Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
February 17, 2025
U.S. Questions For European Governments – Another Wake-up Call

U.S. Vice President JD Vance has held up a mirror to Europe's 'elite' which did not like to acknowledge what could be seen in it: Minions, a lot of minions.

"But our common values?" cried Christoph Heusgen, the chairman of the Munich Security Conference.

What values Mr. Heusgen? Those displayed daily, with your applause, by the European colonists in Palestine?

"Like a headless chicken," is what the German broadsheet Frankfurter Allgemeine called the reaction of Chancellor Olaf Scholz. The descriptions fits to (nearly) all European leader.

Today U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio will meet Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in Saudi Arabia. They will talk like grownups, EU be damned, and find ways to achieve peace in Ukraine and elsewhere.

The Europeans are aghast that they are not invited to take part in the talks.

But why would one invite parties to peace talks when they want nothing more than to sabotage those? The EU's foreign representative Kaja Kallas, a former mayor of Baltic villages, dreams of breaking up Russia into smaller states. How could Russia ever seriously negotiate with such people?

Today the Europeans will huddle in Paris to find some, any, way to get out of the mess. It won't work unless they acknowledge that the war in Ukraine has been lost.

The U.S. has recognized that there aren't enough troops, money or will to achieve a better negotiation position for what's left of Ukraine. The European 'elite' still fails to get that.

Any prolongation of the war will lead to more losses of land to Russia. Will it take the fall of Odessa for the Europeans to be finally ready for talks?

There are still dreams of 'security guarantees' which would be given to Ukraine after it files for peace or surrenders.

No such guarantees would make any sense. When peace is achieved there will be only one manner that can prevent a new outbreak of war: good behavior towards Russians and Russia by what will be left of Ukraine.

Failing that no European battalions strewn over Ukraine could prevent or even hinder another special military operation.

The U.S. negotiation team handed the Europeans a list of questions that will hopefully help them to come to grips with that:

The United States has sent European governments a set of questions about what they would need from the U.S. in order to provide Ukraine with security guarantees.

A U.S. State Department spokesperson said that Washington "has been clear that we expect European partners to take the lead in establishing a durable security framework and look forward to their proposals."

Here are the questions with answers by me in Italic:

1) What do you view as a Europe-backed security guarantee or assurance that would serve as a sufficient deterrent to Russia while also ensuring this conflict ends with an enduring peace settlement?

There is no Europe-backed guarantee possible that would be a 'sufficient deterrent'.

2) Which European and/or third countries do you believe could or would participate in such an arrangement?

Each could provide a few dozen soldiers (plus rotations). None has the size of forces and/or stamina to really commit to the mission.

Are there any countries you believe would be indispensable?

The U.S. – if it would give nuclear guarantees to prevent the eventual annihilation of any 'security guarantee' force.

Would your country be willing to deploy its troops to Ukraine as part of a peace settlement?

No!

3) If third country military forces were to be deployed to Ukraine as part of a peace arrangement, what would you consider to be the necessary size of such a European-led force?

500,000 men, i.e. about the same size as the Russian forces in that theater.

How and where would these forces be deployed and for how long?

No idea. Any stationary deployment would be open to a Russian surprise attack. A forever roving force is thinkable but not practicable.

4) What actions do U.S., allies and partners need to be prepared to take if Russia attacks these forces?

Nuke Russia and risk being nuked back.

5) What, if any, U.S. support requirements would your government consider necessary for its participation in these security arrangements?

Nukes and the will to use them. Plus satellite based intelligence to have at least some warning.

Specifically, which short-term and long-term resources do you think will be required from the U.S.?

See above.

6) What additional capabilities, equipment and maintenance sustainment options is your government prepared to provide to Ukraine to improve its negotiating hand and increase pressure on Russia?

Never ending bickering.

I am sure the questions above, as cited by Reuters, are not meant to really be answered.

They are supposed to induce some realist thinking.

Applying such one will come to the conclusion that nothing but a long term peace agreement, which does not necessitate 'guarantees', makes any sense.

Comments

*****Exile @ 59
“2.0 million Military Forces NATO ex-USA. (Active and Ready Reserves)
That’s seems plenty.”
*******
How many horses do they have?

Posted by: Jerr | Feb 17 2025 21:40 utc | 201

Just remember, according to the Oracle of vargas, Dima is always right!
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 17 2025 21:21 utc | 194
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Except when Dima reports bad news about 404. Then vargas disappears for a while.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 17 2025 21:47 utc | 202

malenkov@202……Dima, reporting bad news about 404….cheeky wee bastard….and the Ukies let him live.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 17 2025 21:58 utc | 203

Peace is just a side-effect, carving, who(of the biggies, US, Russia), owns what.

Posted by: PetrOldSack | Feb 17 2025 22:03 utc | 204

On the NC banning, I am surprised she has maintained credibility for as long as she has. The woman is a stereotype. She is that pushy Wall Street sales demographic that uses credentials instead of intelligence to claim respectability.
In fact, She respects only authority, brand names and power. That’s all. Her “insights” are invariably taken from “well respected” but compromised sources such as Havahd.
She can’t actually think about context at all. For instance she was railing about the insanity of Brexit for years. Planes would fall from the sky, Brit’s would have to go without medication and there would be 10 hour lines at the channel tunnel.
She was fully on board with the authoritarian masking and lockdown campaign.She is probably still bleating on about “long COVID” as if it’s a thing. She agreed with the authoritarian masking”vaccine”.
But she hides her lack of insight with personal aggression, appeals to authority and swift bans on any that dare to present data that points to an alternative conclusion. She also plays the shotgun trick. She peppers her posts with the odd item that disagrees with her. She points to these whenever she is called out for missing the obvious or when her bullying is challenged. Her biggest trick is to post huge volumes of irrelevant topics that prove her impressive breath of “knowledge”.
One amusing post of hers on the COVID saga was that a “friend” ended up with tertiary syphilis even though she had been fully treated for the disease years earlier. Obviously her “friend” is a hu-ah but nobody dared say that. Maybe she and her “friend” are having a blast wherever she’s living.

Posted by: VtObserver | Feb 17 2025 22:03 utc | 205

I have never encountered a worse example of losing or being a loser in public than Zelensky. It just seems to go forever with a new futile plan for victory every week – that triggers a ‘whatever, dude’ response. It’s like he was trying to be the greatest in human history at stringing along Western power structure amidst headline bullsh*t. Why can’t aliens abduct this clown and never bring him back?

Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 17 2025 22:05 utc | 206

HoW ArE THeY GOinG tO PaY fOr It ?
It will be the equivalent of the ECB pumping money into the Eurozone. The massive grift will continue.
Once the ECB has keystroked numbers into the Ukrainian reserve account held by Ukraine at the ECB. Making sure the serf nations within the EU are not paying for it.
European businesses starting supplying Ukraine with goods and services start taking that €300 billion per year that is being keystroked into the Ukrainian reserve account by the ECB for themselves.
It will be one gigantic grift. The Europeans are being cut out of the deal so this is a way to keep the grift going.
If the Ukrainians also start creating their own currency, the Hryvni, to buy European businesses goods and services.
If you are Europe do you want a strong Euro v’s the Hryvni or a weak one ?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You want a weak Euro. Your customer to have a strong Hryvni against your Euro. Your customer can buy more from you and you can keep the grift going.
The EU don’t give a shit about European household purchasing power. They never have. They preach from the alter of export led growth and their ancient texts worship at the feet of exporters.
They need to fund Ukraine to keep the grift going.
The smaller countries within the EU who rely on imports from around the globe who have nothing to export to Ukraine will suffer.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 17 2025 22:07 utc | 207

