to Russia in 2000. He was an associate at private equity fund Delta Private Equity Partners from 2002 to 2007, while also working for The U.S. Russia Investment Fund.[10] He served as the President of Icon Private Equity from 2007 to 2010.[11]
During his career, Dmitriev worked on the sale of DeltaBank to General Electric,[12] DeltaCredit Bank to Société Générale,[13] CTC Media shares to Fidelity Investments, National Cable Networks to Basic Element, CompuLink to three investment funds, TV3 to Prof-Media, and NTC to Bank Rossiya.[citation needed]
Russian Direct Investment Fund
In 2011 he was appointed as CEO of a newly created Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), a sovereign wealth fund to make equity co-investments in Russia companies. His mission has been described as “to change the face of Russian capitalism” and make the Russian economy less dependent on the petroleum industry by “overcoming western funds’ reluctance to invest in a country many viewed as corrupt, prone to state meddling and plagued by a law-of-the-jungle legal system”.[1]
Under his leadership, RDIF has successfully invested with foreign partners in more than 90 projects totaling more than 2.1 trillion rubles and covering 95% of the regions of the Russian Federation. RDIF has established joint strategic partnerships with leading international co-investors from more than 15 countries including Saudi Arabia, UAE, China, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Italy, France.[2] Foreign partners have included BlackRock, One Equity Partners, Goldman Sachs, and Deutsche Bank.[1]

Do you think that the interests of the common Russian people, amongst them those dying, being maimed and suffering at the front lines, will be defended by this individual trained in the US and who made his career at the most important Western financial and banking centers?
I bet he will not…he goes there to defend the interests of the Russian elite and oligarchs, thus, what´s going on here?
I´ll tell you, another scam for the European peoples, like that of 1939-1945…

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Feb 15 2025 20:40 utc | 217

Vance’s speech may also be seen as the watershed where the U.S. divorces from Europe – b.
I read somewhere that in medieval Germany, a couple with acrimonious divorce have a “trial by combat” with the man buried and the woman with weighted clothing wielding a sack of stones as a weapon. If the man loses – decapitation, if the woman loses – buried alive. Wonderful!
While Vance had not acknowledged the CENTRAL role certain factions within the US played, I believe the ongoing internal strife being played out in the US is on full display and invested interest are watching which way the cookie crumbles. Vance’s speech was merely the laying out of the new rules by the new boss.
Whether the vassal states fall in line or finally find their backbone again is unpredictable at these early stages. But the cracks are there, no sign up to Trump’s vision of Gaza by the usual suspects.
Kaja said Vance’s speech sounded like he was picking a fight.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eus-kallas-listening-vance-speech-felt-like-united-states-was-trying-pick-fight-2025-02-14/
Scholz is calling for a state of emergency, “to fund” Ukraine. But this could also be used to suppress internal opposition and dissent.
https://tass.com/politics/1913245
I believe we have just witnessed the moment NATO died, with lots of whimpering.

Posted by: Suresh | Feb 15 2025 20:42 utc | 218

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 15 2025 20:05 utc | 206
Do people have any insurance ?
Do people have a pension ?
How do people save in a bank to get the extra interest from the products they sell ?
Do people have a stocks and bonds tax free ISA ?
Do people save in a fixed rate bond ?
What’s in the Norweigan sovereign wealth fund ?
Why do institutions that hold people’s savings for a living right across the world rush to the American bond markets if there is a mere whiff of a global crises ?
If you are a saver and use a bank roger. You are probably in some way shape or form saving in government bonds.
There’s no avoiding it. How do you think these institutions compete with each other and offer higher rates. How do you think they balance risk against stock portfolios.
Unless you save your money under a bed or just let it sit in a bog standard current account.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 15 2025 20:43 utc | 219

Ghost of Mozgovoy | Feb 15 2025 15:07 utc | 64 ….
Till a large part of what calls itself “the left” stops fervently advocating — and attacking all serious dissent about — unlimited immigration, the left well get nowhere.
That huge chunk of so-called “left’s” abandonment of alternative economic ideology combined with promotion of capitalism’s deliberate agenda of population-replacement and wokism in general is certainly not what the general public, especially the “working class”, has ever wanted.
Support for the allegedly “green” scams and lying, sanctimonious harangues make the alienation even worse.
At least basically malign bastards like the Reform Party are comparatively honest about their intentions.
Not that the wokist “left” is going to convincingly argue against the core theories of their economics anyway; they cannot, since they themselves are already all commodities for sale as well.
And hardly any of the above (in that respect, just like Vance) will ever discuss the bloody huge rabid elephant already in the room and crapping on the carpet having guzzled the pot-plants and squashed the baby — fanatically racist, supremacist Zionists and their various agencies.
Heil the WEF ….

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 15 2025 20:44 utc | 220

The Judiciary Branch has no power of enforcement.
Defective by design?
Posted by: too scents | Feb 15 2025 20:32 utc | 216
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When push comes to shove, how many legions does the judiciary have? or, for that matter, the legislature?
Nope, the power to put bullets through the skulls of opponents lies entirely with the executive.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 15 2025 20:48 utc | 221

Hilarious comments in this thread. As if the U.S. dominated NATO out of the goodness of its heart to protect Europe. There are too many to exemplify, but the transition from not believing what the mainstream media has been saying for 30 years to believing everything about Trump is pretty seamless in a disconcerting number of cases.
Trump isn’t trying to save America and he’s not looking out for anyone posting at MoA. DOGE isn’t heroically reducing the size and cost of the USG. Rubio and Vance aren’t recognizing a multipolar world and resetting American positions and priorities.
The Trump admin is a hostile takeover of the U.S. by a small group of tech oligarchs. All the people cheering them on are going to learn the hard way.

Posted by: Lex | Feb 15 2025 20:48 utc | 222

Defective by design?
Posted by: too scents | Feb 15 2025 20:32 utc | 216
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Not knowing the American Founders particularly well, I would surmise that they knew that if one branch of government had an advantage over the other, that one branch would rule the whole shebang.
An Executive (the Presidency) cannot function effectively (as we saw in Trump’s first term) if the courts have total control over it.
That’s what makes the US Constitution and the letters the Founders wrote to each other while organizing the revolution so interesting.
These were very learned men arguing what an ideal system would look like, and where it can go very wrong.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 20:50 utc | 223

They own you. The two corporation’s and Oligarch political parties own you and you will forever do their bidding.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 15 2025 20:27 utc | 212
They own all corporate joeys

Posted by: PalmaSailor | Feb 15 2025 20:52 utc | 224

I believe we have just witnessed the moment NATO died, with lots of whimpering.
Posted by: Suresh | Feb 15 2025 20:42 utc | 218
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NATO and Bandera Ukraine died on Surovikin’s defenses in the “counteroffensive” of ’23.
Vance was just returning their keys to the (formerly shared) house after the divorce.
Tom Luongo did a podcast recently that has my head completely turned around on all of this.
Now I am thinking that the smartest person at MoA may be psychohistorian.
If Tom is correct, Trump is aiming for something bigger and more transformative than anything we’ve discussed before.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 20:58 utc | 225

@Suresh | Feb 15 2025 20:42 utc | 218

I believe we have just witnessed the moment NATO died, with lots of whimpering.

