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February 2, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-023
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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What do we think – will Russia be allowed to keep its bases – or not?” Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 3 2025 18:28 utc | 201 @160. “…the issue is not with ATC…” Posted by: UBAH | Feb 3 2025 18:28 utc | 202 192 – Fits a pattern of wars, in which typically newly-arrived replacements are apt to be killed off quickly. They don’t know the behaviour of veterans who are likely to have survived by learning how to avoid risks. Veterans often avoid the “f^^king new guys” because being around them can be dangerous. Posted by: Waldorf | Feb 3 2025 18:36 utc | 203 Borzzikman reported yesterday that Russia took out some Ukrainian planes with an SU-57. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 3 2025 18:39 utc | 204 Putin never will but all of the way to Paris and London would be better. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 3 2025 18:41 utc | 205 201 – Eventually they will lose the bases. I suspect the “government” of head-choppers has only refrained from trying to remove them so far because it barely controls even rump Syria, and it may look bad to take overt action against the Russians when it failed to defend Syrian territory from the Israelis. Posted by: Waldorf | Feb 3 2025 18:44 utc | 206 Going Underground Posted by: John Gilberts | Feb 3 2025 18:57 utc | 207 Posted by: Paranaense | Feb 3 2025 17:05 utc | 198 Posted by: Mary | Feb 3 2025 19:24 utc | 208 All those of you who insist on contaminating this Ukraine thread with an American plain crash: Can’t you at least be a little polite and move over to the open thread Posted by: Avtonom | Feb 3 2025 19:41 utc | 209
Posted by: Avtonom | Feb 3 2025 19:41 utc | 209 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 3 2025 19:53 utc | 210 @208 Posted by: paddy | Feb 3 2025 20:06 utc | 211 For all intents and purposes, Russia has lost their bases in Syria. Everything outside the base fences is now enemy territory, so how can they persist? There will be harassment drone strikes that will ramp up to serious ones until Russia abandons the bases. That is unless the CIA wants to stage something really nasty and spectacular to embarrass and shock the Russians, but the CIA would never stoop to something like that, would they? Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 3 2025 20:09 utc | 212 Here we go, audit time:
https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/02/03/the-first-sanctions-loomed-the-united-states-is-preparing-an-audit-of-the-ukrainian-cpc Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 3 2025 20:18 utc | 214 For all intents and purposes, Russia has lost their bases in Syria. Posted by: logosapplied | Feb 3 2025 20:23 utc | 215 UK gives ” 2.26″ billion loan from frozen Rus funds…Finland gives 198million….it all adds up to the figs I gave yesterday.. Posted by: Jo | Feb 3 2025 20:41 utc | 216 It’s a Youtube channel I can’t vouch for, but claims that the Ukrainians are fleeing Sudhza en masse leaving equipment behind … it doesn’t seem too click-baitey, but who knows. Seems like it uses AI for the voiceover. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 3 2025 20:55 utc | 217 Borzzikman reported yesterday that Russia took out some Ukrainian planes with an SU-57. Posted by: Newbie | Feb 3 2025 20:58 utc | 218
I don’t think they have to fly below 200 feet everywhere in the DC area. Posted by: Cheney | Feb 3 2025 21:18 utc | 219 Republicofscotland@201…..read somewhere recently that the French have been all over the old Russian bases in Syria, there are no Russians there. Also the Apartheid State dismantled all the weapons storage facilities, reports of rather large explosions, all those big beautiful weapons, gone. Damn restraint. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 3 2025 21:52 utc | 220
It doesn’t appear as if your post generated any commentary here on (MOA) Moscow Of Alabama…what a surprise! As someone on YT commented, “The distance between Bakhmut and Chasiv Yar is only 10 km, the second best army in the world conquered Bakhmut in May 2023 and has not conquered Chasiv Yar as of 2025.” Posted by: ReinhardVonSiegfried | Feb 3 2025 21:56 utc | 221
