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February 28, 2025
The Guessing Game Over Trump’s Real Aims In Ukraine

The guessing game about President Donald Trump's real position on peace in Ukraine continues.

Some commentators, including yours truly, think that Trump has blown it by becoming too committed to Ukraine. Others believe that Trump is deceiving the public while working on peace in the backroom. 

The last two blog post were part of the guessing game:

To recap the first piece:

Neither approach one might think Trump is taking – to use a Ukraine resource deal to keep the U.S. in Ukraine and the war going, or to use the Ukraine resource deal to finally break with Ukraine – is consistent with a realistic assessment of the facts on the ground. At least not if the aim of the game is to make peace.

The conclusion for me is that there is no Trump plan at all to make peace in Ukraine.

and the second:

By pressing for the agreement, instead of taking the Russian offer for access to minerals, Trump has committed himself to continue the war in Ukraine.

It will lead to the failure of his peace initiative.

The war Ukraine is now destined to become Trump's Vietnam.

Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism is supportive of my last take. Citing a recent talk between Judge Napolitano and Col. Douglas MacGregor she writes:

This segment confirms what yours truly had warned about, yet quite a few members of the commentariat seem unwilling to accept: that the Ukraine minerals deal, if consummated, will commit the US to involvement in and therefore support of Ukraine.

Put it another way, there’s no value to this arrangement, and high embarrassment to Trump, if peace negotiations fail (perhaps more accurately, fail even to get started).

During that segment Napolitano presented a quote from Trump:

Trump: President Zelensky’s coming to sign the deal, and it’s a great thing. It’s a great deal for Ukraine too because get us over there, we’re going to be working over there, we’ll be on the land, and that way, it’s sort of automatic security, because nobody is going to be messing around with our people while when we’re there. And so we’ll be there in that way. But Europe will be watching it very closely. I know that UK has said and France has said that they want to put, they volunteered to put so-called peacekeepers on the ground. And I think that’s a good thing.

Napolitano as well as Macgregor dislike Trump's position:

Napolitano: You know, we both respect him and applaud his willingness to talk with the Russians. But statements like that betray either gross ignorance or very very bad intel. Your thoughts, Colonel..

Macgregor: No, I think that’s a polite way to put it. To be frank, President Trump needs to get out of this notion of putting anybody in Ukraine who’s not Ukrainian. And stay away from it. I heard this and I was genuinely disappointed, because there’s been a gross misinterpretation. …

Others, however, reject the pessimistic interpretation.

Gilbert Doctorow comments on the Trump press conference with the British Premier Starmer:

Even some of the most astute and worldly-wise commentators on Trump in alternative media underappreciate him and persist in seeing him as a buffoon whose inconsistencies and contradictions in his public statements from one day to another are convincing proof that he cannot see an initiative through to successful conclusion. This is precisely what I saw and heard earlier today when listening to the ‘Judging Freedom’ interview with Colonel Larry Wilkerson, whom I otherwise greatly respect for his observations on U.S. relations with Israel or on the battlefield situation in the Russia-Ukraine war.

No, this fellow Trump is a master at deception. Today’s press conference with Keith Starmer was proof positive that the vague, nonspecific notion of America back-stopping the European peace keepers in Ukraine is, strictly speaking, a tactic to shut up the Europeans while Washington puts together a mutually acceptable end-game solution with Moscow that it imposes on Ukraine and Europe at the appropriate moment.

Wilkerson's remarks (@4min) as referred to by Doctorow:

Napolitano: Does [Trump] not understand Vladimir Putin's mentality?

Wilkerson: Apparently not. These are very unwise remarks as a matter of fact because he's compromising his own ability to to negotiate a decent deal. It's just nonsense and it's increasing nonsense if he keeps talking that way. That's my problem with Donald Trump: he solves a problem at least preliminarily and then he moves on and screws the problem he solved himself with his mouth. I don't know how you do diplomacy that way.

Prof. John Mearsheimer does not believe that (@14min):

I think when you look at the administration and you look at what is going on in the foreign policy realm you have to distinguish between what is happening behind closed doors, the actual decision-making process, and what is happening out in public.

Let us start with regard to what is happening behind closed doors:

Donald Trump and everybody at the top of his administration knows full well what the Russian demands are and the fact that Trump has said and others have said that a deal can be worked out means that we know what those demands are and we're going to meet those demands period end of story. And this includes this crazy idea of peacekeepers and security guarantees and so forth and so on. Putin has made it unequivocally clear that that is unacceptable and Trump has de facto accepted that now. That's the private discourse that takes place behind closed doors.

Then there's the public debate and the public debate is sort of a wild and crazy one in large part because Trump is free to say whatever he wants and because he likes to pontificate on a daily basis and he doesn't pay much attention to facts and he's not very careful with his language. We end up in all these debates about what he really means and is he contradicting himself and so forth and so on.

I've got to the point where I just don't pay that much attention to what he says in public. The question is what are they saying in private and I believe in private they know what has to be said. They have already said it at least once to the Russians and now the details have to be worked out.

I hope that Doctorow and Mearsheimer are more correct than Yves Smith, myself, Macgregor and Wilkerson. That the public play we see and hear is just a facade for a serious policy behind it.

I fear however, like Wilkerson does, that too much public talk, even if not meant seriously, has its own way to become reality.

But on a positive side we can see that Trump is getting the (European) ducks into a row.

President Macron of France as well as Prime Minister Starmer of Britain have failed to get U.S. backing for European forces in Ukraine. The warmongering and incompetent European Unions High Representative for Foreign Affairs Kaja Kallas came to Washington to be immediately dismissed. Her meeting with Secretary of State Marco Rubio was scuppered over 'scheduling issues'. (Rumor has it that Kallas had screamed 'appeasement' at Secretary of Defense Hegseth during the recent Munich Security Conference.)

President Putin's prediction that the Europeans will eventually be "at Trump’s feet wagging their tails" has become true:

"Trump, given his personality, his firmness, will establish order fairly quickly. And all of them, quickly, you will see, stand at the master’s feet, wagging their tails tenderly," he said in an interview with VGTRK journalist Pavel Zarubin.

They fall into line with whatever plans Trump might have.

