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February 13, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-031
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It’s definitely coming it is just a matter of when and if they can get away with it. Keep.a very, very , very close eye on church and state.
Architect of Project 25 Russell Vought doesn’t even try and hide it.
https://www.theunpopulist.net/p/trumps-budget-director-pick-would
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 14 2025 20:05 utc | 101
– Mark levin talking to Netanyahu for FOX News:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MPWNO7KFvs (length: 8 minutes)
– More columns by David Hearst:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/users/david-hearst
Posted by: WMG | Feb 14 2025 20:07 utc | 102
“In the West Bank, Trump is giving Netanyahu a free hand to blow up the region”.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/us-israel-trump-netanyahu-west-bank-blow-up-region
Posted by: WMG | Feb 14 2025 20:09 utc | 103
The reason why Russia (and China and most of the world) has lost a lot of respect from some of us here (and hopefully many across the world) is that they’re so busy bending over inspecting their toes and generally pretending nothing much is happening at all while the genocide still continues (it’s just in a halfhearted and very partial “ceasefire” right now).
These are the main countries that thought up “friends of the UN” and previously insisted on well-established international law instead of the retarded US rewrite called “rules-based order”.
But now? Hardly a peep.
Clear enough?
Not only that but it is all so obvious that it’s hard to understand or accept why this is in any way confusing or unclear to anyone on the planet and certainly not for anyone with an interest in geopolitics (do you know where you are?).
And then some people can’t even address this point but start flailing their arms instead…
Yes it’s not nice but it’s the plain truth and fact of it all so feel free to stop the gymnastics.
(One can still support China and Russia while being very disappointed in them but it is not something that can be ignored: truth matters, it is a reality check).
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 14 2025 20:13 utc | 104
see the 22:00 video at the first link
https://x.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1889787560609685891
Craig Murray @CraigMurrayOrg
On 26 January Israel massacred with gunfire 26 unarmed civilians in Lebanon, including 4 children. IDF also wounded 147 others.
Heavily armed UN peacekeepers stood and watched.
I asked the UN the tough questions nobody else has asked them
https://x.com/Jonathan_K_Cook/status/1890466659233890681
Jonathan Cook @Jonathan_K_Cook
Israel’s plan from the outset of its attack was the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. And now Trump is making that explicit.
So explicit, in fact, that the media have been forced to go into frenzied damage-limitation mode, employing one of the most intense psy-ops against their own publics on record.
Every euphemism under the sun has been resorted to to avoid making clear that Trump and Israel are preparing to ethnically cleanse whoever’s left of the 2.3 million Palestinians living in Gaza.
The BBC speaks of “resettling”, “relocating” and “moving away” the population of Gaza.
In other reports, Palestinians are inexplicably on the brink of “leaving”.
The New York Times refers to ethnic cleansing positively as Trump’s “development plan”, while Reuters indifferently calls it “moving out” Gaza’s population.
Western capitals and their compliant media have been put in this uncomfortable position because Washington’s client states in the Middle East have refused to play ball with Israel and Trump’s ethnic cleansing plan.
Despite the ever-mounting slaughter, Egypt has refused to open its short border with Gaza to let the bombed, starved population pour into neighbouring Sinai.
There was, of course, never any question of Israel being expected to allow Gaza’s families to return to the lands from which they were originally expelled, at gunpoint, in 1948 in order to create a self-declared Jewish state.
Then, as now, the western powers colluded in Israel’s ethnic cleansing operations. This is the historical context western media prefer to gloss over – even on the rare occasions when they concede that there is any relevant background other than a presumed Palestinian barbarism. Instead the media resort to evasive terminology about “cycles of violence” and “historic enmities”.
Backed into a corner by Trump’s outbursts of the past few days, western politicians and the media have preferred to suggest that his administration’s “development plan” for Gaza is actually an innovation.
In truth, however, the president isn’t advancing anything new in demanding that Gaza’s Palestinians be ethnically cleansed. What’s different is that he is being unusually – and inadvisably – open about a long-standing policy.
Israel has always harboured plans to expel Palestinians from Gaza to Egypt and from the West Bank to Jordan.
But more to the point, as was noted by Middle East Eye a decade ago, Washington has been fully on board with the Gaza half of the expulsion project since the latter stages of George W Bush’s second presidency, in 2007. For anyone struggling with maths, that was 18 years ago.
Every US president, including Barack Obama, has leant on Egypt’s leader of the time to allow Israel to drive Gaza’s population into Sinai – and each one has been rebuffed.
This is an extract from my latest article. There is a link to the article in the post below ⬇️
Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 14 2025 21:09 utc | 105
@ Sunny Runny Burger Re: #104
Which species of retard is this, American or European??
No one likes a Chihuahua, small little thing barking, barking, barking so mightily but easily kicked and stomped.
What’s showboating and cakewalking by China or Russia going to do, actually? Talk some big jazz but then what? Are you seriously suggesting they have a war on behalf of the Palestinians? How, exactly??
Russia barely has any power projection abilities even without the Ukraine War; China has none at all but only what’s designed for local coastal defense. Houthis are admirable but have basically nothing to lose.
The first rule of medical care is to do no harm. And there’s no taking care of others without first saving oneself…how’s China or Russia going to get wrecked if the Arabs themselves can’t be bothered???
Posted by: AnObserver | Feb 14 2025 21:55 utc | 106
101 Political Gymnastics:
Say more to defend not saying anything than to protest genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 14 2025 22:47 utc | 107
Posted by: bugaboo | Feb 14 2025 18:04 utc | 96
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I don’t understand.
What are you saying?
Posted by: Jane | Feb 14 2025 22:54 utc | 108
He’s saying gifting the pager was some gangster stuff, you’re saying the same from a white angle with the horse’s head.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2025 16:18 utc
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Thanks!
Posted by: Jane | Feb 14 2025 22:55 utc | 109
Property rights have nothing to do with statehood and are not a protection against eviction, nationalisation and confiscation which are regulated by national laws.
The Palestinians right to their land is historically grounded, they have always been there, but they have no state to ensure and protect their rights. That is what they are fighting for.
There is no Palestinian state because the world rulers never enabled its creation. Instead Israel was established on Palestinian land by expelling the Palestinians and steeling their properties, which it is doing to this day.
No property deeds can guarantee Palestinian rights to be on their land and not be expelled because the Wild West is back and the US/Israel sheriff is the law.
Posted by: JB | Feb 14 2025 23:11 utc | 110
Property rights are another colonial mechanism for the long-term erosion of sovereignty.
The colonial powers don’t observe property rights in their own country. Why would they respect them during a Crusade?
You’re obviously intelligent, but I do wonder if you have done any deep thinking on this subject.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 14 2025 19:57 utc | 99
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You just can’t help yourself.
Not “obviously intelligent” of you and certainly not “deep.”
Meanwhile, here’s a candidate for Canuck’s prize:
Property rights are another colonial mechanism for the long-term erosion of sovereignty. ya dah ya dah
The Palestinians have always emphasized property rights and their claim to their property.
This is the importance of their keys—the actual keys to their homes, and the key as a symbol.
https://mpp-dc.org/gallery/keys-of-the-right-of-return/
Regarding your “colonial” mumbo jumbo, it was the Ottoman Empire that undertook surveys of lands in Palestine in the late-ish 19th C. You can look it up on Wikipedia (fascist oligarchic neocon neoliberal ya da ya dah website) yourself. I guess to you the Ottoman empire is colonial.