Posted by: ReinhardVonSiegfried | Feb 3 2025 21:56 utc | 221 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 3 2025 22:18 utc | 222 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 3 2025 20:55 utc | 217 Posted by: Babel-17 | Feb 3 2025 22:51 utc | 223 Posted by: Newbie | Feb 3 2025 20:58 utc | 218 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 3 2025 23:03 utc | 224 Can anyone give me a reasonable take on Oryx OSINT and their seemingly inflated numbers on Russian equipment losses? I know they were spawned off of Bellingcrap or at least have the same British / Dutch ‘intelligence’ backers. But I’m looking for a definitive takedown or proof of actual errors and chicanery if anyone can provide. Thanks. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 3 2025 23:04 utc | 225 @Sean_the_Leprechaun Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 3 2025 23:04 utc | 226 I saw a video from Martyanov today that talks about what I have noticed. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 3 2025 23:08 utc | 227 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 3 2025 14:50 utc | 176 Posted by: watcher | Feb 3 2025 23:16 utc | 228 I cannot understand the servile, obsequious, cowardly compliance of EU nations in regard to their borders and sovereignty. Why do we not witness a critical mass of these nations simply leaving any EU judicial administration and join up with others who feel the same way? Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 3 2025 23:23 utc | 229 Why do we not witness a critical mass of these nations simply leaving any EU judicial administration and join up with others who feel the same way? Posted by: too scents | Feb 3 2025 23:28 utc | 230 @LoveDonbass | Mon, 03 Feb 2025 23:08:00 GMT | 227
Trump supporters were always in for a rude surprise. Trump plays golf and swings real estate deals, enriching himself and his family, but has little interest or acumen in actual governance. Posted by: James M. | Feb 3 2025 23:41 utc | 231 Daily DS update: Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 3 2025 23:59 utc | 232 Posted by: Mary | Feb 3 2025 19:24 utc | 208 Posted by: Paranaense | Feb 4 2025 0:05 utc | 233 @ Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 3 2025 23:04 utc | 225 Posted by: boneless | Feb 4 2025 0:13 utc | 234 ZH has a posting up with the title
I have read that all drone strikes are also coordinated with US folks for targeting information…..Trump owns the continuation of NATO in Ukraine. Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 4 2025 0:23 utc | 235 Posted by: James M. | Feb 3 2025 23:41 utc | 231 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 4 2025 1:15 utc | 236 The difference between Trump and Biden is that Biden had a poor person’s mentality, 10% for the big guy and all that. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 4 2025 1:28 utc | 237 For those of us who do not suffer from autism, “Whose numbers?” Posted by: Newbie | Feb 4 2025 1:44 utc | 238 Posted by: Newbie | Feb 4 2025 1:44 utc | 239 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 4 2025 1:50 utc | 239 @LoveDonbass | Tue, 04 Feb 2025 01:15:00 GMT | 236
He has a funny way of going about promoting his “legacy.” He is overall the least popular president since polling began. I don’t think at any point in his presidency (first term and current term) he’s polled above 50%. Every other president hit at least sixty percent at least once, except Biden who hit 57%. Posted by: James M. | Feb 4 2025 2:22 utc | 240 @LoveDonbass | Tue, 04 Feb 2025 01:28:00 GMT | 237
Biden was a pretty terrible president, the second worst polling president in history after Trump. The problem the Democrats had was they did not primary him. Posted by: James M. | Feb 4 2025 2:33 utc | 241 It’s been three years, pyrrhic volumes of Russian dead, destruction of most of its Soviet weapons inheritance. It’s VERY clear Russia is unable to defeat Ukraine. Posted by: Junior Bar | Feb 4 2025 3:48 utc | 242 Elenskiy is begging for negotiations. Surviving population is killing its mobilization oppressors. Countless wunderwaffen proven insufficient, allied specialist and advisors forever buried deep in thought safe bunkers. Russia controls territories sold for billions of dollars and NATO fails to get those back for years, shattering the image of its military domination. Western government regimes fall like domino. Allies feed on allies. Will Elenskiy accept his embarrassing defeat? Posted by: boneless | Feb 4 2025 4:06 utc | 243 Man, I wish I was paid to do this kinda thing too. Oh wait, nobody is getting paid anymore. Tragic. Posted by: boneless | Feb 4 2025 4:07 utc | 244 Alastair Crooke Posted by: John Gilberts | Feb 4 2025 4:54 utc | 245 ****LoveDonbass @150**** Posted by: Jerr | Feb 4 2025 5:02 utc | 246 Decades of tank build up, gone. Millions of hours of training, gone. Decades of air defense build up, gone. Decades of artillery build up, gone. Posted by: Scott B Freiboth | Feb 4 2025 6:12 utc | 247 Elenskiy is begging for negotiations. Surviving population is killing its mobilization oppressors. Countless wunderwaffen proven insufficient, allied specialist and advisors forever buried deep in thought safe bunkers. Russia controls territories sold for billions of dollars and NATO fails to get those back for years, shattering the image of its military domination. Western government regimes fall like domino. Allies feed on allies. Will Elenskiy accept his embarrassing defeat? Posted by: rk | Feb 4 2025 7:33 utc | 248 You do know that the numbers don’t matter, right? Posted by: Newbie | Feb 4 2025 9:27 utc | 249 TASS, Feb. 4th Posted by: elmagnostic | Feb 4 2025 10:39 utc | 250 It looks as though zelensky the penist is right on the skids. As well as the trumpists, the euros have decided he has to go as he’s too intransigent about opposing doing a deal with Russia.