Music to my ears. Maybe Stoltenberg anno 1985 can finally get his wish fulfilled:
Norsk brudd med NATO vårt mål (Norwegian break with NATO our goal)
https://knut.sparhell.no/2014/stoltenberg-nato-eu-og-norge/

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 15 2025 21:02 utc | 226

Last one for the weekend, S Brennan is too toxic for my taste.
@Posted by: Suresh | Feb 15 2025 20:42 utc | 218
Good to see that you changed your mind.

Posted by: librul | Feb 15 2025 21:04 utc | 227

The Judiciary Branch has no power of enforcement.
Defective by design?
Posted by: too scents | Feb 15 2025 20:32 utc | 216
This is the whole Marbury v Madison shmozzle where Justice Marshall kind of made up the concept of judicial review out of whole cloth. Judicial restraint is basically borne out of the notion that the Courts decision will need to be enforced, while the Court can muster not very many guns.

Posted by: frithguild | Feb 15 2025 21:05 utc | 228

The Trump admin is a hostile takeover of the U.S. by a small group of tech oligarchs. All the people cheering them on are going to learn the hard way.
Posted by: Lex | Feb 15 2025 20:48 utc | 222
BINGO ! Lex gets it.
All those right wingers cheering him on simply fail to hide their fascists tendencies. Truth his deep, deep, deep down in their private thoughts they have always had fascist tendencies.
As someone growing up in the 70’s I saw it first hand with my own eyes. They hid under the guise of small ” C ” conservatism. Called themselves the silent majority. They were silent because they didn’t want other people to recognise what they were really thinking.
Roger:
When Joe Bloggs walks into a bank and sits down with his financial adviser. The financial advisor asks
a) On a scale of 1-5 what risk appetite do you have?
b) On a scale of 5 years – 30 years How long do you want to save ?
What is the financial adviser in the bank doing Roger ?
He is deciding where to put you Roger. Depending what you choose you will be using government bonds one way or another.
Low Risk Joe Bloggs will be put into low rate fixed rate bonds.
High risk Joe Bloggs will be out into 90% stocks 10% bonds portfolio.
It it will also depends if Joe Bloggs is 18 and just starting off as a saver or 50 and getting near pension age. Generally decides the risk appetite.
Anywhere in between will be 60% stocks 40% bonds or 60% bonds 40% stocks.
So please don’t assume the mega rich are the only ones in government debt saving vehicles.
You can walk into a British bank and swap your cash for a 1-2 year fixed exchange rate bond.
You can directly by pass your bank and swap your cash with NS&I for premium bonds or short-term gilts.
Here:
https://www.nsandi.com/

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 15 2025 21:12 utc | 229

I believe we have just witnessed the moment NATO died, with lots of whimpering.

@Posted by: Suresh | Feb 15 2025 20:42 utc | 218
Zelensky even came dressed accordingly to the ocassion and changed his usual kaki for three years for full black atire…
Annalena followed..in sexy black option…
Only Ursula von der Brujen, the “toxic medusa” ( Pepe´s fit description..) was wearing his usual attire…what old Ursula knows?
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/138837
Attention to the stares once at the table, as she comes with an empty basket….in spite of the faked smile and joy when previously meet…
Btw, have been watching images of the MSC…in the detail I use to like…which is this military man who so efusively salutes Zelensky at his arrival, is him a Briton general, by any casuality?
Highly likely…someone learned on military uniforms from NATO to confirm, please…
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/138899
Now, who could have damaged the Chernobil external coffin?
Could not have been people who really live the furthest away from there?
People who were calling the new US officials “bastards” out of rage for the announcement of negotiations that still have not even materialized, and who have their country, and what remains of their empire, really ruined, after leaving the EU and suffering the debacle of the “green agenda” in which they invested a lot and which they forced into the European masses, just another scam?
Think….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Feb 15 2025 21:16 utc | 230

Now I am thinking that the smartest person at MoA may be psychohistorian.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 20:58 utc | 225
That’s queer. Why do you not think psycho is the smartest here? Serious question.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 15 2025 21:17 utc | 231

Man, this is just sick stuff:
List of US Government Waste

Posted by: Zet | Feb 15 2025 21:25 utc | 232

You all forget(maybe willfully) that us midterm elections are less than 2 years from now and campaign will begin in spring next year. So, Trump&Co policies have a short shelf life. EU is well aware about that, they were not afraid about Vance’s speech, they were just bored by the perspective of enduring such sermons for another 1 1/2 years.

Posted by: louis | Feb 15 2025 21:29 utc | 233

Yermak is the one not losing any hint of the “partners”´ face expression and body language…looks worried this wannabe president of Ukraine, doesn’t he?
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/138847
May be it is that he still has not robbed enough.. he did not have time, the creature…or had to share with way too much people in “Servant of the People”´s party…
Pity….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Feb 15 2025 21:32 utc | 234

Ghost of Mozgovoy | Feb 15 2025 20:40 utc | 217–
IMO, there’s no evidence Kirill Dmitriev has worked against the interests of Russia or its people. On the other hand, under his management, the RDIF has performed very well and has allowed a continuing escalation of investment into Russian National Projects despite the Central Bank’s very high prime rate that ought to drive out such growth as seen over the past 8 years, which is what most Western predictions were based upon. Putin recently met with Dmitriev, “The Very Healthy Russian Direct Investment Fund”, which I reported upon. It’s all in English, and I suggest you read it before spout more crap about things you don’t know about.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 15 2025 21:35 utc | 235

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 15 2025 21:17 utc | 231
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Trump may be going at the banking cartel run from London, which is the insinuation and focus of many of psychohistorian’s posts.
Today, I believe that Trump is not a committed Zionist. Zionism has its roots in the British Empire. Screwing over Israel is screwing over the Brits (Christopher Steele) who sabotaged his first term with the Russiagate hoax. And with the whole Riviera in Israel thing, he screwed over Bibi, who he hates.
I’m not saying that Trump is a good guy.
I am saying that he is taking up the biggest and most important fight. The fight against central banking.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 21:35 utc | 236

Roger if I walk into my bank and swap my cash for a 1 year fixed rate bond.
I’ve just reduced the UK government budget deficit and added to the UK national debt.
When it matures and gets swapped back into cash. I’ve reduced the UK national debt and added to the UK budget deficit.
Millions of people do this all of the time . Rather than have their savings sitting as cash.
There’s two sides to a balance sheet the liability side the budget and deficit and the asset side non government sectors savings. Which the private sector, households and businesses, hold as cash or some other saving asset.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 15 2025 21:39 utc | 237

***You all forget(maybe willfully) that us midterm elections are less than 2 years from now and campaign will begin in spring next year. ***
Posted by: louis | Feb 15 2025 21:29 utc | 233
Maybe. The conventional wisdom is that the house majority will switch. But MAGA is not the Republican Party. Look at the polling in the 18 to 25 demographic, which consists of covid policy and cancellation victims. This demo used to be owned by Democrats. Now, this demo sees the Democrat Party as the party of their parents and grandparents and very not cool. MAGA is rocketships and disruption of a stifling order. Democrats are dementia, VP Giggles and wars that could suck them in.

