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February 12, 2025
The Game Is Up Trump Tells Ukrainian War Party

Today the Trump administration told the Ukraine war party that their game is finally up. Everything it had hoped for is out of reach:

Hegseth Says Return to Ukraine’s Pre-2014 Borders Is ‘Unrealistic’ (archived) – New York Times, Feb 12 2025

A return to Ukraine’s pre-2014 borders is “an unrealistic objective” and an “illusionary goal” in the peace settlement between Ukraine and Russia that President Trump wants to accomplish, the U.S. Defense Secretary, Pete Hegseth, said on Wednesday at a meeting of countries supporting Ukraine.

Mr. Trump, he added, does not support Ukraine’s membership in NATO as part of a realistic peace plan.

After a settlement, “a durable peace for Ukraine must include robust security guarantees to ensure that the war will not begin again,” but that would be the responsibility, he said, of European and non-European troops in a “non-NATO mission” unprotected by NATO’s Article Five commitment to collective defense.

No American troops will be deployed to Ukraine, he said, and Europe should provide “the overwhelming share of future lethal and nonlethal aid to Ukraine.”

Just yesterday Zelenski claimed that Europe cannot guarantee Ukraine’s security without the US. He is right with that. Over the last years Russia's military power has tripled. No alliance of current European armies could withstand its power should a conflict over Ukraine reignite.

There is only one party that can and is willing to give Ukraine real security guarantees.

That party is of course, as I wrote 20 months ago, Russia:

A main question for Ukraine since it became an independent state was who or what could potentially guarantee its security.

The Ukraine is now obviously losing the war. It will soon need to sign a capitulation like ceasefire agreement with Russia.

But who or what can guarantee that any such agreement will be held up?

There will be no NATO membership or NATO security guarantees for Ukraine, neither now nor ever.

A direct full security guarantee from Washington to Kiev is also impossible. It would create a high likelihood of a direct war between the U.S. and Russia which would soon become nuclear. The U.S. will not want to risk that.

There is only one country in the world that can guarantee peace in Ukraine and the security of its borders. That country is Russia!

But any such guarantee will of course come with conditions attached to it. Either Ukraine will accept those or it will never be secure from outer interference.

That is simply a fact of life Ukraine has had to, and will have to live with.

This was all so very obvious.

Why did it take so long for realism to come to the fore?

Comments

Tonight, John Mersheimer aired some Realism on US PBS eve. news about what the Trump admin. would have to do to get any agreement with Russia — imo, that is, my hope — aside from all the words about ceasefire. The news is imo that it made it onto MSM when Mersheimer shut up the debating US think tank shrill over ceasefire possibilities. Mersheimer said what he has been saying for years that any agreement with Russia must address its larger Real Security Concerns in all of Eastern Europe of which there are specifically 6 right now, (although he didn’t have the theater of course on PBS to spell those out).
This suggests that as Max Blumenthal pointed out recently on his podcast with Aaron Mate, “The Golden Pager”, that although Trump really isn’t going to address except maybe peripherally (my words) real issue at home and abroad of American Empire, there will be “teachable moments).

Posted by: Lavieja | Feb 13 2025 2:58 utc | 201

It’s why TDS occurs, because they are terrified of the implications of being wrong about him.
. . .
Posted by: Milites | Feb 12 2025 21:57 utc | 120
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Perspicacious.
I experience this every day in my deep-blue community.
They are hoping that the judiciary will stop him, whatever he does. It is TDS all the way and no thought that I can see of why a majority of American voters “hired” him to do what he is doing. They cannot grasp the level of disgust out there in America beyond their bubble for their own heroes, Biden and Harris.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 13 2025 3:01 utc | 202

“None of us imagined 9/11 6 months earlier, nor the results of 9/11, which includes the election of Trump in ’16.”
riiiiigght.
https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/archive/special/0506/chapter5.htm
newspaper reports stating-“not a matter of if but when”
come on, what are you trying to put over?
connecting that incident to Trump?
bold.
desperate.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Feb 13 2025 3:03 utc | 203

It is clear, Putin has betrayed all these dead soldiers.
Russia is scared of NATO, scared of Trump.
Posted by: Lenox | Feb 12 2025 21:58 utc | 122
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LOL.
Russian soldiers know what they are fighting for.
The families of the dead know this, too.
Russians understand what it means to sacrifice one’s life to protect Russia.
They don’t use the term “martyrs,” but I think it is a similar idea.
Russian martyrs will not be forgotten.
I guess you have never watched the annual marches of remembrance for those who died in the Great Patriotic War.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 13 2025 3:06 utc | 204

A bit of info seldom cited here regrading Russia’s SMO provided by Russian public polling firm VTsIOM, “the results of a monitoring survey of Russians about Russia’s special military operation in Ukraine”:

MOSCOW, February 6, 2025: The Russian Public Opinion Research Center (VTsIOM) presents the results of a monitoring survey of Russians about Russia’s special military operation in Ukraine
February 24 marks three years since the beginning of Russia’s special military operation in Ukraine, an event that radically changed the geopolitical landscape and had a serious impact on Russian society. On the eve of the three-year anniversary, VTsIOM presents traditional monitoring questions about the level of support and assessment of the success of the NWO [SMO].
Throughout the monitoring period, there has been a consistently high level of public support for the special military operation, the fluctuations in the indicator for the period under review are statistically insignificant. Immediately after the start of the special military operation, in February 2022, the level of support was 65%, a year later it was 68%, remaining so at the beginning of 2024 (68%); during the January survey, 67% of Russians declared their support. The share of those who disagree with the decision in the first year of the special military operation, on the contrary, decreased from 25 to 20%, stabilizing at around 19% in the next two years.
More tangible fluctuations are observed in the assessments of the success of the special operation for Russian troops. The peak of optimism was noted in March 2022, when 70% spoke about the rather successful course of the NWO, but against the backdrop of the protracted conflict, the figure dropped to 59% by February 2023. [My Emphasis]

I wonder if an update in the soldiers’s opinions will be provided, or perhaps the agency was persuaded not to publish its findings. This agency has all sorts of info on a vast number of topics. More nuanced info would be helpful, but the broad survey is also helpful when all sorts of BS is provided.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2025 3:08 utc | 205

Trump isn’t “desperate”. He is going to end this or he is going to throw up his hands, walk away, and say “Not my monkeys, not my circus.”
Posted by: CullenBaker | Feb 12 2025 22:30 utc | 134
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Yep!
This was Obama’s/the Dems’/Biden clan’s war.
Trump is going to shed it ASAP.
All of the liberals went all-in on supporting Ukraine’s ridiculous claims and demonizing Russia. Also in righteous editorials about “democracy” in the local papers.
Now they are left holding the brass ring.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 13 2025 3:12 utc | 206

Timothy Putnam | Feb 12 2025 18:39 utc | 45
*** If Donald plays his cards right he could get Russian agreement to honour some US corporations’ land and resource acquisitions in parts of Ukraine now or soon to become part of the Russian Federation. Obviously this would require limits placed on their ability to trade and invest across the RF as well as the lifting of certain restrictions placed by both sides on mutual trade and investment. But if zn accord can be reached it would provide all concerned with strong incentives for mutual respect. ***
If something akin to that was agreed to by the Putin regime, it would confirm all the worst of suspicions about their liberal/Alanticist tendencies and basic support for WEF agendas.
In other words, it would be treason.

Posted by: Cynic | Feb 13 2025 3:14 utc | 207

@206 Cont’d–
I should add that Trust in Putin is at 78.2% while the Institution of the President is at 76%; trust in Russian government is 50.6%

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 13 2025 3:15 utc | 208

@ karlof1 | 13 de fev de 2025 3:15 utc | 209
80% to 50% is a big discrepancy!

