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February 2, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-023
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Posted by: HB_Norica | Feb 2 2025 20:19 utc | 83 Posted by: Milites | Feb 2 2025 21:27 utc | 101 YetAnotherAnon @99 Posted by: Jerr | Feb 2 2025 21:34 utc | 102 Posted by: Manowar | Feb 2 2025 19:33 utc | 69 Posted by: Naive | Feb 2 2025 21:37 utc | 103 The Nazis also used Zyklon B pellets, which turned into a lethal gas when exposed to air. Zyklon B was used in the gas chambers at Auschwitz. Posted by: Ново З | Feb 2 2025 21:42 utc | 104 People in the US are more concerned about things closer to home, like the first air to air crash since 1986, whose probable cause was the increasing impact of hiring people based on immutable characteristics or personal whimsy. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 2 2025 22:00 utc | 105 Yes, Americans are easily led around by domestic drama like public mass shootings and supposed “terrorist” events created by the FBI. Posted by: HERMIUS | Feb 2 2025 22:12 utc | 106 Ah…we still have an Odessa dreamer, Michael J. Lines have been frozen with zero movement at Kherson at the very wide river. But somehow the Odessa dreamers see a city 120 km west falling anyday now. Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 2 2025 22:14 utc | 107 The defense of Seversk is collapsing. Posted by: Naive | Feb 2 2025 22:14 utc | 108 Another poor day for the RFA with 4.8 kmsq taken. Much worse than recent months. Minor gains at Dachne, at what I’m calling the Dnipro front, and near Terny. Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 2 2025 22:16 utc | 109 When it comes to England v. Germany, the Brits bombed first on civilian centers. Posted by: Victor Scarpia | Feb 2 2025 22:18 utc | 110 @LoveDonbass | Sun, 02 Feb 2025 22:00:00 GMT | 105
Indeed it is. But don’t tell that to an American primacist, his head might explode if he has to learn Mandarin. Posted by: James M. | Feb 2 2025 22:20 utc | 111 Auf den Friedhoefen ist nicht genug Platzs fuer ppp Armee. Posted by: Naive | Feb 2 2025 22:24 utc | 112 @Naive | Sun, 02 Feb 2025 22:14:00 GMT | 108
Good, it won’t be long now and Donetsk will be secured. In the meantime, the Ukrainians are being rapidly de-militarized. Posted by: James M. | Feb 2 2025 22:31 utc | 113 Jerr @ 35: “Thus, the Canadian and Mexican auto plants will cut back significantly or close laying off 10s of thousands. In US plants will increase production” Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Feb 2 2025 22:41 utc | 114 *** Trump is a lot of things. He is not a fool. He’s not going to double down on stupid. Part of me hopes he is running out the clock on the Neocons and the Zionists *** Posted by: frithguild | Feb 2 2025 23:07 utc | 115 Posted by: Jerr | Feb 2 2025 20:13 utc | 81 Posted by: Lex | Feb 2 2025 23:08 utc | 116 Posted by: frithguild | Feb 2 2025 23:07 utc | 115 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 2 2025 23:30 utc | 117 Posted by: Milites | Feb 2 2025 21:24 utc | 100 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 2 2025 23:33 utc | 118 Not sure how this tariff thing will work out but I suspect it is 4 years too late. Posted by: Watcher | Feb 2 2025 23:42 utc | 119 Posted by: Watcher | Feb 2 2025 23:42 utc | 119 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 2 2025 23:51 utc | 120 ***** Lex #116 Posted by: Jerr | Feb 3 2025 0:11 utc | 121 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 2 2025 23:30 utc | 117 Posted by: frithguild | Feb 3 2025 0:16 utc | 122 Posted by: bored | Feb 2 2025 14:18 utc | 2 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 3 2025 0:17 utc | 123 @ Milites | Feb 2 2025 15:45 utc | 17 Posted by: boneless | Feb 3 2025 0:22 utc | 124 Easy to figure out. Trump’s art of the deal: You get Ukraine, I get Greenland. So simple. Posted by: elmagnostic | Feb 3 2025 0:31 utc | 125 **** elmagnostic @ 125 Posted by: Jerr | Feb 3 2025 1:18 utc | 126 Posted by: Jerr | Feb 2 2025 20:13 utc | 81 Posted by: snake | Feb 3 2025 1:27 utc | 127 Posted by: Jerr | Feb 2 2025 20:13 utc | 81 Posted by: snake | Feb 3 2025 1:27 utc | 128 From Proxy War to Proxy Peace Posted by: james | Feb 3 2025 1:27 utc | 129 @ elmagnostic | Feb 3 2025 0:31 utc | 125 Posted by: james | Feb 3 2025 1:29 utc | 130 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 