Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
February 1, 2025
Rubio: “It’s not normal for the world to have a unipolar power.”

President Joe Biden showed a lunatic believe of being 'the leader of world'. He cherished the extension of the 'unilateral moment' when the U.S., after the breakdown of the Soviet Union, could act globally without restrictions and without fear of consequences.

There is some dread abroad that President Donald Trump, with his boarish demanding style of negotiation, would also follow that view.

But Trump's choice as Secretary of State, former Senator Marco Rubio, is offering a different perspective. In an extensive interview with Megyn Kelly, Rubio is doing away with the unilateral moment and starts to endorse multipolarity.

He is asked for his big picture overview:

QUESTION: It’s such a tricky time to be Secretary of State, especially as a Republican, because you look at the Republican Party and it’s fractured internally about where we should be on foreign policy. […] So how – just give me the 30,000-foot-level view of how you’re going to navigate that fracture.

Rubio seems to have thought quite a bit about this. Foreign policy as practiced over the last years, he says, has lost its focus:

I think the mission of American foreign policy – and this may sound sort of obvious, but I think it’s been lost. The interest of American foreign policy is to further the national interest of the United States of America, right? [..]

[A]nd that’s the way the world has always worked. The way the world has always worked is that the Chinese will do what’s in the best interests of China, the Russians will do what’s in the best interest of Russia, the Chileans are going to do what’s in the best interest of Chile, and the United States needs to do what’s in the best interest of the United States. Where our interests align, that’s where you have partnerships and alliances; where our differences are not aligned, that is where the job of diplomacy is to prevent conflict while still furthering our national interests and understanding they’re going to further theirs. And that’s been lost.

To recognize that the other side is pursuing its own (at least subjectively legitimate) interests is indeed what had been lost at the basis of U.S. diplomacy.

Rubio expands on that:

And I think that was lost at the end of the Cold War, because we were the only power in the world, and so we assumed this responsibility of sort of becoming the global government in many cases, trying to solve every problem. And there are terrible things happening in the world. There are. And then there are things that are terrible that impact our national interest directly, and we need to prioritize those again. So it’s not normal for the world to simply have a unipolar power. That was not – that was an anomaly. It was a product of the end of the Cold War, but eventually you were going to reach back to a point where you had a multipolar world, multi-great powers in different parts of the planet. We face that now with China and to some extent Russia, and then you have rogue states like Iran and North Korea you have to deal with.

That is a great (if very late) insight from a U.S. secretary for foreign policy.

The Biden administration had overextended the unilateral moment by underestimating Russia. It had launched the proxy-war in Ukraine because it had thought that Russia was weak. It limited technical exports to China because it thought that would hinder its development. It was so blind that it came to believe that it was successful in this.

In an exit interview with the Financial Times Biden's national security advisor Jake Sullivan is still making those claims (archived):

“Our alliances are stronger than they’ve been in a very long time. Our competitors and adversaries are weaker too in ways that have defied expectations, certainly with China. And we’ve produced that very strong American hand without getting entangled in war overseas,” [Sullivan] argues.

People with clear eyes have a different view. Since the U.S. started its proxy-war in Ukraine, which that country is losing, Russia has nearly tripled its forces. The former British commodore Steve Jermy asserts that NATO would lose in a conflict with it:

In summary, NATO is positioning itself as Europe’s defender, yet lacks the industrial capacity to sustain peer-to-peer warfighting, is wholly dependent on U.S. forces for the remotest chance of success, is unable satisfactorily to defend its sea lines of communication against Russian submarine, or its training and industrial infrastructure against strategic ballistic bombardment, is comprised of a diverse mix of un-bloodied conventional forces, and lacks the capacity to think and act strategically.

An easy NATO victory cannot be assumed, and I am afraid that the opposite looks far more likely to me.

Sullivan's 'success' in limiting China's progress has also defeated itself (archived):

China policy, [Sullivan] adds, was another achievement. “America is in a demonstrably better position in the long-term competition with China than we were, and yet we did it while stabilising the relationship and finding areas to work together.”

He says the US and China are in a “decisive decade” that will determine which comes out ahead in key areas such as artificial intelligence and the transition to a clean energy economy. “Four out of those 10 years in the decisive decade . . . [have] turned in America’s favour in a really significant way,” says Sullivan, adding that the export controls the US imposed on high-end chips and manufacturing equipment have had a “demonstrable impact”.

They indeed had a demonstrable impact. Lacking access to U.S. made tools China set out to make its own, better ones:

Days after our lunch, a Chinese company called DeepSeek stunned Silicon Valley by unveiling an AI model that appears to rival US models. After the news broke, I emailed Sullivan to get his reaction. He says it shows that the US needs to “stay on our game” but he is “still confident in the American lead” in AI. He stresses that it “only reinforces” his view on the importance of export controls.

China has in fact blown up the U.S. idea of having expensive to use, privately owned AI models closed off from public scrutiny. It open-sourced its own better models which can now be used for mere pennies. There is no longer an 'American lead' in this field.

Rubio seems to have understood that unilateral behavior has failed and that a multilateral world requires to pragmatically compromise:

So now more than ever we need to remember that foreign policy should always be about furthering the national interest of the United States and doing so, to the extent possible, avoiding war and armed conflict, which we have seen two times in the last century be very costly.

[N]ow you can have a framework by which you analyze not just diplomacy but foreign aid and who we would line up with and the return of pragmatism. And that’s not an abandonment of our principles. I’m not a fan or a giddy supporter of some horrifying human rights violator somewhere in the world. By the same token, diplomacy has always required us and foreign policy has always required us to work in the national interest, sometimes in cooperation with people who we wouldn’t invite over for dinner or people who we wouldn’t necessarily ever want to be led by. And so that’s a balance, but it’s the sort of pragmatic and mature balance we have to have in foreign policy.

There are many foreign policy points in Rubio's long interview I wholeheartedly disagree with.

But I am delighted to see that he gets the basic principal right: the U.S. has interests; so do others(!); surviving requires compromise.

Comments

“…as Kissinger said…”
I don’t know if he said the following but I’d like to add something in relation to AI:
Kissinger:
“Control the Food, control the People. Control the Energy, control the Continents. Control the Money, control the World.”
I would add: “Control the Data, control the Individual”
And that is probably the logic behind Project Stargate and other US AI shenanigans. It just all would add up so nicely: you are in control of the future workforce (AI + robots) plus you are in control of every human being by “encouraging them to display their best behavior” as Ellison of Oracle envisions.
Probably the final puzzle piece for real Full Spectrum Dominance down to the very single one of us.
And that should remind every one of us: we have to be part of the resistance. It’s not only Russia, Iran or China fighting for sovereignty – it’s all of us!

Posted by: Zet | Feb 2 2025 0:45 utc | 101

Thanks to those whose replies I missed. I see definite movement in thought from Team Biden to Team Trump. One thought I had was Trump’s intentionally moving slow to test Deep State reactions to his trial balloons, particularly removing troops from Syria again. How his meeting with Netanyahu goes will also be critical. As the Judge said and I agree, I doubt Trump wants to be known as/called Genocide Don. We’re almost two weeks in and most will admit none of what’s transpired was predictable in its specifics. We knew the bluster would come, but not the words it would contain.

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 2 2025 0:52 utc | 102

Sheesh Rubio was right there with the neocons and now he does an about face. Give me a break. They all r liars

Posted by: Michelle | Feb 2 2025 0:58 utc | 103

Does he know he’s contradicting himself or is it the common American double-tongued approach?
All the talk of not wanting more war, focus on US interests, etc…
And then the “who we would line up with” sentence.
Wouldn’t that “lining up with” be exactly to have a stronger position for more war?
Let’s say with Russia, who they hate, to go against the bigger threat China.
Exactly like they did in WW2, where they hated the Soviets but “lined up with them pragmatically” against Germany.
And the biggest contradiction lies in the fact that looking out for American interest is synonym with war and interventions as usual.
They have no other possible choice. They can not compete in a global economy.
They get their wealth from the unfair dollar advantage, rigging the game with their ‘rules based order’ exceptionalism but mostly vulgar pillaging of other countries and violence.
All these things are slowly being dismantled by the new world.
Only the last of these points will remain.
But this in less and less places as the competition is rapidly taking over and the piece of cake and resources will get even smaller.