The most difficult remaining barrier to peace in Ukraine is its president Zelenski. He has the most to lose from peace talks over Ukraine. Later today Trump will make him sign the rather worthless 'mineral deal'. But is that enough to put and keep him in line?

And what are the next steps is Trump willing to take? Russia will not allow for a ceasefire along the current lines but wants the big strategic package – an indivisible security structure in Europe – all in one go.

Is Trump really willing and capable enough to deliver on that?

Comments

Trump doesn’t care about the aesthetics of the process.
He cares about coming out as a winner even if the whole ordeal is stomach turning to observers.
As Trump confidante, Roger Stone, is famous for saying, “there is no bad press.”
The goal with Trump is to occupy the minds of everyone. Friends, enemies, and bystanders.
We’ll know more in 2 weeks as this all shakes out and Russia retakes Kursk for good.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 28 2025 20:29 utc | 201

United States’ Cuban Embargo moment. US has blinked. Must say Russians blinked with more grace back in the day. US can also say goodbye to alliances in the Far East. Japan is likely seriously considering going nuclear atm. Taiwan is nervous, and Abraham Accord is back in business. Turkey’s (Kurdish!) FM also had some choice words for IRI today and openly warned it regarding its behavior. IRI itself has sent Iran back 200 years to the bad old days when Russia Empire basically dictated terms to the Qajar kings. The most intriguing question is how Xi is processing all this. All their energy needs are met from RF and Persian Gulf and that now looks like a block. The meeting -pointedly- held in KSA is also data point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZpbXdSJCBw
(all above modulo actors-as-leaders)

Posted by: sunof27 | Feb 28 2025 20:30 utc | 202

Anyone want to hazard a guess, where is the Ukie Prosecutor that had the goods on Biden……dead, or alive.
Maybe he got asylum in Russia…
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 28 2025 20:30 utc | 203

There’s a good chance Elensky throwing a dirty bomb at the Russians just to screw things up.

Posted by: Surferket | Feb 28 2025 20:31 utc | 204

Trump and Z in the Oval Office screaming at each other – finally something the MSM reported as their top story on evening news – I checked the BBC, Austria’s ORF2 and Germany’s ARD. Trump telling Z that he does not want peace, instead, is taking chances for a third world war. And “come back when you’re ready for peace” – terminates the session without the document being signed and cancels the press conference.
I must say it fills me with Schadenfreude. Finally somebody who does not buy the comedian’s tricks, nor does he fall for his manipulation techniques. Zelensky was courted like a pop star when the war started – he had live video appearances in the Bundestag and in other parliaments – they looked upon him as a beacon of democracy – France and the UK still do, the BBC was appalled to see how Putin’s innocent victim, poor Volodymir, was now insulted by evil Donald.
Trump has scored another goal. And, he did not sign the mineral deal, to the relief, I guess, of many commentators who feared that his peace initiative would be in danger.

Posted by: grunzt | Feb 28 2025 20:31 utc | 205

*Breaking Market News*
Shares of headache pill suppliers in London, Paris and Berlin have risen sharply in after-hours trading…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 28 2025 20:34 utc | 206

To further add to the excitement, just got this:
EPA WILL REVERSE
ACKNOWLEDGMENT
THAT GREENHOUSE
GASSES ARE HARMFUL
0137 Q39 7 83
komo4 The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
plans to reverse its 2009 declaration recognizing
greenhouse gasses as harmful to the environment,
according to The Washington Post.
Sources told the publication EPA Administrator Lee
Zeldin recommended the move to the White House.
Reversing the declaration could lead to seismic
changes in the way the U.S. enforces energy use and
environmental regulations.
Trump during his first cabinet meeting this week also
said he planned to cut a large number of employees
from the agency. EPA could see a workforce reduction
by as much as 65%, he said.

Posted by: osi not ossi | Feb 28 2025 20:34 utc | 207

Re: audit Aid to Zelensky ?
Doesn’t need an audit , just review all SWIFT wires in and out of Kiev for last few years. Washington has access to all SWIFT transactions
BWAHHHH

Posted by: Exile | Feb 28 2025 20:35 utc | 208

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 28 2025 20:34 utc | 205
And, don’t forget shares of adult diaper makers, as the US Senate has shut down due to “involuntary bowel movements.”

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 28 2025 20:35 utc | 209

Is I said, the “mineral deal” was never meant to be signed. The Ukrainians thought they were calling Trump’s bluff by pretending to agree to it, which forced Trump to up the ante.
This was all just performance art on Trump’s part to publicly build justification for the US to wash its hands of the whole affair.
Mission accomplished.
Now the Ukraine is well and truly cooked.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 28 2025 20:37 utc | 210

Give Trump the Nobel peace award, already.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 28 2025 20:37 utc | 211

Also breaking…
Zelensky’s White House piano recital has been abruptly cancelled; apparently somebody slammed the lid closed a bit too quickly…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 28 2025 20:37 utc | 212

“As I said…”, that should read.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 28 2025 20:37 utc | 213

***Did american intel tell trump.
He was being scamed by europe over the ‘rare dirt.” ***
Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 28 2025 20:22 utc | 194
Who injected “rare dirt” into the narrative a few weeks ago? Lindsey Graham. Now this whole minerals topic is neutralized. And “no off ramps” Lindsey too and his deep state handlers too who will torpedo Trump whenever possible.

Posted by: frithguild | Feb 28 2025 20:38 utc | 214

Expect the US to use the entire weight of its system to go after Zelenskies stolen billions. Trump is going to pull back the curtains on the globalist Ukraine project.