Here is some more info absorption of which might improve your own “intelligence.”
https://badil.org/publications/al-majdal/issues/items/409.html, “In 1938, moreover, Zionist officials were granted permission by Mandate authorities to copy land registration and taxation documents pertaining to the status of Palestinian Arab land ownership for the express purpose of facilitating Zionist land acquisition.”
https://merip.org/1994/01/palestinian-land-documents/
https://www.beki.org/dvartorah/landlaw/, “Prohibition of the transfer of Arab lands to Jews” was one of the three main “November Demands” put forward by the Palestinian Arabs’ “United Front” before the revolt of 1936.
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-208638/
Posted by: Jane | Feb 14 2025 23:29 utc | 111
Instead Israel was established on Palestinian land by expelling the Palestinians and stealing their properties, which it is doing to this day.
No property deeds can guarantee Palestinian rights to be on their land and not be expelled because the Wild West is back and the US/Israel sheriff is the law.
Posted by: JB | Feb 14 2025 23:11 utc | 110
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I didn’t mean to imply that I think Zionist brutalitiy can be be rolled by via showing a deed.
But, as you say, Israel exists on stolen Palestinian land—not only specific lands, houses, businesses, agricultural lands for which ownership was actually registered but also of course the whole “land” of Palestine.
I think many Americans just do not realize this. I think they assume that all Pals were members of some kind of tribes with no ownership of, say, a house. Zionist propaganda has encouraged this thinking. That only the Zionists developed what had been a wasteland peopled by primitives. Trump probably thinks the same.
Hence I believe that it is useful for Americans to understand that Palestinians actually owned property and homes and businesses in Palestine pretty much as Americans own the same here. I don’t think Americans grasp that this property was violently wrested from its owners, on both the individual and the “country” level.
Violation of “property rights” of course does not cover the definition of the crimes done to Palestinians, but it is a bottom-line concept that I believe Americans can understand. Also Americans such as Trump, who openly speaks of Gaza as “real estate.”
Many advocates of Pal rights also see the maintenance of registry records etc. as central to guaranteeing Palestinians’ right of return.
I am surprised that anyone here would even bother to argue about this.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 14 2025 23:48 utc | 112
@112 Jane
An unusual backstory to all of this is northern Cyprus. There, in the south though, I had met those who fought in the previous conflict, others who still held the deeds to their properties in the north. Still displaced after decades. Famagusta was a shot out ruin when I visited, as was the demarcation line runing through Nicosia.
Around GFC, the Russians were made unwelcome in EU. Particularly Cyprus set about confiscating or restricting assets as sideline to bailout the economy there. Following that …
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/24312
…which might explain something of Russian position re. “Israel” … I don’t know… as well as underlining that title deeds mean little by themselves, even for those in a europe orientated country. Also that certain people (the above focuses on “Israelis”) have no qualm buying/occupying the land europeans have been displaced from.
I don’t know what Cypriots must think now, with UK airbases used to defend those that are buying up their properties in the north of Cyprus. Same goes for Greeks, given the closeness to Cypriots, the anymosity towards Turkey, and presence of US forces in their country used in defence of those buying into northern Cyprus.
Even in southern Spain, this sort of reality is not very old. The documents listing the “repartitions” of land after the conquest of the Kingdom of Granada having been kept. Moors expelled and the properties handed out to own loyalty.
Seeing as the US is founded like that more or less, and with no prior claim, somehow it doesn’t surprise me the US relating to “Israel” the way it does. Nor the UK (establishment) for that matter, in consequence of its proximity to populating the US (and elsewhere).
And yes, Trump probably thinks like that somewhere.
It is a bad combination: US, UK and “Israel”
It has influence on Trump.
That is not to argue with you either, the points you make are completely valid. The above is a historic or real life example of what has and does go on.
It also redeems LoveDonbass to a degree, because I think he meant that once the land of others is sold to someone else, the buyers will then claim it as their own.
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 15 2025 0:35 utc | 113
Sunny Runny Burger 104
No amount of new paint can hide the fact that thexUS is a Turd. I know it’s hard to accept this fact, but the US made the bombs that evaporated Gaza and Beirut and soon Tehran.
They made them intentionally for the specific purpose of changing the face of the Middle East after Russia prevented them from doing so by Al Qaida, by destroying Hillary Clinton’s concrete bunkers housing Al Qaeda.
These bombs have achieved their purpose so far and Russia has withdrawn from Syria. Blaming the intended victim, Russia, might lessen your emotional pain that your country is a Turd. So somewhat loudly sweep your fiddle strings , but don’t please blame the victim for the Turd that is your country.
As I have said before, Trump cannot console himself with losing in Ukraine, by trashing West Asia. The US has lost all trace of its reputation in the world by supplying the bombs for this unprovoked war. Blaming and insulting Russia and China isnt going to help the US’ Turd reputation.
Hamas took only a tiny fraction of the number of illegally detained Palestinians already held illegally by Israel. Resistance by an occupied nation is not a crime. Genocide of one million so far , if you include the slaughtered in Lebanon, is a crime.
The Turd that is your country made the bombs intentionally for the purpose of committing the crime so far and more intentionally made bombs for more premeditated killings are planned.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 15 2025 0:36 utc | 114
“The world is sliding into fascism as the US puts sanctions on UN officials, Germany forbids Albanese to talk, and ALL the Western govs dont make a peep about it. Who needs Epstein when you control the WWW?”
It’s not the world, just a shitty little corner of it called Europe. Even JD Vance, US vice president, is scolding Europe for cancelling elections in Romania and elsewhere and shutting down free speech in Europe, an internal threat according to Vance “bigger than Russia and China”.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Feb 15 2025 0:54 utc | 115
You just can’t help yourself.
Not “obviously intelligent” of you and certainly not “deep.”
Posted by: Jane | Feb 14 2025 23:29 utc | 111
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I know at one time that I questioned that you were actually female but thanks to your passive-aggresive tone policing. I am convinced. That is a very feminine approach to intellectual debate based upon my many experiences with women trying to chew the fat with the boys.
You are so embedded in the colonizer mindset that you cannot spot the hypocrisies and contradictions in your social norms and conceptions of law.
Because I do think that you’re intelligent, I expect more.
Don’t hate on me for expecting high level results from you, results that I believe you are capable of.
Once Palestinian land becomes a commodity to be traded, that’s 50% of the way to relocation. That’s the Western carpetbagger model of everyone being transient and a renter from someone else.
The Palestinians connection with their land cannot be quantified or reduced to Western capitalism. Your people already did that with the North American natives, trading beads and simple tools to people who did not have a background in capitalism or colonialism.
If you really sincerely want good things for the Palestinians, you will want a Palestinian state, with property organized by the Palestinian people.
A similar issue is being resolved in Africa. Several countries like SA and the Sahel states are changing their conception of land rights from Western colonialism (those of exploitation) to African models which are more socialistic, socialism is anathema to the Western “ideal”.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 0:56 utc | 117
Many advocates of Pal rights also see the maintenance of registry records etc. as central to guaranteeing Palestinians’ right of return.
I am surprised that anyone here would even bother to argue about this.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 14 2025 23:48 utc | 112
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White guilt and do-gooder bleeding-heart Western liberal ideals cause all sorts of unintended harm.
You folks confuse being an advocate with knowing what is best for a people to which YOU DO NOT BELONG. Like lecturing other people’s children on how to behave.
It’s well-intentioned but perverse. It’s rooted in a supremacist mindset.
It is also the soft bigotry of low expectations, that the Palestinians need Western atheists to settle their cultural issues as though those ancient people’s cannot figure it out for themselves.
Give the Palestinians sovereignty and they will figure it out, they have survived countless Empires and Crusades. Zionism is dangerous but it too cannot win, no more than when the Romans conquered Jerusalem and banned Jews from being able to return was to be the final chapter in the region.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 1:08 utc | 118
Not the world just a Shitty little corner of it called Europe.
Who shat on Europe by blowing up Nordstream?