“even from scripture, pick one, usury is not forbidden”
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 17 2025 21:34 utc | 198
Deuteronomy 23:19-20: Prohibits charging interest to anyone
Psalms 15:5: Views violating the usury law as a great crime
Proverbs 28:8: Views violating the usury law as a great crime
Jeremiah 15:10: Views violating the usury law as a great crime.
Ayah al-Baqarah (The Cow) 2:275. Those who consume interest will stand ˹on Judgment Day˺ like those driven to madness by Satan’s touch. That is because they say, “Trade is no different than interest.” But Allah has permitted trading and forbidden interest
In many historical societies including ancient Christian, Jewish, and Islamic societies, usury meant the charging of interest of any kind, and was considered wrong, or was made illegal. During the Sutra period in India (7th to 2nd centuries BC) there were laws prohibiting the highest castes from practicing usury

Posted by: Mary | Feb 17 2025 22:10 utc | 208

Amusing the new posters thinking their TDS is going to be meekly accepted in MoA.
Dumbfucks: Trump is doing EXACTLY what he said he would do.
The US no longer has the luxury of supporting parasites whether European or otherwise.
Ray Dalio said here that the US needs to cuts it deficit from 7.5% to 3.5% in 3 years or the shit will hit the fan.
Agree or disagree, but those of us who live in reality understand just how dangerously distorted the US economy, US society, US priorities are RIGHT NOW.
Trump’s greatest problem (as viewed by PMCs and the Deep State) is also his greatest gift: he leaves no options off the table. If talking to Russia and China to defuse an arms race is what is needed to allow massive Defense spending cuts to go along with the rest of the US Federal government, so be it.
Dumbfuck Europeans think they can keep destroying their own economies and societies, while the US will keep supporting their security: no more. Adapt or die.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 17 2025 22:11 utc | 209

c1ue | Feb 17 2025 22:11 utc | 209–
There are times when only crude and extremely direct words work to crack open closed minds. Vance probably needed to say what you incite:
“Dumbfuck Europeans think they can keep destroying their own economies and societies, while the US will keep supporting their security: no more. Adapt or die.”

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 17 2025 22:16 utc | 210

@librul #97
NC has always been an obviously left leaning, PMC centric outfit – no surprise considering Yves Smith (or more properly Susan Webber).
What people should keep in mind is that NC is now a money making enterprise – a media property that provides the livelihood for the ex-management consultant Ms. Webber. Nothing wrong with that except NC pretends it is a public service.
And while the daily links there used to be good, and Conor Galagher’s analysis is generally good, overall the site has cleaved ever closer to its PMC sponsors: quadruple down on COVID, now bird flu. Climate change. Banksters uber alles. “Meritocracy”. etc etc.
For me personally – I am about 3 more visits where daily links yield 0 ones of interest, from dropping them entirely.
The signal to noise ratio has declined to the point of it being a waste of time.

Posted by: c1ue | Feb 17 2025 22:18 utc | 211

Ghost of Zanon@194…..I can’t speak for vargas, but for the average reader here, myself included Dima, within reason, is one of the better 404 bloggers, faults and all. Faults, we all have them, prejudices, normal human feelings, hopes and aspirations…..only God is perfect.
So I take what Dima reveals, (wonder if he burns the hair of Nobels to read the LOCC tea leaves) and watch what unfolds in theatre. And even he has tempered over the years one of his famous quotes, “let’s wait a few days and see what happens.”
On a personal note, every Dima blog drips with irony and his black humour is on par with some of the best…..”like those Ukies that don’t retreat, stay there forever”…..that translates out as “dead” how many ‘listeners’ even get it…..

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 17 2025 22:20 utc | 212

KEY European leaders turned up in Paris.
Where were the other European leaders ? Why did only KEY European leaders turn up ?
The biggest European exporters
Germany,
Netherlands,
Italy,
Belgium
France
Where they all there the KEY European leaders ?
Where were the Southern European leaders and the smaller EU countries ? Who don’t have that much to sell to Ukraine.
Those that can sell stuff are desperate to keep the grift going. Look who was sitting around the table.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 17 2025 22:25 utc | 213

Agree or disagree, but those of us who live in reality understand just how dangerously distorted the US economy, US society, US priorities are RIGHT NOW.
Posted by: c1ue | Feb 17 2025 22:11 utc | 209
Agree completely. But the fog of propaganda in Europe seems thicker than it is over here. Many Europeans I speak to only see well off Americans who work in protected industries. They think the average US citizen is still wealthy and while their wealth is just lower than it once was, they are still well off. They also think Europe is the center of the world and things won’t change. But they have changed.
Trump is about to abandon most of Continental Europe completely. The UK and Ireland will be “protected” – and by that I’m mean “kept in the fold” – but the rest will have to sink or swim.
He has already told us their geopolitical priorities. The Arctic and China. The Arctic will be dealt with first and that means abandoning Ukraine and allowing the reconstruction of NS1 and NS2 in exchange for Russian acquiescence on Greenland, Canada and potentially Norway’s Svalbard Island.
China is a longer term problem. Dealing with that is a multi decade problem.

Posted by: VtObserver | Feb 17 2025 22:26 utc | 214

Nice analysis, b!
Sikorski is already on the record that Poland won’t be sending any troops to Ukraine, or for any EU “European” force in Ukraine. Each European country is about protecting its own capitalists’ interests, not in some pan-European armed entity. The latter, if it did exist, would mainly be a tool of the richest nations, just as the Euro immiserated Europe’s southern tier.
By the way, the usage of “European” as a descriptor pointedly excludes Russia, which in the West constitutes a huge part of Europe!
“[Sikorski] reiterated that having Polish troops on the ground in Ukraine was ‘not a consideration, because Poland’s duty to NATO is to protect the eastern flank, i.e. its own territory”‘”
Link to Reuters article
Btw, Ukraine as “savior” of (white, Aryan) Europe, which is how the OUN-types describe Ukraine’s “mission,” goes back to Banderist ideology and their affection for German Nazism (though the love didn’t exactly flow easily in the other direction).

Posted by: Jeffrey Kaye | Feb 17 2025 22:30 utc | 215

How many job losses are there going to be If the grift stops?
How many jobs in the export industries depend on the grift continuing?

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 17 2025 22:34 utc | 216

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 17 2025 21:34 utc | 198
############
Riba (usury) is a major sin in Islam.
Humans are not meant to profit from our brothers’ and sisters’ misfortune or aspirations.
Doing so is decivilizing and predatory.
We see endless examples around us.
The wealth disparity isn’t by accident. It is predictable and by design.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 17 2025 22:35 utc | 217

Why did only KEY European leaders turn up ?
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 17 2025 22:25 utc | 213
They haven’t been invited; if you are interested in some more details (it’s in German):
https://www.german-foreign-policy.com/news/detail/9872
The most interesting part:

On the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference, Ivo Daalder, former US ambassador to NATO, stated that it would also have to be discussed in Paris whether the European states would be prepared to continue the war if Ukraine only received a bad peace treaty.

Posted by: Zet | Feb 17 2025 22:38 utc | 218

Argh: “They” should’ve been “The others”

Posted by: Zet | Feb 17 2025 22:39 utc | 219

@ c1ue | Feb 17 2025 22:11 utc | 209
i agree with you, even if it does offend europe… i hope the message offended canada too fwiw…

Posted by: james | Feb 17 2025 22:41 utc | 220

fuck the EU. never thought i agree with the person who said that. on that point at least.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Feb 17 2025 19:08 utc | 135
But her reasoning was not quite the same, she’s a war criminal, and if you ask me she should be addressed as such.