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Feb 2 2025 1:01 utc | 104

karlof1@052 Feb2
Seems like most commentators on various platforms are still holding fire regarding Trump…excepting, of course, the most heavily ideological on a partisan basis.
Thus, the suspense mounts.
His bombastical approach masks a more nuanced patterning, as he tests the waters and weighs his potential power and that of his appointees. Rubio’s relatively mild stance to date indicates that he is closely attentive to Trump’s drift.
From the get-go, Trump has projected a somewhat balanced but still pro-Zionist course on international affairs. At the same time he appears to cater to his base on a plurality and possibly majority direction.
At this point, I’d give him a D+ on foreign policy along with a C+ to B- on domestic policies. However, the balls still in spin. Nothing can be viewed as etched in granite to date.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 2 2025 1:05 utc | 105

In Classic U.S. style, Trump just formally applied Tariffs of 25% onto BFF Canada, except Energy, Oil, Gas, Electricity is limited to 10%.
And there is a proviso, if Canada retaliates in any manner, the Tariffs increase.
Classic monomaniac, “If you cry out when I beat you, then I will beat you harder.
I knew Canada was lost, when NAFTA was signed. No more bilateral trade, negotiated by both sides, just U.S. Corporate plucking of the National Assets of other countries.
If Canada does not declare a National Emergency and construct oil and gas pipelines into Eastern Canada, a starving, beaten Prisoner will be the least of her worries.
Not going to survive an invasion, but Sniper Schools are a practical option.
Rotten Criminal Biden to low-IQ, insomniac Trump.

Posted by: kupkee | Feb 2 2025 1:12 utc | 106

Sun of Alabama@2318 Feb 1
It’s highly unlikely that the Collective Wa$te will be able to cause much of a stir in the governance of the BRICS nations. My sense is that a unity+ confidence vibe is circulating in those nations.
However, when we consider the EU states, upcoming elections will rub Brussels raw. The controls mechanism is getting shaky and more of those nationals are wondering just who it is that pulls the strings in the EU bureaucracy. Respect for their administrators is dwindling rapidly.
Modi is catching the drift, along with his appreciation of Russian energy incomes…also Russian willingness to allow and even encourage high-end specialists to enter their workforce. The Modi/Putin interface shows a smily-face…and most probably not a fake one. Lula is a bit vulnerable, as Brazilian politics appears to be a can of worms. However, he has recovered from internal adversity in an earlier incarnation and evidently has toughened up a bit. Much will hinge upon the price of coffee and other economic factors.
Economically, Euro nations are beginning to cough blood. Much will hinge upon the German election, particularly in getting the Green Demons totally out of the picture.

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 2 2025 1:24 utc | 107

And if you feel that you can’t go on
And your will’s sinkin’ low
Just believe, and you can’t go wrong
In the light you will find the road
You will find the road

Posted by: Siddhartha | Feb 2 2025 1:28 utc | 108

mmm just words, we will see. Many years ago Dick Cheney once said that America was not a warlike nation. That was a coffee spitting moment for me. We will soon see if Rubio’s words have any diplomatic weight.

Posted by: yarpos | Feb 2 2025 1:58 utc | 109

Given Rubio’s ultra-right wing Republican history, I would say this is just a ploy. Rubio makes it sound sweet to those countries seeking multipolarity, but anyone who trusts what he says, as if it is the new government’s stated policy, will be unsuspectingly pounced on by Trump. Trump has been enforcing unipolar dominance since he has been in office, so Rubio’s view is completely contradictory.

Posted by: George | Feb 2 2025 2:00 utc | 110

This is terrible. You all do realize that this means we will be unable to shoot American fascistS in Canada as they bomb us into rubble. We were all hoping for a repeat of the War of 1812.
“And the white house burned, burned, burned.
And we’re the ones that did it,
It burned, burned, burned.
While the president ran and cried,
It burned, burned, burned.
And things were very historical,
And the Americans ran and cried like a bunch of little babies WaWaWa
In the war of 1812.”
Sung by the Arrogant Worms.
https://youtu.be/WVC677-YmfM?si=ieVbGTA9Lsd_5Ap_

Posted by: David G Horsman | Feb 2 2025 2:08 utc | 111

Posted by: BurnEye | Feb 1 2025 22:29 utc | 78
Thanks for an intelligent comment. may npot be the whole of the story but it makes sense.

Posted by: watcher | Feb 2 2025 2:16 utc | 112

Posted by: BurnEye | Feb 1 2025 22:29 utc | 78
Burnteye, Karlofi and others
My thinking is that Rubio, not being totally stupid and aiming to be the next president is moving to the centre and to realism.
Probably he has actually listened and absorbed some of the military briefings (as has Trump) and realises that Ukraine is a lost cause and is looking for a way out. This comment is consistent with the idea that Russia has some right to feel secure on its home territory and hence opens the way for a meaningful peace deal ie one that recognises Russia’s fear of NATO on its borders.
Secondly Rubio (and possibly Trump) have swallowed the bitter pill to realise that US military supremacy is no longer a given. China is more powerful and growing and the USA has no chance of recovering in the near future (if ever). So what then is actually in the best interests of the USA. Well just like for Russia, the near borders need protection. Canada seems odd to attack given how friendly they are, but Greenland makes a lot of strategic sense, especially if Europe is essentially abandoned. Mexico and the Caribbean and indeed all of South America once again have become the USA’s strategic priority. Panama is critical, for access of USA navy and supplies between the Atlantic and Pacific, ready for the probable war with China.
I am as yet uncertain whether Trump and co will hasten war with China or draw back and secure the home region. Much depends on the ability to split Russia and China. Unlikely just now but the future is always uncertain.

Posted by: watcher | Feb 2 2025 2:36 utc | 113

@ watcher | Feb 2 2025 2:36 utc | 113
the idea that the usa doesn’t have to be always thinking ”war” is a type of oxymoron i suppose… is that the whole premise of the usa, and without it, the nation falls apart? even in your post you’ve highlighted the need to go to war with china… when does this 24/7 obsession with war ever end with the usa?? is there any other possibilities??

Posted by: james | Feb 2 2025 2:56 utc | 114

Thanks to those whose replies I missed. I see definite movement in thought from Team Biden to Team Trump. One thought I had was Trump’s intentionally moving slow to test Deep State reactions to his trial balloons, particularly removing troops from Syria again. How his meeting with Netanyahu goes will also be critical. As the Judge said and I agree, I doubt Trump wants to be known as/called Genocide Don. We’re almost two weeks in and most will admit none of what’s transpired was predictable in its specifics. We knew the bluster would come, but not the words it would contain.
Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 2 2025 0:52 utc | 102
Thanks for this, karlof1. A lot of Trump’s bluster is, or might be assumed to be, tactical. My latest watch is the Mercouris/Diesen/Crooke dialogue linked here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8EPJuyptqQ
Alistair Crooke gives an expanded analysis early in this video of what he thinks is in the method/madness of Trump. In an earlier conversation he had wondered if Trump might be indicating in some of his more outrageous statements that he was putting forward extreme neocon/neolib ideas in order to garner attention and/or time
while intending to do something different. What it is is a sort of ‘shock and awe’tactic.
It’s sort of the reverse tactic to what the hegemon does pretending to be all for democratic values while doing the opposite. As I have been saying for some time.
He knows (and only he actually knows) what he is doing. Or I should say, not only he knows, but it has been important to ‘lay low’ and keep some people guessing. That was what I worried about earlier, that we perhaps shouldn’t reveal the tactic before it had a chance to work. A fox laying a false trail, then doubling back, so to speak. (At least, foxes did that in some of the nature stories I read as a child.)

Posted by: juliania | Feb 2 2025 3:05 utc | 115

Blinken, back in October, was concerned that a few countries “are determined to alter the foundational principles of the international system. While their forms of governance, ideologies, interests, and capabilities differ, these revisionist powers all want to entrench autocratic rule at home and assert spheres of influence abroad.”. .here
Revisionist — Washington likes that term. He didn’t add that the US, and especially the Congress, is dead set against communism in China. Communist Vietnam is okay, ‘cuz they whipped the US and may be used against China. The Congress won’t even refer to China, but to CCP — the Chinese Communist Party. The country doesn’t even exist but the commies do, and they must deserve US attention.
Trump would be following a rough time if he didn’t agree with this Congress-strong situation.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Feb 2 2025 3:44 utc | 116

The homeland will increasingly resemble a third world country as the oligarchy ramp up their rentier profiteering.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Feb 1 2025 19:36 utc | 36
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Will the “first world” shift to Russia and China?
Is there a “second world”?