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 15 2025 1:42 utc | 119
Donbass:
“You folks confuse being an advocate with knowing what is best for a people to which YOU DO NOT BELONG. Like lecturing other people’s children on how to behave.”
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Your hysterical gender-oriented attacks are really weird.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 15 2025 2:18 utc | 120
There is an excellent article at ConsortiumNews on the events that were the runup to UN passage of Resolution 181.
https://consortiumnews.com/2025/02/14/the-catastrophic-resolution/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=990c4b12-a35e-41fd-b9ac-26d6117c79e6
The last 2 grafs:
Forced deportation is a war crime and a crime against humanity prohibited by the Geneva Convention and the Nuremberg Tribunal; denying Palestinians the right to return to their land is in violation of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights; seizure of Palestinian territory is land theft pure and simple.
Needless to say, Israel has violated all these laws from the time of the Nakba, but Palestinians, who have sacrificed everything and suffered immeasurably, have made one thing clear: as they’ve made the long march back to north Gaza devastated by the Israeli war machine and U.S. bombs, they continue to resist any attempt to grab their land and appear determined to never surrender their inalienable right to self-determination.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 15 2025 2:43 utc | 121
The Emiratis are total scumbags.
🇦🇪🇺🇸🇮🇱The UAE ambassador to the US supports Trump’s plan to expel Gaza residents, calling it “difficult” but “sees no alternative” to the plan so far.
In 2024, the UAE also tried to bribe South Africa with “investments” in order to drop it’s genocide case against Israel
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 4:26 utc | 122
This is Alexander Troufanov, a Russian hostage of the Gaza resistance.
https://x.com/warfareanalysis/status/1890522920448847957
He looks like he is on a solo vacation.
His family members were already released. Suggests that Russia has been very involved in the hostage exchanges.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 4:34 utc | 123
Yes of course the world should go to war against “Israel”. Of course it bloody well should!
It legally signed up for that by signing up to the convention against genocide!
They are all meant to intervene by any means!
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AnObserver ( Feb 14 2025 21:55 utc | 106 ):
· China and Russia (and others) should at an absolute minimum loudly proclaim that they too view the genocide as a clear genocide.
· China and Russia (and others) should at an absolute minimum loudly proclaim they are joining and supporting the diplomatic efforts against the genocide started by the Republic of South Africa and any efforts that has come out of Ireland, Spain, Norway, and anyone else to support Palestine and Palestinians.
But yes they and everyone else should also do much more!
Look at what was done to defeat apartheid in South Africa for clues.
Look at what was done with “right to protect” by the US and Russia over the last four decades.
They should stop their economic support and entanglement with “Israel”, and everyone else should too.
There should be no energy and petroleum product going into “Israel” in order to strangle their bombing. Not from Russia, not from Brazil, not from Turkey, not from the US, and not from anywhere else.
Obvious!
There should be harsh opposition to US arming of “Israel” including interdiction and closing of airspace.
And frankly yes there should be bombing raids obliterating the “Israeli” air force and artillery depots.
All of it should have happened over a year ago.
Anything less is outright pathetic.
Especially by countries that like to talk big on every fucking other issue.
Oppose the US and “Israel”! Don’t just stand there like ignorant dorks like they’ve done.
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Giyane get yourself some god damned reading comprehension. I am a European living in Europe and my criticism of the world at large does not take away anything at all from criticizing the US nor “Israel”.
It is the opposite because I am am criticizing the world for letting the US and “Israel” walk all over them without doing anything real.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Feb 15 2025 5:18 utc | 124
Sunny Runny Burger 124
What you want Russia and China to do is the equivalent to the Judge hearing the case taking off their wig and robes and fighting the criminal on the Court Room floor.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 15 2025 5:47 utc | 125
things are heating up in Lebanon
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/more-iran-beirut-flights-suspended-as-resumption-permits-not
More Iran-Beirut flights suspended as resumption permits not issued
Lebanon has yet to issue resumption permits for incoming flights from Iran, amid the suspension following Israeli threats.
….Commenting on the matter, MP Ibrahim al-Mousawi pointed out that “the Israeli enemy’s persistent violations of Lebanese sovereignty, coupled with the complicity of the international community—particularly the United States—have emboldened it to expand and diversify its aggressions.”….
Middle East Spectator – MES
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/15620
🇮🇷🇱🇧🇺🇳🔥 BREAKING: Massive protests against Lebanon’s ban on Iranian planes landing continue to block the entrance to Beirut’s International Airport!
Reports of at least three UNIFIL vehicles being attacked and one being burned down by the Lebanese protesters.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2025/02/14/742789/Iran-Lebanon-Israel-threat-civilian-flights-international-law-sovereignty
Iran condemns Israel threat against Iranian passenger plane, urges Beirut to remove obstacles
…..A large number of people have taken to the streets around Beirut’s International Airport on Thursday night, blocking the entrance to the airport and the international road leading to it and setting tires alight while chanting anti-US and anti-Israeli slogans.
Tensions rose during clashes with Lebanese military personnel who attempted to clear the route…..
https://x.com/Saraa_Hajj/status/1890489145513886109
SaraHaj 🇱🇧 ރ @Saraa_Hajj
The four UN personnel in the vehicle, which included a high-ranking officer (apparently deputy head of @UNIFIL), were beaten up by the protesters.
Lebanese protestors at Beirut Airport Road stopped a @UNIFIL_ vehicle and set it on fire
It should be noted that yesterday Hezbollah called on ppl to practice self-restraint; however, they’re too angry to abide by the demand .. + the one who used to calm them isn’t here anymore.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 15 2025 6:36 utc | 126
LoveDonbass
‘ White guilt and do-gooder bleeding-heart Western liberal ideals cause all sorts of unintended harm.
You folks confuse being an advocate with knowing what is best for a people to which YOU DO NOT BELONG. Like lecturing other people’s children on how to behave.
It’s well-intentioned but perverse. It’s rooted in a supremacist mindset.’
This kind of language is insulting.
The basic tenets of the Islam we have inherited are way different from the teachings of the Qur’an.
What we have inherited is the product of generations of Muslims trying , like UAE and HTS now, to take benefit from the predator Crusaders and trying to blame the predator Crusaders for everything, when in reality it is impossible for the predatory Crusaders to steal anything without ‘ Muslims ‘ like UAE and HTS doing their work for them.
We are forbidden explicitly to make political alliances with Jews and Christians who are exclusively interested in their own mutual welfare.
At the heart of these disagreements on MoA about Russia sitting on its hands is the Christian teaching to Not Judge Others while Islam teaches Muslims to Actively Judge Others by a Clear Criterion.
Nobody can call themselves a valid Muslim Judge who is also on the payroll, like UAE and HTS, of the enemies of Islam. All of the problems of colonisation stem from Muslims betraying their own countries and people to the Scavengers for personal gain.
Our personal mistake, repeated through history and nobody ever learns from the past the lesson NOT to take the bribes of Worldly Power from the Crusader dogs as UAE and HTS have both in their different ways done.
As to correcting other people’s children, there are etiquettes for everything.
What I see in all the families I visit is young children watching the Chinese Squid Game, and parents saying nothing in spite of murders taking place repeatedly in front of them.
I can’t say nothing. We spent our childhoods making guns out of Japanese Knotweed and Mousetraps out of wire and elastic bands. What is this generation going to become that doesn’t know the tensile strength of anything, but knows the excuse for killing everything?