Posted by: CullenBaker | Feb 28 2025 20:39 utc | 215

I disagree on one point, that is europeans are not electing leaders who read from an alternative script. All the victims of fascist christopolous ‘elensky curse in major euro states have been replaced by leaders who are seemingly even more convinced that Russia is evil. starmer being a classic example.
The graun is currently claiming 14 euro leaders have so far come out in support of zelensky at whitehouse. That includes the powerless poseurs such as vand der L but it also includes actual premiers of many euro nations. Of course scholz backs z, but he is on the way out, we haven’t heard from Menz who is truly between a rock & a hard place with his two stated aims of defeating evil russia and improving relations with corporate amerika are now totally in conflict with each other. Menz will be circumspect for a while until he works out how to build a policy outta two inherently contradictory notions. Not a biggie for any really wily pol but we do not know whether menz is that yet.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Feb 28 2025 20:39 utc | 216

The scolding in front of the camera’s was unnecessary (but fun to watch ^^).
To me it looks more like the Zelensky team is unable to give into what the Trump administration is demanding. And we know he demands a lot like whole countries confer Canada & Greenland lol. If a large chunk of Ukraine’s mineral wealth was already promised to other Ukraine backers like the UK, France, etc. then the Zelensky team was probably given the order to not give in to Trump’s demands. Hence the amusing performance. I’m curious how the Zelensky team will wiggle itself out of these conflicting intra NATO interests.
It’s also quite funny how the EU as a kakistocratic institution has been pushed once more into irrelevance this time by the US when the lead EU kakistocrat Kaja Kallas flew all the away across the ocean to her overlord only to be refused even an audience.

Posted by: xor | Feb 28 2025 20:41 utc | 217

@147 Boneless.
Yes indeed where is Vargas. Has anyone else noticed that the troll presence here has dropped to near zero after the USAID defenestration?
Either they are all rendered speechless by Trump or more likely, they are not getting paid….
JB

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Feb 28 2025 20:43 utc | 218

More and more information is being posted that the US has severed all support for Ukraine energy grid repairs, cyber-warfare actions vs Russia, waiting to hear about starlink this might be real, the US finally cutting off Ukraine, let’s see if Ukraine comes to the table in a week or so with perhaps a new leader

Posted by: Kadath | Feb 28 2025 20:44 utc | 219

@ osi not ossi | Feb 28 2025 20:34 utc | 206
Nero springs to mind. This is just insane.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Feb 28 2025 20:47 utc | 220

Expect the US to use the entire weight of its system to go after Zelenskies stolen billions. Trump is going to pull back the curtains on the globalist Ukraine project.
Posted by: CullenBaker | Feb 28 2025 20:39 utc | 214
DOGE for Ukraine!
This is an astute move. Also consider the messaging for the accolades – “It is amazing to have a President and VP who put America First!” etc. Reinforcing differentiation from Biden/neocons. Nixon bought Vietnam because he didn’t understand branding as a tool.

Posted by: frithguild | Feb 28 2025 20:48 utc | 221

Kadath @218:
If the US shuts the Ukraine off cold turkey, can they even last a week?

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 28 2025 20:48 utc | 222

*meticulously sewing the most beautifully-ornate blanket to cover all the patrons here at the bar. Finishes the final stitch and stands up, laying the blanket on the ground. Urinates all over the blanket. Throws it on said patrons.*
“Staged.”
You all must know something about sports. The language of sports is universal.
Who is the first person management sacks when the tide of popular opinion is shifting against the team?
The coach of course.
Zelensky is done but soon after, Trump will up the ante in Ukraine under new coaching.
Watch out, Russia. Shit ain’t done by a longshot.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 28 2025 20:49 utc | 223

@149


The US is cutting off funding for NATO. All subsidies to the general fund and payments will be stopped as of February 28 of this year.

If this is for real, I’ll be drinking hard tonight. I’d never hoped to see that in my lifetime.

Posted by: Grasdackel | Feb 28 2025 20:50 utc | 224

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 28 2025 20:35 utc | 208
Heh, I expect to see a lot of globalist neo-cons auditioning for a remake of Scanners
’splodey-heads indeed…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 28 2025 20:51 utc | 225

@William Gruff | Feb 28 2025 20:37 utc | 209

This was all just performance art on Trump’s part to publicly build justification for the US to wash its hands of the whole affair.

I have to admit it sure looks like that is what happened.

Mission accomplished.
Now the Ukraine is well and truly cooked.

Yes, let it finally end so we can all return to reality.
I can already see EU and NATO circling the drain.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 28 2025 20:52 utc | 226

So now Trump has thrown zelenskys sorry ass out of the white house. Let’s see the usual suspects spin that one! Lmfao!

Posted by: nook | Feb 28 2025 20:53 utc | 227

NemesisCalling @ 222
I called it 2 weeks ago….
Trump is the new leader of antifa short for antifascism.
Peace man.
I hered Trump use that word.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 28 2025 20:55 utc | 228

@Mark2 | Feb 28 2025 20:37 utc | 210

Give Trump the Nobel peace award, already.

Two comments,
1. Let us see peace first, i.e. a new security arrangement in Europe
2. You don’t know the Norwegian Nobel committee

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 28 2025 20:55 utc | 229

“As I said…”, that should read.
Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 28 2025 20:37 utc | 212
___________
As you said.
Now what.

Posted by: osi not ossi | Feb 28 2025 20:55 utc | 230

Many of the opponents of Ukraine’s fascist government have hoped Trump would cut off US arms to Ukraine and hasten the end of the SMO. They are as enamored by Trump as the Ukrainians who thought the Banderites would deliver peace and prosperity. Trump has many aims in Ukraine. Personal enrichment. Recognition of his statesmanship. A Nobel Peace Price.