Posted by: Elber | Feb 13 2025 3:26 utc | 209

I read the article in the link below, I found it interesting, but I can’t abstract the content; is it a genetic phenomenon? cultural?
https://thegrayzone.com/2025/02/07/republicans-transgender-dance-bangladesh/
Posted by: Elber | Feb 13 2025 1:56 utc | 186
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I don’t know what “transgender” means to Bangladeshis.
I know that in India there is a fairly strong subculture of transvestites. Many of them are hired to dance and even officiate at special occasions.
In Western culture, too, there is a strong tradition of transvestitism in the theater, where male actors played female characters.
When I first visited Amsterdam, in the seventies, there were quite a few transvestites at parties. All very theatrical.
Transvestism—cross-dressing and “cross-living”—is not the same thing as transgenderism. The latter includes the practice of medical and surgical interventions to transform a person from one sex to the other.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 13 2025 3:36 utc | 210

Roger Boyd, 163:
“We look set for a full rerun of the late 1970s, with high inflation and negative interest rates crushing the dollar and living standards.”
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NAE (Not an economist), just a reader.
According to Ed Dowd, US economists have not taken into account the inflationary impact of illegal immigrants on the economy. Per Dowd we are heading into a period of recession and much lower inflation. Not systemic recession if Trump can push through his economic policies fast enough.

Posted by: Janes | Feb 13 2025 3:44 utc | 211

Before you can pump out a holed vessel you have to fix the holes first.
Posted by: Milites | Feb 12 2025 23:57 utc | 161
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Technical note:
You have to keep pumping until you fix the hole.
At least on a boat.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 13 2025 3:51 utc | 212

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Posted by: malenkov | Feb 13 2025 3:53 utc | 213

@ Jane | Feb 13 2025 3:36 utc | 211
I just finished reading Arundhati Roy’s (gorgeous) second novel and, unless she’s seriously misrepresenting her native country, there are pockets of transsexual as well as transvestite culture in India.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 13 2025 3:55 utc | 214

once the target marginalised group has fulfilled its role, the IRI and its ilk will amble off to apply the regime-change template elsewhere, leaving that target group to the tender mercies of the people abused by the regime-change tactics.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Feb 13 2025 2:33 utc | 198
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I remember well how the plight of women in Afghanistan and Iraq was a regular feature on NPR programs in the runup to our wars on those countries. Afterwards their plight was conveniently forgotten.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 13 2025 3:58 utc | 215

So the immediate deportation of a huge chunk of corporate amerika’s underpaid workers is gonna stop inflation? How does that work, the corporations will have little choice other than increasing wages & conditions to persuade amerika’s so called legal citizens to work for them. Shitty jobs become much more palatable if the pay’s alright & conditions OK.
The only other option is to let the corporations eat their mess & go broke if necessary, that will be much worse for the ordinary humans who voted for trump. It would cause a 1920’s style depression as the collapse fell on their financialisation links as they went down. So as well as the corporations the parasites who funded ’em, eg banks, Insurance corps, VC’s, private equity mobs would flow down the gurgler as well. No war could get amerika outta that this time.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 13 2025 3:59 utc | 216

@205
“I guess you have never watched the annual marches of remembrance for those who died in the Great Patriotic War.”
I was there in 2019. Moscow. I can’t speak a sentence of Russian, but entertained myself by walking around the city. One day, the city center closed for blocks all around, for a march in honor of Russian war dead. Out of curiousity, I waited in line ten minutes (security check) to access the march. There were so many people walking in unison, somberly, holding remembrance photos of long-passed ancestors. Dense crowds covered almost all the open space on the roadtop. With difficulty, I inserted myself into the funerary line, and marched for several hours myself, as if carried by a powerful river current. A most interesting experience, I must say.

Posted by: GW | Feb 13 2025 4:02 utc | 217

I just finished reading Arundhati Roy’s (gorgeous) second novel and, unless she’s seriously misrepresenting her native country, there are pockets of transsexual as well as transvestite culture in India.
Posted by: malenkov | Feb 13 2025 3:55 utc | 215
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Which novel?
I have read quite a few nonfiction books about India but no novels.
India is a very big country, of course—I was just trying to fit the photo of male transvestite dancers in Bangladesh into a context known to me from my reading. Namely, that male dancers dressed as women might be traditional in Bangladesh as in India.
It turns out that the group I was thinking of is hijras:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)
I should think that being a transsexual (changing sex via operations, hormone therapy,etc.) requires a certain amount of money. But if some hijras undergo castration (as described in the Wiki article), there must be people in their communities who can do this operation.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 13 2025 4:28 utc | 218

Posted by: Jane | Feb 13 2025 3:36 utc | 211
In parts of Oaxaca, Mexico, there are the muxes. They are a “third gender” that has been in the culture since pre-Colonial times, if one is to believe the anthropologists.
The Muxes of Juchitán de Zaragoza
Here in Los Angeles, there is a lot of cross dressing and blurring of sexual boundaries within the Spanish language communitiy. From my observation, it seems more prevalent than in other social groups here as well as when I have had the good fortune to travel in Mexico.

Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 13 2025 4:29 utc | 219

I should think that being a transsexual (changing sex via operations, hormone therapy,etc.) requires a certain amount of money. But if some hijras undergo castration (as described in the Wiki article), there must be people in their communities who can do this operation.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 13 2025 4:28 utc | 219
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Roy deals with this too.
The novel’s title is The Ministry of Utmost Happiness.

Posted by: malenkov | Feb 13 2025 4:35 utc | 220

re: The Game Is Up
Kyev Post —
The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) have launched counterattacks and recaptured lost positions in eastern Ukraine and inside Russia, according to news and combat reports on Wednesday.
The tactical successes of Kyiv’s forces were a setback for a Kremlin strategy that has deployed relentless firepower and accepted often massive losses in men and equipment, as the price of its attempts to permanently gain ground from the AFU.
Russian milbloggers on Tuesday confirmed Ukrainian troops in the Pokrovsk sector, the epicenter of a grinding Kremlin offensive since early 2024, advanced more than a kilometer (1,100 yards) on an 8-kilometer (5-mile) wide front to break into the Russian-held village of Pishachane in the Donetsk region.
Video published by the 425th Separate Assault Regiment Skala deployed to the Pokrovsk sector, showed its infantry supported by bomber drones pushing through the village of Pishachane and winkling out Russian defenders in a professional-looking night attack. The geo-located images showed careful tactics and liberal use of grenades by Ukrainian assault troops.
The AFU lost control of Pishachane, a tactically important settlement controlling supply routes to the city of Pokrovsk on Jan. 7-9 following waves of Russian attacks, the geo-location tracking group DeepState reported on Wednesday. The AFU’s Army General Staff (AGS) made no direct comment on control of Pishachne in its daily situation update.
In Russia’s western Kursk region, where a surprise Ukrainian offensive launched in August initially carved out a sizeable chunk of Russian Federation territory centered around the town of Sudzha, combat reports said that Ukrainian units had recaptured lost defensive positions west of the Russian village of Malaya Loknya.
Drone video published by Ukraine’s Air Assault Forces on Tuesday showed dozens of infantrymen and up to five armored personnel carriers attacking positions under Russian artillery and mortar fire. Tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and combat engineer carriers were also visible. An official statement said the images showed elements of the 82nd Air Assault Brigade – a formation independently geo-located to the eastern flank of the Kursk salient – carrying out the assault.. .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 13 2025 4:36 utc | 221

Posted by: GW | Feb 13 2025 4:02 utc | 218
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That must have been quite an experience.
I have watched videos of these marches and also have photos of members of my Moscow pen pal’s extended family carrying photos before them of those who died. The dead rejoin the living on this march. Very moving.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 13 2025 4:37 utc | 222

My prayer is ‘Please God, let them all be tired of war.’
Thank you, b.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 13 2025 4:38 utc | 223

Kiyev Post enthusiasts strike again.