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 15 2025 6:38 utc | 127
‘Alhamdulillah’ — Russian-Israeli hostage Trufanov ALL SMILES, ‘praises Allah’ at moment he receives ‘Release Order’ from Hamas
Video – https://x.com/RT_com/status/1890651339807469980
Alhamdulillah = Praise be to God
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 6:52 utc | 128
This kind of language is insulting.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 15 2025 6:38 utc | 126
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It wasn’t directed at you. Taking offense to random comments out-of-context is a “you” problem.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 7:00 utc | 129
things are heating up in Lebanon
Al Mayadeen in english news/politics/more-iran-beirut-flights-suspended-as-resumption-permits-not
More Iran-Beirut flights suspended as resumption permits not issued
Lebanon has yet to issue resumption permits for incoming flights from Iran, amid the suspension following Israeli threats.
….Commenting on the matter, MP Ibrahim al-Mousawi pointed out that “the Israeli enemy’s persistent violations of Lebanese sovereignty, coupled with the complicity of the international community—particularly the United States—have emboldened it to expand and diversify its aggressions.”….
Middle East Spectator – MES
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/15620
🇮🇷🇱🇧🇺🇳🔥 BREAKING: Massive protests against Lebanon’s ban on Iranian planes landing continue to block the entrance to Beirut’s International Airport!
Reports of at least three UNIFIL vehicles being attacked and one being burned down by the Lebanese protesters.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2025/02/14/742789/Iran-Lebanon-Israel-threat-civilian-flights-international-law-sovereignty
Iran condemns Israel threat against Iranian passenger plane, urges Beirut to remove obstacles
…..A large number of people have taken to the streets around Beirut’s International Airport on Thursday night, blocking the entrance to the airport and the international road leading to it and setting tires alight while chanting anti-US and anti-Israeli slogans.
Tensions rose during clashes with Lebanese military personnel who attempted to clear the route…..
https://x.com/Saraa_Hajj/status/1890489145513886109
SaraHaj 🇱🇧 ރ @Saraa_Hajj
The four UN personnel in the vehicle, which included a high-ranking officer (apparently deputy head of @UNIFIL), were beaten up by the protesters.
Lebanese protestors at Beirut Airport Road stopped a @UNIFIL_ vehicle and set it on fire
It should be noted that yesterday Hezbollah called on ppl to practice self-restraint; however, they’re too angry to abide by the demand .. + the one who used to calm them isn’t here anymore.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 15 2025 7:25 utc | 130
Posted by: Jane | Feb 14 2025 23:29 utc | 111
Posted by: Jane | Feb 14 2025 23:48 utc | 112
Good information, thanks. Generally unknown in the US, at least I have never heard anyone mention this aspect.
Posted by: jopalolive | Feb 15 2025 10:09 utc | 131
Posted by: Jane | Feb 14 2025 23:48 utc | 112
Thank you for your reaction to my comment about private ownership of land, statehood and the predicament of the Palestinians.
Dear Jane, Americans are on average ignorant about the world. I encountered that when I lived there many years ago, and have encountered it every time I have been there since. That is a constant. Of course they should know about Palestine and the Palestinians, they should know everything about the inexcusable wrong done to the Palestinian people, and the US role in it. Everyone should know.
In fairness, most people around the globe didn’t know either because the Palestine issue was very rarely mentioned, and only from a pro-Israel angle.
Al Aqsa Flood changed that. There is no excuse anymore for anyone – not to know.
Posted by: JB | Feb 15 2025 10:22 utc | 132
as though those ancient people’s cannot figure it out for themselves.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 1:08 utc | 118
LoveDonbass, it is not that the Palestinians cannot figure it out, it is more that they need all the help they can get.
And if Jane provides a familiar framework for Americans to further understand the plight of the Palestinians, and thereby empathize and support their cause, that is a plus. The Nozi Zion propaganda in the US is non stop.
Posted by: jopalolive | Feb 15 2025 10:29 utc | 133
The Catholic church covering its back – what it says in private might be a wee bit different.
“A top Vatican official has rejected US President Donald Trump’s displacement plan, saying “the Palestinian population must remain on its land.”
“This is one of the fundamental points of the Holy See: no deportations,” Secretary of State Pietro Parolin said on Thursday on the sidelines of an Italy-Vatican meeting.
He added that moving Palestinians out would cause regional tensions and “makes no sense” as neighboring countries such as Jordan are opposed.
“The solution in our opinion is that of two states because this also means giving hope to the population,” he said.”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 15 2025 11:52 utc | 134
Still the genocide goes on and on – with the Zio-Nazi’s constantly breaking the ceasefire.
“In a major breakthrough in the fight for justice for Palestinian people, the Brussels Parliament has passed a resolution to formally recognize the acts committed by the Israeli military in Gaza as genocide and call for sanctions against the occupying regime.
The March 30 Movement, which has long advocated for the Palestinian cause, stated that the historic step was adopted on February 3.”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Feb 15 2025 11:54 utc | 135
LoveDonnbass wins his 3rd ,”The Most Retarded Post I Have Read Today Award” for this inrtllectual rubbish arguing with Jane:
“Many advocates of Pal rights also see the maintenance of registry records etc. as central to guaranteeing Palestinians’ right of return.
I am surprised that anyone here would even bother to argue about this.”
Posted by: Jane | Feb 14 2025 23:48 utc | 112
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“White guilt and do-gooder bleeding-heart Western liberal ideals cause all sorts of unintended harm.
You folks confuse being an advocate with knowing what is best for a people to which YOU DO NOT BELONG. Like lecturing other people’s children on how to behave.
It’s well-intentioned but perverse. It’s rooted in a supremacist mindset.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 1:08 utc | 118
“You folks”-who in the fuck are you to pontificate? The real pervasion is your looney tunes argument against Jane’s common sense idea.
Jane is absolutely right about Pals needing land registries-I can’t believe you would be against this pragmatic tool for the Palestinians; perhaps, your TDS has overcome your rationality.
Donbass:
“You folks confuse being an advocate with knowing what is best for a people to which YOU DO NOT BELONG. Like lecturing other people’s children on how to behave.”
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“Your hysterical gender-oriented attacks are really weird.”
Posted by: Jane | Feb 15 2025 2:18 utc | 120
Yes, the poor soul has been overwhelmed by his monstrous TDS such that he intellectually flails out spasmodically, erratically in his preachy, ‘weird’ style but his sermon is without wit, charm or sense..
It’s not the world, just a shitty little corner of it called Europe. Even JD Vance, US vice president, is scolding Europe for cancelling elections in Romania and elsewhere and shutting down free speech in Europe, an internal threat according to Vance “bigger than Russia and China”.
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Feb 15 2025 0:54 utc | 115
Eh ?
And America ?
Vance wanted American students jailed and was very happy to send the brown shirts in when the students protested peacefully against the genocide.
Vance cherry picked right wing agendas. Any other agenda across the political spectrum well that is a different story.
Black lives matter, just stop oil, etc etc he is not very keen on free speech then.
It is as clear as day the world is becoming more authoritarian thinking America gets a free pass is absurd.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 15 2025 12:58 utc | 138
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Feb 15 2025 0:54 utc | 115
Who is going to be first to slip up and call the newly named gulf of America the gulf of Mexico?
An easy thing to do. Will the brown shirts regulate them to the bench and reach them the proper scripture ?
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Feb 15 2025 13:02 utc | 139
RE: Land Title ?
A modest fellow has developed a vast archive of Arab landholdings in Palestine, along with beaucoup documentation regarding ethnic cleansing and worse by the genociders over nearly 100 years. worth examineing;
https://www.plands.org/en/home
Posted by: Exile | Feb 15 2025 13:22 utc | 140
It should be noted that yesterday Hezbollah called on ppl to practice self-restraint; however, they’re too angry to abide by the demand .. + the one who used to calm them isn’t here anymore.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 15 2025 7:25 utc | 130
And we predicted these consequences on this very site months ago.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 15 2025 13:46 utc | 141
Zionist Jews are going around trying to frame everyone for anti-semitism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm4DZWMW9d4
“The Daily Telegraph is tonight under fire after an ugly blow up at a Newtown cafe after allegations that the newspaper was running an undercover operation to see what it’s like being Jewish in Sydney”
I’ve been noticing the same kind of stunt being pulled in Thailand and other Asian countries recently.