Posted by: Keme | Feb 28 2025 20:57 utc | 231

Publicly humiliating Zelensky, Starmer, Macron undermines their legitimacy, it undermines state authority, it undermines the elite’s importance. Trump likes to be mischievous, it’s endearing and he uses it, it draws in the crowd, but undermining the authority of the Atlanticist state project and engendering doubt in Ukraine’s population is not in the works. Zelensky et al are falling on their swords for a greater good, some reboot we are not aware of yet.
Zelensky has no agency, he’s a puppet, NATO is pulling his strings, and the USA owns NATO, ergo – Trump is pulling Zelesnky’s strings making him laugh and cry on cue. Here’s another one, if your money is in western banks, or you own assets, including property it can be frozen and confiscated at the drop of a hat, they can charge up tax irregularities wantonly, you can’t even hide money in Switzerland any more, the USA broke the Swiss on that, it’s not because they wanted to end global money laundering, it’s because they want to make sure no elite in the western financial system was safe from usa threats, blackmail, and control. Zelensky isn’t irking the man with a gun to his head, he’s playing his role as the black hat to white hat sheriff Trump.
Rare earths is just the current buzz word for a MAGA peanut gallery promised re-industrialization, there are no rare earths in Ukraine, the soviets would have exploited them, gallium, germanium, lithium, tungsten were all valuable back in the 1950s-90s, what there is is mostly east the the Dnieper, what is in Ukraine are rights to old fashioned resources like aluminium, gas & oil, grain, transit rights, and rights to important east-west port facilities, not all that much at least for all the 24/7 media blitz brouhaha, the media blitz is again, a tell.
Trump getting “control” of the “rare” “valuable” diamonds and rubies buried under Ukraine is necessary for Trump’s selling the reboot of the USA desperate grab on hegemony and WW3. Now President Art Of The Deal can escalate without breaking campaign promises, going before his constituency able to guarantee that unlike the stupid Biden bozos he’s fully collateralized, and then some, the billions he’ll be dumping into project Ukraine – it’s not tax money flushed down the toilet it’s a signed on the barrelhead damn good deal.
The USA and the EU aren’t losing the economic war to China and Russia, they’ve lost it, capital has been moving from west to east for four decades now, after 2008 bankruptcy of the entire west it’s become a tsunami. At this point the only way for the USA and the EU to stem the hemorrhage is to militarily destroy their supposed adversaries, or just accept reality and join the party – little bugaboo is that the western stock markets are a Ponzi scheme and will implode if ever more capital doesn’t keep pouring in, doesn’t take much to collapse a Ponzi.
Trump is going to keep marching forward just not at the front of a pink haired, rainbow, pussyfied woke army but an actual army of MAGA American working class men and women fooled into his better con.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 28 2025 20:58 utc | 232

Watch the whole thing.
Trump says: “You’re either going to make a deal or we’re out. And if we’re out, you’ll fight it out…You don’t have the cards.”
Trump’s thinking is 100% accurate. He knows Ukraine is losing. He knows the US can’t afford to continue. He doesn’t want a Kabul moment in Kiev. So he wants a deal.
This is not staged. Zelensky is visibly furious when Trump said the above. That is because Zelensky can’t sell a deal to the ultra nationalists in Ukraine.
Trump says, “I think we’ve seen enough.”
Now he can blame Ukraine’s refusal to negotiate.

Posted by: crumpchy | Feb 28 2025 20:59 utc | 233

https://x.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/1895549112440979908
Dmitry Medvedev on zelensky

Posted by: osi not ossi | Feb 28 2025 21:00 utc | 234

@Grasdackel | Feb 28 2025 20:50 utc | 223
This is incredible if it is real. Somehow I don’t dare to believe it.

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 28 2025 21:00 utc | 235

Trump is a madman. Trying to figure out his intent seems almost silly. He enjoys playing people off each other more than he does actually solving things. That’s his talent. Where the balls are going to land, we’ll have to see. He isn’t focused on it. He just lives in the moment. While his staff is indeed zoomed in and working diligently, they also disagree – and Trump enjoys that as well – so expect more mixed messaging.

Posted by: WG | Feb 28 2025 21:00 utc | 236

And, Trump just put Zelensky through the shredder like he did with Micron and Starmer. Rubio just said that the US is going to stop helping Ukraine keep its energy grid operational. This public outburst – to me – supports Doctorow’s and Mearsheimer’s position that the Trump administration is setting the US up to be able to walk away from the Ukraine quagmire without further damaging its own prestige – what little is left of it – while Rubio, Lavrov, and others hash out a peace agreement behind closed doors.

Posted by: Monos | Feb 28 2025 21:03 utc | 237

So where do we stand now after this Friday evening primetime show?
The Empire got what is best for it at the moment:
a) it got a simple exit without any further PR damage (did you see the US loose a war?) or internal discussions. Z is the one who doesn’t want peace, we’ve all seen it live on TV, haven’t you? 😉
b) there will be peace between the US & Russia. WW3 has been averted because the US (and therefore NATO) is out
c) the Europeans have been put in place: you’re on your own now and hey, Britain can do it, you’re strong, aren’t you?
d) the European leaders have been brainwashed long enough to be ultra-afraid of Russia so they will happily militarize now
What gives?
A local conflict which can easily be contained on the European continent and which can be re-fueled as soon as there’s a need. In the meantime both Russia and the EU are tied down and the EU is even paying the US for fresh weaponry.
Russia will still talk to the US to re-instate channels, embassies and maybe even some business. But it won’t get peace with Europe. It won the war but still has to finish it to get the prize of indivisible security.
That’s quite a good outcome for the Empire. It can focus on other priorities while not giving up control completely. There will still be a NATO to react to any unforeseen situations.
And if Z comes back to sign the deal then all the better: he will also pay for fresh weapons with minerals but the US is still kept out of the conflict.

Posted by: Zet | Feb 28 2025 21:04 utc | 238

Today’s White House meeting where Trump excoriates Zelensky convinced me it’s all theater, it’s 110% kayfabe. “Oh, look at Zelensky’s face!” Zelensky is a trained experienced actor, Trump beside being a flim-flam man his entire life is, BTW, also an experienced TV actor, they both have the chops to pull off this nice little melodrama. The public “humiliation” of Macron and Starmer fit right into this, the unusualness and excess of the last few days is the give away, the Trump spectacle seems fresh because the Biden show was such an unappealing flop, people confuse fresh with genuine. The elites stab each other in the back, in dark corridors, they don’t humiliate each other in public, that would attack their legitimacy and disempower them – a millennial old rule that is never broken.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Feb 28 2025 19:33 utc | 163

Agree. And with AI we get Trump and Netanyahu on the beach in Gaza. Reality is jumping the shark.

Posted by: freedom fritos | Feb 28 2025 21:05 utc | 239

BUT; Ursula Von Leyen has already offered support for Zelensky/Ukraine after the TV “reality show”.
So the EU commission, the Germans and the UK will now be called on to provide cash etc. etc.
Certain people are also saying that Zelenskys’ “act” was to be able pose as a victim of bullying, to elicit support.
US gets it’s way out. It will still sell arms to the Europeans.

Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 28 2025 21:06 utc | 240

European reactions seem to be going full retard on this. If it continues, expect Trump to cut off not just Ukraine but NATO. Europe really does seem to be insane and wants WW III. Trump does not want to be dragged into it. Got to cut off NATO. It will take congress to actually withdraw, but he can do all but actually withdraw with funding decisions.
I don’t think heretofore Russia has actually wanted to win this war because they don’t want a “Ukraine Project” for the next two decades and therefore, they’ve been begging for cooler heads to prevail and broker a peace. But Europe is intent upon destruction. So, to the extent he is able, Putin needs to kick this bitch into overdrive and end it before France or England gives Ukraine a nuke or something else as stupid.

Posted by: CullenBaker | Feb 28 2025 21:10 utc | 241

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Feb 28 2025 20:35 utc | 208.
I’m thinking pink, as in Pepto Bismol…

Posted by: Mary | Feb 28 2025 21:10 utc | 242

Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent this afternoon:
“You don’t negotiate with the president of the United States like you do now…[Zelenksy] has chosen to let things spiral downward on world television. I keep coming back to the disrespect for the American people.”
Blame assigned.
By contrast, European leaders are all gushing support for Ukraine tonight. Kallas says that “the free world needs a new leader. It’s up to us.”
European summit in London with Ukraine this weekend. Expect stupid decisions to be taken.

Posted by: crumpchy | Feb 28 2025 21:10 utc | 243

1. Let us see peace first, i.e. a new security arrangement in Europe
2. You don’t know the Norwegian Nobel committee
Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 28 2025 20:55 utc | 228

There is no Nobel Prize for comedy, we note.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Feb 28 2025 21:10 utc | 244

Posted by: Zet | Feb 28 2025 21:04 utc | 237

c) the Europeans have been put in place: you’re on your own now and hey, Britain can do it, you’re strong, aren’t you?

That’s actually something I (asa european) am afraid of, that would play well with the above quoted tweet about the US cutting all NATO funds. It may turn out that the US will still call the shots (of course) and also continue the ukrainian proxy war. Then, the public walking away is just for show. From here on, the europeans will have to pay and man the war against russia, but the orders will still be given from washington.
Europeans are brainwashed enough to swallow all that without a blink and germany has just had elections in which all parties that made it to the parliament are without exception pro-war and pro-defense-budget.

Posted by: Grasdackel | Feb 28 2025 21:11 utc | 245

So where do we stand now after this Friday evening primetime show?
Posted by: Zet | Feb 28 2025 21:04 utc | 237

Losing is winning. On stilts!

Posted by: too scents | Feb 28 2025 21:11 utc | 246

Trumps plan is simple, expose Ukraine and Western Europe as war mongers and negotiate a broad agreement with Russia.
Use Russian mediation to work out an agreement with Iran.
Last an agreement with China giving up US protection of Taiwan for a Chinese promise not to invade.

Posted by: Trimbly | Feb 28 2025 21:13 utc | 247

fyi the quote is as follows:
D. Medvedev: The insolent pig finally got a proper slap down in the Oval Office. And @realDonaldTrump is right: The Kiev regime is “gambling with WWIII.”
I’m just waiting for Zelensky to shout, “Say hello to my little fr’en!”
Goin’ out in a blaze of glory or whimpering in the corner? What does Vegas say about the odds here?

Posted by: NH | Feb 28 2025 21:13 utc | 248

If Trump’s a Ukraine supporter he’s a world class actor.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-shouting-match-oval-office
Zelenskyy tried to respond. Trump told him his country was in big trouble. He went on: “The problem is I’ve empowered you to be a tough guy and I don’t think you’d be a tough guy without the United States and your people are very brave. But, you’re either going to make a deal or we’re out. And if we’re out, you’ll fight it out and I don’t think it’s going to be pretty… But you’re not acting at all thankful, and that’s not a nice thing.”

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Feb 28 2025 21:14 utc | 249

Video: Full press conference

BREAKING NEWS: Trump And Zelensky Oval Office Meeting Ends In Utter Disaster In Front Of The Cameras (49 minutes)

Best parts at the end,

at 39 minutes

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Feb 28 2025 21:15 utc | 250

It will still sell arms to the Europeans.
Posted by: Stonebird | Feb 28 2025 21:06 utc | 239
And it doesn’t even have to ship them to Europe because they will built them over there but send money to the US – just look who owns all those enterprises now: BlackRock!

Posted by: Zet | Feb 28 2025 21:16 utc | 251

JD Vance also said Ukraine is forcing conscripts to the frontline. It’s official now, Ukronazi reich regime under the bus.

Posted by: unimperator | Feb 28 2025 21:17 utc | 252

Where does this whole episode leave Zelensky now? Much of the world, including Ukraine, has watched him having his nose rubbed in it, like a kitten that hasn’t yet learnt about the litter-box.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out within Ukraine; will the extremist neo-Nazi Banderite nutters turn on Zelly, or turn on US and European personnel embedded in the country, expressing a sense of betrayal?
Will factions opposed to Ze/Ermak feel emboldened to raise their profile and start agitating for a change, either by some form of electoral process or direct overthrow?
Do any oblast governors now feel confident enough to mobilise a power grab, snatching authority away from the Kiev junta?
“May you live in interesting times” is sometimes said to be a curse, difficult to argue with that at the moment.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 28 2025 21:21 utc | 253

That’s actually something I (asa european) am afraid of, that would play well with the above quoted tweet about the US cutting all NATO funds. It may turn out that the US will still call the shots (of course) and also continue the ukrainian proxy war. Then, the public walking away is just for show. From here on, the europeans will have to pay and man the war against russia, but the orders will still be given from washington.
Europeans are brainwashed enough to swallow all that without a blink and germany has just had elections in which all parties that made it to the parliament are without exception pro-war and pro-defense-budget.
Posted by: Grasdackel | Feb 28 2025 21:11 utc | 244
Yes, it all fits nicely; the Z show was the public big bang saying goodbye while the “cut NATO” rumors are the big bang hitting the EU at the exact same time and as crumpchy above tells us:
‘By contrast, European leaders are all gushing support for Ukraine tonight. Kallas says that “the free world needs a new leader. It’s up to us.” European summit in London with Ukraine this weekend. Expect stupid decisions to be taken.’
That’s a brilliant exit and a successful shift of the responsibility to Europe.
Now, how do we solve the popcorn problem? There will be much more fun in the coming days I guess… 🙂

Posted by: Zet | Feb 28 2025 21:23 utc | 254

Hate to tell you I told you so, but I told you so. About the USA civil war that is.
Forget Ukraine, the most important global event taking place is Trump and Trump alone.
If you don’t think that little two on one with Vance wasn’t practiced and rehearsed, well maybe you also don’t get the minerals deal.
The objective was to cast Z as the wrong party. If he hadn’t flown out, that would be the start point. But step 2 did occur, so they set him up for that confrontation and Trump’s follow up tweet.
For all the Trump haters, perhaps a revaluation is in order. He’s kicked Z to the curb, pulled off a peace deal with Russia, and defeated the pro war deep state especially with the announced audit of funds.