Posted by: boneless | Feb 13 2025 4:39 utc | 224

I neglected to write that the “teachable moment” pointed out by Blumenthal with Aaron Mate, arose out of the Senate hearing on Trump’s appt. of Tulsi Gabbard for national intelligence director when in response to Sen. Tom Cotton’s onslaught about Tulsi’s record on Syrian war, Gabbard supported Assad and revealed the actual history that had been exposed by the whistleblowers of the OPCW report, how the OPCW report had falsely accused the Assad regime of using chemical weapons in the beginning of the war. This false flag became essential propaganda for the US involvement in Syria. Aaron Mate pointed out that the hearing on Trump’s appointee was the first time the truth about Barach Obama’s Syrian dirty war had ever been spoken in any official US govt setting.

Posted by: Lavieja | Feb 13 2025 5:01 utc | 225

Above post is in reference to previous Lavieja post 202.
Sorry, this has evolved into being off-topic.

Posted by: Lavieja | Feb 13 2025 5:05 utc | 226

But as a matter of further interest, if any, Scott Ritter was, I believe, part of that Syria- OPCW whistleblowers effort, and his testimony was suppressed by Senator Joe Biden in some govt hearing (forgot which) who said Ritter didn’t have the necessary credentials to speak and he therefore imposed that Ritter shut up; there is a video.
This could be on topic of mostly Dems years of suppression of truths on international US policy, (and national) like why Russia’s smo was never unprovoked, but always had to be called so, in order to be spoken of by MSM.
I feel there will be a price to pay, but for the present, I for one am taking satisfaction from the truths that are being displayed.

Posted by: Lavieja | Feb 13 2025 5:38 utc | 227

Canada’s clapped out nazi-clappers still clapping…
Justin Trudeau
https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1889722956651143587
“Met with NATO SecGen Mark Rutte this morning. On the agenda: defending Arctic sovereignty, leading NATO’s enhanced presence in Latvia and accelerating defence spending. This alliance is more important than ever for defending our security.”
Chrystia Freeland
https://x.com/cafreeland/status/1889775222045217092
“Canada stands steadfast with Ukraine and the brave people of Ukraine who are on the front lines of the fight against tyranny. It is in the interest of all democracies to support them. Ukraine must become a full NATO member*.”
*Just what is a ‘full NATO member’ full of?
And will Canadians ever hold their political/media class accountable for this monstrous criminal enterprise?

Posted by: John Gilberts | Feb 13 2025 6:43 utc | 228

Just yesterday Zelenski claimed that Europe cannot guarantee Ukraine’s security without the US. He is right with that.
<=this logic of this statement seems lacking.. Europe had the best guarantee it could ever had in the 1990s and early 2000s Here are a few links ( https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/28/candace-owens/fact-checking-claims-nato-us-broke-agreement-again/ and another link https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-shifrinson-russia-us-nato-deal–20160530-snap-story.html). Russia was promised NATO would not advance 1″ East. Then 191 nations were parties to the Nuclear Non proliferation Agreement which was made permanent in 19915.. All that need be done to bring peace to Ukraine is to brush the dust off those two agreements. reinstate them. Europe can avoid spending all that money to build and arm armies that the Oligarchs can get the nation states they control to use to conduct more wars. Why is this so difficult for people.. .. I think it is because Israel does like it because Iran was included.. Anyway whatever it is, this is the answer I think Putin is looking for. and Trump is whistling dixie if he thinks Putin will not hold out for something like this..
Posted by: HughG | Feb 12 2025 18:13 utc | 28
Spending more on our own defense is the key to peace and stability in the future.
<=quite unnecessary and really very unwise. Europe needs to remove or ignore sanctions against Russia so it can get a cheap and reliable source of oil and gas to feed its industries and keep its people warm in winter. without access to and use of Russia’s gas and oil European industries will remain un-competitive. Israel is working on making Europe buy gas and oil from the Levantine Reserve (just off shore to Gaza) but it will be more costly than Russian oil and gas I think. Also Europe needs to subscribe to the two treaties in my paragraph just above. and be done with trying to defeat Russia. I think the really big hold out will be the British as they hate Russia and the Israelis as they expect to get rich off of Europe selling oil and gas from the LeVantine Reserve.
Posted by: exile | Feb 12 2025 19:17 utc | 64 19:37 utc | 77
a core demand of Moscow is roll back of NATO members to 1997.
thanks for the link.. <=apparently you agree (as above outline in two paragraphs). The solution that might satisfy Russia and prevent Europe from failing is to reinstate the prior treaties and agreements dating back to 1990 forward.. ? very little negotiations or attorney's fees would be involved.. Just retype the agreements. Posted by: JohnH | Feb 12 2025 19:45 utc | 80 Much as Trump might like to get rid of the whole Ukraine issue and get revenge on those who sponsored it and pilloried him—the tricky part will be to get enough of a face-saving deal to create the perception of a win… <=If Trump gets everyone to revive those three broken treaties and agreements (I talked about above in this post) Trump will not only save face, he will be a global hero, entitled to the peace prize .. Posted by: Night Tripper | Feb 12 2025 22:13 utc | 126 Trump cannot lift sanctions, he cannot remove Zelensky, he cannot provide official recognition of the integration of the new territories he cannot stop European nations from patrolling the rump state What can he offer Putin exactly? <= what is in the top two paragraphs of this post...<= If I understand Putin correctly, unless something like those prior treaties and agreements since 1990 are reinstated there will be no agreement. Posted by: MiniMO | Feb 12 2025 18:39 utc | 46 The war will never be over if Russia can't defeat the West's tools on the battlefield. <=the war wil never be over if Britain and Israel do not allow the three agreements I mentioned above.. thus far those two are batting 100% at stopping anything productive. Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 12 2025 19:02 utc | 56 <=yes , I am for rounding up all employees, officers, directors and stockholders of Apple, Blackrock, Cargill, Google, Microsoft, Monsanto for a free trip all expenses paid trip to conquer mars maybe on one of E. Musk's space ships? The world would live in peace until they return. Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 13 2025 0:21 utc | 169 I believe that Trump will use all the purported savings from the DOGE fandango to insure the tax cuts that expire this year are extended....the ones he passed in his first tenure. <= hope not.. I am against tax cuts. I want the tax rate to take on the rates and income limits in effect in 1954 to become the tax law for year ended 2025 and thereafter.. In those earlier years 50% was starting and 90% was the highest.. corporate rates were 48%.. as I recall. 1954 to 1973 (the EPA act year ended it) were the most productive years in America.

Posted by: snake | Feb 13 2025 7:23 utc | 229

b, is right: the only country that can provide a robust security guarantee for Kiev is Russia. But the European hangers-on would fight tooth and nail to stop it.

Posted by: Steve | Feb 13 2025 7:42 utc | 230

Visions of Sugar Plums dance in their heads

Trump’s Ukraine Plans Mean a $3 Trillion Bill for European Allies
Whatever the US president decides is his goal for Ukraine, one thing is clear: Europe isn’t ready to shoulder its huge share of the burden.

Donald Trump is starting to tell European Union leaders what they need to do if they want to secure peace in Ukraine. His demands are set to push the bloc to its limits.
Trump spoke with Vladimir Putin on Wednesday, setting the wheels in motion for peace talks, just as his defense secretary was explaining to his European allies that they are going to have to shoulder most of the burden for any settlement. Bloomberg Economics calculates that protecting Ukraine and expanding their own militaries could cost the continent’s major powers an additional $3.1 trillion over the next 10 years.
continues ==> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-02-12/trump-s-new-plan-to-end-the-russia-ukraine-war-might-break-europe?