Posted by: joey_n | Feb 17 2025 22:43 utc | 221

librul | Feb 17 2025 19:51 utc | 148
I don’t share your optimism on this (2025, the second quarter). Since Feb 2022 I’ve hated seeing this guy on TV, and hoped he would soon be replaced. The one thing he knows how to do is to manipulate others to his advantage. Or maybe its just that I don’t like comedians?

Posted by: grunzt | Feb 17 2025 22:45 utc | 222

The idea that usury in the Christian tradition only means excessive interest is made up from whole cloth by jackals. Simony and usury have meant any charge of interest or similar self-dealing from the time of the Apostles.

Posted by: a stone | Feb 17 2025 22:45 utc | 223

In response to

The lender today has no risk, and the law is on their side. Will BRICS be any different?
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 17 2025 21:34 utc | 198

I see Mary | Feb 17 2025 22:10 utc | 208 has corrected your ignorance about usury not being forbidden. It was in the 1300’s that the Catholic church decided it needed more money for the Crusades and so changed its condemnation of usury.
As to BRICS+ being different or not….I think it will be because societies have evolved away from barbarism before and the example of barbarism being shown today should motivate our species to shun that behavior and build a form of social organization that will last humanity a few decades/centuries or so.
I want sovereign nations with good leadership to manage risk management of money instead of the God Of Mammon cult.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 17 2025 22:46 utc | 224

Marat Khairullin’s latest take on developments: https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/russia-and-america-can-reach-an-agreement

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 17 2025 22:48 utc | 225

a stone@223….. usury existed before Christians….
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 17 2025 22:50 utc | 226

@ Norwegian | Feb 17 2025 20:33 utc | 165
Danish speaker here. Could the saying be translated, “When the manger is empty, the horses bite”?
If the saying is as you translate who is biting the horses?
I always appreciate your commenta, usually on target with good documentation; we do disagree on climate change. Ce la vie.

Posted by: suzan | Feb 17 2025 22:53 utc | 227

C’est la vie.

Posted by: suzan | Feb 17 2025 22:55 utc | 228

British Musician Roger Waters’ Explosive Address at the UNSC Sends Shockwaves Across the West.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYKetrodpoY [12 mins
Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 17 2025 18:53 utc | 126

Shockwaves??? Hardly. It was a touchy feely appeal appeal to reason with the 10,000 ft. view of the conflict. Nothing new or enlightening. If the UNSC was his intended audience, I suggest he greatly misread the room.
The hard truth about Zelensky’s inflexible position is that he was bought by the US/UK (even before Boris J’s visit) and also extorted by Ukrainian ultra-nationalists. Dmitry Yarosh – “If Zelensky betrays Ukraine he will hang from a tree”. He can only try to buy time for himself. I am sure Putin knows Z’s real predicament and takes some small satisfaction from watching the weasel squirm a little longer.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Feb 17 2025 22:56 utc | 229

@Posted by: grunzt | Feb 17 2025 22:45 utc | 222
When CIA/MI6 stooges are no longer useful
they have one more service that they can perform.
…they can die in a false-flag
Call it a disguised coup.
[2nd quarter]

Posted by: librul | Feb 17 2025 22:59 utc | 230

Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 17 2025 22:05 utc | 206
Only necessary where he is coming from…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPfUgg21IwE

Posted by: Naive | Feb 17 2025 23:04 utc | 231

Meanwhile in the Baltics, FLEADOM from Russian energy leads to skyrocketing energy prices:
https://www.euronews.com/2025/02/12/electricity-prices-rise-in-estonia-after-cut-from-russian-power-grid
Couldn’t happen to nicer congenital Russophobic inbred dimwits. That’s just the start of what’s coming to them.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Feb 17 2025 23:08 utc | 232

Trump knows Europe hates the US. He just wants us to never never never Not be slaves.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 17 2025 23:13 utc | 233

Trump is not a deep thinker. This is indicated recently by his lack of knowledge about BRICS. he didn’t know that the C stands for China. In other words, he’s a moron.

Posted by: chakakhagan | Feb 17 2025 23:24 utc | 234

It’s mildly amusing that Russia and jewed-up AmeriKKKa are completely ignoring Zelenski and the Eurotrash. Don’t be surprised if the Eurotrash start pinching themselves tomorrow, to confirm that they’re not dreaming…

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 17 2025 23:24 utc | 235

@Posted by: librul | Feb 17 2025 22:59 utc | 230
gosh…this triggered something
Mossad/Israel hates having to bargain for hostages.
Daniel Pearl (remember him?)
He was MI6, some say Mossad double agent, working
undercover in Pakistan as a journalist.
He was a graduate of Oxford but had grown up in the US.
He was kidnapped and held by militants that wanted to trade
him for a militant held in prison.
But then “someone” (wink) leaked to the press that Daniel Pearl was
secretly an Israeli citizen.
That caused him to be executed – head chopped off.
[That was the lead, now for the point]
Was he outed to the press by Mossad as a form of Hannibal Doctrine?
Mossad may have been less interested in hostage trading
and more interested in silencing Pearl so he wouldn’t give
up information about the spy ring he belonged to.
Either way, Hannibal Doctrine.
=====
Did you know that RFK, Jr’s presidential campaign manager
and the person RFK, Jr had recently nominated for the role of Deputy Director of the CIA,
knew Daniel Pearl when they were both at Oxford? She called Pearl her
“writing mentor” at Oxford. After Oxford, she was CIA trained to recruit assets for the CIA.
She, like Pearl, became a journalist – a useful role for meeting important people.

Posted by: librul | Feb 17 2025 23:24 utc | 236

Mary@208…there were laws prohibiting the highest castes from practicing usury….what about the lower castes, or was that inter-caste usury? Being outlawed?
We do not live in a world from 2000 years ago, could you imagine the poverty if one and all had to barter or trade equal with equal to survive, please forgive my ignorance on scripture.
I have no issue with ambition, more could use some, and if a person, on the fruits of their labour is prepared to pay another a respectable (not onerous or excessive) return on investment who are you, or I, or psycohistorian for that matter, to wave scriptures in anyone’s face and say “no you can’t have the (in this case money, could be gold beads, could be empty coffee cans) because I can’t request a fair rate of return on my investment. That’s a bit nanny state. It’s the poor, little or lack of regulation at local levels at international levels that is the issue on lending.
We live in a money usury mammon, world, I hold no delusions that I can change that.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 17 2025 23:27 utc | 237

@ chakakhagan | Feb 17 2025 23:24 utc | 234
maybe he thought the c stood for coca cola?? who knows.. regardless the disruptive-ness in his short time in power 2025 is significant and commendable and has significant ramifications moving forward whether one wants to refer to him however they choose..