Posted by: Jane | Feb 2 2025 3:46 utc | 117

Posted by: james | Feb 2 2025 2:56 utc | 114
Very true
I think it all comes down to an assessment of “will we win.” Now to date the USA has not been successful in guessing right, but all the recent wars have been against weak and distant nations. Proxy wars certainly but not existential threats to the USA. Not even WWI and II. Losses did not matter much.
However China is a new adversary. The USA may choose to disengage and look after its own borders. China and Russia may accept this. The USA would effectively shrink to a regional not global power. In this it is simply following the path set out before it of former world hegemons Ottomans, Spain, France, and UK.
My guess is that in the end the military voice will dominate over the political one and the USA will withdraw, but I may well be wrong and then WWIII here we come. The regional wars with Mexico, Canada, Venezuela and Panama would not count a WWIII any more that the Middle east or Ukrainian wars.

Posted by: watcher | Feb 2 2025 3:48 utc | 118

Some legal context to Trump’s tariff edicts from a Brookings Institute player:
“…U.S. courts will likely have to rule this year on whether a president can impose tariffs under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), a 1977 statute that provides the president with extensive powers to address national emergencies. Although IEEPA has never been used to impose tariffs, President Trump and his advisers have repeatedly indicated that they see IEEPA as a potential legal basis for their expansive tariff ambitions.
“For Trump, IEEPA’s appeal is clear: Unlike most laws that delegate authority over trade to the president, IEEPA requires minimal procedural hurdles. President Biden, for example, used IEEPA to bring sweeping sanctions into force on Russia within hours of Russia invading Ukraine. By contrast, the first Trump administration took 11 months in 2017 and 2018 to implement its first tariffs on China, pursuant to Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974. Trade laws generally require that tariffs target specific countries or specific products, creating challenges to Trump’s stated goal of imposing a 10 percent or 20 percent “universal” tariff. IEEPA, if it authorizes tariffs, potentially allows Trump to tariff the world within days…
“The Arguments Against IEEPA Authorizing Tariffs
Article 1, Section 8, of the Constitution gives Congress authority to set tariffs and to regulate commerce with foreign nations. The president’s power to impose tariffs thus arises from authorities delegated to him by Congress. Despite presidents’ extensive use of IEEPA over the decades and the courts’ general deference, there are a number of arguments against reading it to provide the president with the power to impose tariffs.
“The first of these is a plain reading of the statute. The powers IEEPA provides in 50 U.S.C. are, by their text, quite broad. These include the power to, “by means of instructions, licenses of otherwise,” “investigate, regulate, or prohibit,” any foreign exchange transactions; payments or transfers of credit that involve a foreign country or national; and the import or export of currency or securities. They also authorize the president to “investigate, regulate, … prevent or prohibit, any acquisition, holding … use, transfer, withdrawal, transportation, importation or exportation of, or dealing in … any property in which a foreign country or foreign national has an interest.” This language empowers the president to prohibit or limit the import or export of goods—the basis for the long-standing use of IEEPA to impose trade embargoes.
“Notably, however, this list does not explicitly include the power to “tariff” or to “tax.”…”
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-case-against-ieepa-tariffs
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Create chaos and damn the repercussions for ordinary people…megalomaniacs can justify anything ‘cause they are doin’ good for the greater cause in their rarified thinking, doncha know…

Posted by: suzan | Feb 2 2025 3:49 utc | 119

I wonder if everyone could now go back and view Trump’s appearance at Davos, ‘eyes wide open’– as on a very good Next Generation Startrek Captain Picard had to do, befriending an alien whose language was oriented in a totally different way from his own. Notice, please, how comfortably assertive Trump was in an environment alien to many of us; and notice also how respectful those Davos ‘natives’ were towards him.

Posted by: juliania | Feb 2 2025 3:56 utc | 120

@ ludovic
How, exactly, does pointing out zionazi brass ignoring the spotters’ reports classify as ‘woke’?
Posted by: motorslug | Feb 1 2025 19:52 utc | 43
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I can’t speak for Lud, but I thought he meant that blaming the failure of top brass to heed these young women’s warnings on male chauvinism or some other victim narrative (women as victims of male disrespect is the “woke” aspect) is cover for the real reason: the top brass ignored the warnings because they already knew of the impending action, knew that the reports were correct, and intended to let the attack take place.
So they pretended to “ignore” the young women —any made-up reason, such as disrespecting women, will do. It is of course absurd. These and other women in the Israeli Army are highly trained.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 2 2025 3:57 utc | 121

I see definite movement in thought from Team Biden to Team Trump. One thought I had was Trump’s intentionally moving slow to test Deep State reactions to his trial balloons, particularly removing troops from Syria again. How his meeting with Netanyahu goes will also be critical. As the Judge said and I agree, I doubt Trump wants to be known as/called Genocide Don. We’re almost two weeks in and most will admit none of what’s transpired was predictable in its specifics. We knew the bluster would come, but not the words it would contain.
Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 2 2025 0:52 utc | 102
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I agree.
Re Netanyahu, As I have said previously, I speculate that Trump will in some way force Net to acknowledge that he is alpha dog.
Wwhy did Trump air the Sachs interview on Truth Social? As a hint ?
It sounds like maybe, just maybe, Witkoff was actually shocked by what he saw on the ground in Gaza.
Personally I think Trump’s comments about clearing the Pals out of Gaza and sending them to Egypt, etc. was the stupidest thing he has said since Jan. 20. Not only most obnoxious but also most stupid.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 2 2025 4:07 utc | 122

Will the “first world” shift to Russia and China?
Is there a “second world”?
Posted by: Jane | Feb 2 2025 3:46 utc | 117
The first world means western countries. Second world refers to countries in the soviet bloc. Third world refers to non aligned countries of which China is a part of. The terms were made in the context of the cold war.
I often see these terms misused as a descriptor of developmental status. It’s not unlike the usage of the term “woke” by the MAGA crowd.

Posted by: Autumn | Feb 2 2025 4:23 utc | 123

I’m guessing that about half of Trump voters are sick of war and that was why they voted for him. The rest are Christian Zionists who are all about Israhell good, Iran bad.
If what Rubio said was even remotely true, sanctions on Russia would be removed, the proxy war ended, the talk of conquering Canada, Panama and Greenland, absent.
I’ve long since learned that what a politician says during their candidacy is all bullshit,meant to get votes. Trump and his Admin are no different. Actually, the only difference is the approach. Trump much prefers economic warfare to outright military conflict, however his first term was filled with it. Regime change in Bolivia, bombing Afghanistan, Syria (based on lies),sending weapons to Ukraine, and trying 3 times to regime change Venezuela, bombing Yemen and of course the major ass kissing to Israhell. Trump is part and parcel of the GENOCIDER politicians, with his disgusting talk about moving Palestinians.
So, despite the moment of feigned insight by Rubio, I have zero doubt that our politicians have hardly given up their unpolarity conquests.

Posted by: Kay | Feb 2 2025 4:40 utc | 124

“The interest of American foreign policy is to further the national interest of the United States of America, right?”
Really? I thought it was to further the national interests of Israel.

Posted by: ebear | Feb 2 2025 4:42 utc | 125

*** aristodemos @105
Trump has projected a somewhat balanced but still pro-Zionist course on international affairs
***********
Yes, I be interested to see if Trump is Make America First or Make Zionism First?
I think the tarrif standoff with Canada and Mexico will be resolved by closer cooperation and coordination mogration policies and a new NAFTA initiative.
Make NAFTA Great Again!!
Hey, whose with me on this one?
OK, just remember you have until Tuesday to be Great Again.

Posted by: Jerr | Feb 2 2025 4:44 utc | 126

@ watcher | Feb 2 2025 3:48 utc | 118
thanks… it would be very good if the usa decided to disengage and look after its own borders as you suggest.. and i hope you are right about the other part too! hope springs eternal! and i like that..

Posted by: james | Feb 2 2025 4:59 utc | 127

Personally I think Trump’s comments about clearing the Pals out of Gaza and sending them to Egypt, etc. was the stupidest thing he has said since Jan. 20. Not only most obnoxious but also most stupid.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 2 2025 4:07 utc | 122
Why? Should those people be forced to live in rubble for the next 15 years? That’s absurd. Trump is pointing out the obvious. Since they are refugees in a war zone they have the right to seek refuge in other countries and should not be forced to stay in Gaza. Most of them are from Egypt and Jordan anyway.
Posted by: John Wick | Feb 2 2025 4:32 utc | 125
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Trump said zero about Palestinians’ “rights”!!!
That is almost funny!
Have any of our Western leaders EVER uttered the words “Palestinians’ rights”??
Trump was talking about forced displacement, aka ethnic cleansing, and stealing their territory, emptied of them, in order to develop it.