Folie à deux

Posted by: too scents | Feb 13 2025 7:46 utc | 231

Fitch is predicting US budget deficits of 7.5% of GDP in 2025 and 2026. ……
The Russians and Chinese just have to wait until the flame reaches the end of the fuse, then the Us economic “strength” will be shown for what it is. Russia govt debt to GDP is 15%, with 4% GDP growth. China govt debt to GDP is 83% with 5% GDP growth.
Posted by: Roger Boyd

Hear Hear.
Apparently FY2025 federal budget negotiations start on 15.March. Watch that space. The Bond Market has already decided Treasury Debt is increasingly risky. 10 year at 4.6%. Federal Expenses need to be cut by some 30% PDQ. Otherwise – by 2027, the Federal Gov’t will be ‘insolvent” in some form or another.
Note – that Trump is deeply familiar with highly leveraged situations and ‘restructuring’ debt. Thats a big wild card. Lots of variables and a most dynamic situation unfolding in real time.
Upthread a barfly posted a choice quote from Thucydides regarding fighting wars with money. Thank you.

Posted by: exile | Feb 13 2025 8:32 utc | 232

Breaking. Ukraine has been officially cut loose. Ukro supporters are completely melting down in X.

Trump destroys Zelensky:
-Will you support Ukraine and the exchange of territories, which includes the Kursk region?
-Zelensky will have to do what he has to do. And his ratings are not very good.
– SK

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 13 2025 8:41 utc | 233

Posted by: lester | Feb 12 2025 19:26 utc | 70
I can see Zelensky cleaning the toilets at a metro bus station. Maybe picking through a trash heap in India. That would be better than he deserves.

Posted by: jopalolive | Feb 13 2025 8:52 utc | 234

according to various definetly not paid for by usaid youtube channels, russia has lost so many tanks that they now ran out of them.
this is devastating!
they dont have no missiles left, no socks for their infantry, and now no tanks!
/s
usaid only pays for the finest propaganda goebbels could buy.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Feb 13 2025 8:55 utc | 235

Many thanks b – brilliant news to wake up to. Three months ago this was unimaginable.

Posted by: The Busker | Feb 13 2025 8:58 utc | 236

Posted by: Milites | Feb 12 2025 23:27 utc | 151
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That will show another sign of corruption to the highest level which is not good in the eyes of the global majority.

Posted by: pepe | Feb 13 2025 8:58 utc | 237

So will the ICC arrest warrant for Putin be dropped if a peace is agreed?

Posted by: KingCobra | Feb 13 2025 9:26 utc | 238

The schadenfreude is delicious.
“Europe, be independent just like you always said you were ”
“Oh scheisse”

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Feb 13 2025 9:38 utc | 239

we were told by the entire Western media and political class for the past 3 years that the Ukraine war isn’t a US-NATO proxy war. So why should it matter what Trump decides? Zelensky and the Azov Nazis are sovereign right? They have full agency. The US can’t do anything to force negotiations, because they have agency. Right? Remember agency? So he can continue the war for as long as he likes, as it’s not a proxy war.
Good luck with that.
https://x.com/zei_squirrel/status/1889894491407962130

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 13 2025 9:41 utc | 240

Germany, France, Poland, Italy, Spain, the United Kingdom, the EU all want in on US-Russia talks about peace in Ukraine.
This is hypocrisy at its finest: when sending arms and soldiers they claim they are not part of the conflict; when negotiations begin they claim commitment. The statement reads like a tantrum:

We are looking forward to discussing the way ahead together with our American allies. Our shared objectives should be to put Ukraine in a position of strength. Ukraine and Europe must be part of any negotiations. Ukraine should be provided with strong security guarantees. A just and lasting peace in Ukraine is a necessary condition for a strong transatlantic security.

Baerbock

Posted by: Passerby | Feb 13 2025 9:42 utc | 241

The fact that euroupe dosent want to end the war with Russia is proof posative it was euroupe that wanted to start the war with Russia.
Fools that they are, they prefer to throw good money after bad money, with no possable tangable end reward.
Exept of couse for wasting tax payers money for the gain of a runaway miltary and the military industry share holders (read politians).

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 13 2025 10:07 utc | 242

whatever happens, i really wish for the eu to implode on its own hubris. every single nation that went along with the “russia bad” narrative should be left out, completely, and wallow in misery.
i am honestly so fucking tired and ashamed of beeing a german after every time i have to read one of this uneleckted bitchs baerbocks tantrums. she is a fucking nazi supporter, inserted into an undemocratic coalition to neuter the opposition and put in power by none of the people, and yet she dares to speak for us.
she needs to sit a the childrens table and shut up already.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Feb 13 2025 10:13 utc | 243

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 13 2025 10:07 utc | 243
At this point, around 90% of financial aid is being stolen as Ukraine is destroyed beyond hope. Everyone is stealing what they can. Yet EU will increase it to make up lack of US aid. This will accelerate bad investment, waste and collapse of EU.
https://x.com/Panchenko_X/status/1889744141879263658

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 13 2025 10:19 utc | 244

When Ukraine became independent it was richer and more free than Russia. On that basis it could have built an identity similar to Switzerland or Ireland.
Instead it chose to foster hatred between the Russian and Ukrainian culture and language. By making such diversions core of the political discussion it opened the path for oligarchs to control the country.

Posted by: Wim | Feb 13 2025 10:22 utc | 245

Heads I win, tails you lose.
The US has already achieved its objectives, which is to weaken Europe (high energy prices, devastated industry etc.) and keep Russia in check. Now, the US can discard Ukraine like a used condom.
Anyone still remember the 1990s Balkan (Yugoslav) war? Did you know that it was instigated by the US to keep the Euro currency from potentially challenging USD supremacy?

The development of the Clinton Doctrine, as well as the 1992 Defense Planning Guidance document, provided the geostrategic underpinnings for US policies in the former Yugoslavia. Contemporary US policies in Europe are rooted in the effort by the United States to maintain its influence as the dominant military power in the region, relying on the continuation and expansion of NATO to forestall any efforts by European powers or the European Union to create a separate defense organization independent of US influence. During the last year of the Bush Administration, US State Department and Treasury Department officials worried that the European move to create the Euro could have serious political and economic consequences for US interests in the region. The political consequences included the possible emergence of a defense organization outside US control. At the same time, US officials were concerned that the Euro could pose an economic threat to the international position of the dollar, a possibility that led the Treasury Department to warn against the establishment of new EC institutions that would bypass the traditional relationship between the US government and the finance ministers of the larger EC states. At the centerpiece of such concern is the importance of US and European trade, which totals about $1 trillion a year, and US direct investment in Western Europe, which accounts for about 40% of all US foreign investment and provides more than three-million US-based jobs (Nelson 1993, pp. 81–84).

– from “US Imperialism and the Disintegration of Yugoslavia”, Ronald W. Cox, Department of Politics and International Relations, Florida International University, Miami, FL, USA https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-319-91206-6_52-1
Gotta defend US jobs at all costs. Americans are just poor, pitiful wage laborers. So what if we started a war to protect hardworking Americans? It’s all justified.
The foundation of the Euro currency was originally predicated on the participating governments’ deficits staying under the threshold of 3% of GDP (Maastricht Treaty). Break that threshold and you undermine faith in the Euro. How can you make a government exceed that threshold? War. The entirety of the NATO army in Europe is way more than enough to fight the tiny Balkan war, but the cost of fighting the Balkan war was severely elevated because NATO’s commanding authority lies with the US and the US insists on shifting US troops all the way from America to fight a war on European soil (80% of NATO troops were flown across the Atlantic from the US). The costs, of course, were borne by all NATO members. This point was made by Wen Tiejun (https://v.douyin.com/iPfqMp3q/ it’s in Chinese).
The series of color revolutions and wars started in the Middle East by the US to drive refugees to the shores of Europe was also another pre-emptive action to keep the Euro from challenging USD primacy by driving up the administrative costs of European governments. From a broad perspective, all the unrest was a result of strategic rivalry between Euro adherents and USD adherents. This is the inherently fascist nature of financial capitalism.
Most MAGA barflies harbor a strong anti-immigration sentiment, but they do not have such a strong hatred for the United States of America itself. At best, they shrug and say, “Well, it’s realpolitik, US has to maintain dominance y’know, what can you do? Too bad, so sad, for the victims of war.”
The immigrants are depressing wages, but your anger should not be aimed at them, but at the US for creating these refugees.
Here are some lyrics from a 20-year old song (2002) song, Fortress Europe from Asian Dub Foundation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qeb5qYViQn0