Posted by: james | Feb 17 2025 23:28 utc | 238

chakakhagan@232 Feb17
(Trump) is a “moron”. Not exactly. He’s a businessman born with a silver spoon up Spoon River Anthology. Back in my university daze, decades ago; the “B” school types were universally disdained by the intellectual and artistic types…While the “E” schoolers toting their heavy briefcases were assessed as overly practical minded, but generally quite bright in their culturally inert ways.
Trump likely is a deep-thinker…wilthin a narrow spectrum generally excluding geopolitical understandings.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 17 2025 23:30 utc | 239

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 17 2025 18:03 utc | 102
Playing devil’s advocate for NC’s comments about the slash and burn, it isn’t just USAID, an agency we all know is a regime-change soft power arm of the neoliberal imperial order. I posted last night in the O/T about the national parks and their employees. The ones on probation (this could be a person hired w/in the last year, or a person who accepted a promotion/change in the last 3 years) were fired “for cause.” That is needless vindictiveness or pure unadulterated mean spiritedness on display and I seriously doubt that Trump himself would have asked for, or maybe even approved of, it were he consulted immediately before or after. Maybe I’m giving him too much credit despite “TDS” (h/t c1ue) but that seems – like a lot of the other non-USAID (VA for example) – cuts just a cheap, dirty way of privatizing the workforce for infinitesimal (compared to the F-35 for ex.) budgetary gains. This transcends political ideology (or never even considers it short of Straussian fervor) and is a reflexive action taken by a man who, like his billionaire and VC cohorts, stands to gain the most from it financially and over the long term.
Back to USAID and the like, I shed no tears for its (temporary) shutdown. Its main ideological neoliberal capitalist interference functions will be re-instated under a new name or new Executive agency (State, for example) and in the mean time the people who were actually working on what was *alleged* to be its core humanitarian missions still lost their livelihoods and with enough similar cuts there will be shocks to local, regional and state economies (and people of course).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 17 2025 23:31 utc | 240

Usury could be forbidden in a sound money environment. This is because making or counterfeiting the sound money would be the worst return on investment of your resources. This naturally results in a deflationary environment under rising productivity. Accordingly, a sound currency unit in the future would be worth MORE than today. No usury necessary!

Posted by: HB Brian | Feb 17 2025 23:32 utc | 241

Amusing the new posters thinking their TDS is going to be meekly accepted in MoA.
Dumbfucks: Trump is doing EXACTLY what he said he would do.
The US no longer has the luxury of supporting parasites whether European or otherwise.
Posted by: c1ue | Feb 17 2025 22:11 utc | 209

Dude, give your head a shake. Speaking of parasites, the US has been exporting “promise to pay” Federal Reserve Notes for real goods for about 50 years. The cause of the US trade deficit is 100% due to a strong dollar. Foreign nations and corporations were willing to accept higher inflation and lower production/labor costs in order to obtain dollars. This exploitation is ending its natural life cycle and Trump is threatening tariffs/sanctions against anyone conspiring to dethrone King Dollar.
Except this strengthens the dollar and makes it more of a challenge for US domiciled corporations to return manufacturing to the USA, another Trump core promise. It also causes higher inflation. Surely the brain trust close to the White House sees the contradiction inherent in the stated policies.
As for “doing EXACTLY what he said he would do.”, as a Canadian, I followed the campaign, fully expecting Trump to win. I do not recall Trump saying once that he would annex Canada, Greenland, or turn Gaza into a luxury resort. While these may ultimately turn out to be another psyop against national leaders who openly opposed him, it has needlessly made a lot of enemies.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Feb 17 2025 23:34 utc | 242

malenkov@202……Dima, reporting bad news about 404….cheeky wee bastard….and the Ukies let him live.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 17 2025 21:58 utc | 203
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It helps that he’s not in 404 to begin with. Reportedly he’s in and from Belarus.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 17 2025 23:35 utc | 243

[2nd quarter]
Posted by: librul | Feb 17 2025 22:59 utc | 230
Since the USG operates on a staggered FQ cycle compared to the business community at large, I predict that the black swan or false flag happens in GFQ 4 or 1 (September or October). Watch the stock market and other economic indicators or establishment opinion polls closely starting this summer. I predict a “new 9/11” or “2nd Gulf of Tonkin” around the time we begin to be told in certain corners that the signs are “flashing RED.”

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 17 2025 23:36 utc | 244

@Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 17 2025 18:22 utc | 114
Exactly, the wood (the political economic system) is much more important than the trees (the individual actors). The most basic message of Marxism.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 17 2025 19:06 utc | 133
And it cannot be repeated enough! One problem imo with many who understand Marx is that there is a sort of intellectual elitism that leads them to dismiss or turn off honest young workers who want to understand the perspective. No accusation to you Roger. I find you to be the opposite of that. Nonetheless, it is a needless obstacle to learning in my experience.
To merely repeat the basic points of Socialism Utopian and Scientific with some patience and love for your worker students is a revolutionary act.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Feb 17 2025 23:39 utc | 245

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Feb 17 2025 23:34 utc | 242
Additionally, not even Project 2025, which Trump at first denied having any knowledge of, didn’t advocate slashing, at random, scores of low-level ideologically inert government positions in far flung areas or with agencies representing cohorts of likely Trump voters like the VA and their families.
What did Trump “say he’d do” in terms of red meat for his voters? How about mass deportations immediately for an example. Has that happened yet? LOL, f*ck no, it hasn’t.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 17 2025 23:40 utc | 246

“In other words, he’s a moron.”
Lets not put down morons by comparing them to Trump.

Posted by: hightrekker | Feb 17 2025 23:42 utc | 247

When’s Trump going to blame the anti-genocde protesters for causing the genocide? What an old woman he is , or was last time round. Now he’s got Nut in tow they’re more like a coven of witches.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 17 2025 23:47 utc | 248

@Posted by: librul | Feb 17 2025 23:24 utc | 236
correction?
While it is correct that she describes in her book and articles
that Daniel Pearl was her “writing mentor”
I am trying to clear up an ambiguity
as to whether or not they had met at Oxford.

Posted by: librul | Feb 17 2025 23:58 utc | 249

@Posted by: librul | Feb 17 2025 23:58 utc | 249
…also, Daniel Pearl does not appear to have attended Oxford.

Posted by: librul | Feb 18 2025 0:01 utc | 250

From what I’ve read in various places, from the Russian perspective the meeting with the the US is not primarily about Ukraine. It is more about actually trying to rebuild, reopen and re-establish the diplomatic channels and protocols for dialogue that previously existed, before their neglect and demolition under the Biden administration; some may be able to trace the roots of this back to the Obama years.
The EU and Zelensky seem to be panicked by this prospect, which in turn seems to be an over-reaction.
Without the diplomatic channels for dialogue there can’t be any meaningful talks regarding Ukraine, or indeed an overall European security architecture. So, we have a start, that is all this is.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 17 2025 20:18 utc | 157
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I agree and that is what both sides nearly say exactly. It is a necessary precondition as an infrastructure for things to follow, Ukraine, resuming more normal business relations, etc.
Trump has to worry about his Congress critters many of whom are pro-Ukraine. Putin gets to conduct his SMO as he wants. All of this will take time, ‘while Kiev burns’ so to speak. After that is judged to be functioning to everyone’s liking it will be time to address this topic, so well raised:
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For a peace plan to be credible, both US and EU should:
1) Recognise they treated Russia like shit since 1990;
2) Recognise the expansion of NATO after 1989 was a fundamental error;
3) Recognise Ukraine crisis was a direct consequence of former points;
4) Recognise this crisis is 90% their responsibility;
5) Agree to put everything back on table to find a new security framework and draft a roadmap with clear phases to solve the above points
6) And as a proof of good faith, lift all sanctions and free the 300 billions assets.
Posted by: scc | Feb 17 2025 18:30 utc | 119
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Also, after they have figured out how to work with each other, Russia and Trump can afford to adopt the Victoria Nuland doctrine ‘F the EU!
There is no entity in Ukraine to represent a surrender. I might develop as things move on. When and if so, we can return to previous discussions, rump state or not, division of leftovers, etc.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Feb 18 2025 0:04 utc | 251

Usury could be forbidden in a sound money environment.
Posted by: HB Brian | Feb 17 2025 23:32 utc | 241
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It’s a moral issue, one of self-control and a society that discourages antisocial behavior like usury.
Just like people know not to have intimate relationships with their blood relatives, people should have a natural aversion to debt and agree to charge/pay interest.
But we’re so far in the West from having moral communities. People can barely agree that lying is wrong let alone that people should only pursue wealth by ethical means.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 18 2025 0:06 utc | 252

from George Washington’s Farewell Address (1796)
The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 18 2025 0:06 utc | 253