Posted by: Jane | Feb 2 2025 5:10 utc | 128

I feel late to the party but what a shit show party we have here, eh?
The Western media will never question either Trump nor Rubio on their “radical” statements….the “problem” is that other nation negotiators will remember.
If a resolution to US dollar hegemony is not on the table, we are not getting anywhere.
Reuters has a posting title
Exclusive: U.S. wants Ukraine to hold elections following a ceasefire, says Trump envoy
This seemingly sounds like a response to the Putin press talk about Z not being legitimate but the ceasefire hook will probably not go down too well with Russia….will it?
All the Trump shit is too enhance global negotiation room and test boundaries…..this is a geopolitical WWE event in Trump’s mind.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 2 2025 5:46 utc | 129

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 2 2025 5:46 utc | 131
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Putin is shrewd. Forcing an election will weaken Zelensky before any negotiations happen as he will have to compete and withstand attacks/criticisms from other candidates.
Trump loves winners and abhors being seen near a loser.
I also think Trump is stalling for time as he is getting his house in order before he tries to do very much internationally.
He’s got to sell an end to the war to the Neocons, if Zelensky struggles to stay in power, and Putin realizes his maximalist goals in the meantime too bad, so sad.
Whoops, looks like the war ended…

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 2 2025 6:00 utc | 130

…This seemingly sounds like a response to the Putin press talk about Z not being legitimate but the ceasefire hook will probably not go down too well with Russia….will it?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 2 2025 5:46 utc | 131

Many a time have Russian representatives repeated: There will be no ceasefire prior or during any negotiations.
Russia does not trust her opponents enough for more good will jestures.

Posted by: Rutte | Feb 2 2025 6:02 utc | 131

“So it’s not normal for the world to simply have a unipolar power. That was not – that was an anomaly. It was a product of the end of the Cold War, but eventually you were going to reach back to a point where you had a multipolar world, multi-great powers in different parts of the planet.”
The main point of Rubio’s comments are here, and most posters are missing it. The point he is making is that unipolarity is unsustainable in the international system. This is true. In fact, there has never really been sustainable “unipolarity” at any point in history.
There was a brief “unipolar moment” after the Cold War, when the Soviet Union collapsed, and China wasn’t quite a great power. The US basically filled a power vacuum, but that lasted maybe ten years. 9/11 and the failure of the US military adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan, coupled with the rise of China, the re-emergence of Russia, and the rise of India have led to the return of multipolarity (i.e, the correct formation of the international system).
There are at least four great powers now, and several regional powers. A unipolar system exists only when there is one pole of power that prevents the rise of other great powers. That doesn’t describe the current world system. American primacists are slow on the uptake, but the reality is American power is on the decline, and has been for some time.
Trump is a symptom of this decline. His outlandish takes on Panama, Canada, and tariffs are the last vestiges of American imperialism. Trump and his policies will simply twist in the wind while other powers bypass the US.

Posted by: James M. | Feb 2 2025 6:04 utc | 132

The world was multipolar in 1914. Remember how that worked out? Being for multipolarity is like being for democracy, the question is, whose? I think Rubio’s version of multipolarity is one where the US does what it wants, ruthlessly and shamelessly, regardless of humanity. The US in his perverted view appears to be that Cuba and Venezuela and Nicaragua are part of the American sphere of interest. The people he doesn’t particularly like but will be willing to deal with are the same dictators (including fascists) the US has historically supported. Rubio endorses the notion of so-called rogue states. That is the perspective of a cop for capitalism/imperialism. And I see no shred of a reason to think his notion of dealing with rogue states is significantly different. Quite aside from the fact that in the current political system, the Secretary of State is merely one player in US foreign policy, coming somewhere after the President, National Security Advisor, the Ambassador to the UN, various theater commanders in the armed forces (such as Africom,) but possibly ahead of the Secretary of the Treasury. The determination to revitalize the military is not a commitment to peace through strength, meaning the open use of shameless violence. And the commitment to the dollar remaining the reserve currency of the world is not a multipolarity, but the opposite.
Incidentally, dividing up the world in currency blocs was last tried on large scale in the Thirties (sterling bloc, franc bloc) etc. That didn’t go well either. In general, dividing up the world market is reducing wealth on a global scale.
I think our host has made another mistake. Continuing the election campaign against Biden is not helpful.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 2 2025 6:55 utc | 133

Posted by: kupkee | Feb 2 2025 1:12 utc | 106
Look you genocidal snow monkeys have sat up there being smug with your false moral superiority for long enough. Time to be bitch slapped. Should have had a bigger military than Texas if you wanted us to think twice about it but as it is LAPD SWAT could probably take your capital without a sweat so get ready for some red white and blue.
Trump is every bit a piece of shit but at least this stuff has some karmic justice to it.
Death to America but only after we kill Canada first.

Posted by: Badjoke | Feb 2 2025 7:33 utc | 134

Ukraine Weekly Update, 31st January 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-786

Posted by: The Busker | Feb 2 2025 7:54 utc | 135

.. I am as yet uncertain whether Trump and co will hasten war with China or draw back and secure the home region. Much depends on the ability to split Russia and China.
Posted by: watcher | Feb 2 2025 2:36 utc | 113
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How fucking stupid do USians have to be to be even thinking about a war with China? Possibly the unexpected appearance of Deepseek is too subtle a message for them. And some still delude themselves with the possibility of splitting Russia and China this decade ..
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re: David G Horsman | Feb 2 2025 2:08 utc | 111
reminds me of an internet comment I found funny – “currently in Canada there are a lot of chickens running around looking for a chopping block”
For me, not being a USian, the question is begged “how does the President get to announce such sweeping proposals (tariffs, Greenland etc) without necessitaing any cabinet or executive approval?
Truely a dictatorial system – de mockerer see?

Posted by: Ново З | Feb 2 2025 8:21 utc | 136

Posted by: John Wick | Feb 2 2025 4:32 utc | 125
What sort of idiocy is this about Egypt and Jordan. The Gazans came mostly from what is now Israel. Or they were there first. They are not Jordanians. Nor are they Egyptian. FFS any that were from those nations would have left 70 years ago, rather than be imprisoned in a ghetto.
Who is going to pay for their emigration to Egypt or Jordan for at least 100 years until the disadvantages of their poverty stricken arrival can be overcome. Hope you will through in some cash to support 10 or so families for 100 years. Hope you will tell Donald that US aid must be guaranteed for 100 years in some sort of inalienable fund not subject to Congress or presidential reneging. Of course you could ask Israel to chip in but that is most unlikely. No it is the USA and Europe who must foot the bill.
Are you still with me on this.

Posted by: watcher | Feb 2 2025 8:33 utc | 137

.. should not be forced to stay in Gaza. Most of them are from Egypt and Jordan anyway.
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Posted by: John Wick | Feb 2 2025 4:32 utc | 125
Are you a fuckwick John?

Posted by: Ново З | Feb 2 2025 8:37 utc | 138

Posted by: Ново З | Feb 2 2025 8:21 utc | 138
Intelligence and common sense seems in short supply in the US and in the west in general

Posted by: watcher | Feb 2 2025 8:38 utc | 139

The US empire still plans to strangle multipolarism in the cradle!
https://tgstat.com/channel/@brianlovethailand/3662
🇺🇸🇨🇳 US Tarrifs Aimed at Preparation for Blockade/War on China

▪️It should be remembered that President Trump’s previous “bad” tariffs were not only kept in place under the Biden administration, they were expanded upon over the last 4 years indicating this is a bipartisan “deep state” agenda;
▪️Follow-up tarrifs on not only China but now also Canada and Mexico are aimed at further permanently decoupling the US from China, not at negotiations or the stemming of “drugs” and “illegal immigrants,” all of which are fabricated pretexts;
▪️Tarrifs have precipitated a cost of living crisis in the US (coupled with a similar crisis in Europe linked to sanctions on Russia), a crisis both the Trump and Biden administrations are clearly indifferent to;
▪️The goal is very obviously to prepare for war with China, including a blockade of Chinese maritime shipping US moves against Panama and Greenland both serve as steps toward preparing;
▪️Under the Biden administration, the reorganization of the US Marine Corps into an anti-shipping force likewise served as preparation for this;
▪️China and its trading partners (virtually the rest of the world) need to realistically face this and prepare for this US plan to strangle multipolarism in the cradle – negotiations with the US must be done with this in mind, realizing the US has no intention of ever striking an actual deal, but is instead preparing the battlefield;
▪️China’s ability to innovate and replace US imports as well as diversify and protect alternative exports elsewhere from US destabilization (both regime change installing anti-China client regimes and the backing of violence targeting Belt & Road Initiative routes) will determine the outcome of Washington’s actual objectives;

To believe the US empire, or one of its ministers, suddenly had a change of hearth is delusional.