Posted by: frithguild | Feb 15 2025 21:43 utc | 238

Thank you b! For this and the other post I see this morning. Both are excellent examples of your ability to analyze what the US is subject to from its non-democratic media. I truly appreciate you reading and others listening, because I don’t and won’t until that last Augean stable (possibly the stinkiest one) gets cleaned.
What a great speech that was of Vance!

Posted by: juliania | Feb 15 2025 21:44 utc | 239

pepe | Feb 15 2025 16:19 utc | 101
*** No one with reason in Deutschland will support the rise of the AfD. The polls are just a distraction for the masses and serving the interests of external foreign agents.***
Why not?
It would appear that — with the sole exception of the BSW — all other parties now around have been consistently stabbing Germany and the Germans in the back.
AfD could not be worse than the big Establishment parties have already been, and intend to be.
Seems that the AfD is now semi-Establishment itself anyway.

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 15 2025 21:49 utc | 240

Posted by: louis | Feb 15 2025 21:29 utc | 233
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The British Project is 300 years old.
Trump has thrown a wrench into things that will be difficult to recover from.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 21:54 utc | 241

kupkee | Feb 15 2025 16:29 utc | 107
*** First move should be a Public Hanging of Zelenski as a token of Good Faith. ***
Boris Johnson should be available for a practice run.

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 15 2025 21:55 utc | 242

Sid, 195
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A book was published fairly recently with a title to the effect of
USA Breakup: Is the Time Approaching
Or some such.
Meanwhile here is a wet dream from Chatham House—surely you know who those folks are.
https://www.chathamhouse.org/2024/02/could-united-states-be-headed-national-divorce
Breakup of the USA is a terrible idea.
IMO those who push for this haven’t thought deeply about the ramifications.
And, take a good ad hominem look at who keeps the idea in circulation.
Now that Trump has decisively won the 2024 election I think it will be harder to keep that balloon in the air.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 15 2025 21:59 utc | 243

Calling Vance hypocritical because he is rejecting Biden (puppet) internationalist backers policies does not seem correct.
Posted by: jopalolive | Feb 15 2025 13:42 utc | 20
I agree. b has been on a roll lately, but I find this to be one of a few of his takes on this speech that sounds out of tune.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Feb 15 2025 22:00 utc | 244

The US economy is rammed full of non government sector savings at the moment. Either held as cash or held in some other savings asset by the public. Thanks to Joe Biden.
Capitalism is run on sales and those savings when spent by the public will boost sales.
Or
Using a gold standard , fixed exchange rate type lens. Sound money ideology.
You can return to austerity balance the budget and destroy those non government sector savings in aggregate.
Replace those household and business savings with bank lending. Bank lending is used instead to boost sales.
Household savings are replaced with private sector debt. The quick quid economy , pounds in your pockets economy. Households are forced into the loan sharks that offer very high interest rates to borrow. Credit cards at exuberant rates are advertised on TV.
It has been tried many times before every time ends up the same way. Financial crises with people kicked out of their homes with rampant unemployment.
Those that caused it. With their sound money ideology swoop in and buy up property and businesses and other assets on the cheap.
These brown shirts are going to destroy household savings on aggregate replace them with tax cuts to The rich and tariffs.
The usual culprits will do very well out of it. Households on the other hand…..
Answers on a postcard.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 15 2025 22:00 utc | 245

Aleph_Null | Feb 15 2025 16:49 utc | 117
*** The US will say, too bad, so sad, we get our mineral rights or no peace deal.***
Quite possibly.
To which the answer ought to be
“Nice volcano you’ve got there in Yellowstone….”

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 15 2025 22:05 utc | 246

The Executive Branch does not have the authority to impound spending once the Budget has been made Law by Congress.
U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 7, clause 1
“No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”
The impoundment of payment by DOGE is unlawful.
Posted by: too scents | Feb 15 2025 20:01 utc | 204
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Yah but . . .
I think DOGE is saying that payments have been made that were not authorized and for which no appropriations were made by Congress. Fraudulent payments to nonexistent entities. Among other things.
And I believe DOGE is saying that they are basically doing audits that have not been carried out on expenditures.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 15 2025 22:07 utc | 247

Posted by: frithguild | Feb 15 2025 19:23 utc | 193
The thing is it’s not new technology, all that has happened is that the military have caught up with violent non-state actors, who for years have re-purposed commercial drones as substitutes for the conventional capabilities they lack. The explosion in the availability of increasingly sophisticated commercial drones and their ability to initially solve the differing problems both sides were experiencing in the SMO have now created a perfect storm which is temporarily re-shaping warfare.
The next time they are used, in such a large scale fashion, they probably will not be as effective, an historical cycle that will continue until they are just another tool in the box, highly effective but not tactically dominant as they are now.

Posted by: Milites | Feb 15 2025 22:07 utc | 248

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 15 2025 14:30 utc | 41
DunGroanin, thank you for starting off so well with the quote from Orban:

As Victor says – and it makes Tucker break his serious face mask – “it’s bad news for lovers of conspiracy theories, they are going to need a whole new lot…”

But alas, your post falls for that very conspiracy theory (not to mention bad language) that many others have fallen for when commenting on the Vance speech. The ‘objection’ being raised is that Vance doesn’t apologize for the previous administration’s crimes.
He doesn’t have to!For one thing, Trump has made it clear that he is cleaning up after Biden (who will have to answer, as will those in his administration, for whatever they have done – if not to a court, to history and to whatever the universe has in store for them.)
But also, Europe should be able to make their own decisions, and any government thereof is responsible to its people for the decisions it has made.
Grow up, people! If I, an elderly citizen not very wise about such things, can sort this out, you can as well! As a new ‘conspiracy theory’ that seeks to put guilt on all US citizens who have been longing for a government that will say what Vance is saying about democracy — this one sucks!

