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February 9, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-028
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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I think Trump is setting up to exit. Posted by: PalmaSailor | Feb 9 2025 14:01 utc | 1 @1 Posted by: HERMIUS | Feb 9 2025 14:15 utc | 2 Its another method of bringing the US into the conflict. Its obvious whats going on here. Posted by: HERMIUS | Feb 9 2025 14:17 utc | 3 I don’t actually think Trump wants to get into the conflict but I think he’s struggling to deliver his pledge to end it because Putin isn’t playing ball and is in for the long haul. Posted by: PalmaSailor | Feb 9 2025 14:26 utc | 4 Eventually the Russians will want to negotiate, but not until the four oblasts are liberated. Posted by: Truthsayer | Feb 9 2025 14:27 utc | 5 Once signed, it becomes a trigger. “The rare earth minerals now belongs to us” trump will say. “So Russia had better leave those areas”. Posted by: PalmaSailor | Feb 9 2025 14:29 utc | 6 Eventually the Russians will want to negotiate, but not until the four oblasts are liberated. Posted by: PalmaSailor | Feb 9 2025 14:31 utc | 7 PalmaSailor@7….it is not about needs or wants, it’s about control…. of resources. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 9 2025 14:37 utc | 8 7. Posted by: Truthsayer | Feb 9 2025 14:37 utc | 9 PalmaSailor@7….it is not about needs or wants, it’s about control…. of resources. Posted by: PalmaSailor | Feb 9 2025 14:42 utc | 10 PalmaSailor@10….so the theft of Russian resources by 404 and the the grift and graft lifted from it including the 10% for the “big guy” was just projection….hmmm….interesting take on theft. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 9 2025 14:50 utc | 11 Interesting parallels between WWI and the Russo-Ukrainian war by the Chief Editor of Asia Times: Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Feb 9 2025 14:57 utc | 12 PalmaSailor@10….so the theft of Russian resources by 404 and the the grift and graft lifted from it including the 10% for the “big guy” was just projection….hmmm….interesting take on theft. Posted by: PalmaSailor | Feb 9 2025 15:09 utc | 13 Posted by: PalmaSailor | Feb 9 2025 14:01 utc | 1
Asking what’s in it for us (rare earths) is part of delaying and setting obstacles and creating friction onto the continued spending of US taxpayer money into the failed project, same as freezing the flow of cash going thru USAID (which had goals that are wider than just Ukraine). It’s the new admin method of disengagement. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Feb 9 2025 15:09 utc | 14 Posted by: PalmaSailor | Feb 9 2025 14:42 utc | 10 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 15:25 utc | 15 I’m compelled to share an observation I’ve made concerning the intense scrutiny on USAID in America at the moment. RFK Jr. can be seen with Tucker Carlson discussing USAID financing the Maidan Coup. This interview as far as I know, and the topic of it, remains a big secret in the Wretched City and has received no attention. Posted by: chunga | Feb 9 2025 15:30 utc | 16 Latest news: Posted by: Lavrov | Feb 9 2025 15:30 utc | 17 PalmaSailor@12…..predictable and history? It’s playing out in real time in front of our eyes….and Russia atm, is hemmed in. Regardless of how many Ukies they slaughter, even unelected 404 ex officials get a free pass from the Russians. They are stuck, micro movement on the LOCC, Dima had a few vids the other day, the weather is so unpredictable there right now, that Russians are using (like 404) civvie vehicles to get around, armour is restricted to paved roads which makes for long lines of juicy targets: see Dima vids. So as long as Russians are blasting their way to, fill in your favorite city to be freed, they still die. Almost like the RF MOD is stuck with a bunch of broken Hazelnuts. Memory “holed” I guess. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 9 2025 15:34 utc | 18 The Imperial Game is played by all parties, big and small, attending to their personal interest at all times….has been so, throughout recorded human history. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 9 2025 15:48 utc | 19 Always amazes me how the country that is the root cause of this conflict can talk about a negotiated settlement, or a ceasefire, or a freezing of the lines of conflict. It all presumes a leverage over Russia which the US does not have, and the US as a detached observer of the conflict, which is a total fraud. It reminds me of the southern states referring to slavery as the ‘peculiar institution,’ as if it was something that just happened in their region to the surprise of everyone. The conflict ends when the US does nothing – no more weapons, no ISR, no command and control, no Starlink, you’re on your own Ukraine, best of luck. Of course, Trump can’t just do that, so we go through this charade. Posted by: Mike R | Feb 9 2025 15:49 utc | 20 – Russian Su-25 attack fighter shot down and crashed in flames – Posted by: Newbie | Feb 9 2025 15:51 utc | 21 Posted by: Newbie | Feb 9 2025 15:51 utc | 21 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 15:54 utc | 22 Ukraine Weekly Update, 7th February 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-283 Posted by: The Busker | Feb 9 2025 16:25 utc | 23 A Drone War as the West-Ukraine War devolves to be was an easy prediction, typicaly– Posted by: emagnostic | Feb 9 2025 16:30 utc | 24 At this time he has several excuses to avoid being candid – Ukrainians are still in Kursk, Zelensky illegitimate. The war goes on. Posted by: Newbie | Feb 9 2025 16:35 utc | 25 Posted by: The Busker | Feb 9 2025 16:25 utc | 23 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Feb 9 2025 16:48 utc | 26 This mining stuff gets tiresome, whether Ukraine or Greenland. Mines typically invest huge sums over years, sustaining losses and then suffer if their commodity prices go down. I think most of them are poor investments, especially the smaller companies. Example: Almonty trying to produce tungsten and molybdenum. They flirt with being delisted, adding more shares in desperation. And who the heck is going to live and mine in Greenland? It’s ridiculous. Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 9 2025 16:50 utc | 27 Trump wants to end the war. Zelenskys phone call with his Ukrainian agent vindman initiated an impeachment. Trump was ready to endorsed a cease fire freezing and was able to get ukraine to go along with it. Russia won’t though. This leads to a “maximum” pressure campaign after which ukraine and russia can fight with sanctions on russia and nothing new beyond Bidens stuff for Ukraine. This will lead to exhaustion for both sides and a begrudging cease fire, according to Trumps calculations. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 9 2025 16:58 utc | 28 @LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 15:54 utc | 22 Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 9 2025 17:14 utc | 29 This rare earth obsession is ridiculous…They are found all over the globe, and their main use currently is to build electric cars, solar panels, and other trendy stuff which pretend to be good for the environment, but aren’t…But Trump is just winging it, getting Zelensky ready for his plan, which will go nowhere anyway…. Posted by: pyrrhus | Feb 9 2025 17:22 utc | 30 “same as freezing the flow of cash going thru USAID” Posted by: kupkee | Feb 9 2025 17:23 utc | 31 There will be a land bridge from Kaliningrad to Transnistria before this conflicts is ended. Anything less is wishful thinking. Posted by: b4real | Feb 9 2025 17:36 utc | 32 @32 b4real Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 9 2025 17:47 utc | 33 @Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 9 2025 17:47 utc | 33 Posted by: bored | Feb 9 2025 18:31 utc | 34 Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 9 2025 17:47 utc | 33 Posted by: ctiger | Feb 9 2025 18:32 utc | 35 Posted by: bored | Feb 9 2025 18:31 utc | 34 Posted by: ctiger | Feb 9 2025 18:34 utc | 36 Trump wants a piece of the apple pie but he’s getting nothing. Posted by: pepe | Feb 9 2025 18:45 utc | 37