2 2025 23:30 utc | 117 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Feb 3 2025 1:43 utc | 131 @ james | Feb 3 2025 1:27 utc | 129 with the link, light on proof, showing negotiation between Russia and the US…thx Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 3 2025 1:51 utc | 132 @ psychohistorian | Feb 3 2025 1:51 utc | 132 Posted by: james | Feb 3 2025 1:54 utc | 133 There’s no letup in the Ukronazi assault on Russia. Just today according to Russian telegram channels, there was a ‘massive drone attack’ on Volgograd just after the Victory in the Battle of Stalingrad celebrations. They seem to have wrecked a Lukoil refinery which was their main target. Posted by: bored | Feb 3 2025 1:58 utc | 134 @James – re: the link to the substack Feb 3 2025 1:27 utc Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 3 2025 1:58 utc | 135 There’s no letup in the Ukronazi assault on Russia. Just today according to Russian telegram channels, there was a ‘massive drone attack’ on Volgograd just after the Victory in the Battle of Stalingrad celebrations. They seem to have wrecked a Lukoil refinery which was their main target. Posted by: HERMIUS | Feb 3 2025 2:06 utc | 136 @ Ghost of Zanon | Feb 3 2025 1:58 utc | 135 Posted by: james | Feb 3 2025 2:11 utc | 137 Kursk significant not only in prime meat grinded but also in equipment destroyed. By March 15 overall 100000 more grinded and multiple times injured? I just ran across this text in an article about the USAID website going dark: Posted by: frithguild | Feb 3 2025 2:32 utc | 139 Dima’s latest report deserves some serious discussion, IMO. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 3 2025 2:36 utc | 140 Just to throw out my theory … Ukraine no longer has effective control of the region to the North of Sumy, and Russian forces have embedded themselves a lot further south of the border than any of these mappers show. Enough to get FPV fiber optic drones right into the highway outside of Sumy. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 3 2025 2:39 utc | 141 A quick google search suggests Russian fibre optic drones have a range of just over 12 miles (20k). Posted by: Saul Goode | Feb 3 2025 3:18 utc | 142 Hope none y’all Merkins are going to look at your IRA or 401k tomorrow. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 3 2025 4:02 utc | 143 Regarding the fibre optic drones I’ve heard that they’ve managed to extend the range by linking the fibre optic drones to a more traditional radio controlled drone that acts as a mothership/signal relay. The mothership drone moves further out past the line of conflict and then deploys the fibre optic drone. the drone operator then puts the mothership drone into hover mode, switches over to the fibre optic drone and then hunts down targets Posted by: Kadath | Feb 3 2025 4:31 utc | 144 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 2 2025 23:33 utc | 118 Posted by: Paranaense | Feb 3 2025 5:03 utc | 145 Posted by: snake | Feb 3 2025 1:27 utc | 127 Posted by: Paranaense | Feb 3 2025 5:17 utc | 146 English Outsider | Feb 2 2025 15:57 utc | 20 Posted by: fanto | Feb 3 2025 5:19 utc | 147 Re: Gavin Longmuir @114, Posted by: Kadath | Feb 3 2025 5:21 utc | 148 snake @128 Posted by: Jerr | Feb 3 2025 5:23 utc | 149 There is no economic advantage for the US to make cars “in the US” correction should be “in Canada”. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 3 2025 5:40 utc | 150 @Paranaense | Mon, 03 Feb 2025 05:17:00 GMT | 146
China is much more into buying now, especially for the right products. Canada’s top exports are petroleum and natural gas, commodities China is hungry for. And metal products, which Trump tariffed and China needs. Same with Mexico, which has China as its number two trading partner. Also, there is India… Posted by: James M. | Feb 3 2025 5:56 utc | 151 Posted by: Paranaense | Feb 3 2025 5:03 utc | 145 Posted by: Mary | Feb 3 2025 6:10 utc | 152 Ukraine Weekly Update, 31st Jan 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-786 Posted by: The Busker | Feb 3 2025 7:50 utc | 153 Funding will soon dry up for NGOs and other entities that rely on USAID funds—some of which have been linked to furthering left-wing censorship efforts around the world and funding coups. The veil is being torn open. Posted by: rk | Feb 3 2025 8:34 utc | 154 USAID is kaput. Posted by: Suresh | Feb 3 2025 9:15 utc | 155 @114 Posted by: Fred777 | Feb 3 2025 11:02 utc | 157 Sticking with the theme of my comment in the open thread this morning- Narrative management. Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 3 2025 11:44 utc | 158 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Feb 2 2025 21:15 utc | 99 Posted by: Passerby | Feb 3 2025 11:59 utc | 159 152: Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 3 2025 12:35 utc | 160 “2. The pilot has been named. She was highly respected by her male peers & a well qualified white woman.” “Look what just happened in AI.. The Chinese, with very little capital, and a very small development team, just quashed the $500 billion four AI giants plan to completely monopolize the AI market. The Chinese, Deep Seek II AI product not only does AI it also does reasoning. so its AIR. . The problem is the situation is much more than a better mouse trap and also a dynamically threatening marketing method (open source). Open source represents a very powerful economic defense against being isolated by monopoly powers.” @161 Posted by: Fred777 | Feb 3 2025 12:49 utc | 163 It is also sort of interesting, eerie, that the one female pilot was not just some generic shlub. But a bit of a spokesmodel (the Biden administration gig). Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 3 2025 12:54 utc | 164 163 – 500 hours of flight time would have been considered adequate in WW2, for a single-engine fighter, though the Americans at least aimed to get their pilots 600-700 hours before going operational. Axis fighter pilots were often made operational in 1943-5 with significantly less than 500 hours though they were prone to crashes and often had trouble fighting more experienced enemies in air-to-air clashes. Posted by: Waldorf | Feb 3 2025 13:05 utc | 165 zelensky is now doing the high frequency keening whine about $200 billion that has gone “missing”. Send him another $200 billion then, problem solved for a few days. Make the fucking goys pay it like always. Posted by: Jack M | Feb 3 2025 13:06 utc | 166 165: Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 3 2025 13:10 utc | 167 Most governments don’t want USAID funds flowing into their countries because they understand where much of that money actually ends up. Posted by: frithguild | Feb 3 2025 13:29 utc | 168 The aircraft crash which has caused so much discussion in the Ukraine Open Thread was deliberate. There is no way for any of us to know if the TWO pilots at the controls of the helicopter worked together in some bizarre suicide pact (unlikely); or if one pilot killed the other pilot then flew the helicopter into the aircraft to commit suicide (again, unlikely – pilot murder/suicides have happened, but the aircraft has always been flown into the ground not into another aircraft); or the helicopter was remote controlled into the aircraft (most likely). The fact the media in the U.S., which is controlled by the U.S. government, is throwing up a massive smokescreen of “DEI!,” “TRANS!,” “WOMAN!,” tells me something else, something much more significant happened – that this was a deliberate act by someone who remote controlled that ultra modern computer networked helicopter equipped with the most capable collision avoidance systems available. Posted by: Nobody Special | Feb 3 2025 13:30 utc | 169 Posted by: Kadath | Feb 3 2025 4:31 utc | 144
That’s pretty interesting. It certainly could help explain how Russia got so deep into Ukrainian territory without any formal changing of the polygons/maps, but I checked on Google and the distance from Sumy to Glushkovo (due north of Sumy, near the Russian border) is 100 km. That’s a long way. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 3 2025 13:40 utc | 170 nobody @ 169 Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 3 2025 14:02 utc | 171 Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 3 2025 14:02 utc | 171 May I politely remind everyone that this is a, sigh, “Ukraine thread” and scrolling through mountainous paragraphs of a completely unrelated topic got very annoying. Posted by: boneless | Feb 3 2025 14:27 utc | 173 This is a aummary of U.S. related news items for today. That’s not my site. I just read it. Near the top of the page is information about USAID funding the Maidan coup with $5 billion US dollars. Near the bottom are links to four stories about Russia / Ukraine. The rest of