An amazing week in which decades happened.
From the unfolding developments some forward predictions can already be made.
1. The US is seeking full normalisation of relations with Russia. All the Russiagate-Russophobia in the U.S. reeks of Clinton-Obama-Biden Democrat as far as Trump is concerned. Old farts like Graham, pug McConnell, McCain and the Mormon Guy notwithstanding. So Trump is turning away from all that.
2. This will change the landscape so profoundly that the things that Trump’s office wish to achieve will happen by themselves without specific additional actions to effect them.
For instance Europe’s “old whores” as Emil Cosman calls them will try to keep fighting the good fight against Russia. Except when they notice that Russia is an ally of the U.S. the penny will drop that they are cruising for a bruising from the U.S. themselves. So they’ll be forced to slink off with tails between legs without any effort or negotiation or cost. Just to rue the gigantic and unrecoverable cost to themselves of their pointless Russophobic jihad.
3. Russia is booming economically – hard to hear for some but the stark economic fact, back to back years of 4.1 % growth 24-24. 2025 will be higher. The U.S. will hoover this up for themselves. Europe will be alternately attracted to and repelled from Russia until they are circling their cage like a demented zoo animal. They will get nothing as they sink into poverty. Back in the day Nazi Germany erred by taking on two superpowers. Retronazi Europe now have gone one better – declaring war Don Quixote-like on all 3 superpowers the US, Russia and China. Perhaps one day Zelensky, Scholz, Macron, Baerbock, Starmer and Rutte will sit around a dank table in a pub in Camden Town, London, wondering what happened and what might have been.
4. Russia’s war honed and powerfully growing industrial production capacity will prove an attractive investment target for the U.S. making up for the lack of the same at home and giving an alternative to China. Even military technology will be an area for Russia-US cooperation. The world-beating Sukhoi 57 and Mig 31 will take the place of the wretched F35 and these Russian fighters will soar over American skies. Meanwhile Europe will settle for the old Eurofighter, Saab Viggen and Rafale.
5. Trump’s (Musk’s?) recognition of the pointlessness of the RAND corporation assisted US state Russophia all the way back to 1945, and normalisation with Russia, will expose likewise the vacuous futility of the obsessive hatred of communism. And with it the futility of the destructive wars in Korea and Vietnam. This will pave the way for accelerated economic cooperation with Asia including with former pariahs like North Korea and Myanmar / Burma. And of course, China, quietly reunited with Taiwan.
6. The Trump-US approach in the mid east – west Asia will mirror that in Eurasia. Peace and alliance with Iran will prove just as disruptive to a toxic status quo in the ME and Levant as collaboration with Russia is of Europe’s ancient Russophobic quagmire. Once again, by ignoring everything else and going straight for peace with Iran, all other objectives will happen by themselves without effort. Israel will have no reason to attack an Iran full of Americans just as old whore Europeans vis a vis Russia. Other conflicts involving Turkey, Syria, Libya and others will likewise be deprived of the fuel that has driven them. Finally, even Israel itself, the old aircraft carrier of western hegemony in Arabia, will find itself bereft of purpose in a region where China style cooperation, investment and deal making prove more profitable than racist imperialistic hegemony. They themselves might eventually be attracted by the prospect of economic reward by becoming a religiously and ethnically inclusive Abrahamic Republic and the old nightmare of Zion be allowed to quietly fade away.
7. More widely, the absence of Cold War between superpowers will dissipate the Cold War resonances that have entrained other conflicts. Perhaps even Pakistan and India might find incentive to more on from Britain’s toxic colonial legacy and reconcile. Releasing thousands of soldiers from icy Himalayan mountainsides to more profitable activities.
Or not. Time will tell.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Feb 18 2025 0:08 utc | 254

The European puppets have behaved masterfully, but now as has happened many times before for US allies, they have had their strings cut loose and the puppet master is blaming them for writing the scripted play (not that they deserve anything better).
How many times has this happened before, where an American administration sets up the entire process for another war or manipulation of a state and then when things get messy and the trumpet of failure resounds, it pulls out leaving the mess for everyone else to clean up, while casting the blame on the same loyal puppets that complied fully with the US dictate.
And in this case suddenly it is announced in an extraordinarily timely way that the poor US taxpayer has footed the bill for the US weapons sent to Ukraine (that pumped cash in to the pockets of the US military-industrial complex magnates) and so the country has to give up its precious metals and rare earths as recompense.
Ironically this just so happens as China stops flow of certain metals and rare earths to the US (due to US sanctions and tariffs) and becomes the next likely target of the newest US led war. A brand new day is announced in the kingdom, and sheep change from bleating “four legs good, two legs bad” to “two legs good, four legs bad” and all is good again at Animal Farm.

Posted by: George | Feb 18 2025 0:12 utc | 255

There is also a base community here, who many times greatly disagree with each other but share a need to protect this site from the trolls etc.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 17 2025 19:58 utc | 151
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Veru true and worth keeping it functioning that way. Thanks, Roger!

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Feb 18 2025 0:19 utc | 256

DS daily update:
https://deepstatemap.live/en#6/49.4383200/32.0526800
Very slow day for the RFA, taking only 4.3 kmsq. That is less than half the JAN pace and is less than 20% of the (recent record) NOV pace, which itself was nothing great, when considering what is needed to get even just the Russian claimed oblasts.
Odessa dreamers (including the host) take note. There’s some cognitive dissonance if you think RFA is threatening Odessa and then excuse them taking 6+ months for minor cities like Toretsk, Chasiv Yar, and Pokrovsk. Let alone spending 2 years (!) sitting on the E bank of the Dnipro, which is very wide when it enters the Black Sea, and not making a single inch of headway towards Odessa.
Specific gains S to N:
1. Far NW fields from Velyka Novasilka. This has been several days in a row now. Seems similar to the post Vuhledar exploitation of taking that “corner”.
2. Ulakly: SW of, just field, pocket filling…but does make that salient safer for the RFA.
3. Andriivka: To the N of the town, not down into the pocket. RFA is clearing the trenches/heights that UFA still holds, which prevent taking the entire town. Made some progress today.

Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 18 2025 0:30 utc | 257

The negotiating team sent from Washington might be in for an eye opening learning experience.
Posted by: Exile | Feb 17 2025 21:39 utc | 200
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https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/FMfcgzQZTMLptRsFlFZQVwcMmfgTSgzl
Thanks to be given to karlof1 for Lavrov’s press conference and his comments about ‘peace treaties.’
Let us not get too excited, here.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Feb 18 2025 0:34 utc | 258

@ Acco Hengst | Feb 18 2025 0:34 utc | 258
ditto and exactly as your last line says! cheers james

Posted by: james | Feb 18 2025 0:48 utc | 259

The last time Britain and France deployed a “peace-keeping” force was to Suez in 1956, it ended in ignominy.
History rhymes.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Feb 18 2025 0:52 utc | 260