The main thing Russia wants to negotiate with the west is moving NATO troops back to where they were in 1990 (when the US verbally promised ‘not one inch eastward’ for NATO). Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Feb 9 2025 18:45 utc | 38 Ukrainian resources indicate that the Russians near the front are covering entire roads with netting to protect themselves from FPV drones: As an example, they cite the netting of the “road from Bakhmut to Chasovoy Yar, which created a 2 km “net tunnel” that minimizes the drone threat.” Posted by: MiniMO | Feb 9 2025 18:45 utc | 39 @30 Posted by: paddy | Feb 9 2025 18:46 utc | 40 Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Feb 9 2025 18:45 utc | 38 Posted by: pepe | Feb 9 2025 18:47 utc | 41 Scott Ritter just have had the idea of “dry-up” 404. If no money will be funneled towards them, nobody there will get pay checks and so after 4 to 8 weeks or so, there will be a grassroot revolution against Z & Co.. solidarity allways is pending of getting money.. Posted by: ableman | Feb 9 2025 18:51 utc | 42 *******Eighthman @27 Posted by: Jerr | Feb 9 2025 18:53 utc | 43 Gut feeling says USAID dismantling does a lot of damage to Nato war effort in Ukraine. 90% of Ukrainian propaganda channels vanish into thin air with no more funding. Previously mobilization exempted reporters and USAID now put to front lines. The thing will fall, more switch to Russian ranks or surrender, Nato loses grip, at least east of Dnieper. Kiev will become a cheap whorehouse with a lot of unemployed TikTokers and USAID employed propagandists. The new capital will be Zaporozhye or Dnepropetrovsk, which is RU oriented or at minimum neutral. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 9 2025 18:57 utc | 44 Putin needs to offer Trump mining leases on the land he wants to develop; if he does not send anymore military or financial support to Ukraine. Business is business. Posted by: Jerr | Feb 9 2025 18:59 utc | 45 Posted by: Jerr | Feb 9 2025 18:53 utc | 43 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 19:00 utc | 46
Once Russia takes Odessa, Transnistria will be included. Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Feb 9 2025 19:01 utc | 47 I’m glad the SU25 pilot was rescued. I hate even one Russian soldier getting killed. I’ve also become indifferent to whatever Ukie is blown to bits or shot the barrier troops. My sympathy for non voluntary conscripts dried up well over a year ago. Posted by: comrade simba | Feb 9 2025 19:02 utc | 48 *******Eighthman @27 Posted by: Clown Shoes | Feb 9 2025 19:08 utc | 49 Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Feb 9 2025 19:01 utc | 47 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 19:10 utc | 50 I haven’t checked in in a while, maybe it’s been discussed, but Berletic has the USAID show nailed, he doesn’t suffer from TDS or DNC-DS but from USA-DS which is otherwise known as “living in reality” and allows him to see clearly:
Here he is discussing it: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 9 2025 19:18 utc | 51 Posted by: pyrrhus | Feb 9 2025 17:22 utc | 30 Posted by: UWDude | Feb 9 2025 19:27 utc | 52 may be, that is the real secret plan to leave that lost war without loosing the face too much? Posted by: Mary | Feb 9 2025 19:42 utc | 53 Not our war etc…. Posted by: jpc | Feb 9 2025 19:58 utc | 55 Re: “rare earths” – Ukraine doesn’t have too many and the ones they do are in the east. Whoops. Also lithium is not a “rare earth.”
