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February 28, 2025
The Guessing Game Over Trump’s Real Aims In Ukraine

The guessing game about President Donald Trump's real position on peace in Ukraine continues.

Some commentators, including yours truly, think that Trump has blown it by becoming too committed to Ukraine. Others believe that Trump is deceiving the public while working on peace in the backroom. 

The last two blog post were part of the guessing game:

To recap the first piece:

Neither approach one might think Trump is taking – to use a Ukraine resource deal to keep the U.S. in Ukraine and the war going, or to use the Ukraine resource deal to finally break with Ukraine – is consistent with a realistic assessment of the facts on the ground. At least not if the aim of the game is to make peace.

The conclusion for me is that there is no Trump plan at all to make peace in Ukraine.

and the second:

By pressing for the agreement, instead of taking the Russian offer for access to minerals, Trump has committed himself to continue the war in Ukraine.

It will lead to the failure of his peace initiative.

The war Ukraine is now destined to become Trump's Vietnam.

Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism is supportive of my last take. Citing a recent talk between Judge Napolitano and Col. Douglas MacGregor she writes:

This segment confirms what yours truly had warned about, yet quite a few members of the commentariat seem unwilling to accept: that the Ukraine minerals deal, if consummated, will commit the US to involvement in and therefore support of Ukraine.

Put it another way, there’s no value to this arrangement, and high embarrassment to Trump, if peace negotiations fail (perhaps more accurately, fail even to get started).

During that segment Napolitano presented a quote from Trump:

Trump: President Zelensky’s coming to sign the deal, and it’s a great thing. It’s a great deal for Ukraine too because get us over there, we’re going to be working over there, we’ll be on the land, and that way, it’s sort of automatic security, because nobody is going to be messing around with our people while when we’re there. And so we’ll be there in that way. But Europe will be watching it very closely. I know that UK has said and France has said that they want to put, they volunteered to put so-called peacekeepers on the ground. And I think that’s a good thing.

Napolitano as well as Macgregor dislike Trump's position:

Napolitano: You know, we both respect him and applaud his willingness to talk with the Russians. But statements like that betray either gross ignorance or very very bad intel. Your thoughts, Colonel..

Macgregor: No, I think that’s a polite way to put it. To be frank, President Trump needs to get out of this notion of putting anybody in Ukraine who’s not Ukrainian. And stay away from it. I heard this and I was genuinely disappointed, because there’s been a gross misinterpretation. …

Others, however, reject the pessimistic interpretation.

Gilbert Doctorow comments on the Trump press conference with the British Premier Starmer:

Even some of the most astute and worldly-wise commentators on Trump in alternative media underappreciate him and persist in seeing him as a buffoon whose inconsistencies and contradictions in his public statements from one day to another are convincing proof that he cannot see an initiative through to successful conclusion. This is precisely what I saw and heard earlier today when listening to the ‘Judging Freedom’ interview with Colonel Larry Wilkerson, whom I otherwise greatly respect for his observations on U.S. relations with Israel or on the battlefield situation in the Russia-Ukraine war.

No, this fellow Trump is a master at deception. Today’s press conference with Keith Starmer was proof positive that the vague, nonspecific notion of America back-stopping the European peace keepers in Ukraine is, strictly speaking, a tactic to shut up the Europeans while Washington puts together a mutually acceptable end-game solution with Moscow that it imposes on Ukraine and Europe at the appropriate moment.

Wilkerson's remarks (@4min) as referred to by Doctorow:

Napolitano: Does [Trump] not understand Vladimir Putin's mentality?

Wilkerson: Apparently not. These are very unwise remarks as a matter of fact because he's compromising his own ability to to negotiate a decent deal. It's just nonsense and it's increasing nonsense if he keeps talking that way. That's my problem with Donald Trump: he solves a problem at least preliminarily and then he moves on and screws the problem he solved himself with his mouth. I don't know how you do diplomacy that way.

Prof. John Mearsheimer does not believe that (@14min):

I think when you look at the administration and you look at what is going on in the foreign policy realm you have to distinguish between what is happening behind closed doors, the actual decision-making process, and what is happening out in public.

Let us start with regard to what is happening behind closed doors:

Donald Trump and everybody at the top of his administration knows full well what the Russian demands are and the fact that Trump has said and others have said that a deal can be worked out means that we know what those demands are and we're going to meet those demands period end of story. And this includes this crazy idea of peacekeepers and security guarantees and so forth and so on. Putin has made it unequivocally clear that that is unacceptable and Trump has de facto accepted that now. That's the private discourse that takes place behind closed doors.

Then there's the public debate and the public debate is sort of a wild and crazy one in large part because Trump is free to say whatever he wants and because he likes to pontificate on a daily basis and he doesn't pay much attention to facts and he's not very careful with his language. We end up in all these debates about what he really means and is he contradicting himself and so forth and so on.

I've got to the point where I just don't pay that much attention to what he says in public. The question is what are they saying in private and I believe in private they know what has to be said. They have already said it at least once to the Russians and now the details have to be worked out.

I hope that Doctorow and Mearsheimer are more correct than Yves Smith, myself, Macgregor and Wilkerson. That the public play we see and hear is just a facade for a serious policy behind it.

I fear however, like Wilkerson does, that too much public talk, even if not meant seriously, has its own way to become reality.

But on a positive side we can see that Trump is getting the (European) ducks into a row.

President Macron of France as well as Prime Minister Starmer of Britain have failed to get U.S. backing for European forces in Ukraine. The warmongering and incompetent European Unions High Representative for Foreign Affairs Kaja Kallas came to Washington to be immediately dismissed. Her meeting with Secretary of State Marco Rubio was scuppered over 'scheduling issues'. (Rumor has it that Kallas had screamed 'appeasement' at Secretary of Defense Hegseth during the recent Munich Security Conference.)

President Putin's prediction that the Europeans will eventually be "at Trump’s feet wagging their tails" has become true:

"Trump, given his personality, his firmness, will establish order fairly quickly. And all of them, quickly, you will see, stand at the master’s feet, wagging their tails tenderly," he said in an interview with VGTRK journalist Pavel Zarubin.

They fall into line with whatever plans Trump might have.

The most difficult remaining barrier to peace in Ukraine is its president Zelenski. He has the most to lose from peace talks over Ukraine. Later today Trump will make him sign the rather worthless 'mineral deal'. But is that enough to put and keep him in line?

And what are the next steps is Trump willing to take? Russia will not allow for a ceasefire along the current lines but wants the big strategic package – an indivisible security structure in Europe – all in one go.

Is Trump really willing and capable enough to deliver on that?

Comments

I fear that Brian Berletic may be right. The US state apparatus will continue to wage war on the planet by all means necessary including regime change operations, use of proxy warriors, and economic siege warfare. After all, “The United States is an oligarchy with unlimited political bibery.”
Late stage monopoly capitalism requires empire to survive.