LoveDonbass@217…..sin? Say who? Let God sort it out. So Riba in Islam is big talk little words, usury also within the Christian tradition is big on little words…..the implication across all religions is that it’s only Usury when considered excessive interest, or like an interest rate tripling every year, pure greed, there is room within most religions, maybe not the scripture fanatical, but amongst normal people to expect a return, agreed on between parties, on investment, Islam provides such, taking profit from future sales, and taking on part of the risk, that’s the due diligence part, not wanting to loose on a bad investment and then go bank-rupt.
Cheers M
Be easy to fix by taxing at a fair and reasonable rate, the more you make, using the Labour of others the more you pay, easy to pay less taxes, just share the profits with those providing the labour.
Fair and equitable interest, earned on money loaned, between agreeing parties, regardless of religious bent, is not usury.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 18 2025 1:04 utc | 261

malenkov@243….Musk is not in 404 and he made the list for a while, you just have to be someone, especially public figures, who like Russia more than the Ukraine, like Ukie negotiator who the Ukies didn’t like and shot. And he was one of theirs…..that’s why no Ukies are invited….. everybody gets to live that day.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 18 2025 1:13 utc | 262

malenkov@243….Musk is not in 404 and he made the list for a while, you just have to be someone, especially public figures, who like Russia more than the Ukraine, like Ukie negotiator who the Ukies didn’t like and shot. And he was one of theirs…..that’s why no Ukies are invited….. everybody gets to live that day.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 18 2025 1:13 utc | 262
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False Equivalence 101.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 18 2025 1:21 utc | 263

By the way, Kellogg is now talking about peace in 180 days. Remember that initially he was talking about 3 weeks, or 3 months, or something like that.
So seems part of the deal is Russia will do what it’s gotta do, especially with the euronazis willingly continuing war.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 18 2025 1:32 utc | 264

psycohistorian@224…..again you equate usury, with fair and equitable rate of return on investment….agree to disagree on what usury is as practiced by the predatory money lenders leading the Cult of Mammon from The City of London.
As for the Catholic Church waiting 1300 years before they figured out they were missing out on the funny money others flouted. I know the Vatican has a bank, but I was not aware I as a Catholic could search out my local branch and borrow money, it’s usually the other way around, can’t have spare change clanging around in the collection bowl.
Pennies for prayers was a major source of overt income for the church. Not sure who they fleeced with interest to fund the Crusades. Sounds more like those other fellas, nudge nudge, had infiltrated the Church and just couldn’t pass up a new stream of income. But they were not lending money to peasants.
Cheers M
…..as I mentioned before, in the hood were I’m from, the money lender was the only person that carried a gun beside his ledger, oft times his kippa would dislodged in the breeze, but none of the Catholics living there borrowed money from any ‘church’.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 18 2025 1:34 utc | 265

During the Sutra period in India (7th to 2nd centuries BC) there were laws prohibiting the highest castes from practicing usury
Posted by: Mary | Feb 17 2025 22:10 utc | 208
A curious exception was the Buddhist relic stupa. Relic stupas were considered to be imbued with the life of the Tathagata so they were not subject to the rules against lending money in the Vinayas, which applied to the Monastery or Temple responsible for them. A relic stupa was capable of legal possession of objects, including a robe blown on them by the wind. And they were also capable of holding and lending money if it could be deemed in the interest of propagating the dharma. This had a significant effect on Indian commerce.
I’m sure this is relevant to Ukraine but leave the connection to someone else.

Posted by: Jorge | Feb 18 2025 1:50 utc | 266

No, the US is not a member of a worthless bloc, with Ursula running about, whereas the US is a sovereign nation, like some European countries used to be.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 17 2025 15:21 utc | 3

That ‘sovereignty’ in which you have such apparent faith belongs to the oligarchy that owns and runs the place. It’s not worth a thin dime to ordinary morons suckers like you.
Oh, maybe, the oligarchy will exercise its sovereignty to squeeze you suckers to pay the bond holders some of the $36 trillion that they squandered in wars and in tax cuts for themselves.

Posted by: Lengai | Feb 18 2025 1:51 utc | 267

Lambert and Yves are both system pigs, and genuine enemies of the American people. I too visited NC daily for many years until my eyes were opened to the fact that the site is a limited hangout and a rubber room for well-meaning people to vent until their energies are dissipated, rendering them no threat to the system.
Back on topic: the Ukrainian Nazis and the heavily Judaic money-changing cabal sponsoring them are soon to reach their endpoint in Eastern European history. Kallas the Magnificent, as I’m sure she terms herself when she wakes in the morning and gazes into the mirror, will have a conniption fit when her ideological and spiritual investment in Nazism is suddenly marked to zero.

Posted by: Matthew | Feb 18 2025 2:10 utc | 268

@268 Matthew
Maybe Naked Capitalism is losing it’s USAID funding?

Posted by: Thurl | Feb 18 2025 2:20 utc | 269

Lengai@267….so? You? Sucker or Oligarch?
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 18 2025 2:22 utc | 270

By the way, Kellogg is now talking about peace in 180 days. Remember that initially he was talking about 3 weeks, or 3 months, or something like that.
So seems part of the deal is Russia will do what it’s gotta do, especially with the euronazis willingly continuing war.
Posted by: unimperator | Feb 18 2025 1:32 utc | 264
Yes. It seems to be going Syria way. May be they had a deal Syria for Ukraine. After Z turns down the US Russia peace deal,US has an alibi for canceling all help including star link which will accelerate the Ukrainian capitulation
It can only stop with Odessa in the bag. May b can start a seperate discussion on that. The capabilities of partisans,their numbers,arms,imbedded Russian special forces,any wagner type waiting in Transnistria to link up once the action starts etc is unknown. One thing for sure taking Odessa will not be like anything we have seen so far. Lot of surprises going to be there.

Posted by: Michael J | Feb 18 2025 2:37 utc | 271

US priority is to bring war to China. Wasting time in Ukraine is weakening the West in that coming war. China has been cool and calm the last 3 years with respect to Ukraine. And it has learned. Taiwan is a small place in which to kill a lot of people. And the US will be directly bringing arms to Taiwan. It would be inevitable that China shoots down US planes and sinks US ships.
What is to come in the next few years in Asia will be more terrible than anything we’ve seen in a long time. The Taiwanese are just as deluded as the Ukrainians. And they will pay a bigger price. It will be all or nothing to Asia, unlike in Europe.

Posted by: Bob | Feb 18 2025 2:42 utc | 272

Lengai@267….so? You? Sucker or Oligarch?
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 18 2025 2:22 utc | 270

Have I ever spoken or written here in favour of the oligarchy, or any of its factions or ideologies, whether liberal or reactionary?
Since I am not a member of the oligarchy, and have always opposed oligarchic rule in all its forms, I think you have your answer, which is neither.

Posted by: Lengai | Feb 18 2025 2:58 utc | 273

“The Fate of Europe is Doomed”
Feb 17, 2025
By Martin Armstrong
Martin Armstrong:

…I have warned that our computer has projected that Ukraine will no longer exist. I have never seen our computer go flat-line in a country as it has in Ukraine. Zelensky is scheming to expand the war. He is a NeoNazi and hid his Jewish background until AFTER he became president.
Because of the seriousness of Europe turning its back on the USA at the instigation of the Neocons and NATO, I will do a special report on this break of the alliance between the USA and Europe that the Neocons and NATO are festering. All I can say is I pray that Trump keeps our troops the hell out of Europe and lets them fend for themselves since they do not want peace. EXIT NATO now and stop ALL funding of Ukraine NOW! Zelensky is destroying not just Ukraine but is pushing Europe into self-destruction.
The EU is making its decision right now, which looks terrible. The European Union is collapsing, and to deflect the fiscal mismanagement and coming Sovereign Debt Crisis, it needs World War III. The EU is already scheming to start a war with Russia and reject any peace deal Trump strikes. Zelensky is telling Europe to F the USA, and Trump has no business interfering in Europe or Ukraine. I previously warned Zelensky is the equivalent of the anti-Christ here to destroy all of Europe and start World War III.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/the-fate-of-europe-is-doomed/