Posted by: juliania | Feb 15 2025 22:19 utc | 249

Conservatives pretend they fight for families and the conservative way of life.
By brainwashing them as children to view the world through a gold standard , fixed exchange rate type lens. The public actually believe it.
George Osbourne using his gold standard, fixed exchange rate lens as he destroyed the the government deficit and tried to run a budget surplus ( as if it was going to give him more gold bars to spend )
Destroyed the household saving ratio to the lowest ratio since records began.
The 1.7% household savings rate the percentage of UK household disposable income saved after what they have spent on consumption goods and services. But over the quarter, UK households also spent on investment goods (e.g. buying new-build homes or doing up existing ones). In Q1 2017, once we include this expenditure, UK households spent £17.5bn more than their income.
More alarming is the fact that, had they not done so, the UK economy would likely have fallen into recession.
From running a government budget deficit ( private sector surplus). He ran a budget surplus pushed UK households into a £17.5bn deficit.
Loaded households up with private sector debt to boost sales.
It was that bad Quick quid and pounds in your pockets and other loan sharks that were offering lending at 300% interest rates that households were turning to just to get by actually went bankrupt. They no longer exist.
So many households turned to these predators and credit card companies all over our TV sets just to pay the monthly bills. Since public services had now been privatised and were extracting rent in a massive scale.
As soon as people couldn’t pay they went bankrupt. Osbourne after transferring £ billions to the banks and the financial sector ( Tory backers ) using his gold standard , fixed exchange rate lens. Had to change course and desperately try and run a government budget deficit again. Put more money into the economy than he was taking out in taxes.
Is was a full frontal assault on families and their way of life. The Brainwashed thinks the right love them.
Farage will do EXACTLY the same and serve the financial sector. Families voting for him can’t see it.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 15 2025 22:27 utc | 250

Posted by: Jane | Feb 15 2025 22:07 utc | 247
As I understand the Constitution, it forbids to SPEND money from the Treasury that’s not been appropriated. Can this also apply to NOT SPENDING money that has been appropriated? After all, there is no damage done to the Treasury while the spending is halted.

Posted by: umuntu | Feb 15 2025 22:28 utc | 251

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 15 2025 19:53 utc | 202
By the summer of 1863 the union navy was the second largest in the world with more tonnage of ironclad ships, although mostly greenwater, than even the royal navy. By 1865 it was equal in tonnage to the RN although at a disadvantage in blue water ironclads. By the time the Russian fleet showed up in New York harbor in the fall of 1863 the RN had already concluded that any attempt to break the blockade of the south would result in defeat and cause the likely loss of Canada.
Was it a nice gesture on the part of Russia? Yes but it would have made about as much difference as New Zealand did against the imperial Japanese navy in WW2.

Posted by: Badjoke | Feb 15 2025 22:30 utc | 252

Reply to frithguild #238
You are likely right about USA people; in europe younger persons(<30 years old) are 110% EU/Green/DEI/LGBTQ/Slava 404 (UKR) and so on.

Posted by: louis | Feb 15 2025 22:32 utc | 253

The Executive Branch does not have the authority to impound spending once the Budget has been made Law by Congress.
U.S. Constitution, Article I, section 7, clause 1
“No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.”
The impoundment of payment by DOGE is unlawful.
Posted by: too scents | Feb 15 2025 20:01 utc | 204
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What many do not understand are the differences between law and custom.
10% for the “Big Guy” is also not in the Constitution, and yet it happened.
Sure the Constitution says something. Laws have said that Palestine exists with Jerusalem as its capital. Laws say that the Minsk agreements were guaranteed by the Germans and the French.
People treat the law as some hard rule. It is not. Who will adjudicated? Who will enforce it?
Most Americans aren’t even aware of the power of jury trials and how juries can overrule the law.
It can be illegal to do “X” but if a jury of peers decides that it was no big deal, or that the law doesn’t reflect the community’s values, they can overrule that law. Judges HATE this.
This process is known as “nullification’.
This sort of thing happened in Russia over the last few years when some guy in a village was diddling kids, and his neighbor beat him to death. The state authorities pretended it never happened because, in the community’s eyes, justice was done.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 22:33 utc | 254

Posted by: frithguild | Feb 15 2025 21:43 utc | 238
Absolutely, and don’t forget the Democratic Party and it’s MSM shield are essentially shattered, as a result of their respective roles in the failed soft-coup the DS launched in 2020. Ideologically out of step with its core constituencies and with the DS, who provided it with covert funding conduits, being exposed and weakened, it’s even possible that in two years the Democrats will not survive the Trumpkrieg’s ever widening attacks. Even if it does manage to limp on, any change in direction will result in a civil war between the cultists and the realists, all relayed, unfiltered, 24/7 by SM.

Posted by: Milites | Feb 15 2025 22:33 utc | 255

Posted by: mk | Feb 15 2025 16:23 utc | 104
Good and important point, mk!

Posted by: juliania | Feb 15 2025 22:35 utc | 256

@ Jane | Feb 15 2025 18:52 utc | 178
i agree with you on the quick overview on canada’s role here, and i am a canuck…
@ Lex | Feb 15 2025 20:48 utc | 222
lex, do you think what the trump admin is doing with regard to usaid is a bad thing?? i am curious.. i suppose i could ask roger boyd this same question… thanks in advance for any response on this..

Posted by: james | Feb 15 2025 22:38 utc | 257

Posted by: frithguild | Feb 15 2025 21:43 utc | 238 Judicial review was argued and defended in The Federalist Papers #78. The concept of judges ruling against the King (the President by analogy with America) on the basis of pre-existent common law (case precedents and juridical principles articulated in those cases) was articulated by Edward Coke, coming close to an explicit formulation in the Case of Prohibitions, Dr. Bonham’s Case and Fuller’s Case. Coke was very prominent in the struggles against the Stuarts in the period before the English Civil War. He was a mentor by the way of Roger Williams, the Rhode Island guy. Later, Blackstone became more acceptable for his explicit avowal of parliamentary superiority…but the idea that federal common law could overrule state legislatures was strongly upheld by Josph Story, who was very influential, rivaling John Marshall for impact.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 15 2025 22:41 utc | 258

Germany´s FM, lost in translation Annalena Baerbock, thinks thre there are three main threats to her “democracy”…in this order..
1.- Putin´s Russia
2.- Far-right
3.- Islamic structures.
https://t.me/InessaFromYoutube/7991
Of which at least two, for not saying the three factors, are a creation of “her democracy” as she showed by visiting, along the French “defendr of her democracy” by her side, btw, and offering her respect, to the current AQ head-choppers in charge in Syria…
Such a dumb person believes she talks to dumb people in Europe…I can not wait to see her fading into oblivion from public sphere prefereably throug an Arab Islamic harem…much of her liking…
She is going to feed plenty for the next week of memes all around…

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Feb 15 2025 22:52 utc | 259

Posted by: Jane | Feb 15 2025 21:59 utc | 243
“Breakup of the USA is a terrible idea.”
On the contrary, breaking up the USA is the most desirable idea in circulation today. The USA is the most warlike, destructive, criminal, brainless, crazy, aggressive, capitalist (with all that word implies – greed, environmental destruction, etc., etc.), on the surface of the planet. Breaking it up into five or six mutually competitive, statelets would divert all that evil into, possibly, interstate warfare, or at least the lack of a concerted ability to interfere in the affairs of the rest of the world for the foreseeable future.
PS – in a previous post – your ‘idea’ of Turkey driving through Syria to annex Gaza has a possible flaw – namely that in order to do that Turkey would also have to drive through practically all of Israel. Maybe look at a map next time you have such suggestions – (of course we all understand that US citizens don’t understand the concept of maps, but anyway . . .