There is much more. So-called verbal or “handshake” deals are common in diplomacy and foreign policy. To pretend that this one (actually multiple instances on numerous occasions) not to expand NATO is somehow exempt is just another narrative trick of the financial elite in the West and their NATO mafia enforcer arm. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 9 2025 20:01 utc | 56 ******* Clown Shoes @49 Posted by: Jerr | Feb 9 2025 20:02 utc | 57 Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 9 2025 16:50 utc | 27 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Feb 9 2025 20:21 utc | 58 Mary @ 54
Well, damn! USAID cut off NAFO funds and instant effect? OK, there is an upside, a short respite for reasoned discourse before the truncheon and castor oil. Viva Trump. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 9 2025 20:25 utc | 59 Jerr@43….money is a great motivator and once you go below grade the temperature is constant. Fly in fly out jobs are common in the north, especially underground mines. Tunnel bore is an art these days….a little shotcrete and you’re off to the mineral deposits. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 9 2025 20:26 utc | 60
If the war is handed off to Europe, I have my doubts that Europe will take the ball and run with it. It was always America’s war and its unlikely that Europe will be able to sustain the initiative for long. Europe developed a ‘win in Ukraine’ agenda because that’s what the US wanted, and like good little vassals they gave up every shred of autonomy and complied. While their so-called leaders are persistently ginning up fear and loathing of Russia, there are definite indications that the masses are tiring of this, and will turn against it when the financial screws on them are tightened as the war drags on. There’s also the lack of military resources in Europe to sustain the war and ‘take it to Russia.’ I see Europe carrying on this war about as well as the Iraqi military that the US stood up in Gulf War 2. Posted by: Mike R | Feb 9 2025 20:53 utc | 61 Eighthman | Feb 9 2025 16:50 utc | 27 Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2025 20:59 utc | 62 Adventure tourism journalism into Kiev/Ukraine Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2025 21:12 utc | 63 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 9 2025 19:18 utc | 51
faces an intractable problem, and that is the flabbiness, bloat and grift within the US MIC, which is geared towards designing and building weapon systems for profit, not functionality. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 9 2025 21:17 utc | 64
Ok, time for some actual American History. The ‘peculiar institution’ of slavery was legal in the British Empire and her colonies at the time of the revolution. The Puritans in the peculiarly cold and rocky (unsuitable for plantation agriculture and unhealthy for tropical Africans) colonies of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Massachusetts quickly abolished the practice. This was easy as slavery in their colonies had been essentially non-existent. Posted by: Drifter | Feb 9 2025 21:21 utc | 65 @Neofeudalfuture | Feb 9 2025 17:47 utc | 33 Posted by: b4real | Feb 9 2025 21:29 utc | 66 https://ip-quarterly.com/en/dont-buy-greenland-buy-its-minerals Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 9 2025 21:30 utc | 67 Everyone includes the Germans, Brits, French, and Poles in the AFU numbers. Posted by: Newbie | Feb 9 2025 21:31 utc | 68 ‘Where Is The Money?’: Zelensky’s Direct Attack On Trump, Calls $200 Bn U.S. Aid Claim ‘Untrue’ Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2025 21:38 utc | 69
In a unipolar world, if the Hegemon can control the trade routes, print the reserve currency and buy anything from anywhere, there is no point in mining or manufacturing as economic activities. But, that world is dying. Lacking the military means to compel rivals to use their reserve currency, the belligerent West is in real trouble. Suddenly, their printing press will no longer guarantee an inflow of raw materials and manufactured goods. Eurasia + East Asia can become an autarchy, the West is no longer needed. If the West can’t develop their own mining and manufacturing within what remains of their sphere of influence, they are doomed to an irreversible decline. Posted by: Drifter | Feb 9 2025 21:39 utc | 70 Re: “rare earths” – Ukraine doesn’t have too many and the ones they do are in the east. Whoops. Also lithium is not a “rare earth.” Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2025 20:59 utc | 62 Posted by: watcher | Feb 9 2025 21:43 utc | 72 Posted by: canuck | Feb 9 2025 21:43 utc | 71 Posted by: watcher | Feb 9 2025 22:02 utc | 73 Posted by: chunga | Feb 9 2025 15:30 utc | 16 Posted by: Paranaense | Feb 9 2025 22:10 utc | 74 China controls the rare earths market not because they have more rare earths deposits , it’s because they have more ‘efficient’ refining techniques. Posted by: Newbie | Feb 9 2025 22:11 utc | 75 USAID, like the CPFB, are mechanism to fund all sorts of Moonbat “Progressive” initiatives ala Soros. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 9 2025 22:16 utc | 76 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @ 64 / Mike R @ 61 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 9 2025 22:16 utc | 77 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 9 2025 19:18 utc | 51 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 9 2025 22:35 utc | 78 @ b4real | Feb 9 2025 21:29 utc | 66 who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 9 2025 22:45 utc | 79 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 9 2025 22:16 utc | 77 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 9 2025 22:57 utc | 80 Refer back to his Dec 2021 letter to EU and NATO leaders for reasons to support this stance. Posted by: rk | Feb 9 2025 23:04 utc | 81 So-called verbal or “handshake” deals are common in diplomacy and foreign policy. To pretend that this one (actually multiple instances on numerous occasions) not to expand NATO is somehow exempt is just another narrative trick of the financial elite in the West and their NATO mafia enforcer arm. Posted by: Naive | Feb 9 2025 23:09 utc | 82 Posted by: Drifter | Feb 9 2025 21:21 utc | 65 Posted by: ChatNPC | Feb 9 2025 23:10 utc | 83 Trump is owned by Musk and Musk is a crook and a fascist of the mussolinian kind. He wants all the available money for his personal projects. Posted by: Naive | Feb 9 2025 23:11 utc | 84 Posted by: Naive | Feb 9 2025 23:11 utc | 84 Posted by: UWDude | Feb 9 2025 23:29 utc | 85 Why does NATO never learn from past mistakes? They’ve learned nothing from the 2023 Cuckster-offensive. They lost again, according to Dima. There are hundreds of destroyed pieces of equipment, and dead NATO soldiers being left to rot without recovering their dead. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 9 2025 23:29 utc | 86 @ Posted by: Naive | Feb 9 2025 23:11 utc | 84 Posted by: too scents | Feb 9 2025 23:35 utc | 87 The Civil War was never about slavery as a moral issue, rather it was a headcount dispute as to whether a slave counted as 2/3 of a man or a whole one for the purposes of Federal disbursements. The South wanted them to be counted as ‘whole’ men despite the limitations on civil and voting rights. Posted by: HERMIUS | Feb 9 2025 23:53 utc | 88 Ukrainian resources indicate that the Russians near the front are covering entire roads with netting to protect themselves from FPV drones: As an example, they cite the netting of the “road from Bakhmut to Chasovoy Yar, which created a 2 km “net tunnel” that minimizes the drone threat.” Posted by: Barrel Brown | Feb 10 2025 0:00 utc | 89
You have an old dog who can’t learn new tricks and a dog still in his prime who is wealthier by orders of magnitude. The fight is over already. POTUS 47 can still piss on toy poodles like Macron and Trudeau, but he also knows how to be submissive. Just look at his behaviour with the PM of IS, the POTUS acted like a servant. Posted by: Drifter | Feb 10 2025 0:02 utc | 90 Trump is owned by Musk and Musk is a crook and a fascist of the mussolinian kind. He wants all the available money for his personal projects. Posted by: PalmaSailor | Feb 10 2025 0:02 utc | 91 Dima says that the Ukrainians have been totally defeated near Sudzha, with a road of death leading back to Sumy. Posted by: vargas | Feb 10 2025 0:05 utc | 92 @66 b4real Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Feb 10 2025 0:21 utc | 93 Posted by: Naive | Feb 9 2025 23:09 utc | 82 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 10 2025 0:22 utc | 94 Re: Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Feb 9 2025 18:45 utc | 38
Err Ed, you must not be following the conflict too closely. Posted by: Julian | Feb 10 2025 0:46 utc | 95 Military Summary channel says the latest failed AFU offensive was 4 – 6 months worth of Nato AFV production wiped out in a few days. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 10 2025 0:49 utc | 96 Posted by: too scents | Feb 9 2025 23:35 utc | 87 Posted by: Naive | Feb 10 2025 0:51 utc | 97 AFU is sending continuous convoys from Sumy toward Sudzha, RUAF is conducting continuous interceptions with drones and bombs. In recent days they also bombed heavily the staging area NE of Sumy town. The losses for AFU trying to supply and reinforces Sudzha must be high. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 10 2025 0:52 utc | 98 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 10 2025 0:49 utc | 96 Posted by: Naive | Feb 10 2025 0:54 utc | 99 Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 9 2025 21:38 utc | 69 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 10 2025 0:56 utc | 100 |
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