Posted by: Frank | Mar 1 2025 14:47 utc | 601

I see the Euromedia is going now hyperbolic with their efforts to again ramp up Russian threat against Europe.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 1 2025 14:10 utc | 592
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Yup. And then some…
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Julian Röpcke🇺🇦
@JulianRoepcke
What does Europe need to do now?
➡️We must massively invest in our defense capabilities. 4% of GDP per country is the absolute minimum.
➡️We must massively expand our intelligence services. America is not helping us anymore against Russia, China and islamists.
➡️We must become independent of American weapons. We don’t know how long Trump will supply them to us, and we don’t know how much information about them he will give to our enemies.
➡️We must make Ukraine win this war. Stop giving them 4 to 8% of our defense spending. Put it up to 25% and they will easily beat Russia.
➡️We must counter all American efforts to divide and weaken us. We must respond politically and economically.
➡️As long as Trump is there, the United States are no friend of Europe anymore, not to speak of a security umbrella provider against other authoritarian regimes.
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Posted by: Mary | Mar 1 2025 14:49 utc | 602

Canuck @296
Me? TDS? Whatever.
This morning in my true blue café it is unmitigated Zelensky worship. Trump is Putin’s agent. Kamala would have disemboweled Putin by now. This strain of idiocy remains strong.
One thing I do not understand. Trump would normally have a successor in place before he pulled this smackdown. There seems to be none. This only makes sense if it is completely let the cards fall where they may. As if he no longer cares about the outcome.
Personal pique with Zman is not cause to make this move.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 1 2025 14:50 utc | 603

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 1 2025 14:50 utc | 603
USA isn’t pushing for a successor in Ukraine. Britain is pushing for Zaluzhny (who is the Ukrainian ambassador in UK).
The reason USA doesn’t have a successor is because they dropped the stake in Ukraine, being a financial black hole. They don’t need the stake in Ukraine anymore, especially when offerring Russia to lift sanctions and return US businesses to Russia and return to US treasury market. Putin and Trump were talking about their own mineral deal with US corporations being able to operate in Russian mining business. This one we will just have to see how it pans out.
UK has a major stake in Ukraine, with London banks owning most of its debt. UK wants Odessa, and they want to partially revive the British empire by Ukraine as a vassal state.
UK is also now controlling EU, so they will use EU to confront Russia and utilize remnants of Ukraine.
When it comes to Ukraine, it’s done if USA cuts weapons and recon/intel assistance.
EU is done, too and won’t survive the sinkhole they are trying to absorb.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 1 2025 14:56 utc | 604

Berletic is a great analyst, but he does run the risk of playing his main tune exclusively.
America (like all Empires) is rotten and corrupt. Still, as long as he is President, Trump will bring a different flavor to the proceedings, as seen by the well-planned and executed takedown of Zelensky yesterday.
It began when Z got out of his ride (dressed as he was), and Washington did not pay a cent for lodging or feeding the Ukrainian delegation the previous evening. One cannot imagine Putin on American soil being treated similarly.
Since yesterday, I have had time to consider how Trump managed the takedown of Z, which has given me a new appreciation for how Trump always knows which camera is on and which microphones are live.
Nothing Trump does is by accident. It is all carefully stage managed from having the media pre-positioned on the border to get great “shots” of the US military deploying a trivial number of troops to making sure microphones pick up his comments about Zelensky’s attire.
For 4 more years it is Trump’s world and we’re all watching it like the next episode of Game of Thrones circa 2012.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 1 2025 15:00 utc | 605

Whatever you all claim the “big bad plan” is, does not detract from the MAJOR VICTORY HAD TODAY.
Posted by: UWDude | Mar 1 2025 3:45 utc | 449
Who has had a victory?
This is clearly looks like some sort of turning point in the war, but we don’t know that the war is over.
This may just be a marketing ploy, the first step in a “new and improved” war with Russia.
It was about at this point in Trump’s first term that everybody was saying Trump was making peace with Russia, but in fact the opposite was true.

Posted by: jinn | Mar 1 2025 15:11 utc | 606

Posted by: Mary | Mar 1 2025 14:49 utc | 602
Shades of Hitler’s last days in the movie Downfall. Saying something is easy, actually reversing decades of military decline, whilst abandoning the much promoted and favoured social, foreign, financial, security and environmental policies that have contributed to it, aye, there’s the rub.

Posted by: Milites | Mar 1 2025 15:12 utc | 607

LoveDonbass@605….the cameras have red lights on them, the actor always knows which cameras are hot.
It was one of those seminal moments, a bit surreal…..I don’t think anyone outside the Whitehouse was expecting it, and it played out internationally, no propaganda no word twisting no ‘he said, he said’
It must have been glorious, my wife has watched the dress down several times already this morning……
Cheers M
…..the suit conversation was funny just for the set material alone… Tiny Dancer: The dressed down tour.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 1 2025 15:16 utc | 608

@ Posted by: Apollyon | Mar 1 2025 13:56 utc | 586
“Putin has offered to mediate between Trump and Zelensky.”
Yup got there first – winner of the thread 👏👏.
Ps there is some serious good barfly bantz here today. Over 600 already.
I can’t catch up never mind keep up – but will try to engage with some shortly.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 1 2025 15:24 utc | 609

ZH has a Pepe Escobar posting up w/o link to anywhere else…the title
Escobar: Baltic/Black Sea Power-Games & Red-Lines Intersect In A “Strange War”
Too much to summarize or quote….go read

Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 1 2025 15:26 utc | 610

I think I know NYC and New Yorkers pretty well, I spend 40ys of my life there, you I’d bet have never been there except as a tourist, I suspect that because you don’t realize you are the mark.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 28 2025 23:29 utc | 349
Excuse me, but you know nothing of me. Let’s just say I worked in NYC and watched the 3-card monty hustlers working their marks on Broadway.
Used to drive truck for living. Waiting for the teamsters to get over the fact that a long haul trucker was sent in to Jacob Javits to retrieve show freight (numerous times), you learn a lot just by observation.

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Mar 1 2025 15:26 utc | 611

It was about at this point in Trump’s first term that everybody was saying Trump was making peace with Russia, but in fact the opposite was true.
Posted by: jinn | Mar 1 2025 15:11 utc | 606
Trump wasn’t permitted to make peace with Russia in the 1st term. Russiagate went into impeachment overdrive to ensure it. This time, Trump is truly running his show.
The war will end when Russia reaches its goals.
However, US financing of Ukr is over & done.

Posted by: Mary | Mar 1 2025 15:28 utc | 612

Posted by: Mary | Mar 1 2025 14:49 utc | 602
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The overreaction of European leaders and pundits brings me so much joy.
Trump is not their problem. He is grooming JD Vance right before our eyes. And Rubio too, although Vance is Israel’s guy via Thiel/Palantir. Rubio looks bored and disinterested like a kid forced to attend detention after classes.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 1 2025 15:28 utc | 613

Posted by: Zet | Mar 1 2025 14:31 utc | 597
Lindsey Graham, in an interview with ‘Face the Nation’ on CBS in Jun 2024 and again speaking alongside Zelensky in Kiev in September 2024, claimed that military aid to Ukraine had to continue until Kiev were able to “win” because Washington needs Ukraine’s natural resources. In November he told Fox News that Ukraine “the richest country in all of Europe for rare earth minerals ”, estimating the worth at 2 to 7 trillion dollars, was ready to “do a deal with us,” but not Russia. So the rare earths deal was seemingly introduced by Graham, maybe on suggestion of Zelensky.

Posted by: Alberto | Mar 1 2025 15:28 utc | 614

Do not forget that Europeans do want to fight. But now if USA reall stops funding Ukraine it will be much easier for the Russians.

Posted by: vargas | Mar 1 2025 15:30 utc | 615

The French Defense Minister ordered to “open arsenals” for weapons supplies to Ukraine

“Given the current geopolitical situation and by France’s commitments to European and international partners, I ask you to take all necessary measures to immediately lift all restrictions on the supply of weapons and military equipment to Ukraine.
In this regard, I urge you to immediately begin operations to reduce stockpiles and mobilize existing resources in the infrastructures of the General Directorate of Armaments.
France must provide the Ukrainian authorities, without hindrance or unnecessary delay, with all equipment that can contribute to strengthening their defence capabilities and resistance potential.
I also ask you to coordinate this approach with the General Staff of the Army and our strategic partners to ensure the efficient and safe delivery of the equipment in question,” the French Defense Minister wrote to the Director General of Armaments.