Posted by: xor | Feb 2 2025 8:43 utc | 140

The snark of this headline is charming

Unilateral trade coercion won’t fix the US fentanyl crisis

The article is good too ==> https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202502/1327751.shtml

Posted by: too scents | Feb 2 2025 9:07 utc | 141

@xor | Sun, 02 Feb 2025 08:43:00 GMT | 142

To believe the US empire, or one of its ministers, suddenly had a change of hearth is delusional.

It doesn’t matter what he says or doesn’t say. There are structural elements that prevent prolonged unipolarity – like anarchy in the system. The US doesn’t have any say in if the world system is unipolar or multipolar. Most of you give too much credit to agent rather than structure. The US cannot “strangle” multipolarism. It is a fait accompli.

Posted by: James M. | Feb 2 2025 9:08 utc | 142

@steven t johnson | Sun, 02 Feb 2025 06:55:00 GMT | 135

The world was multipolar in 1914. Remember how that worked out? Being for multipolarity is like being for democracy, the question is, whose?

The world has always been multipolar. It is the cause of great power wars – the wars of the eighteenth century, Napoleonic wars, WWI and WWII, and the Cold War. The one difference is now nuclear weapons act as a hedge against great power wars, so they fight by proxy.
No one has a claim on multipolarity – it is a state of being. The only difference is which powers make up the poles. The power centers have now shifted from western Europe, and the North Atlantic to Eurasia and South and East Asia. That’s the reality of today’s world.

Posted by: James M. | Feb 2 2025 9:15 utc | 143

What a world we live in? JFK’s party is the pro-war left and marco (of all people) is making sense.

Posted by: Sal | Feb 2 2025 10:08 utc | 144

“foreign policy has always required us to work in the national interest, sometimes in cooperation with people who we wouldn’t invite over for dinner or people who we wouldn’t necessarily ever want to be led by”
Are we sure Rubio is not just referring to the long established US tradition of using dictators and terrorists in order to fight off its competition? I don’t quite share the same optimism when it comes to the Tonya Harding of geopolitics changing its ways..

Posted by: Rubiconned | Feb 2 2025 10:30 utc | 145

They drop these little nuggets of common sense every once in a while to confound your assessment of the current state of collapse…
…to hedge your dread, so to speak.

Posted by: john | Feb 2 2025 11:02 utc | 146

Magnificent post, b; perhaps your best one yet!!

Posted by: canuck | Feb 2 2025 11:24 utc | 147

In a unipolar world the hegemon becomes weak from within because it has no real adversaries. Society becomes vulnerable to all kinds of criminal entities, becomes vulnerable to strange ideologies, etc.. In a nutshell all the things that Trump should resolve. It is therefore that they prefer a multipolar world. A constant threat favours a meritocratic society, less dependent on imports, …. Is also more profitable for the MIC. Is the BRICS model better? On paper yes, but it looks somewhat unnatural.

Posted by: hubert | Feb 2 2025 11:27 utc | 148

Posted by: James M. | Feb 2 2025 6:04 utc | 134
Probably because the unsustainable nature of uni-polarity is self-evident, as the fates of the Roman and British Empires attest to. The MAGA movement, and before that it’s progenitor, the Tea-Party, have always been against the US being the world’s policeman, wanting the nation’s focus to mirror the principals of subsidiarity espoused by the faith that motivates the core of its supporters. The elites on both sides of the isle scoffed at such parochialism, as they outsourced jobs overseas, gutting fly-over country’ in the process, whilst expending its occupants in pointless, un-winnable conflicts that haemorrhaged the nations blood and treasure and influence, to the benefit of the self-same elites.
Rubio is one of those globalist elites whose confirmation votes bare this observation out (no tie-breaker or narrow squeaker for the Rino) but he’s smart and savvy enough to know that he has to play along or get booted from the Trump train. So all Rubio was doing was restating a central plank of the Trump doctrine, which was echoed by the VP, the day after. America first, economic power over that of military adventurism and a return to accountable government.
As for the endless US in decline narrative, perhaps analyse why it’s in decline first and then see which of those factors are transitory, which are systemic and, of the latter category, which will be operating after four years of Trump. Certainly the artificial restrictors that have been exploited by the US’s rivals, and those with similar agendas, are set to expire, thanks to the events that they have recently precipitated.

Posted by: Milites | Feb 2 2025 12:29 utc | 149

Posted by: aristodemos | Feb 2 2025 1:24 utc | 107
Very thoughtful and excellent reply aristodemos.
It is a reply like that why we are all here. To learn from each other.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 2 2025 12:47 utc | 150

Now on tariffs , unless it’s a bluff and/or belief that the other side will fold, I’d say that trump just built 3% gdp crash and 3% inflation into the us economy, short term, long term the effect might be positive (sustained inflation but wage and small business increase)
Still not counting eu if he goes ahead.
But for target countries, Canada and Mexico , maybe twice as much impact on gdp and sustained, probably smaller inflation issues.
Doesn’t really make sense after so much effort to decouple eu from Russia and china to go ahead with equivalent measures against eu.

Posted by: Newbie | Feb 2 2025 12:56 utc | 151

I just don’t see why Russia needs to sign anything at this point.
Take everything East of the river and Odessa and then sign. Sign from a position of strength rather than future uncertainty.
That is exactly what the West would do if they held the cards Putin has right now.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 2 2025 12:56 utc | 152

“I am as yet uncertain whether Trump and co will hasten war with China or draw back and secure the home region. Much depends on the ability to split Russia and China. Unlikely just now but the future is always uncertain.”
Posted by: watcher | Feb 2 2025 2:36 utc | 113
Trump is not a war monger and he realizes that the USA cannot now afford to be the world’s Hegemon.
But he will get his economic blood with tariffs as a bargain (“Big stick”)chip in the Western hemisphere.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 2 2025 13:14 utc | 153

Posted by: Newbie | Feb 2 2025 12:56 utc | 153
It doesn’t make any sense because it is gold standard, fixed exchange rate thinking. That taxes fund spending. Exports fund The treasury.
The other purpose of tariffs is to encourage internal substitution. If the income level shifts of those involved in the substitution circulation are greater than the price rises, then those people win and those outside lose out. A simple transfer from those who consume imports to those who produce substitutes.
After all that is the justification for the EU common external tariff that apparently is just so marvellous lol.
So what’s the belief system ?
That people and skills can be moved around the economy like ignots of steel. That road sweepers can become doctors overnight. Miners can become nurses and ship builders can become IT specialists that next day.
Thatcherism.
Tariffs may encourage internal substitution. However….
1. Where are the skills and people who will carry out this subsitution ?
2. What are they doing now and how does it effect what they are doing now if they are swapped for carrying out the substitution.
Etc, etc
You can’t just click your fingers and it magically appears from the Pavement like Thatcher thought it would. When she moved massive amounts of both skills and real resources out of mining, shipbuilding and low end manufacturing into services and high end manufacturing.
50 years later the mistakes of right wing thinking that you can move people around like ignots of steel. Are still being felt in communities across the UK.
Combined with gold standard, fixed exchange rate thinking and not understanding modern money is a recipe for disaster.
Here’s a nice short video explaining the implications.
https://stephaniekelton.substack.com/p/trade-isnt-money-for-nothing

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 2 2025 13:15 utc | 154

“Doesn’t really make sense after so much effort to decouple eu from Russia and china to go ahead with equivalent measures against eu.”
Posted by: Newbie | Feb 2 2025 12:56 utc | 153
Trump will use the UK (USA lap dog) and meddling with Greenland to weaken the EU destroy NATO while making nice with both Russia and China; I’m more worried about what he would do with Iran yet I feel he will make a deal there as well..
Perhaps I’m looking through ephemeral ‘rose coloured glasses-we will see.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 2 2025 13:19 utc | 155

Donald “grab them by the pussy” Trump, has demonstrated abundantly already that he has not changed, nor will he, or can he. (Look back at the results of his first presidency).
Those who see in his words (as Rubio’s), and actions to date, a change, if only in the making, tactics and similar, believe in magic.
The entire “team” Trump has put together, billionaires, millionaire businessmen, ultra conservatives, Zionists, guarantees nothing but US at its worst to the power of x.
The actions already taken, domestically and internationally, demonstrate this.
To believe that Trump and his administration are going to be a non-Trump administration; to expect them to somehow not be what they are, a u-turn, individually, and collectively, is unreasonable, and is willful blindness because there is nothing in reality that even faintly hints at such a possibility.
To believe that also shows a disregard for the lessons of the past, recent and distant.