Of course, this will only work on whites. The rest of us weren’t involved in that Hollow Cast nonsense and couldn’t give a shit about a few million toasted yids.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 15 2025 13:58 utc | 142
Unapologetic: Mustafa Barghouti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oo0kaFnbdw
“Palestinians would defiantly die here and not leave.”
Dr Mustafa Barghouti interview.
Posted by: John Gilberts | Feb 15 2025 14:01 utc | 143
LoveDonbass 129
The religions are different and this leads to cultural differences.
In Christianity one isn’t allowed to judge others, and it follows from that that one isn’t allowed to poke one’s nose into their lives , spy on them or force one’s opinions onto others.
In Islam , I have been continuously spied on, told not to read the Qur’an, and been generally disrespected , to the extent that I can longer get employment because of the racist prejudice against me at work, all of which is documented on the jobs and medical system.
Every Muslim thinks his faith entitles him to take a swipe at other people who criticise them for bad driving, mistakes at work. Things which in Christianity are dismissed as normal human behaviour are picked on by Muslims and never allowed to be forgotten.
The colonisers can only colonise a country with the help of the locals, like the PA member who works for Israel in Serbia making weapons for Israel.
And yet the Muslims all scramble to such up to the right wing politicians who follow Nazi policies against Palestine.
Muslims are obsessively self-intersted and consider it a virtue to climb up the greasy pole of non-Muslim power structures. Jane , daughter of a German Jew, spends her spare time demonstrating against the USUKIS genocide in Palestine and region.
Your comment that this is white guilt, basically means that instead of you understanding that it is the bad apples in Islam that hurt the Muslims, the monsters of Daesh, the monsters of Muslim Dictators who tortured people for USUKIS, you want to blame the good apples in what is left of Christianity and Judaism.
Your kind of Islam doesn’t teach introspection. It teaches that everybody who says the kalimah is better than those who don’t know it. But Islam teaches that the non-Muslim who has not yet had the opportunity to study Islam might turn out to be a better Muslim than you.
Blame the Muslims who helped the enemies of Islam, like HTS killing Alawites for Greater Israel after giving them security Amahah papers. Don’t blame the people who strongly object to US murder of innocent Muslim civilians like Jane. Blame the Daesh who handed Kurdish oil to USUKIS without a meter.
MbS said he felt ‘ pain ‘ about the USUKIS genocide in Palestine, but he only objected publicly to Palestinians arriving in his country. Where were the billlions he spent on the mercenaries of Islamic State to get control of Damascus when Palestine’s Resistance needed his assistance?
Jane understands that no more genocide means no more genocide for anyone.
MbS understands that helping Palestine doesn’t achieve his own personal goals.
They murdered Kashoggi for raising the alarm about Saudi Tyranny funding Al Qaida in Syria and fighting Yemen.
The hypocrisy of funding US banking which creates the MOABS while ignoring Palestine stinks to high heaven.
White guilt. Yes , the Muslims never feel guilt about their Qiyanat/ betrayal of their own people, if their pockets are nicely lined.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 15 2025 14:56 utc | 144
supporting israeli war crimes, by omission
https://x.com/AssalRad/status/1889807043089014991
Assal Rad @AssalRad
Yesterday, Doctors Without Borders reported that Israel deliberately destroyed hospital machines in Gaza, yet another Israeli war crime.
The only story on it I can find is this, which (surprise, surprise) fails to mention ISRAEL in the headline.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/feb/11/middle-east-crisis-live-blog-donald-trump-gaza-ceasefire-hostages?filterKeyEvents=false
Aid worker says medical machines appear to have been ‘deliberately destroyed’ in Gaza hospital – as it happened
Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 15 2025 15:15 utc | 145
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The arrobance of the Muslims is off the scale. I haven’t done one day of paid worl for four years when a Muslim customer undid an Electric socket I had
installed and replaced it with a hot water cylinder, compromising its safety.
He thought his wealth cancelled my safety standards and professional integrity.
The Muslim man who found me my wife of 19 years, has always considered that his right to check on my marriage overrides my Islamic right to privacy in my own home.
Muslim arrogance. and disrespect for safety and privacy is off the scale.
The Gulf Arabs care nothing about Palestinians. To them the Palestinians owe them no Islamic allegiance so they won’t lift a finger for them.
The Muslim elites care absolutely nothing about the people they govern.
The Palestinians chose Hamas because Abbas never stopped selling them out to USUKIS. Personal wealth and power and social and clan status is a kind of incurable disease of the Muslims.
Nobody can do business with them.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 15 2025 15:26 utc | 146
https://x.com/PeruginiNic/status/1889801970233549276
Nicola Perugini @PeruginiNic
Doctors Without Borders just had access to the Indonesian Hospital in northern Gaza after the ceasefire, and this is the testimony of the emergency coordinator about Israel’s techniques of genocide: deliberate destruction of life saving machines to completely depopulate the area:
https://x.com/ecomarxi/status/1890747973526499655
Tiberius @ecomarxi
That’s not to say antisemitism doesn’t exist — I see it frequently enough on here. But to go on like it’s some massive scourge while Palestinians are persecuted to the degree they are is frankly insulting to our intelligence and our humanity.
https://x.com/cmdibley/status/1890546555058356248
cmdibley @cmdibley
Now when I read or hear about an anti-Semitic incident in Australia, I assume it’s a Zionist false flag act and disregard it. So far, that’s been the reality. Now I don’t care. Too many cries of ‘Anti-Semitic Wolf.’ Great work, Zionists.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 15 2025 15:31 utc | 147
Good information, thanks. Generally unknown in the US, at least I have never heard anyone mention this aspect.
Posted by: jopalolive | Feb 15 2025 10:09 utc | 131
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You don’t hear people mention it because most Westerners benefit from colonialism and cannot see that they too are enslaved.
Jane means well, but her ideas are sponsored by Zionist thinking.
It’s like the Trumpers who really believe that “saving” America is saving “the world”.
It is hard to accuse people of malice when they are profoundly ignorant.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 16:22 utc | 148
A recent piece by Jonathan Cooke describes how a forced population dispersal out of Gaza has been Israel and US policy since 2007. Each “mowing the lawn” exercise since then has been coupled with strong diplomatic pressure, particularly on Egypt, to facilitate this policy and assist moving all Gazans into the Sinai. After events of past year, and particularly Trump’s public admission of this policy, It is hard to avoid the sense that a culmination of its success or failure is approaching at speed.
Posted by: jayc | Feb 15 2025 17:19 utc | 149
LoveDonbass 148
Of course, while all the white people benefited massively from the enslaement of Africa and India etc, it would be inconvenient if the Indian and African people living now in this Age of Colonial Revivalism, Empire2, Messianic Armaggeddon, were accidentally to benefit from the modern Imperialism.
It is hard to accuse people of malice when they are profoundly ignorant, don’t you think?
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 15 2025 17:41 utc | 150
Jane
What’s odd is the Palestinian Authority doesn’t really support registering land claims because they want Palestinians to give up.
Posted by: Nodag | Feb 15 2025 20:02 utc | 151
Posted by: Nodag | Feb 15 2025 20:02 utc | 151
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How are land claims organized in other tribal Arab communities?
Not the ones that are Western proxies like KJA and UAE, but in Yemen, Libya, Sudan, and Oman?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 20:15 utc | 152
I find the whole land claims issue stupid and vacuous because we’re talking about the oldest continuous societies on the planet.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 20:18 utc | 153
A day or so ago, Trump said if Hamas didn’t release ALL Israeli hostages at noon, he would back Israel if it decided to start bombing Gaza again. Israel then announced it would accept the 3 scheduled to be released and stick to the original agreement.