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Feb 15 2025 22:56 utc | 260

Badjoke | Feb 15 2025 22:30 utc | 252–
Thanks for your reply. Ironclads were confined to rivers. Most that tried to transit via the sea sank. Southern blockade runners often bult in England operated with impunity as the Union Navy had nowhere near the number of ships to properly enforce the blockade. The ironclads were THE major weapon to make the Anaconda Plan work by strangling Confederate commerce–internally and externally. Union control of New Orleans was essential. One of the major errors made by the Fire Eaters was their belief that the South’s King Cotton would rule and provoke British support. Wrong as the Brits just shifted cultivation to their own colonial establishment, which caused a further depression in the South after the war since there was now a global market for cotton.
The US Civil War’s a very sad tale whose fallout remains today, both domestically and in foreign policy.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 15 2025 23:00 utc | 261

You are likely right about USA people; in europe younger persons(<30 years old) are 110% EU/Green/DEI/LGBTQ/Slava 404 (UKR) and so on.
Posted by: louis | Feb 15 2025 22:32 utc | 253
Anyone with doubts about the sentiments of the 18-25 USA demographic should see the world through these eyes:
https://youtu.be/MLl2D5VRL0o?si=8I0_9ynmMsdev-gx

Posted by: frithguild | Feb 15 2025 23:07 utc | 262

@WMG | Sat, 15 Feb 2025 16:21:00 GMT | 102

But then the US has to accept that the US will heve “less influence” over Europe. Time for Europe to join the BRICS ?

In other words the US will have to accept reality. I don’t think Europe will join BRICS however, they have their own bloc after all. More likely Europe will be separate from BRIS and the US. They can balance against Russia/China or bandwagon with them.

Posted by: James M. | Feb 15 2025 23:11 utc | 263

OT—OT—OT—OT
For those interested, and I know many are, Hudson’s talk with Ben Norton about the gold market and its many decades of manipulation is now available in transcript, “Why Gold Prices Should Rise—But Don’t”. Here’s a highlight:
“It has always been political. And the newspapers don’t want to talk about politics, because if they talked about politics, all of a sudden people would realize the Western political and economic system cannot last in the way that it’s structured now.
“When you talk about politics, you realize the game is over for the West.”
Happy reading!

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 15 2025 23:11 utc | 264

“… what’s the impact of what’s been said over the last 48 hours by Trump and his officials on the overall negotiation atmosphere? What signals were sent? No one on this thread has contemplated any of that. Yes, Vance threw a grenade into the European Conference room and everyone scattered, while the non-European guests sat and watched.”

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 15 2025 19:32 utc | 194
Well, karlof1 — and I do follow up on your links, though that mightn’t be the endorsement you want as you haven’t commented on my comments either, or at least I haven’t seen that you did. I know you are very busy, me too! — I can’t really judge the signals being sent by Vance’s speech, but there have been reactions to it, and lots of commentary here about such reactions.
I would say Vance’s point is well taken, as one directed at European leadership that they are their own worst enemies. And I would further say that this needed to be said and Vance was a good one to say it. I think Russia would appreciate that but it’s just a guess. It has been an instructive opportunity not to be wasted. And the reactions are instructive as well, be they as they may.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 15 2025 23:11 utc | 265

LoveDonbass@236…..there a select few of us here at MOA that have been consistent and have always believed that The City Of London and it’s Zionist banking consortium of old EU wealth, the Families, are behind most of the world’s current afflictions.
Cheers M
…..Don knows full well where the Dossier came from, who created it and who payed for it to be made public, lots of shoulder checking by the culprits….

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 15 2025 23:12 utc | 266

Events are moving swiftly at the outset as it appears Saudi Arabia will be the venue for initial talks that might include a face-to-face with Trump and Putin.
Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 15 2025 19:43 utc | 197
Thanks for this, karlof1!

Posted by: juliania | Feb 15 2025 23:17 utc | 267

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What many do not understand are the differences between law and custom.
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Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 22:33 utc | 254
As far as impoundment, the 1803 Congress passed an appropriation for Pres. Jefferson to build gunboats for deployment in the area of the Louisiana territories. He never built the boats because the Louisiana purchase was in the works. No big deal. There are other examples.
The argument is the power to refrain from spending an appropriation is an executive perogative. Encroachment on that excersise of discretion by Congress or the Court runs counter to separation of powers.

Posted by: frithguild | Feb 15 2025 23:20 utc | 268

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Feb 15 2025 13:26 utc | 9
It’d be interesting to see how Putin, Lavrov and anyone else who doesn’t have the memory of a gnat for that matter react to that, as they (at least Putin, Lavrov and Zakharova) have implicated the US (or the “Anglo-Saxons”) for starting the conflict in 2014.
https://t.me/ddgeopolitics/138977 (emphasis mine)

🇺🇸💬🇺🇦🇷🇺 Here you can see a classic example of how the US operates, and why they need 2 parties, and constant change. The cycle goes like this:
➡️Start trouble
➡️If the plan is successful, then move on
➡️If the plan fails, you always have another party “to start fresh”, act like a savior, and blame everything on the previous administration
➡️That way you don’t really have to admit systemic error because “mistakes were made but we are working on fixing them”, and people who don’t pay close attention will applaud
➡️In reality, nothing changes, they all have the same ideas of American exceptionalism
Don’t buy into it. Like Kellogg doesn’t know why Biden wasn’t talking to Putin, and what the original plan was. The US is not the peacemaker, it’s the reason for this mess.

Posted by: joey_n | Feb 15 2025 23:27 utc | 269

Ukraine “peace talks” scheduled to be held soon in Saudi Arabia. Wykoff, Rubio & Walz will meet with high level Russian delegation. Ukraine gets to fulminate with the otherwise demoted Kellogg. Europe is not invited.
That was fast. Does the Gaza genocide/expulsion just carry on simultaneously? or what is going on?