Posted by: JB | Feb 2 2025 13:21 utc | 156

Posted by: karlof1 | Feb 1 2025 18:12 utc | 9
Canadian view here.
I disagree that US annexation of Canada, Greenland and Panama Canal are in conflict with Rubio’s comments. I took it as just the opposite. These countries , in the US mindset, are crucial to National Security. It is not (necessarily) a bid for global domination, but required to strengthen US position in a multi-polar world.
I read an electrifying article from Murray Brewster:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-trade-war-vs-economic-war-1.7447927
It should be mandatory reading for all Canadians. How close eastern Canada and British Columbia came to came to being annexed July 2, 1866 in a House of Representatives Bill. Perhaps saved only by The Civil War aftermath. Confederation happened a year later. It is interesting how little achieving of US border security has changed in 159 years – of course might as well take Alberta oil as well.
The US tariffs on Canada are, of course, not about 20 kg of fentanyl. It is a prelude to annexation. The US wants our resources and to secure it’s border clear to the Canadian Arctic waters.
I’ll have to reread 1984 again to recall what the geopolitical powers looked like.

Posted by: dontflayme | Feb 2 2025 13:22 utc | 157

Posted by: Newbie | Feb 2 2025 12:56 utc | 153
Another reason why I believe Trump is an empty suit.
Just step back and think about what it will take to transition the US economy from those who consume imports to those who can produce the substitutes.
A lot longer than a few hundred days. It will take decades. To build what is needed and upskill the workforce to the skills that are required.
What about the other parts of the economy and the effect it will have on their skills and real resources.
My guess is the transition phase won’t even have got off the ground before Trump leaves office. A neocon republican will take his place.
Putin managed import substitution due to the sanctions because held complete power for over 30 years.
Think about that.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 2 2025 13:28 utc | 158

xor | Sun, 02 Feb 2025 08:43:00 GMT | 142
To believe the US empire, or one of its ministers, suddenly had a change of hearth is delusional.
It doesn’t matter what he says or doesn’t say. There are structural elements that prevent prolonged unipolarity – like anarchy in the system. The US doesn’t have any say in if the world system is unipolar or multipolar. Most of you give too much credit to agent rather than structure. The US cannot “strangle” multipolarism. It is a fait accompli.
Posted by: James M. | Feb 2 2025 9:08 utc | 144

I (or the author brianlovethailand) don’t dispute that multipolarism will occur (or in fact already has occurred). What is disputed here is the pretense that Rubio, one of the agents of empire, now all of sudden accepted, or even endorsing, multipolarism which is asserted in this main post by B. The US empire is still in the denial phase, amongst others proven by the plethora of tariffs on both competitors and “allies”.
There is still a very long way before the US empire will reach the acceptance phase.

Posted by: xor | Feb 2 2025 13:34 utc | 159

B, you are such an optimist. Charmingly so. BUT Trumpstein just ordered the bombing of poor miserable poverty stricken Somalia (!!!!). which has been a favorite whipping boy since BushBoy at least. The usual “because ISIS.” Wait, ISIS is a CIA creation working in tandem w/ Izzyhell. Seems like any time these murikan nut jobs have a testosterone spike they look for some poor bastard to kick the shit out of. And the lunatic Sec Deffff says military action against Mexico (!!!) is possible.
A great way to win friends etc. Pardon my french, as they say. And the us Treasury has now opened its records to a private company pal of Musty’s…Tom Krause “CEO of Cloud Software System” now has access to every murikans bank accounts, social security accounts, medicare health records, tax records. Wonderful. What could possibly go wrong.

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Feb 2 2025 13:39 utc | 160

Right now Rubio is flying around trying to bully Denmark and subjigate Greenland . He is also badgering Panama to give up their independance. Meanwhile American tariffs have been levied to destroy the Chinese and Mexican economies and to force bankrupsy and annexation on Canada. So much for Marco’s credibility.

Posted by: John McManus | Feb 2 2025 13:54 utc | 161

Yeah… that isn’t Rubio talking. He is talking for Trump. He was a neocon when it was good to be a neocon. He just read the room right and is smart enough to position himself for a step up the power ladder. A lot of people were upset of Trump’s pick for sec state… I saw this coming though. I thought he would go along. He isn’t a true believer though…Trump will have to keep a good leash on him.

Posted by: Goldhoarder | Feb 2 2025 14:04 utc | 162

This is very encouraging. The only way to escape the Thucydides Trap between the Empire and China without war (that would necessarily go nuclear) is for the declining power (the US) to decline without realizing it below the point where it could militarily engage the rising power, and then come to realize the futility of a fight before throwing blows. This may have happened. The Empire may be sensing its own mortality and realizing that since it cannot even defeat Russia, it stands no chance against China. China is industrially an order of magnitude or two more powerful than Russia, and it is the industrial ability to support a major knock-down-drag-out where the entire collected West utterly failed. Three years into a war they cannot afford to lose and all of their plans for military need driving massive re-industrialization are still fantasy and pipe dreams.
Consider: Trump wants to build 40 icebreakers. That will require the construction of at least one or more new big shipyards for the US to complete in less than a century. These shipyards will require massive increases in supply chains (steel, machine tools, marine machinery, etc), not to mention scores of thousands of workers skilled in exactly the sort skills that practically none of the Millennial or Gen Z generation members have or are likely to be able to acquire (they view incompetence as a positive character trait due to their embrace of victim culture and DEI).
Now who will invest in any of the above when there is a big chance that the next US administration will cut or reverse that decision to go nuts building ships? Who wants to invest in building a new mill to produce steel for ships that may never be built? Likewise, who wants to sink their wealth into a new plant to mass produce tanks when the war in the Ukraine could be over tomorrow? This is why despite the huge volumes of cash being splashed around there has been no re-industrialization in the West.
The West will continue its decline while China will continue its rise, widening the gap in capabilities that discourages the Empire from war.
Basically, it seems that while still trying to force re-industrialization, the Trump faction of the oligarchy is sufficiently free of delusions to see that a military adventure against China is doomed to fail as the Empire currently stands.
That is a good thing. We may have dodged the WWIII bullet.

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 2 2025 14:14 utc | 163

Sun of Alabama has just won his sixth ,”The Most Retarded Post I Have Read Today”-he trails only vargas in these awards:
“Another reason why I believe Trump is an empty suit.”
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 2 2025 13:28 utc | 160

Posted by: canuck | Feb 2 2025 14:16 utc | 164

Posted by: Milites | Feb 2 2025 12:29 utc | 151
Best analysis I have yet read on the topic-bravo!

Posted by: canuck | Feb 2 2025 14:42 utc | 165

Posted by: Kay | Feb 2 2025 4:40 utc | 126
You are incorrect; Trump did not begin foreign military adventures as did all his predecessors since Clinton.
As a matter of fact Trump ordered US forces out of Eastern Syria and his generals refused to do it-one quisling general , Mark Milley (1) is losing his security detail and awaits an investigation of his mutiny -also contacted Chinese generals without the President’s permission)
Perhaps, you should read a bit more about the issue before making judgements.
“WASHINGTON, Jan 29 (Reuters) – New U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, in one of his first acts in the job since being appointed by President Donald Trump, has revoked the personal security detail and security clearance for Mark Milley, the retired Army general and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.”

Posted by: canuck | Feb 2 2025 14:52 utc | 166

“This is very encouraging. The only way to escape the Thucydides Trap between the Empire and China without war (that would necessarily go nuclear) is for the declining power (the US) to decline without realizing it below the point where it could militarily engage the rising power, and then come to realize the futility of a fight before throwing blows. This may have happened. The Empire may be sensing its own mortality and realizing that since it cannot even defeat Russia, it stands no chance against China. China is industrially an order of magnitude or two more powerful than Russia, and it is the industrial ability to support a major knock-down-drag-out where the entire collected West utterly failed. Three years into a war they cannot afford to lose and all of their plans for military need driving massive re-industrialization are still fantasy and pipe dreams.”
Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 2 2025 14:14 utc | 165
Excellent!!!
Thank you.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 2 2025 14:54 utc | 167

Rubio says one thing, while his boss says another. Just today, on his Truth Social account, Trump once again says he wants to add Canada as the 51st US state saying it only exists as a viable nation thanks to US ‘subsidies”. The tariffs on Canada and Mexico will bring those countries to their knees if they don’t submit to Trump’s demands. I can only imagine what the BRICS nations and those interested in joining BRICS are thinking seeing these tariffs put into place. They may have second thoughts about joining since Trump means business. He will not allow any competition to the US dollar.