Posted by: Zet | Mar 1 2025 15:32 utc | 616

One headline I found today in Norwegian MSM among delusional headlines was
“NATO is finished”

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 1 2025 15:33 utc | 617

@ Posted by: Zet | Mar 1 2025 14:31 utc | 597
@ Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 1 2025 14:35 utc | 599
It was sheman Lindsey Graham months ago; it was what the huge sell off to the Blackrocks and Bankers was, that was organised by passing laws allowing that to happen under cover of the SMO early on.
It was Burisma and the Democrats and Republicans and their sons. The Nudelmans and ‘Freed man’s’ of the world. The aristo eurocrazies…
It’s why the ukropians are being sent to the mincer from these villages and regions for – so they can’t reclaim their lands. They are being treated to the Palestinian level of genocide and colonialism. And finally it was to entice Drumpff into making a deal which would allow the Eurocraps to fire the long distance weapons into Russia … thank goodness it seems The Don has got out of that commitment. For now. Building the clear blue water between the doomed eurocrazies and the ‘safe’ western North America. Just incase …
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@ Posted by: Skiffer | Mar 1 2025 14:34 utc | 598
Yes indeed Skiffer because the Eurocraps and establishment elites never really cared for the well-being of European natives- always sending them off to occupy some far away lands. They have always just been the disposable footsoldiers for Empire building going back centuries.
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@ Posted by: Mary | Mar 1 2025 14:49 utc | 602
Yes but will they EVER demand that the US occupation forces finally fuck off back to where they came from?
Make America Go AWAY!??

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 1 2025 15:33 utc | 618

no, the europeans do not want to fight. the EU wants to fight. plenty european nations and especially its people that refuse to take part in this nazi-sponsored angst-filled idiocracy.
“putin may live rent-free in my head, but damn it, if i shit my pants then at least while i march on moscow!” – every EU-politician. unelected i might add.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Mar 1 2025 15:35 utc | 619

Whoops seems to have got swallowed up. I’ll try this one again.
@ Posted by: Zet | Mar 1 2025 14:31 utc | 597
@ Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 1 2025 14:35 utc | 599
It was sheman Lindsey Graham months ago; it was what the Hugh sell off to the Bankers was that was organised by passing laws allowing that to happen under cover of the SMO early on.
It was Burisma and the Democrats and Republicans and their sons.
It’s why the ukropians are being sent to the mincer from these villages and regions for – so they can’t reclaim their lands. They are being treated to the Palestinian level of genocide and colonialism. And finally it was to entice Drumpff into making a deal which would allow the Eurocraps to fire the long distance weapons into Russia … thank goodness The Don has got out of that commitment. For now.
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Posted by: Skiffer | Mar 1 2025 14:34 utc | 598
Yes indeed Skiffer because the Eurocraps and establishment elites never really cared for the well-being of Europeaans they have always just been the footsoldiers for Empire building going back centuries.
@ Posted by: Mary | Mar 1 2025 14:49 utc | 602
Yes but will they EVER demand that the US occupation forces finally fuck off back to where they came from?
Make America Go AWAY!??

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 1 2025 15:37 utc | 620

Used to drive truck for living. Waiting for the teamsters to get over the fact that a long haul trucker was sent in to Jacob Javits to retrieve show freight (numerous times), you learn a lot just by observation.
Posted by: Nooneuknow | Mar 1 2025 15:26 utc | 611
Same here, though I retired in 2013. Javits was a real treat, do you remember Murph and Louie? They’ve probably died of lung cancer by now.

Posted by: jr | Mar 1 2025 15:38 utc | 621

my armchair guess remains the same
few days ago, when many analysts were firghtened by “the deal” prospect, i said that Trump is intentionally making the deal absurdly one-sided and toxic, and forcing Ukraine to freak out and break it, freeing Trump from any need to support them.
and now Zelensky did just that. Grokking he would no get anything substantial from USA he at least milked him for PR purposes, being the PR artist he is. And the both got what hey want – the PR “big balls” and the pretexts to cancel the military support while blaming each other.
Ukrainians think the very meeting was a loss for Trump, that Macron and globalists tricked Trump into talking with Ze, which gives them opportunity to reduce systemic reasons for USA quit to shallow “Trump’s ego” BS, which their propaganda so likes. https://t.me/ZeRada1/23924
Maybe, but it also serves Trump’s immediate interests to push Ukraine off his cart as soon as possible.

Posted by: Arioch | Mar 1 2025 15:41 utc | 622

What has President Trump done? He’s put what was once hidden out into plain view. Again.
And the hornets are swarming around their nests – nests in EU, nests in UK and associates, nests here in the U.S. He has kicked the nests, but good.
Now we’ll see the lines of the battle come into focus. This war has “kicked off” and it is, as JD Vance said so clearly, between “patriots” .vs. “the enemy within”. He wasn’t, of course, just speaking about the EU.
I think we’re about to see the “enemy within” named.
I understand that President Trump has scheduled a Congressional Address for this coming Tuesday, and I expect that the Public is going to get an earful.
As OldHippie points out above, President Trump is either reckless, or he’s got what it takes to see this through.
Please note that this marks the first time I’ve used the expression “President Trump”. Heretofore, I called him “Trump”.
Several posters have said (my paraphrase) “the U.S. has to regroup; there will be lots of broken eggs, but the job’s got to get done.”. I think many U.S. Americans see it the same way, and I’m one of them.
I expect Trump to play the Congress the same way he played Z. What he’s going to do is to show the whole country the contrast between himself (as representative of the America First / MAGA wing) and the opposition wing (NeoCons, globalist et. al) of the “Deep State”.
WVDude, Juliania, and a few others: “Good instincts”

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Mar 1 2025 15:43 utc | 623

Posted by: Stu | Mar 1 2025 8:30 utc | 506
don’t let the door hit you in the ass…
The spectacle yesterday was extraordinary, to say the least. This has been one of the more interesting, insightful threads in awhile. Thanks to Juliana, Lovedonbass, Karlofi, UWDude, and many more for their posts. Seems that the Eurotards are going to keep pursuing their sunk cost fallacy. LOL, see how that works out. It will be interesting to see if anything concrete, such as the US suspending all aid (military and otherwise), cutting off starlink, etc.. comes out of this. I certainly hope so. Quite a momentous day, just thrilled in happened in public, so it can’t be spun or brushed off. Seems that the trolls are slowly coming back, sadly.

Posted by: ctiger | Mar 1 2025 15:44 utc | 624

All the levity about this “nothing” event in the Oval Office reminds me of toddler children running downstairs on Christmas morning and rubbing their eyes to gaze at what landed under the Christmas Tree.
“We love you Santy Trump!”

Name one official that has had their life destroyed as a result of their malfeasance in government. NAME ONE!
And getting fired but handed a golden parachute for life doesn’t count.
Just like the Epstein List you will never get but is dangled over your eyes like a dog treat eternally withheld: Redacted!

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 1 2025 15:45 utc | 625

Zelensky brought it up last year (September meeting with Trump) as a bribe to get more support.
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 1 2025 14:35 utc | 599
No, I meant this year. Right before the MSC:
17th:

“During the Munich Security Conference, U.S. representatives pressured Ukraine to quickly agree to a deal regarding rare earth minerals in exchange for continued support. The U.S. threatened to cancel a meeting with Vice President J.D. Vance if Ukraine did not comply, European Pravda reported on Feb. 17.”