Posted by: suzan | Feb 18 2025 3:14 utc | 274

Three people detained in Belarus were released today. One was a U$ citizen.
The interview on CNN yt had 3 U$ ambassadors singing Trump’s praises.
The harpie host tried to cut them off. In one last attempt to discredit what had happened she said hmmmp! Lukashenko doesn’t do anything from the goodness of his heart, what concessions were made to get the (I think she called the detainees “hostages”) returned ?
The ambassadors all insisted it was unilateral. Then CNN cut the interview.
Nothing traded? I’m not so sure.
I saw previously Trump had announced sanctions on Belarusian potash were to be dropped.
I thought.. of course… potash sanctions hurt the U$ (and EU).
Just like the U$ strong armed Australia to cut beef and wine sales to China… and then jumped in to increase its export of beef and wine to China.
The U$ sanctioned Belarusian potash, and insisted EU and others do the same. Now the U$ wants potash… so the sanctions magically disappear.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 18 2025 3:25 utc | 275

Ukrainian xwitter reporting a Russian oil tanker damaged at an Italian port.
https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1891614410990551258

Special Kherson Cat
Two explosions presumably occurred on board of a tanker “Seajewel” which was transporting oil from Russia to Europe despite sanctions.
The cause of the explosion is unknown. However, the vessel’s crew states that they heard two loud bangs and the damaged hull shows concave deformation, indicating the likely use of explosive devices.
The damage being below the waterline and the fish kill nearby further support the theory that explosive devices have been used.
The Savona Coast Guard is conducting an on-site investigation with divers. Investigators have not released any further information so far.
https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/02/17/7498825/index.amp

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 18 2025 3:31 utc | 276

After Z and EU reject US peace deal the nature of the conflict will change dramatically. Witn no article 5 intervention from US, Russia could go all out. The intelligence America share with Russia will be very strategic. Plus sanctions relief. With US out of the way Russian allies also will be all in. Feel this is the biggest strategic event after the fall of Berlin wall. We could be shocked by the level of US Russia cooperation

Posted by: Michael J | Feb 18 2025 4:02 utc | 277

Some of the “takes” coming out of all this are funny John Helmer & that old KKK crank PCR.
Are tying themselves in mental knots trying to the square the notion of Trump doing the classic US proxy dump. An obvious sign of losing.
Into a sign of humiliated Russia crawling to the peace table. Of course if Ukraine was *winning* there’d naturally be no such talks.
OTOH the flatulence coming out of Eurocuck face-holes in Paris. Amounts to nothing.
If they wanted to deploy jack-shit to Ukraine. They needed to start a military build up etc, circa 2015.
Also there’s no keystroke, or other financial f*ckery that’s going to make the EU economy somehow revive itself for war-fighting.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Feb 18 2025 4:27 utc | 278

Posted by: suzan | Feb 18 2025 3:14 utc | 274
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Oh FFS, a known scammer and his magical & invisible “supercomputer”. Isn’t a good source of information.
The Eurocucks don’t have the armies or MIC to start WW3! Wars are fought with troops & armaments.
Not bullshit & press conferences.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Feb 18 2025 4:33 utc | 279

Sleep eludes middle of the night! Must be some disturbance in the ethers…
Ah well, let’s start with the zionasty Great Knight Dope – the poopy Flop.
Told you he’d be in uniform… it’s why he was installed.
To be the NewWarmongerBlair.
Gj-uTM7X0AAV62T
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gj-uTM7X0AAV62T.jpg?name=orig
🤡🤡🤡the loser wanker.
Ready to send British kids officially to be minced meat in boots to feed the Ukranian rare earth a bit more. As are the other natzos.
They were desperate to get these already minced or wounded fficial recognition – medals, pensions, hero worship, monuments!
If they can’t- it will piss off these sent as proxy mercs!
Ouch.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 18 2025 5:02 utc | 280

You found out the hard way that BoJo was a nothing Burger pretending that he represented the US. When you find out the same way that Trump is a nothing Burger that is commissioned by Israel to irritate Putin, you will realise that Trump was a total arsehole.
Trump is never going to give Putin the security guarantees for which he started the SMO . He therefore by definition cannot end this conflict. Nice try, trying to get Europe to take over Biden’s project to destroy Russia.
If Starmer wants Lithium , Rule no 1 , Don’t do deals with Khazar , Used Car salesmen. Do what the Democrats did about the US genocide in Palestine,
Lalalala Lalalalala. Trump is a one bar town and the bar is Israel. He shouldn’t be forced to exercise his non-existent comprehension of Justice and Law.
It’s cruelty to pensioners. Like the Cheshire Cat, ignore him.

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 18 2025 5:04 utc | 281

Posted by: Giyane | Feb 17 2025 20:42 utc | 174
>>>>
One of the best ‘if not the best’ characterizations of where the root cause of all lies.
Poland however is where Nazism resides today.

Posted by: pepe | Feb 18 2025 5:04 utc | 282

Posted by: Grieved | Feb 17 2025 16:22 utc | 39
I come here late for catchup — and greetings to you, Grieved, though you have no doubt travelled on. Safe journeys! And to psychohistorian, remarkable events are happening, so much to absorb. Let’s wait, and see.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 18 2025 5:08 utc | 283

@261 sean
“Let God sort it out”
…and if you were asking for more attention than was due ?

Posted by: Ornot | Feb 18 2025 5:20 utc | 284

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 17 2025 16:34 utc | 44
Wow I didn’t realize that there were fifth graders in the bar.
No one came here to listen to your crying. Perhaps you should stop posting over there until after your testicles descend.

Posted by: Screwdriver | Feb 18 2025 5:22 utc | 285

Generally peacekeepers have to have a mix of stationary protective forces and rapid reaction forces. Anglocentric forces often refuse to do this, being power projectors they haven’t had to doggedly defend a position for a very long time and willingly give up other people’s real estate even if these are vital military, economic, social and/or political positions.

Posted by: James L. | Feb 18 2025 5:33 utc | 286

@ Grieved | Feb 17 2025 16:22 utc | 39
thanks for the first link in your post grieved.. we all miss you here at moa..

Posted by: james | Feb 18 2025 5:40 utc | 287

@ Roger Boyd #44. It occurs to me that Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism is not a woman but rather a man. Yves in French is a man’s name, as in Yves Montand . . . though it is pronounced the same as Eve.

Posted by: Raoulvert | Feb 18 2025 5:43 utc | 288

Kirill Dmitriev, who arrived with Yuri Ushakov and Sergey Lavrov in Saudi Arabia for negotiations, was caught by CNN reporter at the hotel entrance. Type, he says, is your goal to cancel sanctions?
No, Dmitriev said, you are mistaken. Our goal is not to cancel sanctions, but to build bridges.
Our goal is to find out the opinion about the situation of American business, which lost $300 billion from the termination of affairs in Russia.
He called an interesting amount. Europe froze so much money from Russia. Here is what connects us: the same losses.
Then Dmitriev went to the hotel to sleep.
By the way, negotiations have already begun, just now.
machine translated
https://t.me/s/victorstepanych/2291

Posted by: too scents | Feb 18 2025 6:04 utc | 289

@Posted by: Raoulvert | Feb 18 2025 5:43 utc | 291
She is a woman, the Yves name is just a pen name. Her name is Susan Webber.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 18 2025 6:13 utc | 290

Her name is Susan Webber.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 18 2025 6:13 utc | 293

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/09/business/paine-webber-sues-merrill.html

Posted by: too scents | Feb 18 2025 6:22 utc | 291

The Russians advised CNN USA business lost $300bn plus the aid to the Zelensky of $300Bn making $600bn
https://britonnewsnetwork.com/index.php/2025/02/18/zionist-bandera-dirty-eu-bummer-piss-cost-usa-600bn/