Posted by: Markw | Feb 28 2025 21:23 utc | 255

It looked to me like Trump was looking for a reason to flame Zelly and at the most humiliating moment.
But Zelensky is not easily embarrassed – will have a new piss deal by morning.
Something had cornered Trump into having to entertain this stupid deal.
Hopefully this buried it.
Now Trump needs to demonstrate the economic advantage of doing business with Russia.

Posted by: jared | Feb 28 2025 21:24 utc | 256

Here’s what really happened 😀
https://x.com/warintel4u/status/1895566463471427632

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 28 2025 21:26 utc | 257

The humane thing to do would be to make it impossible (as practical) for Ukraine to continue the war.

Posted by: jared | Feb 28 2025 21:27 utc | 258

@236 Monos
“…while Rubio, Lavrov, and others hash out a peace agreement behind closed doors.”
Ukraine + EU and UK are not for. If Ukraine does not accept Russian peace offer then it all continues.
Either Ukraine (via a new gov.) accepts Russian peace or renounces security guarantees, or EU gets involved – as it is now doing.
If none of those, then Ukraine fails and is over run by Russia.
The question is if EU is going to ‘pick up the baton’ and support further conflict.
Clearly that has already been decided, we just don’t know what the decision is yet.
Going by what EU has been saying recently, they are going to get involved.
Hopefully that is in coordination with Russia somehow. However the only way for EU to save face at all currently is to further the conflict. That would be useful to EU to frame a need for an expanded EU military etc.
This is therefore a potentially dangerous turn of events.
This is only the opening chapter of all of that I think.

Posted by: Ornot | Feb 28 2025 21:28 utc | 259

Now Trump needs to demonstrate the economic advantage of doing business with Russia.
Posted by: jared | Feb 28 2025 21:24 utc | 255

Trump is looking for a bagholder for sure, now that Zelensky is out.

Posted by: too scents | Feb 28 2025 21:28 utc | 260

William Gruff@209…Trump got his off ramp. He is now free to work a deal with Putin…..draw down US assets and let the EU have at it.
Cheers M
…private US contractors, MIC will still support the Ukraine misadventure, China plays both sides with drones and parts, bidness and all that racket….but it won’t have an official US stamp on it…..

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 28 2025 21:31 utc | 261

Fvck it’s beautiful to see a master stroke come together. Graham is now calling for Z to resign, while the Ukkie parliament is launching an impeachment.
One can only imagine the threats and negotiations that took place to get everything in place. My guess is starmer and macron are in it as well – that’s why they were in DC.

Posted by: Markw | Feb 28 2025 21:34 utc | 262

Hi Well Well well!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I watched most of the whole conference on a link supplied on this thread but which i now cannot find. it disappeared from my screen just as it got fiery.
Fascinating stuff. Watched Trump in action – quite an eye opener. First the conference went along as expected lots of nice words. Then when Z had his speech he amazingly stupidly treated trump like he was a stupid as an average journalist and showed Trump piccies of Russian alleged atrocities. Piccies I tell you, as if trump was some sort of moron that would be swayed by some photos. I watched Trump’s reaction which was cold anger, combined with boredom. I think Z lost the PR battle then.
Then came the press questions. Most were silly but Z started to lose his composure. Twitched much more. Trump as may be expected handled them smoothly kicking Biden when he could. he looked uncomfortable about free speech support from Vance.
Then Z started demanding security guarantees etc and Vance intervened. The rest is publicly available on BBC etc. Wow, just wow, wow, wow!!!!! Basically Z showed he was just a PR puppet with no capacity to negotiate. When asked by Vance if he would admit that Ukraine had problems he went into defensive denial. Stupid is as stupid does. All Z needed to do was to admit problems and saying they were having much success in dealing with them. Also earlier Trump said in usual PR style that many Ukrainian cities had been destroyed and flattened. Z accused the president of listening to Russian propaganda and said Ukrainian cities were all fine. I mean FFS even the US MSM shows pictures of flattened cities/towns.
We just witnessed a man removed from office in a public spectacle in a foreign land. Z just lost his position. I doubt he can ever return, except for a public resignation.

Posted by: watcher | Feb 28 2025 21:36 utc | 263

The US had waged the war against Russia since 2014 via those stupid Banderista …
They lost it.
Now, Trumps job is to get the US out of this mess, but it have to look like a “victory”. Putin agreed to that political need.
So – let Z destroy himself in front of the US public … and it is done.
Stupid EU will have to learn another lesson. It is meaningless.
But it will have to pay for what will be left as former Ukraine…

Posted by: ableman | Feb 28 2025 21:37 utc | 264

jared@255…..Trump played it well, not only threw Zman under the bus, Vance slammed it in reverse for good measure. I believe it was deliberate, on Trump’s part, exposed Zman as someone who is responsible for almost igniting WW3 (well helped by France, the UK and Germany) I think Trump gets to them later. He needs a deal with Putin, Zman just handed him his best opportunity.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 28 2025 21:37 utc | 265

Why ?
Because the monetary sovereign monopoly issuer of the $ is like a household?
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 28 2025 18:05 utc | 58
No. Because he and his billionaire friends can’t feast on Russia, now that they are defeated, so, they’ll feast on rump Ukraine.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Feb 28 2025 21:37 utc | 266

Clearly that has already been decided, we just don’t know what the decision is yet.
Going by what EU has been saying recently, they are going to get involved.
This is therefore a potentially dangerous turn of events.
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 28 2025 21:28 utc | 258
I agree and there’s ample evidence that Europe won’t back down. From the US building the largest military hospital out of the US in Germany, to the Kerosene pipeline to the East, to the US buying up the shares in European armament companies, to things like the German “Grünbuch” which details all the procedures to make Germany war-ready (“Kriegstüchtig” will be the word of 2025 here) and so on… this is a very dangerous moment now.