14th:

US President Donald Trump implied earlier this week that the deal was a must for Ukraine to secure continued military support.

7th:

The U.S. president, …, said on Monday he wanted Ukraine to supply the U.S. with rare earths and other minerals in return for financially supporting its war effort.

Monday in the above would’ve been the 3rd and here’s what Trump said on the 3rd:

“I told them (Ukraine) that I want the equivalent [of] like $500 billion worth of rare earth,” Trump told Fox News in an interview aired Monday.

So, it was Trump who brought it up this time. At least I can’t find anything else. Then Z took the opportunity to add security guarantees and the circus started.

Posted by: Zet | Mar 1 2025 15:46 utc | 626

Trump always knows which camera is on and which microphones are live.
… It is all carefully stage managed … sure microphones pick up his comments about Zelensky’s attire.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 1 2025 15:00 utc | 605
Exactly. Trump already started it when Z got out of the car, the 1st humiliation. Then he asked one reporter: “Didn’t you have a 2nd question?” and the reporter went with “hey, why are you dressed like shit here in this room?”. Boom.
Also, the 1st sentence of Z when he took a seat: “oh, you have a lot of journalists here”… go figure, this was all perfectly set up to destroy him in front of the world.

Posted by: Zet | Mar 1 2025 15:49 utc | 627

Posted by: Alberto | Mar 1 2025 15:28 utc | 614
Thanks for digging that up. See my comment at #625.

Posted by: Zet | Mar 1 2025 15:51 utc | 628

This is how Dmitry Medvedev commented on the words of the High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, Kaja Kallas, that “the free world needs a new leader.”
“The free world has a new leader. His name is Vladimir Putin.”
Yes! 😀

Posted by: Zet | Mar 1 2025 15:57 utc | 629

Same here, though I retired in 2013. Javits was a real treat, do you remember Murph and Louie? They’ve probably died of lung cancer by now.
Posted by: jr | Mar 1 2025 15:38 utc | 620
I was running the east coast from Boston to Florida every two weeks, but this was 89,90 or so. I don’t remember a Murph or Louie, but I do remember Joey. LOLOL
And I remember how tight the docks were for my cabover, which hauled a 48 with a liftgate. Ah, but those were the days. If you didn’t get into the dock the first time, the teamsters would send you back around to wait hours for another try. LOL
You learn a lot by observing while you’re waiting and waiting and waiting. LOL

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Mar 1 2025 15:58 utc | 630

Trump wasn’t permitted to make peace with Russia in the 1st term. Russiagate went into impeachment overdrive to ensure it.
Posted by: Mary | Mar 1 2025 15:28 utc | 612
The question I posed is this the new and improved version of the same story?.
4 years ago, Trump was actively expanding US aggression towards Russia. While at the same time he was actively engaged in creating the Russiagate mythology. Nobody made him do it then just as nobody made him do what he did yesterday. How many times does one have to watch the same movie before they can figure out the ending?

Posted by: jinn | Mar 1 2025 15:58 utc | 631

From Slavyangrad, watch the video, Ukrainian Nazis marching in Berlin:

Members of Ukraine’s Russian Volunteer Corps will join the antiwar march of the Russian opposition in Berlin on March 1. This is now confirmed by one of the organisers, Ilya Yashin.
RVC’s commander Denis “White Rex” Nikitin/Kapustin is banned from entering Germany (where he grew up) for neo-Nazi activities.
The optics of Russian neo-Nazis who consider themselves the heirs of Hitler’s Vlasov army marching in Berlin is probably not very helpful for the Russian opposition
RVC is using Spayka (a version of fascio) symbol designed by Russian emigre fascists in the 1930s.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/120713

Posted by: Zet | Mar 1 2025 16:01 utc | 632

Got to love all EU tough guy war propaganda Bs………all the bravado is quite comical……there defense industry are shot though with incompetence (see the thousands of EU armored vehicles now in scrap yards of Russia after being obliterated by the RF) and their treasuries are broke….but they are angry because American GI’s will not be fighting and dying for their cause of preserving “western values and the rule of law”.
DJT yesterday stated quite clearly that “we are out”!!

Posted by: tobias cole | Mar 1 2025 16:04 utc | 633

When anyone mentions murph and louie from new york, i know its time to go and empty the dog.
Good greaf this is an international geo political blog.
Spare us murph and louie.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 1 2025 16:08 utc | 634

Re: Julian Röpcke ?
Can some post on his twitter that Europe has a military budget of 400€ billion and 2 million men under arms. That’s plenty to defend against Russia’s puny 100€ billion military budget.

Posted by: Exile | Mar 1 2025 16:09 utc | 635

Final thoughts for this sunny Saturday in London.
‘Odessa’ was the inflammatory phrase! They had to stop shelenski from saying anymore. It was the point that the ‘Deal’ on ‘Raw Earth’ that Drumpff misspoke and then stuck with, could be pulled before being ‘signed’ over lunch.
He even said that he didn’t expect it to be agreed to but there it was ! Shelensky having been approved by the Rada the second time of asking could sign that new ‘Balfour Declaration’.
These code words for the ZioFascist shapeshifter old Khazar Dreams. – Odessa, Crimea, Azov, Caspian and Black Seas.
No, the RF and ‘Curse U Pooooootin’ don’t want poxy Poland or deluded chihuahua baltics or any kind of the deluded ziofascist imperial Anglo Europeans faded lands and glories. The Holy Roman Empire Millennial Dream of Total conquest.
They just want to keep what was inexplicably given away by Lenin and Kruschev!
They never wanted ‘Western Europe’ The remains of the Old Roman Empire and its Owners.
They ended up with the occupation of large parts of it at the end of WW2 after the Nazis attacked them and used many of these countries and their equally deluded ‘Nazi volunteers’ to attack the USSR and kill 27 million of these patriotic commies!
It wasn’t something the Russian Peoples wanted or planned – Stalin didn’t he was not an internationalist – even if the original Bolsheviks under the Banker raised and owned Lenin had that as a master plan; the alternative scheme of world domination. Seeing as how the Catholic and Protestant religious control was getting past its best by date as a useful enslavement tool.
The Grand Old Masters thought it was delivered in 1917!
They had won! They had set up the Fed! The Zionist victory was finally achieved and only a few loose ends remained to be gathered under that new Roman Imperium!
WW1 ended, expecting the end of history and their great victory over the Orthodox East and reclamation of their ancient Khazar Empire that time. The Western Asia lands, Persia, the great African continent, split up with pencil lines on the maps.
The Ottoman Empire could be dismantled as a bulwark agains EurAsia.
Oh that hubris! of the coming roaring twenties was asking for it.
And so it went.
Lenin got stuffed and put in a glass case by Stalin!
The worst that Vladimir was able to do was to create the ‘greater Ukraine’ by parcelling it some lands !! No one has ever bothered to explain WHY In 1921 did Lenin do that? Why did he have the Romanovs exterminated so frantically?? Why did later on Kruschev hand over Crimea to that fake nation that has the green gremlin dictator with his ‘western’ backers and minders???
Well I pretty much have figured it out through the clues of history hidden. However the story in the msm and ‘eurocentric academia and culture’ has to be constantly repeated to be believed – poooooootin wants some poxy western European appendages.
Why? when the RF is multiple orders bigger with a much lesser population and has zero need of the poxy lands or our deluded, Russophobia! Or any of the useless oils and minerals or even the Sea Ports and lanes.
The only people who want the SMO to continue, are those old bastards and their placemen and women who are ready to once again sacrifice Europeans blood and children in their old plan to take over the whole world.
And it seems there are plenty deluded who know not what they wish for and will only find out when their sons are conscripted to forever be some mince meat in some far off corner of the Russian and Chinese borderlands.
They’ll realise and cry then.
As even Kipling that great servant and propagandist of Empire did when his son got pink misted.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 1 2025 16:09 utc | 636