So then at noon ME time today, Trump repeated that since Hamas (I think that the 3 Israelis were actually held by al Quds) didn’t release all the hostages today, he wouldn’t be bothered if Israel restarted the bombing. This is Trump breaking the agreement he supposedly engineered.
He’s just purposefully egging the shit on.
Anyway, 3 Israeli hostages released in good condition, healthy. Of the Palestinians released today, however, 4 were immediately taken to the hospital in critical condition.
In case nobody in the West gets the picture, the Palestinians are held in prisons that are not under constant bombardment, in a “country” that has electricity, running water, food, and medical care available. The Palestinians are in bad shape because that is how Israel wants it. Oh, and the Palestinians released today all had Israeli slogans and the star of david written on their shirts by the prison guards.
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Four Palestinians released as part of a ceasefire deal are in critical condition and have been hospitalised in the occupied West Bank city of Ramallah, according to the Palestinian Red Crescent.
Israel released 369 Palestinians on Saturday in exchange for three captives in Gaza.
While the Israeli captives have generally appeared in good condition throughout the ceasefire exchange since last month, many Palestinians appeared to have lost an enormous amount of weight while in custody and some were seen struggling to walk due to their poor physical condition and physical torture.
Some have described the horrors they faced while in Israeli jails, where most of them were imprisoned without any charges.
The Palestinian Prisoners’ Media Office said that the condition in which the prisoners were released shows the “extent of the crimes and violations inside the prisons”.
One released Palestinian, Amir Abu Radah, told Al Jazeera that he spent 18 months in Israel’s Nafha desert prison, where authorities cut water and electricity.
“Our condition in prison was extremely difficult, and no one could bear it. For a year and a half, we have not had any means of communication, and we were isolated from the world,” he said.
Hazem Rajab, another Palestinian freed in the latest exchange, told Al Jazeera of the inhumane treatment he suffered since his arrest by Israeli forces in December 2023, two months after the war began.
“The Israelis told us ‘Welcome to hell’. It really was hell,” Rajab recalled. “From the first day, we were beaten up badly. The beatings were brutal, tough and unbearable.”
According to Al Jazeera’s Nour Odeh, Palestinians spoke of beatings and mistreatment, even in the last hours before their release.
“Palestinians released from Israeli captivity are in very bad shape. They speak of malnutrition, of going hungry for the past 15 months, of being deprived of even hygiene products, only being allowed to shower every 10 days,” Odeh said.
“Their health is clearly ailing because of those months of mistreatment.”
While Abu Radah and Rajab were arrested more recently, Mohammed el-Halabi, the former head of World Vision in Gaza, was imprisoned for almost nine years before being released on Saturday.
“My case was a high-profile case, and I was convicted with no evidence. They wanted to use me to undermine international assistance to Gaza,” el-Halabi, who was accused by Israel of supporting Hamas, told Al Jazeera.
El-Halabi, physically weakened and losing much weight while incarcerated, said he was subjected to physical and psychological torture, which worsened after the start of the war on Gaza.
“Starvation happened every day, and we only had a low-quality meal once a day. I was 95kg [209 pounds] when I went to prison. Now I weigh 45kg [100 pounds].”
Since the start of the ceasefire last month, 24 captives from Gaza and 985 Palestinian detainees have been released, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), which has helped facilitate the exchange.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/15/it-was-hell-released-palestinian-prisoners-in-poor-health-conditions
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This is Palestinian engineer Iyad Abed from Gaza, kidnapped during the Israeli genocide, shown before and after being freed as part of the fifth batch of the prisoner exchange deal between the resistance and Israel.
https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1890693009617944600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1890693009617944600%7Ctwgr%5Ec51bcf14c2f2eb665c23e32be7568d2f1ec3b053%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aljazeera.com%2Fnews%2F2025%2F2%2F15%2Fit-was-hell-released-palestinian-prisoners-in-poor-health-conditions
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A freed Palestinian detainee, who was released today as part of the exchange deal, speaks about the immense suffering of Palestinians in Israeli captivity.
https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1890787719887896732?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1890787719887896732%7Ctwgr%5Ec51bcf14c2f2eb665c23e32be7568d2f1ec3b053%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aljazeera.com%2Fnews%2F2025%2F2%2F15%2Fit-was-hell-released-palestinian-prisoners-in-poor-health-conditions
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Freed Palestinian detainees have informed Al Jazeera Arabic that Israeli occupation forces issued explicit threats to all prisoners released on Saturday.
They were warned against expressing gratitude towards Gaza or the resistance, or speaking out about the torture they endured during their imprisonment in Israeli jails.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/freed-prisoners-reveal-threats-israeli-authorities?nid=417957&topic=Israel%2527s%2520war%2520on%2520Gaza&fid=542426
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Posted by: teri | Feb 15 2025 20:22 utc | 154
Not the ones that are Western proxies like KJA and UAE, but in Yemen, Libya, Sudan, and Oman?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 20:24 utc | 155
Posted by: teri | Feb 15 2025 20:22 utc | 154
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A crack in the wall of American support for Bibi.
We need to see more but this is very promising.
Trump always opens heavy and then moves to a more moderate position once he has everyone’s attention.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 20:26 utc | 156
@153 LD
Philosophically it is an essential theme that reflects on the evolution of related conflict.
For example you said
“Give the Palestinians sovereignty…”
I think you mean “Leave the Palestinians sovereignty…”
as the first is more external dependent. However, even to leave (say an existing) Palestinian sovereignty depends on recognition, which is also an external facet.
You might say external views belong outside the border and so are of no consequence. If the external view is of changing the border though, or just the importance of respecting it, it matters and must be part of the understanding of an own nation also.
Else, why have a border if there is no exterior ?
The fact that others take or contest territory can be dealt with directly in confrontation with them. The argument if unresolved might turn to conflict.
In the existing example “the others” greatly outmatch “the locals” in force of arms, and only the tenacity/skill/courage of the locals has ensured they still remain, to whatever degree.
As these ‘others’ are funded and supported by different countries, as they work on the international stage which has precedent in understanding whether claims are justified or whether they are not, then to present to those the history of ownership, to explain the natural extension of that ownership, would seem very logical.
Humiliating to have to, yes.
Isolated however, the local population would simply be disregarded, then erased, and then forgotten.
That is reality.
You might have faith and ideals of whatever kind, and I am not one to argue with or disturb those. There are people who are on the outside however that also think that respect of local population is very important, and not just for Palestinians. That respect of demographic or territory or culture is important also.
So where they find dignified procedure and recognition is being trampled, they will protest that in their own setting. Just as they will protest atrocity committed to others who are not of their own nation, for being unacceptable.
It does not even mean that that approach will add up to much, but at least it will have held a torch up to events, so that those who flaunt these common understandings are known.
I can understand the wariness, as people often set up their own claims via involvement. So to set your own delimitations to the picture is reasonable.
It would allow you to say:
“It was the least that could be done. I hope not to have to defend your own sanctities, and I hope it all served good to you also. Goodbye.”
That leaves a position something like you once stated earlier “Return the Palestinians their borders/sovereignty, and they will take care of themselves”.
Documentation of ownership, delineations, are part of what is required to do that in a setting outside of Palestine control, though.
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 15 2025 21:07 utc | 157
A crack in the wall of American support for Bibi.
We need to see more but this is very promising.
Trump always opens heavy and then moves to a more moderate position once he has everyone’s attention.
@ Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 20:26 utc | 156
I don’t understand what you mean. On Monday (?) Hamas said they would not release the 3 scheduled for today because Israel was not fulfilling its obligations for aid, etc in phase one of the cease-fire. Israel then started doing some of the things they were supposed to do, so Hamas said they would follow the schedule as well. I.e., both Israel and Hamas were in agreement to do the prisoner swap as written.
All on his own, Trump announced that Hamas had to release all the hostages today or Israel could bomb the crap out of Gaza and he’d back them up. Israel did not make much of a response to Trump, except for a few ministers who thought is was a cool idea to burn the cease-fire, nor did Israel demand that Hamas had to release all the hostages at once.
So the prisoners on both sides, in the numbers as previously agreed to, were released today.
Trump then issued his threat again TODAY, after the release, saying that he would back Israel if they wanted to bomb again since Hamas did not release ALL the Israeli prisoners. Israel did not say this, the IDF did not say this; this is Trump urging Israel to resume bombing because he (Trump) made up some arbitrary demand out of wholecloth, in contradiction to the agreement, that Israel wasn’t even interested in. He’s the one trying to break his own ceasefire.
How does that show a crack in the wall? Trump is being more belligerant and dishonest than Israel, for god’s sake, and that’s not easy. Trump started this bullshit about “all the hostages” and won’t let it go. Israel actually began to obey the cease-fire after Hamas made their demand and said not one word about adding additional conditions.
Anyway, I must be missing your point. Not looking to start an argument, just not sure you understand the sequence of events here.
Posted by: teri | Feb 15 2025 21:12 utc | 158
https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1890795789766602938
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
US-funded Lebanese army is the same as the US-funded Palestinian Authority security forces.
They’re only good at doing Israel’s job
https://x.com/VintageVault8/status/1890779626617659460
➳❥ @VintageVault8
Children and adults are suffocating in Beirut because the Lebanese army threw gas bombs at them.
https://x.com/caitoz/status/1890547808295612754
Caitlin Johnstone @caitoz
The Murdoch-owned Daily Telegraph was caught trying to orchestrate what can only be described as a mass media psyop to inflame public hysteria about antisemitism in Australia. In a project internally titled “UNDERCOVERJEW” supposedly designed to show “what it’s like being Jewish in Sydney”, a man wearing a Star of David hat and video glasses went around targeting Muslim and Arab businesses trying to instigate hostility from staff members trailed by a video producer and a Telegraph reporter.
The man, who is reportedly associated with the Australian Jewish Association, entered an Egyptian cafe called Cairo Takeaway and postured with his Star of David hat without getting any reaction from anyone. He then started making comments to cafe staff, who caught on to what he was doing and started recording him. Police were then called and it caused a big scandal.
It’s obvious that the intention here was to instigate something that could be framed as an “antisemitic incident” and provoke a national outcry and draw all the usual fiery denunciations from Australian officials, followed by arguments citing the incident as evidence that Australia needs even more aggressive speech legislation to stomp out all criticism of the genocidal apartheid state of Israel.
The Daily Telegraph is owned by News Corp, the Murdoch media conglomerate which dominates the Australian press. Rupert Murdoch became the media giant he is with the help of his ties with the Reagan administration and US government agencies. Also noteworthy is that Murdoch is a board member and significant shareholder with Genie Energy, which holds a contract to drill for oil and gas in the Golan Heights — territory illegally occupied by Israel.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Feb 15 2025 21:25 utc | 159
teri, Menz, Arch:
You three are by far the most worthwhile commenters on Palestine-related matters.
Just thought I’d say that.
Posted by: malenkov | Feb 15 2025 21:45 utc | 160
Posted by: teri | Feb 15 2025 21:12 utc | 158
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People keep taking Trump’s words literally when they should not.
When he talks about unleashing hell, he’s making a threat. We saw that today. He didn’t follow through on the threat.
Remember in his first term when he was going to nuke “THE ROCKETMAN” (Chairman Kim) and then had a lovely visit to North Korea with both leaders walking together to South Korea?
Trump loves to bring a lot of bombast in his openers.
Trump made a threat but didn’t follow through on it.
What does that tell us about Trump’s intentions?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 15 2025 22:44 utc | 161
@ teri
Trump is setting out a position of dominance of the circumstance. It could be managed, prepped by “Israel”, or it could be a sincere reaction.
Whichever, but it is based on the view that Hamas tried to dominate the agreement by denying the arranged release of prisoners (with Hamas reasoning for that being discarded).
In return Trump says “he would” say release all prisoners, otherwise. That has become his position regarding Hamas “threatening” not to release prisoners after agreeing to.
He has continued with that position as reaction to Hamas’ “threat” , meaning as far as he is concerned “Israel” is in a position to resume hostility.
This seems contradictory and not easily understandable, because Trump is not the negotiator that “Israel” is. However as US is some kind of guarantor to the agreement, it is “allowed” to give the opinion that Hamas has broken the spirit of the agreement, as well as (as independent) set a new position.
Show, or washing of hands, or last warning, or to make “Israel” appear more moderate, or encouragement for “Israel” to take a hard stance…we would be guessing I think.
I don’t take it as a weakening of position though.
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 15 2025 22:49 utc | 162
ZH has a posting up with the title
Saudi Arabia To Host Arab Summit To Discuss Trump’s Gaza ‘Takeover’ Plan
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Saudi Arabia has revealed it plans to host leaders of four Arab countries at a summit on February 20 to consider President Donald Trump’s US ‘takeover’ plan for the Gaza Strip, officials told AFP Friday.
“The leaders of Egypt, Jordan, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates will attend the summit, to take place ahead of an Arab League meeting in Cairo one week later on the same issue, the source said,” as also cited in Al Jazeera.
Palestinian Authority (PA) president Mahmud Abbas is also expected to attend, at a moment the fragile Gaza truce deal could collapse at any moment, particularly after some of Trump’s inflammatory statements on turning Gaza into the “Riviera of the Mediterranean” which would require removal of all Palestinians.
Proposals to be considered at the summit could involve a Gulf-led reconstruction fund, as well as a political deal for Hamas’ exit from power, according to several officials.
Trump has been pressuring Egypt and Joran in particular, threatening to cut off crucial foreign and defense aid if they don’t come on board his plan. He wants these neighboring states to absorb over 1.2 displaced Palestinians.
Yesterday in an extraordinarily surprising development, the United Arab Emirates (UAE) ambassador to Washington signaled the possibility of removing all Palestinians from Gaza, in accordance with Trump’s controversial Gaza plan.
UAE Ambassador to the US Yousef Al Otaiba in an interview called the plan “difficult but inevitable” and said he’s sees “no alternative” but Trump’s plan to expel Gaza’s population and undertake massive economic redevelopment of the Strip. He had been asked by a reporter whether the UAE is working on a separate plan, to which he responded no, there’s no other plan.
It was in September 2020 that the UAE announced the Trump-sponsored Abraham Accords for normalization with Israel. UAE has long been a close regional US-ally, but the ambassador’s words are still deeply surprising and might actually contradict the UAE’s current official stance.
Will the Arab states finally come together in support of Palestine?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 15 2025 23:32 utc | 163
Will the Arab states finally come together in support of Palestine?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Feb 15 2025 23:32 utc | 163
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Expect some pretty words before they collectively avert their gaze away from the coming US-Zio atrocities.
Posted by: malenkov | Feb 16 2025 2:44 utc | 164
Trump 100% opposes what Biden has allowed to happen, that US bombs have been used by Israel to genocide the Pakestinians and Lebanese. But by convention he is unable to prosecute Biden who carries full responsibility for the genocide.
Moving forward, his vision of a Riviera on ethnically cleansed Gaza and West Bank is blatantly , titally , illegal .