It’s no surprise that all the west’s 3LA’s have been keeping their eye on him since he jagged the gig of prez; undoubtedly in anticipation of the somewhat inevitable day, when they have to use it. Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 4 2025 12:23 utc | 251 Looks like the raw minerals in Ukraine don’t really make that much of a difference, as most can be sourced from outside Ukraine. Most likely Trump just threw in the idea as a last ditch effort to loot as much as possible in exchange for US weapons before even that isn’t theoretically possible anymore, as Russia can deny the west of minerals, primarily located around Dnepropetrovsk and some around Krivoy Rog.
Posted by: unimperator | Feb 4 2025 12:38 utc | 252 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 3 2025 23:04 utc | 225 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 4 2025 12:53 utc | 253 So, s has a new post, starts with much the same as debsisbed nato dropping Z Posted by: Newbie | Feb 4 2025 13:40 utc | 254 The Trump claim to Ukrainian rare earth minerals as the basis for repayment of Ikraine’s war debt, is not about the minerals. Posted by: Jerr | Feb 4 2025 14:04 utc | 255 Talking about minerals, here is a timely map of Ukraine’s mineral resources. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 4 2025 14:40 utc | 256 Newbie@255….reading from s’ post today, the Russians have had ample opportunities to eliminate Zman, so it would be ridiculously funny at this point if the west caps bog roll boy and blames it on Russia ….based on that little twist of fate…..I predict Zman lives only because Russia never had balls big enough to pull off a double tap on the little turd. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 4 2025 14:47 utc | 257 Zelensky asks US for $20 billion to find out where the $100 billion went. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 4 2025 15:25 utc | 258 “Norway: Former NATO SecGen Jens Stoltenberg has been named the new Norwegian Finance Minister.” Posted by: canuck | Feb 4 2025 15:26 utc | 260 Posted by: unimperator | Feb 4 2025 15:32 utc | 260 From Twitter. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 4 2025 16:10 utc | 261 Posted by: Jerr | Feb 4 2025 5:02 utc | 247 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 4 2025 16:12 utc | 262 Posted by: Scott B Freiboth | Feb 4 2025 6:12 utc | 248 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 4 2025 16:16 utc | 263 Alex Krainer thinks the 5% target for NATO spending set by Trump is impossible. Once EU states can’t fulfill it, Trump will use it to pull the rug under Nato. Posted by: unimperator | Feb 4 2025 16:24 utc | 264 ****** LoveDonbass @263 “Unsurprisingly, you’re not looking at this like a businessman.” Posted by: Jerr | Feb 4 2025 16:38 utc | 265 259 – Well, yeah. Professional accountants need some money to work with. Are they expected to fly second-class or something? Posted by: Waldorf | Feb 4 2025 17:11 utc | 266 From Twitter. Posted by: Newbie | Feb 4 2025 17:17 utc | 267 Posted by: Jerr | Feb 4 2025 16:38 utc | 266 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 4 2025 17:42 utc | 268 258 – One of the theories about the conflict I find more credible is that the Russians have not popped Zelensky because he might be replaced by someone more competent. Posted by: Waldorf | Feb 4 2025 17:45 utc | 269 I am listening to McGregor on Davis’s show. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 4 2025 17:47 utc | 270 @ LoveDonbass about those mineral deposits and Trump..thx Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 4 2025 18:33 utc | 272 Trump has been getting a lesson on realpolitik in spades this week – Posted by: tobias cole | Feb 4 2025 18:50 utc | 273 Once DJT gets a grip on reality he will be better off………. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 4 2025 19:01 utc | 274 https://t.me/boris_rozhin/153592?single Posted by: MiniMO | Feb 4 2025 19:18 utc | 275 Posted by: elmagnostic | Feb 3 2025 0:31 utc | 125 Posted by: snake | Feb 4 2025 19:21 utc | 276 276 – The Croatian is called Amir, which suggests he might actually be a Muslim from Bosnia. The Turk may also have been motivated by some form of Islamism, and the transport of him and others like him to Ukraine might have been expedited by the Turkish government. Posted by: Waldorf | Feb 4 2025 19:46 utc | 277 From a ZH posting related to my earlier posting of Reuters headlines
So, assuming Trump is not stupid, what is the expected response by Russia to such folly? Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 4 2025 19:48 utc | 278 So, assuming Trump is not stupid, what is the expected response by Russia to such folly? Posted by: Newbie | Feb 4 2025 20:05 utc | 279 Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 4 2025 19:48 utc | 279 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 4 2025 20:10 utc | 280 And we all know how bad Trump is at staffing, ignoring that “personnel is policy”. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 4 2025 20:11 utc | 281 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2-tOuHLiO8&t=284s Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 4 2025 20:16 utc | 282 So, assuming Trump is not stupid, what is the expected response by Russia to such folly? Posted by: Mario | Feb 4 2025 20:18 utc | 283 The EU will be like the French chief of police in Casablanca, who was “shocked” to learn of gambling at Rick’s, when they announce they are “shocked” to learn that members of the Zelenskyy government have since the beginning been siphoning off billions of Euros worth of aid. Posted by: Babel-17 | Feb 4 2025 20:27 utc | 284 ******** Love Donbass @269 Posted by: Jerr | Feb 4 2025 21:18 utc | 285 Today I see Rusaia using donkeys for transport. Seriously, you guys all can see that the Russian army doesn’t have enough armour for assaults, and over 50% are now in civilian vehicles, how do you guys still think you’ll win? Posted by: Banishedandbackagain | Feb 4 2025 21:38 utc | 286 Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 4 2025 19:48 utc | 279 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 4 2025 21:43 utc | 287 re: Banishedandbackagain | Feb 4 2025 21:38 utc | 287 Posted by: Perimetr | Feb 4 2025 21:46 utc | 288 Posted by: Banishedandbackagain | Feb 4 2025 21:38 utc | 287 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 4 2025 21:47 utc | 289 Posted by: Banishedandbackagain | Feb 4 2025 21:38 utc | 287 Posted by: HERMIUS | Feb 4 2025 21:55 utc | 290 Posted by: Banishedandbackagain @ 287 Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Feb 4 2025 21:58 utc | 291 Posted by: Banishedandbackagain | Feb 4 2025 21:38 utc | 287 Posted by: The Flying Scotsman | Feb 4 2025 22:02 utc | 292 Well, you will keep to deny it but https://t.me/russianocontext/6021 is the source. Posted by: Banishedandbackagain | Feb 4 2025 22:51 utc | 293 DS update: Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 5 2025 0:24 utc | 294 ******* snake @278 Posted by: Jerr | Feb 5 2025 1:26 utc | 295 Interesting times. Posted by: BadDealMotorsOn | Feb 5 2025 1:37 utc | 296 Those using the muh attrition cope, fine, OK, stick to it. Posted by: Newbie | Feb 5 2025 1:47 utc | 297 “Ukraine short three mln workers, to depend on migrants from Asia, Africa to fill jobs ” Posted by: Newbie | Feb 5 2025 2:05 utc | 298 @ Anonymous | Feb 5 2025 0:24 utc | 295 Posted by: boneless | Feb 5 2025 2:38 utc | 299 Posted by: Newbie | Feb 5 2025 2:05 utc | 299 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 5 2025 4:19 utc | 300 |
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