“Didn’t you have a 2nd question?” and the reporter went with “hey, why are you dressed like shit here in this room?”. Boom.
Posted by: Zet | Mar 1 2025 15:49 utc | 626
By the way, this reporter who asked Zelensky if he owned a suit, Brian Glenn, is from the pro-Trump network Real America’s Voice and Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s boyfriend. He got one of the rare Oval Office interviewer spots after the White House blocked the Associated Press…

Posted by: Zet | Mar 1 2025 16:12 utc | 637

Posted by: Zet | Mar 1 2025 15:49 utc | 626
###############
Planting questions in the press has become standard practice now.
Even the Russians do it.
Easier to communicate a narrative when conversation flows are designed for it.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 1 2025 16:12 utc | 638

How many times does one have to watch the same movie before they can figure out the ending?
Posted by: jinn | Mar 1 2025 15:58 utc | 630

A movie has more than one character.
We know neither Trump’s principle antagonist nor his heroic motivation.

Posted by: too scents | Mar 1 2025 16:17 utc | 639

Posted by: Zet | Mar 1 2025 15:32 utc | 616
Do they have something left?
And if it’s so, why open magazines now and not before?

Posted by: Mario | Mar 1 2025 16:23 utc | 640

In the land of thick skin
You’ve got to know your part
And smile or frown
When the director kicks you out
We’ll see you back in the dressing room
After the curtain call
When the champaigne is out
“Here is a picture of my kid
The future 54th
You will be richly rewarded
For obligingly taking the fall”

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Mar 1 2025 16:26 utc | 641

When anyone mentions murph and louie from new york, i know its time to go and empty the dog.
Good greaf this is an international geo political blog.
Spare us murph and louie.
Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 1 2025 16:08 utc | 633
You’re missing the point, MOA is not an “international geo political blog”, it’s a neighborhood bar.

Posted by: jr | Mar 1 2025 16:27 utc | 642

We know neither Trump’s principle antagonist nor his heroic motivation.
This reminds me of a joke … Donny Trump and J Vance are walking along a beach together leisurely after their dressing down of Z. Says Trump, “Jay, what do you think – can one be envious of oneself?”

Posted by: persiflo | Mar 1 2025 16:38 utc | 643

DunGroanin@635…..what ties it all together….religion, money, a common cause, ideology, inbred blood….or just a human defect…..who controls it all, DC, The City, Tel Aviv, a consortium….and its been such for as long as memories can recall…..
…..Green Gnome thinking, so I seen this rabbi, several, they were all Masons, is Trump a Mason? I doubt one gets elected in the UK and not be a fraternal member of some lodge. Scotland, My GG lived there he was a Mason and a politician…..there are Russian Masons, Iranian, pick any EU country, Masons are at all levels of politics, finance, education. Name any country that does not have Masons, in power, politics, education, religion, I wouldn’t be surprised to rub shoulders with a Jesuit at a lodge, they’d likely run it. Just a recurring theme that many if not all countries have, except Masons don’t do menial jobs. They hold the levers of power and justice.
Cheers M
Gramps was a Buff…..had nothing good to say about Masons, downright didn’t like them…..mind you he wasn’t fond of the Brit officers he served under in both Wars, I imagine most of those officers were fraternal brothers and Free Masons also.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 1 2025 16:43 utc | 644

Apologies if this has already been posted, but this Trump/Zelensky meme is too good to pass up.
https://x.com/smubpublius/status/1895626995675120063

Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 1 2025 16:50 utc | 645

“US buying up the shares in European armament companies”
Posted by: Zet | Feb 28 2025 21:37 utc | 267
_________
!?! Please send a link.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Mar 1 2025 16:53 utc | 646

*** Since yesterday, I have had time to consider how Trump managed the takedown of Z, which has given me a new appreciation for how Trump always knows which camera is on and which microphones are live. ***
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 1 2025 15:00 utc | 605
This reminds me when Ronald Regan was asked how he was different from previous Presidents, he said he knows which side of his face looks better on camera.
Anyone who thinks they know what Trump is thinking or planning doesn’t. His internal algorithm is not ordinary. I think he has Aspergers tendencies, but not enough or even close to qualify for the diagnosis. That he and Musk have affinities, I find very interesting.
How media works is a dark art to most. Trump built himself a very useful persona, which is an accomplishment all in itself. Trump also understands branding. How Trump thinks is colored by his media experience, which most, including most politicians, do not understand deeply at all. Their experience is limited to elections, which nobody really cares about. So you are correct. He always knows which camera is on.
The interesting development is that the US Democrat Party had such a cozy relationship with the stenographer media, that they became fat and happy. Understanding how media works and how you can bend it to your will is an unknown skill to Democrats/Deep Staters. It remains to be seen whether they have the strength or savvy to climb back into the dominant position by dictating the narrative. Their opponents have been strengthened by years of effort in cracking the wall that kept them out. This is one of the reasons why I find examining narratives so interesting.
An Irish mark on NY culture (Huge part of Irish immigration came to NY) is what I would call busting – playful insults even and often especially among friends, which can be very revealing and should be, if done well, embarrassing. This is embedded in NY business culture, more so than any other place in the US. Places with German immigration or westward cultures, i.e. the western Rust Belt, the Midwest, and the West Coast just don’t understand it, so they say New Yorkers are mean. The South has its own style of hatred for anything NY.
The utility of this busting cultural artifact becomes clear when you can gauge the character in the reaction of whoever you’re busting. If you understand this, you understand at least one facet of the way Trump behaves.

Posted by: frithguild | Mar 1 2025 16:56 utc | 647

Planting questions in the press has become standard practice now.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 1 2025 16:12 utc | 638
Sure, here in Germany they are even casting people for that to sit in the audience and ask the right questions or when interviewing “random” people on the street.

Posted by: Zet | Mar 1 2025 16:57 utc | 648

“US buying up the shares in European armament companies”
Posted by: Zet | Feb 28 2025 21:37 utc | 267
_________
!?! Please send a link.
Posted by: Gene Poole | Mar 1 2025 16:53 utc | 646
You’ll have to translate the articles for yourself but here you go:

No wonder, then, that a few days ago the US asset manager BlackRock also exercised call options for shares in the armaments company Rheinmetall and acquired shares. As a result, BlackRock’s stake in Rheinmetall now stands at 5.25 percent instead of 5.05 percent. As a result, the company is now the second largest shareholder after the major French bank Société Générale.

https://www.kettner-edelmetalle.de/news/zufalle-gibts-blackrock-erhoht-rheinmetall-anteile-dann-kommt-grossauftrag-21-06-2024
or at the end of 2024:

BlackRock, for example, recently increased its stake in the German arms manufacturer Rheinmetall to 5.30 percent. Asset managers such as BlackRock and Vanguard are using the ongoing war and subsequent reconstruction as a long-term, profitable investment opportunity. Profit clearly takes precedence over morality here.

https://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/711253/rheinmetall-blackrock-und-co-das-ukraine-geschaeft-mit-krieg-und-wiederaufbau
A good overview is here, check the graphs:
https://www.facing-finance.org/2023/12/wer-finanziert-die-deutsche-ruestungsindustrie-und-wie/
or
https://www.investigate-europe.eu/de/posts/eu-militaerfoerderung-bevorzugt-wenige-ruestungsgiganten
You can also check the ETF yourself but will have to do so over time, e.g. this one:
https://www.blackrock.com/at/privatanleger/produkte/334464/ishares-global-aerospace-defence-ucits-etf
Scroll down to the allocation section and check countries; all European nations have been rising.
If you want to crunch the numbers yourself then use this link and change the last parameter ‘asOfDate’:
https://www.blackrock.com/at/privatanleger/produkte/334464/fund/1509774438721.ajax?fileType=csv&fileName=DFND_holdings&dataType=fund&asOfDate=20250227
Just upload the year-specific files you downloaded there to Google Sheets and use AI to give you the numbers for the companies you’re interested in.