Posted by: jayc | Feb 15 2025 23:28 utc | 270

Posted by: pepe | Feb 15 2025 14:06 utc | 36
“Free Speech on Retreat? Not sure what Vance is going about [jetlag of some sort], but pro-Palestinians and supporters of human rights are this afternoon peacefully marching in London towards the US of A embassy in the vacinity of Vauxhall bridge.”
Britain has groups of people who are allowed to protest and those who aren’t. Pro-Palestinian protestors? Fine and dandy. Pro-life activist praying silently, head bowed, 60 yards from an abortion facility? Jail. I’m not sure I would call that free speech. To really be free it must extend to everyone.

Posted by: Paranaense | Feb 15 2025 23:29 utc | 271

The argument is the power to refrain from spending an appropriation is an executive perogative. Encroachment on that excersise of discretion by Congress or the Court runs counter to separation of powers.
Posted by: frithguild | Feb 15 2025 23:20 utc | 268
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Our friend is upset because he doesn’t believe that elections have consequences (to paraphrase Obama).
I am a big fan of a strong Executive for every country.
Weak executives yield Trudeau, Scholz, and Macron results.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 23:33 utc | 272

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 15 2025 22:41 utc | 258
Your points a out judicial review
are well made. Perhaps ” out of whole cloth” went to far. However, the Constitution conceptually was written to memorialize specific and enumerated powers. Judicial review appears nowhere as specific or enumerated. Common law (which go back to the petty assizes) really should have had nothing to do with it.
The result of the judicial review siezure of power is 9 people who like to wear costumes have trashed the written word, making Washing DC the stinking cesspool it now is. But that cow has left the barn.

Posted by: frithguild | Feb 15 2025 23:35 utc | 273

Posted by: frithguild | Feb 15 2025 23:20 utc | 268
Are we insisting that everything President Jefferson did was lawful? I certainly don’t see that as given.

Posted by: a stone | Feb 15 2025 23:47 utc | 274

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 23:33 utc | 272
Macron would be a counter-example. The French executive is among the strongest in the world. It was hand-crafted for De Gaulle.

Posted by: a stone | Feb 15 2025 23:50 utc | 275

***The explosion in the availability of increasingly sophisticated commercial drones and their ability to initially solve the differing problems both sides were experiencing in the SMO have now created a perfect storm which is temporarily re-shaping warfare.***
Posted by: Milites | Feb 15 2025 22:07 utc | 248
Appreciate the insight that has a military experience lense.
It seems technology as deployed now cancels much ability to engage in maneuver warfare or even deep battle exploits at least in terrain like the Donbass. Steppe may be a different game. Wooded area seems to have a fortress like quality. Just my uneducated musings.
Your use of “temporarily” intrigues. I cannot imagine what Dronewar II has in store.

Posted by: frithguild | Feb 16 2025 0:00 utc | 276

Are we insisting that everything President Jefferson did was lawful? I certainly don’t see that as given.
Posted by: a stone | Feb 15 2025 23:47 utc | 274
I wasn’t aware I was insisting.
The gunboat story is just one brick in the argument. Not spending an appropriation was once a good thing. The Constigution as written does not require exhaustion of an appropriation.
Demanding every dime of an appropriation must be spent is the sickening squealing of pigs at the government trough.

Posted by: frithguild | Feb 16 2025 0:13 utc | 277

Posted by: a stone | Feb 15 2025 23:50 utc | 275
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“results”

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 16 2025 0:22 utc | 278

Trump has reportedly threatened to pull US troops out of EU/Nato if EU refuses to go along with an assumed peace deal with Russia. We’ll see how poodels respond, but by gut feeling they will change their toon soon.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 16 2025 0:25 utc | 279

“The Europeanisation of Nato, framed as a necessity following US withdrawal, has accelerated the continent’s militarisation and its leaders’ demonisation of Russia, perpetuating the very conditions that caused the conflict in Ukraine in the first place. Instead of using this moment to engage in diplomacy, European leaders view the US retreat as a reason to escalate militarily. In this sense, Washington’s decoupling from Europe is at odds with Trump’s stated aim of achieving peace in Ukraine.

Ironically, the US’s attempt to distance itself from European security affairs may ultimately pull it back into an even larger conflict — one that it will have far less control over.”
This would be quite an achievement after completely de-industrialising themselves. Europe’s economy is going down the toilet, so how are they going to start a war with anyone?

Posted by: ObZ | Feb 16 2025 0:53 utc | 280

Thanks for the replies everyone.
Wasn’t expecting our host Bernard to be so busy and churning out excellent reports. Also, good to see a certain toxic poster is MIA here (fingers crossed).
As a non US citizen, my observation of DOGE is that of an auditing firm.
It’s not a precedent. A video was played in Congress showing both Pres Clinton and Obama justifying such structures.
DOGE doesn’t stop payments. The Secretary acting as Administrator of said Fed agencies does.
Lex and SoA may have factual tidbits that are relevant but their final conclusions are based on wrong assumptions.
But their warnings are relevant.
Make no mistake that whatever emerges from the US when the dust settles is still a threat to the Global Order most of us here believe possible.
I just want to congratulates most here for withstanding a trillion dollars or more worth of propaganda.
Cheers.

Posted by: Suresh | Feb 16 2025 0:58 utc | 281

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 15 2025 22:27 utc | 250
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Who is Osbourne?
Oh, Never mind.
This comment seems to be far OT.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 16 2025 1:12 utc | 282

This would be quite an achievement after completely de-industrialising themselves. Europe’s economy is going down the toilet, so how are they going to start a war with anyone?
Posted by: ObZ | Feb 16 2025 0:53 utc | 280
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Exactimundo.
They (Scholz) said basically nothing when USUK blew up Nord Stream 2.
Like opening your wrists.
Even though half the investment was European money.
And the sanctions meant that no more Urals oil flowed through pipelines directly into a major refinery (can’t recall name, starts with S) that was engineered to process precisely that grade of oil.
What were they thinking? What are they thinking now?
“Oh, s—!”

Posted by: Jane | Feb 16 2025 1:20 utc | 283

juliania | Feb 15 2025 23:11 utc | 265–
Thanks for your reply. It’s Saturday, when I’m fortunate to get the computer turned on by 10am and 300 comments were already posted on the today’s twin threads. Much as usual was inane and polluted by flea shit. Then there were the 30 comments I replied to at my substack. But here’s something, “The Second Phone Call: Rubio-Lavrov”. Now it’s time to put more wood on the fire and find out what else I’ve missed it being Saturday and all. Oh, and a belated Happy Valentine’s Day!! And as my wife asked, what will be dye this Easter with eggs at $7/dozen–potatoes?