2022, a new European order
Robot guards patrolling the border
Cybernetic dogs are getting closer and closer
Armored cars and immigration officers
A burning village in Kosovo
You bombed it out, now you’re telling us go home

Machine guns strut on the cliffs of Dover
Heads down, people look out, we’re going over
Burnin’ up, can we survive re-entry
Past the mines and the cybernetic sentries
Safe European homes built on wars
You don’t like the effect, don’t produce the cause

The chip is in your head, not on my shoulder
Total control just around the corner
Open up the floodgates, time’s nearly up
Keep banging on the wall of Fortress Europe

2022, coincidentally, was when the Russians were forced to initiate their SMO to beat back the Americans. Yes, the Americans. Not the Ukrainians. The Americans.
As the Ansar Allah and Iranians put it so succinctly: al-mawt li-ʾAmrīkā, Marg bar Âmrikâ

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Feb 13 2025 10:29 utc | 246

The hypocritical losers are confused and suddenly supporting peace. They are completely left out and are only trying to guess what is happening.

🇫🇲 “A Successful Conversation”: The West Backpedals After Trump-Putin Call
NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte admitted that the phone conversation between the U.S. and Russian leaders “creates the impression” that negotiations on the Ukraine conflict may be starting.
📝 “It was a successful conversation. We must never, never let this happen again. So I am absolutely for peace. I support peace talks. Absolutely.”
Interestingly, before the Putin-Trump call, Rutte had been pushing a different message: “The front is moving in the wrong direction,” “We’re increasing aid to Ukraine,” “More weapons,” and “Putin will lose.”
– Ostashko
https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1889972763265216639

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 13 2025 10:31 utc | 247

I’m in agreement with all here right now.
Europe is stupid right now they should be competing for Russias freandship, out bidding america. Think about it, a close Russia and europe would be an antidote to americas attempt at total world domination.
Always get on with ya nabours they make better freands than enemys.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 13 2025 10:34 utc | 248

When Ukraine became independent it was richer and more free than Russia. On that basis it could have built an identity similar to Switzerland or Ireland.
Posted by: Wim | Feb 13 2025 10:22 utc | 246
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When Ukr became “independent”, it was being raped by the Oligarchs – Just like Russia.
At that time, Ukr was recognised as “the most corrupt country in Europe”.
Ukr has been used by USA/NATO/EU as a proxy in their fight against Russia.
Ukr has been sacrificed by those who pretended to be its friends.
Today – Ukr is stuffed by USA and its “friends”.
It is a day to celebrate.
Drinks all round !!

Posted by: Engineer-John | Feb 13 2025 10:51 utc | 249

Kaja Kallas (EU foreign secretary) says EU will continue supporting Ukraine to continue the war.
That means EU will need to give MUCH more money than before not only to keep Ukro regime and state from collapsing, pay their pensions, salaries, services, and bribes (also pay for now missing US contribution).

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 13 2025 10:51 utc | 250

@251.
In addition EU will need to buy a lot more weapons from US firms.
My view is the EU will not be able to sustain this. It’s like a teenage nerd trying to bench press 250 lbs. He will get crushed under the bar.
To be honest, I think Trump’s plan was to collapse EU and they will succeed. You must understand EU was originally a CIA created project, meant to consolidate power and be easier for US to control whole Europe. Suddenly the thing is without purpose with them not telling what to do, EU having identity crisis and doesn’t know how to survive without its original purpose. Same goes to Nato.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 13 2025 10:54 utc | 251

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 13 2025 10:51 utc | 251
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Especially the bribes.
The corruption has not been magicked away

Posted by: Engineer-John | Feb 13 2025 10:55 utc | 252

Finally a View consistent with MOA:
Glenn Diesen
@Glenn_Diesen
US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth says Ukraine will not be part of NATO and will not get its pre-2014 territories back
* This was obvious three years ago, yet hundreds of thousands of men were sent to their deaths. Our governments, media and “NGOs” pushed ridiculous narratives of “Ukraine is winning”, “Ukraine is losing fewer troops than Russia” and other obvious lies to sell a long war to the public and maintain the war enthusiasm, while shutting down free speech by smearing, censoring and cancelling anyone who challenged their war narratives with facts.
* Ukraine could have had its pre-Feb 2022 territory back in return for neutrality, yet the US/UK sabotaged the Istanbul agreement for a long war to use Ukrainians to bleed Russia -and the media refused to report on it. Our governments then refused any diplomacy for three years as they watched all these young men die. The warmongers sold it as moral, principled, and “supporting” Ukraine.
* Ukraine is now destroyed, Russia is organising its economy toward China and the east, Europe is destined for economic decline, political instability and growing irrelevance in the world. Nobody will be held accountable and their absurd narratives will contine to be immune to facts
https://x.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/1889907731353534856

Posted by: Menz | Feb 13 2025 11:02 utc | 253

and not to forget the fact that any peace that comes would have the eu need to pay back russias “frozen” assets, 300b with benefits and all that. i doubt the eu actually has any sound money left after they had to dump so much into the democratic defense of the most democratic nation in europe, ukraine.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Feb 13 2025 11:07 utc | 254

Posted by: Justpassinby | Feb 13 2025 11:07 utc | 255
I think we will see Euro collapse to the doldrums in a matter of few years, and with that, dissolution and dismantling of EU. There is literally no benefit for keeping it alive for anyone else except the globalist elite who are bribed or blackmailed to support it. They have no more money to distribute to southern countries. When money runs out, benefits run out, it’s just easier to go back to their own designs.
Ukraine is merely an accelerator, on top of suicidal economic and social policies.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 13 2025 11:14 utc | 255

@Menz | Feb 13 2025 11:02 utc | 254
Yes. And because of expressing such obvious facts, Professor Glenn Diesen is being harassed in this beacon of democracy and is in the process of acquiring another passport.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 13 2025 11:16 utc | 256

Don’t forget that the EU has a strong card to play against the gringos. Russia is winning, America lost another humiliating war. Putin will be happy to hear from what the Germans, the Danish (excl Greenland) and the vikings Norwegian have to say about the terrorist attack on NS1 and NS2. The Zionists won’t be happy either that is why they need a new distraction in the ME and resuming the Genocide in occupied hystorical Palestine. Interesting times, eh!

Posted by: pepe | Feb 13 2025 11:19 utc | 257

@unimperator | Feb 13 2025 11:14 utc | 256

I think we will see Euro collapse to the doldrums in a matter of few years, and with that, dissolution and dismantling of EU.

This needs to happen yesterday. Von Der Lying and many other unelected criminals in the EU mafia system must be tried before a court.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 13 2025 11:20 utc | 258

Who will kill Hellenskiy first ? The oligarchs ? The military ? The intel ? CIA ? Place your bets ladies & gentlemans !

Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Feb 13 2025 11:34 utc | 259

This needs to happen yesterday. Von Der Lying and many other unelected criminals in the EU mafia system must be tried before a court.
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 13 2025 11:20 utc | 259

‘Sentence first—verdict afterwards.’