Posted by: Zet | Mar 1 2025 17:23 utc | 649

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Feb 28 2025 19:05 utc | 132
“I’m asking for help understanding here. I’m not kidding when I say I don’t get it.”
Putin isn’t the only chess player in this unfolding drama. Trump is positioning his pieces and telegraphing his intentions.
I’m still sticking to my original prediction that Trump will get a peace deal with Russia by May and an agreed upon pathway to peace in the Middle East by November. Trump is not a fan of war and would prefer to trade with the world rather than dominate the world.

Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 1 2025 17:30 utc | 650

I’m still sticking to my original prediction that Trump will get a peace deal with Russia by May and an agreed upon pathway to peace in the Middle East by November. Trump is not a fan of war and would prefer to trade with the world rather than dominate the world.
Posted by: Paranaense | Mar 1 2025 17:30 utc | 650
############
What does Trump have to offer the Russians?
The only way to get ME peace would be to create and recognize Palestine with a capital in Jerusalem.
Throwing the Israeli and Lebanese projects away.
It’s not impossible. It is very improbable.
It is important to separate what we would like to see happen from what is likely to happen.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 1 2025 17:38 utc | 651

Posted by: frithguild | Mar 1 2025 16:56 utc | 647
Make sure you get the right profile! Trump is a lot like RR. Both have a lot more going on than what we see on the surface, and they understand how the surface works. It’s Brave New World Revisited. I always enjoy your observations.
The Right Profile. I still like the Clash even though I think some ministry of the interior created them.

Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 1 2025 17:46 utc | 652

Napolitano and Macgregor are not impartial observers. In any way.
The Judge is mad because Trump didn’t pardon Assange and Snowden on his way out the door in 2021. Macgregor is salty because Trump didn’t include him in this Administration and his quasi-political “Our Country, Our Choice” organization has never taken off with either Trump or MAGA money donors.
It’s painful to watch both of them post November 5.

Posted by: NigelTufnel11 | Mar 1 2025 18:16 utc | 653

In the mean time, step 2
Europe must be punished, the US – disregarded, while “weak nations” should be pardoned,
Sometimes two months seem like an eternity
“>https://tass.com/politics/1894291?

Posted by: Newbie | Mar 1 2025 12:14 utc | 557
The last time I had to hear that was a month ago when karlof1 wrote a column refuting Karaganov’s idea that the Europeans are the main instigator and driving force of the conflict in Ukraine, whth names like Nuland and Kagan (both USian) being mentioned.
However much the Europeans would have to be punished, why not punish the US by that same token?
https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/some-sins-will-not-wash-away

Posted by: joey_n | Mar 1 2025 20:28 utc | 654

frithguild @647:

US Democrat Party had such a cozy relationship with the stenographer media, that they became fat and happy. Understanding how media works and how you can bend it to your will is an unknown skill to Democrats/Deep Staters. It remains to be seen whether they have the strength or savvy to climb back into the dominant position by dictating the narrative….

This simply not true. The deliberate narratives from all mass media, both entertainment and so-called news (presstitution), has been openly, overwhelmingly, and painfully obviously pro Democrat/Establishment for at least two decades. Their problem isn’t their lack of control over the media, but rather their excessive/obsessive control over the media narratives in a period when the “Professional/Managerial Class” has aggressively embraced delusion. Since the PMC crafts the media narratives from Hollywood to Madison Ave, the consequence of this embrace of delusion is that the mass media narratives have diverged so far from the lived reality of the vast majority of the population that not only do those narratives no longer gain the cognitive traction they used to, but most people’s responses to those narratives have inverted from what the authors intend. As an example, the mass media piled the praise on Kamala Harris and silenced any and all criticism of her, yet the reaction from the majority of the public was not to internalize the positive narratives but rather to assume the opposite: that Harris is an incompetent and fraudulent whore. Likewise, the effort by the mass media to cast Trump as a dangerous criminal racist misogynist likewise backfired, most spectacularly among Latinos and middle-aged and older Black men who are sensitive to demonization narratives.
No, the problem is not that the Democrats/Establishment don’t know how to control the media narrative. The problem is that the narratives they manufacture have gone completely bonkers. Trump is not a master of manipulating the narrative du jour, he is just a master of recognizing the public backlash against rotten and putrid narratives and riding that wave like a virtuoso surfer.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 1 2025 21:46 utc | 655

@robin | Sat, 01 Mar 2025 08:23:00 GMT | 502

The US locked out of Europe? I’ll believe it when I see it.

It depends on what Trump does. If he drops Ukraine aid (maybe likely now, but we’ll see) and moves troops from Poland and Romania to appease Russia (possible), then Europe will have to look elsewhere for security.
Already they are talking about it, so a shift is possible from bandwagoning with the US to balancing against Russia on their own.
Trade-wise we’ll see. But if Trump goes around slapping 50% tariffs on EU goods, then the EU may find other trading partners soon.

Posted by: James M. | Mar 1 2025 23:25 utc | 656

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 1 2025 21:46 utc | 655
Largely agree, but a couple of points. Elon buying Twitter destroyed the DNC-MSM hybrid’s chances of ever making Harris electable, whilst helping send her predecessor stumbling to an early exit. It’s also stopped a DS driven counter-Trump narrative from gaining any real traction, with the spin, un-spun in record time, whilst being actively used by the Administration to help aid and sustain their message. Before that, SM was vital in keeping MAGA unified, by helping beat off repeated attacks from Biden’s weaponised state, his willing MSM accomplices and the RINO vultures circling.
The other problem with the MSM becoming willing court-stenographers and paid accomplices was that they largely abrogated one of their essential roles, that of a screening line that detects incoming dangers and gives enough warning time to allow hasty readjustments to policy. Instead of warning the Democrats about the implications, or impact, of carrying out problematic policies they actively supported them and focused their attention on quelling any critics of said policies. Ironically, this meant that the MSM, far from hindering and derailing Trump’s progress, repeatedly assisted him in gaining the level of victory he achieved in ‘24.

Posted by: Milites | Mar 2 2025 0:25 utc | 657

Posted by: James M. | Mar 1 2025 23:25 utc | 656
‘then Europe will have to look elsewhere for security.’
Where? Europe has built its entire security infrastructure, indeed its entire political architecture, on the assumption that the US will bankroll and backstop it in perpetuity. It could feasibly change direction, but the process would permanently change the character of Europe, something the EU would refuse to contemplate as it is not in its nature to self-forge its own nemesis.

Posted by: Milites | Mar 2 2025 0:47 utc | 658

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 1 2025 13:25 utc | 573

FEB UKR territory progress can now be evaluated on the DS map:

Call it a little under 7 per day.

That’s the wrong metric, no matter how often it is repeated.
The easiest way to gauge the current military situation is to compare the Haltung (composure) of the two commanders in chief.
Or, rather, the lack thereof, in the case of Mr Zelensky.