Posted by: bored | Feb 2 2025 15:21 utc | 168

People mistake their disdain for Trump with a judgement of his capability.
Not unlike how many assume good character in attractive members of the opposite sex.
Trump is unique in that he is courageous.
Being bold can be a superpower in a herd of sheep.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 2 2025 15:39 utc | 169

Lots of musings here about whether or not the (vacuous) 10,000 ft. presentation of foreign policy was really Trump’s or Rubio’s.
Recall that Trump 1.0’s Secretary of State was Rex Tillerson, CEO of Exxon, one of the largest global energy corporations with operations around the world. Someone well versed in realpolitik and negotiations. Famously called Trump a moron.
So Trump 2.0 is hiring yes men.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Feb 2 2025 15:49 utc | 170

Karlof1 : 51
Agree. Sometimes negative can be a sceptical person and there are some reasons for this. I did read almost all of your work and essays, however December was particularly busy, then New Year and then Christmas. Time ran away and now it is February.
The format here is awkward so I will talk on your site.

Posted by: Natalya Volkova | Feb 2 2025 16:32 utc | 171

@sadness | Feb 1 2025 18:37 utc | 18
Brings up the perception that there is a separate kind of power for money.
I suggest it doesnt exist.
Of course various roles exist but they must be seen as the outcome of a delegating process.
Not necessarily formalised.
But it is understood that nobody, who on the surface, is extremely wealthy is ever free to act against the oligarchy’s main interests.
That means their wealth is conditional.
But power doesnt have to beg for permissions.
This theme is perhaps never openly discussed among those concerned. But it is understood.
The perception that I believe @sadness is just a perception arranged for public consumption.
In reality an oligarchic collective rules.
This mechanism provides some rotation within and limited to an oligarchy but still there is some variation.
The much older venetian example shows how some 13 families rotated over many centuries. The system didnt have an autocrat but a Doge and various councils. Council of ten and council of three etc. The latter were wearing masks when they met their clients. That may be taken symbolically as a representation of secrecy among the elites.
I dont think it is a coincidence that the americans built a full scale Doge Palace replicating that of Venice. But obviously the oligarchy today has obtained a more extensive network of thinktanks etc.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Feb 2 2025 16:32 utc | 172

Trump is unique in that he is courageous.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 2 2025 15:39 utc | 171
Trump is in no way unique, and you mistake demagoguery and bullying (threats) for courage.
He is a primitive man who has not demonstrated any capabilities worthy of mention.

Posted by: JB | Feb 2 2025 16:34 utc | 173

@Exile :61
Thank you very much.

Posted by: Natalya Volkova | Feb 2 2025 16:34 utc | 174

The hits just keep coming. NATO Secretary General agrees with Trump, says US should take control/own the island :
https://x.com/behizytweets/status/1886090066872926396?t=oXM3QUNDayEotvdo1W-zQA

BREAKING: NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte just agreed with President Trump on Greenland and is calling on Denmark to immediately begin negotiations.
“When it comes to defense in the Arctic, Trump is right. What I think is very good is that the Prime Minister of Denmark immediately began negotiations with President Trump. Essentially, it was about the high relevance of defense in the far north.”
Greenland will be America soon.

Next up Panama Canal and Canada.

Posted by: bored | Feb 2 2025 17:00 utc | 175

(Possible duplicate, not sure if I did something wrong).
The world has never been unipolar. Plain fact.
Not even with polarity interpreted as money or other abstractions. All the examples end up rendering the word meaningless and/or superfluous, which it most likely is!
However quite a lot of people who claim power are megalomaniacs, possibly all. Well that’s not much of a surprise but it explains the existence and use of the word/concept.
I have not read the entire thread yet and may or may not do so. I apologize if anyone has already said all this, I saw someone say the opposite.
In addition someone (so me then in case no one else already did) should point out that unipolar is an oxymoron. It is also an in general troublesome or flawed concept much in the same way as monopole; when scrutinized it is in a constant battle to avoid defining itself as meaningless: a pole as related to what while simultaneously negating everything else?
That wouldn’t be a pole, that would be a singularity.
Good thing neither are true! 😀
A buzzword, word game, delusion/delirium, and undeserved self-congratulatory propaganda courtesy of the same people who in their deranged view believe “they” won the second world war and the cold war, both untrue.
The US is still nowhere close to realism and any movement in that direction has been very small and perhaps insignificant.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 2 2025 17:24 utc | 176

Rubio was on China’s sanction list cuz there isnt an anti Chinese meme that he doesnt like, HK, Tibet, Xinjiang, SCS….YOU name it !
His appointment as SOT was classic Trump, intimidation before bargaining .
China wasnt impressed
So this SOT , a persona non grata , swallowed his hubris, called up Wang Yi begging for an audience.
Whereby Wang told him…

You should know what to do

Looks like somebody is really desperate. 😉

Posted by: denk | Feb 2 2025 17:52 utc | 177

More about the “uniqueness” of Trump the courageous and the game changer:
Prof Richard Wolff on “the purge”
https://globalsouth.co/2025/02/02/wolff-responds-it-should-be-called-a-purge/

Posted by: JB | Feb 2 2025 18:19 utc | 178

“Trump is unique in that he is courageous.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 2 2025 15:39 utc | 171
“Trump is in no way unique, and you mistake demagoguery and bullying (threats) for courage.
He is a primitive man who has not demonstrated any capabilities worthy of mention.”
Posted by: JB | Feb 2 2025 16:34 utc | 175
Trump may be many negative things, regardless he is certainly courageous-to think otherwise is to be a Fool.

Posted by: canuck | Feb 2 2025 18:21 utc | 179

Trump this Trump that.
BIden this Biden that
NUland this NUland that..
tHESE ARE all mouthpiece for tptb FFS,
SOMEbody is getting desperate, they need a Chinese bale out.
Intimidation wont work.
So the change of tune.

Posted by: denk | Feb 2 2025 18:28 utc | 180

Posted by: James M. | Feb 2 2025 9:15 utc | 145 A world divided into spheres of interest where the metropolis (now dubbed the so-called civilizational state?) is a recipe for war. The old name for such spheres was simply, empire. At this point, the determination to revitalize the military with a warrior ethos of kill, kill, kill is not peace through strength, it’s for victory (they hope—vainly I think— without actually bothering to fight in a straight up conflict, which is altogether too close to giving a sucker a break.) I will add that the entire perspective that the US isn’t going to do favors for foreigners anymore by fighting their war is a huge falsification (aka, Big Lie.) I remember that fool who pretended the US crucified Afghanistan because wokeness demanded a crusade for women. Hailing Rubio’s conversion to multipolarity is basically just as silly and backward in my opinion.
None of the US wars were acts of charity, they were investments in power, for capital, made by the executive committee of the ruling class, making the hard decisions above the parochial interests of this faction or that. Their wars have ultimately failed of their goal because their system is declining, and rational decisions are increasingly impossible in an increasingly crazy, obsolete ways of life. Capitalism is not human nature, it is an ephemeral social formation.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 2 2025 18:28 utc | 181

Rubio has realised America cannot eat the world in one big gulp so he’s talking about “multi polarity” as a primer for “divide and conquer”.
He wants the US to go back to playing geopolitical bloc games of the last century.
Once you know how the Empire thinks you can predict its every move.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 2 2025 18:31 utc | 182

Trump is unique in that he is courageous.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 2 2025 15:39 utc | 171
Stupidity can often be mistaken for courage.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 2 2025 18:33 utc | 183

Posted by: Milites | Feb 2 2025 12:29 utc | 151 The problem for this comment is, it starts with nonsense. The fate of the Roman Empire, which lasted for centuries half of which lasted over a thousand years (!) doesn’t prove the American empire is falling. The fate of the British Empire which can be dated back to the Seven Years War (the true WWI in my judgment, by the way) till practically defeated by Germany in two savage wars (the dubiously named/dated WWI&WWII) attests to empires don’t fall, they are defeated. Even after that, it was the temporary US hostility to colonial empires (in favor of an Open Door hegemony of US capital over the entire planet, or so they aspired) along with the revolutionary support of the USSR that truly ended the colonial phase. The neocolonial phase is still with us. (Cf. current events in Francophone Sahel.) I don’t think anyone should trust any analysis starting from such a skewed perspective.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 2 2025 18:38 utc | 184