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 16 2025 1:20 utc | 284

I get the sense that TPTB want to separate the US from the EU, but keep the EU belligerent and wanting to continue the Ukraine war, in so doing keeping their patronage of the MIC, keeping the pressure on the RF, and keep killing Slavic peoples.
A completely hypocritical speech like Vance’s would serve to rile them while urging US policy into a different direction.

Posted by: pepa65 | Feb 16 2025 1:20 utc | 285

It seems to me that there’s no constitutional obligation for a president to spend all of the funds budgeted for a particular agency. If, however, a president cuts funding and staffing to an agency such that it can no longer execute the functions specifically enumerated by Congress in establishing the agency…well, that’s another matter and for the courts and/or Congress to deal with.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 16 2025 1:25 utc | 286

Posted by: GioCon | Feb 15 2025 15:21 utc | 72
“Vance ought to give his “free speech” rant in Washington, where his boss has signed an EO threatening anyone who criticizes Israel.”
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/01/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-takes-forceful-and-unprecedented-steps-to-combat-anti-semitism/
I took a minute to scan the EO you referenced. It doesn’t say anything about criticism of Israel. It says the government will protect the civil rights of Jewish Americans (are they entitled to civil rights?), “aggressively prosecute terroristic threats, arson, vandalism and violence against American Jews,” and cancel student visas for those participating in pro-jihadist activities. Unless you are suggesting that Jews don’t have civil rights or that they have to accept being the target of threats and violence then your argument falls flat.

Posted by: Paranaense | Feb 16 2025 1:26 utc | 287

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 16 2025 1:20 utc | 284
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Good news! (link)
I do hope the US side has some competent Russian speakers.
Expecting the other party to travel more than the linguistic half-mile is just another signal of hubris—a rather provincial one at that.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 16 2025 1:26 utc | 288

Working Class Hero – John Lennon
As soon as you’re born, they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
‘Til the pain is so big you feel nothing at all
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
They hurt you at home and they hit you at school
They hate you if you’re clever and they despise a fool
‘Til you’re so fucking crazy you can’t follow their rules
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
When they’ve tortured and scared you for 20 odd years
Then they expect you to pick a career
When you can’t really function, you’re so full of fear
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
And you think you’re so clever and classless and free
But you’re still fucking peasants as far as I can see
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
There’s room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill
A working class hero is something to be
A working class hero is something to be
If you want to be a hero, well, just follow me
If you want to be a hero, well, just follow me

Posted by: Siddhartha | Feb 16 2025 1:29 utc | 289

they have to accept being the target of threats and violence then your argument falls flat.
Posted by: Paranaense | Feb 16 2025 1:26 utc | 287
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Trump’s EO targets the free speech of foreign students.
It is now an established Israel Lobby policy to control the narrative in the USA by casting any and all criticism of Israel and advocacy for Palestinian rights as anti-semitism and threats to Jews and even, absurdly, “Jihad.” This is chronicled and documented in excrutiating detail in Pappe, Lobbying for Zionism on Both Sides of the Atlantic.” See esp. Chapter 8. These are official policies followed by a huge octopus of formal and informal, professional and volunteer, PR firms. It is the purpose of whole ministries in Israel devoted to communications.
AFAIK it is aggressive and hostile Zionist students and professional provocateurs etc. who have actually threatened and physically attacked protesters. Then of course they cry “victim!”
Trump has not always been on good terms with AIPAC and the Israel Lobby. At some point we might see some cracks there. At this point in time Trump has to keep this extremely powerful Zionist (Jewish +Christian Zionist) bloc orderly and satisfied.
This EO might be in the way of tossing these mad dogs a bone. Especially if he might be thinking about some future moves that they won’t like.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 16 2025 1:38 utc | 290

This was an extremely insightful post, B!!
“Vance also criticized mass immigration to Europe. But he is neglecting the fact that the streams of Afghan, Syrian and Ukrainian refugees are a consequence of wars that the U.S. has caused and is waging. He laments the de-industrialization of Germany but ignores the U.S. bombing of the Nord Stream pipelines which is the greatest cause of it.”
INDEED.
But more so, this:
“The Europeanisation of Nato, framed as a necessity following US withdrawal, has accelerated the continent’s militarisation and its leaders’ demonisation of Russia, perpetuating the very conditions that caused the conflict in Ukraine in the first place. Instead of using this moment to engage in diplomacy, European leaders view the US retreat as a reason to escalate militarily. In this sense, Washington’s decoupling from Europe is at odds with Trump’s stated aim of achieving peace in Ukraine.

Ironically, the US’s attempt to distance itself from European security affairs may ultimately pull it back into an even larger conflict.”
INDEED, again. Maybe, just maybe that is the PLAN. Trump is trying to get EU countries to give more to their own defense @5%!! I can’t recall which EU leader it was, but this person said the quiet part out loud: We need to cut SPENDING ON SOCIAL PROGRAMS TO MEET THAT GOAL” aka 5%.
With their economies in tatters, due to US Russophobia and it’s war against it, as well as the cut off of cheap Russian gas, seriously where is that money for this 5% goal? I wonder how long EU citizens, already screwed over by the US, in acting as US vassals,will go along with this madness before they step up and say enough is ENOUGH
Also, read an MSDNC propaganda article today about Trump Admin official meeting in Saudi Arabia with Russian officials. Rubio, Kellogg the moron and another one, can’t recall the name, aren’t even there yet and they are talking about Russia ceding territory and making sanctions EVEN more brutal for Russia íf they don’t comply
Why didn’t Russia or Putin learn during Trump’s first term?
The only way this war ends is on the battlefield