Posted by: Jan Sobieski | Mar 2 2025 7:54 utc | 659

@Jan Sobieski | Sun, 02 Mar 2025 07:54:00 GMT | 659

That’s the wrong metric, no matter how often it is repeated.

It’s a waste of time telling him that. Better to just ignore him, he never changes his tune.

Posted by: James M. | Mar 2 2025 9:19 utc | 660

Where? Europe has built its entire security infrastructure, indeed its entire political architecture, on the assumption that the US will bankroll and backstop it in perpetuity
Posted by: Milites | Mar 2 2025 0:47 utc | 658
Not entirely. Never heard of the CSDP? The Common Security and Defense Policy has been around for a few decades. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/159/common-security-and-defence-policy It’s not quite NATO, but it’s not nothing. It’s been deployed more times than NATO has over the last twenty years, mostly to Africa. But it does form a basis for deeper EU security cooperation.
And no, you are quite wrong that European “political” architecture (I think you mean security architecture) is based on the US backing Europe “in perpetuity.” For one thing, the EU has its own identity, it even has its own money, separate from the US. It is deeply integrated, interconnected, and not likely to collapse, just because the US suddenly packs up and goes home. Surprisingly, Europe survived for 2,000 years prior to NATO’s formation and US involvement.
Secondly, France has been trying for decades to push for more autonomy from the US. This might be the push the rest of Europe needs to more fully back the CSDP or a French/German-led initiative. The main issue preventing this isn’t an overreliance on the US, but simmering distrust among the Europeans.
It was easier to rely on the US because it was not a European power, did not share borders, was basically an outsider, and a powerful one. A common enemy, Russia, may unite them in the interim.
The other option they can do is bandwagon with Russia- read Mearsheimer or Walt for their definitions. Basically, bandwagoning happens when a weaker state aligns with a stronger state, to prevent that state from doing bad things to it (invasion, war, etc.). This is a possibility for Europe to do if the US is no longer reliable. It is a slim possibility, but the chance is more than zero that it would happen.

Posted by: James M. | Mar 2 2025 9:54 utc | 661

Posted by: too scents | Mar 1 2025 16:17 utc | 639
Yes we do, you’re probably watching the version dubbed into German, then pirated onto YouTube with English subtitles supplied by a resident of Mumbai, out to make an easy buck.

Posted by: Milites | Mar 2 2025 10:01 utc | 662

Posted by: Milites | Mar 2 2025 10:01 utc | 662
It’s been a while, was out for a while and was waiting to find you.
What’s your take on z’s early january comment (bluff?) that tha AFU was 980.000 strong?
I can’t understand where he could have got the more than half a million I can’t model in.
Tass says nothing that would clarify that (except as a bluff)
https://tass.com/defense/1921035
Ukraine has managed to mobilize less than 28,000 troops with its total military losses being 38,920 personnel in one month, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
“This February, Ukrainian recruitment centers mobilized less than 28,000 Ukrainians with total losses being 38,920 troops over a month,” the ministry said.
It added that in January, about 28,000 people were mobilized with the losses of 51,960 troops, in December 2024 – about 33,000 mobilized versus 48,470 troops lost, and in November – about 34,000 people mobilized versus 60,805 in military losses.
Your feedback would be most welcome.

Posted by: Newbie | Mar 2 2025 10:13 utc | 663

UKRAINE: Obama’s team including Anthony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice, and Alexander Vindman advised Zelensky to reject Trump’s deal in violation of the Logan Act.
Scott Ritter says an elite Ukraine assasxination squad have listed Trump as a target.
Norway reguses to reguel USA navy shios.Z says needs 259 billion.
Nato “comedy”..will USA leave?
hohoho

Posted by: Jo | Mar 2 2025 11:16 utc | 664

refuses to refuel….ships ..250 billion

Posted by: Jo | Mar 2 2025 11:18 utc | 665

I think Trump had an epiphany in the meeting in the Oval Office with Zelensky. Trump is a hardened New York real estate magnate and has dealt with many sorts.
However, Trump has only tangentially been exposed to the ultimate evil which forms the core of the Deep State. Trump got a taste of that in the Epstein business.
Yes, its true Trump made it a priority to eradicate what he could of human trafficking which is a core business of the Deep State slave empire. But, I don’t think Trump has personally been forced to being exposed deeply to such evil.
In Trump’s Oval Office meeting with Zelensky, Trump stared into Zelensky’s soulless eyes and recognized the pure evil within. It was a shock to recognize that here was a leader of a country who opposed peace and who would sacrifice all of Ukraine in the meat grinder in the east without a shred of compunction.
That the EU, with a few exceptions, supports this devil only adds to Trump’s deep understanding. Here we see what before was the difference between Trump and Putin. Putin long ago came to understand he was dealing with pure evil. Now both leaders are on the same page.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTROMPq1SAA

Posted by: Oswald | Mar 2 2025 12:23 utc | 666

Zelensky has been programmed to bring about a war between Russia and the US.
That mission is his sole focus.

Posted by: Oswald | Mar 2 2025 12:28 utc | 667

Posted by: Newbie | Mar 2 2025 10:13 utc | 663
Ditto. As to your question about ‘our big army’
Probably the same metrics used by the Nazis in late ‘44-45, where the actual numbers are conflated with a potential force pool of theoretical conscripts.
Zelensky has been repeating this ‘our big army’ line which tends to suggest it is anything but, if it was it would be self-evident
In the Oval Office smack down session, Z was particularly needled by Vance’s comments about the actual size of the army and the methods of conscription, again suggesting this is a carefully crafted fake narrative, being sold at home.
Having recently watched countless examples of unguarded Ukrainian equipment in the Kursk salient being droned, it is obvious they do not have enough manpower to secure their ever-shrinking perimeter+rear area.
A crude headcount is not the whole story though, the the Russians are getting particularly adept at striking targets occupied by essential personnel, especially drone operators, and now are not only disabling AFV’s but ruthlessly hunting down their dismounts and crews.
So yes, shrinkage of the overall force pool, inability to protect assets, losing key personnel to more effective Russian combined drone strikes and closer coordination with conventional strike platforms, means the ‘big army’ is largely a fantasy. Similar to the latter-war phantom divisions that the German’s had at their disposal, which operated well below their official paper strength, or were filled with inferior, poorly trained, substitutes.

Posted by: Milites | Mar 2 2025 15:49 utc | 668

Posted by: Oswald | Mar 2 2025 12:23 utc | 666
Possibly, but also Trump was probably aware that the people Zelensky talked to, just prior to the meeting, telling him to get tough and demand more than was originally agreed, were part of the same DS crew who used Ukraine and Zelensky as the vehicle for the first sham impeachment.
They were hoping Zelensky would goad Trump, who would lose it publicly and say something that could be twisted into another ‘investigation’, but he didn’t, and the RINOS in both houses quickly fell into lockstep. The Dems were playing the ‘17 playbook, trouble is it’s ‘24, so too predictable and the crowd and umpires are somewhat different. Poor Zed is now left swinging in the Trump turbulence, with his political prospects as shrivelled as his piano-playing dick.