He proposed it only to get Revisionist Zionist Nazi Netanyahu to own it, proclaiming it publicly as his surrealistic , Nazi plan. Nutjob fell for it and declared it openly for
the first time as his intention.
Nutjob is BURNT TOAST. As are his accomplices in crime , all of them, Ben Gvir, Gallant, Smotrich etc. All destined for a US jail on a remote island.
There is no point whatsoever in again rebuilding Gaza so long as Zionist Nazism is alive.
There is no way on earth that the Israel Empire prophesied in Islam can ever be an empire built on Nazism, Genocide, Torture, banking interest and lies.
Not going to happen.
The US Nazi Neocons that started the War on Terror in 2001 with 9/11 must be rounded up and destroyed.
Trump is pissed off with the European Atlantacists for shamelessly poodling Biden’s aggression in Ukraine . Their punishment is to deal with the Nazis in Ukraine which they so spinelessly shilled for Uncle Sam. Eat your own vomit you idiots in British Intelligence and BoJo worshippers.
Trump is right that Israel cannot own Gaza. Zionust Nazism must be eradicated immediately and never be allowed to return. The quickest waybto achieve that is to lock up or kill all the Israelis who actively supported or incited the Genocide. Courts and systems already exist for that.
The two state plan must be implemented in such a way, by mutual Treaty with all the World Powers and all the Muslim countries guaranteeing it.
Pax Americana , like Pax Romana, will never tolerate another Resurgence of Talmudic Genocide.
Do it. Bismillah. Proceed.
Posted by: Giyane | Feb 16 2025 2:45 utc | 165
حسام شبات
@HossamShabat
From a reporter who has never left North Gaza: We’re staying put here. Despite all the rubble you see around me, this is still our land, and we are not leaving. This land is Palestinian land and belongs to Palestinians only.
https://x.com/HossamShabat/status/1889708244634931459
Abby Martin
@AbbyMartin
“We’re not subhuman. You have to talk to us. We decide our future, we decide who we want to be and what Gaza will be. We have the right to live.” Gaza-based journalist @AbubakerAbedW
responds to Trump’s ethnic cleansing threat
https://x.com/AbbyMartin/status/1889439675888312527
Posted by: Menz | Feb 16 2025 4:42 utc | 166
Abby Martin
@AbbyMartin
“We truly believe the Palestinian people’s oppression is our oppression. Until they are not oppressed, we ourselves are oppressed. The moment your humanity is destroyed, I become less human.” South Africa govt’s @Chrispin_JPhiri
on why they led the genocide case against Israel
https://x.com/AbbyMartin/status/1890545419526004813
Posted by: Menz | Feb 16 2025 4:43 utc | 167
Al-Mezan الميزان
@AlMezanCenter
🚨 Update on Dr. Abu Safiya
Our lawyer has been informed that the Commander of the Southern Command of the Israeli army has issued an order to detain Dr. Abu Safiya under the Unlawful Combatants Law.
This law enables prolonged detention without charges, stripping detainees of any meaningful judicial review or due process rights. Since October 2023, Israeli authorities have extensively used this legal framework to arbitrarily detain thousands of Palestinian residents of Gaza.
Under the current amendments, detainees must wait 45 days for the Be’er Sheva District Court to ratify the detention order. Once ratified, detention lasts six months, with the possibility of indefinite extensions.
We reiterate our call for the immediate and unconditional release of Dr. Abu Safiya, as well as all Palestinians who have been illegally arrested and arbitrarily detained by Israeli authorities, including medical workers.
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https://x.com/AlMezanCenter/status/1890415985749803022
Posted by: Menz | Feb 16 2025 4:44 utc | 168
Drop Site
@DropSiteNews
🚨Breaking News | Dr. Hossam Abu Safiya Reports Torture and Abuse in Israeli Custody
Dr. Hossam Abu Safiya, the director of Kamal Adwan Hospital in Gaza, has reported severe torture and abuse during his 47-day detention by Israeli forces. Earlier today, Al Mezan’s (Palestinian NGO) lawyer met with Dr. Safiya in Ofer Prison, where he has been held in solitary confinement for 25 days. Dr. Safiya detailed the abuse he had been subjected to—being forcibly stripped, shackled with his hands tightly bound, being made to sit on sharp gravel for five hours. He also endured beatings with batons, electric shock sticks, and repeated blows to the chest.
Dr. Safiya described nearly continuous interrogation for 10 days, which significantly worsened his health. He lost 12 kg and suffers from heart muscle enlargement. Despite repeated requests, Al Mezan reports that he was denied essential medical care.
For more details, you can read Al Mezan’s full statement at the link provided in the reply.
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1889538692823306355
Posted by: Menz | Feb 16 2025 4:45 utc | 169
Drop Site
@DropSiteNews
Israel Passes Law to Fire Palestinian Teachers Without Notice
Israel’s parliament has passed a law allowing the immediate dismissal of teachers who are deemed to have “identified with a terrorist act.”
➤ Palestinians fear the law could be used to dismiss teachers for expressing Palestinian identity, supporting Palestinian aspirations, or using national symbols.
➤ The law primarily targets Palestinian schools in occupied East Jerusalem and Palestinian-run schools inside Israel.
➤ The Ministry of Education is also empowered to defund schools accused of promoting these views.
Al Jazeera’s @nour_odeh
warned that the law applies a “broad definition” of terrorism to silence Palestinian educators and erase Palestinian identity from the curriculum.
https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1890224834849972237
Posted by: Menz | Feb 16 2025 4:46 utc | 170
Arab Islamic Book History
@bookhist
“Like a dream come true”
BREAKING: Reports emerging from Gaza confirm that the historic manuscripts of the Great Omari Mosque have been salvaged!
https://x.com/bookhist/status/1890771507816583255
Posted by: Menz | Feb 16 2025 5:14 utc | 171
Note the 3 Israeli Dual Nationals released by Al-Quds in Gaza on Saturday were all IDF soldiers.
Posted by: Exile | Feb 16 2025 14:04 utc | 172
@170 Menz
They fire the teachers but shoot the students. Nablus today:
https://t.me/youseffares19/67978
Posted by: Ornot | Feb 16 2025 15:33 utc | 173
Compton is in fact not far from Beverly Hills or wherever Jack Wolz’s mansion was supposed to be. Same LA area.
Posted by: Lysias | Feb 16 2025 18:32 utc | 174
The other day I was talking about the possibility of Egypt fighting Israel.
Someone replied that all of Egypt’s hardware is American, meaning they had compromised logistics.
Egypt receives J-10C with PL-15 air-to-air missile
The world is changing quickly and the Axis is driving those changes.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 16 2025 18:44 utc | 175
In recent years, a lot of blacks have moved out of Compton, and out of California in general. The population of Compton is now largely Hispanic.
Posted by: Lysias | Feb 16 2025 18:45 utc | 176
Posted by: Lysias | Feb 16 2025 18:45 utc | 176
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Good to know. I haven’t been to SoCal since the Rodney King riots.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Feb 16 2025 19:40 utc | 177
I guessed right. The estate that the makers of the Godfather movie had Jack Woltz (not Wolz) live in was indeed in Beverly Hills. The Beverly Estate.
Posted by: Lysias | Feb 17 2025 20:57 utc | 178
Harry Cohn, whom Jack Woltz was based on, lived in a different estate, also in Beverly Hills.
Posted by: Lysias | Feb 17 2025 21:06 utc | 179
BREAKING: Reports emerging from Gaza confirm that the historic manuscripts of the Great Omari Mosque have been salvaged!
https://x.com/bookhist/status/1890771507816583255
Posted by: Menz | Feb 16 2025 5:14 utc | 171
The tragedy of this statement is beyond words. The very fact that these manuscripts needed to be salvaged at all.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Feb 18 2025 9:59 utc | 180