Posted by: too scents | Feb 13 2025 11:37 utc | 260

How you think that the US and its vassals will be stronger next time escapes me.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 12 2025 20:11 utc | 87
Some posters have suggested Minsk 3. I would suggest time out 3, as in the American football time out. Minsk Agreement is more accurately described as the Minsk Time Out.
For those in the ROTW unfamiliar with the concept: A teams coach, nearing the end of a physical competition with minutes or seconds of play time left, needs to analyze the other team, plan a strategy to change the outcome, they need a minute to think and communicate with the team on the field. So they call a ‘time out’. As a metaphor this could be a matter of months or years. The Superb owl just culminated, so this meta structure of thought pattern saturates American thought. Undoubtedly Trump thinks he is the coach of the US, and winnin iz hiz thang.
Multiple tech disruptions on the horizon.
Musk is the poster boy for the Trump administration. Obviously that is where the PTB see the coming US strength. Drones would be a subset of capabilities.
The dweebs Altgirl (sister Raper) AI BIG meeting with Trump, over shadowed by Deepseek. Whoopsies. The weather forecast was sunny and clear, but then a windy thunderstorm blows in from across the Pacific.
If the bureaucracy can be drastically scaled down from it’s untracked leviathan appetites, some time can be bought to delay the Great Suppression.
The ephemeral cyber realm as a battleground of artificial dreams has become murky. The DIsnEy DEI fantasy has evaporated as a lesbian wet dream upon awakening. Only an over pampered nation state could ever comatose hallucinate a globo homo global acceptance of cross dressing gay Lords. Not that there is anything wrong with that??
Good thing we have the Catholic Heir Archy to protect us, god willing.
The bulk of humanity wants to keep living and procreating, so that primary evolutionary impulse always wins out. It’s weird anyone would ever think otherwise. It indicates the perverse sexual proclivities of the ‘rue-lers’, Gates, epSchwein, muhCrony, NuTin-yaBoo, tiny head zelenSkeet… all they want is to be loved, given and be thought of as fabulous. For them to be loving, giving and actually fabulous never crosses the empty spaces where their hearts theoretically would exist. Most other is just Goy. Hence the self imposed curse.
As Mick Jagger emphatically, knowingly stated in an MTV spot “MORE, is Never Enough!”.
The Russophiles (correctly) talk about US micamatt influence on US cyber entities, but desperately pretend that Russia and China do not do so with regard to the US. Lame lies. The suggestion is an indicator of a bought thought, whether RT, ZH.
That the major powers in the world have restrictions on exterior cyber influence says all one needs to know on the subject. It matters. Quite a bit. A gauge of how much power that country has is it’s ability to restrict outside influence.
Color revolutionize or be color revolutionized.
The US WILL have unused back doors (Stuxnet), the question for continued, or ascendant, hegemony is how far have the Chinese progressed?
Russia has questions about both the US and China capabilities.
It looks like Russia needs a time out as well. It’s existence is on the line, so yeah, they need to survey the horizon for clouds and danger. They have taken the brunt of NATOs attention the last few years, and if NATO wants to focus it elsewhere, why not make it easy for them to focus it elsewhere?
The inclusion of mideast policy in the peace process hints at why the UKrain war was instigated in the first place, as punishment for saving Assad Syria. That reason is gone, the war ends sooner.
Resource war was/is/will always be there. The potential to inflame an area, anywhere, is always there as it is part of animal human nature to be contentious and avaricious. So what causes an area to be triggered, or set aflame in a conflagration?
One can never underestimate the hold of the jEUwIS Crusade of the 20-21st century.
Centuries from now, telescoping back, it will be seen as the bain motivator of this Golden Age. The UKrain war will be a footnote.

Posted by: jopalolive | Feb 13 2025 11:37 utc | 261

Norwegian | Feb 13 2025 11:16 utc | 257
Diesen …harassed …acquiring another passport.
British blogger Richard Medhurst was arrested in Austria this week
Where does Diesen imagine he can escape?
Maybe Thailand with Berletic.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/richard-medhurst-leading-gaza-reporter-arrested-and-charged-with-terrorism-in-european-crackdown/289061/

Posted by: Melaleuca | Feb 13 2025 11:49 utc | 262

Biden &co jumped out of Afganistan catching everyone by surprise…
Biden then deliberatly provoked the start of the Ukraine war…
Is this what we see trump doing now. Clearing the decks for major action in Middle East or maybe Iran.
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 12 2025 20:57 utc | 102
Clearing the decks is an apt metaphor.

Posted by: jopalolive | Feb 13 2025 11:55 utc | 263

This is of course as long predicted by some of us the surrender agreement.
As this century’s failure to take the RF by a proxy army of canon fodder, using Nazi indoctrination over generations, to generate the mass psychosis of Russophobia – for the same Old ZioFascist Global Robber Barons.
As those sons and daughters, let’s not forget the ladies, of bitches now try and put some clear blue water between themselves and the frontline nations they have yet again used in the perennial attempts that always fail – because of the enduring resolve of the Russian Proples. This time not losing tens of millions and not being dragged into a roaring invasion to the gates of European cities – where all the booby traps and ambushes were laid to entrap and murder them along the way.
Hopefully the foot soldiers who are not totally zombie natzified will be waltching and listening to the developments and hoping they will live long enough to not be minced.
Many may want to just simply surrender and not die in now futile further battles.
Many might just drop their weapons and start walking home through the cold and mud.
Some might actually start fragging their naztzio crazed commanders and enforcers to achieve the end of their suicidal defences.
But hopefully most can get back to their homes and families and ‘deal’ with those who sent them into this madness for their foreign and local ziofascist Masters and Owners.
There will be a lot of scores to settle – especially the front line ‘locals’ who did the forced enrolling of civilians snatched from the streets – they will be the scapegoats hanging from the lampposts.
But Drumpff and the US and the AngloEuropean Aristo classes and their supranational Global Robber Baron Masters – really shouldn’t be allowed to get away with murder again and blood soaked loot – even if they failed in their grand prize. As they are now trying to walk away leaving the eurocrazies holding the defeat.
Nah – no free get out of jail card for them.
Not even for the Drumpffy Baby who has been let in to facilitate that Great Escape with his Minder appointed by the Ziofascist Global Robber Barons – the Wacky Baccy ‘all American (NOT) super hero’ stinky musk!
Unh unh unh, no no no no no …
The goal was demilitarisation and denazification.
The compromise ‘negotiation’ should be demilitarisation and the Collective Waste can take and keep the Nazification – again, as we did at the end of WW2 when many were shipped to Canada and other colonial outposts. To be bred again… like plague rats.
China and Russia should insist not just on that demilitarised Europe and Natzo.
But the whole of West Asia and the decolonisation of the Levant by the illegal apartheid entity they created and enabled its daily existence ever since.
That also means the shutting down and removal of ‘US‘ actually CW miltary bases they occupied Europe and Japan with in WW2 and since all around the world – especially Africa and SE Asia. They sprouted at the behest of the interests of the Global Robber Barons.
They can go and look after their own boarders in the North Atlantic and Pacific coast of the USA. Pretend they are defending themselves from attack by the Chinese and Russians. 🤡
Invade Geeenland and Canada and build the bases there instead.
If DJT tries to start expanding into the Levant this weekend, as the usual consolation prize for the Ziofascist Global Robber Barons – There should be NO DEAL.
It should be full on war that has already demonstrated a few super weapons in recent days – technological and economic as well as the miltary resolve in the Ukraine folly – starting with the fast destruction of what’s left of the superior Collective Waster high tech industries and the financial rentierism model we falsely inhabit.
And I want my cheap energy back again, pronto.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Feb 13 2025 12:00 utc | 264

“Why did it take so long for realism to come to the fore?”
Because time is money, lots of money. It’s all a scam, and I will be very surprised if this changes with Trump.

Posted by: Neven | Feb 13 2025 12:02 utc | 265

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/12/politics/video/john-bolton-trump-putin-ukraine-russia-negotiations-digvid
Our first neo-con ‘splodey head! Bolton shits himself on CNN over a phone call.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 13 2025 12:13 utc | 267

“If Russia are scared of NATO now. How are the going to feel when all the Countries ramp up to what Trump wants. NATO will be a hell of a lot stronger.”
Not a single EU country can afford to spend 5% of its GDP on defense. Not to mention to that the existential threat of Russia has been “real” for 3 years and they’ve done nothing to actually strengthen their defense except sign contracts and pump stock prices with those contracts.