the page will give most people a good idea of how the United States actually runs. Posted by: Nobody Special | Feb 3 2025 14:32 utc | 174 Another red line crossed? Posted by: ReinhardVonSiegfried | Feb 3 2025 14:45 utc | 175 Watcher@119….in Canada’s new trade agreement with the US, just like the old agreement, there is a clause stating Canada must get the US’s permission to sell Canadian energy to any other country, so I will repeat, Canada is not Sovereign, it is a sole subsidiary of the House of Windsor…..do read some constitutional law. Please. And the Canadian Oath of Allegiance read it too, Canadians are the Crown of England’s subjects. Including the newly amended Canadian Oath of Allegiance which makes all First Nations and Inuit peoples……subjects of the Crown. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 3 2025 14:50 utc | 176 Posted by: James M. | Feb 3 2025 5:56 utc | 151 Posted by: Paranaense | Feb 3 2025 14:52 utc | 177 “But Trump has better ideas about what is good, what is bad, including in gender policy, in some other issues, they kind of don’t like it,” the Russian president asserted. Posted by: frithguild | Feb 3 2025 14:56 utc | 178 Posted by: Mary | Feb 3 2025 6:10 utc | 152 Posted by: Paranaense | Feb 3 2025 14:59 utc | 179 Posted by: Mary | Feb 3 2025 6:10 utc | 152 Red line #99 Posted by: ReinhardVonSiegfried | Feb 3 2025 15:30 utc | 181 Posted by: Paranaense | Feb 3 2025 14:59 utc | 179 Posted by: Mary | Feb 3 2025 15:32 utc | 182 Posted by: canuck | Feb 3 2025 15:14 utc | 180 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 3 2025 15:39 utc | 183 Posted by: canuck | Feb 3 2025 12:36 utc | 161 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 3 2025 15:43 utc | 184
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 3 2025 15:57 utc | 185 Plane crashes due to DEI is all people are taking about. Even Putin throws in some comments about “gender policy”. This is all off topic on a Ukraine discussion, but kind of not. I have been commenting here about how a shift in narrative can change the perception of reality. The shift over the past week has been astounding at least to me. Big risks are being taken to make this happen. Posted by: frithguild | Feb 3 2025 15:57 utc | 186 Resulting in:
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 3 2025 16:01 utc | 187 There is no possibility of a conscious helicopter crew being unaware of an approaching aircraft, landing lights blazing, as is required below 10,000 feet, above ground level, on a clear night. Posted by: necromancer | Feb 3 2025 16:03 utc | 188 Having said that, I have not, as yet, seen many informed sources. Posted by: necromancer | Feb 3 2025 16:06 utc | 189 @ Tom_Q_Collins | Feb 3 2025 15:39 utc Posted by: Ant. | Feb 3 2025 16:10 utc | 190 “no sensible target onboard the passenger place” Posted by: necromancer | Feb 3 2025 16:19 utc | 191 https://www.rt.com/news/612102-british-teen-mercenary-killed-ukraine/ Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Feb 3 2025 16:19 utc | 192 @ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 3 2025 15:57 utc | 185 // 187 Posted by: james | Feb 3 2025 16:21 utc | 193 @ Posted by: Johan Kaspar Feb 3 2025 16:19 utc 193 Posted by: Ant. | Feb 3 2025 16:27 utc | 194 Posted by: Ant. | Feb 3 2025 16:10 utc | 191 Posted by: Mary | Feb 3 2025 16:46 utc | 195 https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/01/us/black-hawk-helicopter-training-plane-crash/index.html Posted by: Mary | Feb 3 2025 16:47 utc | 196 Posted by: Mary | Feb 3 2025 15:32 utc | 182 Posted by: Paranaense | Feb 3 2025 16:51 utc | 197 Posted by: Mary | Feb 3 2025 6:10 utc | 152 Posted by: Paranaense | Feb 3 2025 17:05 utc | 198
I thought of another name for the award while running home: The Low-Hanging Fruit Award. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Feb 3 2025 18:14 utc | 199 Good news on this side of the frozen hemisphere, Manitoba Merv is predicting just two more weeks of winter, that should help on the other side of the frozen hemisphere as the EU is low on fuel and their winters are not quite as cold as ours according to the young lady that served me the other day, it was -25c here, she assured me where she was from, northern Ukraine, she said it only goes to around -10….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 3 2025 18:17 utc | 200 |
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