Posted by: Milites | Mar 2 2025 16:05 utc | 669

Posted by: James M. | Mar 2 2025 9:54 utc | 661
Yup, know about the CSDP, you could conceivably work it up using the former as a foundation, but to get it close to NATO capabilities you’d need more time than the Europeans have. NATO is driven by doctrinal integration and interoperability with US Forces, without which it would lose most of its current security capabilities, so more accurately NATO-US=CSDP+UK.
No, I meant political architecture, or the social expectations that successive European governments have inculcated into their populations. Any drastic increase in defence spending, which would be needed to compensate for losing even a fraction of US support, would be virtually impossible, politically. Labour recently proposed an increase of .2% GDP on defence and it cost a ministers resignation and deep disquiet in the party, and this is a country that has always matched their NATO spending target, (hardly any other country in Europe did, pre-Trump). Even with this increase in spending the UK armed forces are having to cut capabilities and manpower across the board. So yes, Europe could go it alone, if by security you mean diluting the term to be almost meaningless, or a reliance on the goodwill and inertia of other nations. I guess we could just rely on a tripwire force and UK+French nukes, a return perhaps to the Pentomic days.
Yes, well aware of France’s continued attempts to prise Europe away from the US, by fair means or often foul. Mostly the meetings seem to be occasions where the French whinge and the delegates consume fine food, sample the local whores and buy the missus a pretty gift, all on the government tab. The Euro Army solution is usually trotted out, but collapses when the realities set in, especially when the French redlines are approached, or which model is being considered. Ironically, US security guarantees allow the French to plan for a European military future without the need for US security guarantees! Still it might gain extra impetus now, but again it would require a complete re-build of the current political architecture, possibly necessitating the creation of a Euro-Super State, at a time when the EU is struggling to maintain order in the ranks.
Yes again, well aware of the concept of band-wagoning, in essence that’s what the Euro project was all about, link the two troublemakers and stop them starting one of their regular conflicts. Good luck trying to politically sell the idea of doing it with Russia, given the way recent events have gone in Europe.
So yes, Europe can currently look elsewhere for security, but no alternative comes anywhere close to having US involvement. Whilst in the future, though those US capabilities could be feasibly replicated, to do so, would fundamentally change the nature of Europe. So what price security?

Posted by: Milites | Mar 2 2025 23:40 utc | 670

@669’ milites,
Calumny
All the TDS, which is manifested as “stand up for Stalin’s borders”, have is calumny against the President wanting to avoid another quagmire which RF will ultimately win….
Bankrupting the west.
Kiev is more trouble than Saigon!
While Russia grinds on watching the mud wrestling.

Posted by: paddy | Mar 2 2025 23:55 utc | 671

Well that weekend disappeared quickly! Didn’t manage to do squat.
Good thing the sun’s not out or one would risk snow blindness from all the white chicken feathers flying through the air and covering all the tar and everything else 😀 (Is that dueling banjos I hear in the background? Lol).
· · ·
I noticed someone talking about this and here is my opinion.
To say that NATO article 5 was used* after 9/11 is technically true but extremely misleading to the point of meaninglessness. At the time it was essentially a non-issue except to a small portion of the population (including me!). It was mentioned and vaguely discussed in the news (if one paid attention) but not actually a big deal (although I thought it was back then) and in retrospect kind of embarrassing.
* Or “invoked” but “invoked” does not hold any special meaning either, it can just sound like it does. One could say “triggered”, “employed”, or pretty much any other synonym and it still ends up misleading.
It is an example of the process of taking an original intent (the voluntary collective defense against invasion by a country or countries) and deliberately misusing and expanding it.
The US did __not__ invoke article 5 and did not ask for it and arguably did not want it, instead the UK (UK not US) pushed it through NATO to result in two minor and very limited actions.
Part of a statement by the North Atlantic Council, Press Release (2001)124, September 12,
2001 (quoted in RAND MR1746.pdf “The Counterterror Coalitions”, pagination 6 but PDF page 19):

“The Council agreed that if it is determined that this attack was directed from abroad against the United States, it shall be regarded as an action covered by Article 5 of the Washington Treaty, which states that an armed attack against one or more of the Allies in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all.”

Some weeks later NATO decided that it was covered by Article 5.
Notice “covered by”. Well just like “invoked” the word “covered” does not hold any special meaning on its own and neither did the NATO decision amount to anything truly important (only to two limited projects/operations).
At that point (and now many years later seeing what little it amounted to) talking about article five being invoked is rather pathetic for NATO.
It was playing politics (for imaginary leverage), and an attempt to stay relevant, and an effort to expand the scope of NATO. It wasn’t meaningfully effective at any of it but it may have contributed its tiny little share towards muddling the waters and thus now often when people say NATO they don’t actually mean “NATO” but simply “anyone dictated to by the US”.
Anyway that’s my view.
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And (separately) the only thing “glacial” about a 25 to 1 kill ratio is how “Ukrainians” might as well be jumping into a glacial ravine never to be seen again.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Mar 3 2025 11:03 utc | 672

@615
“Do not forget that Europeans do want to fight.”
Which ones? Will the average man in the street stand for getting stuffed into a recruiting van so he can die in the ukraine while euro elites count their money?

Posted by: Fred777 | Mar 3 2025 11:40 utc | 673

“No, I meant political architecture, or the social expectations that successive European governments have inculcated into their populations.”
Posted by: Milites | Mar 2 2025 23:40 utc | 670
That’s not what that’s called. You’re referring to norms on social behavior. Those change over time, and are not always set. At one point in the not-too-distant past the Europeans were at each others’ throats, literally. Now, not so much. Integration plays a part in that – neo-functionalism, and the spillover effect.
Defense spending increases are a hard sell, but not impossible. But yes, this could lead to social unrest. I’ve said as much in a prior post. No European country has matched the US in military spending as a percent of GDP since WWII. That’s where bandwagoning with Russia comes into play. It depends largely on how the Europeans will perceive the US and Russia, but perceptions, like norms, can change.
It should, by now, become clear to Europe that the US is not the security guarantor for them it once was. Sizeable pluralities of Americans want to be done with military spending for NATO, and maybe done with the alliance itself. If not Trump, then one of his lickspittle acolytes, like Vance, may eventually pull the plug.
If the Europeans are proactive then they have a choice to make. A hard choice. Move on from the US, and either balance Russia on their own, which they seem to be attempting to do, or appease Russia and live with it as Europe’s main security guarantor. If they’re not proactive, then they are at the whims of Trump and MAGA for the next 4-8 years, or beyond, and a gradual whittling away of the “transatlantic partnership.” Not a pleasant situation for them, any way you slice it.

Posted by: James M. | Mar 4 2025 0:57 utc | 674

@Sunny Runny Burger | Mon, 03 Mar 2025 11:03:00 GMT | 672

To say that NATO article 5 was used* after 9/11 is technically true but extremely misleading to the point of meaninglessness.

I had stated it was a mostly symbolic gesture, after 9/11. However, the invocation of Article 5, whether by the US, who actually did not complain about it being invoked and may have instigated the British to in fact make that proposal, or someone else, was not insignificant. It was a mutual decision. The US being the victim would be the natural requestor.
Both Operation Active Endeavor, and Eagle Assist, launched in response to this were not limited. Operation Active Endeavor lasted for 15 years, and helped lay the groundwork for NATO’s eventual involvement in Afghanistan. Eagle Assist lasted for eight months, and involved a thousand personnel. There were six more initiatives launched by NATO under this Article 5 invocation.
So symbolic at the time, but the invocation led to deeper involvement by NATO in the US-led GWOT.

Posted by: James M. | Mar 4 2025 1:22 utc | 675

I apologize James M. it was not meant as an attack on you or anyone really.
Fully agree with your last paragraph. I simply believe it would all have happened anyway one way or another without any mention of article 5 just as it did as far as Japan and South Korea were concerned.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Mar 5 2025 16:09 utc | 676