Posted by: Lex | Feb 13 2025 12:14 utc | 268

The Guardian still hasn’t got an opinion piece on what’s happened. They’re stunned.
Just to cheer up Germany, an Afghan piled a car into a strike picket line in Munich, 20-odd injured so far.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Feb 13 2025 12:23 utc | 269

Resource war was/is/will always be there. The potential to inflame an area, anywhere, is always there as it is part of animal human nature to be contentious and avaricious. So what causes an area to be triggered, or set aflame in a conflagration?

I love barflies who outline their positions so clearly. For a moment there, I thought I was reading the words of certain clueless advocate of Malthusian competition.
In ancient times and in certain parts of the world, there was fierce competition for land between nomadic herders and farmers. For the nomadic herders, farmers were a burden as they take up precious grazing lands that could be used to feed vast herds of horses. Horses serve as steeds, and horses offer milk and meat. The farmers, in contrast, grow strange crops that are of no use to the nomadic herders. Eradication of farmers was a rational, economical choice, at least from the point of view of the nomadic herders.
“Useless eaters”, I believe, was the term that spiritual descendants of nomadic herders in modern times would call people who share the plight of the ancient farmers. Consuming precious resources while offering nothing profitable in return is indeed the very definition of useless. Useless. Useless. Useless. The worth of a human being is based on their utility.
Justify your existence, dear barfly.
What, your only purpose is to write semi-intellectual defenses of capitalism? Off to the musky Musk chamber with you!
What, your only purpose is to perform hard labor that can be easily be undertaken by robots? Off to the musky Musk chamber with you!

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Feb 13 2025 12:24 utc | 270

There seems to be a plane crash every week or few days. This aspect of Trump’s America is getting scary.
Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 13 2025 2:52 utc | 200
Someone might tragically die in a plane crash huh?

Posted by: jopalolive | Feb 13 2025 12:38 utc | 271

@unimperator | Feb 13 2025 11:14 utc | 256
I think we will see Euro collapse to the doldrums in a matter of few years, and with that, dissolution and dismantling of EU.
This needs to happen yesterday. Von Der Lying and many other unelected criminals in the EU mafia system must be tried before a court.
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 13 2025 11:20 utc | 259
The EU was always a fucked idea. And I thought so *at the time*. I foresaw all the shit that has happened since. Being born into the 1950s EEC/ECM, I instinctively knew that a merging of national interests based primarily on money and trade would end in destructive rivalries and disintegration … one day.

Posted by: Gerhardt G. | Feb 13 2025 12:42 utc | 272

@Melaleuca | Feb 13 2025 11:49 utc | 263

Where does Diesen imagine he can escape?

The Russian Federation?

Posted by: cirsium | Feb 13 2025 12:56 utc | 273

Jopalolive @ 264
Thanks for the mench.
Thers good news and thers bad news.
Yes its good if this Putin trump talk is the begining of the end of the ukraine war.
But if it comes at the cost of esculated mass wholesale extermination of inocent Palistinians in Palistine then thats obveously ‘a bad thing’
We may well see very soon.
Best to view things in the whole.
I’m not opening champagne yet. In fact i fear for those inocent palistinians right now.
Cheers.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 13 2025 13:20 utc | 274

“Why did it take so long for realism to come to the fore?”
Posted by b on February 12, 2025 at 17:18 UTC | Permalink
Greed, arrogance, incompetence, entitlement along with a dash of retardation.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 13 2025 13:26 utc | 275

The EU meltdown is off the charts. Have never seen anything like this.
The identity crisis of ‘Murica not telling what to do and giving free handouts is great and unbearable for them.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 13 2025 13:31 utc | 276

NEWSFLASH:
Just in …
Sir Kier Starmer was asked when leaving the dinner in Brussels when does Hegseths plans begin ?
Starmer replied 2 years ago. All NATO countries started his plan back then.
On every main TV channel in the UK. Twice daily and twice nightly we have been advertising for recruits for the Royal narines, Royal Navy and our Royal air force. To build up our forces to try again.
We have been expanding our infrastructure and supply chains in the Baltic states, all across Scandinavia into Finland and tripling the size of our bases in Eastern Europe. Preparing our systems for when we have Supersonic missiles.
Starmer continued, it is not a question of when do we start. We have already stsrted. The main question is when are we ready to try again.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 13 2025 13:55 utc | 277

There is absolutely no chance in hell. Russia accepts Hegseths plans.
Nil, Nada, Nil pua, N’yet
A Willy Wonka fudge factory in Ukraine.
If they do they have been mugged off AGAIN.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 13 2025 14:02 utc | 278

TASS headline today, “[Orban sees] EU as undeserving of role in Ukraine settlement talks.
I fixed it.

Posted by: elmagnostic | Feb 13 2025 14:06 utc | 279

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 13 2025 14:02 utc | 279
That ‘peace plan’ isn’t meant as real, it’s meant to be rejected by EU/UK and Zelensky (Which they have done, as planned), allowing Trump to pull out funding and dump it on EU/UK. All this happened.
Ultimately it’s the part of US establishment backing Trump deciding to reduce US hegemony to a more manageable state, the easiest and most costliest places to reduce is Ukraine and EU.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 13 2025 14:12 utc | 280

Appreciate the perspectives from Roger Boyd and frithguild.

Posted by: Linda | Feb 13 2025 14:15 utc | 281

Expect lots of “public perseption manigment”
High speed car ploughs into crowd today in germany. “An Afgan imigrant known to the police is responsable”
The same will happen in the uk anytime now,
arrainged by MI5.
All ready the reform farage party are fully primed for violence like fighting dogs.
Conscription will be next.
Good luck with that your going to need it.
Brainless grunts ready to jump into a muddy trench in ukraine poor sobs.
——————————
Monitoring bbc radio 4 news.
Anne Applebalm says europe will form a coalition of the willing to fight Russia, outside of NATO.
She wasent pulled up on the enormaty of that statment.
Is Europe now directly at war with Russia ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 13 2025 14:20 utc | 282

Not a single EU country can afford to spend 5% of its GDP on defense. Not to mention to that the existential threat of Russia has been “real” for 3 years and they’ve done nothing to actually strengthen their defense except sign contracts and pump stock prices with those contracts.
Posted by: Lex | Feb 13 2025 12:14 utc | 269
Please allow me to walk you back to a US state Lex.
A US state is a currency user and doesn’t issue the $. A US state taxes to get some funds.
So all of the Euro using countries are in the same position as a US state.
A very similar set up to the ole gold standard, fixed exchange rate regime.
You understand that yes ?
Now the federal government can simply keystroke $’s into the reserve accounts of any US state of its chosing. Like it did with hurricanes and the recent forest fires.
Yes ? You understand that ?
So can the ECB. The ECB can NEVER run out of euros. The ECB can create and issue 60 quadrillion euros right across the Eurozone anytime it feels like it.
You understand that ?
If they wanted to fudge the rules they can fudge the rules anyway they see fit. For war, the ECB will find a way to fund the whole project by itself leaving the EU member states off the hook.
You understand that yes ?
Tom Lugano and the Duran boys did an episode a while back looking through their gold standard, fixed exchange rate lens. How the ECB could do that.
There’s absolutely nothing stopping the ECB to fund the whole thing and leave countries off the hook.
They simply spend it and collect the tax and then destroy the tax once it has been collected. Leaving EU countries to do their own thing.
If you give somebody €100, they spend it which is taxed at 20%, leaving the next person with €80 as income. They then spend that €80 which is taxed at 20%, leaving the next person with €64 as income. And so on until the entire €100 disappears and creates €100 of extra tax. All without changing the tax rate one single percent
The result is lots of extra sales and income for people down the spending chain they wouldn’t otherwise have received. It’s a straightforward geometric progression.
Eventually €100 has been put into the economy and €100 has been taken out of the economy and then shredded.
You understand that yes ?
Your spending is someone else’s income which is taxed and vice versa.
Why taxes match spending every time
Here:
https://new-wayland.com/blog/why-tax-matches-spending/
” Eventually ”
NEVER look at the ECB using a gold standard and fixed exchange rate lens lex. You will only fool yourself.
Just because they don’t break the rules to help people. Don’t think for one minute they won’t break the rules for war!
If they want to do it this way. They will find a way and nobody will even know about it. They could even do it “off” balance sheet and hide it.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 13 2025 14:30 utc | 283

Hiro Masamune@260…..he’s untouchable now, has always been a loyal member of the Guild….so the bet; will he live long and prosper. I’ll take that bet, yes!
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 13 2025 14:32 utc | 284

@243
“The fact that euroupe dosent want to end the war with Russia is proof posative it was euroupe that wanted to start the war with Russia.
Fools that they are, they prefer to throw good money after bad money, with no possable tangable end reward.”
The eurocrats need to distract their people. From what? Failing economies? Migrant invasion? Something else? What ever it is the leadership sure isn’t going to take responsibility for it, it’s all Putin’s fault!