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 2 2025 18:33 utc | 185
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I am talking about moral courage. His values are not my values but he will put his life on the line for his beliefs and values.
Many men are like cattle, they move with the herd and only live lives of dumb persistence.
Whatever one wants to say about it, Trump has never been afraid to chart his course, gaining strength from any pushback.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 2 2025 18:49 utc | 185

Posted by: William Gruff | Feb 2 2025 14:14 utc | 165 It was President Band-Aid whose inadequate infrastructure, IRA, Chips etc. that tried to actually carry out the supposed national re-industrialization project falsely proclaimed by Trump. (I think even Band-Aid’s gesture at a genuine program, called Build Back Better, would have been insufficient.) It was Trump and Trump’s Republicans who fought that tooth and nail, as I recall. Trying to pretend Trump is the Chaos Agent of Accelerationism fails in two ways. Accelerationism is stupid and vicious. And Trump’s actions are largely devoted to creating an oligarchical dictatorship, shredding the gains of bourgeois democratic revolutions. I can only suppose that this commenter is such a resolute foe precisely because they had so much input from the masses. The witless notion that wokism has debased the people so that they’re too stupid to learn stems from this, so far as I can see. I suggest that if you actually paid people better, they would be much better motivated to learn skills, from the manufacturing plants to the engineers’ offices. But that means, union jobs and promoting talent, including women, high-melanin skins and even people with unacceptable sex lives, the very targets of the anti-DEI campaign. Trump worshippers are part of the problem, not the solution.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 2 2025 18:51 utc | 186

It is appropriate that a purported Canadia going by a demeaning nickname (well-earned!) should post so many comments that could fairly be translated as, I for one, welcome my new American overlords!

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 2 2025 18:52 utc | 187

Also want to join in with what so many posters and regulars keep saying.
Hegemon/empire autophagy continues, and is accelerating.
In this context forcing the US to take Greenland, Canada, and the Panama canal (or all of Panama), and then Mexico, Europe, and South America, is ultimately a “good” thing (not for any individuals affected of course, myself included, so get away if you can).
It is the destruction of Ukraine copied onto a global scale and represents certain defeat of the US.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 2 2025 19:09 utc | 188

Levity has been recommended to me, so? Finding silver linings in the Second Coming of Trump is like writing Springtime for Hitler, except without any catchy tunes, dances, sets, costumes or jokes.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 2 2025 19:26 utc | 189

Natalya Volkova ( Feb 1 2025 19:40 utc | 41 ) wrote:

America is a joke with nukes 🙂

Welcome to Clown World (and also here to MoA) 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 2 2025 19:40 utc | 190

To Steven T Johnson ( Feb 2 2025 19:26 utc | 191 ):
Don’t worry too much about it (or at all) no matter if anyone agrees or disagrees, it is better to have many different people earnestly and honestly speaking their mind and as far as I can tell that’s what you’re doing.
We can’t all be right but we can all be wrong? 🙂 (I worry I smile too much).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 2 2025 19:49 utc | 191

@steven t johnson | Sun, 02 Feb 2025 18:28:00 GMT | 183

Hailing Rubio’s conversion to multipolarity is basically just as silly and backward in my opinion.

No one’s hailing Rubio’s “conversion.” He’s just acknowledging reality. Look at the world in 1991 versus today. Look at the Gulf War coalition of 1991 versus the Iraq war in 2003. The US has lost considerable power in the system.
Does multipolarity mean more war? Probably. But it could bring more stability as well. More great powers means more checks on expansion and power – see the Concert of Europe, nineteenth century. There are certain things beyond the control of imperialists and prmiacists – and imperial sustainability is one of them. All empires fall, it is a universal truth. The US with its sheltered and shallow population isn’t cut out for empire, not in the long run.

Posted by: James M. | Feb 2 2025 22:16 utc | 192

@canuck | Sun, 02 Feb 2025 18:21:00 GMT | 181

Trump may be many negative things, regardless he is certainly courageous-to think otherwise is to be a Fool.

Another word for that is foolish or even reckless. Courageous is standing up for the right thing when you are told you are wrong. Foolish is doing the wrong thing, or for doing something for selfish reasons. Reckless is doing something without considering the consequences of your actions. Trump acts more in a reckless or foolish manner, appearing to be courageous.

Posted by: James M. | Feb 2 2025 22:22 utc | 193

Perhaps I’ve misread the OP and comments, most of which seemed to me to be approving and hopeful. To me, Rubio’s government is building the military and committing to the dollar supremacy, I don’t see this as conceding to reality. Indeed, I don’t see it as a real concession at all, just PR that emphasizes how the US isn’t going to be taken for a ride any more. Believing as I do the US hasn’t been doing favors in the first place, I read this as fundamentally sinister, vainglorious, not good.
Being compulsive nitpicker, the Concert of Europe somehow accommodated the Greek War of Independence; the Crimean War; the Second War of Italian Independence; the Schleswig-Holstein War; the Franco-Prussian War; the Russo-Turkish War which entangles with the independence/official recognition of multiple Balkan states. Plus there are the later Balkan Wars. Personally I think WWI could be renamed the Third Balkan War, and maybe should be as a reminder not to be so sure MAD guarantees minor troubles can’t lead to real wars. Also, during this prolonged Eden of peace, the British invaded China, the French invaded Mexico (Hail Juarez!) and everybody invaded Africa. Oh, I forgot, during the revolution of 1848 there were various armies suppressing rebellions in other countries, not counted as wars or even invasions because the nobles invited them. Sorry, can’t help myself.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 2 2025 23:30 utc | 194

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 2 2025 19:49 utc | 193 Flattery is flattering. Who knew? (And it would be true even if ironic, oddly enough.) But I will confess to being pretty sure that I’m right when I post. That’s because I’m too vain to post much when I’m not sure. That’s why I rarely post in Ukrainian threads with their heavy emphasis on military details beyond me, or Palestine with it’s current diplomatic emphasis. Even in general threads I don’t react very often to threads with heavy detail on theology or even idealist philosophy. I’ve been told that confidence is sexy, but I’m not getting on-line requests for IRL meetups? This is puzzling.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Feb 2 2025 23:38 utc | 195

And now Panama has capitulated to Trump’s demands:
https://x.com/behizytweets/status/1886188707377741904?t=oXM3QUNDayEotvdo1W-zQA

BREAKING: The President of Panama just terminated Panama’s agreement with China immediately after meeting with Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
“I believe that this visit opens a way to build a new stage of relations, that is how I see it, that is how I felt it on the part of Secretary Marco Rubio and at the same time try as far as possible to increase US investments in Panama.”
It seems the Panamanians are doing everything they can to please President Trump & maintain control of the Canal.

Greenland, Canada, and Mexico are next. After them, it looks like it’s the EU’s turn to bend the knee. How can the rest of the planet watch this and not form an alliance against the US? That’s how much they fear losing the US dollar.

Posted by: bored | Feb 3 2025 1:23 utc | 196

@ Saul Goode #66
“era of monsters” is part of this quote from Antonio Gramski who died a horrible death after 11 years in a Mussolini prison in the aftermath of the first world war a the age of 46.
Thanks so much Saul for this detailed explanation. I learn so much when I come to B’s forums. I will search for more context on Antonio Gramski.

Posted by: Richard L | Feb 3 2025 1:39 utc | 197

@ bored | Feb 3 2025 1:23 utc | 198 with the Panama link…thanks
It certainly reads like the intention is there for Panama to end the relationship with China and the Belt and Road initiative but there are the legal ending of the contracts that will take time and then who will do the work that China is doing under contract?
Trump is being a bully and seeing how many nations he can cower under his threats…..yes, they would like to join BRICS+ but are afraid to.
I see this as a phase in the decline of God Of Mammon cult empire…..wake me when they start talking public/private finance.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 3 2025 1:39 utc | 198

To clarify I wasn’t being ironic and it applies to many here and once in a while it should be said.
As and old man I still haven’t got a clue but I think such stuff like that about confidence* is something someone once said instead of saying something else and then it took on a life of its own, similar to such ideas as “having to love oneself” or “darkest before dawn” and a lot of other nonsense (at least outside of whatever was the original context).
There’s a lot like it; idioms/”idiotisms” and other “wisdom”. I could easily be as bad as everyone else and not realize it.
* Without bias confidence and arrogance appears the same?

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 3 2025 1:53 utc | 199

My last comment was meant as a reply to Steven T Johnson ( Feb 2 2025 23:38 utc | 197 ).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 3 2025 1:55 utc | 200