Posted by: Kay | Feb 16 2025 1:43 utc | 291

@Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 15 2025 20:11 utc | 209
You need to go study the actual realities of the examples you make before you throw them out.
Postwar Britain:
The pound was devalued by 30% in 1949 and rationing and other consumption limits were kept in place well into the 1950s. Also Britain continued to benefit from unequal trade with the sterling zone into the 1960s and the physical destruction of much of the industries of Europe and Japan. In addition, it was the period of the post-war miracle with other nations growing faster then the UK and therefore sucking in imports until their own industries recovered from wartime damage; the UK was deflationary on a relative basis. UK productivity was also rising relatively quickly in the 1950s. Even with all of this, the UK was subject to “stop and go” as a surge in demand would suck in imports and have to be met with deflation. The UK was also heavily dependent on financing from the US.
Through the 1950s the UK ran a government budget surplus, while GDP grew somewhat and inflation helped work down the debt as a percentage of GDP. The financial sector was also heavily government controlled and manipulated to keep long term interest rates relatively low. This more than halved the level of debt by the end of the 1950s. Yes, the NHS was funded but within a generally demand restriction environment with military spending being rapidly reduced. Britain’s foreign bases were closed one after the other as the Empire was given up. The debt had been run up during the war, completely dependent upon lending from the US designed to keep the UK in the war. Below is a very good article on how Britain paid down the debt in the 1950s. Some of the parts of the NHS that had been planned were not implemented because of financial issues.
https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/the-uk-economy-in-the-1950s/
The pound had to be devalued again in 1967, as Germany and France etc. had fully recovered and UK industry started its long term collapse.
Japan Last 25 years:
Japan has been running a trade surplus, a current account surplus (3.6% of GDP in 2023 and it has been higher than that) helped by a very significant capital account surplus for decades. The latter is due to the very large net positive foreign investment position of Japan, it has a continuous flow of US$’s especially flowing home from the investments abroad. Not just financial investments, but all those factories abroad remitting profits. It does not need to borrow to fund its imports, quite the opposite it is an ongoing investor abroad.
Over the past 25 years the Japanese economy has to all intents and purposes not grown. Its imports are limited by deflation at home, the effect of the overhang of the massive debt/financial crisis in the 1990s, a move to neoliberal anti-worker policies and more recently demographic decline. It still has a strong manufacturing export sector. Its domestic inflation has generally been below that of other nations, which means that a stable inflation rate is actually a real devaluation each year. Many times its very low interest rates were still positive in real terms due to the price deflation. Japan also has a massive postal savings fund which the state has used to buy up huge amounts of government debt at low interest rates. The central bank has also monetized about 40% of Japanese government debt.
Basically Japan has been going through an ongoing internal deflation, with massive monetization to hold back the full impact of the 1980s/1990s financial bubble – kicking the can down the road. The deflation means that the Yen has been falling in real terms, which is very obvious when you visit the country and see how cheap it is in US$ terms vs. the 1990s. Japan started this 25+ year process with relatively low levels of government debt.
Both examples are not relative to the US today, which does not have a big brother to keep lending it money with no real limit to keep it in WW2, is not running a government budget surplus, and is running large trade and current account deficits (it now has a net deficit with respect to foreign investments) among many of the other major differences.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 16 2025 1:45 utc | 292

“But he is neglecting the fact that the streams of Afghan, Syrian and Ukrainian refugees are a consequence of wars that the U.S. has caused and is waging. He laments the de-industrialization of Germany but ignores the U.S. bombing of the Nord Stream pipelines which is the greatest cause of it.”
Not all of the migrants streaming into Europe are the results of US-instigated wars. Also, some of those wars (in Syria) were instigated on behalf of the Zionist state, and saying a word against the the latter is against the law in Europe.
The Trump administration is not responsible for sabotaging Nord Stream. Trump —if he mentions it at all, or when he mentions it—should dump it completely in the laps of Biden & Co. and of the European suckers who stood by and went along with the tragic farce and said not a mumbling word.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 16 2025 1:58 utc | 293

Posted by: Jane | Feb 16 2025 1:58 utc | 293
Jane, can’t you see that its your country that’s responsible for many of the ills in the world whoever is the president.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Feb 16 2025 2:10 utc | 294

@ 280 ObZ
“”European leaders view the US retreat as a reason to escalate militarily….European security affairs may ultimately [lead to] an even larger conflict””
“This would be quite an achievement after completely de-industrialising themselves. Europe’s economy is going down the toilet, so how are they going to start a war with anyone?”
Same ways as usual, upsetting enough people or a neighbouring country.
‘Nothing like a war to round people together and get them to work’
(And take control of everything)
For now they want spending, that will cause antagonism between european countries. Assuming it is washed through then you end up with the icon of that spending, a large centralised military with a projected enemy, but also able to overpower/’defend’ any member nation (from national insurection, why not) . That is not even considering taking it all to the next level of challenging Russia by opening a new conflict. Of course, there would have to be continued rhetoric to psyche up everyone for several years, so why waste the existing momentum and instead not keep up argument with Russia ?
These people, they have nothing better to do, it is their ‘reason for being’. They are nobodies otherwise.
EU saves europe by taking it to war.
Sometimes people seem so stupid as to be able to believe that.
FOMO probably.

Posted by: Ornot | Feb 16 2025 2:11 utc | 295

Paranaense | Feb 16 2025 1:26 utc | 287
*** Unless you are suggesting that Jews don’t have civil rights or that they have to accept being the target of threats and violence then your argument falls flat. ***
So how come all other US citizens presumably do not have the same rights?

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 16 2025 2:16 utc | 296

Jane, can’t you see that its your country that’s responsible for many of the ills in the world whoever is the president.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Feb 16 2025 2:10 utc | 294
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The comment is not about “many of the ills of the world.”
Too bad you cannot accept the validity of my observation.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 16 2025 2:34 utc | 297

@Roger Boyd | Sun, 16 Feb 2025 01:45:00 GMT | 292

Japan Last 25 years:
Japan has been running a trade surplus, a current account surplus (3.6% of GDP in 2023 and it has been higher than that) helped by a very significant capital account surplus for decades. The latter is due to the very large net positive foreign investment position of Japan, it has a continuous flow of US$’s especially flowing home from the investments abroad. Not just financial investments, but all those factories abroad remitting profits. It does not need to borrow to fund its imports, quite the opposite it is an ongoing investor abroad.

This is called a red herring fallacy. It is designed to divert attention from the main topic, by superficially connecting it to some other topic that isn’t relevant. Sun of Alabama made no mention of Japan’s trade balance, only that Japan has a large public debt and runs budget deficits, which is true. Japan’s trade balance is immaterial to its debt, which currently stands at 262% of its GDP, the highest in the world. It causes real problems for Japan’s economy, including weakening the yen.

Posted by: James M. | Feb 16 2025 2:41 utc | 298

b.: “By pushing nationalist parties against European institution he is endangering peace in Europe.”
Please explain. Sounds like NYT drivel.

Posted by: Tichy | Feb 16 2025 2:42 utc | 299

@Tichy | Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:42:00 GMT | 299

Please explain. Sounds like NYT drivel.

The theory goes that without institutional mechanisms as checks, the Europeans will default to a more aggressive posture toward each other. Nationalism is considered one of the main causes of both world wars. This is also the impetus for the creation of both NATO and the pan-European “project.” To protect from external threats, yes, but also internal ones. Specifically, keeping France and Germany from fighting each other over the Alsace-Lorraine province.
Remember the EU emerged from the ECSC, which was designed to integrate France and Germany, and their bordering countries, by trading for coal and steel (which are used in the manufacture of weapons). Also, as to NATO, this quote from Lord Ismay is particularly relevant: The purpose of the NATO alliance is “to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down.”

Posted by: James M. | Feb 16 2025 3:08 utc | 300