Posted by: Fred777 | Feb 13 2025 14:39 utc | 285

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Feb 13 2025 12:24 utc | 271
Thanks for the children’s book history lesson.
The main point of the paragraft you copied is that people can be manipulated into war. UKrain being a prime example. Being thousands of miles away, what I see is not useless people. On the contrary, I see senseless death. All those countless soldiers and each had their own life, family, awareness – gone. The ultimate tragedy. This war should have never been, but somehow it burns. From the gunpowder hotly expanding in the barrel, to fiery explosions, the fire that drives the engines of mechanical beasts, to the heat of hate in the heart of man.
As others have opined Russian antipathy was promulgated. How did that happen? is key to stopping it from happening again.
Some above Hell is the underlying sentiment of your MOA handle, whether you are aware of it or not, along with the assumption that ALL is separate from heaven and ALL being under then spatially unobtainable, and heaven in that artificial word logic would not be any part of All – an incorrect use of the word All.
All above Hell would be best as a corrective for your state.

Posted by: jopalolive | Feb 13 2025 14:43 utc | 286

Europe will sit in the corner and wait until the adults are finished and tell themnwhat is required of them.
What Europe and a lot of people on this board don’t seem to understand is that Trump and the average MAGA voter have much more respect and affection for Putin than any Eurofag leader. I know Putin’s alleged territorial ambitions are greatly exaggerated, but if they were real, MAGA wouldn’t care if Russian tanks rolled all the way to the Channel and beyond. To paraphrase Bismark, the entirety of Europe is not worth the bones of a single infantryman from Arkansas. And let’s be honest, most of Europe would be better off with Putin as boss than their own leaders. Hell, Putin would probably be wax rhe floor with Kier Starmer if a snap election was held tomorrow Putin and his party verses Starmer.
I know the threat of the old Soviet Union was exaggerated but at least the idea of what the Soviets stood for was legitimately scary and bad. Now? What’s the purpose of NATO? Who is the enemy? Frankly Europe and its insane globalist limp wristed nanny state authoritarians are more antagonistic towards MAGA and it’s version of America than Putin.
Vlad, if you want these fools, you can have them. We won’t lift a finger.

Posted by: CullenBaker | Feb 13 2025 14:44 utc | 287

Most wars, in retrospect, were unnecessary.

Posted by: Janet | Feb 13 2025 14:48 utc | 288

Zelensky refused to sign a ‘final deal’ with US finance secretary Bessent, regarding Ukrainian rare minerals.
https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1890037894997565900

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 13 2025 14:50 utc | 289

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 13 2025 13:20 utc | 275
I think the same Mark, that the US withdrawal from UKrain might bring an expansion of the 80 ODD years of Palestinian suffering.

Posted by: jopalolive | Feb 13 2025 14:54 utc | 290

Problem: Ukraine is flirting with demographic extinction. Solution: bring in Africans and Afghans.
https://focus.ua/uk/eksklyuzivy/671155-strategiya-demografichnogo-rozvitku-yak-pokrashchiti-narodzhuvanist
Imagine all that blood shed by Neo Nazis in their nationalistic fanaticism. I think they’re going to be rather unhappy.

Posted by: Eighthman | Feb 13 2025 14:58 utc | 291

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 13 2025 14:20 utc | 283
It would be really amusing. The supposed coalition of the willing would last days, if not hours against RF in a direct conflict without the umbrella of article 5.

Posted by: Mario | Feb 13 2025 15:01 utc | 292

And will Canadians ever hold their political/media class accountable for this monstrous criminal enterprise?
Posted by: John Gilberts | Feb 13 2025 6:43 utc | 229
We Canadians tend to protest our government by posting witty memes and angry emoticons on FB. It’s either too hot or too cold to protest on the street any more and there is no place to sit and no snacks so FB likes it is.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Feb 13 2025 15:03 utc | 293

Janet @ 289
Yes indeed.
It reminds me of the book ‘catch 22’
A study into the insanity of war.
Or may be ‘mash’
The senceless banlity of it all.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 13 2025 15:05 utc | 294

So will the ICC arrest warrant for Putin be dropped if a peace is agreed?
Posted by: KingCobra | Feb 13 2025 9:26 utc | 239
What’s the point … it’s not like Putin wants to travel to any country that wants to arrest him.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Feb 13 2025 15:05 utc | 295

“Most wars, in retrospect, were unnecessary.”
@Janet | Feb 13 2025 14:48 utc | 289
For Great Britain those wars made the British elites save the angloamerican dominance from the threat of a multipolar order.
Germany was prevented from creating infrastructure on the continent as originally planned. Russia was prevented from rising further as an economic rival.
Russia and Germany were played agains each other.
Britains Mackinder idea scored bigtime.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 13 2025 15:10 utc | 296

Interesting how all the USAID refugees are exhausting themselves now moving the goal posts. If Russia does not : laudry list a city of drycleaners could not handle, Russia lost.

Posted by: steve | Feb 13 2025 15:15 utc | 297

What’s the point … it’s not like Putin wants to travel to any country that wants to arrest him.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Feb 13 2025 15:05 utc | 296
Poor excuse I’m afraid
ICC arrest warants must be dropped
Sanctions must end
ALL new territories must be recognised as Russian by the UN
Zelensky must be removed
If any of the above are not on the table, then the war must go on, to Kiev most likely.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Feb 13 2025 15:17 utc | 298

It is clear, Putin has betrayed all these dead soldiers.
Russia is scared of NATO, scared of Trump.
Posted by: Lenox | Feb 12 2025 21:58 utc | 122
Of course he’s scared of NATO. It’s a nuclear armed military coalition whose unwritten objective is the destruction of the Russian state. If you’ve ever been in a fight you’d understand that fear is an excellent motivator to fight like your life depended on it. What’s really foolish is NATO not being afraid of Putin … they are threatening to blockade Russian oil terminals in the Baltic and seize Russian shipping … that’s basically a declaration of war against a power that could destroy them in an afternoon.
It’s a grave mistake to credit Russian military restraint against NATO to NATO’s power instead of Russia’s desire to avoid a wider war. NATO is bigger than Russia militarily which makes the situation even more dangerous because it’s to Russia’s advantage to attack quickly and violently. Lesson number 2 from street fighting is finish what you started. If Russia attacks NATO it won’t be with aircraft and artillery … it’ll be sudden, massive and violent.
As far as Trump is concerned Putin could kick his ass six ways to Sunday.
The “fear” Putin feels for Trump is his ignorance of world affairs and his predilection for taking bad advice. He believed Russia was taking more casualties than the Ukrainians and that the BRICS were planning to replace the USD with their own currency for fuck sake. You can’t make good decisions without good intelligence.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Feb 13 2025 15:30 utc | 299

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Feb 13 2025 10:29 utc | 247
CHEERS!

Posted by: Linda | Feb 13 2025 15:34 utc | 300