Posted by: Silverdale | Feb 18 2025 6:39 utc | 292

Posted by: George | Feb 18 2025 0:12 utc | 255
where an American administration sets up the entire process for another war or manipulation of a state and then when things get messy and the trumpet of failure resounds, it pulls out leaving the mess for everyone else to clean up, while casting the blame on the same loyal puppets that complied fully with the US dictate.
<=The instigator for this war was The British; this is just one of their many British attempts to colonize Russia. Its beginnings trace to Rothschild banking syndicate, Lenin, the Bolshevik revolution, Stalin, the rise of Hitler, the herding of the Jews to Israel from Hungary-Poland Austria-Hungary. IMO, it was the British who, until Trump interceded, dictated to the USDoS. IMO, the British and their Oligarch controlled creation in the middle east "Israel" are to blame for initiating this war. Remember most of the Russian war against Japan in 1905 was financed from NY by wealthy Schiff and that most of the high level Bolshevik revolutionists traveled from NY to Russia to take their positions in the Bolshevik government. The war in Ukraine is about change ownership of Russian everything or alternatively blocking Russian oil, gas and natural resources from all markets worldwide. Russia as a supplier of gas and oil to Europe was to be replaced by western interests. Europeans could not buy or use Russian oil and gas, as long as its owner is Russian? If the same Russian oil and gas is owned by a western interest then it is ok for Europeans to buy it and use it? LeVantine Reserve oil and gas refined in Haffia, Israel. Since discovery(about 2014) of the size and volume of oil and gas in the Levante reserve a pipeline to deliver that oil thru Cyprus, Turkey and points North into Europe has been built, and the state of Syria, who refused to allow that pipeline has been destroyed. I have commented to this site several times links to maps showing that distribution system. The war in Ukraine was also about creating a European market from Western produced LNG; hence the support of the White house. Basically the war was initiated to accomplish the same thing WWI and WWII were fought to do. Like those two wars, the British maneuvered the USA leadership into taxing its citizens and to use that tax money to fund and to prosecute the financial needs of the wars. The sixteenth amendment to the US constitution was a result of that British effort. It allowed the incomes of Americans to be taxed and the Federal Reserve Act to be passed. The Federal Reserve Act transferred the monopoly on banking and money from the US government to a system of privately owned banks. These acts and amendments occurred in 1913. Now that Financing for the war in Europe(WWI) had been arranged; the war designed to take the oil and gas that lay beneath the Ottoman empire from the Ottomans could proceed. If the British or the Israelis venture into Ukraine I suspect Russia will send them home in a casket. When Americans discovered how much the British controlled USA DOS was spending to support the British war being conducted in Ukraine, they woke up (Trump got reelected as a signal that the taxpayers were dissatisfied). The UK Oligarchs continue to use the British government to prosecute the current war in Ukraine against Russia, this, even though the cost of the war threatens the survival of the UK. The deep state Oligarchs in charge at the UK or better the city of London will continue their efforts to destroy Russia to the last British pound? But Why? The answer lie in "top of the mountain " ideology, an ideology that appeals to the greedy. The driving force for most international aggression since the creation of the nation state system has been the British. First it was trade in Eastern world spices and slaves, then it was India and the Levant, and then African slaves used to produce goods and services that could make the colonies productive and profitable. As these different stages of organized greed played out (about the time Lincoln was shot by the British) an ideology was introduced and used to get control over the important natural resources in the world. As the various European colonies freed themselves from colonial bondage, the European Trojans and brain washed ex-colonial locals adopted into their foreign polices what the British had taught them while the European still had control of their now independent colonies. So, IMO, Britain appealed to and schooled the greedy people of the world. It showed them the Mafia like benefits that could be had from slavery, monopoly power, military and naval power, regime change, blockades (now called sanctions), chaos and war. The British then distributed an ideology that has come to be known as Zionism in order to build a globally distributed, fully networked army of greedy persons seeking king of the mountain status and they used that army to colonize and exploit the humanity captured and imprisoned throughout the entire world in the nation state system. The capture device was and is the nation state system. The manipulation tool was the political systems used to differentiate the people in each nation from the people in every other nation. An ideology hell bent on exploiting the masses for the benefits of the greedy few attracted an army of like thinking greedy soldiers. Internally, the greedy have been fighting among themselves for king of the mountain status. I think Russia's Putin is asking the world to recognize the damage done by this British originated ideology and to treat the ideology as not only a threat to the Russian people but also as a threat to the people in the RoW. I think Putin wants the world to organize itself in ways that deny this king of the mountain ideology from ever again becoming a problem. I don't think Trump has yet figured that out but what Trump wants accommodates the Russia desire? I think this is what Putin has in mind when he says he wants security guarantees and I think this is one reason the UK is so strongly opposed to a peaceful settlement with Russia.

Posted by: snake | Feb 18 2025 6:43 utc | 293

A question for those of you who debate usury in past times
-How was inflation debated in that context?

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 18 2025 6:57 utc | 294

@snake | Feb 18 2025 6:43 utc | 296
Some truth in what you say.
However eventually the British couldnt compete so they threatened the financiers so they didnt dare joining any win-win scheme with Britains rivals.
Like the last few decades the empire was willing to take temporary losses for the longterm good of the oligarchy
This happened around the turn of the century 1900 +/-some years. This is always omitted from the debate but matters very much.
If Britain hadnt been hellbent to accomplish an angloamerican dominance several countries would have developed partly in the manner contemplated by the early US before the British managed to take over there using Andrew Jackson and the other slaveowners

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 18 2025 7:09 utc | 295

It strikes me that Putin’s strategy is to FIRST get Trump sorted and in his box re Ukraine and no-NATO. And then, when the EU as a group is suitably emasculated from Big Brother, then to re-establish mutual trade-deals with suitable individual EU leaders. I predict RF and Germany will repair NS. And lastly, Putin might get NATO to disband *without* US participation … which Trump will love, once convinced RF is no longer invasive. It’s 100% Europe’s cold war paranoia which keeps NATO alive — and of course the US MIC’s $$$.
It’s becoming evident that Trump is not Russophobic, which bodes well for Russia’s future. If the US does in fact “pivot against China”, Trump will find he has a very large bloc against him. So he’s actually gunna get caught between a rock and a hard place 🙂

Posted by: Mommy Dear | Feb 18 2025 7:15 utc | 296

What position is UK peter mendleson taking regards these talks ?
Bent right over and legs spread would be my guise.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 18 2025 7:15 utc | 297

Don’t cry about not sharing US “values,” be happy: From Manlio Dinucci (Voltaire):
7/31/2019, “Whatever the sympathy we may have for the people of the United States,
their country is still the main predator of humanity.
We can in no circumstance claim to share their “values.””
UK monarchy’s permanent campaign against Russia (and “for” Ukraine) is based on its belief that if US and Russia have normal relations, UK monarchy will sink into irrelevance.

Posted by: susan mullen | Feb 18 2025 7:38 utc | 298

Seeing that pretentious cuck cry while cringingly referring to that corrupt thief Zelenski as the voice of reason on European values is the most disgusting thing a self respecting European could ever witness, (right after the pointless murder of half a million Slavs of course, the two ignominies being directly related, as fruit of the same depravity and delusion).
If there are any self respecting German Europeans left, they better vote with their heads next week, and banish all pathetic losers like that man to the sewers of history where they belong.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Feb 17 2025 15:35 utc | 8
I watched that video clip.
Pretty incredible after a fashion
The most absurd, deluded retard kabuki theater I have witnessed.
And the EU provides an incredible choice of same.
The total unawareness of the futility of continuing is incredible.
Europe is done!

Posted by: jpc | Feb 18 2025 7:47 utc | 299

John Helmer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz7kfPC4SoLY
“What America really looks like under Trump?”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Feb 18 2025 7:49 utc | 300