Posted by: Zet | Feb 28 2025 21:37 utc | 267

Anyone else expecting shortly a “Russians do something extremely terrible to EU or NATO” false flag by Z?
What other plays does he have left now? Desperation and indignance often makes people do stupid things.
Or will Z just do a runner and try to hide with his stolen loot? Probably won’t save him, but might be seen as his best option, as his Ceaușescu moment seems to be nearing.
Maybe China would take him in for half his stolen loot?
If Z thinks the EU will back him, he probably should ask “how and with what” before shaking any hands. What can they really provide at this point?

Posted by: saner | Feb 28 2025 21:39 utc | 268

Great to talk with
@realDonaldTrump
US & NATO are getting stronger. NATO Allies are moving quickly to invest more in defence. Big increases announced & others to follow.
On Ukraine, Allies are preparing billions more in aid + contributions to security guarantees

The above is from Rutte’s X account, yesterday. See

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Feb 28 2025 21:39 utc | 269

History happens very slowly and then all at once !
Thats what we just witnessed.
Remember to tell your grand children that you did your bit to end the war, on the front line of the ‘Great Moon of Alabama’
Anyone care to speculate on the end of sanctions ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 28 2025 21:39 utc | 270

@254 MarkW
I guess I would throw on the mantle of Trump-hater at this point. Though I don’t really hate him anymore than I do any other politician in this era.
But we have been burned a million times and so are naturally a little tentative when placing our trust in what we see from our political betters. Better to be a wounded human afraid of any touch than under the spell of Stockholm syndrome, I say.
Do we not have a right to be?
Why did we goad Russia to begin with?
I ask again: what are the stakes here if Russia wins-out and indeed they will?
You who are taking the surface of what is transpiring at face value think that the U.S. can just back-off and allow multipolarity: do you really think Trump can just fix this situation and we will live in a land of peaches and cream and gumdrops and cinnamon-sticks?
I wish what we were seeing was an actual seachange. But that I fear can only come when total disintegration of our central government occurs. They are not going down without a fight.
The liberal system under capitalism doesn’t have it.
The communists don’t have it, either.
So where does that leave us?

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Feb 28 2025 21:43 utc | 271

Narrative management alert:
Frankie Pope is being kept alive by artificial means, so what news event is coming up that needs swamping by obsessing about the colour of the smoke over the Vatican?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 28 2025 21:43 utc | 272

@ Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Feb 28 2025 21:39 utc | 268
I hope there will be a good documentary done of this whole affair – something for the kids to watch.
Should be done as something of a comedy.

Posted by: jared | Feb 28 2025 21:46 utc | 273

(clicked post by mistake)
Rutte’s comment
I enjoyed the unexpected show today, like everyone. My two cents:
1. Trump was really thinking over the past month to end the war in Ukraine, let the EU foot the bill, and focus on China.
2. Parts of the US machinery of course don’t. They created a whole “minerals deal”, an empty caveat for non-existing minerals, and put it in front of Trump to lure him into continued support.
3. Trump is chaotic, so he blew the whole thing, in cahoots with Vance, who is a China hawk, as is Rubio. Zelensky was on coke and has been too pampered, he didn’t expect to be outed like that.
4. Deal’s off for now. Expect possible reversal in two weeks, when the system will try once more to push Trump there. Then Trump will say he never threw his friend Zelensky out, as he said he never called him a dictator.
5. There’s no pattern or grand plan, but rather a continuous power struggle over US policy, hence the game is chaotic.
6. Trump’s words and deeds are not to be trusted, he can switch like that, and is most probably on the verge of psychosis. Putin knows he can’t be trusted, and is in any case temporary. Expect more military build up in Russia and China.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Feb 28 2025 21:52 utc | 274

Trump just kicked Zelinski out, sent him home without lunch, apparently the Whitehouse staffers will eat it…..just didn’t hear, “you’re fired”……
He told Tiny Dancer to go home.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Feb 28 2025 21:53 utc | 275

In the morning zel is going to wish today was all a bad dream.
His misses will not be happy, no nooky for zel for awhile, and the cat just took a dump in his slippers.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 28 2025 21:55 utc | 276

I see the National Review released something at just about the time that tweet was revealed.
“How Congress can reassure NATO without crossing Trump”
that was the most recent news search result.
Seemed indicative, considering the timing.
War with Canada and the EU?
Trump aint the only one holding grudges.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Feb 28 2025 21:55 utc | 277

‘This is HUGE. Zelensky’s Regime is Collapsing in Real Time’
https://x.com/CilComLFC/status/1895562770348982370
“Ukrainian MP Oleksandr Dubinsky just called for an Emergency Session of Ukraine’s Parliament to initiate IMPEACHMENT Proceedings against President Zelensky after the Oval Office shouting match…”
Perhaps. Kiev politics are anything but predictable.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Feb 28 2025 21:56 utc | 278

Rumour of Ukrainian MP calling for Zelensky impeachment

Posted by: Norwegian | Feb 28 2025 21:57 utc | 279

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Feb 28 2025 21:52 utc | 273
Interesting and valid points, however the underlying theme continues to be set by Russia:
Taking account of the facts on the ground”.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 28 2025 21:59 utc | 280

Entire episode set up as a TV production. Zelensky had to know this from beginning. His entire cabinet and administrative apparatus is the cast and crew of his old television show. Trump was pure WWF.
You won’t see Putin or Lavov walking onto the set of a WWF production. Trump will keep on in this vein when he has the opportunity. But, in his own words, he has no cards to play. Except against a loser comedian.

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 28 2025 21:59 utc | 281

Has anyone else noticed that the troll presence here has dropped to near zero after the USAID defenestration?
@ Judge Barbier | Feb 28 2025 20:43 utc | 217

OMG — and on all MoA threads, lately! Coincidence? You be the Judge.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Feb 28 2025 21:59 utc | 282

Badman Theory
A Tale of Three Quagmires: Korea, Vietnam, Ukraine—and Three Theories to End War. From Eisenhower’s Good Cop/Bad Cop to Nixon’s Madman to Trump’s Badman Theory.
https://www.beyondwasteland.net/p/badman-theory

Posted by: KevinB | Feb 28 2025 21:59 utc | 283

Impeachment… that’l be a euphamisum.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 28 2025 22:00 utc | 284

Mark Carney
https://x.com/MarkJCarney/status/1895567118537801798
“Freedom and democracy are always worth fighting for. Slava Ukraini.”
Former UK/Canada central bankster, Bilderberger, President of Chatham House, Sr Partner Goldman-Sachs – currently running for the leadership of Liberal Party of Canada. Next PM?
And, obviously, a supporter of Nato-Nazism in Ukraine.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Feb 28 2025 22:03 utc | 285

now its on the people in the eu/uk/canada to stop their autocratic nazi-loving regimes from going full retard.
but who am i kidding. they will all sit at home, watching netflix and browsing instantgramm, and feign ignorance.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Feb 28 2025 22:06 utc | 286

A local conflict which can easily be contained on the European continent and which can be re-fueled as soon as there’s a need. In the meantime both Russia and the EU are tied down and the EU is even paying the US for fresh weaponry.
Posted by: Zet | Feb 28 2025 21:04 utc | 237
But Russia has always spoken about danger of war in Europe, that is an exact quote. Not once they talked about anyone else and they never dare to speak about US. Last time someone said bad things about US he ended blown up. So your theory with ww3 avoided is false, there was never any danger, it was only Russia being thrown in third world but you thought they would fight something. In short, the forever war continues and Zeli is a simple actor, as always. That’s just how life is in the two banana republics and soon the EU banana.

Posted by: rk | Feb 28 2025 22:06 utc | 287

rk lying has been on a roll lately.

Posted by: boneless | Feb 28 2025 22:09 utc | 288

“Taking account of the facts on the ground”.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Feb 28 2025 21:59 utc | 279
Indeed, it is only the Ukrainian defeat on the battlefield, conclusive, undeniable and irreversible, that can settle this and create a new European security architecture.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Feb 28 2025 22:10 utc | 289

Yesterday Zet wrote

Trump just dealt Russia a devastating blow
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/02/27/minerals-deal-ukraine-russia/
Posted by: Zet | Feb 27 2025 15:45 utc | 16

That didn’t age well.

Posted by: Passerby | Feb 28 2025 22:11 utc | 290

I said yesterday that this meeting had the potential to be a disaster for the Nazis in Kieve……….and guess what, Volo the Little Dictator, just signed his own death or exile warrant, take you pick.
Trump and Vance after Volo’s uncontrolled outburst, dragged him about the Oval Office like a wolf with a rabbit…..Volo is a moron, no doubt.
He enters the WH and insults POTUS and VPOTUS…..not a good look. Volo is now history, he does not know it yet but he is history….time to flee to Haifa with his stolen billions in US cash………

Posted by: tobias cole | Feb 28 2025 22:15 utc | 291

only Russia being thrown in third world
Posted by: rk | Feb 28 2025 22:06 utc | 286

“highly educated” poster.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Feb 28 2025 22:16 utc | 292

Volo was unceremoniously thrown out of the WH today….a new first…again Volo is just so dumb……now the interesting stuff starts…..
Who is plotting in Kieve as we speak….????

Posted by: tobias cole | Feb 28 2025 22:18 utc | 293

Posted by: KevinB | Feb 28 2025 21:59 utc | 282
Jamaicans know a lot about the badman theory.
Vybz Kartel – Real BadMan (Gaza World Riddim)
I had it in the background as I was watching the Donald and Zelensky. It worked well.
The piano player is really on a roll. Didn’t he sanction Kolomoisky a few days ago? I would post Cabaret Voltaire performing Do the Mussolini Headkick, but I think I have already done that. Amazing how it seems to come back in style every so often.

Posted by: lex talionis | Feb 28 2025 22:18 utc | 294

Mark Carney
https://x.com/MarkJCarney/status/1895567118537801798
“Freedom and democracy are always worth fighting for. Slava Ukraini.”
Former UK/Canada central bankster, Bilderberger, President of Chatham House, Sr Partner Goldman-Sachs – currently running for the leadership of Liberal Party of Canada. Next PM?
And, obviously, a supporter of Nato-Nazism in Ukraine.”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Feb 28 2025 22:03 utc | 284
Yes, Carney is about as close to the Anti-Christ as possible in human form:
Bankster, Wokester, Goldman Sach Partner, Globalist, Soros Ally. Unelected-and his worst crime-when he was the Canadian Central banker in the oughts he sold Canadian all our gold reserves at $400 an ounce.
Fucking prick…
The good news is that he will be PM for about 45 days for the election is called and he is toast.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 28 2025 22:19 utc | 295

Posted by: oldhippie | Feb 28 2025 21:59 utc | 280
You produce excellent comments on many events-however, in this instance your TDS destroys your usual steel, trap mind.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 28 2025 22:21 utc | 296

100,000,s or ukrainian refugees in britain dont want to go back, war or not.

Posted by: Mark2 | Feb 28 2025 22:23 utc | 297

Could Trump give the same treatment to Rutte and Netanyahu? Then he could finally get all the love he seeks!

Posted by: Minaa | Feb 28 2025 22:23 utc | 298

Zelenskiy is fucked:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1895574080302338148

Posted by: Apollyon | Feb 28 2025 22:26 utc | 299

Ukraine is the new South Vietnam, the new Afghanistan, the new … The US oligarchy have come to the conclusion that they cannot impose their will upon Russia via the Ukraine proxy war and sanctions. So it is time to cut bait and move on. Zelensky should be happy that he has not been rubbed out already, and just accept his fate as a rich asshole in whichever country he is allowed to go to. To help him get the message the US is now very visibly cutting support, he should just resign and quietly enjoy his stolen money. If he doesn’t its jail or 6 feet under.
The European vassals will just have to deal with it, while whining and complaining. There is no way that they can take on Russia without their big brother the US. The big brother has moved on. I see that Kaja Kallas was shown her place for her impudence. The public beatings will continue until these non-entities learn their place.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 28 2025 22:26 utc | 300